What characters are indisputably the best at what they do by

>>54712440
Fighter: Conan
Magic User: Merlin
Thief: Robin Hood
There is no archetypal cleric, because the figures or real religion muddle the mixture of popular consciousness

This list is objectively correct

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>>54712440
Best Cleric coming through.

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>>54712552
>Fighter
>Conan

That's funny.

>>54712552
Robin Hood is a famous thief. He isn't the best thief. He's not even in the running. The most he ever stole was, like, a lot of gold.

Carmen Sandiego has, as one of her least impressive accomplishments, stolen THE MOON.

>>54712552
Also why Robin Hood? He's an exmeplary Rogue by nature but he's not better at stealing them Carmen

>>54712675
>Guts
>from Berserk
>a fighter
>Berserk

although everyone knows the best fighter is Achilles.

>>54712440
We would have to determine what 'Best' means.
Most accomplished?
Most famous?
Are we including pop culture?
Are we including deity level characters?
Or are we just picking someone who embodies the archetype and may not be the most famous or accomplished?

>>54712552
Archetypal and best are not synonymous.

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>>54712721
Fighters and Berserkers are essentially the same thing. If we're differentiating them like this then we have to use pic related.

is Jesus a bard or cleric?

Doesn't Carmen get her stolen items recovered by metropolitan-area 90s kids at around 4pm on a weekly basis?

>>54712735
The best skill with the class. Things in class that no one else is capable of achieving. There are caveats to this like doing something and not living to tell about it however.

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>>54712754
con artist

>>54712552
Wizard: Elminster
Warrior: Ultimate
Cleric: Father Tom

>>54712681
So did Groo

>>54712552

Robin Hood's really more of a bandit.

>>54712771
More like letting the kids take them back to teach them a lesson they should've learn in school.

>>54712832
Shit, meant to reply to >>54712759

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>>54712754
Cleric, probably 15th level, probably with the Weather domain. Hang on, let me reach back in time to 2013...

Ever notice how all of Jesus' miracles that don't involve healing, involve water in some way?

>>54712552
Clerics were originally made because someone in Arneson's group wanted to be a vampire hunter if I recall correctly. So archetypally it's probably Van Helsing. If we're talking about a holy warrior in general and ignoring paladins, probably any amount of christian saints like Saint George or Saint James when conceived by the Spanish as Santiago Matamoros

>>54712819
For Gru, stealing the Moon was the dream of a lifetime, a project he had spent years working towards.

For Carmen, it was Tuesday.

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>>54712552
>there is no archetypal cleric

are you really gonna sit here and say that when so much of the cleric's spell list is based off of biblical prophets?

>create food and water
elohim does this shit constantly. Either with fish and bread or with Manna

>blindness/deafness
elisha cast this against syrians

>continual flame
elijah and the prophets of baal, god made a flame that lasted burned even through wet wood. Could also be a reference to Hannukkah or the burning bush

>magic stone
David and Goliath

>spiritual weapon
Elohim is like the OG when it comes to magic swords

>enhance ability
Samson, anybody?

>animate dead
ezekiel raise them dry bones

>true ressurection
do I really have to say it?

>bestow curse
Elohim does this more often than he blesses people I think

>tongues
Jesus

>water walk
Jesus

>control water
Moses

>contagion
Moses

>insect plague
Moses

>find the path
Moses

I could keep going

>>54712963
>>find the path

Dude wandered in a desert for 40 years and didn't even actually reach the Land of Milk and Honey himself. Find the Path was NOT on his list of prepared spells. I'm not saying it wasn't available, I'm just saying that the guy never used it.

>>54712759
She only has them recovered because she allows them to be recovered. Yes, the clues she's leaving are deliberate. She's that good.

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>>54712675
Meh.
Gutz barely cuts it when true demons and Gods show up to a fight.
Conan treats it like "Just another Thursday"

Not sure I'd want to say Conan is "The best" just yet, but Gutz is actually probably first cut from this running.

>>54712981
in his defense, he had to fight through quite a few armies of mudslimes on his way there. The "shortest path" was to topple a couple civilizations who had many many more times the number of fighters than the jews had.

>>54712963
Alright so which of the half dozen biblical figures you listed is the archetypal cleric?
It can't be all of them

You missed the part where I said it was precisely because of real world religion that one couldn't exist. You've just sort of proved my point.

>>54712981
>Dude wandered in a desert for 40 years and didn't even actually reach the Land of Milk and Honey himself.

If you actually read the bible, that has much less to do with Moses's ability as it does with shit God said they had to do.

Wandering for 40 years was so the generation would turn over and all the older people who still had slave mentalities and were saying "go back to Egypt" would die off.

Not getting in himself was punishment from God for disobeying him and trying to look good.

>>54713042
...is there more of this kind of stuff with Conan cuckolding other action heroes?

asking for a friend.

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>>54713101
Assassin.

>>54713042
>Gutz
Guts. Jesus. I did it twice.

>>54713064
>If you actually read the bible, that has much less to do with Moses's ability as it does with shit God said they had to do.

Which in either case means that Find the Path wasn't used, which means my point is made.

>>54713101
Illusionist

>>54713056
It's either Moses or Jesus, depending on if you think Jesus can count as a Cleric or if his more direct connection means cheating.

>>54713056
Moses is probably the most iconic. When I think "THE Cleric", I think of this guy.

>>54713161
Pretty sure Jesus was either the DMPC Cleric with additional abilities thrown in at the DM's whim with super fudged rolls or the character of the DM's girlfriend using some OPplznerf homebrew class.

>>54713047
That was after the 40 years actually.

The 40 years happened because Moses sent 10 spies to scout out the promised land, who then came back and said that the people living there were giants and they had no hope of defeating them and should probably just head back to Egypt.

Everyone heard that and freaked out and a lot of them wanted to turn back. God got pissed and killed all the spies and their families and commanded everyone to wander in the desert until everyone that had been born in Egypt had died naturally.

Only 2 of the spies said they should try, Joshua and Caleb, so God spared them and kept them alive until the people were ready to leave the desert.

The 40 years was about getting rid of the Hebrew people's ingrained slave mentality.

>>54713131
Find the path doesn't work if your deity decides the path goes in circles through the desert for a generation.

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Fighter: Achilles
Thief: Arsene Lupin
Wizard: Gandalf
Cleric: Moses


Paladin: St. George
Barbarian: Conan
Ranger: Aragorn
Sorcerer: Loki
Warlock: Faust
Monk: Sun Wukong
Druid: pic related

>>54712600
>When you fail your check and your flock drowns

>>54712892
Yeah but van helsing in the original text isn't a vampire hunter he's a doctor that is aware of vampires

>>54712440
OP... that's not Carmen San Diego

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>>54713336
Is Sun Wukong a monk or a weird blend of monk-druid-fighter?

And Faust as the Warlock is a stellar pick

>>54712801
>Warrior: Ultimate

my dude!

>>54713421
Pure Monk

>>54713451
Rogue: John Cena

>>54713079
Weirdo.

I'd prefer just more sexy Teela

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>ctrl f Rincewind
>no results

For real? You guys don't recognise a lvl infinity Wizzard when you see one?

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>>54713420
Well my dick says it is Carmen Sandiego.

I was looking around for more Carmen and saw this. What's Alucard's class?

>>54712440
muh dick

>>54713480
Summoned Monster honestly.

>>54713478
>lvl infinity Wizzard
He's also the worst lvl infinity Wizzard there are ever been.

>>54713405
Yes, but through his role in the story he's become synonymous with vampire hunters in popular culture. If you ask someone in the street about vampire hunters Van Helsing is bound to come up, possibly as the only one

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>>54713480
Your dick has good taste, but it's actually Paul Dini's wi-- ahem, I mean, Madame Mirage.

>>54713480
Cunt, with a few dips into bored.

>>54713420
Who is it then OP? Looks like the Cover of that Where-in-world reboot comic to me.

>>54713480
>It's a 'we made a overpowered vampire class' expansion book.

>>54713336
reminder that gandalf was a fighter who splashed a few levels in wizard

>>54713563
see >>54713545

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>>54713480
Fuck I hate Alucard, babby's first edgy vampire

What classes are we looking at for these two?

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>>54713614
>not cleric

>>54713640
hmm, that's fair.

He sure wasn't a wizard though.

>>54713336
>>54713614
>>54713640
Reminder that Gandalf was a demigod who could do decent magic in a low-magic dimension.

>>54713638
>babby's first edgy vampire
wouldn't that be Blade? (though technically he's half-vampire)

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>bounty hunter

>>54713690
Blade gets cool Wesley Snipes points for the majority of the modern audience.

Alucard is a dopey looking John Lennon motherfucker

>>54712881
Not this Dagon shit again

>>54713675
>decent magic
>never casts anything higher than first level

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>>54713692
As you wish.

>>54713478
He was a wizzard not a wizard.

>>54713710
Again, low magic setting.
Imagine someone with Gandalf's abilities appeared in our world, he'd be hailed as the biggest wizard of all time.

>>54713421
He's an lunar exalt

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>Carmen San Diego is the best Thief

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>>54713614
>>54713640
>>54713675
>>54713710
>>54713755
I chose Gandalf because he mirrors the archetypal wizard, AKA a wizened old man, regardless of whether he is strictly the most powerful spellcaster ever (or a divine being for that matter). I was going to choose Odin for this originally since he was the inspiration for Gandalf, but he's not who comes to mind immediately when I think of the word "wizard"; that will always be Gandalf.

Also I forgot bard, so let's go with Shakespeare.

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>>54712681
A list of things Carmen Sandiego has stolen.
>The Khyber Pass
>The Steps To The Tango
>Uluru
>The Baton Used To Lead The Vienna Boys Choir
>The Fish From Half Of Lake Titicaca
>The Plans For This Year’s Carnival
>The Silver Pagoda
>The Game Winning Puck From The First Stanley >Cup Championship
>The Strait Of Magellan
>The Keys To The Forbidden City
>Havana’s Best Cigars
>Hans Christian Andersen’s Writing Desk
>The Nile River Delta
>The Gargoyles From Notre Dame Cathedral
>The Keys From Beethoven’s First Piano
>The Olympic Flame
>The Best Coffee
>All The Goulash
>Geysir
>Gandhi’s Glasses
>The Island Of Bali
>The Presidential Palace’s Finest Rug
>The Salt From The Dead Sea
>The Sistine Chapel’s Ceiling
>The Snow From Atop Mt Fuji
>Nairobi International Airport
>Every Last Drop Of Salsa
>Casablanca
>The Abominable Snowman
>The Dykes
>All The Kiwi Birds
>The Delta Of The Niger River
>K2
>The Controls For The Panama Canal
>The Headwaters Of The Amazon River
>A Monkey-Eating Eagle
>The Trans-Siberian Railroad
>The Middle Of The Trans Arabian Pipeline
>The Statue Of Sir Stamford Raffles
>The Cape Of Good Hope
>The Secret Recipe For Kimchee
>The Bulls From Pamplona

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Fighter

>>54713882
Gilgamesh, Achilles, Thor, King Arthur, fighter has so many great options.

>>54713480
Edgelord 10/Plot Device 20

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Bard

>>54712681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaCMpiOhzps

>>54713480
Mary Sue

>>54713042

That's true. The old Robert E. Howard stories have Conan fighting all kinds of weird shit.

>>54713870

This is why she'll always be the best thief. Her priority is, obviously, never value, only the act of theft itself. She steals things that are basically arbitrary, and suit her fickle moods for the day. She steals to steal, and for no other reason.

>>54713870
>She literally stole a dance

Yeah, best thief.

>>54712675
>>54712552
You're both wrong, the best fighter is Diomedes.

>>54713870
>The Dykes
All of them?

>>54713870
You somehow forgot "a fucking language."

>>54713749
That's like exactly what it says. A lvl infinity wizzard.

>>54713518
Name a wizard who has saved Australia even once, let alone the whole world multiple times. You can't. Worst lvl infinity wizzard >>> best lvl infinity wizard. He's. Just. That. Good.

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>>54713336
A fairly decent bard?

>>54713957
This.

Why does everyone remember fucking Achilles who was an invincible mary sue rapist, instead of Diomedes was a decent enough guy (by Iliad standards) and was able to defeat gods with just his mortal strength and fighting prowess

>>54713870
>>Every Last Drop Of Salsa
Chaotic Evil incarnate.

>>54714020
Diomedes was Athenian self insert faggotry of the highest order.

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>>54713992
Whizzard?

Druid is probably the most difficult to choose because its modern portrayal is almost entirely made up and its actual historical function is more or less aligned with what we consider a cleric.

>>54714020
Because everyone knows of the medusa (and who killed it) but the Iliad is not required reading in high school.

>>54713948
She said it best in the cartoon

"To take what others have"

It really is as pure as that.

>>54714020
Because the story is about Achilles being a figure of a god-like mindset coming back to humanity. Diomedes was capable, but Achilles is a better character.

>mary sue

Oh do grow up.

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>>54713992
Rincewind is the anti-Vorbis. Vorbis would take a moment out of his daily schedule of murder, see a tortoise and put it on its back to see what would happen. Rincewind would come running by from something that's undoubtedly about to kill him, but always stop and turn that tortoise back on its feet.

>>54712819
Sergio Aragon e's Groo the wanderer?

>>54713997
>against fucking and breeding with other races
That's like, anti-bard

>>54714059
Achilles didn't kill the Medusa, it was Perseus

>>54713545
So you are telling me Carmen Sandiego stole Madame Mirages character design?

Warrior : Conan
Mage : Raistlin Majere
Thief : Blood Raven Chapter
Bard : Nick Rivers

>>54713977
>You're now imagining Carmen San Diego's harem of dykes
>The most lesbian dykes stolen from various countries and points in time

>>54714179
Oh shit, you got me there. I guess instead it would be instead that every English speaker I've ever met uses the phrase "Achilles heel".

>>54714181
Nah, Carmen was first. They both stole some 1930s femme fatale's design, most likely

>>54713870
Honestly, I think we should acknowledge that she's likely some sort of trickster goddess.

>>54714059
Im voting Darwin as best druid, the fucker made the biggest discovery in biology to date, im betting he had some nature magic to help him. And if that wont work, Merlin?

>>54713870
That list is just from Where in the World ia Carmen Sandiego. Theres a cartoon and other games where she stole even more ludicrous things.

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Make way for best Druid.

>>54713870
And the real kicker is that she also has accurate time travel so she can pop up in any place and time.

Not mentioning she purposefully leaves clues behind because she enjoys being chased.

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>>54713870
>>54714266
So the question is what can't she steal? How far is the reach of her thievery? If she can steal concepts, can she theoretically steal life and death? Is she immortal?

>>54714262
Darwin was a professional scholar who studied nature, not became one with it.

Merlin is pretty explicitly one of the archetypal wizards and a half-demon at that.

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>>54713870
>>54713948
>>54713977
>>54713978
>>54714030
>>54714206
>>54714236
>>54714266
Just going to note that this a list of "smaller things" that Carmen has stolen. Her larger heists include:
>Golden Gate Bridge
>Angel Falls
>Great Wall of China
>Roman Colloseum
>Nile River
>Grand Canyon
>Great Barrier Reef
>Petronas Towers
>Caspian Sea
>Mount Everest
>Hubble Space Telescope
>and Ayer's Rock
She also stole 'Time' at one point I believe.

>>54714372
>stole mount everest

where did she hide it?

>>54714388
The Mariana Trench

>>54714391
would that cause global sea levels to rise?

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>>54714372
Oh yeah and she stole/attempted to steal:
>Portuguese
>English
>Health
>Science
>The Supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way.

>>54714357
To be fair, i wouldent blink if Drawin became a minor god of nature and started keeping track of everything not fit to survive getting killed off and replaced by something more suited to given enviorement. Biologists practicly worship the guy, and im speaking from my own experience as a biologist. My evolution professor has something of a shrine to darwin made in his office

>>54714372
Where is she even hiding this shit?

>>54713690
Try watching the first Blade movie again. Blade's kind of a goofball in it, in his own way.

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>>54712600

>Has all sorts of miracles leading to him freeing his people
>Holy shit out the whazoo
>Finally free they head to their lord's supposed holy land
>God proceeds to abandon him and make him wander for 40 years

Come on, now.

>>54714417
>The Supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way.
Wait, how did she even know about that? I thought it was only proven recently

>>54714457
it was punishment for being greedy kunts

>>54714469
It's Carmen Fucking Sandiego

>>54714417
How do you steal a language and science?

>>54714474

Then he wasn't a very good cleric now was he?

>>54714457
That's what happens when you worship a CE god.

>>54714489
See >>54714483

Only because there is no real explanation. If there were, we'd be going into anime-levels of explanations.

>>54714414
She could steal the side effects.
I mean, this is the woman who stole the freaking international date line (a imaginary concept for god's sake. She can steal imaginary concepts)

>>54714489
Very carefully

>>54713638
Go watch the team4star hellsing. Best version of Alucard.

>>54714489
Steal every record and archive of it. There are millions of languages we know nothing about through history because no records were kept.

>>54714530
Would she have to steal everyone that spoke English as well?

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Best monk

>>54714489
Carmen is clearly an Exalted character, stealing concepts is child's play for her.

>>54714516
>She can steal imaginary concepts
Oh, then it's obvious. I've cracked her case.

She's not a thief, nor is she a demigoddess or whatnot. She's a very high level psyker, able to influence people's minds all around the globe. She doesn't actually steal anything, she just makes people believe she did it. That's how she's able to "steal" imaginary concepts, objects from the past (which would've caused a paradox if it was real), geographical landmarks that can't be hidden anywhere, etc. Think David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty "disappear", only with less smoke and mirrors, and more mass illusion.

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>>54712440
Posting best Demon Hunter

>>54714544
How did I forget him? Well he's not necessarily a monk unless we call all unarmed fighters monks. Am I wrong here?

>List
>Thief-Carmen Sandiego
>Monk?-Saitama

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>>54713835
>>54713870
"Not bad. Maybe I'll try to steal her heart next."

>>54714548
Night castes wish they could just walk away with the shine of a diamond (not the diamond mind you, it's *shine*) like Carmen did with the Hope Diamond

>>54714323
The idea of Carmen Sandiego taking things seriously is honestly terrifying.

>"Carmen Sandiego! The entire Imperium of Man is coming for you!"
>>"Hmm. Where in the world did everyone's brain stems go?"

>>54714588
Boring.

She is able to steal imaginary concepts because she is just THAT good.

>>54714429
She has time travel. Think not where she hides it, but when.

>>54714607
>high level psyker dicking with all of humanity for the lulz
>boring

>>54714429
where in the world

>>54714606
>Carmen Sandiego entera 40K verse
>Suddently Chaos, the Orks and the Imperium create a truce to hunt her
>Turns out she stole war and grimdarkness and they want it back
Good end?

>>54714429

>>54714645

Where? In the world is Carmen Sandiego.
she hides shit in the center of the earth

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>>54714626
How could I have forgotten that.

>>54714626
I'm more of a linear timeline man. If she's dropping off these objects and concepts into the past or future, they're likely being lost through the deterioration of time, not necessarily storing them for safekeeping.

>>54714600
Put Lupin and Carmen in a team together and I'm pretty sure nothing in the universe would be safe

Actually I'm pretty sure even things that aren't in the universe wouldn't be safe

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>>54713957
>wounded two gods
Smalltime.

>>54713336

Conan has, at most, one level in Barbarian. If that.

>>54714647
As long as she doesn't steal freewill then it's fine.

>>54714636
She probably has the Grand Canyon lost in the pockets of one of her's spare coats.
How the fuck thats suppossed to work is up to anyones guess

>>54714647
>Turns out she stole war and grimdarkness
So, Carmen Sandiego is modern GW?

>>54713458

Really? Where are the shape-shifting class features of the monk class?

>>54714457
God didn't abandon Moses, he abandoned the Israelites and Moses himself was fucking pissed at them.

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>>54714421
>started keeping track of everything not fit to survive getting killed off and replaced by something more suited to given enviorement
That's... that's not natural selection, then. Really, this is the problem with people somehow creating the term "unfit to survive" out of "survival of the fittest". If something is alive, regardless of its state, then it is BY DEFINITION "fit to survive". This is like saying Newton would be the god of staying on the ground, and viewing ladders and birds as heretical.

I'd nominate Loki as the archetypical druid (with a ton of cross-class skills). Guy was turning into beasts all the fucking time, just look at his kids.

Alternately Idunn, the apple-breeding healslut.

>>54714429
Well, she once stole the Bermuda Triangle.

>>54714588
Yeah, no. It's not that kind of show. She actually steals all this stuff. For real.

>>54714688
But he's the barbarian. What else could he be?

>>54712440
thats not carmen sandiego

>>54714636
As compared to a thief that's just THAT good? Yes. It's boring.

>>54714747

Fighter with high Int and/or levels in Rogue. He rages rarely, if at all, and spends a lot more time sneaking than fighting.

Barbarian is a misnamed class. Always has been.

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Ranger: Link

>>54714755
It is now. She stole the image. Seriously, it's one of the first image results on Google, and no one even remembers the original version.

Carmen is such a good thief that she an affect the real world.

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>>54714787
>character that is known for using a sword
>best ranger cause he rode a horse and had a bow once.
Idiot.

>>54713638
They're gods. You can dispute this.

>>54714857
>Once
Hue

>>54714857
>rangers don't use swords

anon...

>>54714872
>picking on details
hue

>>54714457
Old testament god was a petty asshole.
>>54714388
I'm a little more impressed by the Grand Canyon because it's defined by negative space. Was there a flat plains where it was supposed to be?

>>54714894
>being wrong and not having an argument
Kys famalan

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I think a rule to this list should include that these people are not only indisputable at what they do, but also unbeatable, invincible, and world changing.

>Carmen Sandiego has the potential to steal the concepts of Time, Life, and Death, thus making herself immortal. If she chooses to, she can steal someone's life and or time, eliminating them.
>Saitama is unbeatable regarding ALL things strength and conditioning and as such can not die by any known standards. If he chooses to, he could destroy the world on a whim through strength alone.

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>>54714857
Can Use Magic Device be a class?

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>>54714747
This guy is also "The Barbarian" but that doesn't mean either of them are by default the best in the business

>>54714787
Actually he's probably a switch hitter fighter with balanced strength and dex. Link only ever uses magic from items, most incarnations anyway. He's proficient in all martial and simple weapons, light, medium, and heavy armor, shields, animal handling, athletics, and perception. He has combat maneuvers, but no inherent magic.

>>54713056
>>54713161
>>54713249

Moses was the archetypal Oracle, Jesus is a bit harder to pin because He's the Son of God, so I'd say an Expert with maxed out Divinity.

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Politician

>>54715054
Factotum

>>54712552

>Merlin
>Magic user

Merlin is a sage/
Seer and probably a fairy. Magic is litterally the least important thing he does.

>>54715070
>no inherent magic

he is literally the reincarnated embodiment of a goddess

>>54712705

Robin hood isn't a rpgue, he's a fighter.

So
Gandalf is a low-magic fighter/cleric demigod
Merlin is a sage/seer fae

Does that mean that the best wizard is Dumbledore?

>>54712440
Why is she so overpowered?

>>54714787
If (BOTW specificially) link is anything he's a bard

>>54715217
If you count necromancers as wizards then Kashchei the Deathless.

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>>54712440
Street Sam.

Although the actual Sam is damn close.

>Knight CYBER
Fucking hell, Captcha.

>>54715289
>Koshchei the Deathless
is a Lich, complete with phylactery

>>54712881

Loaves and fishes. Your argument is invalid.

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Best fighter coming through.

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Paladin

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Best demon hunter

>>54715217
technically Dumbledore is a sorcerer, since he gets his magic from his bloodline

>>54715340
>>54715289
He hasn't reanimated a single corpse.

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>>54715070
Depends on the incarnation I guess but with the recent emphasis on survival skills, his affinity for animals, occasional magic and stealth, and typically lightly armoured, agile fighting style that combines melee and ranged weapons, he feels more like a ranger to me than anything else. Except maybe the shield.

>>54714514
She has the Thief of Legends Epic Destiny.

>>54715521
You mean besides his own?

>>54715379
Curious, how old is he in that pic, i.e. which book?

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Druid: Underwater Version

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I honestly don't know much about him, but I'm compelled to vote for Pelinal for Paladin.

Is this a good choice? Can you tell me more about him?

>>54714457
He let them die on the desert because no slave should build a new society

>>54713336

>Paladin: St. George

Mein nigga

>>54715539
I don't think there was any lore that said he reanimated himself

>>54712440
Gilgamesh has my vote as the best fighter.

>>54715560
No scar so it's before Night Watch so mid 40s maybe. Men at Arms - Feet of Clay sort of time.

>>54715574
All you need to know is that as someone who hates him even I think he's still pretty cool. Ends up getting decapitated at the end of his last fight and then starts talking to one of his allies about the fight he won and the weather and shit as just a head. Does end up dying though.

https://youtu.be/uEg2J-MoeqY

>>54715701
Damn. He broke my mortality clause. I thought he was still "alive" with the cyborg theory.

>>54715738
It's hard to say how much death matters in relation to him as he was seen at Alessia's side when she died.

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Is Doomguy the best paladin?

>>54715860
Blackguard, if anything. He is the demons after all.

>>54715827
Which is fine for him, but I'm trying find the perfect cast set for these rules >>54714947

I'm now inspired to build a pantheon of the best examples of Classes and so far we only have a Thief and a Monk.

>>54715659
>Men at Arms
Ah, back when Vetinari could still be fallible. Up there with Thud, Going Postal as my favourite Ankh-Morpork story, also the beginning of the industrialization of Ankh Morpork with direct or indirect ties to pretty much every Watch story since.

>>54715530
You could probably build Carmen Sandiego as a Nobilis character.

>>54712721
So true. No better Fighter then Achilles. Thousands of years later, his name is still the meaning of badass.

>>54712963
>>true ressurection
>do I really have to say it?

Jesus wasn't True Resurrected though since he still had holes in his hands from the nails afterward

>>54713614
I always saw him as something that would be in a monster manual with level progression so people could play him like a trumpet archon.

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>No mention of the most powerful wizard in existence.

Oh come on /tg/.

>>54715656
I'd say he's the greatest hero, not fighter. But hero isn't a class as far as I can tell.

>>54713064
>>54713263

God damn, the dickishness of Old Testament God knows no bounds

>be born as a slave through no fault of your own
>be promised freedom and a life in the promised land
>"actually , nevermind, being born as a slave through no fault of your own means you aren't worthy to live in the promised land; your kids who are no more worthy than you except for the fact that they were fortunate enough to be born outside slavery can come though"

>>54713042
Conan isn't even best Fighter/Barb. Conan is what happens when you have to present the best Martial Multiclasser.

>>54713263
YWHA occasionally doesn't sound evil, just merely as somebody playing a RTS, and he hates debuffs on his civilizations.

>>54716146
The Arian Church (correct me if I'm wrong) for this very reason put forth that the God of the Old Testament was not the God of the New Testament.

The Pelagians just believed that God was winging it and had no plan.

>>54716146
Well, Moses wasn't allowed in the promissed land because he beat God's favourite rock instead of politely askin it to create watet, as he was instructed.
I guess you shouldn't mess with God's pet rock

>>54712893
So she stole Mister Bison's lines too?

>>54713336
Faust might be the most iconic warlock but he's also one of the shitiest by far.

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Summoner

>>54716044
I thought he was taking about the resurrecting of Lazarus.

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>>54712440
Stardust is the best Wizard.

>>54715954
Batman is the best paladin there is.

No mather what moral decision he take,s it's always the correct one.
No matter how strong evil is, he always finds a way to smite it.
His determination never falters. He never falls.

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>>54716539
Technically his abilities come from alien technology, so maybe an artificer.

>>54716539
Stardust is a DMPC

>>54716541
And Joker is the asshole DM's character who's hellbent on trying to make the Paladin fall

>>54716611
>>54716539
>Your characters are gangsters in 1930s America
>No I swear I won't do a TPK again

>>54713638
Who the hell are these guys? Can somebody give me a quick rundown?

Samson best fighter

>>54713466

Nah. Bard.why else do you think he collects so many(single mother) panties?

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>>54714489

>>54716801
His theme song is pretty good too

>>54714747
Rogue/Fighter gestalt. That's why he's so badass, he's the onçy gestalt character in the setting.

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maybe not the best, but atleast the most archetypical

>>54714469
>it was only proven recently
>proven
There's your answer right there. It's been speculated long enough.

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>>54716902
For a good mix of skilled and archetypal I'd say Orpheus.

Though for the archetype Bowie is a good alternative due to the sheer number of over-the-top knockoffs, homages and parodies he's inspired in pop culture.

>>54713480
Advanced Vampire/ 1 Gunslinger with some rank or another of Divinity

>>54715379
Carrot is a much better paladin. Because he is also inspirational, capable of making gangs put down their weapons and shake hands, just so he won't look disappointed in them. He also has a MUCH higher sense of duty, like when he saw his girl be taken in a boat and came back to warn Vimes and get orders instead of going after her alone. Because that's what the procedure manuals say.
Vimes will bend and break rules if necessary. Carrot would never.

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>>54712440
>If Carmen San Diego is the best Thief

Did Carmen ever steal something that's purely conceptual in nature?

>>54715860
You need more than killing demons to be a paladin. Don't use words if you don't know what they mean.

>>54716995
It's tricky because Vimes is closer to the concept. He worships The Law.

Carrot is simply loyal to Vimes, he doesn't have any deep personal conviction.

>>54717041
read the thread, this has been covered already

>>54716995
Carrot is strange. Angua keeps implying there's a darkness in him, but we only see it in the pure ruthlessness of Good when he kills the villain in Men At Arms with no hesitation, trial or regrets.

>>54717041
A dance.
The international date line, which is not only conceptual, but an imaginary concept at that.
Language. Two different ones, both with millions of living speakers.
Sience. All of it.
Time.

Go sit down next to Lupin and weep at the sheer awesome that Carmem Sandiego.

>>54717147
>A dance.
>The international date line, which is not only conceptual, but an imaginary concept at that.
>Language. Two different ones, both with millions of living speakers.
>Sience. All of it.
>Time.

Carmen Sandiego is sounding more and more like a SCP

>>54717187
The SCP verse would probably be heaven for her. It's nothing but bizarre conceptual bullshit for her to steal.

>>54717070
That is not the concept. A paladin is about Good and Law. Good first, because the law can be twisted. Carrot is Good with capital G. He believes people are good deep down and people that aren't irredemable feel like that they should attempt to be what he thinks they are.

>>54717108
We never see that darkness, but we do see Vimes darkness. And
>ruthlessness of Good when he kills the villain in Men At Arms with no hesitation, trial or regrets.
Is perfect paladin behavious. You can't just Detect and Smite, but once you have irrefutable proof, beyond reasonable doubt? Sword the guy in twain from crown to crotch.

>>54717187
>implying she isn't the Director of the SCP institute shit
Why do you think they have such a secure vault system for a lot of mostly harmeless shit?
Some of it is actually extremely valuable.

>>54717108
Because he has not been pushed.

If Lord Vetinari was a bad man and sent men after Carrot Ironfounderson those men would be cut down and so would the next and the next and the next and he would not stop cutting until he cut the throat of Lord Vetinari and took the Throne of Morpork.

But it has not happened, he has not been put in that situation and probably never would be.

But that ruthlessness to do good could get very bloody.

>>54715860
He never does anything besides killing demons, is not a Paladin supposed to be inspirational?

>>54717187
SCP Foundation collects weird shit. A lot of it is shit that should not be collectable by any method, like numbers or contagious dreams.

Who do you think is running the Foundation?

>>54712440
I would argue that, to be the best thief, you also have to get away with the crime.
As soon as a detective has narrowed her location down to A COUNTRY, she gets caught.
Fuck, she never even thinks to leave the city the airport's in.

>>54717187
Honestly, I could see a creepypasta about a language being stolen. Millions of people just forgetting a language ever existed. Could be a cool concept to explore.

>>54717412
She leaves behind clues, she wants a chase and it's not like she wants to keep whatever it is she takes.

>>54717418
Languages disappear and get forgotten quite often IRL, it's just that usually it's because their last speakers keep dying rather than sudden amnesia.

>>54717282
That's just it, we don't see the darkness but it is mentioned. Vimes benefits from being a more developed character and having the narration often take his perspective, whereas everything related to Carrot goes through Angua.
It's still very unusual for a paladin to execute without trial, especially when it's perfectly possible. He did it in Men at Arms because it was important to keep everyone from knowing he was royal.

Vimes and Carrot are both paladins but very different types. Vimes represents Good, Right, Justice and Order as values tempered in defiance of harsh realities, Carrot represents them as ideals that must elevate reality to a greater standard.

>>54717412
If someone/thing can steal Mount Everest, the super massive black hole of our galaxy and Portuguese and gets caught then you can bet your ass that they want to be caught.

And it's not like she doesn't escape immediately.

>>54717356
Lord Vetinari is a bad man by his own admission though. Carrot doesn't take the throne because it's implied even he believes people should do the right thing because it's right and not because he's perfect.
My issue is that if you hadn't read Men at Arms, every time Angua mentions it is very confusing. Pratchett seemingly made a deliberate attempt not to write from his p.o.v. Men at Arms onwards.

>>54717538
I read somewhere that Pratchett intended form him to be the main character of the Watch books but Vimes emerged as a more natural one.

>>54717282
>>54717108
My personal headcanon was always that Carrot is a very cunning and pragmatic headologist of Vetinari's level. His naivety and purehearted optimism is a carefully calculated front. He knows he has charisma and knows how to exploit it, and how to exploit people using it. However, he's truly good and wants to do the best for his subjects, friends and loved ones.

>>54717538
>Lord Vetinari is a bad man by his own admission though.

That's just his opinion.

Under his rule the city flourishes and for the first time in living memory law and order and some basic sens of justice is a reality.

Unless you're a mime artist.

>>54717609
He is a villain and a tyrant, he just also happens to be an extraordinarily effective ruler.

>>54715379
seconded

>>54715189
He gets a buff to willpower and that's it

>>54717657
What do you see him do that's 'villainous'? He's a tyrant in that he sees things done with or without consent, though more and more as he grows older he passes actual responsibilities to the guilds and carefully chosen and groomed individuals like Moist or Vimes. The place is peaceful (relatively), safe (again, relatively), prosperous, and just. More than ever before in it's lengthy history, in fact. Things function properly, graft and corruption are cut down to manageable levels, and the power hungry are dealt with according to the law.

>>54712552
>>54712600
>>54712675
>>54713336
>>54713882
>>54714187
>>54714277
>>54714787
>>54715316
>>54715364
>>54715379
>>54715568
>>54715574
>>54715656
>>54716493
>>54716539
>>54716541
I dispute these.

>>54717900
>he sees things done with or without consent
That sounds quite villanous already

>>54717657
It feels like Vetinari's end game is to slowly give up all the power he has while pretending that it's concessions that he gave people because he just got tired of their complaining. By the time the whole city is a democracy with an amazing standard of living and clean, peaceful streets, no one will even remember the Shades or the wars and assassinations, and other countries will still stay away because they're scared of him and think he's still in power.

>>54714857
>ranger means "uses a bow"
Rangers are expert outdoorsmen. They range. A ranger is "one who ranges".

>>54712440
>International thief well know for refusing to harm so much as a single hair on someones head. Goes out of her way to make sure the only thing wounded is an agents pride if they cross paths. Surrounded by "police" agents with drawn guns and accuracy to match their august skills.

Must be american cops. If a trigger gets pulled 90% of them will be dead before they finish their pants-shitting cowardice magdump.

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Here's your bard right here.

>>54717900
That's the irony.

You also forgot to mention how he uses literal organized crime to instill order

>>54717900
>>54717657
>>54717609
>>54717944

First of, Vorbis is a villain and a tyrant. Vetinari is just a tyrant.
Secondly, Vetinari's opinion of himself is very justified. He had to get a lot of people killed to make things work out for him, even some he killed himself.
Third, the entire point of a city like Ankh-Morpork is that it's non-utopian and self-conflictive to the degree that any other government but tyranny would end in either collapse, stagnation or surrender of all the things that make it great.

>>54718005
>Implying there is any ammunition left unstolen in those weapons

>>54717961
Yeah, that sounds about right. He really wants to do the best for his city, and actually knows how to achieve it. The irony is that he's a villain using villainous methods for a good purpose.

>>54718045
>First of, Vorbis is a villain and a tyrant. Vetinari is just a tyrant.
They're both villains and tyrants, just with different goals and personality traits.

>He had to get a lot of people killed to make things work out for him, even some he killed himself.
And he doesn't have any problems with it, either. That's part of what makes him a villain.

>>54718045
>or surrender of all the things that make it great.
AM is like 4chan, it was never great/good.
Yet just like 4chan, a lot of people enjoy it for what it is.

>>54716451
Not just M.Bison, but all of Raul Julia's lines from his whole film career. She's that good.

>>54716664
Two crazy, rich Eurofag brothers who used their fortune to turn themselves into "cats".

>>54713915

>King arthur
>Not Gawain, Tristram, or Lancelot, the three greatest knights

Also, for palladin: gallahad. No question. Dude was pure enough to "win" the holy grail.

>>54718145
Look, simpleton: a villain is an antagonist. Vetinari is never an antagonist. Ergo he's never a villain.

>>54718161
I would rather live in AM than 4chan though, there's more work done and more work available at any given time.

>>54712721
>conan
>the barbarian
>a fighter
>barbarian

Achilles is a pretty good choice though.

>>54718264

Gawain got his ass beat almost every time he fought someone in Le Morte d'Arthur. Plus the only thing that let him stand up to Lancelot during their final fight was his superstrength, and even then Lancelot stomped him.

Tristram and Lancelot are better candidates for Top Fighter.

>>54714216

Carmen probably stole mamame whatever's design before she even existed. She's just that good.

>>54714688
he litterally defines the class.

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>>54717907
I pitched for some of these and I said the same thing.

We need more people comparable to Carmen Sandiego and ALMOST comparable to Saitama but in their respective class. If they can handle their duties fine and are INDISPUTABLE then they join the Round Table.

>>54714857
What game is this? Looks rad

>>54718231
Didn't one of them die recently? Or was it a different cat-man?

>>54718286
>doesn't know of something called a "villain protagonist"
>calling other people "simpletons"

>>54718477
horizon: zero dawn

>>54714599

>Gain infinite power through constant strength training beyond the point where it causes you physical pain in pursuit of an ideal you don't believe you'll ever be able to reach

Sounds like a monk to me.

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He's indisputable as the likes of our Thief and Monk, but what's his class?

>>54718565
Psion

>>54718024
Oh, he can enchant children! He's as powerful as TV!
The real bard is my nigga Orpheus who could enchant Gods.

>>54718565
DMPC
same as >>54716539

>>54718286
>a villain is an antagonist.
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of! Go read a dictionary and stop making yourself look like the towns fool.

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Druid of all druids, no contest

>>54718530
Not that a villain protagonist is actually a villain, but Vetinari isn't a fucking protagonist either. He's consistently a tritagonist for the protagonist in the Ankh Morpork novels.
Have you actually read any Discworld or are you just being sanctimonious for no reason?

>>54718672

You don't get to be a druid if you are the actual god of nature.

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>>54716539
Thanks for Headless Headhunter.

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Ninja.

>>54718585
Are Psions capable of playing with the universe on a molecular level? He may be something else.

>>54715070

No, hes a bard. He never uses heavu armour, the heavoest being the magic tunic in twilight princess, he CAN cast spells, but only if he finds them(link to the past), and so on.

>>54718654
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain
1. A character in a story or play who opposes the hero.
The other definitions aren't related to literature.
You can't be a villain if you're not an antagonist.

>>54718783
If they're powerful enough then basically yeah.

>>54712552
Fighter: Conan
Wizard: Merlin
Thief: Also Conan

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>>54714323
>And the real kicker is that she also has accurate time travel so she can pop up in any place and time.


Carmen Sandiego vs The Shrike.

Who comes out on top?

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Guess I'll post those who might be indisputable. And if you can logically dispute, dispute.

What about Final Madoka?

>>54718477
run away, HZD is overpriced garbage that gets dull after the first couple of hours.

>>54718678
I never said that Vetinari is a protagonist. I merely mentioned it to prove that a villain isn't necessarily an antagonist.

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>>54718919
The Spectre?

>>54718878
>Who comes out on top?
Depends on their mood~

>>54718783
>>54718802
Depending on the edition, not really. iirc Psionics don't even really get transmutation equivalent so they can't really rearrange matter on subatomic level.

Can people stop posting omnipotent or nigh omnipotent beings? They don't represent a class if they "can do whatever"

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>>54718790
>No, hes a bard. He never uses heavu armour, the heavoest being the magic tunic in twilight princess,

Um.

>>54718979
But Wizards can do "whatever".

That being said people like Gandalf, Saitama, Dr.Manhatten would most likely be some kind of monster. Not just X with class levels. Saitama would be a plot device and wouldn't have stats at all.

>>54718477

Horizon Zero Dawn. Seems to be pretty cool, according to both of my friends who bought it.

>>54718790
The he's not a bard since bards don't find spells. He's from a classless system.

>>54718962
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/realityRevision.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/trueCreation.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/genesis.htm

>>54718937
A villain (definition other than one) protagonist isn't necessarily an antagonist. A villain (definition one) is necessarily an antagonist. A villain (definition other than one) doesn't qualify for discussion of a fictional character's characterization due to being imprecise, fallacious and misleading.

>>54719019
Gandalf could be an NPC, I think

>>54714857

Aragorn is the guy the DnD Ranger was named for and he mostly used a sword.

>>54719092
Gandalf being an NPC still doesn't mean he wouldn't be some kind of Outsider like a Solar or something. All monsters are NPC's kinda by definition.
>>54719044
Oh right. I forgot about those since my GM's usually ban wish/equivalents and demiplane creation. And the fact no one really plays to those levels. So I guess you're right.
Though honestly I feel like Professor Xavier/Magneto would make a better archetypal example

>>54713101

Waldo always gets found so he's like a level 1 rogue

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>>54713957
i have the BEST space marines to ever grace the fictional universe of WH40K.

>>54718800

But everyone is the protagonist of his own story. Therefore villains do not exist