Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Konor will not matter.

Named Guardfags worstfags? Y/N?

Second for "Will Forgeworld make models for the Other Dawn of War characters?"

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The Kabal of the Emerald Hallow finally got a hold of some incubi. What are you working on lads?

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>>54717874
How can Conscripts even compete with Brimstones once the CSM codex hits ?

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>>54717874
Soon

Xth for Alpharius' email

>>54717899

lets hope not given the shit job they did

My store is doing some apoc games and my side has some spare power levels to play with. What do people think is more use
Terminus Ultra
A baneblade variant (can field any)
Triple preds (for the kilshot stratagem)
A knight

>>54717888
>Khorne already on damage control cuz he's getting BTFO

>>54717898
Chaosfags are worstfags by far. Named guardfags actually contribute. The guys who sperg out when they post are giving themselves away as the shitposters that everyone wishes would just hang themselves.

>>54717941
Angelos looks okay in the resin cast at least. Just the head is a bit weird, which can be fixed with a bit of strategic resin shaving and a half decent paint job.

>>54717928
Orders? The same way they have been?

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When're we gonna get the 4th war for Armageddon? I-I just want to know if the Angron model's gonna suck or not

>>54717928
Brimstones just got nerfed in the Codex, what are you talking about.

Conscripts were ALREADY performing better than them before they got more expensive and got weakened smite.

Also I'm not a guard player, smug conscriptfags take heed, you fuckers are next.

Aside from the box art, are there any other decent colour schemes for Scions? Tempted to match them to my marines for personal fluff.

>>54717975
>angron model

he will only come out with a Codex: Worldeaters and since they are in the new Chaos Codex it will be a long, LONG time

Any of you all know where I can get a model that looks like am ork shield generator? I can't find the bits online and I need a couple to attach to my Big Meks that don't have one

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>>54717874
What is Khorne's favorite vidya character?

>>54717975
With whatever shadow war update they are planning I'm guessing. I for one want some roaming swarm of daemons rules stuff like that.

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So against a non-imperial army, Abaddon has no warlord trait?

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>>54718000
cheeky

>>54718000
the bad pun catgirl in Skullgirls

>>54717898
N

game/army shots are more interesting than most all of the shitposting that goes on here

>>54717975
Armageddon's gone, Angron is now prolly going to appear and be fighting the BT/Yarrick's Guard over with that chaos crusade headed straight for Ghazgkull and the Nid infested place

>>54717984
I am a guard player. I want conscripts nerfed into the ground. Then maybe I won't have to hear about them all the time.

>>lay down 3 Leman Russes.
>>get laughed out of the store for not buying 500 conscripts.

>>54718000
Kratos.

>>54717994
I got one that has a car engine from a 25 cent model car I bought at a yard sale strapped to his back. A few orky bits and some plasticard rods more or less completed the look.

what's the general opinion of recasters here? any trusted names or is it always a roll of the dice?

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>>54717991

>>54717898
Not really. The people who hate them are far more obnoxious, but if their plan is to get people to hate the Guard fags by making sure they shitpost every time a Guard fag posts, then it will work. Eventually you start to resent the person posting knowing it will attract human trash.

Which Chaos god is the most fun to bully?

>>54717984
I'm a Guard fag and they do need a nerf. I just want blobs of men. If they made combined infantry squads again and bumped up their cost from 4 points to 5, then I would like it. I just want to melee blob again.

>>54718091
The Emperor

I play Death Guard, so I'm debating getting the CMS Codex at all. The issue is, I have a converted Heldrake, looks like a massive blight drone. I'm guessing the Heldrake won't be in the DG book.

>>54718000
>he has no style
>he has no grace
>he'll swing an axe right at your face

>>54718105
Yeah. Fuck the current state of guard infantry.

Stormtroopers should be elites.
Vets should be troops.
Conscripts should be mostly useless.

>>54717874
9th edition predictions?

>Vast majority of chapters have fully upgraded to Primaris marines
>Girlyman in charge of noblebright empire, brings citizens rights, education, knowledge , builds a utopia.
>First gay chapter master introduced
>Primaris marine range expanded, they are space marines now , majority of manlet models phased out of shops.
>Manlet models relegated to the bargain bin on eBay
>Rules simplified even further
>Movement characteristics removed again, everything moves 6 except for vehicles, flyers etc which move 12.
>Bs/ws merged to 'to hit'
>No more rolling to wound or damage, just hit and then the model gets an armour save based on the ap of the weapon then takes a wound.
>Weapon ranges deemed too complicated , if you can see a unit you can shoot it.
>CC phase removed, there's simply one attack phase where a unit can either shoot or attack with a cc weapon if within 1 inch.
>Morale removed entirely
>No more attack characteristic , all models just get 1 attack, extra attacks are simply.provided by the models weapons
>Cover entirely removed
>Tlos still inexplicably in the ruleset
>Wounds drastically reduced as a result, all tanks have 3 , most models just 1, characters and Primaris get 2.
>Community loudly complains but GW releases a new Value£££ starter bundle and a free PDF containing a slimmed down version of the rules and everybody reinserts their GW corporate buttplug and falls back in line.

>>54718130
Agreed. I think they should be the same cost, but not able to receive orders and only get the Commissar's leadership buff. The 1 and done passing check shouldn't apply to them.

>>54718123
So run him as a Blight Drone.

>>54718105
What happened to penal guard? Did they become conscripts? I don't follow IG lore.

>>54717928
Conscripts dont die to Morale Fuckups in giant Units because of Commisars. BrimHorrors mostly lack the ability to do damage like any damage.

That being said we have one Autist at our Store who literally has a bucket of Horrors
that he begged his Girlfriend? for at the store to buy him more of[/spoilers]
And he think he is a tactical genius to fill his entire Deployment Zone with Thicc Orange Blobs, not just the brimstones all his Horrors look like they were dipped in a bucket of orange paint.


Your Goal with that Army is basically hoping you convieniently only get "hold/defend objectives" in your deployment Zone and pray your opponent lacks the firepower to table your 500 wounds with a 4+ Safe Or draws worse Objective Cards which is pretty much impossible.

So youre basically wasting your and your opponents time

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>>54718000
HE HAS NO GUILE
HE HAS NO GRACE
THIS KHORNATE HAS A BLOODY FACE
HE AND HIS WARBAND
WHEN THEY NEED TO
KILL ALL OF THE IMPERIALS
JUST FOR YOU

>>54718163
They were only in the 5th codex and removed because they don't have models. I love them. I made my own penal legion guys using Catachans painted orange. I run them as Conscripts, but I would love it if the actual squad came back.

>>54718163
conscripts are basically either your raw recruits on their first combat action, or a penal battalion

>>54718150
Still buttfrustrated about having to sell your Riptides?

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>>54718150
>Vast majority of chapters have fully upgraded to Primaris marines
>Girlyman in charge of noblebright empire, brings citizens rights, education, knowledge , builds a utopia.
>First gay chapter master introduced
>Primaris marine range expanded, they are space marines now, majority of manlet models phased out of shops.
>Manlet models relegated to the bargain bin on eBay

But anon these would all be good things that show that actual progression is occurring in the setting

>>54718150
8th edition doesn't even really EXIST until we get more codexes. What's even the point of speculation yet?

>>54718159
>count it as a model that's 1/3 its size

Good call.

>>54718000
if you separate shapes in that sideways khorne icon you can spell D I C K

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Is this faggot forreal? Will Chaosfags never be satisfied? This is their best Codex since 3.5 ffs.

>>54718150

Fuck off with 9th edition shit.

>>54717984
The only way I would want to see my conscripts be nerfed would be like company command squads. As in a rule that says you may only take a conscript blob for ever 2 other troop choices.

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>>54717922

He's not wellpainted, but dammit, he's mine.

>>54718150
>First gay chapter master introduced
Who is Azrael?

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New Plague Marine stuff from Codex:

Plague Marines are now 19 pts, down from 21.

Universal Rules: Most weapons have 'Plague Weapon' which is rerolling 1s to wound.
If you replace your boltgun with a second Plague Knife, a Bubonic Axe or a Bubonic Axe AND Mace of Contagion, you get 2 attacks.

Champion can no longer take combi-weapons. Can replace bolter with bolt gun, plasma pistol or plasma gun. Can take a power fist.

2 plague marines can take 2 special weapons, namely: melta gun, plasma gun, blight launcher and two new flamer variants:

Plague Belcher for 10 pts, 9", Assault D6, S4, 0ap, 1d, autohits and plague weapon (Its a flamer with 9" range and plague weapon)

Plague Spewer 19 pts, 9", Heavy D6, S5, -1ap, 1d, autohits and plague weapon (Its a heavy flamer with 9" range and plague weapon)

Any number of Plague Marines can take either 2 Plague Knives, which are still just melee, S user, 0ap, 1d and plague weapon. (Probably just to have a cheap melee option).

Any number of Plague Marines can take a Bubonic Axe, which are melee, S+1, -2ap, 1d and plague weapon.

2 Plague Marines can take a Bubonic axe AND a Mace of Contagion which is melee S+2, -1ap, 3d, plague weapon and -1 to hit.

A further 2 can also take a Flail of Corruption or Great Plague Cleaver. Flail is melee S+2, -2ap, 2d, plague weapon, does D3 hits when attacking with it instead of 1. Damage also spills over.

Great Plague Cleaver is Sx2, -3ap, D6d, plague weapon and -1 to hit.

(Note, the Flail and Cleaver don't benefit from the +1 attack rule, so you only have 1 attack with them).

Thoughts on the new Death Guard melee and Flamer weapons? How would you use them if at all?

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>>54717898
>>54717958
>mfw I'm just sitting here as Xenos watching you fags fight and whine about each other

>>54718150
>manlet models relegated to bargin bin on ebay

Good I hope so! Second edition day long games every weekend for the rest of my life.

>>54718228
> one guy = all chaos players.
Ok buddy!

>>54718150
Most of that lore sounds pretty good. Especially getting rid of manlets, they need to upgrade or die off.

>>54717937
second on this

>>54718228
Chaos players are either mostly huge whiners, or they just have the single most annoying and vocal minority out of all the factions. For every normal guy playing chaos, there seems to be at least one total crybaby autist.

>>54718075
There are some good recasters, but they are not publicly available. I continue to use the Frenchman and I literally cannot tell the difference between his casts and my Forgeworld models.

>>54718075
Ccon is fucking great. Alpharius or pillpit are pretty good too

>>54718247
I still think they should lose orders. It doesn't make sense that some yokels who've basically been given a lasgun and some flak armour and sent into battle can pull off a complex ripple fire manoeuvre. That's for the proper guardsmen, who've had some decent training.

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>>54718261
Here here fellow Archon!

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>>54718261
>I recognize that image.
>You fellow anti-imperial Xeno, you.

>>54718250
Love is blind. Be proud of your boyfriend.

Hello all, I used to collect about 10 years ago but had never played a game. I recently moved to Aus and now I actually have games workshops around me + an active community I'd like to get back into it. Always loved the look of Tyranids so I think I'll go for them. Thoughts? Speaking to one of the store guys I also heard that recently a new edition was released?

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>>54718288
A fine hello to you too

>>54718288
It's hear hear you brainlet

>>54718000
Doomguy

>>54718321
What datasheet profile would Doomguy have?

>>54718228
has it leaked!?

>>54718308
Go for it. What color are your nids?

>>54718220
Damn it Slaanesh.

>>54718150
You forgot
>Tau are still dead as a viable faction

>>54718308
Yes, the new edition is a huge change and basically reset the game. Tyranids are an awesome choice, they're finally decent to play again for the first time in probably a decade. You need Index Xenos 1 to get their rules, and it also comes with Genestealer Cults if you're interested in those.

>>54718317
Dubs negate misuse of words :^)

>>54718150
Squats. Everywhere.

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>>54718305
>fellow anti-imperial xeno
My Mephrit Cohort would like a word with your dynasty, surely you're not helping the Empyrean corrupt realspace and our other properties?

>>54718339
Iron Hand Straken

>>54718343
Pretty much, you can piece together almost everything if you look around for the reviews on youtube. Buffs everywhere, points cuts everywhere, some better stratagems than SM, like 3 of the Legion traits are insanely good, psychic powers are all amazing.

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>>54718305
I think I have literally every 40k cup image on a flash drive at this point

>>54718279
crybaby autist is my best friend. I don't invite him over on game day.

>>54718284
Idk I rather like how they are now I just want to stop WAAC fags from spamming them by adding back the platoon tax they had in 7th. So that to field a 50 man squad you would need 170 points of other guardsmen too. Thus stopping the spam fags.

>>54718345
Haven't decided yet. That's a question I had actually that they couldn't really answer - where do you guys find schemes nowadays? There used to be a bunch of examples in the race codex but that's gone now, I also remember getting them off 90s style forums. Anywhere there is a good collection of colour schemes and the paint lists?
>>54718361
I picked up xenos 1&2 yesterday so I could browse units etc :) going to buy something to start making and painting next week

>>54717958
>>54718027
>>54718084
Then say something nice about the named Guardfags in these threads.
I bet you can't.

>>54718407
Tax doesn't fix conscripts. They're still too efficient point for point. Brimstones can be removed because they don't have morale hax.

Either Conscripts need to go up to 4ppm or Commissars need a massive points hike (like more than double).

>>54718343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQa-to_os94
Second part is on their site behind a paywall

Does anyone have any custom army template I can use? Such as history, notable characters, hero units, etc. If not, what would be the best program to keep my army information in?

>>54718421
GGA put actual effort into improving his painting since the first time he posted his army, they're much more presentable now and his battle reports are fun to read sometimes.

RGA has a gorgeous Vostroyan collection.

>>54718043
maybe find a new store

Does anyone have the pic of tg recommended 40k novels? I had a couple saved on my last phone but it bit the dust.

>>54718459
Who's RGA?
I know a few Vostroyobros but I don't get the acronym.

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>>54717922

Just just finished this one. The lenses are painted, but it doesn't show on my picture for whatever reason.

>>54718308
Tyranids are in a good place right now, much better than 6/7th. I'd say the best way to get started is the Start Collecting then a Squad of Gant/Gaunts and that nets you enough for a Patrol Detachment

>>54718473
Legion is pretty good

>>54718421
Their armies are fully painted and they consistently play games. The only other players that do that are Ad Mech players. Everyone else seems to talk about Marines and doesn't seem to play.

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PAINT

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>>54718399
>Buffs everywhere, points cuts everywhere, some better stratagems than SM, like 3 of the Legion traits are insanely good, psychic powers are all amazing

Not even a chaos player but the timing of this event is sounding more and more like horseshit

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>>54718091
>>54718109

>>54717975
>Angron model
>Now there's three plastic variants of fucking bloodthirsters
Meanwhile, the Great Unclean one is stuck with two resin blobs.

>>54718466
You live in a place with multiple stores?! I'm so fucking jealous.

>>54718495
I'll give you fully but you're fucked if you call that painted well.

>>54718483
Red Guard Anon? I'm pretty sure that's what they call him. Maybe I'm mixing up two different guardfags.

>>54718484
Looks nice supplementing a night lord list or just starting one?

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>>54718394
Considering the awfully rude things uttered by those quaint upstart Imperium fellas, I find it only right and proper that the weeds be pulled before they spread all across my garden.
>Being morally flexible excusable.
>Being a dick is not.

>>54718261
>Dark eldar are so lewd, they even have vaginas on their foreheads

>>54718522
That's exactly why I specified "fully". I also respect people who actually go out and play. Too many people sit behind math and theory and bitch and moan, but don't really have any experience.

>>54718523
Yeah no that dude is pure cadian. Also shit at painting. Maybe that's not your opinion.

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>>54718023
>Ms.Fortune
>Not Eliza, the local blood goddess

>>54718547
No son, that's ;T'a"u%' you're thinking of

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>>54718402
Neat

>>54718279
From all the frequent visitors of our lgs

All the easily identified Autists play atleast one flavour of Chaos, because that is what they find cool

All the Imperium Players are mostly chill dudes
MFW I play Chaos too and have to hear their constant whining about not having Primaris and Imperium being too Pushed because they cant beat guard with their incoherent list of poorly kitted out Helbrutes and tactical Marines (admittedly IG is super buff right now)

Kinda need to feel Ashamed to be playing Chaos but I do it for big daddy slaanesh

That being said which Chaos God has the most Autists in their Playerbase?

My bet is on Tzeentch

>>54718523
Yeah it's someone else. It's the guy who uses yeti models as Ogryn. He has a really nicely painted army.

>>54718258
Well, I'll reserve my final judgment for when we know what the melee weapons cost, but so far this seems breathtakingly good.
You can tweak them for whatever you want them to do. 3 Bolters 2 Blight Launchers or 2 Bolters 3 Plasma Guns for dakka squads, 2 Plague Flamers, 2 Flails with their roll-over and then a bunch of double-knives for anti-horde, a whole squad of Axes and Blight Launchers to chew through elite units... I see possibilities. The Cleavers seem underwhelming so far and the Mace/Axe loadout is likely to be overcosted, but those and a Fist on the Champ and some Meltaguns might make for a terrific vehicle-fucking squad.
And all this comes on top of Icons of Despair having their range doubled to 6" AND that points drop for the unit. Hoo boy.

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So I'm rebuilding my army for 8th and am toying around with Yarrick. He's 130 points - same as a Leman Russ - which seems a bit over the top for an IG character.

On the plus side, though, he has a 6" aura that lets the IG player reroll 1s to hit, both shooting and in melee, and he counts as a commissar so that saves you 30 points you were spending anyway.

As the rules are written now, Yarrick sitting behind 2x 50-man conscript platoons gives buffs to all their shooting, and you can put 3x LR punishers or executioners behind him so that they all reroll 1s, as well. Interestingly enough, if the tanks move and suffer -1 to their hit rolls, the 2s they roll also become 1s and get rerolled (right? I think that's how it works).

What do you guys think? Does this approach make the 130 point investment worth it?

>>54718402
Now put them all in a gif.

>>54718503
It's planned so that Imperials win and move the story in the direction GW wants. Playing and recording Fate of Konor games changes as much as voting for political parties / candidates.

>>54718258
Wait, no independent DG codex?

>>54718520
4 within driving distance.

all have at least 10 regular players.

I wanna get into chaos space marines but don't wanna buy the start collecting because I don't want a terminator lord, I just want a normal one, and don't want a fleshnaught either, what should I do instead?

>>54718580
So then what's the other guy's gimmick?

>>54718568
What won't Blood Ravens steal?

>>54718512
The FW's resin blob is a pretty glorious one though...

>>54718402
It's a shame there's no Hive Tyrant one where he has to skewer the cup with his Scything Talon

>>54718596
Nope, it got cancelled.

>>54718434
I don't see why forcing a player to include roughly double the points doesn't fix the problem. It is not like 1 or 2 squads can't be dealt with. We just need to keep people from Fielding 300 conscripts.

As for commissars being nerfed, I think people just need to start using snipers

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>>54718589
>>54718402
no
>put them all in your gf
For Slaneesh

>>54718596
DG is getting a dex, but CSM can also take plague marines so they need a stat and gearline for this book too.

>>54718615
Bitch don't toy with my plague ridden heart.

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>>54718000
Does Urist count?
I'm pretty fucking sure Urist should count.
Who else will fight to the death with absolutely no armor, no weapons, and no chance of victory?
Who else will weaponize socks and tiny, fluffy vermin to decapitate their enemies?
Who else will give birth in the middle of battle and weaponize their own child?
Who else will wear their child as living, bleeding armor?
Who else uses perpetual motion machines to power cannons that fling corpses at their enemies?
Who else will farm mermaids and murder their children for bones?
Who else has to stop, think, and come to the conclusion that they're setting their own children on fire at the wrong time?

No one but an Urist.

>>54718586
I've used him and he's absolutely worth it. He's very resistant and the aoe buff he provides is fantastic.

>the 2s they roll also become 1s and get rerolled (right? I think that's how it works).
Oh wow, you might be right. I didn't think of that. That is how it works. That's so dumb. I hate it for plasma and I hate it for buffing me too. It's stupid.

Just played my first two games. My Orks vs Primaris marines. Skull fucked them both times.

Some questions:.

Can I attach my warboss and/or painboy to a mob of Boyz somehow? Both games his Boyz advanced way further than him and left him behind until they got to combat when he finally caught up.

Can the Primaris marines with the plasma guns reroll 1s to hit when near captain even if using the supercharge that kills them if they roll a 1 to hit? Do they still die? How does that work? Can they reroll the 1s in combat?

Why the fuck does the Warboss only have 4 attacks?!

And how awesome are deff dreads? Just turn marines to mulch in cc.

>>54718532
Adding to I suppose. I've had night lords for a long while now, but I just haven't sat down and painted shit. Not counting the termies here, I have like 5 fully painted dudes with another 5 or so that are based. Need to get off my ass.

>>54718606
If you don't want Death Guard, then I suggest buying either Betrayal at Calth or Burning of Prospero.

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>>54718608
My heart and Immortal soul.

>>54718625
Scared me there for a minute.
Squad morale restored.

Does anyone know of any alternative chaos cultists models?
Need more troops now that my berzerkers are no longer troops, and GW cultits are horrible

>>54718564
I still can't believe the shivered old hag won popular vote over the cuteness that is fishcunt. That aside - Khorned doesn't care for as long as the blood flows. And there's only one that can keep bleeding indefinitely. If memory serves, it's even a point in Eliza's storymode that she captures the cat as her personal blood fountain.

>>54718648
But anon, what if they steal (You)?

>>54718586

>130 points to buff shooting done by bubble wrap
>Using yarrick to reroll 1s on Punishers instead of Pask

If you really want to buff shooting done by conscripts, use Harker.
If you want to buff shooting done by tanks, Pask.
For both, use Yarrick.

>>54718580
Yeah, okay, that guy. I love him. My bad mixing them up.

GGA is pretty cool too though.

>>54718522
not everyone can paint well

But having a finished army and playing games with it is something everyone should aspire to.

>>54718606
Buy a ten-man CSM box and see if you can get the Dark Vengeance chaos lord from a bitz store?

>>54718586
>You can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifiers (if any) are applied

>>54718635

It's not as broken as you think - even with that reroll, it's still not as good as remaining stationary for a tank. Still, I think it comes to like 48% accuracy when moving, 58% accuracy when stationary.

>>54718656
For World Eaters? Just get a box of AoS Bloodreavers and have done.

>>54718339
Something like a primarch>>54718343

>>54718637
Just leave a daisy chain of boyz stretching back to your characters for buffs

>>54718668
>>54718668
>RGG is first mistaken for a better person then forgotten just as fast.
In havin a sip of my PEACH flavored keks over here

Just used Nurgle's Rot for the first time, lives up to it's name, looks fucking gross

>>54718657
You are correct. Eliza is more in line with Khorne's ideals as a warrior, though. Ms.Fortune is a petty thief.
I just realized that Skullgirls characters would fit into 40k fairly well.

So is fielding Abaddon as integral to Black Legion as fielding Guilliman is to fielding Ultramarines?

>>54718674

Ah, ok. So only natural 1s get rerolled. Does that mean only natural 1s count as overheats, too, or moving tanks twice as likely to overheat?

>>54718685
Bloodreavers are just waay too beefy for a S/T 3 model

>>54718622
>As for commissars being nerfed, I think people just need to start using snipers
Not points efficient because Commissars are too cheap.

Guard brings enough firepower to wipe snipers before they can accomplish anything.

Commissars are trivially easy to hide out of LoS while still providing their buffs.

Not every Faction has access to snipers.

If you invest too many points in snipers you lose to the conscripts even after you kill the commissar because you don't have enough anti-horde, or you lose to the artillery because you don't have enough anti-tank.

It's just not viable.

>>54718614
Any drawfags in here?

>>54718688
Who?

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>>54718603

>>54718666
I have enough (You)s for everyone.
If they want it, they can have it.

>>54718702
Pretty much. Without Abby, Black Legion are just CSM with a sub-par Legion Trait. With him, they're a fine-tuned engine of destruction.

>>54718687

So no then? I didn't want to daisy chain in a friendly game with a stranger.

>>54718702
Yeah because their Legion tactic is ass, but it's basically a free bonus to their real Legion tactic which is "we have Abaddon". He got simultaneously buffed AND dropped in points too.

>>54718670
That the dude with the sword in the ground and the plasma pistol? I could make that work, I'll take a look, thanks

>>54718646
An absolute shitton of marines and terminators? wow, and I basically just throw the imperial stuff to whoever wants them and just build the thirty as traitor marines and call it a day? apparently they mis-labeled which one was "start collecting", thanks

>>54718710
unfortunately no, they even made it the example for how to use the Night Lords stratagem which reduces 1 from the roll

>>54718712
Eh. A lot of people make them work. I mean, you could use normal Chaos Marauders, but those are so ancient they make the Chaos Cultists look gorgeous.
Alternatively, if you want them to have autoguns, just buy some IG Infantry and paint their armour red.

>>54718710
Modifiers apply when overheating. So yeah moving tanks makes them more likely to overheat.

>>54718648
Can Blood Ravens literally steal their enemies?

>>54718609
I't's not a bad model, but the fact that both Khorne and Tzeentch now have two variants of their greater daemons in plastic, whole Nurgle, the current chaos god in focus, has none, is a bit annoying. All of that said, I do love all of the Glottkin conversions people have been doing.

>>54718421
We have more than one? I only know one. Someone list them for me?

>>54718339
M7 BS2+ WS2+ S6 T5 A5 W6 LD10 SV2+

Weapons: Bolt pistol, Double-barrelled Shotgun, Chainsaw, Leather Boots

Bolt pistol: PISTOL 1 12" S4 AP 0 D1
Double-Barrelled Shotgun: ASSAULT 2D6 15" S6 AP0 D1 This weapon hits automatically
Chainsaw: CCW S+2 AP-2 D D3
Leather Boots: CCW S USER AP-4 D D1 This weapon can only be used once per fight phase and one of Doomguy's base attacks must be Leather Boots

Special Rules:
Rip and Tear - Doomguy hates Daemons, and has done ever since the fateful days of the Mars Daemonic Incursion. During the shooting phase, Doomguy may reroll misses vs <Daemons>. During the assault phase, Doomguy may add +D6 to his charge roll and may declare a charge to a unit that is outside of the 12" charge phase, providing he is declaring a charge against <Daemons>. During the assault phase, Doomguy may add +1 to his toughness characteristic if attacking or being attacked by <Daemons>.

UAC Teleporter:
Doomguy has access to highly advanced teleportation technology that humbles even the most coveted of Imperial technologies. Doomguy may set up in reserve then teleport to battle at any time. Doomguy can move and shoot as normal, with -1 to movement, shooting and weapon skill until the start of your next turn.

UAC Med Pack:
At the start ofany phase, both yours or your opponents, and if Doomguy is missing any wounds, you can choose to roll a dice. On a 2+ Doomguy recovers all lost wounds. This ability can only be used once per battle. If you wish to reroll this ability, you must pay 2CP to do so.

>>54718637
>Can I attach my warboss and/or painboy to a mob of Boyz somehow? Both games his Boyz advanced way further than him and left him behind until they got to combat when he finally caught up.
NOPE. Maybe something in the codex will allow it, but currently your rolling those advance rolls separately, and I also know what it's like when the boyz outpace the boss.

>>54718789
>but the fact that both Khorne and Tzeentch now have two variants of their greater daemons in plastic, whole Nurgle, the current chaos god in focus, has none, is a bit annoying.
I wouldn't worry too much about that before the brilliant new Death Guard releases if I were you.

>>54718258
>not naming the flamer variants phlegm-throwers

>>54718836
Slaanesh when?

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>>54718656

>>54718836
Can we get a hint at the new IG releases?

>>54718789
DG are getting a Daemon Primarch, they're getting new terminators, a new GUO model with variant, a new artillery vehicle, and a few other goodies.

DG have been long overdue this level of love.

>>54718893
Conscript models 10 models for $60

>>54718250
Jesus Fucking Christ.

Boy, get your ass to Duncan Rhodes videos now.

>>54718623
>removing the Faggot part

Fuck you, I'm the original creator and I hate this alteration of my work

Do you think we'll get a proper new race or just another offshoot of an existing faction like Skitarii were to the Imperium or Ynnari were to Eldar.

>>54718867
I can't give you a date but I heard a whisper from a certain guy who may have seen some stuff being worked on in the studio... we'll just have to wait and see together.

>>54718893
IG will not be left forgotten this edition. That's all I've got.

>>54718637

Does anyone know the answer to the plasma question?

>>54718931
Your work is homophobic and has no place in today's progressive society.

I am being sarcastic, but it's legit why it was removed. Which is sad.

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>>54718943
Necron pariahs

>>54718976
Fuck that bullshit, I'm a faggot myself and I'm the original artist

>>54718228
Chaos were overpowered as fuck in 3rd edition. GW rightfully nerfed the fuck out of them and chaos players have been salty ever since.

>>54718965
Who's your favorite named Guardfag?

>>54718977
By God, I'd almost forgotten...

>>54718637
>Can the plasma guns reroll 1s to hit when near captain even if using the supercharge
yes

everyone and their dog noticed the overcharge+re-roll synergy

>>54718250
Good start m8! Some washes and some highlighting and your guy will be ripping and ah tearing!

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>>54718943
Space Dorfs soon.

It's a weird world we're in. It's past 2015,
no hoverboards, no self-lacing shoes, & Squats are in AoS. I like some of these Forgefather models.

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So with the stratagems being revealed as nothing to scoff at so far, would you say that the value of command points is going to be much higher? As in, would you consider bringing some sub-optimal troops to fill in the requirements of the detachments that provide a lot of them, such as battalion and brigade? Do you think that stratagems for the armies such as the guard that can fill those requirements more easily will be balanced around their ability to do so?

>>54718966
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary.pdf
This should help you out!

"Q: When making a hit roll with a supercharged plasma
weapon, do you determine whether a ‘1’ was rolled
before or after applying re-rolls and modifiers?

A: You apply all re-rolls and modifiers first.
For example, if, after re-rolls and modifiers, the final result
is then a 1 (or counts as a 1, as explained above), then the
supercharged plasma weapon injures or kills the firer."

>>54718571
Autism ranking is
Tzeentch
Slannesh
Khorne
Undivided
Nurgle.

Nurglefags are just lazy

>>54719049
I want to argue with that ranking, but there's no point in denying a single letter of it

>>54719049
>Nurglefags are just lazy
I can attest - I've only actually finished painting ONE plague marine from Dark Imperium and some I've not even cut from the sprue. And I bought that shit day fucking one lmao

>>54719043
>rerolls and mods first

But the entire question is which to apply first, the reroll or the modifier. If you roll a 2 and add the modifier, then reroll, it becomes a 1 and then gets rerolled. If you roll a 2 and reroll before mods, it's not a 1 and therefore does not get rerolled, but then gets reduced to a 1.

>>54719049
What about Malal?

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>>54718994
Yea, another faggot reporting in, I call myself and my friends faggots all the time, most of which who are somewhere on the spectrum.

>>54719098
Copyrighted tier autism.

>>54719093
"Q: If a rule or ability grants a re-roll on, for example,
‘hit rolls of 1’ (such as a Space Marine Captain’s Rites
of Battle ability) does that effect trigger before or after
applying modifiers to the hit rolls?

A: Re-rolls always happen before modifiers, so the re-roll
ability is triggered before applying modifiers.
For example, let’s imagine a Space Marine (Ballistic Skill 3+)
moves and fires a heavy bolter (a Heavy 3 weapon) whilst
within range of a Space Marine Captain’s Rites of Battle ability
(allowing you to re-roll hit rolls of 1).
The hit dice are rolled and result in a 1, 2 and 5.
Re-rolls are applied before modifiers. In this example a single
dice is re-rolled because of the Captain’s ability, this time
resulting in a 3.
Modifiers are applied after re-rolls. In this example there is
a -1 modifier to the hit rolls for moving and firing a Heavy
weapon. That means that the post-re-roll scores of 2, 3 and 5
are modified to 1, 2 and 4. Comparing the final results to the
model’s Ballistic Skill, only one shot hits the target."

In your example the weapon would overheat. I hope that helps.

>>54719104
Reminder that Lucina ain't all that great.

>>54719093
the modifiers usually say "may" so you could say you dont take the modifier then reroll the 1 then on that roll you "may" pick the modifier from my understanding

>>54719120
Alright not GW give us the sweet sweet spoilers m8.

>>54719104
The worst day of my life was when my group found out I was gay so stopped calling each other faggot, I miss that word, fuck

>>54718801
Need a rule where you get +4 attacks if you play some instrumental metal music in the fight phase

>>54717874
can you advance and use a flamer? i think you can?

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>>54719134
>Implying I dont agree with you and just thought the gif was cute

>>54719145
I've already said more than I should today! We'll talk again when the Death Guard are releasing. :)

>>54719146

Your friends sound like faggots.

>>54719104
Quite frankly i find it fascinating people think its homophobic when i call something gay as an insult but they themselves don't use it in its original meaning either.
I can understand wanting to keep a word's original definition but this is crazy to just stop at one arbitrary definition and refuse to budge.

>>54719160
>that doujin
gentle affectionate teasing is best thing since sliced bread

>>54719120
I really fucking hate how that is ruled. It should just be a -1 to your BS. Moving and firing a heavy weapon becomes BS4+ instead of BS3+. The way it currently is confuses everyone and creates a lot of arguing.

>>54719049
In my LGS the Chart may be inverted completely and I believe one Nurgle player deliberately doesnt wash himself or his clothes anymore

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>>54719146
I mean I get it for some people, I didn't really realize where I fell until I was like 19 just because I'll fuck anybody, and I blend in enough with The Straights that I don't have a lot of the negative associations with the word that other folks do. Plus my parents wouldn't care even if they knew. But I feel you dude, I just let people know I'm chill with it.

>>54719187
I totally disagree. I've played many games including things like card games and the way it works now is the most sensible way and similar to other games.

>>54719040
>balanced

Ah ha ha ha no. Guard will just be good this edition

>>54719205
Wrong.

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>>54719195
why

>>54719168
Absofuckinglutely

Kind of a shame that I'm afraid of starting a harlequin army because that might seem like some fruity gay shit though and then the word "eldar" might become taboo as well

>>54719015

I was more just making sure that particular piece of bullshit was legit since it's so stupidly good.

>>54719178
It's a reclamation of language thing, I still kinda raise a brow when people do that because it's tired and there's better words you can say aside from 'gay'.

I don't really use faggot as an insult, it's like a term of friendly endearment. Kind of like when you call your friend a shithead playfully. It's like nigga, it's just you can't just look at someone and say 'yea he checks out as gay or some variation therein' so people get less flack for it.

>>54719146
I used to call my obese friend Saturated Matt (his name was Matthew), and Tyranid since all he did was want to eat everything in sight. He called me Blossom since I was a VERY late bloomer and still have no chest hair.

The best shit to call your best friends is shit that's personal. If you can't call your gay friend Corey the Cock Coveter, then you aren't real friends.

Could anyone link me to the Dark Vengeance Crimson Slaughter rules pdf? Pretty pretty please with Duncans on top?

>>54719220
Oh shit, i thought you were replying to something else. The applying after rerolls part is stupid, it should apply both before and after. My objection is to the idea it should just alter BS/WS though, most games have modifiers alter the result not the skill.

>>54717937
>>54718278
[email protected]

>>54719262
Oh i understand you are using it as a term of endearment, your use of faggot and my use of gay are only similar in the sense they depart from the use of the previous generation the same way the previous generation's use departs from one further back.

>>54718714
Well I still see this as conscripts are good but nothing is antihorde thus making them great.

Hence my tax idea plus we need to fix anti horde weapons.

>>54719120

This the thing that makes it confusing. Every answer to this question uses a different example than the obvious one people want an answer to.

I'd love to see it just say, 'yes, you can reroll the one, making your plasma 6 times more reliable and basically making the overheating rule pointless.'

>>54719205
>ok so I have a -1 to hit, so i hit on 4+
>oh I rolled a bunch of threes
>but I can re-roll misses!
>wait I can't because they didn't miss
>didn't hit even though I had re-rolls to misses but the misses actually hit but then they missed
>wait what
simble and sensible

>>54719299
Personally i think the real solution is to remove morale immunity completely from the game. Commisars should execute one man to give +5 leadership or something like that, not immunity.

>>54719299
Then again I am not a WAAC fag guardsman, I just like having 1 30-40 man conscript blob and I don't want GW to punish me because of WAAC fags.

>>54719332
Yeah see >>54719272
I didn't read up the reply chain it was the assertion that it should modify BS i was objecting to.

>>54719272
Altering BS/WS is objectively clearer and requires less thought, which is the whole point of 8th. When you apply it to BS/WS, you do 1 piece of math. When you have to apply it to rolls you have to do each roll individually and say "4 becomes a 3, 5 becomes a 4". People speed it up by essentially rolling it as -1 to BS/WS, but it gets messier when it applies to Plasma weapons and other weapons that cause mortal wounds on 1. That's much easier to fuck up than just applying it to WS/BS,

>>54719187
>>54719319
You're not the first person to feel this way. The gents on the design team think this is the best way to handle it right now, but I'm told they are always on the lookout for feedback. If a better method presents itself in the future there could be changes, I say keep an out out for the Chapter Approved book this winter. No promises they'll change this particular issue but it's going to be a fun update to look forward to regardless. The new edition of the General's Handbook coming out this month for Age of Sigmar should give you an idea of how much things can improve!

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>>54719049
>mfw I've painted 50 plaguebearers and 6 nurglings from when I was mainly AOS but planning an incursion army for 7th
>mfw each unit of plaguebearers is a unique colour and nurglings come in 5 different colours present in each swarm
>mfw lazy (to be fair I play DEldar in 40k since I never got into it before 8th dropped and my tastes changed)

>>54719335
Fair enough but that doesn't always work.

If I bring a primaris psyker to cast psykic barrier, I can give the conscripts a 4+ save which makes them a great shield.

I will say I'm afraid that GW will nerf them so hard the this games power creep will render them useless within the year.

>>54719420
I'm worried about that too. If that happens I will have to switch over to infantry squad spam for melee Guard.

>>54718512
Granted it's harder to tell what is an air bubble and what isn't when it comes to Nurgers.

>>54719152
If its just a regular flamer? Sure, since its assault.

If its a heavy flamer then no.

>>54719299
They should make it so that Damage is treated as wounds to all <Infantry> models in units of 10 or more models. It's retarded that a vindicator shell can kill only one Conscript with an unlucky roll.

Or they should just change the way Characters work. You should be able to pick them out if they are not within 6 inches of another <Infantry> unit of 5 or more models. And that character must share at least 3 keywords with that unit.

>>54719049
There's two Khornefags in my store.

One is super chad, tall, mixed race, slim.

One is autism incarnate.

Makes you think.

>>54719447

Heavy Flamers are assault weapons.

>>54718439

Excel

>>54719432
when guard get a codex, going detachment-spam guard for maximum command points will likely be the move

god knows what kind of strategems they'll end up getting

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>>54719466
>>54719466
???

Trying again. What would be the best loadout for a chaos Leviathan Dreadnought ?

I was thinking maybe double Ribaudkin or Ribaudkin + Siege Drill to benefit from the Regen in close combat thing.

>>54717958
>t. Triggered guard namefag

>>54719494
>???
???

>>54719466
>HEAVY flamers

>>54719447
>>54719466

Nvm, my brain is wired backwards.

>>54719517
>>54719512
Doesnt matter. As long as you dont advance, it automatically hits so the heavy designation doesnt matter.

>>54719466
They were Assault in 7th Ed.

>>54718150
>First gay chapter master introduced
>What is Azrael?

>>54717928

They're 3ppm.

You're playing 6000 point games?

>>54719517
There was this one person you could always get a hilarious (but honest) rant out of when you mentioned the fact that Heavy flamers were Assault, and Assault Cannons were Heavy. He could just not get over the difference in name and effect, brilliant.

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>>54718150
>One codex is currently out
>9th edition predictions

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Is it normal to only collect for your initial armies? I started out with two and built them up over time, but everyone I play with seems to only ever gather more armies. The only person with less armies than me is the kid who just started a couple of weeks ago.

>>54718402
share is care

>>54719554
>Claims based upon blurry screencap that Brimstoned Horrors are now 1 point are proven false

Should have seen that coming really ... Oh well, the meme was funny for the short period that it lasted.

>>54719577
pretty normal

>>54719577
It's totally normal. Some people like to have bigger collections of the one army they love the most, other people can't stay away from every new shiny release. Don't worry about it.

>>54719577
There's nothing wrong with it. I've even reached the point where I'm happy with the armies that I have and what's in them. Basically I'm the worst GW customer right now, I only buy paints.

>>54719591
They're not only 3ppm now, but their smite only deals 1 Mortal Wound instead of D3 unless you have 10 or more Pink Horrors in the unit.

>>54719559
Did you also remember to introduce him to Rapid Fire Battle Cannon (Ordnance 2)?

>>54719577
As a painter-first-wargamer-second type faggot, I get fatigue if I spend too many days painting the same shit. My shit looks good but it hardly ever gets done.

So I worked it out, and you can stack a -6 penalty to leadership with the new chaos codex and the deathguard index. What's the best way to take advantage of Absolute Terror?

>>54719659
Shoot someone with a Butcher cannon for another -2

>>54719644
Don't feel bad, I have a massive CSM army and Ive never played a game of 40k or plan to

>>54719270
Bump.

Please? I can't find it in the mega.

>>54719674
Hot damn.

>>54719659
Rape Necron blobs and prevent them from reanimating.

>>54719659
>>54719674
>>54719695
Then charge with a Spawn for -9
Have a Furie be nearby, they kill an additional model whenever morale is failed

>>54719464
Again it's a lack of anti horde not the conscripts. All battle cannon type weapons should base their number of shots off of the size of the target unit.

>>54719559
Weapons that have Rapide fire, Heavy and Assault in their name do not always much their stats

>>54719698
Killing Necrons is hard?
I have never had a problem killing them in 7th or 8th

>>54719729
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

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>>54719683
?

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Hey, thinking about running a sororitas army made out of the new raging heroes releases. I don't have the codex yet, but I'm thinking:

Outrier Force Org

HQ - Celestine and two helpers
Elites - Two Imagifiers
Fast Attack - 3x5 Flamer Dominions in Flamer Immolators, 30 Seraphim with meltapistols
Heavy Support - 2x10 Multi-Melta Retributors in repressors

How viable is this list? My plan is to have the domnions scout ahead, then disembark in the first movement phase 3 inches forward, move forward along with their immolator. With their 8inch range they should be able to catch an enemy unit with their flamers and do a fair amount of damage, which is then worsened if they're assaulted (overwatch). The retributors will be deployed on the flanks with the imagifiers, creating two big bubbles that can toast anything big on their halves of the board. Celestine and the Seraphim would jump in to troubleshoot anything that proved difficult.

>>54719761
That's the one, but I'm looking for the full thing.

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I came back after a long hiatus because 8th edition seemed like it fixed a lot of problems I had with the game. One thing that upset me was how Chaos Cultists were sold in boxes of 5 and their unit sizes were so large. I was looking on the GW website and I came across this.

WTF is the aspiring champion doing in this blob of cultists? I looked in the Chaos Index and I saw nothing that could explain. Is there something I am missing that lets you put a CSM model in a cultist unit?

>>54718258
the axe n mace combo seems really stupidly written
like what is the point of having these two weapons together? they dont have a combined profile and dont compliment each other at all
youre basically taking the weaker weapon as a tax to get the stronger one (and get +1a i think)

dunno why they wont let you take just the mace

i feel like these weapons either have to be stupid cheap or made stupid strong to be considered taking on 1/2A models

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>>54717874

How many HWT lascannons is enough?

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Goddamn, Fire Prisms are so overpriced for their RNG cannon. It feels like lance is the only mode to use, or you risk dealing fuck all damage.

>>54719768
Its an old option.

>>54719781
You ask the question wrong.
The question is more lascannon? the answer is yes.

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Which books do I need to play Rogue Trader (1st Edition) 40K? Were certain books outdated or made redundant during the life of that edition of the game?

>>54719781
Every game I use them in, they get shot so fast. I need more. I think I can have 6 with what I have currently. I need more HWTs in general. I want Heavy Bolters and Mortars to hold objectives and Lascannons and Missiles for anti-tank.

>>54719768
Could use the champ model as the Exalted Champion option in the new CSM Codex.

could I play my own space marine army using ultramarine chapter tactics and roboute guilliman...but use the 30k magnus model as guilliman instead? putting him on the same size base of course.

>>54719704
I was already included possessed I think.

It's -3 from night lords
-1 from possessed
-1x2 from different deathguard debuffs

>>54717984
Daily reminder that Gift of Chaos is going to absolutely blow Conshits the fuck out instantly AND result in them taking -1 LD in the same turn from the Chaos Spawn that their Commshitsar turned into.

How the FUCK can Conshits even compete?

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>>54719715
>+D6 shots for every 10 models in the unit
>basilisks and battle cannons rolling 6D6 shots against conscripts

>>54719837
Isn't there a psychic ability that modifies morale?

Alpha Legion Plague Marines seems amusingly viable.

>>54719754
I meant it has been a thing in 40k as long as I can remember

>>54719837
possessed dont modify Ld

>>54719877
oops, spawn i mean.

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Chaos Cataphractii terminators when?

>>54719818
Mortars are not so good really, better just get proper artillery or more infantry squads.

>>54719853
Good luck getting within 6" of a bubblewrapped Commissar in order to cast it.

It is literally impossible against a good player in a real game until you've already killed so many conscripts the commissar doesn't matter anymore.

>>54719875
You didn't even remotely imply this is what you meant.

>>54718943
To be fair, Skitarii were hardly an "Imperium offshoot", Admech are very much their own army even if they're a unit selection is a tad small and the players a tad sad at their new boring and poor powered rules. Ynnari is three special characters and an ability swap, Admech is a whole new model line that is rather different than anything else in the game. Hell, most don't even LIKE the Imperium.


Only so much fun can be had with Kastelans and Dunecrawlers, and all those basic Skitarii who used to be excellent and fun are now crappy and dull to use even once you've paid the crippling HQ tax to get them. We're still good, we just lack the flair and most of the effectiveness we once had since all the amalgamation of minor rules we needed to cover our unit selection holes are gone, due to not being dubbed"Integral to the faction". We should have something like Battle Focus, dammit, Dunestrider should be as before and a plethora of other minor things.

>>54719884
They aren't great, but that's why they are objective holders. They are out of sight and 27 points. I use those and Heavy Bolters in place of infantry squads to hold things, since Infantry squads are basically shit.

>>54719882
>>54719882
Raptors are -1 anon and you have night lords

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>>54719513

>>54719883
Probably September but only for Death Guard.

For someone just getting into the hobby, would you recommend a 5 man squad of Hellblasters with the plasma incinerators of a decked out Predator?

I'm mostly asking to get a feeling for what makes more sense on the table.

>>54718630
lol don't believe loyalist propaganda

>>54719359
Whilst on the face of it its clearer, it becomes much less interactive when faced with things like etherium etc and +1 to BS would make BS 3 to 4, doing a "-1 is a good thing" is a terrible idea only ever done by the worst of games. The idea of +1s and -1s applying to things like plasma explosions also adds a lot of interesting interactivity such as the nurgle spell virulent blessing giving +1 to wound and allowing you to get double damage on 7+ now if it just allowed you to get double damage on six (remember +1/-1 would not fit cleanly into strength and WS/BS the same way if you use any other system than the current one) you would miss out on potential synergistic combos with other things that grant +1 to wound. The game would be made worse.

>>54717874
>uk
>not uganda,hong kong, and kislev

>>54719911
It's kinda amazing how you can tell that Helbrute used to be this thing until it mutated.

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For Chaos!

>>54719954
Did someone unload nothing but Soul Grinders?

>>54719954
>marinelets can only compete with a force that they vastly outnumber while that force lacks a codex

Hahahaha, this event is proving to be enlightening.

>>54719914
Can't even do the god damn 4++ because of changes to marks and icons

>>54719911
You mean the Butcher array ? Isn't the Ribaudkin better in most situations ? Can't say no to auto mortal wounds.

also, bump >>54719513

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>>54719883
>in the fluff Chaos have access to more exotic and powerful ancient weaponry due to them being from the Horus Heresy
>in the game they get sweet FUCK ALL compared to Space Marines

>>54719828
So is the Exalted Champion just the chaos equivalent to the Emperor's Champion?

>>54719766
>2x10 Multi-Melta Retributors in repressors
They can only go up to 4 per squad

>>54719766
>Imagifiers
Why?
No one in your list can actually use them. Since everyone moves faster or is inside a transport

Here is a less a better idea. Melta Dominions in Repressors 12"+D6 before turn one. Then 12" your turno for an effective melta threat range from turn one of 36"+D6 you can even have some BBS in there with Storm Bolter if you do don't wish to risk the turn one movement so you can dakka while on the move.
Flamers are rather shit for SoB they are expensive and need to be within 8 to work properly. (3 Storm Bolter and power maul cost 10 a single flamer 9)
Dominions or Battle Sisters squads are way better with meltas or Storm Bolters the last one work wonderfully in MSU BSS. They can work as a shooting squad or close range rapid fire dakka support
If you really want Retribution give them heavy bolter. With a single imagifiers and maybe a Canoness.

>>54720005
I know, 10 sisters in a repressor, 4 multi-meltas to a squad is what I meant

>>54719255
Regularly call harlequins "gay space elves" amongt my group. Store owner had a go at us once saying he was worried about kids hearing, and my mate just shouts down to the counter "kids are little poofter shits though"

>>54718693
And I just realized that I backed the science fish in both settings.

>>54719976
There is a Death Guard Cataphractii unit on the way that will have 4++ and Disgustingly Resilient.

>>54719863

Yes, but I don't think CSM have access to it.

>>54720035
>being this insecure

>>54719974
The UK is the only place where they have an advantage.

Bulk of that is coming from the "NPC factions", though. So I'm not really sure what chaos has to be smug about.

>>54718016
I don't want to hear it. Consider 2CP his Warlord trait if you like.

Can someone clear this up for me? I dug my old models out and have 18 thousand sons. 16 rubrics and two sorcerors. The old conversion kit only came with 8 rubric heads.
Now with this power level shit, it's one cost for up to 10 models and you need 10 models for the soul reaper anyways.
The fuck is that. They essentially invalidated old models because I'm two rubrics behind because they decided new boxes should have ten, not 9 guys.
Am I missing something?

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>>54720079
>being fae

>>54720099
Just demand that you play points, either that or proxy but points hurts the soul less

>>54720114
Are points listed in the index?

>>54719926
Wrong again. It's not confusing at all when you're faced with, "I have +1 BS and your unit gives me -1 BS". It's the same as before any buffs or debuffs were applied. It's over all much simpler, streamlined, and less confusing and stupid.

As stated earlier, the current method is objectively worse.

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EMPEROR'S CHILDREN DAEMON PRINCE WARLORD IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
ENEMY FORCES JUST HAVE A BAD TIME

Loadout: Daemon Prince of Slaanesh, Wings, Pair of Claws, Warp Bolter = 7S 7A
Intoxicating Elixir Relic: +1S, +1A
Self-Cast Diabolic Strength: +2S, +1A
Emperor's Children Warlord Trait: +3A
Herald of Slaanesh Aura: +1S
Exalted Champ nearby: Reroll all Wound rolls
DP Self Aura: Reroll hit rolls of 1
Total: Hit on 2s, Wound almost everything in the game on 2, Reroll all failed hits and wounds, 12 attacks at AP -2, 2 damage each. FLY, can charge and attack airborne flyers. If you consolidated into more enemies last turn? Have the Herald of Slaanesh cast Hysterical Frenzy for an extra fight phase.

So the question is, how can your """army""" even compete?

>>54720085
>you will never be a chaos player who sucks off ynnari players underneath the gametable for those sweet sweet points
>a tau player will never spit in your face and make you call him daddy

Is taking 3 macharius vulcans considered mean?

>>54719982
They may port over some stuff from 30k at some point. In the meantime you have a perfect fluff excuse to use FW goodies from the index.

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soo about the black legion legion trait...

in what situations does that even come into play in a useful way?
you bolter becomes assault 1 soo you can advance and shoot it.. once.. cause rapid fire 1 become assault 1
the intention seems to be that they want to close in and shoot, but the rules implementation is so bad that it actually punishes you for doing that cause yes you get closer, but you cant doubletap

basically this comes into play only when you start 30+ inches away and need that run to get into range

what am i missing?

>>54719371

I'm not saying the rule is bad, I think it's fine and in line with a lot of the other faction's buffs.

I just wish the FAQ didn't try to pretend they didn't know exactly why people were asking and answered that particular synergy directly instead of giving an overarching answer which you then have to interpret.

Just make it a two part questio and answer.

Q. Do you apply modifiers and rerolls before or after?

A. Before.

Q. Even for the Primaris Captain's reroll when using plasma weapons?

A. Yes.