Are there any examples of any of these done right?

Pretty sure the Emu should be in the evil section. Or its an evil outsider

>>54699364
Also Canada goose should be chaotic, those fuckers are batshit insane even by wild animal standards

>>54699300
You just posted it

>>54699442
Any others????

Ya know, that aren't birds?

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Chaotic evil seagulls is spot on. Those fuckers are evil peices of shit. I've seen them:
>try to kill a dog
>sit on top of the 24 hour macdonalds every Friday and Saturday night waiting to target the drunkest
>try to steal my pie
>kill a rabbit
>pick up a pigeon it had fucked up and lift it into the sky and drop it.
>get hit by a car and swarm the car looking for revenge.
>swallow a used condom
>eat all the baby birds out a sparrows nest

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Does anyone have the one with the nature on it? Like the stars, the sun, viruses etc

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>>54699300

>>54699300
>Owls
>LN

>>54700603
Nice

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>>54699300
The best alignment charts are the ones that focus on one person.

>>54699300
>imposing human values on animals
No

>>54701923
Its called anthropomorphization and most people with any common sense know its intended as fiction.

>>54701923
Sorry meant to link
>>54701886

>>54701886
My nigga.

Acting like people are arbitrarily locked into one square and don't change how much they're willing to bend their moral code or lack thereof depending on the situation is just lying to yourself.

>>54699300
Crows are the most evil fucks in the bird kingdom. These things attack indiscriminately everything that walks by the tree they happen to be sitting on at any given time. They're constantly attacking other birds, people, other bird nests, other small animals with no logical incentives. They're also retarded as fuck, despite what youtube says. Annoying ass CAW too. God I wish it was legal to exterminate these things. Eat a fucking dick you shit bird.

>>54702695
>These things attack indiscriminately everything that walks by the tree they happen to be sitting on at any given time

You're either in Japan or in a very specific part of America where the crows are all cunts

Japanese crows are literally god's punishment for a sinful earth

Geese are chaotic evil

>>54702695
Crows respond in turn to how they've been treated, except the Japanese ones which are cunts for no reason.

All the crows in my area are fed french fries and pieces of burger bun by random people, and now they'll straight up land on your shoulder if you have fast food and beg for some.

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>>54699300
>Chaotic Evil being anything other than the Cassowary

>>54703109
Cassowaries are chill though. They'll only kill you if you try to fuck with them.

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Well, here's one with technically one person over and over.

>>54703691
There's no way that the Illusive Man was Lawful. He and his company were constantly and forever working outside of the law. They're consistently shown to be involved in illegal activities.

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>>54703759
In this instance, I believe the intent was to follow a consistent code of conduct. That he went crazy in the third game and the book shows what he would have looked like if he had been truly insane all along instead of just cruel and manipulative.

Here's a much older version of the same thing.

>>54703804
Yeah, I think I understand the intent. But even the quote used - "Judge us not by our methods" - implies that he doesn't care at all about the law, or following it. If you interpret lawful as just being a personal code, and his personal code as only "humanity first" then it works.
But that's pretty loose, don't you think? Under that everyone would be Lawful.

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This goes out to all us old people.

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>>54703870
Maybe you're right. I'm just digging through my old directories, I may not agree with every line. I don't think the Tennant Doctor was Chaotic Evil either, though you could make the call that he was closest to it, especially what he did in Family of Blood.

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About the one thing we can all agree on is that the Joker has become a quintessential Chaotic Evil.

>>54703902
Fair enough! I appreciate the images anyway.

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This is the worst one ever created bar none.

>>54703885
Good memories of me and my pops watching that show. He's big into TT as well.

>>54704185
>Storm Troopers: Lawful Neutral
>Thought Police: Lawful Neutral

my god.

>>54699300
>Canadian Goose
>Not pure chaotic evil

>>54704185

Pretty sure batman is lawful good.

>>54704345
I mean, it's not wrong is it? TN should uphold the law or their own code of conduct without regard to whether or not it is morally correct.

>>54704496
They're pursuing self-gain (IE, power for the emperor) instead of law in general, blah blah blah.

>>54704543
The emperor (and senate) is the law tho.
The rebels are a fringe group imposing their will upon established galactic legal system because they view it to be wrong.
What do you mean by "law in general"?

>>54704698
Law for laws sake. Order is good because it is order.

For example: A lawful neutral group would not allow a place like Mos Eisley to exist. It is too chaotic and full of crime. They'd want it wiped and polished. But, despite having a presence on Mos Eisley, they allow the crime to continue largely unimpeded because they gain from the crime aspects of it.

Same reason why they allow the Hutts to continue to operate, they gain something from allowing him too, despite him breaking the law.

>>54704474
I'm so glad that people on this site know that LG doesn't mean total Boy Scout (Not that I mind Boy Scouts) and that just because a character's intimidating and a bit edgy or brutal doesn't automatically mean they're Chaotic.

Since we're talking about alignments, I thought I could post my OC here. How is this for defining D&D alignments?

--

Lawful Good: I'm usually selfless - I help others in need, and through law can we establish and maintain order, which will bring safety and peace to the people.

Lawful Neutral: I care about the concept of law - personal morals or wants aren't so important as making sure law is maintained and enforced, so we can avoid falling into instability.

Lawful Evil: I'm usually selfish - I don't care what happens to others so long as I get what I want, and I believe that the law allows me to get what I want from people.

Neutral Good: I'm usually selfless - I help others in need, and I believe that being virtuous and going against evil is the best way to bring the greatest good to people.

True Neutral: I don't have any strong preference any which way when it comes to people and society. I might go with how I'm feeling at a particular point in time, or I have a philosophy of maintaining balance between all concepts.

Neutral Evil: I'm usually selfish - I don't care what happens to other so long as I get what I want, and I believe that "do-gooders" are a scourge to be done away with.

Chaotic Good: I'm usually selfless - I help others in need, and not only does the law have nothing to do with what's right, its often a means to control and manipulate the people.

Chaotic Neutral: I dislike rules, there is no way to get anywhere by clinging on to restrictive marching orders all the time. If anything, law can or should be done away with.

Chaotic Evil: I'm usually selfish - I I don't care what happens to others so long as I get what I want, and I will evade, break, and overthrow anyone else's rules to get it.

>>54704981
>Lawful Good: Aristotle
>Lawful Neutral: Thomas Hobbes
>Lawful Evil: Ayn Rand
>Neutral Good: The Stoics
>True Neutral: Laozi
>Neutral Evil: ???
>Chaotic Good: Kropotkin
>Chaotic Neutral: Max Stirner
>Chaotic Evil: Friedrich Nietzsche

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>>54702962

>>54700603
Eh, alignment is only good for settings built with objective morality as a core idea

>>54704474
I think we need to tell new players to mentally swap out lawful for disciplined so that they stop thinking about it so literally it would end so much confusion. All Lawful means in this context is being consistent in your beliefs and actions.

>>54704496
INGSOC go out of their way to monitor and control every citizen so they can control their every thought and rule with an iron fist.

Compare that to Judge Dredd; even though Dredd will uphold the law so harshly that he'll arrest a j-waker, he does it to ultimately keep peace and order. The Judges and the Justice Department still allow people to live normal lives and have limited freedom. In the eyes of the Justice Department law exists to keep order and peace.

In the world of 1984 INGSOC are more concerned about controlling the lives of every single person who's not the uper-elite, they go out of their way to create proxy wars with other nation states and deliberately cause supply shortages so they can keep the majority of people as poor, desperate, and indoctrinated. INGSOC might be lawful, but they exist to oppress others for their own personal gain, they are LE.

>>54702962
Maybe that's why they created kenku.

Also, I remember when I visited Tokyo, the caws of Japanese crows sounded eerily human.

>>54705363
sorry, tengu*. Its late and I am getting my weeb and geek wires crossed.

>>54705298
That's the thing, very few people who are "evil" know or think they are. Which makes evil a problematic word in some sense as far as defining alignment, since most good villains aren't "evil", but more complicated. Maybe Lawful Excessive should be a thing.

>>54702695
I've lived near murders of crows and they're one of the most chill dudes there are. They never attacked other birds either, usually smaller birds drove them away depending on the season

>>54704836
Okay, I suppose I understand what you're going for not that you've entirely convinced me or anything.
Considering that Tatooine is in the outer rim and therefore essentially out of the empire's jurisdiction, due to their limited power within the area, your example seems more akin to US Police only being able to apply limited force in other countries.

>>54705057
What exactly are Ayn Rand's philosophies?

>>54705057
>Neutral evil
Mainländer?

>>54705298
>>54705465
>Lawful Excessive should be a thing
I think this is exactly it.
I would argue that any government enforces laws because they believe it is in their benefit to do so.
Just because the laws in Judge Dredd are comparably less extreme doesn't mean they are enforced for some completely different reason.

>>54705651
Essentially, she believes that altruism is evil, that the government should exist but only exist to protect property and keep people from straight up murdering each other, and that anyone who ever questions this is a parasite and a moocher.

She also claimed Mozart's music suggested communistic tendencies.

>>54705830
huh.

So like a anti-charity Adam Smith?

Neato

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>>54700523
you have a very naive notion of nature, anon.
the seagull must eat, or it will die a horrible death.
every living thing must kill or be killed.
such is life.

>>54704981
I'd say you are way off on the whole lawful thing, a bit on the chaotic as well. I'd define L N and C as the following.

Lawful; My actions flow from codes of conduct which I hold to be sacrosanct. These codes can be legal, moral, or they can be personal, as long as they are coherent. What makes one lawful is that one strictly obeys their own codes and rules. My core self is rigid and fixed.

Neutral: My actions flow from my own concerns and self interest, I will generally act rationally in my own favor and thus consistently, but my behavior is situational and can change as circumstances do. My core self is defined, yet flexible.

Chaotic: My actions flow from my own concerns and passions, I will generally act how I wish and often not entirely consistently, my behavior is situational and can often change. There is not a strong core self which defines my actions but many competing situational selves each with their own values.

>>54703691
>Garrus
>Chaotic

He's the most calibrated trooper on the Normandy

>>54705845
This, mother nature is a fucking bitch, which is why humans have always used the technological skills she gave us to usurp her whenever we get the chance.

>>54705772
Made me chuckle
Though I believe you can be ingredient neutral and still believe an ice cream sandwich to be a sandwich

>>54705772
my personal favorite

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What alignment would Rogal Dorn fall under?

>>54705880
Personally, I agree that Law-Chaos axis can apply to personal behaviour and internalization, but I'm not so sure it determines how impulsive vs. how logical or rational you are, which seems to be a common trope that many people do go with.I feel those things are more determined by how you wish to roleplay the character's personality quirks, as the Alignment chart seems to more represent values.

My interpretation has always been that it determines whether a character goes along with or against societal rules and expectations. I admittedly did write it through the lens of attitude towards law, but the scope really includes more.

I always thought that it was originally developed for old-school D&D, which would determine how well a rogue or paladin could mesh with a party or how cooperative an NPC would be to the party's cause, though I am not so sure about this.

>>54705842

If Adam Smith had ended Wealth of Nations with, "PS, fuck every other guy, maximize your own self interest at all costs," then why not.

To be fair, she'd been subjected to the worst privations of Leninism kicking off, followed by Stalin's first grasp of power; she herself was purged from school for being bourgeois shortly before graduating. (She was later allowed to finish.) She had a lot of pathos driving her to be really, really angry at all forms of collectivism. The problem isn't her, it's everyone that treats her as gospel passed down by the Lord Exchequer Jesus Christ.

>>54706014
Lawful stupid

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>>54706246
>wallful stupid

You had one job.

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>>54706014
I tried giving all the Primarchs a shot.

Not entirely satisfied with 'em.

1/2

>>54706170
>but I'm not so sure it determines how impulsive vs. how logical or rational you are,
I would agree for the most part, I tried not to make it sound too much like I was saying that Lawful has to have their code of conduct be rational, or that chaotic has to not think things through. Though generally that's how things tend to go. I think one can make a lawful character who's personal rules are quite illogical to others, even if not self contradictory. Or that a chaotic person can act on their feelings rationally and deliberately, even if they don't act consistently across time.

In my own conception at least I prefer the definitions I have given because I find them more universally descriptive of a range of internal motivations. I mean if we define law as social rules and exceptions then IMO we run into the problem of what happens when a character has come from a different society with different values. Sure the definition includes that too, but I've seen people get into silly arguments about how a lawful person would respect the rules of a society they would personally find abhorrent and that sort of thing. That's why I think it's better to define it in terms of generalized internal motivations and tenancies and then clarify and refine those motivations with external reasons.

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>>54706336

>>54706347
That actually makes a lot of sense

>>54699300
What is going on in the Neutral Evil picture?

>>54705845
Seagulls are definitely bigger assholes about it than most animals. Common grackles are pretty bad too.

>>54706537
Cuckoo

Lays it's eggs in other birds nests and makes them raise it, in that picture you can clearly tell it's not the same bird as the one feeding it since the chick is already like 3 times the size of the "parent".

>>54703902
I'd place Dr. Horrible as chaotic neutral or chaotic good. He's all about anarchy and overthrowing the status quo, but is motivated by a desire to fix the suffering he sees all around him. The only individual he ever considered killing (and needed egging on to do so) was one that beat him up on regular occasion and wanted to make him miserable. Still not a Good action, but that's the most evil he ever got.

>>54700523
Surely eating a used condom is more of a chaotic neutral thing

>>54706610
There is a theory that other birds are raising baby cuckoos because all adult cuckoos in the zone will beat them up if they don't.

>>54702695
>>54703065
Y'all heard about that study where some researchers kidnapped and scared crows while wearing masks ... and then when released, the crows not only attacked anyone who wore those masks but trained neighboring crows and even subsequent generations of crows to attack them

>>54700523
This is a pigeon falseflag
dont believe what he says
pigeons do nothing but spread disease.

>>54705057
Hedonists?

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>>54700526
I gotchu

>>54699364
Found the Aussie.

>>54705169
Not only that, Batman but actively believes in the law, EVEN AGAINST ALL EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESNT WORK, he knows the villains will escape next friday and he still puts them in the same prison.

>>54704185
>INGSOC Thought Police
>Anything other than the sickest most twisted Lawful Evil imaginable
wew

>>54707292
This chart seems to think you can't be lawful evil unless you're the one calling the shots

>>54705465
>>54705726
In 1984 O'Brien implies that all the experiences Winston had that led him to question the Party were deliberately constructed, just so that someone from the Inner Party might later have the chance to crush his spirit one on one. The Party exists to maintain and abuse power, that is the pleasure Inner Party members take in life, because to them that's all that matters. Power for the sake of power. And what is the truest expression of power? The ability to make someone else suffer.

>>54705772
this is the best one

>>54701886
This one is excellent except obviously the Neutral Evil example is textbook Lawful Evil and they should be swapped

>>54699300
Here's how I think of them-

>Lawful Good
The Good King beloved by his subjects
>Neutral Good
The Wandering Druid who helps the innocent
>Chaotic Good
The bandit who steals from the rich to give to the poor
>Lawful Neutral
The city guard just doing their job
>True Neutral
The average joe/jane off the street
>Chaotic Neutral
Traveling bard who messes with people for laughs
>Lawful Evil
The evil overlord trying to take over the kingdom
>Neutral Evil
Outlaw gang leader out to make a profit off of other's suffering
>Chaotic Evil
Crazy mercenary who kills for pleasure

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>>54699300

>>54703759

Breaking a government enforced law is not a chaotic act, but it is an act a chaotic person is more likely to perform.

>>54707618

>GullOut

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>>54699300
Yes, if you use them as guideline and not as rules. I for example use them, whenever I am DM, to see where the characters stand, and keep that in mind.

Reminder that a NE player should have no issue obeying the law and supporting the party- so long as the alternative is prohibitively dangerous. He is capable of anything- with the proper motivation.

That said NE operates on profit, cost and loss. Breaking the law needs to be faster and more rewarding and only carry an acceptable hike in risk. As an example

>the blacksmith has something you want
>you can't afford it yet
>plying your trade will make enough gold for you to sink every copper into this item
>you'll be in the area for a couple weeks and are likely to pass through again

Now you try and rob the blacksmith. But unless you're a career thief this is dangerous, the risk of discovery is high and after being seen there earlier suspicion is going to fall on you. Or you could kill him. This is fast and gets you what you want. But now you're a criminal, the town's out for blood and you've lost a blacksmith to boot.

The NE character in this scenario would choose to work and buy what he wanted. The loss of gold, while less then ideal is the safest path to what he wants. Changes in circumstance will naturally alter the character's thoughts. Stabbing a merchant in bumfuck nowhere you'll never return to is a far more viable prospect then the same in a trading hub. The same goes for just about everything

>>54708267

Shockingly enough, a significant percentage, if not a majority, of people are true neutral with neutral evil leanings. Such is the human condition.

>>54707080
>Fire is a fickle thing and delights in escaping the hands of its masters

>>54699442
>seagull as chaotic evil. Seagulls are neutral. All birds are neutral, except geese, which are just dicks.

>>54708289
I can believe that. We will take a shortcut, tell a lie to better ourselves if it's safe, that's why integrity is a virtue

>>54703691
Mass effect doesn't really work for this. Almost all of the characters were "good", they just differed on "respect for rules and idealism". The illusive man for instance would be far closer to chaotic good than lawful evil.

>>54704185
Dexter isn't really evil, either. He kills because of compulsion, but mostly bad people that would have got away from justice because he was taught to, and the occasional good person that gets in his way. So he's either neutral, or beyond this classification. It can be said that he makes the best of his circumstances.

>>54703712
The Doctor is an odd case because even though he's fundementally the same person, he has a completely different personality every single time he regenerates.

That alignment chart would honestly be better if it used a single regeneration, like 10 or something.

>>54708442
Dexter and other more complex characters can't fall into D&D alignment since it is never clarified what D&D alignment really represents. Since you only get to put yourself on the cosmic scale without really taking into account on why you act in this way or how you see yourself, the most extreme case might be a Batman-like character.

From my readings, "lawful" seems to represent how you treat your own cultures traditions and laws, but elves, despite being described as a tradition-based society, tend to be chaotic.

"Good" is often mentioned as "kindness" and "being gentle" but dwarves are described as actively staying out of the issues of others, even if they could help, despite being generally good.

So what is alignment in reference to? Personal culture? Regional? Global? Cosmic? In a fantasy world with so many different cultures, your alignment should change depending on the situation imho.

>>54700523
Dundee?

>>54699300
Lawful Good should be one of those parrots old ladies keep for company. Or Abe-tan.

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>>54708839
>it is never clarified what D&D alignment really represents.

Alignment has always been totally unambiguous and it's only wishy washy "muh relativism" faggots like you suggesting otherwise

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LG: Fragile and Tough
NG: Barrier Free
CG: Single Nabe Double Nabe
LN: Cultural Anthropology
TN: Derenai Family
CN: Flower on the Battlefield
LE: Dairy Cow's Life
NE: Pig
CE: Four-Leaf Lover

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>>54714147
>Even mentioning that last one on this site

>>54703712
wait, how was David Tennant Chaotic Evil ?
i mean he had some dark moments, but i wouldn't say he is chaotic evil.

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>>54700526

>NG
>Bruce Campbell

Best man representing best alignment.

>>54699300
>bird that literally breeds through raping multiple different vaginal canals until it can find the real one
>lawful

>>54700526
>Jayne Cobb
>Chaotic Evil
Just no.

>>54700526
this chart is shit.
it's mostly different shades of neutral or evil

>>54700603
Lawful Good should be Chaotic Good.

>>54715062
>betrays people for personal gain, repeatedly
>no qualms to lie or cheat
>no honor
>or morals
The only reason he stays in line for most of the series is because he fears Mal too much to think of crossing him. He's Chaotic Evil alright.

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>>54714147
ho boy
I don't know which is worse, the fact that I know all these, or that I can't argue with this listing.

>>54715053
Nah, Garak is textbook true neutral.

>>54707395
It's actually a darned shame that Orwell died before Stalin did. He would've disagreed with many things in Kruschev's USSR but he would've been relieved to know that something like INGSOC can, in fact, die on its own simply because the suffering of underlings is not enough sustenance for the powerful elite.
Power is it's own reward and always will be, but people who can only savor it as a way of destroying humanity are a very rare minority, hated even among the ruthless and the corrupt.

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>>54705772
>>54705993
>>54707433

now the real killer is,
would you make a modern/modern-fantasy setting where you went to war over those ideals for the future of sandwich kind? would you Run it?
would any of the views collaborate into sides (Subs side with Classics out of tradition, etc.) or would it be a free-for-all

and
which side would you fight for?

>bonus if the setting is 1 part FLCL, 1 part Boondocks, and 1 part Fight Club

>>54714652
Welcome to "apply classic d&d alignment to something", where you pigeonhole characters with contrived at best, entirely made up shit at worst, reasonings.
Don't read too deep into it, they're just for fun, more or less.

>>54715147
I'm not gonna argue with someone who's only seen at most two episodes of the show.
Jayne Cobb is Chaotic Neutral.

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>>54703902
>The American Way
>Good
>Lawful

>>54715585
For people that aren't cowards, weaklings, pussies, poorfags, and communists, yeah, it is.

>>54715729
> Implying America is currently a meritocracy

>>54715758
The "American Way" is about putting in the work and it paying off. People at the bottom of America deserved to be trod upon. Poor people deserve to be poor for being incompetent at life. If you don't have a satisfactory amount of wealth, physical fitness, and knowledge, it's your fault unless you're one of the relatively statistically insignificant people that are born with some kind of horrible condition or are made physically incapable by something like child abuse or neglect.

>>54715837
Did you even read?

>>54707080
This is great, but i'd swap out disease for something more in line with the others. Maybe Ice/Cold or gale force winds/hurricanes.

>>54707395
this guy gets it
INGSOC doesn't play by the rules for the sake of playing by the rules
it changes the rules constantly, it puts itself above all else, and it's not trying to make things better, not even for the Inner Party, it's literally all about getting off on a power trip, it's actually one of the weaker things about the book because realistically even the most power-hungry people want something more than just power, they want health, wealth, comfort, fame, accolades, or something else along those lines

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>>54715837

>>54714856
>>54714900
>>54715001
>>54715043


Man I don't know where all these damn quotes come from, but I am intrigued af

>>54705772
what's the difference between a burrito and a chicken wrap?

>>54716285
Wraps have traditional sandwich ingredients. Burrito is a mexican/tex-mex thing so the fillings are from that particular cuisine.

>>54714147
was Four-Leaf Lover the one that ended by saying 0 humans and 5 animals were awaiting the sequel?

>>54700526

>Norrington is lawful good
>despite quote CLEARLY showing he will bend the rules if he thinks it moral

What kind of alignment would a person have if they're committing a clear reprehensible evil but think that it's for the greater good in the end?

>>54717576
If we could agree on that we would have considerably fewer of those threads.

LG, it's intention that matters

>>54717641
Depends on how reasonable it would be for that person to realize they are wrong

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>>54716268
This.

>>54718011
Rotate Chris, Aqua, Megumin, and Kazuma clockwise and you're fine. Eris is literally a thief. Aqua doesn't have a single good bone in her body nor respect for authorit., Megumin doesn't actively spurn and really only cares about herself and explosions, so she can go in True Neutral, and despite his flaws Kazuma and Darkness are the only virtuous people in the party, so he's Neutral Good, all things considered.

>>54718138
Alternatively, if you're wanting for someone to fill the role of Chaotic Good, you could go with Wiz, who is literally defying the laws of the Gods to exist, but is undoubtedly a good person.

>>54706239
>The problem isn't her, it's everyone that treats her as gospel passed down by the Lord Exchequer Jesus Christ.
That can be said of most political thinkers. Just saying.
I've been told Marx hated it when people praised him without questioning anything.

>>54705169
Part of the stumbling block there is baked into older bits of the system - when it was originally defined as 'law vs chaos', without the ninefold bit, it wobbled back and forth between Poul Anderson-style 'civilization vs barbarism' and Michael Moorcock 'two implacable ambiguous philosophies', which has kept things off-kilter going forward.
And then of course there's the Light Side and the Dark Side of the force, which shouldn't make any difference but keep slipping in because they're so important to so many geeks.

>>54718011

Chris respects the law and mostly works as a dungeon thief with the sole exception of her religious duties. Megumin gives no fucks about collateral damage or future consequences as long as she can scratch that explosion itch.

Kazuma is a near picture perfect example of true neutral, always thinking of the risk and rewards of an action for himself and his close ones rather than its innate virtue of it or the well being of far away people he doesn't know. He can enforce justice or commit crimes for his own gain depending on the situation.

Aqua does see to be a perfect CN though, only her "remove demon" mindset could possibly put her in the good category.

>>54718263

This I can get behind.

>>54706336
>>54706355
What the hell I have respect for all eighteen primarchs now.
I mean, heck with whether or not the alignment charts fully work, I suddenly actually like all of them!

>>54718440

First quote to >>54718138

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>>54700603
>I'm lawful evil.
>Chaotic Neutral

>>54705057
But Ayn Rand's philosophy is based on Aristotle's.

>>54705169
So you're saying the fictional version of Robin Hood that the game developers cite as an excellent example of Chaotic Good...isn't?

That clearly, the people working on the game don't know as much as YOU do, and because Robin keeps to his own code, he's actually a lawful good character?

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>>54699300
>send image to canadian friend
>sends back this

>>54716000
Previously saw someone suggest that a blizzard get put in there, with a Shackleton quote:
>Our food lies ahead and death stalks us from behind

>>54703712
>I'm not the survivor; I'm the winner
That's a good quote.

>>54718517
Following a code isn't inherently lawful if it was anyone who's put any thought into how he views morality would be lawful

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>>54718011
>>54718138
>>54718263
>>54718440

>>54715053
>>54715248

>Cardassians
>Chaotic anything

>>54717186
A blind eye for sport once in a while is not the same as bombing the State, Rorschach.

>>54718598
But as >>54705169 said: "All Lawful means in this context is being consistent in your beliefs and actions"

So literally, just having a personal code and sticking to it means you're lawful according to him.

>>54718950
Eh that really limits the range of available characters for neutral and chaotic, personally I would say that lawful means that in someway you value society, organization, and hierarchy in itself where as chaos opposes it

>>54703953
>>54704027
Underrated

>>54718950
>>54718950

Lawful is the placement of ethos as the primary justification of Good, Evil or Neutrality. It means that whatever your feels or your mind tells you is secondary to that which is dictated by authority.

>>54719261
But then how do you distinguish between lawful good, neutral and evil?

>>54719298
Not him in fact i disagree with him but
Lawful good: "Order is the best way to do good"
Lawful evil: "Order is the best way to exploit others"
Lawful neutral: "Order is the best"

>>54708401

>Illusive Man
>Good

nice joke

agreed on him not being Lawful though

>>54719434
Disagree?? With me?? We'll see! You bee!

>>54719298
Setting dictates what's good, neutral and evil. Lawful indicates wether this is pursued via adherence to doctrine, Chaotic indicates wether this is pursued on an emotional whim, Neutral (prefix) is either a balance of the two or a general noncommitment to the alignment.

Also, Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Neutral are not True Lawful or True Chaotic. They're neutrality pursued either according to codified law/authority or on immediate desires.

>>54719605
Isn't law and chaos as dependent on setting as good and evil? Also what would a character with an intellectual opposition to doctrine be considering that he might not base his opinions on emotions

>>54703953

>This can't be happening! I'm in charge here!

wat

>>54719663
Not codified normally in alignments. I would probably put in neutral/balanced too if I was writing the fluff.
Chaos/Law isn't as dependant on setting as good, evil and neutral (suffix) because it's not as subjective IRL.

>>54704185

>fictional police and crime fighters
>not a single character from the Wire

Because Wire characters are too hard to pin to one box on the 9-alignment grid...right?

>>54719783
Meant to say, logic isn't codified as an alignment.
And anyone who thinks Lawful == Logical is out of their mind.

What alignment would you class the following statement?

>"When the representatives of justice and order grow corrupt, a pinch of chaos must be added to the mix for true order to return"

>>54719817
Chaotic stupid.

>>54719811
Didn't you say that chaotic goo dis good due to emotions?

>>54703902
That life and death quote is just fucking wrong. Life is a coherent pattern. In death, that pattern fails.

>>54719881
good is*

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>>54700603
What's up with Neutral Good in this pic? I don't see how that's Neutral Good aside from the game in the picture

>>54705845
That is a pretty snake

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>>54702962
>>54703065
I'm in Seattle and get dive bombed almost every day by these fuckers. Crows are scavenger parasites that mooch off of human garbage. Everyone gives them, pigeons, and seagulls pieces of bread, pizza crusts, fries, or other similar types of food. Pigeons are straight up respectful. Seagulls do some yodeling but I've NEVER seen one get aggressive on another bird or human, even if a little pigeon sneaks out a piece of food from under it. Let me emphasize that seagulls are the boss around here, they're nice birds and numerous and they're the biggest bird you'll see around here besides a very rare eagle sighting so no one messes with them. I once saw a gang of crows try to attack a bald eagle out in the more wooded areas north of here once. Man, I loved seeing that eagle own them. Really pleased my soul when it caught one of the crows and ripped its head in two. These things are not birds, they're a disease.

>>54721308
>Pigeons are straight up respectful.
Europoor here, the pigeons over there can't be the same species as we have here. We call them winged rats for a reason.