Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

T'au (Tm) dominance below this line
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OBLITS GET TWICE AS MANY SHOOTING ATTACKS
THAT'S
THE
POWER
OF
CHAOS
MY
DUDES

>>54703071
Other thread still on page 6
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>>54703102
>let's reduce the number of dice rolls!
>here have more dice rolls!

The 27D3 attacks from arco-flagellants was annoying this gets its own cherry of annoying

>>54703102

Huh.

>200 points
>12 shots, hitting on 3s
>Strength 8 on average
>AP2 on average
>2 damage on average

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Tell me about the Blood Angels.

I've been wanting to make a Marine army, but I can't really decide on what I want. I like the lore of the Salamanders, being cool chill dudes, and all that fire and such, though I'm not too sure on the practicality of fire in this current edition, plus the only fire units out of the Primaris lineup are the Agressors, and there are no options for Primaris melta.

Dark Angels seem neat, and plasma makes for a reliable all rounder, especially with Hellblasters being a thing, and they would fit lore wise with the Dark Angels, but my friend group already has a DA player.

Raptors seems cool too, and they would really fit with the tactical feeling of Reivers and Intercessors. I've also considered Deathwatch but I'm not sure on them, as it kind of seems like model count is what matters in this edition.

Also have considered making a mech infantry guard regiment possibly. How well does that work out? Like not all vehicle dependent, but infantry units in lots of dedicated transports instead.

>>54703206
Breddy good on average

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>>54703162
You literally roll 3 dice in succession. It's not that fucking difficult.

>>54703192
9 Flagellants in a unit.

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>Was expecting nothing but disappointment from the new GK codex
>new GK Codex and faction focus was actually better than the steaming pile of shit we had for 7th

Looks like I'm pre-ordering tomorrow.

Silver Bros WW@!?

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New Death Guard weapons. Guess its those melee weapons we saw in that promo ages ago.

Also a heavy flamer and flamer with reroll wounds of 1.

If you go melee orientated as Plague Marines, you get +1 attack. You can swap all your guys to have 2 plague knives (this is probably just the cheap version since its a free item) or a plague knife and a bubonic axe which gives +1 str, -2ap and 1 damage.

You can then have 2 guys take a bubonic axe and a mace of contagion which I belive is +2 str, -1 AP and 3 damage, its -1 to hit though. Kinda poor IMO.

You can have a further 2 swap to a flail (+2s, -2ap, 2 damage), this weapon does D3 hits per swing (so 2d3 per guy) and its damage spills over, so great for guardsmen. Instead of flail you can also go for a cleaver which is 2x str, -3ap and D6 damage, at -1 to hit.

All the weapons are plague weapons, so rerolling 1s to wound.

Y/N on correct amount of boopiness?

2.5k cool guys
>Cawl
>Dominus: eradication ray
>5x 7 radtroopers
>2x 5 Sicarian Infiltrators (sword, burst pistol)
>2x 3 plasma kataphrons
>5 arc rifle breachers
>2 onagers (neutron, extra stubber)
>2 kastellans and datasmith (guns)
>2 kastellans and datasmith (guns)

Despite what people say Sicarians are fun, though is dropping the breachers for Electropriests a good idea?

>>54703206
OBLITERATE!

Now that we pretty much know everything in the codex now, what legion/strat do you think is the strongest?

For me, Emperor's Children seems strong as fuck. 20 squad of noise marines with prescience and slaanesh feel no pain spell on them and in a lord bubble shooting twice per shooting phase with plus 1 to wound sounds really fun.

That's not even mentioning their melee hit squads.

>>54703246
Down here, in manlet town!

>>54703216
The short answer is: Blood Angels are in a bad spot right now crunchwise. They were not in the best of spots when the indexes dropped and now that the first codexes have dropped, the disparity has only gotten worse. If you're still interested in Blood Angels, my advice is to check back when they have a codex.

I note that your primary concerns with starting this marine army based on your post is how the Primaris units fit in. Are you looking to be making a primaris only force?

>>54703246
First army was Grey Knights, ended up getting a bunch of plastic but never used them, still in the processof converting a Dreadknight, glad to see them looking competitive

>>54703246
Way ahead of you, broheim. They got me when they announced the Grand Master in a baby carrier. Not even ashamed to admit that.

>>54703276
>plus 1 to wound
Wait where's that coming from?

>>54703071
Ok, I have someone that is starting to piss me off. He says that auras and similar abilities don't affect the model giving off the aura. I say they do because they count as models in the aura. Who is right?

>>54703262
Wow, pretty damn good. I'm impressed, mixing melee versions of them with a few drones, some HS havocs/obliterators, terminators (and whatever new guys ohohoh), and a horde of zombies looks viable and fun af. Plus of course a B E L L B O Y E

It's a good time to start

>>54703300
Same.

>>54703293
I think the toughest thing about re-learning them will be when to use what stragem. We'll probably have no more than 5 or 6 CP in a 2k game, so it'll be a tough call wen we choose to blow a load.

>>54703307
This is in literally the first faq they ever released.
Characters are always affected by their own aura as long as they have the prerequisite keywords.
The only time auras stop is when they're in a transport.

>>54703314
Not sure 2 attacks per model for the melee versions is good.

Plus something like the flail and cleaver you just know will cost absurd points cost.

>>54703246
Yeah, good time to be alive. We're a force to reckon with, and it looks like they made termies cheaper too.

>I am the hammer. I am the point of his spear, I am the mail about his fist....

>>54703246

aho girl go tan anime?

>>54703071
>pic
Story?

>>54703307

Its literally in the fucking rules. It says they are affected by their own auras. In. the. rule. book.

>>54703348
They did? Here's to hoping they made paladins or at least daemon hammers cheaper too. Oh and psycannons. And gatling psilencers. Fuck. Gatling psilencers might actually be a thing now.

>>54703341
Yeah, that'd be the hamper. The rules are nice, now it's time to see cost. They do cost the same PL, so further ruining that scene

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EC deamon prince is going to be insane.

What do you guys think it would be like if Orkz met Warcraft Orcs?

>>54703333
This guy will not believe me without a direct quote. Can you help me find it? I'm reading the F&Q but am having some trouble finding it

>>54703392
Warcraft orcs are just green barbarians they're lame as fuck. At least 40k orks are unique and amusing. Pre-WoW goblins are way better.

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>>54703392
Those "noble savages" would get rekt with the amount of dakka these motherfuckers can put out.

>>54703392
They'd probably try and kill each other.

>>54703423
>>54703432
Yeah, but what about the kultur clash? Think any of those wimpy grots could cut it as a real Ork?

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>>54703281
Eh, my main concern was that I was thinking of 7e rules when I was looking into to getting the game, you know, where I could load up on melta and flamer and get army wide rerolling on them with Salamanders. But now Vulkan He'stan only gives that bonus to units within 6" of him, though the Chapter Tactics is pretty neat.

It seems like it would be more reliable to load up on plasma instead of flamers, I never actually got into the game during 7e, but I did a lot of my initial research before 8e came out.
Flamers don't seem as spectacular as they were in 7e anymore, sure the automatic hits are nice, but they seem really RNG dependent rather than positioning and strategy related.

My concerns about primaris are mostly because I was just looking into other units, since I'm not too sure on flamer units anymore, when like, for a Razorback, a twin assault cannon is 12 shots at 1 more strength than the heavy flamer, and three times longer ranger, and it only costs 1 more point. Or like Primaris Aggressors, where the Boltstorm Gauntlets and fragstorm launchers give you 6+d6 shots at 18" instead of 2d6 at a piddly 8" which really squanders the unit's ability to fire twice if it doesn't move.

Also the Blood Angels get a really fucking cool Chaplain model.

How is Deathwatch?

>>54703262
awe yeeeee. goop gunz and crazy melee weapons. The flail looks hype as fuck with the spillover damage.

>>54703456
>Think any of those wimpy grots could cut it as a real Ork?

No, they're not the same species.

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>>54703387
It's beautiful

>>54703071
Pretty sure that Magos would be freaking out that the Xeno is gesturing at his divine holographic projection

>>54703071

So what was the outcome of the BL vs GK game on WH TV?

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Okay, my buddy is basically throwing a tantrum because he cant field three knights as a 1000 point army.
I was going to build a Deathwatch army, but fuck he's whinging like this. I'm new to 40K and he whipped 1000 points of marines and termies fielding 3 knights and 2 assassins last week, and now he's whining that his knights aren't viable because 3 come to about 1500 points.
>im now comvinced paladins are obsolete if i dont get wargear for free.

>GW removes Objective Secured
>proceeds to add it back into every codex

>>54703528
>Don't touch my photons you skinny fuck.

>>54703392
They'd get assimilated like they usually do for savage orks. They'd probably enjoy all the new magic they have to throw around

>>54703472

Flamers are still pretty good, they're especially good if you're fighting sneaky beakies who like to penalize people on the to-hit roll. While the Salamanders don't get their buff army-wide anymore, you can really fuck up someone's day by placing Vulkan next to flamethrower aggressors, anything with meltas/multi-meltas (including vehicles - he can turn land raiders into death chariots), combi-flamers etc. The army-wide reroll also makes low-shot heavy weapons spectacularly good. I'm just getting back into the game and I'm super fucking excited to play Salamanders.

>>54703206

>Use Endless Cacophony on them
>Each Oblit is now functionally assault 8

>>54703216

I play blood angels, they are alright gameplay wise

their true strength lies in the fact that they are cool as fuck since you can give everybody jetpacks

>>54703216
>>54703281
>Blood Angels can't take Ironclad, Venerable or Contemptor dreadnoughts
Wow that's dumb.

>>54703550
Your "buddy" is absolute fucking scum.

Is it just me or are Vindicare's crazy strong? It seems like any Imperial army would benefit from taking a couple to murder an enemy HQ every turn.

>>54703528
>>54703559
>you will never fingerfuck a magos's holowaifu in front of him

What models should I use to deal serious damage to vehicles as Thousand Sons?

I for one welcome our new dreadnoughts with astral aim

>>54703517
Jesus Christ, I just looked. If you make an EC Slaanesh Deamon Prince with talons your warlord, give him that, give him the Slaanesh Wargear (plus one str and attack). That's 8 str 8 exploding attacks that hit on 2+ rerolling 1s to hit attack against Imperial fags.

>>54703633
Predators.

>>54703162
>>54703206
That's more efficient, durable, and damaging than index AC havoks for their points. Seems pretty good. Really hoping they get the next 4 books out fast cuz holy fuck these factions didn't need those buffs.

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>>54703387
>Lucius gets ten wounds against Characters when he's at two wounds
>between his armor saves and invul saves he usually has two wounds by the time he gets into melee with the thing I want him to fight
Sweet, sleek Slaaneshi excess that sound heavenly.
2+ to hit with rerolls, AP-2 D2 attacks no less.
It's also ten attacks at 5W Daemon Prince with Paired Malefic Talons, same AP and Damage but so much more likely to wound.

>>54703071
OK guys first release Space Marines! Naturally.

2nd release Silver Space Marines! 3rd release ugly space marines!

Can't wait for the next codex. Will it be red space marines? Maybe green or blue! So much difference!

>>54703071

What chapter is that guy? Some kind of Deathwatch member or BA successor?

>>54703578
>>54703579
They can still take Contemptors(But only the Forgeworld Variant), Deredeos, and Leviathans. If that's a small consolation.

If you want to use your geedubs contemptor, literally nothing is stopping you from just using the FW rules for it with the same loadout.

>all these faggot CSMfags went from wailing about how OP C:SM is to drooling over how OP C:CSM is

Fucking hypocrites, the lot of you. That's the one thing I hate about this place the most, not the stupidity, not the arrogance, not the shitposting, not the /pol/ cancer, but the sheer hypocrisy.

>>54703643
>Slaanesh Wargear
I missed it, where?

>>54703643
This makes me moist

>>54703662
Looks to be Consecrators.

>>54703624
I don't know if I'd go that far, but fuck is this demotivating to try to get into this game.

>>54703658
I play IG and Tyranids, I get it. But you don't need to sperg out that the signature IP of the setting gets the first codexes. We'll get ours, just chill yourself.

>>54703679
Sorta like how CSMfags kept bitching about not getting drop pods and then suddenly never hearing a word about drop pods in 8E when they were no longer good?

You never heard marinefags gushing or circlejerking over their OP chapter tactics either, but apparently the most cancerous faction on /tg/ is SMfags according to who? Of course, the faggot Taufags and CSMfags who have the largest amount of shitposters.

>>54703679
>(you) need a nap.

>>54703679
Humans are hypocrites anon, it's are most defining aspect

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>>54703680

>>54703645
how many?

As an ork player with a ton of footslogging boys and characters, I find it really goddamn hard to keep my bosses/meks etc in a position where they can join the charge, but not get fucking creamed in the back

Like I have my warboss join the melee and I leave a gap with my boys, but then after fight consolidation I find my opponents are usually able to drop something in deepstrike or a flier to shoot him in the ass

Apparently you will now need to have ten or more pink horrors to cast d3 mwounds smite, otherwise it is only one mwound.

>>54703707
>pusscleaver
>not slaanesh

>>54703707
Eye of T is pretty shit desu

>>54703697
Whatever you chucklefucks we're gloating all over the place and after the hype for their codex is over it won't be so bad just like with your shit have a couple seats fag.
> impartial Xenos player.

>>54703707
thats breddy gud

>>54703679
We were annoyed you got yours first during a campaign, now we're excited the playing field is even and your 12 year old thick painters are going back to school.
>>54703707
>it's drugs
I knew it! I'm happy! Cocaine fuelled Daemon Princes in close combat!

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>>54703643
It it... Dare I say it... Too loud?

>>54703722
>impartial Xenos player
>after 7E: xenos edition

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>>54703071
Interesting art. Consecrators are rarely if ever represented.

>>54703679
Honestyl, people who look at pic related and go "Yeah, those are cool and epic, I wanna collect CSM!" must be pretty shitty humans anyways.

>>54703697
No Alpha Legion players gushing about how the Space Marine codex totally represents them better either.

>>54703697
Go to bed Timmy.

>>54703333
First aura in Xenos 1: "Your opponent must subract 1 from all hit rolls for ranged weapons that target the psyker or friendly Asuryani infantry or asuryanibiker units within 3" of the psyker until your next psychic phase"

Most auras usually read something like "You can reroll hits of 1 for friendly <KEYWORD> units within 6." Ask yourself these simple questsions: does the guy with the aura meet the <KEYWORD> criteria? Am I within 6" of myself? How the fuck do auras in most videogames work?

I'm sure some kind anon brought up the FAQ already.

>>54703711
This should be a problem with hordes, it's a fundemental question. The easiest answer is cut back on the number of sloggers

>>54703572
I've been told I want to keep Vulkan in a vehicle to move him around, so the Repulsor being the only vehicle capable of moving Primaris units, and not capable of moving any other units is super fucking lame, unless they make a Primaris Vulkan He'stan or something gay like that.

One silly idea I had was to put him in a Razorback with heavy flamers, and then have him go in with a 5 person sternguard squad armed with two heavy flamers and three combi-flamers, though.

I feel like mixing melta and flamer might be better though, but the flaming homos squad would be a fun thing to pull out.

Also are melee terminators good? I think it would be fun to mash together some TH/SS termies with a termie librarian and chaplain and be able to teleport strike those dudes in to be rude at people, but the terminators can only move 5" and need to get a good roll on charging to do anything the turn they arrive which I feels limits their usefulness, but I don't want to sink the points on a Land Raider for them when I already have a Venerable Dreadnought, a Chaplain Dreadnought and two Ironclads eating up points for my list.

>>54703728
>Not wanting a S14 Chaos Lord who strikes first a Chain Fist

>>54703575
>*du hast plays loudly in the background*

>>54703728
>calling others children
>MUH COCAINE
>SO COOL
>LOL DRUGS
>faggots can't even spell properly with barely legible posts strewn across the entire general
>"it it"
>"it's are"

It's you faggots who really ought to be going back to school.

>>54703707
Whew I was in the Slannesh mindset and saw.
> puss cleaver
Time for bed.

>>54703739
Its fan art.

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>>54703741
Derp, forgot mah pic

Chaos players unleash your grinders upon Konor!

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>>54703736
>Orks
>Xenos edition

>>54703736
Dark eldar 7th doe breh?

>>54703071
The binary...What does it say?

>>54703361
Eldrad meddles with mortals 2: electric bugaloo?

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Why does everyone lump xeno players together? As an Orkfag I don't want to be associated with Eldar or Blueberries, I just want to chop them.

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>>54703734
>tfw one of Galaxy's Loudest Faggots right now

2500 Point List using models I own


>Celestine + Geminae
>2x5 Dominion Squads with 8 Storm Bolters total
>19 Seraphime with 4x Hand Flamer

>Ultramarines
>Captain in Terminator Armor w/ Santic, Relic Blade, and Storm Bolter
>5 man Intercessor Squad
>5 man Scout Squad sniper-missile
>10 man Tactical Squad bolter-missile
>2x5 Terminators Assault Squad (8 TH-SH)
>2x5 Terminator Squad (2x Cyclone, 2x Chain Fist, 6x Power Fist)
>Venerable Dreadnought w/ Twin Las & Fist
>Predator with all the lascannons + Storm Bolter

Theory: Seraphim turn-1 charge the enemy (doable) while Dominions & Celestine follow close behind to support. Terminators teleport right behind them and charge by turn 2.

Predator & Dread work on vehicles.

>>54703781
Just like you chopped up your receipts, eh?

>>54703793
What is this forced meme

With Intercessor squads, are auto bolt rifles better for objective camping between 16-24" and standard bolt rifles better for infiltrating guys into enemy territory (as Raven Guard)?

>>54703627
It's just you, you waste 180 pts to kill a commissar per turn, which cost 30 pts. And it didn't even guaratee to kill.

That is not to mention said character could be inside a transport.

>>54703679
No shit anon. Chaos fags being obnocious babies? Would would have thought?
Like how they used to cry that the "best" codex they ever had was the one where they were so blatantly OP it wasn't even funny.

>>54703807
Holy shit the loyalist tears right now, look at you weeping XD

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>>54703734
Not loud enough!
>>54703752
I considered the option, and I decided my new Daemon Prince needs to see the field instead, she's thirsty.
>>54703755
Just because I'm an adult doesn't mean I have to be an adult about it.
Also that's basically how Emperor's Children work, drugs. We aren't even the only army to utilise drugs in combat.
Calling it cocaine is a meme as old as Doom Rider himself.
>>54703762
Nobody wants the mutilators.

>>54703762
Well they got a 30% point drop

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>>54703630
>There is no greater pain

>>54703758
I figured as muh you silly.

>>54703802
All I know is that the ork receipts have yet to manifest.

>>54703693
Look at it this way:
3 knights come to anywhere from ~1500-1750
The cheapest assassins are 70points and one of them is basically unkillable without flamers, especially at 1k points.

Your opponent was therefore fielding 1700-2k against your 1k-not-specialized-to-hose-superheavies list.

If you had managed a win or close game it would have been insane.

>>54703806
>Taking out the morale backbone isn't worth 180pts
Why are Imperial Guard players the most worst armchair generals in the fucking game

>>54703787
Would be fun to watch fighting >>54703263.

Loooks good both of them, not SUPER optimal 100% but works well

abaddon is 12 pp down from 13
kharn is down to 8pp from 9
daemon prince is down to 8pp from 10
sorcerer is down to 6pp from 7
chaos lord in terminator armour is down to 6pp from 7
warpsmiths are down to 5pp from 6
5x beserkers are still 5pp, but is you increase the squad to 10x beserkers, its only going to cost 9pp total rather than 10
rubric marines are 7pp rather than 8
noise marines are down to 6pp from 7
chosen are down to 7pp from 8
hellbrutes are now 7pp instead of 8
chaos bikers are now 5pp down from 7
mutilators are now 7pp down from 10
raptors now 6pp instead of 7
warptalons now 7pp instead of 9
defiler now 11pp instead of 16! that's a big drop
forgefiend drops to 9pp from 10
vindicators are now 8pp instead of 11
predators are now 9 instead of 10
khorne lord of skulls now down to 29pp from 39

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>Eye of Night got nerfed to hell
T-thanks, Games Workshop. I was really hoping you'd pick the most boring of our relics and make it crap.

Very silly question, but do we know if the upcoming DA, BA and SW codexes will have Primaris in it? Or is it just normal marines? I wouldn't say no to robed Primaris models from the DA.

>>54703871
>do we know if the upcoming DA, BA and SW codexes will have Primaris in it?

They will.

>I wouldn't say no to robed Primaris models from the DA.

New models are no guarantee though.

>>54703869
It lets you pop a weak vehicle on 2+ at any range that you can see. I wouldn't call that bad, just circumstantial.

>>54703862
Holy Shit, Lord of Skulls down 25%
This assume PP translate to Points

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Does anyone have a picture of pic related on a cadian body? Google has turned up nothing. But they look like some solid potential to make a Dalvar Chem Dog guard army with.

>>54703871
Everyone except GK gets Primaris stuff and I imagine they'll have new primaris stuff to release alongside those books.

>>54703869
Hmm Alpha Legion get Teeth of Terra.

That's actually one of the best SM relics, I rated it worse than I figured.

>>54703869
>Rhino left with 2 wounds from a bad Lascannon roll, Pop EoN, shooty the squishy innards as they fall out

>>54703869
Why is Black Legion so shit?

Did their happen to be a cap of any Doom Siren profiles?
I wanna know if they stop being shit with the codex.

>>54703071

First off: bothers me so much that the skitarii box only comes with one of each special weapon...

But anyhow, omnispex or data tether? I'm thinking data tether for my vanguard since they'll be running up somewhere to take objectives and omnispec for my rangers since they'll be chilling back and sniping

>>54703888
I thought so. The WD has a Guardians of the Covenant in a robe in the Eavy Etal challenge, but seeing as how pretty much every painter converted their own dude, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just GS.

>>54703909
Look at the OP of a /wip/ thread to get some videos on how to case your own copies of weapons using green stuff. It looks easy as shit honestly.

>>54703893
Use GSC neophytes bodies instead. Sure some hands are a tad weird and you have to cover up an emblem once in a while, but the aesthetic fits much better. And the models are gorgeous.

>>54703855
That's my concern is... can I have fun with it? I don't want to be WAAC - but I've lost every game since 2008 except 12. Not even joking. I always make fluffy-fun lists and play fun... but I want to win some too.

Since FW ruined my Renegades & Heretics, I pulled my old Witch Hunters out & Ultramarines. All need painting... and I have much more... but just trying to figure out a path.

Would you say the list is viable, albeit not optimal?

>>54703262
So how much will the bubonic axe cost? Plague Marines are 21ppm base, ~27ppm for a 2 attack 1w infantry model is insanely expensive

>>54703907
Because Abaddon is their leader.

>>54703925
>Since FW ruined my Renegades & Heretics

You deserved it if that's the only reason you played them WAACfag.

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start farming your points cost differences boys

>that feeling when you think 40k is better off right now than giving every faction retarded special rules that will completely fuck the balance of the game in the ass

>>54703928
But they were boasting about how Abaddon was a monster on the field

>>54703937
Plague Marines are 2 points cheaper. Interesting.

>>54703937
>Point values for the basic troops of Daemons are included

Now I'm really interested to see this codex

>>54703849
>If you had managed a win or close game it would have been insane.
Sadly I only managed to destroy 1 knight after it ran up to my squad.
I'm gonna rematch him. Here's my list so far: https://transfer.sh/xpJL9/Deathwatch-lits.md

>>54703948
I'm with you, but there seem to be hordes of people that were rather attached to their chapter tactics, relics and all that for some odd reason.

>>54703932
I have 1 renegade tank. WAAC-fag R&H is not ruined and works perfectly fine, and that is tank-spam with chaos marines/daemons.

I run a militia force that was already pretty crappy. Out of 4 years of games with my R&H I won 3. I'm tired of losing and I don't want to WAACfag them by buying tanks.

So I'm just going to one of my other armies for now.

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>>54703785
So thats what it looks like when you die while having an orgasm

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>>54703937
>brimstones are 1 point
All of my what

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>>54703948
>Mfw he enjoys blandhammer

>>54703206
So something between a plasma gun and a battle cannon. kcool.

Oh neat - fallen are still in. Any change?>>54703937

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>>54703937
>>54703987
What the actual fuck.

>>54703993
Blame GW they can't balance a game

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Some guns seen.

New Death Guard flamer is 10 pts and heavy flamer is 19 pts for them.

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>>54703993
>he (((enjoys))) 7e

>>54703937
That's interesting. Bloodletter, Daemonettes, Plaguebearers, Pinks, and Brims all went down in price.

>>54703550
My giant robot that has twice the firepower of the Leman Russ, twice the durability of a Leman Russ, and is twice the size of the Leman Russ...now costs twice as much as a Leman Russ!

How Unfaaaair!

>>54703984
Do what I do, have one main army you use all the models you like, then a second army that's just bare plastic, primer, or 3 colors that's completely WAACed out for tournaments.

I use melee terminator and power armor for my main army and my tryhard army is a couple grav centurions and a bunch of DV bikes

>>54704008
Pink horrors are down to 8 points.

I really want to see the new horrors unit entry now.

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>>54703937
>brimstones are now 1 point
The fucking hell? What the fuck GW? Like seriously, what in the fuck? 2000 models in a 2000 point game? I'm not even mad, I'm just completely, utterly totally confused

>>54704029
That's good because they can't get any very good buffs in this codex

>>54704019
>can't make out any sonic weapons
>Doom Siren is still 22 points
Damn it, it doesn't have enough hits! Unless they fixed that.

>>54704061
Can't wait to see pics of the madman actually crazy enough to field that.

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>>54704008
Like seriously though, what in the actual fuck. That means 2000 brimstones is actually a list.

>I brought more models than you did shots

>>54704061
You can't bring that many models in a legal army my dude

>>54704066
Sonic thing is 4 pts.

Man if Forgeworld wasn't so expensive, I want to take Guilleman (only because I have to, feh), a bunch of fucking marines and dreds, and just stuff them all into a Mastodon. Then just slowly drive the pain train across the board until it explodes hot death over everything.

>>54704066
You can almost make it out in the noise marine entry, it looks like it's the same to me

>>54704075

I can't wait to see the face of the guy who brings a leviathan with two grav-bombards. 400d3 attack ahoy.

>>54704080
That's the same as before, which is fine for an Assault 3 Boltgun that ignores cover bonuses.
What about Blastmaster, still 28?
>>54704100
Why is a scream of sound, which should have more range than a flamethrower and a wider arc, only d3 hits?
I was fine with it being a template like a flamer last edition because it made sense, but now it's just d3 hits, and I can't figure out why.

>>54704133
>and I can't figure out why

GW forced them to turn down the volume to a mere 11

>>54704133
I dunno, I don't care for it much either but it is a completely extra weapon that most models can't take. It's like a force multiplier, not intended to be used by itself

>>54704046
>150 points for a fully split horror squad
Interdasting.

>>54704133
Flame pistol are D3 too.
Why? I'm not sure GW knows

>>54704077
Summoning anon. Bring some characters, some brimstone horrors and summon the rest in.

But seriously, this costs 8000$. I doubt anyone is willing to spend that much on a joke list. By the way, do they get the CSM version of DoH?

>>54704133
I got actual fucking flamers in my Craftworlds list that got nerfed from template to D3. It's just how the cookie crumbles man.

>>54704062
You can still take those guys in a normal chaos list. Buffs for all chaos players, not just CSM

Is it ok that hang around here if I just like the lore?

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>>54704111
So? You need to spit out 8000 wounds to kill an army of 2000 brimstones. They literally cannot be killed anything in the game.


Oh fuck, do they get obSec?

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Oh those bitches.

Tease my fuckin' nutbladder with the idea of a grey knight chaplain, then pull the rug out by not releasing a model AND tormenting me with that unobtainium-forged terminator chaplain they refuse to sell normally.

>>54704174
Not true, there are few CSM characters that buss all chaos things, most of them only buff heretic astartes <legion> or just heretic astartes. MAYBE demon prince will give them reroll hit rolls of 1, but the lesser demons don't have the heretic astartes or a legion keyword

>>54704177
No, it's autistic to care about the lore.

>>54704167
Recast.
People brought at least 12 HB SoB. Unless you really loved the model there was never a reason to have more than 8 ever when playing SoB.
Some how people bought 12 of those $14 a pop for a meme list

>>54704179
Morale will rape them in the butt though.

How the fuck are we dark angels supposed to compete right now? Feels like everything without a codex will remain shit for a long while.

We're chilling here with super general rules and no flavor what so ever. Why doesn't gw just release everything together?

>>54704197
I don't have a picture capable of expressing this emotion. It's like sadissapointment.

>>54704158
How fucking dare they!
>>54704161
It's not worth 22 points though, unless I have exactly 22 points left over after buying every other piece of equipment for all my other units I have no reason to waste the points.
>>54704163
How many points are flame pistols?
>>54704174
What the fuck was GW thinking?

>>54703937
>CSM termies are 31pts
>loyalist Marines are 26

But y

>>54704192
Wait. Waaaait. HOLD UP FOR JUST A SECOND.

GREY KNIGHT CHAPLAINS ?!?! OMFG

I think I just came.

Is GW resin or finecast or whatever they fuck they call it still absolutely fucking worthless?

>>54704198
Recast is still paying too much, just make them yourself using greenstuff. There just fire with a face.
Seriously though, who on earth said "yeah, a 2W 4++ model should cost a single point"?

>>54704216
Loyalist marines have to buy power fists or something else, we don't have to buy them

>>54704193
I know DP can already buff daemons but I was more referring to buffs in the points cost reduction of the units (ie x got buffed or nerfed in the last patch) rather than the aura abilities.

I'm putting together a 2k point list for fun with local friends, but also looking to expand my Wolf army too (already have like almost 4k pts worth of deathskull orks)

so far I've got:

HQ:
Land Raider Excelsior & Rhino Primaris (I have the models and think they're sweet, fuck they're expensive to field)
Rune Priest (In the Rhino)

Troops:
15 Blood Claws w/ two flamers and a Wolf Guard (in a stormwolf)
2 squads of 5 grey hunters with plasmas (in the excelsior)

Elite:
5 Wolf guard with frost swords (in the Rhino)

Fast Attack:
3 Inceptors

Flyer:
Stormwolf w/ las cannons and meltas to carry the bloodclaws around

this still leaves me with around 165~ pts to play with, but i was wondering what would be a good addition.

are aggressors any good? I would really like a unit that's just a persistent threat. I was considering cavalry because what's a wolf army without wolves, but they don't seem very good or survivable. I hear Wulfen are good, but I hate how their models look.

Anybody have any suggestions?

>>54704222
Yes.

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>>54704203
>not spamming 200 basic squads
Pretty shit desu

[spoilers]looks like that WB summoning may be worth something after all.... [/spoiler] just as planned

>>54704213
6 points for 6" Pistol D3 S3 AP0 D1 auto hit

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>>54703679

I'll say this, every sour prediction I had came true, though its nice that generic CSM lords/lords on jump packs didn't get cut, and that at the very least Obliterators got buffed significantly, overall though they still just kind of feel like SM with half the shit missing. Hell compare the number of unit entries in the back of the CSM codex to the SM codex, CSM have a little over half a page of entries, SM have 1 and a half pages.

At least a pride parade iron warriors army with double shooting helbrutes, havoks and oblits are probably legit, but it seems this edition is just going to be Khorne all the way down.

>>54704223
Aren't they like toughness 2 thou- oh shit, no more ID.

Fuck that is nasty.

>>54703781
nice trays

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>>54704220

>>54704213
I agree, I don't like doom siren right now either. I kinda want to try taking a noise champ with doom siren and combi flamer to protect my noise marines from charges though if only to see the look on their face when I tell them to prepare their butthole for automatic hits

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>>54704192
>mfw my suber sekrit Recaster does a flawless one of these

>>54704223
The same retards that made Repentias cost 17

I wanna learn about the two Lost Primarchs already. GW's been sitting on this shit for too long.

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>>54704257
>my shitty conversion is useable now
Covfefe

>>54704247
I highly disagree, I think our codex feels really good, tons of shit I am excited about

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>>54703893
She also sells a backpack add on for that exact purpose. I've got a bunch, if you wanna buy some.

>>54704216

Opportunity cost to get access to marks, DttFE being factored into their cost, or GW hates you.

My orks have been getting fucking pasted. In fact it might be even worse than in 7th.

>>54704241

They really need to turn all their finecast kits into plastic. Looking at shit to buy and the second I see "finely detailed resin kit" on the GW site I immediately start thinking of what I can convert it out of instead of having to deal with that shit.

>>54704246
22 points for 8" D3 S5 AP-1 D1 auto hit
I don't think 16 points is worth 2 inches of range, +2 strength, and AP-1
>>54704261
But the Champion can finally take a Sonic Blaster as well!
Which is nice I guess, but Doom Siren still needs either a drop in points or an increase in stats.

>>54704288
>current year
>nu GW
>wanting to make your dudes
Ha! Not any more! Just GW approved models! No hobby side, just toys!

>>54704273
I don't. GW does not have the competence to come up with something that is more interesting than the mystery of the two missing primarchs.

>>54703719
Look directly above it, retard.

>>54704321
Joke

Head

>>54704213
>What was GW thinking
Probably that Dscythes were OP as fuck and needed to be nerfed or costed to high heaven.

>>54704305
It is worst than the over priced heavy flamer

17 8" Assault D6 S5 AP-1 D1 auto hit

>>54704300
It doesn't matter. Orkz always win!

So, are Primaris marines created FROM normal marines, or are they grown in vats, or recruited fresh from humans?

>>54704305
I agree, doom siren costs too much for what it does. Still though, someone charging me and soaking d6+d3 auto hits and then me looking for 6s with a blast master and 8 sonic blasters on top of that seems like it might feel pretty good

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>>54704205

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>>54704312
It literally refers to all of this stuff in the codex as flippin' conversions, goofball.

>>54704257
>Chaplain Psyker

Not sure if this is heresy or not.

>>54704332
All of the above

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>>54704313
I figured that they left the other two out for people to make their own hombrewed legions/'your dudes' originally but I might of just dreamed I read that.

>>54704332
All of those except the growing in vats.

Looks like Konor will be a blow out. Chaos players need the Soul Forge!

Any news on the Ork Codex?

>>54704341
Those are basically kitbashes though.

>>54704327

Yeah but they failed - they're still fucking amazing.

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I just played a game with my orks where I failed every single charge, even with rerolls

I hate watching 30 boyz get removed by shooting every turn.

>>54704332
>are Primaris marines created FROM normal marines,
Yes. it can work that way.

>or are they grown in vats,
Not that I'm aware of. But the process probably could be used on vat grown humans.

>or recruited fresh from humans?
This mostly so far

>>54704192
Anon, I hate you, I thought that this mode would be obtainable for a minute.
I guess I'll have to try a Chinaman for the first time to get this one.

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This is the face of competitive 40k

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So here's a list I was thinking about taking to a tourney

180 boys (6 squads led by PK Nobs)
2 Warbosses with Power Klaws
3 Big Meks with Force Fields one with a big choppa, the other two with power klaws
5 Weird Boys, one with 'da jump', two with 'warpath', three with 'ead banger'
2 Painboys to heal the Weird Boys mostly

I know I can't cast the same power, but the wierdboys not buffing and teleporting guys can just smite spam, and once I get to the enemy getting 'ead banger' off and killing characters will be hilarious

*OR* Should I shift into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE and field this instead?

210 boys (7 squads led by PK Nobs)
2 Warbosses with Power Klaws
3 Big Meks with Force Fields, all with big choppas
2 Weird Boys, one with 'da jump', the other with 'warpath'
2 Painboys to heal the Weird Boys mostly

>>54704373

bring more boyz then

>>54704376
Actully the majority were recruited from Space Marine Neophytes.

>>54704327
But my Doom Sirens weren't even OP.
>>54704328
Exactly!
>>54704335
I say just replace the Noise Champions bolt pistol with a chainsword and strike first, any units he manages to kill can shoot before they die and our stratagems and rules make us merciless in close combat anyway, let them come.
Also so not worth the 22 points.

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>>54704264
>>54704341
Looks like I got some more shit to order/add to backlog.

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What are you guys working on tonight?

I'm doing this and having a crisis trying to find a way to make this work with my Artillery and conscript spamming guard army

>>54704305
I can't quite make out blast master but it might be the same price in points. Stats for it appear to be the same

>>54704373
It don't matta how many times a grot getz iz teef krumped outta 'im, 'ez jus gotta pop up fer anudda go! ORKZ NEVA LOSE

>>54704408
I already run 120

>>54704372
I mean I'm not complaining, but rolling d3 unitwide instead of d3 or d6 per model is a pretty big hit compared to last ed and a minimum size unit costs over 200points by itself.

>>54704388
Not nearly enough brimstone horrors/10

>>54704414
lol can't wait to pop your commissar into a chaos spawn with my new psychic power

>>54704257
Surely if they use the model as an art for this new entry, they will make it readily available for everyone? r-right?

>>54703850
I don't even play Guard, I just can't think of any worthwhile target to even take the "crazy good" couple of Vindicare.

And this is what people at GW HQ thinking. Vindicare is "crazy good" folk, that's why he'll remain shit and overpriced this edition.

>>54704373
I play footslog boys a lot and I do okay man, what was your list and what was his? I can probably give you some tips.

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>>54703071
Soon

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>>54704434
Stop it

>>54704414
throw some elysians in it and shit out grenade shots

>>54704415
That's also fine 28 points for it's heavy profile is good, but it gets it's assault profile too for weaker mobs while moving around the field.

>>54704444
What the FUCK is that.

>>54704257
>that plastic chaplain terminator is a GK model now

Are they gonna releaes it without the paywall? It's like $100 on eBay.

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>>54704401
>TWO HUNDRED AND TEN FUCKING BOYS

>>54704428

The single D3 just makes for your most efficient use of a CP possible. Its also worth noting I play mine in Ynnari where soul burst makes them amazing.

Man chaosfags, you guys gotta step your side up!

>>54704413
RED CHINESE COMMUNIST DETECTED
>>54704380
Aren't you glad it was me who broke your heart though instead of finding out from someone you don't know or in the icy clutches of the codex?
>>54704368
But you get my point. The wacky part is how they remove rules and units that don't have models (autocannon dreadnoughts, brotherhood champion), but then ADD units that don't have models (chaplain, techmarine which is ALSO back in)

>>54704414
As soon as I get home from work, I'm going to be putting more work into my NL cataphractii termies. I've got the base colors down, now I'm in the process of cleaning up my shit so I can slap some Nuln down, do a bit of highlighting, and put some of that sweet ass lightning down

>>54704479
Still not 2000 brimstones.

>>54704401
Do you have the fucking models to do that my dude?

>>54703937
>>54704061
>>54704076
>>54703987
>>54704008
So uh, do you need to pay reinforcement points for that Daemonic Icon ability, that when you roll a 1 when taking a morale test you have no one flee and instead add d6 pink horrors?

Or can you load up on Brimstone mobs and start summoning in more and more Pink Horrors for free for each 1 you roll on morale checks?

>>54703832
It balances out with the 30% droop.

>>54704413
Damn, flawless indeed. Who did it?

>>54704401
Orkz is da best, so more boyz means more of da best.

>>54704504
I do, and they're all painted god help me

>>54704435
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>>54704344
He can peer into your soul and see if you're pure, but then again, that was what the librarian was for. I guess dudes who fight weird, fucked up warp shit all the time probably need a regular therapist though.

Only GK chaplain I remember in the lore was in the omnibus.

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>>54703559
>Don't touch my photons you skinny fuck.
>step away from the tech assassin

>>54704500
Yeah it's weird how schizophrenic GW is with what units and wargear they include, remove, or create.

>>54704458
Sorry loyalist. Feel free to join the winning team anytime you want. Just remember though, being in a fight with a chaos spawn gives your conscripts -1 leadership. :^)

>>54703071
Fleshtearers, Eldrad, Grey Knights, and a tech priest dominus?

>>54704498
I keep telling these people to deploy squads of just soul grinders, but nobody is trying it.

MATHHAMMER ANONS

WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF MAXIMUM KHORNE BERSERKERS FIGHTING 2000 BRIMSTONES

>>54704525
>Therapy for peering into the realm of "cannot be" is some dude in a skull mask screaming litanies of the Emperor at you

I love 40k.

>>54704438
120 boyz, a gorkanaut, ghazzy, big mek and 5 nobz in naut, weirdboy, 10 tankbustas in a trukk

He had some chaos marines with meltas, terminators with meltas, missile havocs, some sorcerers on disks, a chaos lord, 2 helbrutes, a defiler and a predator

Tankbustas completely wiffed on my first turn then got shit on and died. Gorkanaut was killed turn 2 between the havocs, mortals from the sorcerers, and lascannon helbrute/ predator. Teleporting boyz into his field was a bad idea as I failed all my charges and the defiler alone killed 30 boyz in a turn

>>54704538
Why do you keep posting this though

>>54704521
What kind of orkz? I could only imagine how hard painting that many say, Flash Gitz would be

>All this Chaos joy.
Good lads you all deserve it.

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This is not ok

>>54704552
I wish I actually could afford to play, as I want a Thousand Suns army + Magnus but it's expensive as fuck.

>>54704548
It is one of the craziest ideas ever and given the situation now is the best time to test it.

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Will the real Alpharius please stand up.

>>54704511
Only breadcrumb I can drop is that his moniker is 3 letters. He's really tight about keeping confidential.

>>54704557
That guy looks like he has the biggest boner right now.

>>54704557
That chick in the background looks into it

>>54704537
Consecrators, not flesh tearets.

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>>54704557
>welp.

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>>54703071
a tech priest, a space marine, a grey knight, and an eldar walk onto the bridge...

>>54704542
keks
>>54704534
Yeah. So as much as I want to use a GK chaplain, I remember what happened the last time I spent a bunch of time and money making a GK techmarine, which is only just now back, and Inquisitor Valeria, who was killed off.

>>54704557
So is that boynips

>>54704567
lol kk

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>>54704552
Thanks anon.

>>54704542
Akshually, there are plenty of occasions where troubled battle brothers go see the Chaplain in time of peace to discuss, the same way religious people go and talk to their priest. Except this one doesn't try to diddle little children.

Raven Guard
HQ
Primaris Captain: Power Sword, Master-crafted Stalker Bolt Rifle - 96 pts
Primaris Lieutenant: The Armour Indomitus, Power Sword - 74 pts

Troops
5 Intercessors: Auto Bolt Rifles, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher - 109 pts
5 Intercessors: Power Sword, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher - 108 pts
5 Scouts: Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifles - 90 pts

Elites
Primaris Apothecary - 68 pts
5 Reivers - 90 pts

Fast Attack
3 Inceptors - 180 pts

Heavy Support
5 Hellblasters: Heavy Plasma Incinerators - 175 pts

Total - 990 pts

I figure I'll infiltrate the Lieutenant, Reivers, and auto rifle intercessors near the enemy, the other shooty guys form a gunline and camp objectives. Not sure if the Apothecary should be in close helping out the infiltrating guys or just on the gunline. This list assumes the grenade launchers are 4 points (they aren't listed but the french rules/leak apparently said 4 points), if they are I'm not sure what to spend 10 points on. Maybe grapnels for the Reivers for vertical mobility?

>>54704567
Why? You keep posting this but what's the reason

>>54704601
We don't know that.

>>54704464
Agreed, I was just hoping to for more pennies from heaven

>>54704584
> Note to self schedule therapy.

>>54704552
>chaos joy
We're really more shocked. In one fell swoop they balanced an army, and in the same motion, totally broke the game. Well played GW

>>54704414
Working on my Swarmlord. Carapace, base, and the little tubes are all thats left now.

Can I also just take the Death Guard models, and have something like Raptors in the same detachment? I know the Raptors wouldnt gain Disgustingly Resilient, but it works, right?

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>>54704601
The fact the only time a grey knight fell was when Slaanesh took the form of a "beautiful young boy" in front of him implies otherwise.
>>54704617
Can you imagine if they were cheaper? They're be terminator slayers without a problem.

>>54704634
>Broke the game
Explain? Brimstones are just a meme so they don't count.

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>>54704433
Here you go. Each little yellow dot is a horror. In total it's 2000 brimstone horrors.

This is the face of competive 40k in 8th edition

>>54704643
>The fact the only time a grey knight fell was when Slaanesh took the form of a "beautiful young boy" in front of him implies otherwise.
Excuse me?

>>54704643
Well, we don't know if it was a real GK, just a dude in silver armor.

>>54704643
That was a dude with a rune encrusted sword, which GK don't use.
It makes it doubtfull it actually was a GK.

>>54704414

Building my third Hemlock Wraithfighter tonight.

Orks are going to be nerfed in their codex. You know it to be true

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At this rate I sort of fear how insane our codex is.
>inb4 10 years later.

>>54704655
>the last word in cheap chaff that can smoke objectives and outlast graviathan, conscripts, and literally anything else
Meme, but broken

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>GKs get Chaplains and planes
>CSM still don't have Grav or Drop pods

>>54704662
Beautifull.

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>>54704666
oh its true, its true. true fact: jared fogel- the pedofilic child rapest who turned batshit crazy eating plastic subway bread was a in fact a grey knights player.

>>54704662
>just doing this with a WB dark apostle
>fly my pretties

Wait.
GK can take Dreads and Venerable Dreads AND they become psykers when taken by GK?

>>54704683
Yeah but that's one single list, that no one will ever do. It's not like there's a whole system that is used by everyone in tournaments, like Grav-spam, scat-bikes and whatnots.

>>54704703
Correct. GK also pay more points for their dreads because of it.

Slaneesh? More like, "Gay, yeesh"

>>54704481
Adding a partial CP tax to a unit to increase the odds of rolling average is a nerf. There are plenty of other things you are already wanting to spend CP on.

>>54704699
>Tzeentch dubs

Doubt.jpeg

>>54704703

Yeah they pay like 15 points extra though.

But on the other hand, teleporting dreads.

>>54704683
>smoke objectives
They don't get the chaos version of defenders of humanity do they?
If so, then yeah, that's broken as all get out and needs an FaQ. If not, then it's a meme, one tactical marine makes them worth fuck all towards objectives.
Also, even if you can buy 2000 horrors for a dollar a pop your still spending more than the cost of a fuckinf warlord titan, for something that has fuck all offensive power, and defensive power that's BTFO'd by mortal wounds of the powers that turn off invuls.

>>54704546
When you bring boyspam, you ALWAYS, **A L W A Y S** bring you a motherfucking Big Mek with Force Field, keeping 1/3 of the wounds off of you is insanely good for their price. I usually bring 2 to 3

Also what the hell did that defiler have to be killing that many boys? I faced two the other night and they were shit

>>54704713
Why don't I see GK players with Venerables more often then?

I think my Twin-Lascannon Twin-Assault Cannon Venerable is my favorite long range fire support unit in my whole army as normal marines.

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>>54704666
7e Chaos Daemons Codex, the pages about Slaanesh's domain tell the tale of a "silver armored Astartes" wielding a rune etched blade, with a will of Iron, who managed to walk all the way to the centre of Slaanesh's realm without falling.
Which is an impressive feat, but looking at Slaanesh in person forfeits your soul so it was kind of like a nigh impenetrable fortress of a mind just opening the gates willingly.
>>54704671
How many astartes wear silver armor, use anti-daemon weapons, and can actually withstand the warp that much?
>>54704672
Do they not?

>>54704706
Not quite. I don't think 2000 will ever show up, but 100, 200 to make a backbone to a TS army would be devastating. Hell, any source of 2W/4++ for ONE POINT is insanely hard to combat.

Even with falling back, this ruins 90% of lists as you can just drown people in bodies for pennies. The saving grace is the actual models are fairly expensive, but with recasters..

>>54704728

Not really - I don't use CP on much of anything else in my Ynnari list sans holding one for last turn rolls. Really unnecessary with the Farseer having his own built in re-roll and Yvraine's built in +1 to all casting rolls.

>>54704740
Twin-Autocannon, not twin-assault cannon.

>>54704740
Because you pay extra points for being able to do 1 mortal wound at 12'' on a unit that you want to use for long range fire support.

>>54704739

Why? You have to keep the ENTIRE unit within 9" which usually means at best you'll get one unit in the bubble at a time.

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>be devoted of Tzeentch
>Playing them since 5th, have a tattoo of his icon
>Mfw I have 400 Brimstone, 200 Blue, and 100 Pink

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Made a dark eldar discord. Curious to see if anything happens with it

https://discord.gg/vVqZC

>>54704767
If you're shit maybe, if you keep them positioned correctly you'll keep two units covered a mek easy

>>54704773
I thought we already had /d/

>>54704752
>this ruins 90% of lists as you can just drown people in bodies for pennies
It requires almost a full 30 man squad to do a single wound against MEQ.
They're good, but they're mostly an inexpensive inconvenience, designed to just be there

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>>54704724
Slaanesh is pansexual.
Not the tumblr "all genders" meme meaning the actual meaning as coined by Sigmund Freud meaning;
"Man, Woman, Animal, Alien, Corpse, Child, any hole is a goal and any pole is a throne."
>>54704768
You have a chaos tattoo as well? Where's yours?

>>54704773
Archons sound off!