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>>54705701
I am Alpharius.

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>>54705701
>>54705711

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>>54705729
make room for girlyman in there ..

holy fucking shit abadon the despoiler is going to be beastmode chaos army!!!!

(see pic)

1 point cheaper than codex indext.. 4+invuln (has mark of tzench) sorceror of tzench can cast spell on him to make his invuln 3+

still re-roll misses
still units wihin 12" auto pass morale
WARMASTER: IF HE IS YOUR WARLORD YOU GAIN AN ADDITIONAL +2 COMMAND POINTS.

Loyal faggots BTFO.
Chaos Space Marine Christmas has begun!!!!
how can girleyman even compete??

Third for Magnus did nothing wrong

>>54705740
>Girlyman is Omeg in some fan theories
Made me chuckle at least.

Also holy shit Abadon found his arms finally. Can't wait to face him down.

Deployment solely of soul grinders when?

>>>/m/15749983

/m/, the most chaotic board on 4chan, might throw their hat into Konor. They got a strawpoll to make Japanese news so this might be worth bringing up.

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Reposting because bored

Anyone else encountered a club that makes everyone roll from cups/other containers rather than your hand?

They said something about people being able to cheat by manipulating rolls, which seems vaguely possible but also incredibly paranoid and it really ruins the atmosphere

>>54705688
That never happened anyway. The Necrons blew up a machine to kill loads of Nids. That's it. They weren't interested in helping the BA especially after Dante tried to kill whatshisface The Traveller.

>>54705700
Nah that was my final humour chevron sentence.

>>54705719
It was sarcasm mate. As for a 'paragraph of text in the rulebook', I'm talking about the novel mate. There is a novel about the event.

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>>54705775

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Ninth for Talos. What are your plans 8th legion bros? Stripping and repainting my NL contemptor and ordering some night lord upgrade parts from Uncle Xiao for some fresh Chosen boyos.

>>54705752
When you stop fucking posting about it and do it

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Currently weighing the pros and cons of making a homebrew SM chapter. Is using a homebrew chapter seen as weird or faggy to other players?

>>54705740
Anon, I hate to tell you this, but that's nowhere close to guilliman levels of cheese. That's calgar levels, hell all he has over calgar is the morale bubble, +1T and the extra attacks from Drach'nyen. All that for 52 points more.

He's good, but you really need to improve your ability to judge units at a glance.

>>54705775
>The most chaotic board
>/m/
U wot

>>54705740
So, how do people run Abaddon "The last fucker with a 2E era Terminator model" the Despoiler nowadays?

Kitbashed Cataphracti Terminator? The FW Heresy era model?

>>54705814
It doesn't seem so, I'm just getting into the hobby and it seems encouraged

>>54705785
Accept the fact that whenever the Nids are about to "eat" a major faction. Something is going to stop them. They are simply the NPCest of the NPCs.

You get to eat minor chapters and other things like that.

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>>54705701
We will return

>>54705814
Depends entirely on what you want to do.
So what are you thinking about for a homebrewed chapter?

>>54705827
https://1d4chan.org/wiki//m/

The board has devolved into anarchy and Malal is considered their chaos god there because everyone fights anything and everything in their path. It got extremely fucking bad in 2013 and never recovered.

>>54705832
i use my 2nd edition model. (fuck crapcast) till a new one comes out.

i thought about converting a horus heresy model of Horus (just gotta give him a top knot and a demon sword) but i can't justify the cost. maybe a recast one tho.) (and fuck all those spikes)

>>54705841
that would make my year. CSM becoming competettive (unless codex escalation kicks in)
and a race i wanted to play since 2nd edition finally returning...

>>54705814
Can be cool or the stupiest thing ever. It's up to you. Some advice: https://jadedgamercast.com/2013/02/26/how-to-create-a-space-marine-chapter/

You don't want to be the next guy to "take the knot."

>>54705835
Speaking of which, would you guys allow using named characters in successor chapters? I mean it might not make sense for Calgar to be hanging out with Howling Griffons but that doesn't mean I don't want to buy and play him.

>>54705814
Making your own dudes is better than ever before. Not only do you get to make your own dudes but you get to use whatever rules for them you want, even the rules from the named dudes. The only thing you can't do is bring the named heroes from some other chapter of dudes, but you can ally your dudes with the named dudes and bring a detachment of each if you want

>>54705884
At that point you'd be running the ultramarines keyword for everything, which is fine just at least put the effort into making it "counts as", so figure out who the Calgar of the howling griffons would be

>>54705832
https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-master-of-crusade/

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>this holster

Will Grey Knights get Primaris Marines or is Cawl unable to fiddle with the Emperor's own geneseed to make Primaris GK?

Will Chapter upgrade sprues for Primaris come out with their releases? Like BA, SW and DA get their unique armour stuff? What about BT? It's putting me off buying them (probably a good thing lol).

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>>54705701
So, Tox Trooper anon, I have a question, and some tid bits when it comes to my faction. But firstly, what is the worst punishment for a Captured Plague Marine?

My current idea is called "The Dip", where giant boiling vats of chemicals are summoned, and the crippled Marines are slowly dissolved, inch by putrid inch, until they are totally dissolved. This fate takes about an hour, and are usually witnessed by both captives and troopers alike.

Some other ideas I has are:


Commissars assigned to the regiment are not only expected to keep up their hygiene, but to harshly punish troopers that are not meticulous in their own.

The Regiment has taken keenly to involving themselves in the health of their allies. Propoganda promoting cleanliness and immunizations often appear when fighting alongside them. However, posters are the least of their allies fears. There are rumors that circulate that the Tox Troopers have no qualms about "euthanizing" other regiments that have become infected with viral diseases.

The Tox Troopers themselves, in contrast to their grizzly method of war, are typically seen as hopeful and energetic, fueled by a mixture of revenge, zeal and a optimistid out look on life.

>>54705884
See
>>54705901

They just need to be a Ultramarines successor for it to work fluff-wise and make sure your opponent knows hey this is Calgar, just with a new coat of paint

>>54705908
What about it?

>>54705926

Given how popular primaris are, I'd expect the latter stuff to absolutely happen. Grey Knight Primaris is an open question though.

Are there any big third party warboss models? I want my bosses to reflect what they can do and be big fuckers

>>54705843
I was thinking either ultra, raven, or dark angels successors but im still not sure. I didnt what to do the typical "traitor legion loyalists" or "grey knights part 2" and just wanted to use a chapter with a fairly balanced way of warfare but is still kind of unique.

>>54705927
>what is the worst punishment for a Captured Plague Marine?
>My current idea is called "The Dip", where giant boiling vats of chemicals are summoned, and the crippled Marines are slowly dissolved, inch by putrid inch, until they are totally dissolved. This fate takes about an hour, and are usually witnessed by both captives and troopers alike.
They wouldn't care much. Plague Marines literally don't feel pain anymore.

>>54705948
Alright then, sounds absolutely fine to me

>>54705884
>would you guys allow using named characters in successor chapters?

You can run your Successor as "count as" Ultramarines with all the Ultra rules by the book. But they aren't really a successor at that point. Their Ultras painted red and yellow.

>>54705926
Grey Knights have the Emperors gene seed? I didn't know that

>>54705927
Plague Marines don't feel pain and you wouldn't be able to capture them alive.

>>54705960
Than what is the worst possible thing to a Nurglite?

>>54705964
That's a meme they are thousand sons successors anyone that tells you different is an A-hole.

>>54705977
bubble bath probably

>>54705936
He can't draw if it's that far back.

>>54705977
I don't know, what's the worst possible thing to a Tyranid? Sometimes it's nothing you can do.

>>54705972
Eh, I'm sure that if you pump enough las into them you'll eventually wind up blowing ones limbs off. Considering how durable they are, I doubt loosing all their limbs would actually kill them. If not, you can always run them over, and pin them under your tank, before brutalizing them.

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>>54705977
>>54705983

>>54705926
>Will Grey Knights get Primaris Marines
Probably not. At least not until after a hypothetical point in the future when all marines have been converted to Primaris.

>>54705987
I don't see a pen/pencil on that model at all. Drawing with a power gauntlet on sounds hard as fuck anyway.

So, at the moment is there a way to run pure daemons without being totally underpowered?
I tried it but the lack of guns really hurt.
Infantry spam doesn't help when you don't benefit from cover and your invul save is only 5++.

>>54705997
Gotta find the brain bugs anon

>>54706011
When Magnus is reformed and they are his marines again it'll be all gravy.

>>54706006
I wish I had that picture saved of a plague marine removing his helmet and melting the hazmat-wearing humans around him.

>>54705964
>>54705981
The Beast Arises series, final book, the Inquisitor tells another Inquisitor that the Grey Knights are made with the Emperor's own geneseed, just like the Custodes, and that they (GK) are superior to Custodes because they're all psykers. A secret to fight Chaos blahblahblah.

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>>54706027
>When Magnus is reformed

>>54705926
>Will Chapter upgrade sprues for Primaris come out with their releases? Like BA, SW and DA get their unique armour stuff? What about BT? It's putting me off buying them (probably a good thing lol).

Maybe. But keep in mind that most of the stuff in the Smurfs Primaris Upgrade sprue is shoulderpads, heads and accesories. You can use other version of chapoter specific bits to mix in with your primaris right now just fine. DA are the only tricky one because robes. But for BA or Wolves just pick up a BA upgrade sprue or SW box.

What does a normal thousand sons list usually have? 2 units of rubrics, 3 or 4 tzangors , a unit of scarab occult and magnus? What do you usually take do deal with armor or is that magnus' job?

>>54705977
Brush his teeth

>>54705983
What do you think the dip is?
>>54705997
Tyrannids are a hivemind; the worst you could do is isolate, restrain and starve it. Plague Marines have a somewhat functional brain. Something must perturb them; I was thinking a chemical bath would be horrorific, since it annhiliates all life down to base compounds.

>>54706019
Daemons are cheap points-wise, if you want to run them without marine buddies I'd suggest running lots and lots of high wound character models in with big packs of lesser daemons. Force them to choose between shooting at high wounds characters that will tear ass and drop lots of smites and shooting at big blobs of little guys that will really mess all their shit up.

Not sure if you're going to win any tournaments, but nobody wins tournaments but the best of the best anyway.

>>54706044
You'll see. Us Sons will come back to our golden father, you'll fucking see!

>>54706038
Why would he ever wear the helmet than?

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Anyone recognise the heads that have been used on these minis? Don't look like anything I'm familiar with but they look very good for AdMech

>>54706056
>the worst you could do is isolate, restrain and starve it.
Yeah, but then all you're doing is starving a wild animal, congrats?

Anyone got the Plague Marine page? Heard they got new weapon options.

>>54706072
I believe those are what are commonly referred to as "skulls", it's like the head bone of a human.

>>54706027
>GK fucking purge the evil part of magnus out using the bits the imperium still has
>they split down the middle during the process
>there's a fucking Chaos Magnus AND a Loyalist Magnus
>Ahriman and the boys are cured
>They follow Magnus back into the light
>Daemon Magnus makes more dust soldiers

ITS STUPID, BUT FUND IT

>>54705901
>>54705933
>>54705963
Well seeing as it's impossible to give successors special rules (since that'd be cool but terrible) being able to paint red and yellow Ultramarines without being gimped for it sounds good to me.

>>54706070
Because the bullet-resistant armor only protects the parts of him it actually covers.

>>54706075
For the more intelligent creatures it would be bad; Tyranid Warriors and up.

>>54706082
with how the crystals of his personality or whatever work this isn't too far fetched

>>54706058
I don't have any greater daemons and Daemon Prince is below 10 wounds now.
I have a Chariot I run as a herald, a Masque, a basic Daemon Prince, and my new custom Daemon Prince.
I do have a soul grinder, 30 daemonettes, and 10 seekers though.

>>54706072
Looks like one of the assassin heads. I doubt that's what you're looking for though.

>>54706082
WE'RE TTSD NOW BOYS

WHERE'S THE CUSTODES CODEX

>>54705987

They should have flipped it around so the grip was facing to the right.

>>54706080
Cheers m8.

>>54706082
Girlymans waifu already reverted the rubric to be a brutal bitch. Ahramin saw that shit starts testing ways to do it. Shows Magnus hey look! Redemption dust is flesh. Oshitwaddup.png

I heard Plague Marines got a price drop. Is this true?

>>54706128
>RUBRIC CRUSH

>>54706084
Basically, you just make your dudes, choose who they 'count-as' and play them with all that Chapter's rules, and it's gravy

>>54706133
2 points, and wait a bunch of new weapons.

>>54706133
They're now 19 instead of 21.

>>54705977
Cause them despair.

>>54706147
>>54706148
That's good. What kinda kit are we looking at?

>>54706078
Plague Weapons - reroll wound rolls of 1, seems all the new plague marine toys have this.

Plague Spewer - Heavy D6 S5 -1ap 1D Plague weapon auto hits not sure if its 8" or 9" range

Plague Belcher Assault D6 S4 0ap 1d plague weapon auto hits, also not sure if its 8 or 9 in range

Bubonic ax melee +1S -1AP 1D Plague Weapon

Mace of contagion melee +2S -1SP 3D plague weapon -1 to hit

Great Plague Cleaver melee X2S -3AP d6D plague weapon -1 to hit

Flail of corruption melee +2S -2AP 2D plague weapon, make d3 to hit rolls each time you attack with this weapon. Excess damage from this weapon is not lost, instead keep allocating damage to another model in the target unit until either all damage is allocated or the target is destroyed.(OMG non-mortal wounds carrying over)

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>>54706133
>>54706167

Fluff pieces you like but will never come to anything?

>Terminus Decree
>The Hidden Threat Under Titan that can wipe out the entire GK Chapter

>>54706084
Certain sucessors have rules and characters. Flesh Tearers or all the FW Badab War ones for example. The point is that you're not allowed to have, for example, Dante and Seth under the same keyword.

>>54706188

I was thinking about what that was recently. I think it is instructions to pull the plug on the Throne and hope for the best

>>54706128
Is there anything this Gary Stu, cannot do?~

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>>54705775
>>>/m/15750051

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>>54706177
Those are all really great, anon. It means Plague Marines are a serious CC unit now.

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The deamon head could make some interesting conversion.

>>54706177
Plague Power Weapons are baller.

I can't wait for the new Plague Marine box.

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I said: This is your God Emperor Of Mankind.

>>54706177
I'm hard just reading this.

>>54706205
Say no to Daddy

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>>54706217
I've seen this before, I wish I saved it.

>>54706208
It's the Defiler mask with 3 lenses added.

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>>54706217
Woops, wrong pic.

>>54706217
No, that's S**neshii artwork and it should be purged.

>>54706186
Jesus fuck the flail of corruption, titty fucking christ.

Why would anyone take a spewer over a belcher? For advancing purposes?

>>54706198
In the book Resurrection, it's implied that the Emperor is making people Alpha+ pyskers slowly in the eventual hope that they control their powers and all of humanity becomes it. And according to one of the Alpha+ pyskers in the book, it's going to happen because time is a flat plain.. Though I bought the Collectors Edition so it came with the short story The Blessing of Saints, which implied that The Emperor was controlling the Saint or at least empowering him and the Saint couldn't control it so he asked to be killed and the Inquisitor who does it believes it wasn't the Saint asking to be killed but somebody else, which is implied the Emperor. As in the Emperor is begging to be killed cause he's in so much pain and shit. But implying that Saints, like Celestine, are Emperor powered people who managed to control his power

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>>54706235
I think it's the right pic.

Oh shit Chaos is quickly overtaking the UK region of Konor. The bastards might actually pull through

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>>54706217
>Not wanting to protect her smile
Truly you are the foulest of all the heretics

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>>54706177
>Bubonic Axe
>Mace of contagion
>Great Plague Cleaver

Holy Fuck, I cant wait

>>54705926

I just want rescaled GK miniatures, since paladins are literally terminators with the primaris template applied to them (+1W/+1A) so I already have what I want, ruleswise.

>contemptor with dual butcher cannons is 203pts
>contemptor with dual fists and soul burners is 247

Hrm

>>54706230
http://imgur.com/a/wBNlu

I went and got it for YOU.

>>54706217
I love the Imperium now

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>>54706273
>>54706230
>>54706217

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>>54706273
Oh sweet, thanks, I was just searching in another tab too.
You are a legend kind anon.

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>>54706251
They should, they have the defense advantage AND a massive buff from their codex.

>>54706217
Cute girls with thick eyebrows are my fetish.

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>>54706273
Based anon

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Fucking Heretics


>>54706279

>>54706217
Imagine the warpstorms every time her PMS comes

>>54705926
let's face it Cawl probably has acquired GK geneseed somehow anyways
aren't most chapters required to send some of theirs back to Mars to check for mutations anyways
hard to imagine that GKs won't do that considering they have to be all pure and shit

>>54706101
Not really, they don't even have digestive systems, they're literally born with the goal of killing as many things as they can before they starve to death.

They're just going to spend the whole time trying to escape and murder anyone who gets near them.

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>Melee Plague Marines

>>54706306

Most of the mechanicus and administratum are completely unaware of the existence of the GKs, they wouldn't send in their geneseed like that.

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models that are so good you are disgusted.

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>>54706273

Question about the event. If a match is Imperium v Imperium, how do the points go?

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>>54706279
>>54706289
You're welcome. I've collected and curated lots of 40k R34 over the years, trying to shift through the shit (I still have a lot, sadly). I did make a imgur gallery for lots of stuff but it can only take 150 pictures.

I have such wonderful things...

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>>54706328
Unf

>>54706331
>imperium wins, point to imperium :^)

>>54706328
Pretty class.

>>54706341
There are Orc cheerleaders in Blood Bowl 2 Legendary Edition.

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>>54706332

>>54706331
You have to pick who is chaos and who is imperium in that case silly.

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>>54705740
I-is that all?

how low the mighty have fallen

>>54706332
How much is Slaanesh?
Because I've noticed a disturbing lack of Slaanesh content in the places I check.

>>54706306
afaik GK geneseed is kept on titan in their big vault that no one is allowed to touch
And the fluff so far has only mentioned that Cawl experimented on the geneseeds of all 20 legions.
I doubt they would bring up the two missing legions without fanfare, but then surprise everyone with GK primaris.

>>54706331
You roll to see who is attacker and who is defender. Attacker victory counts as Chaos.

>>54706357
I'm well aware

>>54706331
Stores are allowed to record as they see fit, so long as all wins are registered. At my store, faction mirror matches allow the winner to declare which faction to give the win to.

>>54706267

I'm not convinced the butcher is 20 points better than the kheres t b h

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>>54706363
>how low the mighty have fallen
dunno ask these guys

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>>54706321
>movement 5 "melee" plague marines
>movement 4 "melee" plague terminators

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>>54706364

>>54706383
Shoulda bought battle foam :^)

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OBLITERATORS ARE ASSAULT 4 NOW

THANK YOU BASED FLESHMETAL DEITY

Realistically not an amazing buff, but I might actually start using some in smaller games now.

>>54706177
>those digits of nurgle
>the rumour about the plague marine kit being a dual-kit for a melee-type is sort of true
Alright I'm gonna post another rumour I heard from this guy now.

The Death Guard Terminators can all take Plague "flamer" style weapons like the Spewer/Belcher, and have a special rule that Deep Strikes them anywhere over 7" away from the enemy instead of over 9" so they can shoot as soon as they drop.

>>54706384
>what is a dedicated transport
keep squirting that ink cloud, xenos scum

>>54706384
>Death Guard are a melee race!
>M4"

>>54706390
no shit..

rule #1 of carry cases.. ZIPPERS NOT LATCHES
rule #2 of carry cases.. TOPLOAD IF POSSIBLE.

>>54706397
>>what is a dedicated transport
The first thing I destroy.

>>54706393

how much do they cost now?

they blow shootie terminators out of the water now

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>>54706364
I can only see one that is specifically Slaanesh. As in the God. The rest is either Slaanesh Daemons or CSM.

>>54706374
I know, was more of a general comment mate. My Amazon's are in finally though. They might suck ass, but they're sexy. I want Khorne specific Chaos units. I managed this (only do AI cause MP is sadly abuse cancer).

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>>54706273

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>>54706332
An imgur gallery you say

>>54706407
>I destroy your rhino while your terminators are murdering me
>I destroy your terminators while your rhinos are advancing on me
Awwww, it's going to be so cute watching you panic and make bad decisions

>>54706416
Daemons is fine too.
CSM might be okay.

>>54706414
Still 65, and termies are 31 without wargear, still a good shooty deepstriker

Mutilators still suck ass though, but are 15 points cheaper!

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>>54705701
>Hydra Dominatus

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>>54706341
My penis just turned inside out and crawled inside of my body

Quick, if retarded question (alos too lazy to check any FAQ) does using Black Templars chapter tactics mean no librarians even if not actually black templars?

>>54706128
Reverting the rubric just means that the TSons die of the flesh change. It's perfecting it that is the problem.

Also Magnus will never be redeemed and you missed the entire point of the character if you think so.

>>54706424
It's pretty old and has some random non-40k stuff in it for some reason, but knock yourself out. http://imgur.com/a/pYxT8

>>54706429
Try this link, should have enough for a session. http://imgur.com/a/pYxT8 I need to upload the new content I have really.

>>54706439
You became a post-op tranny?

>>54706427
I destroy your rhino and terminators at the same time because I have a lot of battlesuits.

>>54706432

if power fists are 12 in the CSM codex like they are in the SM codex, termies should end up being 46.

Paying 20 points for an extra wound and essentially TWO always rapid firing plasma guns is pretty damn decent

>>54706439
Remember to dilate regularly or that hole will heal closed.

>>54706438
daww cultistchan all grown up?

>>54706432
Oblits get 3 wounds and 4 shots each while terminators cost slightly less and can take melee weapons.

I think I'd give it to the Oblits vs a 5 pack of terminators for sure and maybe even against a ten pack. if the Oblits roll well on their variable shit. The Oblits are fucked if the Termies get into melee though

>>54706441
No, you can play a successor and have librarians. But then you don't have access to their Relics, Warlord Traits, Characters, or Crusader Squads.

>>54706453
>lots
>of battle suits
Does not fucking compute

>>54706417
Source on that gif?
I like that art style

>>54706453
>HE REALLY PLAYS TAU
kekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk I'm so sorry, get well soon

>>54706382
It's more damage, more range, more ap, and more strength with a big Ld hit on top of that.

>>54706481
Ajin: Demi-Human

>>54706453
>battlesuits
>destroy enemy

pick one

>>54706319
>>54706291
Yeah! Fuck Heretics!

Hydra Dominatus!

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>>54706448
Thank you, based anon.
And farewell, I'm gonna be busy now.

>>54706481
Not him, I'm the guy posting R34, but it's

>Ajin: Shoudou

I think.

>>54706383
>SQUAD BROKEN

>>54706427
But the Rhinos would have the termies in them though?

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>>54706328
another one. I will never bother to paint again. Fuark.

>>54706493
>be retarded
>be you
Pick both

>>54706508
>termies in rhino
kek
its called teleportation or land raiders my man

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>>54706464
>taking power fists

>>54706511
oh look .. it's return of the shitposter

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>>54706490
>>54706504
Anons are once again based, thank you

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>>54706508

Anyone have any suggestions for models for Malefic Lord spam these days? Thinking of getting some old rogue trader psykers or something

>>54706489

same AP, wounds marines on a 2+ but only gets 4 shots instead of 6 which actually gives it a lower average against MEQs.

The Ld debuff is no joke though.

>>54706510
>Even the cloak is detailed
Fuck me
This is too good

>>54705927
If you could capture a Plague Marine?

The best thing to do to any captured Nurgle unit:

bleach
Lysol
detergent
soap
a lot of soap
SOAP

Watch them squirm in horrid disgust as you bring back their armor's original shine.

>>54706511
>be me
>have aids because I'm a pedo fag

>>54706511
fuck off homo

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>>54706328
Neat, I did one of my cultists drunk for fun with almost the exact same color scheme, (on accident I haven't seen this pic before). His highlights are way better + hazard stripes

Death Guard sound like they are getting neat toys... maybe I should not buy Primaris stuff and wait it out.

>>54706526

Granted not mandatory like loyalists but its not a bad choice for 12 points.

>>54706539
custom decals he made. blog is in french, which is why i have never seen it before.

if you are interested http://leskouzes.blogspot.com.au/search/label/The%20Blind%20Necromancers

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oh look at this .. how could it be abused i wonder....

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>>54706553

buy dark imperium and collect both

make them bitter rivals with a long, personal vendetta.

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>>54705701
>bought new glue to assemble models
>have a really tough time
>think i have a bad batch
>turns out its plastic glue

fucking 2 weeks of hell and i just now figured it out.

>>54706508
>termies
>rhino
What?

>>54706524

Oh, then the meme man is screwed since you'll get into melee range regardless of move stat

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>>54706503
Here's some more I just uploaded. Lots didn't upload but it'd take ages to do it one by one to fix it. http://imgur.com/a/edQ1J Enjoy.

>>54706510
I just made this image of my fav models, at least from 30k.

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>>54706568
another.. i'm sure you guys have seen..

>>54706586
Thats actually busted against my TSons.

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>>54706582
solar auxillia is good taste my man.

>>54706568
Not well if your opponent isn't an idiot and zones out his flanks.

>>54706527
>>54706543
>>54706545
The salt is delicious. Don't block me on twitter :^)

Why all the hate for the Word Bearers tactic? Sure, they may have something as good as -1 to hit outside 12, but they are at least better than "Can half the number of shots to advance" and "Ignore Cover". Warlord Trait's not bad either.

>>54706572
I am so sorry anon, I have done that but only for about 1 miniature and it was awful, I cant imagining doing it for 2 weeks.

>>54706571
I have Dark Imperium, the value was too insane not to buy it. Nearly half the price was the book alone. I'm just on the fence about which way to go.

I might wind up building on both eventually, I'm just trying to figure out which first. I keep leaning towards Death Guard though, those sculpts are great (variety wise).

>>54706490
>mfw read underrated manga starting from chapter 1
>they never get popular until months and months later, at chapter 30-50+
>years later an anime adaption comes out
>suddenly everyone's on the bandwagon

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54706568
>capturing objectives
>when all scenarios in the BRB explicitly state objective markers may not be put within 6" of a board edge
Yeah, no. You'll at best be able to capture maybe one objective, and that's assuming someone was retarded enough to both put an objective that close to the board edge AND not sit a squad on it.

>>54706602
i barely look at twitter. nothing really good on it expect a few meme posts.

>>54706606

ignore cover is a big deal if you play in a civilized country

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>>54706596
Yeah. Sexy desu. I like BA terminators. I like all of BA's stuff. I hope they get Primaris upgrade kits soon.

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>>54706596

>>54706606
Black Legions real Legion trait is "we have Abaddon".

Iron Warriors ignoring cover is better than a Morale re-roll and they have one of the best Relics and a decent Stratagem.

>>54706616
Contain your autism dude, thats how just about all media gets popular

>>54706186
I'm guessing the guys I already have with flamers are just rebranding their weapons as plague spewers/belchers now?

>>54706619
I mean, I play pretty cover-heavy, but having to be entirely on the cover makes it a lot less useful than it was, say, in 7e.

>>54706629
Word Bearer relic and Strategem are both pretty decent too. Not as good as the Iron Warriors' relic, but still pretty good.

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>>54706624
my reaction exactly. Disgustingly cool.

>>54706650
The Word Bearers Stratagem is garbage. Summoning is a really shit tactic.

>>54706650
>I mean, I play pretty cover-heavy, but having to be entirely on the cover makes it a lot less useful than it was, say, in 7e.
maybe its because I combat squad but I have no issue getting toe in for 5 man squads for most of my army.

>>54706606
Black Legion traits is better if you consider it as "When we want to go fast for other reasons we have extra firepower". Not something you're actively trying to do every turn.

>>54706650
>but having to be entirely on the cover
You know it just means the unit needs to be entirely on the cover, not every model needs to have its entire base entirely on the cover, right?

If you just have a tiny sliver of base on the cover you're on it.

Furthermore because all wounds are allocated and resolved one at a time, as soon as any models outside the cover are dead, the rest of the squad gets the benefits.

Cover is really good this edition, especially for MEQ.

So why don't CSM have thunder hammers?
Seems like an obvious weapon for Iron Warriors, and a lot of characters had them before the heresy.

>>54706680
Also why has nobody mentioned that Black Legion bikers can turbo boost and still shoot combi plasma, combi bolters, etc? That's crazy good.

Real talk, fucko's
I've been lurking these threads and I've seen some idiots arguing over the strongest/best primarch.

Anyone who doesn't think it's Leman Russ is objectively wrong. He schooled the emps in competition while none of the others could. He was also the executioner because he had the balls to do what others could not. He was also sent to break Magnus because he was the only one capable of doing so. How could any other primarch compare?

>>54706701
He also fucks dogs, which makes him space canadian, which makes him a retarded commie cuckold

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another nice one...

+1 to wound. I don't know if Presiecne is still in but if so .. havocks are getting better.

>>54706701
Yiff in hell furfag, lemon rust a shit

>>54706706

kek wut dood?

>>54706701

Russ is going to have the strongest Primarch rules when he comes out, watch.

>>54706712
It would only make sense.

>>54706696
Because it's a lot less good when you lose the double shots at half range and suffer the -1 and cannot charge on top of that.

Most of the reasons you want to go faster are to:

>Get close enough to charge, or
>Get close enough to Rapid Fire.

This fucks both of those. Basically the only thing it's good for is Advancing towards objectives or running AWAY from the enemy while still getting some extra pot shots in.

Sure, as a free bonus it isn't bad, but that's not how you can really look at Legion traits, because you have the options of the other traits.

The main draw to playing Black Legion is taking Abaddon. If you're not planning to do that, don't even bother. You're better with another Legion.

>>54706701

lion beat him multiple times in different venues

but either horus or sanguinius were the strongest pre-heresy

>>54706707
So here's my question about this: If I use Endless Cacophony which says that I pick a unit to shoot again at the end of the phase, does this still apply if I used it earlier?

>>54706707
All the powers from the Index are still in, yes.

>>54706719
Being able to move 20" and still shoot is just fine, stop crying so much my dude.

>>54706707
This one is legitimately good. I'd say it's the best stratagem in the book, outside of the legion unique ones or the ones that flavors of power armor get

>>54706538
Yea, though I still think 1 fist 1 cannon is the way to go. It's better against all comers, especially with a soul burner. With launcher it comes to 240pts

>>54706729
Yes, because the phase isn't over yet.

>>54706712
He's pretty good in 30k. If he has his doggies he's more expensive than Horus.


>>54706701
Horus and Sanguinius were the two strongest Primarchs. But Sanguinius was a proper psyker (and I mean can cast spells, not be psychically reactive, before your autism comes in Carnac) but also a mutant so it put him behind Horus as suitable for Warmaster. Only Horus, Sanguinius and one other could defeat a full-rage Angron in a duel.

Russ is great but he wasn't as powerful as Horus or Sanguinius. But the former is Space Satan and the latter is Space Jesus, so what a surprise really.

>>54706701
>He schooled the emps in competition
Russ won a drinking competition. Emps kicked his ass one-on-one.

>He was also sent to break Magnus
He was sent to arrest Magnus and bring him back to Terra. Horus lied and people died.

>>54706510
That head does look okay on Troupe master body.But I think it fit more on a female torso than a male one.

>>54706729
i belive so .. since you still have not left the shooting phase (or fight phase) that you spent the 1 cp

>>54706745
Pretty delicious use of 3CP in the right circumstances imo

>>54706738
>crying
>implying I even play or care about BL
I'm just giving an objective analysis for other peoples benefit. It's a bad trait.

>>54706712

he's strongest in melee in 30k too, problem is his legion is mediocre as fuck and he himself hardly buffs his army at all. He's just a big "if I get into melee I will kill whatever it is eventually" and is pretty easy to kite

>>54706757
You're a bad trait ya know it all maddie bad baddy.

>>54705927
Please make a character who's name is a pun on "Cillit Bang", which is one of the UK strongest commercially available cleaning product.

I like what you are doing with your dudes, making them positive and hopeful when surrounded by such terrors. Very cute.

>>54706755
I agree.

>>54706729
Yes
>>54706738
Top kek, not him but no it isn't. If you're moving closer to get more shots you might as well stay back and not get the minus one to hit, since you end up with the same number of shots anyways, and if you're moving up to charge you're screwed, because you advanced and AFAIK CSM can't advance and charge. The situations where it's useful are few and far between, it's shit m8.

>>54706102
>with how the crystals of his personality or whatever work this isn't too far fetched
The what now?

>>54706783
Not all movements are towards or away from the enemy. Moving into flanking cover that nobody else could have reached and then still shooting at 24" for instance is good stuff. Moving into a position where an enemy character who felt safe is within range of plasma or melta shots is good stuff. There are lots of uses that I'm sure you are too bad at 40k to understand.

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>>54706691

Why don't CSM get:
>Storm Shield
>Drop Pods
>Thunder Hammers
>Land Raider variants
>Grav weapons
>Tartaros and Cataphractii armor
>ect

The reason is fuck you that's why. The other reason is they're not in chaos kits and/or don't have chaos accessories with them. However, since they're all about converting GK stuff now, they could have easily ""converted"" a chaos pod for example, so the answer is actually just fuck you.

>>54706177
>Flail of corruption melee +2S -2AP 2D plague weapon, make d3 to hit rolls each time you attack with this weapon.
Does this mean you make d3 attacks per normal attack, or that you have three chances to hit per attack? I assume the former but it doesn't seem clear cut.

>>54706811
Because all that shit is gay and we don't like gay shi-wait nope, that's not true.

Uh, well I guess all that shit is gay and we don't like it anyway for some reason.

>>54706707
Did someone say heavy bolter havocs?

>>54706771
BANG! And the Imperial is GONE!

>>54706800
>Moving into flanking cover that nobody else could have reached and then still shooting at 24" for instance is good stuff.
If you need a 20” move to reach some form of flanking cover, you're playing with too little terrain.
>Moving into a position where an enemy character who felt safe is within range of plasma or melta shots is good stuff
then you're playing against a retard who can't into screens, so of course anything can be used well, it's piss easy to beat people who are bad at the game

>>54706814
if your guy has 2 attacks, then you roll 2d3 to-hit rolls, so it's like getting d3 attacks for each point of A your character has

>>54706800
Melta aren't rapid fire weapons so don't benefit from this tactic. Any Legion can Advance and shoot melta. Congratulations on your extra 4 boltgun shots at -1 BS, I'm sure that will make a much bigger difference than being able to charge after that Advance move or ignoring your opponents cover bonus.

>>54706811
>ect
Etc. Short for et cetera. I see this mistake so much it must be a grammar thing. Like people who say "I'm going for a lay down". No, you lay mines, you lie down. Reeee!

As for that, I don't see why CSM would want shields. They have special god powers protecting them. As for grav weapons, they get daemon weapons instead. They get Land Raider variants in Forge World Index.

>>54706823
>moving the goalposts
lol I knew you were just mad that we're the best

>>54706830
>what is a bike squad with one combi-melta and two combi-plasmas
I dunno chief ask your mom, she loves hot loads so I'm sure she's familiar

>>54706834
Daemon weapons that aren't actually all that different than unique SM melee weapons. That SM get in addition to grav. And CSM have no grav equivalent.

>>54706835
>he's a butthurt BL player in denial his trait is garbage
Dude, just accept your Legion trait is taking Abaddon and it's actually really good. This is getting sad.

>>54706811
>>Storm Shield
>>Land Raider variants
>>Grav weapons
None of these were developed in until after the heresy, and CSM being SM with even more stuff would simply be unfun.

>>54706849
>assmaddie bad little laddie furious that he can't divine the true purpose of the vastly superior Black Legion tactics

>>54706835
You clearly don't know what those words mean, I in no way changed the criteria for success.
I've never once said it has no uses, all you've done is prove me right in that it's uses are few and far between.

Does anyone have any leaked pics of the points pages of codex CSM? This video is hard to read.

>>54706834
Except a very large portion of the player base doesn't know about forgeworld.

>>54706853

Grav was used in the HH, or at least graviton was. CSM should have access to old shit instead like proper Volkite

>>54706865
>failing around screeching now that he's obviously wrong
Wow, gee man you really showed me

>>54706869
>Grav was used in the HH, or at least graviton was.
No it wasn't, graviton is not grav, and graviron is/was hard to maintain.
>CSM should have access to old shit instead like proper Volkite
by that logic so should all first and second founding chapters.

Anyone else realize Plague Marines are only 19ppm base now?

>>54706844
I meant daemon range weapons, but yeah.

>>54706869
What? How do they not know about Forge World? If they want them, they can get them.

>>54706853
Well Land Raiders have been given to Chaos since IA13 where they could capture Imperial stuff and then either corrupt them or 'chain them' with bindings. Like the Land Raider Achilles, it can only be subdued by constant blood rituals, if they don't, it eats the crew as it uses it's daemon powers to kill Chaos.

>>54706888
Noise Marines are only 15 now too.

>>54706882
It would make chaos unique
Rather than just diet space marines, with a few special units.

>>54706892
>Well Land Raiders have been given to Chaos since IA13 where they could capture Imperial stuff and then either corrupt them or 'chain them' with bindings.
Yeah but those patterns are pre-heresy, crusader and redeemer are both post. And it's not LR are something easy to steal, that, shit the ad mech and marines will launch a crusade for.

>>54706882
You can't simultaneously say that they shouldn't have new tech, and shouldn't have old tech.

>>54706892
What daemon range weapons? All of them I can think of are one-unit specific.

2500 Point List using models I own


>Celestine + Geminae
>2x5 Dominion Squads with 8 Storm Bolters total
>19 Seraphime with 4x Hand Flamer

>Ultramarines
>Captain in Terminator Armor w/ Santic, Relic Blade, and Storm Bolter
>5 man Intercessor Squad
>5 man Scout Squad sniper-missile
>10 man Tactical Squad bolter-missile
>2x5 Terminators Assault Squad (8 TH-SH)
>2x5 Terminator Squad (2x Cyclone, 2x Chain Fist, 6x Power Fist)
>Venerable Dreadnought w/ Twin Las & Fist
>Predator with all the lascannons + Storm Bolter

Theory: Seraphim turn-1 charge the enemy (doable) while Dominions & Celestine follow close behind to support. Terminators teleport right behind them and charge by turn 2.

Predator & Dread work on vehicles.

Opinions?

Shitty weather, do I just need to wait to prime, or is there a decent work around?

>>54706904

a funny turn of events considering land raiders were about as prolific as rhinos in the heresy

there was an entire forgeworld that made almost nothing but land raiders

imagine a whole world made of factories just making land raiders for approximately 2 million marines and the imperial army

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>CSM don't get all the toys loyalists get
And? You also get toys loyalists can't have either like daemon engines, mounts (minus furfaggotry from the yiffs), daemons in general, god buffs, etc.

>>54706904
Maybe not, but that's kinda irrelevant when you CAN get Land Raider variants. Hell, you can even get Spartans for Chaos.

>>54706907
Well, yeah. I'm talking about unit specific shit. Plus Tzeentch Bolters and Heldrakes and all that jazz. So what you're saying is, you want everything that Imperials can get AND special unique toys?

Some guy in the youtube comments for this preview video claims that doom siren is assault d6 now. Can anyone confirm? Huge if true

Are heavy plasma incinerators worth it, or just stick to standard ones?

>>54706919
Mounts are gone. Marines get an assload of god-specific buff equivalents. Demons are a pain in the dick to combine with marines.

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>>54706936
>Mounts are gone
>I don't read FAQ's
6/10 got me to reply a few times.

>>54706922
Baleflamers fail to be an actual equivalent to grav (as do inferno bolters) when limited to a single unit.

>>54706922
>>54706919
It's usually a few csm fags saying they want the best stuff of SM in their books. I for one enjoy what crazy chaos shit we have, even if it isn't always the best.

>>54706927

They're basically your lascannon equivalent, good for sticking with your backline blob but they wont actually outdamage your normal incinerators since those start behaving like melta guns against vehicles within 15".

>>54706927
Which do you prefer?
>36", strength 8
or
>30", strength 7, firing twice at 15"

>>54706919
Space marines have literally double the number of datasheets in there codex as chaos marines have
Without including all the different chapters like blood angels or space wolves.

Seems just stupid that they would stop chaos from using weapons they they clearly used during the heresy, considering they are supposed to be the less modern version that don't get new equipment.

Give the regular marines more modern and updated things, but why take away the older equipment from chaos?

>>54706907
>You can't simultaneously say that they shouldn't have new tech, and shouldn't have old tech.
I most certainly can. It makes no sense for legions to have new tech, and it makes no sense for renegades to have old tech. ESSPECIALLY since the tech in question was rare as fuck during the GC, let alone 10,000 years later.
There are legitimate complaints, like the lack of termie variants for CSM, but them missing out on rare tech that is either not available to the loyalists (who fluffwise take far better care of their stuff) or is something so rare that ad mech and marines would not dare let chaos touch it without a serious fight is makes perfect sense.
The only way to balance the fluff and rules (so that chaos doesn't just become C:SM: now with even more stuff) would be to make two books: one for legions and one for more recent fallen chapters. But that won't happen because CSM aren't nearly popular enough to justify that.

>>54706957
Don't forget the second one can move and shoot without penalty so it's basically also 36" and the double shot threat range is 21"

>>54706957

and they both go up +1 STR when overcharged.

>>54706952
That's not the argument, mate.

>Waaah we don't get X and Y
>Okay, but you get Q and Z
>B-But that's n-n-ot as g-g-good as X and Y! We should have it! REEEEE!
>So you want X and Y... on top of your unique Q and Z?
>YES! REEEEEEEE *SHITS PANTS* REEEE! MOOOOM!

Fucking hell. Chaos is literally getting more new shit. The Thousand Sons and Death Guard uppdates (the latter which hasn't even completed yet) has shown GW is trying to give you MORE toys. It sounds to me like you want all the good toys (if not all of them in general) from SM and then your unique stuff on top. So you want to be Spikey Space Marines Plus? Wow, so unique, much wow.

have bikes gotten cheaper for anyone with the codexs?

I want to be able to field my damn ork bikers again and I wonder if GW will fix them in my upcoming dex

>>54706995
>tearstained loyalist projecting so hard
lol can't wait until all the new death guard shit comes out and you are super mad about it, you are going to get you ass double teamed by magnus and morty so fucking hard

>>54706995
Okay, but by that logic we're even further behind loyalists because we don't have stalker bolters or the seige dreadnought weapons or hurricane bolters or typhon missile launchers or w/e.

Like, I don't want all the loyalist toys. I just want equal amounts of toys, and we're very clearly deficient on that front.

>>54706995
>>So you want X and Y... *on top* of your unique Q and Z?
No, *instead of*.

>>54706995
>"That's not your argument, this is your argument"
>Doge memes

holy shit

>>54706712
Sang is yet to come out, so that won't last long.

>>54707022
I won't be, I think the new DG stuff is great.

>>54707024
And GW is trying to rectify that. The original post I replied to said they didn't have Land Raider variants, I countered they did and the reply was 'not everybody knows about FW'. That's not my fault. You can get Land Raider variants for Chaos. Or Spartans. Or other Lord of Wars.

>>54707027
Then wait until the major legions have been updated.

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Does anyone else have trouble with picking the faction they want to stick with? I'm having the issue where I keep swapping between armies because I can't find the one that 'clicks'.

Guard can be fun but their survivability is so bad. It just feels awful watching half my army get melted in a turn because they die the moment anything looks at them wrong.

Renegades have an amazing theme but their rules look so bad that they're not worth investing in.

SM look okay but I am only interested in the Primaris.

Tyranids are cute but the army is very feast-or-famine.

>>54707061
>tyranids
>feast or famine
I'm laughin

>>54706957
>>54706976
>>54706985
I think at this point in time I'm using them more for anti-armor. I'm also Raven Guard tactics, so I guess I could infiltrate normal incinerators too.

>>54707027

If you just wanted loyalist stuff and not the chaos stuff why are you playing chaos instead of loyalists.

>>54707061
>Does anyone else have trouble with picking the faction they want to stick with?
A lot of people do. I'm bouncing between Primaris, Death Guard, and Orks.

>>54707057
Making Death Guard and Thousand Sons separate codexes isn't really more options for CSM, no. Not anymore than Codex: Space Wolves has more options for Ultramarines. Go compare the wargear pages from index Imperium and Index Chaos; they're essentially the same as the Codex ones, and the chaos one is a third of the size. That's not "trying to fix" anything.

>>54707061

Absolutely. Besides the half dozen marine chapters or so I'm interested in (but Salamanders above all else) I still want an Imperial Guard army, and Chaos is more attractive these days.

>>54707099
So we've moved from 'more options for Chaos' to 'more options to CSM Codex'. View, so much lifting going on here it's a wonder you ain't got a hernia.

Do you see Imperial players like Blood Angels complaining they can't have fucking Power Swords on the Intercessor squads? Or lots of other daft stupid shit? No? Okay then.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...Plague Marines and shit blah blah blah.

What about my Glorious THOUSAND SONS?

>>54707115
Brimstones are 1 point.

>>54707128
Glorious.

Any other news?

>>54706967
>Chaos can't have new things because lol that makes no sense
>Space Marines can have new things and old things because reasons!

Go fuck yourself. If we can't have new things, our shtick should be old shit because guess what, we have old shit. We should be allowed to put heavy weapons on our rhinos like in HH. We should have Volkite. We should have cata/tart armor because Indomitus was a relatively new thing during the heresy.

It's bullshit that SM get loaded with "new" shit that CSM can have even though they can totally pick that shit up off the ground, but we also can't have old shit because renegades "shouldn't" have it.

>>54707112
Yeah, I see marine players complain about that stuff all the time.

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Yep, Doom Siren confirmed for Assault d6.

>>54707152
AW SHIT NIGGA

>>54706995
>Specific factions get shit so all CSM should be happy!

That's like saying all space Marine players should be happy if only blood angels and dark angles players got Primaris models, you cunt.

>>54706967
>ESSPECIALLY since the tech in question was rare as fuck during the GC, let alone 10,000 years later.

You realise the Legionaires are the same marines as the ones who fought in the heresy right? It hasn't been 10,000 years for them, there is no reason they shouldn't have heresy-era tech other than GW are fuckwits.

>>54707147
Thanks for walking into my trap. Now you see that it isn't some conspiracy against Chaos. Shit like this happens to every faction. If you want all the toys that they have, run them as fucking vanilla. My mate does it with his Night Lords.

anyone have the stratagems for chaos?

>>54707061

Yes. I've been fighting with my CSM and my Deldar for over a year now. I just assembled myself up to 1500pts of Deldar and instead of painting them, I'm painting terminators. Kill me.

>>54707170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W069dPLTXg0

>>54707112
My point all along has been "Codex SM has more options than Codex CSM", I don't know what you're fucking talking about dude.

I demand Doom Sirens for my Devestators. It's not fair that CSM get it and I don't. Fucking GW.

>>54707160
So this means that a Noise Champion can take a combi flamer and a doom siren and if you charge his group of noise mans you get 2d6 auto hits to the face, d6 of which are ap -2

I demand to have the same amount of dataslates and weapons as Space Marines as the Custodian Guard. It's not fair they have more options and dataslates than me. Fucking GW.

>>54707185
You should take Cypher as your warlord and then bring a couple groups of this new Totally Loyal unit called Noise Marines. They have Marine in the title which means they are Loyal as Hell.

>>54707185
Yeah, that's totally what we're all saying you dipshit.

Look at all these Chaos kids pop out of the woodwork. And wow, I can see why they win the polls for being annoying

>>54706936
We still have mounts you nigger.
They just didn't put them in the codex.
Any models that didn't get a codex datasheet may still use their index datasheet, but models that have a codex datasheet must use the codex variant and points costs.
It's annoying but I'm still building my three Steed of Slaanesh characters.

>>54707205
No, it's not fair. They have stuff I don't have so I should have their stuff as well.