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>>54718978
>Those nacelles within nacelles

But why?

First for Dukat did nothing wrong.

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>>54718978
I lack star trek reaction images adequate for this.

>>54718978
Hey, with all the stuff folded and stowed, it ALMOST doesn't look horrible!

>>54718978
>the Q-Borg alliance

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>>54718978

>>54719189
He got an awful lot of Cardassians killed just so Kira and Sisko would think he's a pretty cool dude.

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I've been pondering a DS9 era successor to the Cheyenne, given we didn't get a quad-nacelle design out of First Contact. I'm wondering, do you guys think that layout would work better (visually) with the more shoe-horn kind of shape the Norway/Intrepid has or keep it wider than long with something a bit more like the Sabre? I don't think the oblong dish Sovereign style would work, as that kinda needs a counterbalance secondary hull to the design.

>>54720524
That'd essentially be the Prometheus class minus the wierd gimmick, no? There's also a couple of designs in STO that might be what you're looking for. Specifically the Stargazer and Dakota classes.

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This thing as a starship. Thoughts?

>>54718978
This image pretty much sums up everything I have about science fiction fandoms. In that regard, it is a useful image.

>>54720878
I have no idea what that's supposed to be. It looks like a flying aircraft carrier, so it'd just be a massive carrier.

>>54720878
It's function or general shape? Because the latter would probably look like the generic triangle-model we see in TNG and DS9 (the packleds, Bajoran freighters, etc.).

Whereas functionally, none of the races operate dedicated carriers. Plenty of ships have the capacity for small fleets of shuttles/fighters but often as an ancillary to their primary combat focus.

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>>54720993
I was thinking the wing mounted engine pods looked like TOS warp nacelles.

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>>54720664
Prometheus without the gimmick isn't really anything. I have no knowledge of STO other than most stuff I've seen of it's designs are really ugly.

Basically I'm thinking something built tough, not necessarily over-armed for its size, but chunkier than the Cheyenne in terms of offence and defence (and just general build). With an actual deflector dish on it somewhere and a couple of shuttle bays. Still very much a light, fast cruiser built for long patrols and able to cruise at a high warp factor for days on end. Maybe about 8 decks tall, most stuff being in the middle 4.

>>54720878
>fast, ugly looking motherfucker with a flight deck right down the spine of the boat
Akira.

>>54721043
Why not a Nova with four nacelles and a Defiant-class's warp core?

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>>54721591
That's just too small.

>>54721043
Take an Akira class, make the saucer thicker, and replace the upper module with an extra pair of nacelles.

Remember the Constallation-class was supposed to have a fuck-ton of hangers circling the edge of the middle of the saucer. An update should retain this.

>>54719184
Variable Geometry Warp Field. Conventional warp field geometries are adequate for most interstellar travel, but maintaining the speeds necessary for transgalactic voyages requires the geometry of the ship's warp field by actively adapted to the local space time conditions while the ship is in motion.

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>>54721744
Not updating the Constellation though, and Akira already has a huge hangar plus is a big ship, am thinking smaller, about 2/3rds the size at most since Akira is a heavy cruiser.

>>54721972
The Cheyenne is just a kitbashed variant of the Constellation though.

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>>54722017
Except..no? Completely different type of ship. Something like 50 years later in design style, Different size, different engine placement. I mean it's a quad engine design with no significant secondary hull but that's about it.

Seriously where'd you even get that idea?

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>>54722215
The original Cheyenne model was just a kitbashed Constellation with a Galaxy hull.

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>>54722256
But it isn't. Not even slightly.
It's Enterprise D kits, some marker pens, and a bit of custom stuff.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/cheyenne.htm

>>54722215
I like this.
I keep looking at it and keep thinking that if they just took a Galaxy class, flattened it like the Sovereign class, and put a second set of nacelles dropping down from the first set, and sweep them forward a bit, we'd have something special lads.

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>OC Donut Steel Edition

Well if that's the thread theme.

The Saronic War Barge, a primitive warp capable starship barely able to reach speeds beyond Warp 2. Due to poor materials sciences the Saronic Empire has not yet mastered the creation of high output warp coils, nor have they developed the Nadion tech necessary for phasers. Because of this the War barge is armed with a multitude of laser and missile weaponry.

The core of their starships are built around a large fusion drive and Bussard collector. If necessary they are capable of interstellar flight at sublight speeds to return to their homeworlds. Given the sometimes unreliable nature of their warp drives this can be as a welcome fallback option.
To improve the odds of difficult to manufacture warp nacelles surviving battle they are retracted behind a set of armored doors in combat.

The most powerful weapons on the ship are 4 large laser cannons, which on some later models are replaced with particle beams. Though mounted in turrets their traverse speed is so slow most captains keep them locked on a forward bearing, bringing the bow of their ship to bear on enemies. Their ability to elevate is also quite restricted.

The USS Cygnus was able to make peaceful first contact with the Saronic Empire. Unfortunately the crew of a scout ship with their expedition later violated the prime directive causing the empire to declare war on the Federation. As a result the Cygnus was forced to fight its way out of Saronic space.

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>>54720524
This ugly bugger could fit the bill.

Why is Lasers and Feelings of all things still better than any official Trek game?

>>54721043
What's the mission profile of the Cheyenne?

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Fooling around with chopping up an Adamant-class and making it...uh, shootier? Dunno. Turrets from the Soyuz-class.

>>54726629
Not loving the squared off saucer, but otherwise alright.

>>54726374
Because it focuses on Theme, guiding the players in tell a certain kind of story, rather than Simulation.

>>54726374
Just a guess here, but by being free of the Trek brand, the devs could focus on making a fun game, rather than making something that conforms to canon and includes all the mandatory Trek elements.

So the same thing happening between the Orville and Discovery.

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>>54720878
>fast
>flight decks
>shit ton of missiles

>>54726849
>Orville
Seems to be done in more of Star Trek spirit just with comedy trickled into

>STD
Just from the trailers feels like the people behind this one don't get Star Trek at all and try to make a generic Science Fiction show. Will probably fail harder than Entrerise did.

>>54726561
Star Trek Online calls it a Heavy Cruiser. It is the direct step up from the Cruiser which is the Constitution-class refit.

>>54724681
So the nacelles are retractable?

Also, that's a good, interesting ship that isn't stupid or overpowered in any way. Kudos anon, kudos.

>>54727124
What are those eight circles on the struts supposed to be? Vertical launch bays?

>>54727972
Dunno, possibly the point defense photon torpedo mounts.

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>>54727972
Just engine related bits like the Defiant has. A few other STO ships have them too.

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>>54726360
That is quite a bit what i was thinking of but more ugly. I think I'll go with the less snout-y saucer.

>>54726561
From size and style on the show, it's a light cruiser, possibly exploratory or possibly just for long patrols. It's not got a huge armament, it's pretty small in terms of bulk despite its overall dimensions due to the narrow saucer section.

>>54727953
I remembered this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4JUxQe4P4g

Lasers aren't really considered a threat and it shows just how technologically advanced the federation is compared to most minor powers. That doesn't mean someone wont try the Imperial Guard solution to weak weaponry, but it will take a lot.

>>54726849
>>54727352
In their very limited defence, at least they're making a big point of staying away from Paramount's shooty shit.

>>54730355
Anon, that's like saying a vore fetish isn't as bad as scat.

>>54718978
Alright, seeing as we're having an OC Donut Steel thread, tell me about your original Aliens

>>54730739
The Paelan are a race that inhabit the Paelan system in the Alpha Quadrant and primarily live on the planet known as Rodama, the fourth planet of seven in the system. They stand on average between four and one half foot to five and one half foot but are rather stocky. Their body is covered in scales that range in coloration from light tan to a deep earthy brown and have four eyes and no noses. The species has very little sexual dimorphism, the woman being only slightly taller on average than the males. They tend to have young via eggs, laying three eggs on average per mating cycle.

Their society is matriarchal, the woman being the main leaders and head the over 900 clans. Males tend to be workers and soldiers primarily but there is some crossover on occasion in professions in the last hundred years or so, though males never make it to leading their clans.

The species is barely warp capable, their fastest ship being capable of Warp 1.5 and they have only one colony off of their main world and it is on the larger of their two moons. Contact was made with Starfleet in 2401 but they proved highly insular and do not appear to want contact with those outside their system save on rare occasion when one of their research vessels are found in one of the neighboring star systems of theirs. On those rare occasions they simply declare they are in the system and not to bother them.

>>54729476
>Lasers aren't really considered a threat and it shows just how technologically advanced the federation is compared to most minor powers.
The Federation had only recently phased out laser technology it its entirety as of TOS, so they'd not be that obsolete if they're operating within that time frame. If you're operating in TNG then they'd have to deal with all the ridiculous TNG tech, and nobody wants to be on the recieving end of that.

>>54730739
The Yohzeni are a nomadic race. Or, rather, they are now. Just over a millennia ago, the Yohzeni inhabited a small empire on the border between the Alpha and gamma quadrants. they maintained their home system, Yoz Ur, as well as roughly a dozen colonies. The real strength of their empire was their trade network. At the height of their power, most local races, Yohzeni included, could only operate low level warp technology. This significantly restricted the practical size of empires, as well as trade between various races. However the Yohzeni had taken to long-term space travel well over a century before the invention of their first warp drive. They constructed 15 massive city-ships to ply the void between their local stars.

These vessels became colonies themselves, home to millions of Yozheni. During the golden age, they became mobile trade posts. The Yohzeni outfitted them with primitive warp drives and they traveled from empire to empire trading for valuable minerals and fuels.

When a plague broke out in the Yohzeni empire, their borders were shut. The city ships were unable to return home, for fear of infection. For a time, they formed a fleet, wishing to avoid potential capture by opportunists. Eventually the various ships chose to split off and go their separate ways. Most would travel beyond their local cluster, entirely isolated.

The Yohzeni City Ship Kyaz first made contact with the UFP in 2384, passing into federation space from a coreward direction. Since then, the Yohzeni have been slowly making their way across federation space, trading freely with any who wish to. This has created an awkward situation for starfleet, as Kyaz is a den of black market activity. The Yohzeni don't seem to mind, however.

The Yozheni of old looked much different, but the Kyaz Yohzeni stand at roughly 2 meters tall. They are lithe and extremely pale They are bipedal, but in the low gravity enviroments of their home, they move about more like loping arachnids.

>>54727972
Photon Torpedo PD system
Metric shit-ton of photon torps launched at all available targets, shit's glorious

>>54730739
Ym'tarr. An irregular humanoid, noted for their specialisation in medical sciences. They're greatly valued in their home sector as doctors (where many of the factions present lack the facilities to maintain a large number of skilled medical personnel, injuries and diseases are widespread from the lack of care available), and whilst capable of defending themselves they typically don't need to. Combined with a willingness to experiment, genetic engineering and bio-mechanical prosthetics are key areas of their industries.

Physical appearance:
Inhuman face with four eyes arranged laterally (two front two towards the sides), no prominent nose. The head is elongated out forwards from the body, slightly hunched posture. Their skin is as if all blood vessels were very bulgy, slightly dull grey-purple colouration with tinges of green with elongated fingers.

Societally they're mercantile, though not ultra-capitalist in the way of the Ferengi, organised around various large corporations that dominate political interests. However their technology is such as to render much of the population without work. They're very prideful of their accomplishments as a species and as such tend to treat their own quite well. Test subject is a well regarded career, perhaps more-so than the doctors and engineers behind whatever is being tested.

Operating in an early 24th century level of ship technology, they operate numerous small-medium starships that more often than not are corporate trade vessels offering services rather than hauling bulk cargo.

>>54733493
What the fuck is Troi even supposed to be looking at there?

>>54730888
>>54731628
>>54732430
You really don't like noses, do you?

>>54733581
Not all the same person.

>>54733518
Maybe monitoring the away team?
It's from arsenal of freedom right?

Hey has anyone tried adapting Ferengi talents for PCs? I've got a player wanting to play one. It's a good concept ("Wanna be union leader who had to get the hell out of dodge when he was betrayed/caught pocketing dues, where better than Starfleet?") so I want to make it work.

>>54730739
for things like Star Trek (or even Star Wars)? Or just in general.

Because if I'm working within an already made sci-fi verse, I'd rather not add more alien races, if only because there's plenty as is.

I'd sooner just add OC, donut steel cultures within the races to reduce the weird monoculturalisms that tend to go on with them.

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>>54730739
The Patchmen (certainly not their real name) are a strange race(?) with no clear origin or overarching purpose. They are spread very thinly but evenly across what appears to be the entire galaxy and so even locating which quadrant they originated in impossible, they themselves claim not to remember

They are seen by old spacefarers as lucky to have around, though somewhat unnerving to have too close. Their ships tend to be slow, never having been witnessed to exceed warp 2.5 and mostly they seem content to coast at speeds between warp 1.2 and 1.8. The main reason for this is that their ships are amalgamations of derelicts and scrap lashed together and resurrected into some measure of functionality. On the rare occasions that they allow visitors the interiors of their ships have been described as death traps of inadequate radiation shielding, inconsistent and thin atmosphere composition and trip hazards among other things

The Patchmen themselves are much like their ships. Sad looking chimeras of organ grafts stitched and spliced together into some hideous mockery of life. If there was an "original" creature or species in there once there is no remnant of it now. How they reproduce is unknown though the favorite explanation is that they stitch a new person together from discarded corpse parts

The one thing they excel at is medical matters. All medical matters for seemingly all types of life. The can perform the most intricate surgeries or cure the most virulent plague, with equipment seemingly several centuries outdated at least and almost certainly salvaged from junk heaps. For this they are tolerated. Their only price is some day they will arrive, and they will want bodies as payment. They are vegetarian at least and they do take the corpses to their ships with considerable solemn reverence

On the whole they have nothing anyone would want but their services that they give out so cheap as to be all but free. They also seem to be almost totally pacifists

>>54734632
So basically a combination of the Viidians and Kobali.

Imagine dying, then waking up and suddenly you're an unrecognizable patchwork zombie.

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>>54734728
I was thinking more of Discworld Igors IN SPAAAACE!. And they wouldn't wake up a dead person, the dead deserve their rest. They do not approve of the Kobali and what they do, not at all.

The Patchmen just need the body parts, they can grow a new brain. Truth be told they could grow a new body but this is the traditional way and they are all about tradition.

It's speculated, but never proven, that the brain is the only thing of the original patchmen left. It is also possible that they can undergo some sort of fucking weird mitosis of the brain, though it does necessitate having the brain be in a jar for it to work. The result is 2 patchman brains with a complete set of memories. If this is true it is possible that there is effectively just one patchman that has been duplicated many, many times.

Also Viidians were sick. Patchmen are notoriously hard to make ill and even then they recover very quickly. They would have offered their help to the Viidians but the insufferable shits kept disassembling them for replacement parts and it's not like they could fight back.

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>>54734958

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>Paramount threatened to fire Sirtis and replace Troi with Seven for Nemesis if she didn't take a pay cut
>they went so far as to offer Ryan the role, but she turned them down

>>54730739
The chief race of the Coraline Alliance, the Talkari are a race of bipedal humanoids who are often cited as an example of Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Development, as their dominant culture was once fairly similar to that of the Golden Age of Islam, a philosophical and scientifically curious people. The Talkari are also notable for their crimson red skin and having feathery down on the heads instead of hair.

Other cultures existed on the planet, but the S.S. Coraline landed in 2217 and used their advanced technology to accelerate the Talkari to their own point of development. The sudden presence of such advanced technology, with the crew of twenty two humans and four Andorians providing all the assistance needed to understand the technology, the Talkari quickly conquered their home planet, irrevocably corrupting every other culture present, and set out, eventually establishing the eight system Coraline Alliance, ruled by the Talkari. In 2241, the crew of the USS Excalibur(my players) make contact with the Coraline Alliance. Their decisions should be interesting.

>>54732111
So when are they going to develop photon torpedo pods or MIRV-style photon torps? Though since no one really does point defense against Star Trek torps, it'd just be for the awesome display of a couple hundred torpedos headed downrange.

Is there a new Link to playtest materials? The Biff Tannen stuff got ripped down by Mediafire.

>>54730739
The Saare are a race of Vulcanoids, centered in the Ros system. Like most Vulcanoids races, they have common ancestry with Vulcans and left their homeworld during the great sundering. Unlike the followers of the raptor's wings and the rigellians, the Saare never settled on an M Class world. Instead they were forced down on Ros 4, a frigid O-class world with little vegetation and dangerous sea life.

Many of the Vulcans died in the early years of their settlement. Eventually a colony was successfully established on one of the world's few islands in the equatorial region. After a time, the colonists encountered a local virus, the Saa. It significantly shortened the lifespan of its host, but effectively re-networked the Vulcan brain. The infected were brilliant, vibrant people. They innovated and lead in the short time available to them. It is likely that without them, and by extension the virus, the Saare would have died out.

Modern Saare culture gives a religious, almost superstitious reverence to the Virus. A portion of the Saare population are willingly infected with the disease and help to improve their new homeworld.

This has led to an awkward situation. The Saare are protectorates of the Federation. But, the Vulcans and Saare are immensely hostile to one another. In fact, all Vulcanoids races hold some animosity towards the Saare and vice versa. The Vulcans consider the Virus an intolerable risk to Vulcan-kind and have worked towards eliminating the virus or immunising themselves to it. The Saare see it as their holy duty to infect other Vulcanoids and have done so in limited numbers.

Those that are infected are essentially quarantined to the Ros system. But the Saare are nothing if not ingenious. The breach their quarantine regularly and attemp to spread the light of the Saa to all Vulcanoids.

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>>54738789
This is kinda neat.

>>54736033
That too, even though they're clearly just a plot problem.

I'm hoping to run a game of the new Star Trek Adventures on Roll20 for a few friends and I was wondering if anyone knew where to find a decent amount of top down pictures of ships? I doubt I'll be able to find maps of the interiors that would work but, at the very least, giving the players the image of their ship in space will help set the mood.

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>>54741869
If you can be bothered to cut out a lot of your own pics, you can probably get a lot of use out of orthographics and stuff like this chart. Not sure where you'd find that kinda thing though.

>>54741957
Hot damn Nebula is such a sexy class.

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>>54742029
Agreed. In STO the "upgrade" (the Sutherland class) looks just as good too.

>>54741869
http://www.ststcsolda.space/

It's mainly stuff from old FASA books, but they've got most of the notable TNG era ships.

>>54718978
>bite the bullet and start voyager
>opens with a star wars text scroll and the star destroyer versus rebel runner sequence from another camera angle
Lord help me.

why didn't they just use melee weapons to fight off the borg?

>>54744243
Because Borg drones are usually stronger, and all they need is a split second to shove nanotubes into you and then you're a Borg too. You'd need some kind of personal armor or shielding capable of withstanding penetration by the assimilation tubes, and even then the Borg would just adapt and start building more melee-focused drones.

>>54744299
if range is an issue, they could use polearms

>>54735789
lel not even Ryan's hot borg ass could have saved that film.

>>54744596
Then Borg adapt and work out tube launchers attached by cord or hose to launch at the spearman's chest.

The problem of the Borg isn't coming up with a strategy to beat a drone. Just about any trained soldier can beat the first Borg drone and as a GM I'd allow just about anything to work once.

The problem is the NEXT drone knows what happened and has worked out a way around it. You have to come up with a new idea for every wave of attackers.

>>54744728
It's actually not that fast. Atleast in the show in most fights they where able to take 2-3 drones with one phaser but after that the Borg had adapted and then you had to come up with new plan. Someone like Worf could and did take out several Borg Drones in close combat but most of the others doing that wheren't so lucky or skillful at melee

What are some good ancient civilisations in Trek that aren't the Iconians?

>>54747152
There are the Tkon and the Progenitors

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>>54747152
The Preservers. They preserve stuff.

I wish we got more of the Promellians. Not a huge amount more, I don't want a mysterious return for the dead, but they had a neat thing going.

And there's the Tkon Empire. That's ripe for more exploration and detailing given they were supposedly huge and far more capable than even the Borg.

>>54747152
The Gorn.

>>54747672
They're Gorn but not forgotton.

>>54747672
Are the Gorn ancient? I thought they were still around.

>>54749239
Both. They're still around, but the Gorn Hegemony is a shadow of what it once was.

>>54747672
Three strikes and you're Gorn

>>54748220
Goddammit Carlos.

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>>54749301
Depends on whose fluff you follow.

>>54748220
>>54749302
>>54749381

Gorn Butt, not forgotten.

you do not want to know how long I unsuccessfully spent trying to find an image of Gorn butt for that stupid pun. This is the best I could get before calling off the search.

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Who else would eat TOS coloured food cubes if it meant less time prepping food?

>>54749884
They were actually just ice cream.

>>54749927
Were they?
I thought it was playdough.

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>>54749927
Freeze-dried ice cream?

>>54749973
i can't stand this shit. the texture just kills me

>>54749957
>>54749973
I was thinking in universe, but I suppose the freeze dried works.

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>>54749884
I don't mind cooking real food, and it tastes better. Food cubes would basically be military rations: nutritious but bland.

All bets are off once we invent replicators though.

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>>54749957
>>54749973
>>54749957

leading theory on the prop is just bits of different melons with food colouring for the green ones, as it fits the texture and they were seen being eaten so probably not just playdough.

The freeze-dried stuff I think would have been discarded as too expensive to bother with.

>>54750021
>join Starfleet they said
>see the universe they said
>stuck in the galley
>have to chop veggies with a knife
>not even a laser cutter like at home
>captain loves bolian onions
>be the only one who doesn't vomit immediately, so that's my duty now
>fml

>>54750865
Well that's what you get for taking what the recruiter says at face value, Also, using laser cutters in a kitchen? What are you, a Starfleet Engineer?

>>54750865
You're lucky. I forgot to add one little indicator on a report and I've been working waste maintenance.

>>54718978
It's like a Sovereign, if it was designed by an idiot

>>54730888
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>>54738789
Stealing all of these now, thanks!

>>54718978
SEAQUEST
IN
SPACE!

>>54752068
go nuts, buddy

>>54718978
I think it looks pretty cool.

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>>54750021
>Food cubes would basically be military rations
Combat rations, I love em.

The Romulans and Cardassians were both doing the right thing when they attempted to destroy the Bajor Wormhole.

>>54755393
I remember the Romulan attempt. Was the cardassian one with the communications relay?

>>54755411
The one where O'Brien coulda traded up.

>>54755393
The only thing that would've done is delay the inevitable by about a century.

>>54755533
By that time the Borg and the Typhoin Pact kicked Starfleet in the trousers, the Dominion would be facing phase ships, phase genesis missiles, transwarp travel, and thirtieth century covert ops.

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Fuckin love ugly ships, planes, etc
The Yosemite is the one Riker was offered command of in Best of Both Worlds, right?

>>54755894
nah he was offered the Melbourne

>>54718978
I'm told that at some point VOY becomes the EMH/7/Tuvok show, when does this happen?

>>54755979
>excelsior class
I'd have turned it down too.

>>54743755
>watching second episode of voyager
>talking about making a crack in an event horizon
I'm gonna have to cleanse my palate with TOS/TNG as I did with ENT. At least DS9's bad episodes were usually of the "strange aliens take over station/people" variety.

>>54726374

Because it's not.

>>54727352

I miss the days when Star Trek was just a vehicle for good scifi shows, instead of this incestuous tangle of internal references (see: Enterprise).

>>54755994
When Seven first shows up.

>>54756114
I wouldn't have minded ENT being entirely like season 3 or entirely like season 4 but the switch-ups didn't do it any favors.
>>54756135
Thanks familia.

>>54747152
The Vaadwaur and Tholians depending on how you spin them.

>>54756002
Also Nebula class. At the same time. Kinda.

Destroyed at Wolf 359 anyway.

>>54718978
Why was Worf adopted by humans? Mogh wasn't implicated in the colony shields going down until what, thirty years later. Wouldn't the steward of House Mogh have raised him, as Alfred did Bruce Wayne?

>>54756836
He was rescued, she was thought to be dead. Pretty much it.

>>54756881
Who, the steward?
Man, if there was no line of succession for the stewardship of an estate as large as the House of Mogh is implied to be then the Klingons must be the least organized race in the galaxy.

>>54756836
The Empire was under the impression that Worf had no living relatives, therefore he was adopted by one of the humans who found him. But it was probably part of the Duras plot to ensure the House of Mogh stayed weak and not a threat. They likely assumed Worf would forget his heritage or be a weak coddled Federation brat instead of the kingmaker he ended up becoming.

>>54756836
It was entirely 100% a plot by the House of Duras and the Chancellor to keep stability in the Empire following the Khitomir attack. Duras' House was too powerful to take the blame as it would lead to civil war, and they thought Kurn had been killed, so they let Worf get raised by humans thinking he wouldn't give a shit, or even know about Mogh being blamed for the attack.

>>54718978
Has anything small or weird ever gotten past a Vulcan's self control?
I just had a weird image of a Vulcan breaking down in tears laughing while doing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyO8e_zwlSw

>>54755994
>>54756141
Later, when it becomes blindingly obvious that the trio are the only characters with more depth than a cardboard cutout on the show. And even the Doctor starts to get flanderised in the last season or two.

>>54760249
Seh'lats are pretty much sabre-toothed bears and Vulcans have them as pets.

>>54760792
Tribbles! Tribbles should evoke a sense of horrible rage in Klingons, uncontrollable mirth in Vulcans, and elicit a different unwarranted emotion in all species.
That's a retcon I'd get behind.

>>54741957
I never noticed before how fucking oversized the Sovereign saucer section seems when viewed flatly from above. The 3/4 under-angles from the series really made it lose twenty pounds.

>>54755894
>>54755979
>>54756002
Certainly don't fault him for passing up the Drake either if the thing could only hit warp 3.

>>54762506
Why would they ever send a ship like that out on a deep space mission?

>>54763677
>>54762506

That really gotta be a script fuck-up, even Runabouts cruise at warp 5 and they're barely a starship.

>>54765782
Damn that is an ugly ship...

>>54766756

It looks like a Miranda is fucking a bobsled.

>>54765782
>USS I have the weirdest boner

>>54765782
>Curry class carrier U.S.S. Xyeet

>>54721686
>replace torpedo pod with more nacelles, a bigger warp core, and double-power phaser cannons
Yes please.

In DS9, the Federation have at least one ship with an all-Vulcan crew. Do you think they have ships with other mono-species crews on them? How well would that work out?

>>54767767
Mostly Vulcans and Andorians, it seems. Maybe species like Benzites, since they seem to be institutionally retarded and very few sane people would put up with it.

>>54767767
In TOS, the Intrepid was an all-Vulcan crewed starship. I'm not sure how canon it is, but it's supposed that the Eagle was the Constitution class starship given to the Andorians. Presumably the Tellarites got one as well but, honestly, who even remotely cares about the fucking Tellarites?
Given that the Vulcans still operate Vulcan only ships, it would be fair to assume that the founding races do the same. As for other races that's hard to say. For instance, >>54767822 the first Benzite entered Starfleet in 2364, so the likelihood of them having a Benzite-only ship by the DS9 era is extremely low.
All the same, Starfleet making the token gesture of giving each member race their own flagship would probably go down well.

>>54768631
I don't know, I wouldn't trust the Bajorans with something as valuable as a Galaxy.

>>54768951
They might not get a Star Cruiser. Something new and comfortable but not vital to Starfleet operations. Maybe an Akira or an Intrepid?

>>54768631
i-i care about the tellarites.

>>54769518
>>54768951
They can have all the Oberths they want

>>54769817
>mission pod converted to a hasperat kitchen
>nobody can go down without an environmental suit otherwise the stench will literally burn out their sinuses
>crew starts spreading ghost stories of some asshole in an old Starfleet suit who lives in the maintenance corridors and only comes out to steal hasperat

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Since we're still in the original steel doughnut edition, I've been scribbling with this ship design, the DS9 era quad nacelle light cruiser thing.

I think I am getting somewhere, one thing I have noticed in drafting is that apart from there being a good amount of work ahead still, breaking out that old golden ratio thing does work.

The images here don't use it, they're just working out the shapes, but using it in later drafts has given me much better proportions and shaping. For instance the nacelle position fits basically in line with the saucer's impulse engine bits, and starts at the back of the the largest square, and matches it's length, rather than the length of the saucer which just ended up looking both too short and too long.

For an idea of size I am thinking a crew of about 150-200, two shuttle bays based more on the Galaxy's 3rd bay so a few workbees and shuttle pods rather than the soapdish. Deflector dish on the top of the saucer akin to the Intrepid/Norway. Underside of hull mounts a single Quantum torpedo launcher. Pods on each end of the back bit the pylons attach to should have a single tube but fore/aft aiming Photon Torpedo launcher.
Not sure if I want to put additional phaser mounts in there too, should already have the two (or rather 4 cos of the split) on the saucer and another one or two small strips to cover the back. I think it might be a bit too snowflake to go with an equivalent to Miranda's megaphaser on the rollbar thing and mount Defiant-style pulse phasers in limited arc mounts up there with the torpedoes.

Limited science facilities, lots of cargo taking up internal space so not giant quarters but at least fairly comfortable. Tuck a decent mess hall down in front of the bridge, maybe one or two small holodecks, but mostly relying on more fixed crew facilities.

Visually the Steamrunner and Sabre are the main things it's trying to fit with, so a bit chunky. Anyway, that's what I am thinking about the design.

>>54769545
Congratulations, Cadet, you just signed up for the diplomatic detail to Tellar Prime. For your sake, I hope you like arguments.

>>54768631
It could also be that the Andorians were also sick of the Vulcans setting the thermostat to oven when any any civilized temperature for civilized people allows you to pick water up neatly.

>>54771202
Well I'm on 4Chan, Admiral.

>>54771324
Crew environment concerns just seems really fucking obvious as a reason to have single or similar species only ships in the otherwise very mixed fleet.

>>54769817
I think we could possibly spare a few Sabres

>>54736446
Shattered Universe had MIRV photon torpedoes, though that was both non-canon and mirror universe.

>>54768951
>>54769518
>>54773042
Didn't STO have the Shakaar class or something that was a Saber variant?
Give them the lead ship of that class.

>>54773127
Wait, no I was thinking of the ShiKahr class. That's apparently Vulcan inspired.

>>54756002
It's a classic. It's also an unlikely success story. A ship that was originally built entirely around an experimental transwarp drive that never really worked was able to adapt and become one of the longest-lived workhorses of the Federation.

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>>54773127
>>54773231
ShiKahr is a Miranda variant. Saber gets the Ushaan variant, which is Andorian inspired.

>>54774028
I think that ship looks better in the thumbnail.

>>54774783
That ship looks better in the trash can.

>>54775052
Is the V'ger or the whale dudes?

>>54775070
It certainly looks vaguely whale-like. I'd say whales.

>>54775070
>>54775117
Also the whale probe is below it.

>>54775151
Well I'll be. Didn't even notice that. Yup, whales. Gotta love the whales. Wonder why they're back and why that space whale is so fucking xbox hueg.

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>>54775171
I doubt it's a biological whale. More like a ship that looks like a whale. Hugeness required due to being full of space whales.

Seriously everyone should ride around in ships that look like themselves or things associated with them. Klingons should have big Bat'leth ships with forehead-ridges, Gorn can have a big lizard head with laser eyes and jaws that open when it launches fighters and shuttles (also lizard-shaped), Vulcans get a ship shaped like a pair of pointy ears(with a ring-drive of course instead of nacelles), Ferengi ride around in a giant bar of GPL with huge ears, Humans get image related...

Look, it works in shitty old cartoons after all.

And a catchy theme tune ala Thundercats or Skeleton Warriors is a must

>>54775388
This is a surprisingly compelling idea considering how awful it would be. Fund it.

>>54775388
>Klingons should have big Bat'leth ships
I'm fucking doing this. It'll probably have to be based on the sword of Kahless.

>Brandishing his newly-forged Sword, Kahless slew the hated tyrant Molor, conquered the Fek'Ihri, and

Holy shit, what if the ST Discovery Klingons are the Fek'Ihri?

>>54775563

It'll still be shit.

>>54775542
Honestly all that's going through my head right now is the opening of a Saturday morning cartoon show where the respective heroes and villains all jump in their appropriate vessels to go fight.

Obvious villain ships would be the Jem'Hadar bug-ship that just looks more grey and bug-like but with lots of little horns. Borg still get a giant cube but with extending grabbing arms/tubes for assimilation (villain is of course the Borg queen, she's already cartoonish enough as it is).
Breen ship just looks like the Breen helmet. Like not even any change just make it that.

Reoccuring are-they-an-ally-or-enemy the Romulan's ship looks like a TOS bird of prey but with vulcan ship's ear shapes on the side...upside-down. Yeah. Bet you didn't see that one coming.

Also you're now imagining the crew of the Ferengi ship using it's giant ears to hear the starfleet guys talking about their secret plans that'll leave the base (they gotta have some sort of base) unguarded.

>>54775782
Seriously where can I exchange money or services for this product. That last bit especially.

>>54768951
Beta canon has the first big ship built at Bajor being an Ambassador.

>>54718978
Can someone link the episode guides?

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Anyone have any experience with this company? Are these minis high quality? I really only have experience with GW so I don't know what to expect. They look fun to paint.

>>54777654
>everyone else is in super dramatic action posses
>then there's just picard doing tai chi

>>54779079
He's aiming a phaser

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>>54779635
>>54779622
>>54779608
>>54779592
>>54779571


These are fucking comedy gold.

>>54777385
>"thought the Federation had given the Bajorans a cast-off design, but quickly came to realise that despite the age of the class the Ambassador class design was still very good and quite modern."
>very good and quite modern
>ship that by that point is at least a 50 year old design that pales in comparison to the advances in ship construction and outfitting made, doesn't even have the geometry to keep up with the more recent ships at speed
>very good and quite modern

Fucking novels.

>>54781075
Exactly what do you need in a star ship?

It's stronger than any single ship we have seen the Cardassians field in every aspect, certainly more so for any Bjoran ships and was still in use alongside the Galaxy class. Also from Miranda onwards the ships seemed to be better designed to be upgraded easily so by swapping out old parts for new down the years they can stay in service for potentially centuries.

>>54781119
You need a ship that isn't largely obsolete. Just look at the Ambassador compared to the rest of the 2370s lineup. It's not as durable, fast, heavily armed or armoured. Sure it might be ok against Cardassians. But the Wormhole is still right there and fuck knows what might come through. There's also everything else that isn't Cardassians out there to worry about.

Ancient shit like Miranda and Excelsior were all getting shunted into second or even 3rd line roles with only the Dominion war bringing them back into service in numbers, and that's mostly out of a desperate need for warp-capable spaceframes with guns on.

Having one built brand-new when there's simply better designs available is pretty ridiculous. It'd be like starting up M60 tank production fresh. None have been built in thirty years. They're still in use in some places, heavily upgraded at that, but they're a clearly obsolete design compared to even older M1s and other things that are available.

>>54781258
If something hostile comes through that wormhole 1 anything ship is going to get flattened. Also Bjorans are highly insular and seem mostly uninterested in exploration. Also if one of the big players try to annex them the threat of the rest of the UFP wading in is more of a threat than anything that Bjor might possibly have.

Most it is likely to be used for is a system patrol boat to fend of Nausicaan pirates and if anything it's going to be massively overpowered for that.

Also it might be an old frame that was built and left to drift when sudden technical advance would have made it obsolete by the time they would have finished building it. Rather than let it go to waste they just slap some only slightly old parts to it and ship it off to Space Israel as a good will gesture.

>>54781258

Miranda and Excelsior are timeless classics though.
Think M1911

>>54781075

What do you expect? It's essentially licensed fan fiction, and apparently they don't have editors who give a single fuck.

>>54781119

The only reasonable things an Ambassador could be used for are protecting the trade routes to and from Bajor, assist DS9 when necessary, conducting patrols in areas of the Bajor system where DS9s sensors are blocked (planets and moons), and act as a training center for Bajoran nationals who may eventually want to join Starfleet.

A Bajoran coast guard, essentially.

>>54781328
A design confined pretty much entirely to the civilian market because as military pistols go it's heavy and carries far too few rounds of a type that has been superseded by better options?

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>>54718978
>why

>>54756836
I'm curious about what happened the House of Mogh's assets? Were they distributed among the High Council?

>>54779635
>where Vulcan ______ is lacking
Gave me a hearty Kek

>>54782942
Likely split between their subordinate houses and competing great houses. Before Worf shat the bed Kurn seemed to have regained at least a portion of it.

>>54782942
Worf was still alive and therefore the House had every right to still exist, even if he wasn't present. Affairs would be conducted by Future Alexander with the House being kept out of anything important.

>>54767767
Now imagine being the first human transfer to one of those ships.

>>54783091

Gowron, dick that he is, stripped the house of Mogh of it's assets to punish Worf for not joining him in the Invasion of Cardassia.

>>54783255
Sure but that was later. I thought he was asking about what happened to the House after Khitomir.

>>54783278

it is unclear.

yo, >>54782942 what era are you talking about?

>>54783278
>>54783296
Yeah, I inquired about the Post Khitomir status.

>>54779608
Any update on the full version of this?

>>54785594

What are you talking about. The series ends with Threshold. Sure it was a bit of a wonky episode, but it did bring things to a nice technobabbly solution.

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>>54767767
In pic related, it's mentioned that all-Vulcan crews are a fairly regular thing, and a human would probably feel even more isolated than Spock does on the Enterprise. This makes Kirk go "... Shit, that's a good point."

It's a nice moment for a novel inbetween the authors jerking off to their super-special Vulcan Sue who's totally badass and beats Kirk at tri-dimensional chess AND wrestling in no time at all, because he's SOOO cool.

>>54785594
Still working on it. Tough going though, It's a long series.

>>54777654

...Time to work out how to make a Green-stuff beard.

>>54786339
>their super-special Vulcan Sue who's totally badass and beats Kirk at tri-dimensional chess AND wrestling in no time at all
I mean, it's a Vulcan. They can beat any non-augmented human at wrasslin and and he may have faced a chess maverick before and knew how to counter Kirk's gambits without falling into "logic" pitfalls like that Spock.

>>54789482
Looks like crumpled construction paper.
I like.

>>54781075
>literally the second best all-rounder behind the galaxy well, third best after the nebbie became a thing
>acting like it's a fucking pile of garbage
Reminder that Mirandas are still in use over 100 years after their introduction.

>>54791554
The canon reason that there weren't more Ambassadors at Wolf 359 is that they were all out guarding the borders or on deep space exploration missions and couldn't be recalled. They're still quite capable.

>>54791554

They're in use because the roll-bar is modular enough to put them easily to use with upgrade packs for whatever mission they're needed for. They're not kept around because they're good at any particular thing, but because they can do random job X better than a ship that wasn't built for that job. They're the quintessential jack of all trades master of none ship, but their deficiencies showed clearly and hard in the Dominion War.

>>54791681
>>54791554

Still, 'capable' doesn't mean they should still be building new ones when much, much better options are available.

That's my problem.

>>54791708
Also this.

>>54791708
Anon, there wasn't a single ship that didn't get shown up badly in the Dominion War. Mirandas were cannon fodder, Galaxys got Worf'd, Akiras had higher attrition than Mirandas at Cardassia, and even the Defiant got put in its place a few times.

>>54791853

All ships took casualties and losses. The Mirandas consistently went down like a 2$ whore.

>>54791830
It was the FIRST SHIP for a new shipyard. They wanted something big enough to be immediately useful, but old and simple enough that the retards, Vedeks, and Bajoran PMS wouldn't ruin everything.

Anyone seen a particular ship from a video, it looked like it was from a video game cut scene.
The design made it look like a mid point between the galaxy and a Sovereign design. Galaxy looking hull, but the saucer turned lengthwise.
It had been busted up and was returning to space dock. I recall it being set to the First Contact opening theme.

>>54791893
First means even more that they should build something entirely modern so that they get more experience with making what they'll be using in the future. Building something 50 years old isn't gonna help that.

Maybe something useful but not huge like a Steamrunner.

>>54791947
Phalanx class?

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>>54791947
I gotchu senpai
Pic and vid related are what you're looking for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCho6AQ4cwc

>>54792042
Yeah, that's the one! Thanks.

>>54792004
Seriously? The first build has to be something proven and reliable that's been around long enough for you to find outside help if you fuck up - there's a reason why every tinpot dictator starts off their domestic arms industry making off-brand scuds and TOWs instead of jumping straight to ICBMs. Ambassadors are proven, reliable and competent enough to be a perfectly fine Easy-Bake starship.

>>54718978
It'd look better without the purple.

>>54792009
Darn, there isn't much material on it, just that picture and what's in the video. Nobody has even done a top down or side profile view comparing scales.

>>54792099
Excelsior seems more reliable than the Ambassador desu. I know the out-of-universe reason is because we didn't see the Ambassador at all until Yesterday's Enterprise, but we saw Excelsiors flying around all the time in the TNG/DS9 era, with a retrofit Excelsior being able to go toe-to-toe with a fucking Defiant.

>>54792324
That's WHY they didn't get an Excelsior first.

>>54792099
3rd world dictators starting up their own arms industry are in a very different situation.
They're not building capital ships with the direct support of a gigantic, top-tier technological capability nation for the most part.

It'd be like Israel starting out with building tanks from the '30s rather than what they actually did start doing once they got domestic tank production going.

>>54792324
A drastically modernised Excelsior makes more sense (since we've got canon examples of those unlike the Ambassador). A smart move to start out on would be giving them responsibility for huge refit. That'd give them experience with nearly all the modern tech needed.

I mean it's still not a complete modern ship like a Norway or Steamrunner but it's better than an Ambassador as a proven generalist without unnecessary bulk and fluff.

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>tfw no qt bob-cut bajoran gf that likes boring guys like me

>>54792042
Never knew they made a video of this thing, neat.

>>54795242
>Kira liking any Cardassians

She tolerated Damar, but she was brutal after he heard his family had been executed.
Kira would joined Martok on drinking up while Cardassia burned around them.

>>54796103
Because of the fucked up way that Cardassians go about relationships, he probably thinks she has the hots for him as a result of confronting him.

>>54796269
Every Bajoran woman we've seen is fiery like that. The occupation was a bunch of weebs invading Tsunderia and finding out the deredere doesn't necessarily follow from the tsuntsun.

>>54779608
>the space oppenheimer episode isn't labeled great

>>54718978
http://www.ditl.org/picaccumulator-page.php?ListID=Recreation

>>54796103
I'm not sure she would have after being with the Cardassian resistance for a while. She mightn't like them but she seemed to hate them alot less when she had to work with them.

>>54791853
It was nice, the Federation getting rocked that hard. It's a shame the Jem'hadar ships are so fucking boring.

"Hey we've got an evil federation but we'll only show two species and one ship style with three classes!". Budget's a bitch.

>>54798937
Yeah, recycling the Weyouns was a fun touch though.

>>54798960
Oh I did like that, the whole clone race thing was dope. A secondary villain who can be killed whenever is great, and I still think the Female Changeling's, "Kill the doctors, activate their clones. A fresh perspective is needed." is great.

>>54799476
And actually thinking about it, the fact that the federation never saw any of the Dominion races is kind of a testament to how fucking good they were. They had made a war machine of literal 100% obedient clones and they fought the invaders back almost effortlessly. The federation lost the fuck out of that war, on the whole. Not as much as Cardassia though.

>>54799556
It's a testament to the wormhole being a chokepoint and the Dominion pretty much only sending through military forces.

If it was almost effortlessly they wouldn't have needed to bring in the Breen to shore up their forces.

>>54800244
Yeah, as soon as the Dominion started taking territory shit went poorly for them. Good conquerors, not as good at keeping the shit conquered.

>>54800750
Thats basically true for everyone ever outside of conquered random tribals and France.

>>54789424
I'll give you the rasslin (Kirk was pretty much guilted into it) but the chess bit was so fucking obnoxious: it was pretty much the Vulcan Sue fucking with Kirk from the first move.

Like, I get that there's usually a little Vulcan wank, especially in the novels, but this was some fanfic bullshit... and I liked "Dreadnought!", damn it.

>>54796103
>>Kira liking any Cardassians
Tekeny Ghemor, Tora Ziyal

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>>54796310
>The occupation was a bunch of weebs invading Tsunderia and finding out the deredere doesn't necessarily follow from the tsuntsun.

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>>54801992
Well, that's a confirmed 1.5 Cardassians at least.

>>54796310
>space oppenheimer
?

>>54802376
That one where they make a holodeck version of some cardie doctor, which performed very unethical medical experiments on his patients. One of those "should we use knowledge gained in such evil ways, even if it is for good?" stories.

>>54802376
>>54802892
Or rather, the one where they meet the dude that developed the weapon that wiped out Neelix's home moon.

>>54779635
> Dear Doctor
> Okay
that episode is worse than trash, it's insulting to anyone with a conscience! I mean seriously what the hell?! If I were the captain I would've thrown that excuse of a "doctor" off my ship at the first opportunity after that!

>>54803108
It's an ok-good episode with a stupid conclusion. Not even a moral issue - the captain just suddenly decides to go with Phlox, despite the whole episode pushing him hard the other way. That's just lazy writing to justify muh prime directive.

>>54803108
I can see how people miss that. I mean, the really abhorrent shit is right near the end, and it's fairly boring otherwise with a lot of really shit dialogue so most people probably are not paying attention near the end when they decide to go nah, fuck these guys, because 'evolutionary dead end' apparently justifies letting billions of peaceful, space-faring people die from something that they already had the fix for.

Change the end of the episode to the logical one where they show compassion and leave it as a pure character piece rather than trying to make some sort of moral point and fucking up so hard it's amazing, and by ENT standards it's an ok episode.

>>54803242
what always bugs me about modern takes on the prime directive is Picard, the symbol of the 24th century man, is introduced as having violated it nine times in his career. And he gets to captain the Enterprise.

So clearly the implication is that Directive breaches happen and it's not a career ender, despite this not being the case later on. Then again the nature of Picard's violations are, I think, never gone into so maybe they were excessively minor.

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>>54803108
>>54803242
>>54804287
Here we go.

>>54804287
That was nine times since taking command of the Enterprise no less, not counting his decades on the Stargazer.

>>54804287
Violations of the Prime Directive are allowed in extreme situations as long as the captain can show that they had good reason and tried to minimize the impact of their interference. Federation is more interested in the Directive in spirit than taking a rules lawyer approach. The moment someone tried doing that (Drumhead) they were painted as the villain.

(inb4 Homeward shitposter)

>>54804287
>>54804362
He was an expert at first contact shit, probly just wiggling around the protocols to succeed at it.

>>54804360
Like I'm fine with the Prime Directive I just wish it was more consistent on if it's a thing that can be violated or if it's a be all end all. And obviously different captains have different opinions; Picard was always in trouble with the Admiralty for some reason or another, which might account for him going hard line later in his career.

>>54804406
It's like the First Amendment in the US. In theory, freedom of speech and expression is the most fundamental right in American society, but in practice there are times when it's permissible to violate that principle in very specific and narrow circumstances if it benefits society as a whole. And then you have people debating exactly how far government should be allowed to go, some people saying no exceptions should be tolerated period, and so on. In-universe there are undoubtedly similar debates regarding the Prime Directive.

>>54804473
That's fair, and I can work with that. I'm throwing together a "the Prime Directive and you." packet for my players, most of whom are pretty new to the setting and mostly going off of pop culture, so I wanted to stress the actual thing instead of what everyone thinks it is.

>>54804473
>>54804498
Picard also notably violates prime directive for the BENEFIT of the natives. Like initiating first contact before they're ready to save them, ala insurrection. The end result always turns in his favor though, otherwise he'd probly have trouble.

>>54804287

TNG is up its own ass about the PD, inconsistent, and generally too preachy for my tastes, with a side order of too much exposition.

While occasionally TNG rises above its mainstream TV appeal to deliver something really good, for the most part it's mired in beige mediocrity.

>>54798937
>one ship style with three classes
Don't forget that one of the classes was just one of the others but zoomed in more.

>>54804498
I think the best way to do that would be to simply toss them into a scenario similar to Pen Pals or Who Watches The Watchers or even the backstory of Too Short A Season, and then continuing the session to deal with the fallout of the players' actions.

>>54804526
Those shitters from Insurrection were neither pre-warp or native, they were hippies squatting on a hidden planet in Federation territory. It doesn't matter if they were there for centuries. They're illegals is what they are.
If Admiral Dougherty actually knew what was going on, there wouldn't have been any of that holoship nonsense, he would have beamed down some security officers with an eviction notice at best and jailed them for illegal trespassing on Federation territory at worst, especially with the whole Maquis bullshit they just got done dealing with and the Dominion war.

>>54804572
That's not a bad idea. I was thinking of a grey area sort of thing where they have to return a captured alien to its pre-warp civilization and don't have that memory eraser Crusher was packing for a while.

>>54804652
This.

Baku were the most insufferable shit stains in the whole of Alpha Quadrant.

>>54804652
>>54806544
The best way to improve the Baku is to remove the B.
>Samurai Jack crossover movie

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For some reason the whole mess with the warp 5 speed limit and it's subsequently being ignored because it's a dumb plot device managed to appear in my brain.

Is the best answer to fill in the in-universe reason as to why everyone eventually ignored it actually just saying the research was wrong, that was just one weird area of space that was already fucked up without warp drive? Like the scientist was right in that the area would fuck up, but for the wrong reasons.

Given that there's bound to be stupidly heavily travelled routes (Earth to any other major Federation capital for instance) that make the one featured look like a quiet country lane as roads go, and those are not fucked up, and the quietly shuffled aside speed limit shit that really only the Feds were ever going to bother with, I think it makes more sense that way. Perhaps more than just an eh, they fixed it (since a fix wouldn't be universal) handwave?

>>54807851
It's not that everyone ignored it, it's just that everyone decided that a slight change in starship design was enough to fix everything (or, in Voyager's case, ridiculously overengineered folding nacelle pylons).

>>54807851
Well the main reason why it was ignored in DS9 is because a war was going on. Rather risk ignoring speed limits than being annihilated. After that you can say they decided to follow the limits until they unfucked the problem, and at that point the only thing going on was Voyager on the other side of the galaxy, and they're not going to give a fuck because warp 5 means a 327 year journey home.

>>54807965
I find that explanation (even if it is basically the official one) pretty ridiculous though given the amount of old starships we still see around.

Which was kinda my point though as 'eh, they fixed it' I find a less satisfying handwave (and it really is a handwave) than it never actually being a problem in the first place. I mean, yeah Voyager's engine thing was supposed to fix the problem... but given it was never seen on anything else, the obvious answer is that it didn't and nobody cared or there wasn't actually a problem in the first place.

Yes, I realise this is incredibly petty and changes nothing.

But that warp 5 limit does annoy me. Also it's kind of a shitty episode. And they immediately just go "oh, all we need to do is say they're authorised to go fast and all relevance of that plot point is gone". Another case of the writers getting caught up in trying to make sort of point and failing to check if it was a point that fit.

>>54808114
Its not "eh, they fixed it" though, it's just "eh, we're (aggressively) phasing in new stuff so it's less of a problem". Think diesel cars and particulate filters.

Voyager's thing was daft and overengineered to look cool, but the vague explanations given by beta canon (I think) kinda makes sense - it's all about the overall geometry of the ship at warp. Supposedly, the subspace damage was caused by ship geometries with the nacelles beneath the saucer, which until then had been the norm because it was more stable/efficient/powerful/generically better, at least at sublight speeds. Since the problem was mitigated by raising the nacelles, Voyager got the folding pylons, and the Ent-E and the Pasteur just had them raised above the saucer again without the need for variable-geometry. Compare and contrast with military aviation in the cold war - swing-wings were fashionable in the 60s and early 70s for long loiter times when spread and high speeds when streamlined, but later wing designs could do the same without having about a billion moving parts to go wrong.

>>54808552
Problem with that though: pretty much every other new ship of the time has low-slung nacelles.

>>54808552
I think it was more the absolute value of vertical deviation, since they kept cranking out new designs with underslung nacelles (Akira, Luna).

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>>54808875
Akira is technically pre-Intrepid (still has the Galaxy-era wide rather than pointy saucer design) but to add to your list the Sabre also does. Norway and Steamrunner are high mounted though.

It really doesn't seem to be much of a factor, I mean the big change in ship design is more that everything is far more in-line and more pointy, and that seems mostly to be because they're designing ships expected to see a lot more combat. Well, word straight from the designer for that being the case with all the new ship designs seen in First Contact anyway.

Any interest in Star Trek quest thread?

>>54809777
The what?

>>54809829
A Star Trek quest. On /qst/?

>>54809838
Is there one? I don't see one.

>>54809777
There needs to be waifus, lewdness, and autistic animeisms for it to be a true Quest. So yes.

>>54809854
I would start one if there is interest. Figured I would ask here to gauge interest since it's a Trek rpg thread.

>>54809777
>>54810082
What era would it be set in?
Would you try to keep it from getting too overpowered?

>>54810181
Post-Nemesis. Other than saying the future tech Voyager brought back is in impound at R&D, what power creep issues are you thinking of?

>>54810252
Players trying to get bigger and badder ships/upgrading until they're Warship Voyager.
Or
>Let's just replicate something to fix the problem of the week!
Those are may main concerns mostly.

>>54810317
Not gonna happen.

>>54810181
Set it in whatever era allows for the most Caitian waifus

>>54804652
>Squatting
Weren't they there before Federation territory expanded that far? Wouldn't that make it their world?

>>54810459
The Briar Patch area was owned by the Romulans when the Baku took the planet in the 21st century. I doubt they let these assholes settle there if they knew about it.
in the 22nd and 23rd it was Klingon and then Federation.

As a side note, it's the same planet Enterprise era augments were going to settle before they decided to do something stupider.

>>54810252
>>54810317
>>54810421
This, but also the fact that post-VOY there aren't really any big issues to be had - the Dominion were fought off, Klingons are friendly, and the Cardies and Borg are hamstrung. Unless we go full Cryptic and decide to pull minor races or steel donuts out of nowhere and have them be big threats despite having never been heard of before, we don't really have many potential BBEGs. Unless explore post-Hobus Romulus (the only thing Cryptic really did right) or bring in the not!Typhon Pact a bit early.

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>>54811449
I'd say there's big issues to face but rather than go down the easy but shit escalation route, internal issues are the way forward. Federation got out of a major war with a lot of damage, but more people than ever wanting, needing support.
There's a shift in attitudes to deal with due to the extended threat of the Borg and then a couple of years of outright total warfare. Plenty of scope for ye olde Crazy Admiral plots, alien asshole of the week plots, gotta get them supplies and vaccines to save people but oh noes a thing is in the way plots and so on. There's a ton of things that can be a problem to a single ship or even groups of without needing to be some existential threat to everything like the Dominion, Borg and occasionally Klingons were.

But before I ramble too much:
Star Trek doesn't need BBEGs with conquer the world/galaxy motives.

Hell most of the time it's better without any outright baddies. It's why people like Romulans and Cardassians after all; opposition but with depth and an understandable position as to why they're in opposition yet still capable of both working together and outright villainy as required.

>>54811449

Only a tiny fraction of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants have been explored, Voyager only got a slim line around the course they took through the Delta Quadrant, and the Gamma Quadrant is also mostly unexplored (by the Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers, of course).

There's plenty of potential to boldly go, and sure Donut Steel may be an issue, but no more than any other species of the week featured in Trek. The fragmentation of the Romulan Star Empire could be in the foreground or the background, but it doesn't have to be the outright focus just because the game takes place post-Nemesis, post-Hobus.

Also >>54811819 this. BBEGs are not actually necessary, though antagonists are.

>>54811871
The thing about post TNG Trek is that there's a canonical cosmic plan towards divergent evolution so steel donuts with rubber foreheads and ears is to be expected.

>>54811940
*convergent evolution

>>54811940

Cosmic plan is stretching it. More like the galaxy was seeded with self-replicating amino acids that will eventually form DNA that will create convergent humanoid life by a precursor race.

>>54812512
And the genetic engineering was present in pretty much everything, not just guiding towards humanoid life. That's why every class-M planet pretty much looks the same, for each general biome. There are local variations, based on local conditions, but there are still Space Trees, Space Ferns, Space Cats, Space Boars, Space Manatees, etc.

>>54808114
> And they immediately just go "oh, all we need to do is say they're authorised to go fast and all relevance of that plot point is gone"

The reason it was ignored later on lies in the episodes real life history as in it was forced upon the Star Trek writers to do an episode that dealt with enviromental issue as the production company was doing this enviroment awareness thing at the time and all the TV series made had to have one no exceptions so TNG did one aswell.

>>54811449
>>54811819
>>54811871
I agree with all of you to varying degrees.

I intend to have bottle episodes and saga episodes. The bottle episodes are your planet/anomaly of the week style quests (not to say they can't impact the larger story) and the saga episodes advance the big things happening in the galaxy in significant ways.

I never considered the idea of a BBEG. Though I suppose the concept of a BBEG is relative and subjective. Antagonists, absolutely I've considered those.

Don't play STO so I can't say whether Cryptic's stories are good or bad or whether my ideas cross paths with what they've done or if my ideas are even any good. At the end of the day, hopefully a Trek quest is just a fun diversion for folks.

>>54812681
Somebody forgot to invite the Tholians to the convergent evolution party, I guess.

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Harry Kim you stupid motherfucker.

>>54815742
Harry Kim always has been and always will be a dumbass. Pretty much everything he does is the weeniest option available.

>>54816876
There is story that Harry Kim was saved from dying in Scorpion when Garret Wang was chosen into one of those 100 most handsome actor lists and the excutives decided he should stay due to that publicity.

>>54817144
>the excutives decided he should stay due to that publicity.
too bad Bermen and Braga had no idea what to do with the character. but are we at all surprised?

>>54817256
>Character

>>54817307
even a bad character is still a character.

>>54815742
To be fair, if he'd stayed in the alpha quadrant he wouldn't have Janeway to hold him back from advancement, just his staggering mediocrity.

Has there ever been a novel or something that linked TOS to the Borg in some capacity? Or is that considered taboo for the publisher to mix the two 'generations' or whatever?

>>54819150
Well there was Vger

>>54819150
>Or is that considered taboo for the publisher to mix the two 'generations' or whatever?
No, they cross generations way too much as is. It's not taboo from the author's or publisher's perspectives.

>>54819410
So have the TOS crew ever encountered the borg or preluded it in some way?

>>54819236
I have never heard of this (that is, a connection between V'Ger and the borg). What happened?

>>54819433
there was no solid confirmed link but it was highly speculated including some comments by roddenberry about it. I dont know if they ever had a canon answer tho
Vger literally assimilates the first humanoids out of the machine people then goes home

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>>54810317
>the replicators are just making those damn quark advertising mugs again shit damn how do we fix this.

There that problem's solved.