Song of Swords: Discord is gay

>>54711689
Aye and here is discord link in case you want to embrace the gayness
https://discord.gg/d66n2SW

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Shameless self-bump

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I've picked the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. homebrew back up again and did a little bit of work on it. Now back to doing fuck all for a few months again I guess.

>>54713827
Nice. Reminds me of a homebrew I once tried to do for Twilight 2013.

>>54711689
>Note that the latest version of the game is v1.3.
Fix the fucking OP before you make a thread.

>>54716026
You could have made the thread. You had the chance.

so did I

>>54713827
Sweet, look forward to checking out this iteration.

>>54713827
Love ya senpai

>>54713827
Some of this weird artifact stuff would have a good place in the regular Ballad setting too. Good work.

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>>54721562
Oh great, you are giving Jimmy more ideas. Next update we will see Zells squatting upside down on the ceiling telling Rahoos to get out of here. And whalebone driftwood that becomes artifacts after drifting in the currents of the Void for years and soaking in its energies. And bloodsuckers. And damki. Do you enjoy yourself now?

>>54721743
Ballad will become the meme setting to rule all other meme settings. The prophecy has foretold this.

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Tell me more about food, Jimmy.

>>54722678
No, tell me more about Kalmacia.

Please.

My game is tomorrow and I don't know anything about the place.

>>54721743
What do Ballad Zells call "The Floor is Lava?"

The Zellislava

>>54722789
Coastal slavic nation. Shit tons of agricultural produce, nation is built like a staircase down to the sea so defense is easy.

>>54725513
I've got that stuff. I need some real plot hooks.

Unfortunately, large countries have little to no depth in their description right now.

Sooooo, how are simultaneous maneuvers in melee combat resolved exactly? I dont understand.

Two character declare aggressive/aggressive. They choose their maneuver. The initiative roll is a tie.
"If they tie, the two characters resolve their Maneuvers against each other simultaneously, with all Stun and Pain being deferred until after both Maneuvers go through (this has the great potential to kill both fighters!)."
This much I get. They fuck each other up.

"If one fighter wins, than he resolves his Maneuver first, applies all effects of that Maneuver against his opponent, and only afterwards (if able), does the other character resolve their Maneuver."
Wins what? When does a character resolve his maneuver first?

>>54725974
Initiative roll, I think

>>54725974
The initiative roll, which is an opposed ADR+Range Bonus+Misc roll.

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>>54726392
>>54726442

Oh shoot. I read that completely wrong.

>>54725838
OOh, yeah.

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Any houserules for ranged combat? Maneuvers etc.?

>>54729004
>that ayy lmao relief above his head
kek

As to what you asked: I don't really know what maneuvers you'd do in Ranged combat. Not like there are millions of techniques like there are in melee combat. You aim, pull, release, hit/miss. Or you aim, pull the trigger, hit/miss.
Then again, I don't know much about ranged combat. Maybe there is much much more to it.

>>54729004
I've been toying with different ways to make ranged weapons lose damage over distance. So a bow wouldn't have the same damage at ten yards as it would 300 yards. I'm still tinkering with the exact formula though.

>>54731287
Firing at a high enough arc to reach maximum range with a bow should mean that the arrow is coming down at terminal velocity, which is less power than a flatter trajectory would have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIsBg9keH38

>>54732954
The arc of an arrow is not that heavy unless you're aiming for range alone without any consideration for accuracy. Shooting for accuracy, which is how a bow would be used as opposed to Hollywood raining volleys, would be fairly flat.

>>54734580
>>54732954
>maximum range

>>54731287
>300 yards

You can still be decently accurate at that range if you're a well trained archer.

>>54734989
Yes, you can be decently accurate. But doing so requires a relatively flat shot, which means some power is going to be lost. That's why armor penetration, if possible at all, can only happen at extremely short ranges. You can conceivably shoot out much further, but you aren't going to be able to shoot accurately.

>>54730335
The best I can think of is re-adding Superior versions to ranged maneuvers.

Anyone run a game recently?

>>54740320
I'm desperately trying to get a Krajina game off the ground. Two weeks and we've had to cancel both times.

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>>54742208
>You will never brutally oppress ciderniggers with your Slav-Norman friends

>>54742265
Sorry, Best Girl. The players are going down the route of revolting against the Krajini.

>>54742280
I can't wait to get my liberal friends to die for queen and country in the Void.

>>54745078
>not squatting on a boat and shooting anyone else who comes near you

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1_N78QN1Z5G24K-FBIbzg

Is this guy legit?

>>54747601
Dunno, but seems lacking in presentation skill.

>>54749612
This. Pretty stuttery and kind of awkward. I don't think he's spouting bullshit though.

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Been real quiet around here recently.

What comic is the Op pic from?

>>54754094
Cyanide and Happiness.

>>54754094
Artesia.

Try Googling some of the proper nouns in the image along with "comic" next time

>>54742265
I'd have run one already but I don't want it to come off as corny, I'm trying to synthesize a medieval english and slavic accent and have it actually sound good.

>>54754894
Make sure the Albish half is Anglo-Saxon and not Norman English.

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>>54754773
Jebus.

>>54755604
Welcome to Vosca.

>>54755604
How the fuck does he come up with this shit?

>>54746050
Not infiltrating and destroying Chironite cells while being directed and funded by a mysterious patron.

It turns out the patron is Chironite Internal Affairs and you're doing his wetwork for him.

>>54757575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jz4ptyVlrk
>I haff never met ein patriot who was not ein SCHWEINHUND!

>>54755604
>>54755604
>samojeds
>the actual ancestors of the sami
>fleshturd monsters
JIMMY! MY SIDES!

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>>54754094
Artesia. You can download it here, it has comic, RPG and some additional lore
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/iz0m2xwfswf33/Artesia

So, Jimmy hates pineapple on pizza. I knew there was a reason I didn't trust him.

>>54762932
I guess everyone has his faults, anon.

I know it's probably not real high on the priority list, but should missile ranges be looked at? The vast majority of Thrown weapon has equal or better range than a Hunting Crossbow, and a few have better range than a Heavy Criossbow, which seems ludicrous.

>>54763500
The thrown weapons have numbers from the old way of calculating range, I think. They should actually probably have a range of like 3.

>>54763701
I wouldn't mind seeing heavy x-bows at 20 range anyways and hunting/light at 15, though I suppose the aim bonus makes up for this a bit.

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>>54762932
And my respect for him increases.

>>54764843
>not liking pineapple, bacon, canadian bacon, jalapenos, and onions.

Some guy in my group wants to play a two-handing club wielder. Will he survive? How necessary are shields in this game? How can I make it work as a GM?

>>54766567
Ohanedin, knobbed mace, light armor talent tree.
Alternatively, go as heavily armored as possible.

>>54766567
It's actually pretty valid imo, clubs (maces in-game) can be pretty hurtful and debilitating.

>>54767339
>>54767830
Ohanedin is perfect. I had not taken a closer look at the other races and hewmahn seemed to be too puny for the clubmeisterschaft.

>>54766353
Sounds good if you throw jalapenos out. I like my pineapples on pizza with lots of cheese and onions.

>>54768296
A human with decent armor would work too, but if you insist on a club and not just a mace or other blunt implement the Ohanedin build is both extremely powerful and close to fluff.

>>54768317
Patrician choice:
Broccoli, red onions, almonds cut into thin sticks and gently roasted, a spritzer sauce hollondaise.

>>54768471
>Broccoli
Never tried those on pizza. Are they good?

>>54768638
Depends on the cook and the quality of the vegetable. Just try it out. If your go to pizza joint is a little overconfident with the amount of topping, tell'em: Eh Marco, scoozi, not'a so many broccolis. Grazie.

>>54768471
>almonds & hollondaise
Does that beat Red Onions, Bacon, Pulled Pork, BBQ Sauce

>>54770085
New York style pepperoni only. Keep it simple!

>>54754773
>>54761819

Thanks for helping guys!

>>54771356
Lame as hell bro. How can someone with such an extensive maneuver list have such a limited toppings list?

Sweet Thai Chili Chicken 4 lyfe!

>>54768296
O-din are great because you don't really need to worry about your weapons DTN.

>>54770085
All pizza is good, as long as it isn't fucking Chicago style.

Why is it always ham & pineapple and not pepperoni & pineapple?

>>54776343
Chicago style's really just a flattee bread bowl.

>>54740320
I ran my first session last weekend.

>>54779459
Hawaiians are really into ham.

>>54779459
I like both. And bacon.

>>54771356
>jimmy stops by the thread
>only to shitpost about pizza
Where's our tepid tuesday loredump?

How is switching weapons during a melee bout handled?

>>54786486
Dropping a weapon usually costs no CP,. To quick draw a weapon, there's a maneuver for it under Weapon Attack maneuvers.

>>54786486
You're supposed to be able to draw a weapon over the course of one Action as a miscellaneous action, but that part was accidentally removed from 2.0. All it requires is you have at least 1 die in your CP. If you get overshocked before you complete it, it fails. That's also how you're supposed to get up from prone.

>>54789468
Does this include large weapons like 2H Blunt or Polearms?

>>54786486
Remember that you also choose your active proficiency at the start of each round.

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>>54711689
Jimmy, you've forgotten to tell us the most important things of a fictional setting. The food. What's food in the Void now like? Are their swathes of frozen goods and cans lining Chironite department stores? Can I buy a sandwich for eighty shillings in Albion?

If you don't have answer, surely someone else does. For anyone that's run a game in the Ballad setting, what's food like?

>>54795332
>forgotten
https://warosu.org/tg/thread/S39229901#p39255300

But yeah, we don't know what farms look like in the Void.

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>>54795500
That seems to be a Vosca rather than Void post.

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>>54711689

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>>54711689
Sinking into the depths is not what this thread was made for

>>54799460
I'd love to sink into her depths though.

>>54799460
SoS threads are a rare form of Din. Their focus is fechting and devouring lore nuggets as an Orredin would magestone.

When a thread is denied it's focus it becomes mortal again and ages until death creeps up in it's sleep as the decrepit Din lies friendless and alone.

>>54800492
Din accidental deaths must be real fun, like falling off a flight of stairs or ingesting the gold-cyanide solution instead of a beaker of water

>>54800492
>fechting
Btw have we had fecht in the newest 2.0 version yet?

What are the RS for surgeries (Difficult, Miracle, etc.) supposed to be?

>>54801198
on page 99 of 2.0 it defines the RS for performing a surgery as "Wound level x2", so wound level 4 would be 8 RS

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>>54801198

>>54801461
>>54801449
Alright, thanks

>>54801477
Ctrl+F is your friend

>>54801576
I had seen that already, but I assumed surgery vs. things like crippled limbs would be a different difficulty, and the list shown was just to treat a wound.

>>54791845
Yes.

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Next version of Sword & Scoundrel released today. Next release should have what's needed to actually play combats.

>>54801603
Crippled limbs don't really come into play before level 4 very often. That's 8 RS, more than stopping internal bleeding, though feel free to tack on a few extra extra RS if you think the word 'miracle' is worth it.

>>54805117
Required successes already being twice the wound level is enough, for the situation one of my players are in I'm giving him a second chance in a clinic at +1 RS the day after. The wound will probably get infected too

>>54804635
Looking really good! Love the editors annotations from page 106 onward
But really, good seeing it coming along nicely as well

>>54804635
>still no maneuvers
What are they even updating?

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>>54807005
They added in money and weapons and armor this time around. I take this to mean they're adding in Maneuvers next update, which will probably be in two weeks.

>>54807005
>>54807144
Looks like the weapon building shit is in this one. Do we go back to calling them Builder now?

>>54807279
Did we ever stop?

>>54808559
Maybe when they stopped calling the game Band of Bastards? Or maybe we didn't pick it at all?

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Double Edged, Extended, Severe Taper, Tuck

-1c/+4p Maille Piercing

4+Brawn Tap Value+BS on hit
If our Brawn taps are identical, that's a guaranteed level 5 on 1 BS to an unarmored area, and a level 2 on 1 BS to mail.

>>54808580
They stopped calling it Band of Bastards?

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>>54808716
Band of Bastards is dead. The devs stopped working on it. Sword & Scoundrel is a different game. It's what they've chosen to create instead of working on Band of Bastards further.

>>54804635
Have you seen its new name? >>54808716

>>54808716
Maybe it has something to do with google search showing gay porn before their game

>>54808770
IIRC, that is the exact reason their forum gives for the name change.

>>54808746
>>54808747
>>54808770
Wow. I guess they didn't market hard enough. But to jump because "oh noo, gay porn shows up when people search for our game" should probably have been a critical lesson for the devs

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Hafted weapon
Blade*, Beak, Hammer, Extended, Hefty, Queue Spike
(4c,3p,4b/-1p,-2p,-2b)
*Single Edged, Blade Heavy, Curved
cost R6

I don't even know what this frankenweapon looks like

>>54808944
Would it be immoral to use kickstarter money to instead fund "Sword &Scoundrel! The Adult Musical Extravaganza"?

I'm asking for a friend.

>>54809108
Better question is there market for 17th century costume porn?

>>54809105
Poleaxe with one of the memey monk's spades on top instead of a spike.

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>>54809167
If you build it, they will cum.

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>>54809233
What's so much better about a cestus than a gauntlet that makes a cestus +1 damage more? Isn't a cestus just metal studs on the knuckles?

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>Jimmy drunkenly shares novel
>This boring as fuck intro

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Not too many options with bows

Super Bow 7p, Short/Long
Composite, Epic, Long, Stiff, Whiskers
cost R7

>>54810079
I warned him that dry historical context is better put somewhere besides the front page.

>>54810079
Jimmy wrote a book?

>>54810226
And what about those longbows Japanese used on horseback?

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>>54810658
Just make an exception for them in your game. Grand Heresy doesn't seem too keen on the weebs. They don't even have a katana in their premade swords.

>>54810226
Wait a minute, how did Poaching Bow get Silent quality?

>>54810862
Whiskers is probably supposed to give that trait, although it isn't listed in the traits available.

>>54810226
Yeah, these tables are solved too easily. There is one best direction for upgrades or maybe two opposite directions.

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>>54810902
>best
I wouldn't be so sure. They don't seem to be as laissez–faire as SoS with weapon use. Read this part.

>>54810226
> Super Bow 7p, Short/Long
> Composite, Epic, Long, Stiff, Whiskers
> cost R7
illegal. Read the chart you posted.
Long bow requires self-bow. Also, an Epic Bow would require you to have Brawn 10. According to the priority tiers, that's a pretty substantial investment and requires a tier 5 attribute pick (their highest). R7 is also more than a full suit of basic plate.

>>54810998
>Long bow requires self-bow.
Good catch.
>Also, an Epic Bow would require you to have Brawn 10. According to the priority tiers, that's a pretty substantial investment and requires a tier 5 attribute pick (their highest). R7 is also more than a full suit of basic plate.
I don't care, I was making a maximum bow.

>>54810987
I don't see anything limiting this approach here

>>54811144
Cramped terrain is probably a thing and who knows how encumbrance works.

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>>54711689
wtf even is this thread

>>54811632
Apparently it's a gay club

>>54811632
>BROYGBIVGWB

>>54811632
It's for gay pizza enthusiasts.

>>54811378
Looks like S&S doesn't take the SoS approach of making broadheads the objectively best arrow type

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What do you think about these things? Is Grand Heresy going to blow Opaque out of the water?

>>54813211
Even IF scoundrels should be the better System, I backed SoS not only because its an autistic fecht simulator but also brcause of the tattered realms. Never heard of a more fucked up AWESOME Setting. Also had my first fecht this week and tho my char was heavily understatted it was much FUN

>>54813211
I think I've heard these things from other dev team back in 2013

>>54814765
They've been working on this game for longer than Opaque. And now they're starting all over again. Soon has become Never Ever for them.

>>54817252
Are they actually starting completely over? I thought it was just a name change.

>>54820097
It's d6 pools instead of d10.

>>54820097
Looks like half a restart. It's still a TROS game and a lot of the functions are the same. They changed a handful of things with the rename, tho. D6s instead of d10s, Edges & Flaws became Traits, and they added abstract money rules. So far the changes look like a step for the better.

>>54811688
Business as usual, now we just need some coffee in here to complete the gay circle.

>>54820236
>d6
Did they look at the BoIT changes and decided to cut it in half? Why would they do that?

>>54711689
i want Artesia AitKW 2e already

>>54822265
Go to facebook and tell Mark to do that

>>54822265
I want continuation of the comic to be honest. I want to see MC at the trial and burnt at the stake.

>>54822378
the doublestrike sword dude!

>>54820434
Abstract money is never a change for the better.

>>54820097
As was said earlier, Sword & Scoundrel is a different game from Band of Bastards. That's why BoB stopped having updates back in November.

>>54822024
They explained it on their forums somewhere.

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Is this a good concept?

>>54826458
Which concept?

>>54827566
Which do you think, dipshit?

>>54826458
Yeah, I think it is. I never liked having replacement characters start with too big of a handicap.

>>54827844
There were two. Retainer advancement and Karma. I like both, particularly since their system has places where you burn points for stuff that isn't advancement

>>54828104
It seems to be just a more elaborate way of giving new characters an amount of Arc equal to whatever has been spent, in SoS terms.

>>54829465
At least it's an attempt at quantifying it, as opposed to GM's having to wing it.

>>54828582
True. And the whole advice for followers is pretty good.

>>54822368
nah i'll rather win at lottery and finance the poor sod, i feel it's high time

Not related to SoS directly, but since people here know a lot about weapons: what weapons would be best for causing massive, total damage to an organic body? Like, if you just had to obliterate something as badly as possible.

I'm thinking about this campaign idea for a medieval Dead Space -style monster scenario, where the monsters don't have any real life functions that could be stopped, and may also be massive, necessitating evisceration and obliteration to such a degree that they physically lose cohesion and just can't function any more.

In a scenario like that, what weapons would actually be feasible for taking down huge fleshy abominations that don't care about regular trauma?

>>54833939
A big ol' billhook

>>54833939
Bardiche
Hook the leg, chop the meat.

>>54833939
a big ol' flanged mace with really sharp flanges. heck, make em blades, why not?

>>54834694
Would a bladed mace be any good, though? Seems to me like a weapon with blades projecting in all directions would be clumsy at best.

That being said, how good is gross blunt force at destroying a body? Can you put enough bludgeoning in a wieldy enough package that you could, theoretically, demolish a monster like that?

I know blunt weapons can absolutely ruin a man, shatter bone and ruin soft tissues as well. But I'm wondering how well something like that would do in a scenario like this, compared to something that can cleave into bodies.

>>54833939

Either polearms (not spears), like a poleaxe or stuff like a naginata, basically a good choppy eviscerate bit at the end of a long staff.

To allow to keep your distance, but also to allow you to build momentum/leverage and thus stronger impact.

Another that you can do, well, giant fucking hammers. Crush the shit under you, but this would require the users to be a lot stronger and why they are so strong?

Think of a tenderiser/cooks hammer, its not flat, but the striking surface is filled with this 'piramid' shaped edges that will help to break apart things

>>54834992
Seems to me like teamwork would be pretty good for this. People with long polearms to keep them at distance/hold them in place, and people with dismantling tools.

Possibly more polearms. Just throw more polearms at the problem. Just in general, as a life advice.

>>54711689
Is Chiron's fascism more analogous to Italian Fascism, German Fascism, or is it something more liberal given that Chiron's version of nazis are monarchists? I'm trying to wrap my head around what the trade economy of Ballad is supposed to look like.

>>54835375
Chiron's Hitler is Hermann Sternfleischer. Sternfleishcer Industries is basically Focke-Wulfe and Messerschmidt combined. I'm betting he didn't legislate himself out his own company, so it's probably more of a merger of state and corporate power than the nationalization of heavy industry.

Then again, if you took over the government, giving the government sole control over all industry would be the same as usurping it personally, so maybe he did. It's also hard to tell what the power relationship between Sternfleischer and Richtofen is from the text given. I'm not sure what ideological basis the Chironite regime has actually, economics were not really mentioned at length in any of Jimmy's loredumps.

Is this correct:

A and D are fighting. It is Action 1 and A has Initiative. A declares a Swing with 7 dice at D’s Left Upper Leg. D lowers his Medium Shield to protect his leg and declares a Thrust with 7 dice at A’s Chest. Since A has Initiative, his Maneuver resolves first. Rolling 7 dice, A gets 5 successes. He lands a hit and rolls for Hit Location: Hip. His SDB is +4, his weapon damage +1 and his BS give additional +5 damage. The total damage value is 10. Since A’s Swing landed on the left Hip of D, and D had his shield lowered, D’s Hip is protected by his shield. D’s defense is +6 from TOU and +10 AV from the shield. With a total of +16 defense A’s hit is negated. Now D resolves his Maneuver...

Specifically: Can the shield position be changed during maneuver declaration in an aggressive/aggressive scenario?

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>>54799460
Good job for holding focus and posting best girl.

>>54835474
>D’s defense is +6 from TOU

Well that bit's not right anyway.

>>54835594
How so?

>>54835375
It fluctuates. The current Chironic ruling body's ideology isn't explicitly economic in nature, it's just hyper-nationalist. In most cases, industries are nationalized and then re-privatized on a case to case basis, or are simply given orders with the expectation that they will fulfill them at cost. Sternfleischer's own company still operates privately, but only because Sternfleischer, being the man in charge, operated the company at a loss for the entirety of CWII, only being reimbursed for lost revenue after the war.

The Reich is very even-handed in this regard, but it is absolutely merciless to corporations which attempt to work around their regulations. The system is not as efficient as a proper market-driven economy, but it is very good at cranking out tens of thousands of warplanes and building metric fucktons of flak towers. The system bears something in common with the Soviet "commanding heights" doctrine, but less explicit. The state of Chiron prefers the carrot to the stick, as it were, but the stick is still there, and it sways menacingly over the heads of those who might fail to please the Autarch or his apparatchiks.

>>54722789
Oh hold on I'll get you in a second.

>>54835650
In the new version all TOU is 4. You can still raise it with traits I believe but that's it.

As per your example I believe you must declare your shield position at the beginning of the round and can only move it on your turn.

>>54836850
Is it what I think it is? Somebody is trying to tame his inner weeb?

>>54833939
Cannons. Fire. Bombs. Rockslides.

Depending on the properties of the "flesh" of these things, it is hard to say if blunt or chopping attacks are better. The short answer is that you'd need a lot of dudes to attack them fast and hard enough to negate their threat with any reliability- one guy with a polehammer is in for a bad time if he makes a mistake, and just cutting off limbs and chunks with an axe feels like a losing method if you're only causing yourself to become outnumbered.

>>54835426
He did elaborate at one point that Richtofen wants to pursue some kind of agrarian idyllic state as his endgame

>>54837613
At the end of the day, Richtofen is a fish out of water. He's just Frederick the Great, giving every German a potato as opposed to the psycho that was Wilhelm II.

>>54837074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKaJqm_ovPY

yo

>>54835968
And he was never heard from again.