Paizo Games General /pgg/

what do you need to get the vizier storm cannon thing up and running? i'm looking at the rajah which is pretty awesome except for the half BAB thing and wondering if you can just feat the guns into it and be good to go

What strength should a ranged Soldier have? Can I stick with 10 and ignore heavy weapons? When are weapons getting leaked?

>>54716842
You don't need the full BAB unless you want to be a full attack babby

Attacking through Vassalage gives you a huge to-hit boost

What falls under "Misc Mod" for Saves, Attack Bonuses, and Armor Class in Starfinder?

Is it the same as regular Pathfinder or did they change/update/remove some bonuses?

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>>54716851
>ignoring heavy weapons
What are you? A pinko?

>>54716851
You might want to at least go with a 12 or so to make sure you can carry more gear. You're gonna want a lot of weapons to switch in and out, for energy types, ranges, and so on. Never hurts to be able to carry more stuff.

>>54716730
Posed for a nude statue in full-view of an entire noble court to keep our cover.

>>54717053
Most characters are at the very least in shape. That's not so bad.

>Multiple campaign ideas
>Only enough time to run one
aaaaaaAAAAAA

Leakanon, will you be posting Player's Companion Elemental Master's handbook?

>>54717081
>plenty of time to run
>almost everyone who plays Pathfinder or D&D online is a man-baby faggot looking to get his virtual dick wet

Reposting from old thread


>DM pissed me off
>Kills off my character after misinterpreting something I said.
>Put a lot of hours into developing that character
>Letting me reroll

What's the most broken (but not blatant) build you can think of that can smash through Reign of Winter?

25PB, level 3, DSP allowed aside from PoW, other content tentatively allowed.

>>54717207
Deathless Ghost. True Dragon.

>>54717238
Aside from Monster Classes, I mean. Stuff like Bloodforge is OK as well as Psionics, for example.

>>54717207
Never play a game for spite. You're giving up time to do something you won't enjoy either.
Tell the DM your problems and leave, save yourself the stress.

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LEAKANON POST SOME WEAPONS DADDY

>>54717276
Nah. I'm definitely going to enjoy it if I'm able to break down any of his planned encounters.

>>54716862
i don't have enough targets to get the full boost

>>54717069
But my character was purposefully tiny peen'd because one other member always says that I make characters who are always big implying that I make characters with massive dongs because vicarious enjoyment and fantasy fulfillment and all that usual stuff.

>>54717207
It's time. The stars are right for you to build the Rerollmancer.

2 levels in Iroran Paladin and 1 into DC Oracle is enough to get you started on your path to ensure nothing the GM wants to do ever happens.

>>54717313
You might also enjoy suicide anon.

>>54717347
Anyone who owns nude statues knows not everyone is a throbbing Adonis.

>>54717350
Well this sounds interesting. Got some more info for us?

>>54716851
Follow the elder meme, anon. 14 Strength 18 Dex.

Also recognize you get hefty bonuses at level 5, when you'll be picking up heavy weapons anyway.

>>54717350
>>54717207
Adding to this, you may also try out a pure DC Lunar Oracle build focusing on exploiting Moonlight Bridge. Or mix the two for sufficiently broken results. CHA bonus times per day Wall of Force that lasts for 24 hours? That shit is just ASKING to cockblock some major DM plans.

>>54717389
Well yes, it is know that pretty much no nude statue has a dingdong larger than a thumb. But you don't appear in a court and flash your teeny weeny mini me to the king and not feel embarrassed.

>>54717389
Pee Eff Gee campaigns need more throbbing Adonises! We don't have any!

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>>54717456

>>54717445
Could you also go Charisma SAD meme by using Steadfast Personality and CHA-to-AC?

>>54717402
Iroradin gets Aura of Excellence which shuts down forced rerolls for himself, and gives party members "roll twice and take highest" when they are forced to reroll. Such as, for example, when someone uses the DC Oracle revelation Misfortune on them (which is an immediate action). You also get Fortune for rerolls on yourself, and eventually your aura gets even more powerful.

>>54717456
That is a bald-faced lie and you know it.

>>54717473
Certainly! And if you're a pure oracle not limited by Paladonk LG memes, don't forget to bring your Desna-mandated CG CHA-to-Starknife memes, too.

>>54717502
What race do you reccomend, good anon, keeping in mind that Bloodforge is allowed?

>>54717451
Well to be fair, those nude statues were made under the idea that a smaller penis was more manly.

Is the old wizard who is faced with forgetting more things as time goes on too generic for a PC?

>>54717521
That's a little too real for me, but Alzheimer's Wizard is a legit character concept if you really want to try it.

>>54716730
What's the verdict on Starfinder?

>>54717332
You can put more than one title on the same creature anon

You can even put all your titles onto a single creature

>>54717556
It's certainly a game.

>>54717516
I am not a good Bloodforge memer, but honestly, the good old-fashioned Half-elf or Aasimar function just perfectly under these conditions. If you want to do extra heretical things, you can pull a Darkstar and take Racial Heritage: Kitsune (because nobody in their right mind actually wants to play a Kitsune) and use the Wrecking Mysticism curse to trade away all those shitty Lunar mystery spells for Magical Tails instead. Invisibility SLA 2/day, and other fine things, beckon!

Of course, if you are Bloodforge there's also some actual non shit options to use with Kitsune that allow you even higher levels of Magical Tail memery, so there's that.

>>54717577
But is it """""""""good""""""""?

>>54717556
There is hype for a new toy to play with but not enough info to make an informed decision.

aaaaa _ ____ __ __ __ __ __________ ____!

>>54717556
Its kinda like a 5E version of PF. Its not terrible, and luckily as far as we can see its not completely busted out of the gate like Pathfinder was.
Whether its "good" or not has yet to be seen

>>54717584
I mean, there are good parts and bad parts. We haven't seen the full mechanics yet, so it's hard to say.

>>54717622
I'd like to buy a vowel. An E, please.

>>54717622
I'll kill you and they'll never find the body.

>>54717622
aaaaa DHB~

>>54717646
I thought some people's books already shipped.

>>54717648
aaaaa _ ____ __ _e __ __ ___e____e_ ___e!

>>54717682
They did. A few people have the pdf, and that's how we're getting leaks, but we haven't seen the full book. The few people that have it can speak on it, but the thread as a whole isn't going to be that helpful. You could try chatting up Mash in the Discord.

>>54717516
There is also, if you want to be EXTRA EXTRA heretical, the Merfolk option. While this does severely fuck over your mobility, you have options to get this back, especially given that Lunar oracle gets access to Animal Companions - a tiger mount is not a bad option at all.

>>54717700
you'll never be in an unrequited love anon

>>54717556
It'll take time to see how it holds up as the full rules become public, min-maxers narrow in on options, and a meta develops. It looks much more competent than Pathfinder so far though, the math isn't so busted that a 4th grade education could point out the flaws and they've changed a lot of core rules that're traditionally shit in Pathfinder.

that awkward moment when you recognize the OP character from porn

>>54717710
Cool. Thanks for the help, anon.

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>54717700
I'll spin.

>>54717727
A lot of people do by now, anon.

>>54717700
>>54717713
Love me, and it'll always be unrequited~

>>54717622
Fucked up right out of the gate. It's aaaaaa not aaaaa.

What's better? Arcanist or Exploiter Wizard?

>>54717731
Aw, bankrupt. Player 2?

I want to be a vapid shitposter vidlogging celebtitty in Starfinder!

>>54717763
Ok, do it.

>>54717763
But Charisma is the worst stat!

>>54717753
Wizards because it's a wizard.

So, last threat postulated the witchhunter anon was just a salty cunt who wasn't actually right about DHB. Does the same apply to his and/or their opinion on IDrive as well?

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Trying to make an archetype for alchemist makes me want to pour acid on myself. Trying to use other archetypes for a reference just leads to even more confusion. Is Poison Use worth a discovery? What's Poison Resistance/Immunity supposed to be worth, and what the fuck is up with the scaling into Poison Immunity? Why do so many archetypes trade Poison Use but not Swift Poisoning? Why does Paizo keep making archetypes that do things you could normally do "but worse"?

Obligatory "CROSSBOWS REEE" as a bonus.

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Who /vesksoldier/ here?

>>54717832
Me, anon, me! I'm even trying to get art of one!

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>>54717832
After I get my fill of bugs.

>>54717791
I'm unsure if all of the witchhunters are the same person. DHB and 2hu hunters mig be the same, but the IDrive hunter doesn't much in the same way and doesn't appear as much or as obsessively.

>>54717832
Hells yeah. Glory to the Veskarium

>>54717786
I don't hecking care, I'll do it and nobody can stop me!

>>54717881
Bugs are too small. It's a soldier's duty to be HUEG.

Who's the most REMOVE KEBAB in Starfinder? Is it the Elves, or the Azlanti?

>>54717917
But bugs are delicious!

>>54717927
Isn't there a whole faction that's basically Starship Troopers/EDF?

>>54717909

Mm, I guess that's true. It's just easy to lump them all into one group due to the anonymous nature of 4chan, I suppose.

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>>54717948
Gotta eat big to get big. C'mon.

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>>54717832
I know I am

>>54717917
Bugs are for party support and emotional counsel.

>>54717207
properly built Psion

A reminder that if you're a Veskfag and hate Lashunta, you're power fantasy cancer that doesn't care about roleplaying options.

>>54717980
I thought the Lashunta would be better emotional counsel?

I have a Hobgoblin with the following natural stats:
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Con: 16
Int: 10
Wis: 10
Cha: 14

Physically what would someone like this look like?

>>54717996
You're right, we should be talking about the Hellknights!

IOMEDAE WILLS IT! KILL THE XENO SCUM!

>>54718044
Turkish athlete.

>>54717996
Eeeh? How?

>>54717788
>>54717753
The exploiter wizard, but it is still weaker than the Instructor wizard and the HH Pact Wizard.

>>54717996
>you're power fantasy cancer
So you're saying that wanting to be an 8ft tall blue buff lizard chick from a race where the females are generally larger and more impressive than the males is a powerfantasy?
Nice try Lashuntafag. Go back to fapping over your mary sue "teh bestests race every everyone loves me I'm special" donut steel race.

>>54718051
Wouldn't the relationship between Iomedae and the Hellknights be strained due to the events of that one AP where her crusade attacks the Godclaw, which is comprised roughly 1/5 of her worshippers, and another 3/5 being worshippers of LG/LG Gods that she supposedly has a good relationship with?

Plus the Hellknights are equal-opportunity employers in regards to races, which won't do at all for the God-Empress of Humanity

>>54718044
Zyzz

>>54717832
>>54717881
>>54717917
I'm actually thinking of a Kasatha, just for the "two handed gun plus riot shield plus [I haven't decided yet, but something one-handed]" thing.

>>54718104
It's been centuries. That's long enough for even Iomedae to get over it.

>suddenly remembered that Spore was a thing, and that I probably still own my copy
>urge to play a Vex run rises
Should I anons? For the glory of our Veskarium

>>54718124
Kasatha riot police equipped with three Model Citizen Converters!

>>54718118
So -10 HP?

>>54718044
>16 Strength
Carries heavy objects with one arm

>18 Dexterity
Light on feet, able to often hit small moving targets at a distance

>16 Constitution
Easily shrugs off most illnesses/Able to labor for twelve hours most days

>>54718144
You should make the Lashunta and be a huge diplomatic badass!

>>54717419
> 14 Strength 18 Dex.
I'm new, what meme is this?

> hefty bonuses at level 5
Using only the leaked PDFs, the only level 5 bonus is a Soldier style technique. What are you referring to?

General question, what attribute do Culture and Recall Knowledge checks use?

>>54718256
Optimal archer build.

So how come /pfg/ hates the race that let's you effectively be either an hourglass figure tit goddess or a shortstack while loving the race that are all identical and have effectively one class to choose?

>>54718215
Sadly, there is no Dimorphism option in Spore, whereas for the Vesk, the Dimorphis is relatively minor and unimportant, and your average schmuck would not be able to notice the difference between them

>>54718256
>Using only the leaked PDFs, the only level 5 bonus is a Soldier style technique. What are you referring to?
Every five levels, you pick four stats. Each of the chosen stats gets +1, or +2 if it's 16 or lower.

On a side note, what the fuck is this "select around the X" captcha? Never seen that one before, not sure if I like it.

>>54718291
wat

>>54718304
Why does /pfg/ hate Lashunta and love the lizards.

>>54718256
You get FOUR attribute increases at level 5, with anything 17+ only adding +1 point and anything 16 or below getting +2.

Meaning that 14 19 12 10 14 10 Soldier can become 16 20 14 10 16 10 at level 5.

>>54718304
The Lashunta.

One "form" turns you into a tall, curvy beauty or a bishounen, while another "form" makes you short, busty and hot-headed.

>>54718335
Modifiers are applied before point buy, not after, capping at 18 regardless of race/theme at 1.

>>54718330
We love the Lizards?

>>54718364
Cause I could just play an Elf or a Draph.

>>54718330
Because Lashunta were 'sexual dimorphism' which some people thought were cool, but that got taken away by a writer that people hate.

They also became 'loved by everyone and perfect babbus', in a way reminiscent of the Munavri and Kender.

leakanon can you post 266-267? A lot of these bonuses are insight and I'm wondering if it's the same as before where they don't stack.

>>54718388
>They also became 'loved by everyone and perfect babbus'
This is the thing that pisses me off, the dimorphism was cool but I could deal with not having it but making a literal Sue race is a huge red flag

>>54718388
They're literally the Asari, only some of them have penises.

>>54718385
Draph aren't real!

So my party and I recently fought a villain and a bunch of weird stuff happened that I want to call bullshit on. Can you guys tell me if this is bullshit:

>enemy has two initiatives, GM said it was "to make a singular enemy more threatening and to give him more action economy"
>the bad guy every time he attacks us with this giant mantis limb that he has instead of an arm causes a fort save or debuffs to hit and movement speed (GM said it numbed you when it touched you)
>use a hand crossbow with like 6 shots (GM said it was a multishot crossbow) to shoot incoming attacks out of the air (I think this may have been PoW)
>went through a window to escape from us and didn't provoke AoOs when running off (he didn't attack that round though)
>when we went through after him he attacked the first guy who went through with a shard of glass (my character) and gouged my character's eye out (GM said he had readied action after he went through)
>GM said I was blind for one round and permanently in my left eye, plus a bunch of bleed damage
>the next guy who game through the villain apparently had a cut on his hand and flung blood into my party member's eyes to blind him as well (it was a tough attack)
>had a climb speed
>had a swim speed & could breathe under water (he escaped from us by diving into the river and swimming straight down)
>several times during the chase he would just tackle his way through doors/windows and keep going without having to stop moving
>one point activated a spring loaded thing and launched this seed that grew super quickly tried to wrap around another of my party member's, it was a touch attack and a reflex save
>was able to just break things and use anything as an improvised weapon, but was able to give them weapon properties (at the least he was able to give one acid)

>>54718427
>draph aren't real
Well, somebody needs to fix that ASAP.

>>54718427
Yeah and the Asari are fucking garbage too.

The most boring rubber forehead wank material aliens in existence.

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>>54718427
>Draph aren't real!
See pic related.

>>54718429
The first is a Mythic ability called Dual Initiative, but even that doesn't literally double someone's action econ.
Second is fine, that's just poison.
I don't know enough about PoW to talk about the third
The fourth is rulebreaking unless he had some ability to do so
The fifth is complete bullshit
The sixth is too
Climb, Swim, Breathing Underwater isn't hard to get via items and stuff so that's not really a problem
Seventh isn't technically allowed, I don't think (not cool) but it's cool and minor so I wouldn't hassle over it.
Eighth sounds like some sort of Web spell that only affects one person, so that's fine
Ninth resembles Monk of the Empty Hand's ability but even better
Basically your DM had a boner for this guy and was bullshitting.

>>54718429
DM makes the enemy, DM makes the rules. As long as you had the potential to win (and considering you never said as much it sounds like you did in the end despite everything) it's all kosher.

>>54718513
We didn't win, the guy escaped into the river.

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>>54718291
Because Lizards are hot, and the Vesk with their expansive empire composed of dozens of vassal races and their cultural emphasis on honor and being a badass martial is infinitely cooler, as the Vesk are presented as a reasonable race with thier own strengths and flaws which makes them superior to the bladnly mary sue rubber-forhead beings known as the Lashunta, who have had most of the interesting parts of thier physiology retconned by the grubby regressive claws of Crystal Frasier. I'm sorry you're too retarded to get this Lashuntafag. Heck, most of the other races are more interesting than them, even Elves are now more interesting in SF, and they used to be one of the blander and lamer options in PF

>>54718427
And Asari were the lamest race in Mass Effect, with the only interesting feature being their Hermaphroditic psychic-sexual nature. And even that was kinda meh and was a real hit-or-miss with most players. Plus Turians, Salarians, Krogan, and nearly all the other races on the citadel were much cooler than them. Also Javik was kinda cool, if a bit of an ass. Honestly the only Asari that I found interesting to interact with was the one Matriarch that ran the bar who was half-Krogan

Where would Draph come from in a sci-fi setting? A genetically-engineered slave race in the Azlanti Star Empire? That doesn't make sense, they use Androids!

Create a character with all the information know of Starfinder character creation based on the song you are listening to right now. If you aren't listening to anything right now go to your player of choice, put it on random, skip three songs and pick that one.

>>54718429
My guess is the guy is a vigilante. I'm guessing it's a Night Terror. The Improvised Weapon this is also connected I think.

>>54718507
>The fifth is complete bullshit
Debilitating called shot to an eye does exactly what's described.

>The sixth is too
It's actually a mythic power as well. A champion one.

>Seventh isn't technically allowed, I don't think (not cool) but it's cool and minor so I wouldn't hassle over it.
It is actually, it's a vigilante talent

>>54718593
>Ghost Riders in the Sky

Outlaw Soldier!

>>54718429
None of the things in particular are bullshit. All taken at once seem like the GM wasn't going to let you kill the guy.

>>54718618
>>54718507
Yeah, looking into it my guess it was a Night Terror Vigilante with the Champion Mythic path.

>>54718618
>debilitating called shot
It's bullshit when done with a knife out of nowhere m8.

>mythic power
I must've forgotten it, you're right.

>vigilante
Okay yeah as I said I wasn't sure.

>>54718574
The one weird trick that made Elves even more fun and viable in SF is the emphasis on ranged weapons and piloting in the setting, which uses Dex.

Now you can play an Elf as more than just the bow-slut or twirly whirly Dervish girly, you can give them a SHOTGUN!

>>54716730

Lameeka what are u doin on the OP page... you need to get back to helping Astarte and her girlfriend get pregnant.

>>54718021
Fuck the Lashunta.

Did Leakanon give us rules for Space Ships in Starfinder?

I've not been in the thread for a bit.

>>54718699
Not yet. I believe we're getting weapons and spells tomorrow?

>>54718699
Those pages have not been leaked, along with the pages for equipment and augmentations.

>>54718673
You could do that in Pathfinder.

>>54718574
>Krogan
>Cool

But they are even worse than the Asari. Sure the blue bitches were there for fapbaiting and female projection, but the Krogan were cartoonishly powerful. Best warriors in the galaxy bar none, had good enough tech to take off into space and nuke their own homeplanet, bred like rabbits and were naturally so tough skinned and strong that they can take on a combat vehicle alone.The only reason that krogan remain cool instead of stupidly powerful is because the cooler races kept them in check and we are supposed to feel sorry for the krogan who themselves have admitted that once they start making babies again they are going to grab the universe by the ears and face fuck it until they reach climax.

>>54718673
The other thing that helped elves was the handling of ability score point buy and increases making their Con penalty less of a pain in the ass. No longer will you have to sink 10 points of PB just to get a measly 14 Con.

>>54718724
>>54718716


Sour, but those are honestly the only things I care to read from the Leak, I'll get my books when I get them.

>>54718738
That's what happens when you uplift and engineer a species built to fight giant mosnters, then fail to properly culturally uplift them or help them transition properly into the galactic community. The Salarians fucked up, then expected the rest of the galaxy to deal with their own irresponsibility

>>54718738
You fail to appreciate just how fucking bland Asari are.

>>54718815
The only thing I appreciate about the asari is the porn that has been made of the companion in ME2 in that skintight cleavage suit. I will never appreciate anything in the asari other than that.

>>54718803
So the Krogan are basically Africans.

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>>54718738
>can take on a combat vehicle alone
Must have missed that when I pistoled them to death.

>>54718838
Samara is pure! Pure! Miranda was the real slut, she used to hook up with random men on dating sites just so they can finish inside her because she wanted a baby!

>>54718574
There's nothing about Vesk that couldn't just be represented by a human culture. They don't make use of distinct biology, or a foreign philosophy, or an outlandish backstory. Worse yet, they suffer the dwarf problem where their rigid racial personality reduces the range they can be played at before their race is irrelevant to characterization.

Vesk are a race for stupids who can't think long enough to see through a shallow front.

>>54718870
Same honestly.

>>54718861
Shepard of the 48 Charisma and 50 Dexterity does not count.

>>54718738
Now see here's the thing about Asari.

I'm a xenophile. I love nonhuman things. Even smut memes aside, nonhuman characters are my motherfucking JAM. My biggest beef about Mass Effect, besides Shep being a cardboard standee, is that you're forced to experience this cool futuristic world full of so many different aliens as a fucking HUMAN.

And I'd still rather play a human than an Asari.

>>54718574
Elves are really exciting

>>54718876
And Lashunta are any better?

I mean hell, you say 'rigid racial personality', but the rigid racial personality of dwarves has been built up over fucking DECADES of dwarves being dwarvenly and acting in certain dwarf ways.

Vesk have nowhere NEAR that much baggage to operate under

>>54718901
Why? I don't think there is anything special about them, they are blue space babes with some psychic emphasis, but that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that a self-proclaimed xenophile would see as negative, just kinda bland. Where does the special dislike come from?

>>54718593
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UwHlEBlWT-4

I've got nothing

>>54718370
So far the point buy being 1-1 looks cool but that race/theme not applying after thing kind of bothers me.

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Compiled all of leakanons leaked images into a single pdf (not perfect but still), how do I share it with you guys when the file limit is 8mb and the file is 269mb? How do I share it with getting in trouble? Help me help you.

>>54718905
They actually feel like a dying race without actually being a dying race, if you're not an Elf on the homeworlds than you're either an Elf wearing a scary mask and being a complete asshole... Or you're a forlorn, and thus a morose and quite sullen asshole.

The Gap has managed to turn a race we reviled into a race we revere. It's insane.

>>54718984
link it on google drive and throw caution to the wind

>>54718984
MEGA, Mediafire, Google Drive

>>54718984
without*

>>54718876
>Best having a relatable and flawed culture and outlook is somehow worse than the "so superior to everyone they jealous of how wonderful I am" schtick that the Lashunta have
We get it, you want to play your personal fantasy of being the perfect and beloved socialite you could never be in real life. Fuck off.

Besides, the only race in Starfinder that even fulfills your requirements are the Shirren, not the Lashunta, which is why Shirren are superior to Lashunta in every way since they actually manage to fulfill the same fantasy niche without being bland and cringy as fuck

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Anons help, the smol girl in my group is seducing the 11 year old duke

She's too chuuni and cool! And there's a dance in the party's honor coming up!

>>54718998
>>54719006
Those all need an account that will be connected to me right?

>>54719018
She should dance with the Duke and get betroathed to him, as he is still too young for anything more!

>>54718961
Because they're just humans people are pretending are special.

It's the same source of my unending disdain for 'monstergirls' who are just humans with an accessory slapped on.

I'm told they're nonhuman. I'm told they're special. And they're fucking boring. A waste. A DISAPPOINTMENT. They could have been something interesting and instead they're just NOTHING.

That's what pushes them below humans.

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I am reposting an inquiry in the new thread to gather new opinions.

I cannot believe I am actually having to make this comparison.

For a trick attacking operative (ghost) to be played in a 1st-level one-off game, from a purely mechanical perspective, would an ysoki or a halfling be more optimal?

Ysoki have truly awful racial features (unless it is common to be knocked prone or off-kilter), but they do have +2 Dexterity and +2 Intelligence, and their +2 bonus to Stealth helps with trick attacking. Furthermore, darkvision can assist with sneaking around, and this one-off will focus on undeveloped areas. (Let us assume that since nightvision is a 2nd-level operative talent, night goggles will be fairly costly.)

Halflings have decidedly better racial features, including a +2 bonus to Stealth to assist with trick attacking, but +2 Charisma is not quite as useful as +2 Intelligence, particularly at 1st-level when an extra skill point means activating a class skill bonus for another +3 to a skill.

How did it come to this. Which would be the more mechanically optimal race under the above circumstances?

Assume that the GM is ignoring Mark Seifter's "supposed to" for the operative (ghost) and running its +4 trick attack as printed:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ui01&page=1?Starfinder-Early-Impressions

>>54719030
You can make a throwaway account man.

>>54719030
It's pretty quick to make a fake email account.

>>54718429
None of that's bullshit depending on what level you guys are, none of that was mentioned.

>>54719030
Use a throwaway email. Always use throwaway emails for shit.

How come all these races have such young (sci-fantasy) max ages except for Android obviously?

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>>54716730

why is Smolder, and by extension Lameeka, so perfect?

>>54719030
Please get caught.

>>54718996
I never reviled them...the people who did are silly.

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>>54719087
Because a simple design combined with something unique (in this case her color palette) make for an effective character design.

>>54718932
I don't even like lashunta but they're much better than vesk. I agree that they're a Mary Sue race and that's a weak basis, but there's a lot to work with in creating a unique lashunta character. The rules you follow in defining one leave space to play with in regards to how their dimorphism affects them, how they interact with the outside attention caused by being a member of a species, and their inherent desire to learn and grow. There's space to play with that human doesn't cover.

What you need to understand about Vesk is that they, and Lashunta, are both representatives of science fiction race stereotypes. Vesk are under as much baggage as dwarves because they've been written to conform to these cliches, except Paizo doesn't have the competence to even open them up with any interesting cultural background.

>>54719011
Don't project faggot, answer me like I answered you. Vesk are relatable because they're shallow, more shallow than bog-standard humans by virtue of being a cultural stereotype instead of being a people. Flaws only matter in application, and the particular ones the Vesk were assigned are just as bad as people being jealous of the Lashunta for being "too beautiful" or "too smart". The Vesk are presented as an effective culture, at worse underestimated for not looking smart on face level.

Shirren are shit too, better than Vesk but only on the level of Lashunta. Kasatha are the only good core race.

>>54719018
Kids have dumb crushes all the time. Play it for laughs.

>>54719125
>Shirren are shit too
No.

>>54719039
Well we don't have the full core book, but it looks like it's time for homebrew.

>>54719125
Kasatha and Elves are my jam, though Dwarves are waaaay better than in PF, and actually make my top five instead of being dead last for being so fucking boring. They've got a gimmick that isn't insular now! It's a dynamic dwarf, exploring new skies. Very cool.

Do we know if weapons of different sizes deal different damage in Starfinder? Will a halfling with a laser rifle sized for it deal elss damage than a human?

I ask because the idea of a tiny, bodacious halfling chick with a massive laser minigun the size she is is hilarious, but I'd not want to play something heavily unoptimal if it turns out to be so.

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>>54719125
>Shirren are shit too,
How can one man be soon wrong and have such shit taste?
Do you just irrationally hate anything that doesn't look like a human with body paint and spirit gum?

https://app.roll20.net/forum/permalink/5378262/

>>54719150
Shirren are wasted opportunity. They have a great concept going in but Paizo dropped the ball by making them too human. When it comes down to it, their major flavour aspects all borrow from traits traditionally associated with humans in being in brave heroic individuals. The angle every Shirren narrative is going to play out is some Shirren sacrificing himself so that all the humans around him can admire him for how human he was.
They're salvaged a bit and I could see some Shirren characters turn out amazing since they do carry a different enough physiology and mentality for fun interactions. Just like the Lashunta needed more focus on their mysticism and autism, the Shirren needed more focus on their OCD and instinct. Emphasizing the most human aspects of them just leaves you with a race that'll mostly be played by weird perky goths that ignore all the lore so they can be special in the opposite direction from Lashunta Mary Sues, and grognards playing their cliches straight as though "Shirren" is as legitimate a personality as "Dwarf".

I'm not saying people should like Lashunta, I'm saying that anyone who thinks Vesk and Shirren are good but Lashunta are bad is a fucking retard who only takes things at face value and doesn't give any thought to application.

Kasatha >>> Lashunta/Shirren > Vesk/Ysoki. Humans are humans, and Androids are like half-elves where they're never considered in a vacuum and get characterized around contrast.

Bizarrely the legacy races are mostly good.

What S&S app is best and why is it Fat Berry?

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>>54719042
>>54719052
>>54719057
Fuck man I'm too autistic for this shit, I'm to anxious to upload it and get caught.

>>54719386
I don't get why the fuck everything has to be reskinned humans all the time

>>54719018
Have there be a lover rival that gets jealous of the attention she's getting!

>>54719407
nigga just SEND IT

>>54719386
>Kasatha
>That high on the list
They're literally 4-armed Japs, with an insignificant amount of Quarian thrown in, plus a lazy man's burka

>womanizing nobleman paladin
>hates dances because people keep challenging him to duels
>his oaths forbid him from accepting duels not related to his duties
>people always ask about classified information and are too close and too noisy
I need art

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New-ish to Pathfinder and the DM is asking me to build an arcane caster (never played them before)
Is there a guide somewhere on the good spells to grab? What's my role in a normal 4man party (urager barbarian, vanilla druid, paladin are the other members)? If there isn't, can you guys recommend me some good spells from the first three levels to grab
Thanks, pic unrelated

>>54719409
The problem is that Kasatha are the only race that aren't reskinned humans at the end of the day. People're tricked because the Lashunta look more human, but the Shirren, the Vesk and the Ysoki are at least as bad when you sit down and think about what you can do with them. Having three genders helps nothing for the characterization, neither does having scales instead of skin, and neither does being furry instead of being black.

Lashunta are trash, but they're the same trash as the Vesk /pgg/ wants to jerk off. "Veskbros" are the same type of cancer that Lashunta waifufags are, but I hate them more because at least waifufags are self-aware enough to know they're shit.

Good players will make good characters in any race, but that doesn't make the race good. A race should have a unique identity, but enough range within it that characters aren't all locked to some limited choice. /tg/ has always been fucking retarded in liking dwarves but hating elves, when elves are way better.

>>54719411
Why does an 11 year old have a lover?

>>54719491
Anon, you've got correct opinions. I like that.

>>54719407
go full autist and just post screen shots here

>>54719486
There are guides to this shit. And seeing as you have a druid for fullcastery, you may want to just go Bard/Skald rather than regular wiz/sorc/witch, just to make things easier on yourself.

Otherwise, the Witch is probably the easiest way to go about it. You don't have to mind EVERYTHING as much as sorcwiz, you have your hexes to cover your butt for most of the time, and everything else is fine and dandy.

There should be some guides around here somewhere.

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>>54719491
>The problem is that Kasatha are the only race that aren't reskinned humans at the end of the day.
They are literally Japanese Space Gypsies that try to coast off the aesthetic of Tharks. There is nothing unique or original about them, the writers just took Quarians and slapped them in Tharks bodies

>>54719506
It'd be a 13 year old obviously, a noble girl under him

I mean honestly Shirren and Vesk get bonus points from me because they're not just shit we already had in Pathfinder.

We had humans.
We had androids
We had Kasatha
We had Ratfolk

I mean fuck, Vesk are arguably Lizardfolk even, but Shirren are actually new.

>>54719486
Also, tell us your chargen rules (pb, allowed 3pp/homebrew, starting level, gold etc).

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>>54719535
Fuck I'm so mad, I selected the wrong pic

>>54719491
>/tg/ has always been fucking retarded in liking dwarves but hating elves, when elves are way better.
t. Faggot.
They're both shit. Literally every tradition CRB fantasy race is trash

>>54719527
I think the Druid is going wildshape and martial focus though. Can you link me dem guides?

>>54719543
25 PB, 1pp, Elephant tax removals, a couple of miscellaneous errata removals that the DM says were only for martials,
Level 1 with double class starting gold
Max HP / level

My group is:

>Fighter/Vigilante
>Caster Druid
>Undead Lord Cleric
>Scar Witch
>Archer Paladin (me)

Level 1
Dave
Human
Divine Hunter Archer Paladin

Str 15
Dex 18
Con 10
Int 10
Wis 7
Cha 15

>Feats
Point-Blank Shot
Precise Shot (Free feat, replaces Heavy Armor Prof.)
Run

>Special Abilities
Aura of Good
Detect Evil
Smite Evil


What tweaks should I make

>>54719587
>Dave
wtf is a Dave?

>>54719535
>There is nothing unique or original
Stop. I don't know what the fuck your expecting.

>>54719587
Call him something other than Dave for God's sake

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>>54719587
>Undead Lord Cleric

>>54719587
>>54719602

At least Dav

>>54719575
Always sucks to be left without a primary caster, even if that setup would give your Skald MASSIVE mileage.

I have these Witch guides sitting in my history.
>https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1avH5AFYaZ838OC_W7BY_Bnt1TH9KGCc2ygTOb0CiYu0
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YkARuboGbaCVdOpcgoA0epQFqBlCygzzUsgaBdba9BE/edit#heading=h.uazboytn0foa

It always bugs me when people say 'well they might look different but they still think like humans and stuff.

No shit they think like humans. They were made by humans and meant to be played by humans.

We're a visual race, how things look is most important when determining if we like it or not.

>>54719601
I was expecting the person complaining about races being too bland to not be a hypocrite that's full of shit, when the Kasatha he is vaunting are just as bad as the Vesk and Lashunta he's complaining about. There's nothing unique or inhuman about them aside from having 4 arms. They are essentially just as much reskinned humans as the Vesk

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>>54719597
Character name

>>54719602
His parents were simple people

>>54719615
Dave believes he can talk the cleric out of it

>>54719633
Is the name really all I should change? Or is that where everyone stopped reading

>>54719649
>>54719575
Do note that there's plenty of new books these two don't cover. Meme or not, there's the Seducer Witch for a CHA-based option nowadays, and Winter Witch is not a terrible option either.

>>54719668
Aside from having 2 stats that are odd numbered for some reason, might I actually suggest lowering Dex to 16 to be able to afford a bit more leeway elsewhere (like Cha or maybe even Con)? Full BAB+ the occasional Smite means you're probably not going to be missing anyone important, and having high Cha on a Paladin is incredibly important for more things than spell DCs.

>>54719535
It's fine to rip off of things, just make good use of what you steal. The problem is being too similar to human, or even in an all human setting, making humans too similar to each other. Race shouldn't define everything about your character but it should have an impact.

Kasatha have a physiology that's actually useful in characterization, unlike Shirren tit-fondling arms. It lets you write different means of movement from other races to spice up roleplaying and interactions. The way you handle equipment or stride across terrain will be different which you can leverage for entire campaigns.
Their culture is another sci-fi stereotype, but the advanced ancients stereotype is more useful than the sexy aliens or the proud warrior race stereotype. By default a Kasatha character will have different values from a space age human because they're stagnant in a setting where every other race is attached to progress. Their mentality in approaching problems can be played up, but instead of always trying to reason first or always trying to fight first, individual Kasatha have wide options in how they approach diplomacy or combat because their template is broad and the Paizo fluff on them presents conflicts within their own culture on how to handle things. We know that Kasathas are divided on the topic of emigration or settlement, and we have details on their separate warrior culture, religious culture, and trade culture.

You can play a Kasatha Solarian whose experience makes him a father-figure, but he'll be different from a human commander due to the race's spiritual wisdom. You can go far in a different direction and play a stand-offish Kasatha Mystic who follows the witchwyrds but refuses to explain himself to maintain his personal philosophy. As a first step, Paizo put a strong foot forward on them compared to the others.

>>54719789
>itt look at all these ways Kasatha are exactly like humans despite being what I complained about the other races. Having 4 arms means they are better than everyone and get my autism Willie super hard.
Gotcha, so hipocrasy it is then. Thanks for making that clear.

>>54719649
thanks

I want to be hugged by a Kasatha!

>>54719929
A kasatha strengthfag, for the best hugs!

>>54719891
Well anon, how would you characterize your travelling traditionalist human technomancer?

Quick! Post your Starfinder character builds and stat blocks!

All the starfinder races are shit, just like most Pathfinder ones.

>>54720072
But Vesk are cool, and the Space Halflings actually wear shoes and so are 10x cuter.

>>54720072
What were you looking for in a race that they never provided?

>>54720081
I want to get hugged by a Halfling!

>>54719987
Have him grow up as a member of the cultural elite of Absolam Station, who's family has always been obsessed with preserving the traditions of (insert Golarion nation/culture here) as was preserved in the digital records on Absolam Station

Perhaps the family traces its roots back to Taldane royalty? Perhaps they are an old distant relation to Thrune? What matters is that the family placed emphasis on his education and respect for the old culture and ways of Humanity growing up, and ensured he would be smart and educated enough to fulfill that legacy, going so far as to ensure he gain basic magical aptitude training as well.

Basically your typical rich/noble Scion type upbringing and character versitility implied therein

>>54720096
Massive tits.

>>54720081
Vesk aren't cool, they're just one dimensional lizard-klingons.

>>54720141
>Klingons
>One dimensional
I bet you've never even seen a Klingon opera.

>>54720136
Just a single set or multiple rows of huge teats?

>>54720136
The Lashunta will provide that, so will Androids and Humans.

>>54720180
They're shit though.

>>54720172
Single, multiboob is for chumps.

>>54719553
Just admit it anon, you're not mad, you're tsun.

>>54720191
Big sagging tits or just bulbous and pert? And anything other than that?

>>54720122
I know you're not the same guy but this is a useful example actually. The difference in characterization between a human and a kasatha, assuming this identical background with the names changed comes into play once cultural relationships come into play.

The human character as presented is unique in his representing of dead traditions, and his journey to preserve or adapt them won't just meet obstacles in other races, but in the fact that he's adopted an identity unique to him. He's inevitably been alone, or among few peers in his practices growing up.

A kasatha character with an identical premise would have a childhood around people who shared his base traditions. Assuming he does begin a campaign with the same personality as expectations as the human, he'd begin interacting with strangers who acknowledge his oddities as foreign but not idiosyncratic and run into NPCs that know what he's doing. His trial with his philosophy isn't strictly unique, it's a widespread tradition.

In short, Kasatha a best, Vesk a shit, roleplaying should always be autistic and meticulous.

>>54720191
Androids and Humans are shit?!

Do Vesk have boobs?

Similarly, do Shirren have boobs? Or Lashunta? Kasatha? YSOKI!?

>>54720307
Shirren, Ysoki, and Vesk do not have breasts. The other core races do.

>>54720299
Yes.

>>54720328
Why?!

>>54720318

Why wouldn't Ysoki have breasts? They're mammals.

>>54720368
Humans are boring.

Androids are just as boring, offering nothing interesting in culture or visuals.

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>>54720375
They have teats, but not breasts. Important distinction.

>>54720375
Most mammals don't actually have breasts. They have nipples, yes, but not breasts.

I'm a multi-arm fag and kasatha just don't do it for me desu.

>>54720396
But I'm a human! You dare call me boring?

If you're mounted, which of your mount's squares do your attacks come from when you determine your reach?

>>54720399

Oh, sorry, thought it meant they lacked mammary glands entirely.

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>>54720430
Yes.

Wait. Do Kasatha have mouths? Their physical description block mentions a lack of nose, but not on mouths and all their art just has the bottom of their face covered.

>>54720442
All of them, it's part of why being mounted is so good.

>>54720535
Yes, culturally they keep their mouths covered at nearly all times.

Can I get a quick summary on the Starfinder classes?

>>54720549
Does that mean that reach weapons threaten all squares within 10 feet of the mount, since you can threaten from the opposite side?

>>54720573
>Does that mean that reach weapons threaten all squares within 10 feet of the mount

Did I stutter? Yes! Yes it can! You're a mobile heavily armored killing machine!

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What's his class and alignment?

>>54720572
Envoy- Bard/Investigator hybrid, meh.
Solarion- Spehss paladin except without alignment restrictions. Complicated.
Operative- Spehss rogue except it's actually legitimately good. Skillmonkey.
Mechanic- Customizable class, either get a robot or an exocortex, both help you do your job better.
Soldier- Soldier
Mystic- Magic person who gets their power from some outer force
Technomancer- Magic person who gets their power from technology. Does tech-based tricks

>>54720655
Neutral Evil Avowed (Old One)

However, if we're going by Paizo than he'd be an Oracle.

>>54720655
Occultist, CN.

>>54720655
Expert with very high UMD.

>>54720655
Chaotic Neutral Occultist, perhaps.

Especially considering all the trinkets of his you can find that do fancy shit, even if it's something like his pen, or his little tub of mustache cream.

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>>54720655

Caothic Evil gentleman.

>>54720665
What's the most counter-intuitive race for a solarion? My first character is going to be as convoluted as possible for the sake of learning the system and its weaknesses quickly.

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Post the character art of your first serious Starfinder character!

>>54720655
Chaotic Evil Asshat.

Even before he started with the occult nonsense, he was the kind of guy to go "hey, that hot chick is kind of a tease, I'm going to murder her, drain her blood, and serve it to my guests as wine."

>>54720697
>What's the most counter-intuitive race for a solarion?

Halfling, probably.

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>>54720703

>>54720703
So you can steal it? You can't fool me.

>>54720655
Well here's the question.

Are we talking 'Mid doing-stuff' Ancestor? Or Posthumous Narrator/I Done Fucked Up Ancestor?

Because while the former may have been evil, the latter doesn't seem to be at all.

>>54720273
>A kasatha character with an identical premise would have a childhood around people who shared his base traditions
So what your saying is that Kasatha are all one-note blank shits that are shackled into their one gimmick, which isn't even a unique gimmick?
So taking their obsession with their history, this means they're pretty much just Elves with 4 arms. Congrats, your description has made the Kasatha completely superfluous compared to the base fantasy races, just as Dwarves render the Vesk as superfluous.

Kasatha are shit, and are bland and just as pointlessly shitty and monotypic as the Vesk. Your waifu a shit and only has the 4 arms thing going for her, and if you think this roleplaying restriction on them makes them unique, them by the same token the Vesk, Elves, and Dwarves are just as unique as them. Of course you seem to fail to realise this because you're a blind hypocrite born of the same ignorant vanity as the Veskfags

>>54720697
Solarion is pretty complicated. However, just about any race can fill any class to decent effect at least due to the way attribute bonuses work. From what I've seen, Ysoki are kind of bad since they're small and have 2 starting HP as part of their race, why not do that?

>>54720733
>the latter doesn't seem to be at all.

He's still evil, he's just resigned so deep into his own nihilistic bullshit that he's willing to ham it up a little before letting you die.

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>>54720665
Isn't it the general consensus on /pfg/ so far that the solarian is the second weakest class, and the envoy is THE weakest class?

>>54720706
The exact order is a little "better" than that.
>This bitch is creeping me out, think I'll kill her
>Oh shit she's a monster, good think I was going to kill her anyway
>Oh hey, I'll drain her blood and serve it as wine
>Oh hey, I've got weird visions now--let's go digging!

I'd say CE Human Aristocrat, maybe with a few levels in Oracle or Occultist, if that. He wasn't actually good at anything but Necromancy and relied largely on Knowledge skills and Use Magic Device.

>>54720758
>Dat pic
No, I really don't.

>>54720738
I don't think being small is much of a downside anymore. Speed is no longer reduced, and neither is weapon damage from what I've heard.

>>54720738
Something about the Ysokai make me feel like they should have a bonus to Stamina to offset their low HP; the little guy always gets shot at a lot, but the bullets never seem to hit their mark, you know?

>>54720813
Far as I can tell, the only hp they're losing out of is like 3-5 points?

Racial HP only seems to be a one time thing, so it becomes less and less relevant as you level up.

>>54720758
What's this picture referencing?

>>54720854
Anime

>>54720862
I don't recognize it.

>>54720879
It's not supposed to be a specific anime, just anime in general.

>>54720884
Am I stupid then? What's the joke with it, what's it trying to say?

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>>54720703

>>54720758

By that logic the only classes anyone should be playing are the casters.

>>54720898
Anon...

>>54720894
Anime doesn't make you happy, or it can make you happy.

>>54716903

A misc modifier is any modifier that's untyped or that has a type not listed on the sheet.

So GMs.

Dice fudging.

Yae, Nea, and, if so, when?

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What would be Morathi's class?

>>54720968
Witch?

/pfg/, tell me why YOU haven't made a Godslayer yet?

>>54721028
Because I have severe depression that causes me great self-doubt and inconsistency in my ability to GM, so I would end up failing my players!

>>54720967
Nay.

But, to be honest, I stopped playing with dice a while ago.

>>54721028
Because I don't want to sit through that ridiculously massive character generation.

>>54721028
Keeping an open schedule for Starfinder.

>>54720845
Vesk and Shirren get 6, Ysoki get 2 and everyone else gets 4 and it only affects 1st level. So yeah it's not that big of a deal.

>>54720758
>Isn't it the general consensus on /pfg/ so far that the solarian is the second weakest class, and the envoy is THE weakest class?

The Solarian isn't weak, just complicated, it does get a lot of fancy jedi tricks. The Envoy however is definitely the weakest. almost anything it can do an Operative can do better.

>>54721074

I was about to ask, wasn't the solarian consistently the big damage dealer in the videos the devs showed?

>>54721028
Because I don't know what you're talking about.

>>54721074

>almost anything it can do an Operative can do better.

The Operative kinda feels like it went too far with skill monkey. It looks better at tech than the engineer, social than the envoy etc.

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>>54720703
Might remake my Shadowrun mage. Maybe as a medic-type or a technomancer. After I make a bug, of course.

>>54721114
>the space rogue is actually good at being a space rogue
>it'd better than the class that took a gutted investigator inspiration and slapped it on a gutted not!bard

who could have guessed

>>54721114
I think if the Operative was set with any number that wasn't 8 SP, I think maybe the Envoy would maybe stand out more as the skillmonkey class.

>>54721074
I keep looking but I can't really think up any potentially effective envoy build.

>>54721142

>the space rogue is actually good at being a space rogue

Less 'It's good at being a space rogue' and more that it seems to outdo other classes in their own areas of expertise, skill-wise. With a massively higher skill points than anyone else, being int based AND the bigger bonuses to skills than any other class it seems like other classes can't really compete even in narrow areas skillwise.

>>54721200
It's like comparing investigator to a multiclass bard/rogue.

>>54721224

I was mostly considering it to the Engineer (Though the Envoy isn't doing itself any favors). The Operative kicks the shit out of the engineer at computers and tech.

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>>54721074

>The Solarian isn't weak, just complicated, it does get a lot of fancy jedi tricks.

Maybe this is just me, but I REALLY don't see how a solarian is better at killing dudes and avoiding getting killed than a soldier.

>>54721200
In base skill use, looks like it. Still can't compete with an Engineer using an exocortex to rapid-hack, for example.

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>>54721200
>>54721247
You're going to get your fucking ass killed if you play an operative without 14 Con though.
And THEN what will you have for Intelligence, huh?

Anyone got a link to the imgur leak

>>54721200
Mechanics is still gonna be better at Computers and Engineering that an Operative. They have several class features built around them.

>>54721270
>You're going to get your fucking ass killed if you play an operative without 14 Con though.
>And THEN what will you have for Intelligence, huh?

This isn't pathfinder, a CON of 10 or 12 works just fine actually

>>54721281
http://imgur.com/a/Krs3S

How do these work: Culture / Recall Knowledge checks, Stamina. How many Resolve Points do you get?

>>54721323
We'll probably find out about Stamina and Resolve soon. IIRC, Leakanon mentioned they were going to post the Character Creation pages next.

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>>54721200
>people are surprised and upset when the not!rogue is actually good at the things it is supposed to be good at

Not that I'm actually giving much of a shit about Starfinder since the initial release for literally any game, vidya or tabletop, is a gigantic clusterfuck, but what the everloving fuck.
If operative gets slapped with the nerfbat until it's trash like rogue I'll just laugh my way back to Golarion.

>>54721337

They already did

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>>54720703
I actually can't think of a serious Starfinder character, so here's a fox with a spacegun on a bird instead.

>>54721323
>>54721337
Here are the character gen, skills and feats.
>>54710917

And the imgur has the rest >>54721319

>>54721337
They were posted in one of the previous threads. Also that aside, we've actually known about how those work for awhile now.

Stupid anons making him post chargen first instead of weapons when it's been public knowledge for weeks. HMPH.

>>54721348
>>54721363
>>54721369
And this is why I shouldn't sleep!

Thanks.

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>>54721373

>>54721373

>>54721373

whenever
ideally later, this thread has juice left

>>54721345

My issue isn't 'The rogue is good at stuff'. It's that 'other classes can't really compete even in their area of skill expertise'. Operative's Edge scales higher than comparable skill bonuses despite being much, much wider and they get free skill focus with such skills.

>>54721345
How do you nerf published material, besides releasing something even more OP? Release errata that no one reads?

>>54721453
I really wish nobody read errata. It's left me with a bunch of shitty items that were changed after I bought them.

>>54721453
>Release errata that no one reads?
Sadly a lot of groups read and follow paizos shitty errata without understanding why it's nonsense

I personally believe that all of the starfinder races are interesting and well-written

>>54721555
I want to ambush you in an alley and snuggle you to death

>>54721555
I personally believe the Ysokai aren't interesting, but the rest of them are fantastic (even the Legacy!)

>>54721555
The fuck is wrong with you.

>>54721532
Paizo also likes to do second printings of core books that have been errataed

>>54721555
I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

>>54721581
They probably already have to do that what with them fucking up Skill Focus.

>>54721411
Source on the picture?

>>54721601
What's the fuck up on skill focus?

>>54721605
Spirit Circle.
>>54721615
Mark says it's not an Insight bonus, but the pdf has it as an Insight, which doesn't stack with Operative's Edge. Either Mark doesn't know the product, or they fucked up. Both are likely, but I think it'll get an errata.

>>54721641
good thing the book's not technically out for another week and a half, eh?

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How would you represent the Golden Horde?

>>54721665
Some people have already received hard copies and I'm sure there're a lot more of them in transit, so it's a pretty shit deal for those guys.

Also for the people cleaning the PDFs.

>>54721676
Hongal.

>>54721665
I don't think you understand how production works. Copies of Starfinder already exist and are sitting in warehouses. Unless Paizo does a recall and pushes back the release, they'll most likely have to errata stuff.

>>54721741
I will freely admit, I have never worked in production and never really looked into it.

Did that anon ever make the pdf with all the currently leaked Starfinder stuff?
Having easy access to the feat section would be great.

How large is a culverin's scatter range? If it's 15ft, what advantage does it have over a blunderbuss or a dragon pistol?

>>54721855
ctrl+f "imgur" and open any links. If you don't see it, go back a thread and check again.

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Quick reminder that, even if the envoy is shit, they remain the hottest of the bunch.

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>>54721979
>mfw the age of genetically-optimized figures and skintight clothes is upon us

>>54721979
1 lvl dip in envoy looks promising to me. Thoughts?

>>54722020
>worried about figure and not coloration
LaughingUrdnot.png

>>54718754
>The other thing that helped elves was the handling of ability score point buy and increases making their Con penalty less of a pain in the ass. No longer will you have to sink 10 points of PB just to get a measly 14 Con.
No, you just have to sink 6. 10 points is half of the average of 20 PB points, 6 is more than half of the starting points you get in SF. This change actually hurts the elves when you look at the numbers in proportion.

>>54722406
The point they're making is that you can have like a 10 or something in Con and bump it up later more easily.

I see a lot of trashing on Envoy, Solarian and Ysoki. Anybody got thoughts regarding Mechanic? Is the Drone useless? Is the Exocortex OP?

>>54723718

It's got a few oddities that don't make much sense. Like the fact they literally don't have enough class skills to actually spend all their skill points as they level unless they pick up half a dozen professions.

The Drone doesn't look too bad as a whole but WBL might seriously hurt them, it will need to be investigated. The Exocortex feels kinda meh as the 'Full BAB' thing is nice but it's only for the purpose of attacking the chosen guy, rather than for all the feats that rely on BAB.