Modern General

Is mill finally tier 2?

>>54683344
no

>>54683374
I don't know. 4 out of 5 is a pretty good win rate. Better buy mill cards off Card Kingdom right now.

>>54683344
Mill is and always will be garbage

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this triggers the mill faggot

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STOP NETDECKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54683402
tiers are based on the distribution of decks in meta
mill is irrelevant, 4/5 may be luck, is it a friendly or competitive league?

>>54683407
>being under the radar triggers me
It just means no one has any sideboard for me.

>>54683428
it means your deck isnt competitive enough to be taken seriously

>>54683451
And yet it beats """"""competitive"""""" decks?

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>>54683214
>Probably a couple too many dorks
I don't think mana dorks are very cuttable since getting to 3 mana on turn 2 I feel is very essential to keep a good and competitive. I maybe could be talked into going down one Bird.

>4 temple garden is overkill
Usually yes but this is Knight of the Reliquary deck. Not going to replace one with Razorverge.

>Maybe a Wildwood or two would be good.
Forgot. I like 1-of.

And some other minor changes. Now up to 3 "taplands" which might be a bit suspect.

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Anybody Knightfall players able to help me put together a real sideboard? Also maindeck suggestions too.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/knightfall-coco-1/

>>54683344
Never ever.

>>54683465
can i get proof for it in leagues
also 5 games is not a good sample size

Eldrazi were a mistake

>>54683471

Why not add the Knightfall stuff as well?

>>54683387
>GSZ won't make Modern elves better

You're high as fuck if you don't think that having access to Archdruid, Ezuri, Shaman of the Pack, Heritage Druid, E-Wit, and turn 1 Arbor won't make the deck stronger. Plus Teeg, Rec Sage, Scooze or other board card of choice. Of course it makes the deck absurdly stronger.

Whether GSZ is still banworthy today is a different question, but let's not pretend that it won't make elves better

>>54683593
They aleady run Chord, so the toolbox is nothing new. The main thing they get is T1 Arbor off of GSZ that basically guarantees three mana turn two alongside the other dorks they run.

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>>54683478
I'd work on that maindeck before anything else. You want at least 2 pridemages since exalted is really good in this deck and it helps hedge against affinity/artifact and enchantment decks and the same goes for voice since he can provide a decent blocker and value/threat, also some number of Scooze is good as well. I wouldn't even run Crucible snake in knightfall at all since we aren't really breaking it like some of the GW taxes decks do. Aven is also not amazing in this deck unless you play in a meta with a LOT of tron. I'd probably add some number of Courser and Selfless spirit too. Also try to run 28 creatures at least because 27 is kind of skimpy in my experience. You also may want to consider more Reflector mages main since he's pretty good right now and some E witness for the CoCo grind and to recur other stuff.

For my sideboard I usually play some toolbox creatures like Teeg and Staticaster, A little counter magic and then some flex slots for the meta.

>>54683593

Again the format is far too removal heavy. The only way for Elves to have access to absurd amounts of mana in Modern is for a super wide uninteractive board. There's no way to save your Archdruids at instant speed with Sylvan Safekeeper and there's no Wirewood+Gaea's Cradle interaction for the format either. Believe me i've done a heap of testing on this against the tiered matchups right now and it's not even remotely broken as you think it is.

All the things you listed is already done off Chord and you can convoke for that which effectively cheats you more mana than GSZ would and can be done at instant speed. The only thing that's sizeably strong is GSZ for 0 getting Dryad Arbor and Gaddock Teeg.

>>54683471
-1 bird -1 scooze
+2 voice of resurgence

>>54683705
I also forgot to mention that 3 Ghost quarter is too much for this deck if you want to play it traditionally. If you want to play with Crucible snake and do some crazy stuff with that you might want to look into the GW company decks. Also play a Gavony Township it's amazing in this deck.

>>54683485
>Can I get proof for it in 5 game form
>Also 5 games is not enough to be proof

>>54683705
>>54683768
Thanks a bunch. I've played with all of those suggestions before, but haven't been able to put in the hours to really figure it out. Selfless for example has been a complete dead draw in a few matches, but I should probably not have cut it.

>crucible snake
It's had a couple shining moments, but yeah nothing that really made it crazy.
>you might want to look into the GW company decks.
Will do

>mindcensor
Again, I've been lucky so far, but like the snake it's utter ass in multiples. I'll keep it in sideboard I think.

>gavony
I cut it for Ghost Quarters/Snakes, but if I go down on those I'll definitely bring it back in.

>Courser
REALLY annoying if you combo and your opponent wants you to play it out, but yeah I'm always thinking about putting them into the main. Can't argue with the value.

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>>54683705
what a garbage graph

>>54683471

You don't need that many Ramunap Excavators, cut to 2 or 3.

You don't really have much to pressure your opponent with. Play something like I dunno Loxodon Smiter or something.

>>54683314
Thread q

>what is your favorite set and why?

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>>54683545
Because it's kind of a different deck?

>>54683753
>>54683944
Those creatures might as well have no text box at all in the deck. This isn't some Gilt-Leaf beats deck.

>>54684028

>Because it's kind of a different deck?
>Those creatures might as well have no text box at all in the deck. This isn't some Gilt-Leaf beats deck.

You've quoted two different posts that are mine so i'll just say it here combined.

You're arguably running a half and half worse mix version of existing decks. Are you trying to win by GQ'ing their shit to death or trying to win through KoTL? If you're trying to do the first then why are you not playing a Leonin Arbiter? If you're trying to do the second then why not play the Retreat?

What's your backup plan outside these things? You have zero pressure as of this list right now. I mean you could put in a Tireless Tracker or a Kitchen Finks as well in here in lieu of 2 slots for your Ramunap Excavators. Thalia? Qasali Pridemage for Ensnaring Bridge?

Also you could cut a few Birds of Paradise down, you're not ramping into much and your deck's curve is very low. I'd play 3 BoP or less in this list. It would allow you to play more value dudes or Chords.

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I haven't gotten to play any modern events in about a month but I finally got Friday night off to attend modern at a store in my town. I currently have Bant Eldrazi & G/B Tron built, which is better to bring into an unknown meta?

>>54683939
Go ahead show me a better graph on the CoCo math. I'll wait.

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While we're talking about Knightfall, how do you all play the combo when you play physically? Do you lay out all the lands you're grabbing, reveal Kessig from the library, or do you go through all the motions? I feel like it takes forever to play it out following rules-as-written.

>>54683993
>favorite set and why
Alara. Probably nostalgia, since it was the set to hook me, and I picked up my hierarchs on the cheap when they had just come out.

>>54684241
Tron, from what i hear its good in general

>>54684320
It's not bad if you just don't shuffle in between searches

>>54684320

Go through the motions. Have to be careful about emergency Surgical Extractions. You can speed it up be announcing what oyu need to do and don't shuffle in between searching.

>>54684241

Just play Bant Eldrazi if unknown. It's pretty much the new Jund anyway.

>>54684320
Depends on if my opponent is tapped out or has mana up. Tapped out I and assuming no memey free spell or anything like that I shortcut but with mana open I go through the motions and make sure to stack my triggers correctly and always play with a fetch or quarter up so I can keep going to dodge damage based removal or get steppe.

>>54684345
Tron has extremely lopsided matchups and could get the shit kicked out of it in an unkown meta, especially GB Tron. The dude's better off playing Bant Drazi in an unknown meta.

>>54684241
Bant and if the meta is accommodating for tron obviously switch.

>>54683993
Zendikar. I loved the sense of adventure and exploration. I also really liked that there was no great conflict. Then the eldrazi happened.

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>>54684244
The graph is stupid because the ratios are all dependent on what you have left in your deck

its not even clear what assumptions this graph makes

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>>54684345
>>54684379
>>54684427
Thanks for the input mates, I feel you're probably right, Bant Eldrazi seems like the right call. I'm running a pretty stock mainboard, but is there anything I outta take out and/or add to my sideboard?
Grafdigger's Cage x 3
Rest in Peace x 1
Stony Silence x 2
Worship x 1
Thragtusk x 1
Natural State x 1
Stubborn Denial x 3
Blessed Alliance x 1
Failure // Comply x 2

>>54684654

Add Engineered Explosives if you have it.

>>54684445

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/magic-math-orator-of-ojutai-collected-company-and-dragons-of-tarkir/
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/magic-math-how-consistent-are-spoils-of-the-vault-collected-company-and-griselbrand-in-modern/

Does this explain it better for you? The graph is comparitively the same in the URL as to the one in this thread.

>>54683993
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor because no humans and interesting take on different societies and how they change with the cycle

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>>54684767
2 in the mainboard already. Here's my full list.

>>54684849

That actually looks fine. Maybe -1 Grafdigger's and +1 Rest in Peace?

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>>54684809
I already know how to calculate the percent

Im just saying the graph is misleading

>>54684849
Yeah, I'll probably see about picking up an extra RiP before the event starts, I don't think I own a second one.

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>>54684926
>>54685172
Whoops, meant to reply to this.

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>>54683428
but I do, I just have to sideboard against real decks too

I just came here to remind that until this very day, MaRo still has never once in his life played a single game of Magic.

How is UR storm currently?

Modern is gay as fuck and there is no room for brewing.

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>>54683428
>Nobody sideboards against me

>>54685771
Go away Des, you're drunk.

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>>54685771
Commander sets aren't modern legal

>>54686340
>The histories speak of two feuding rulers whose deaths were celebrated and whose monuments symbolized the end of their wars. In truth, they were gay as fuck.

>>54685771
It's the most open format

Try being better at brewing

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I've been itching to try a white green desk for the past couple weeks because of some pulls from Hour of Devastation, care to r8 my first attempt?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/poison-sun/

>>54686340
>>54686505
ooga booga wer da wite bois at

>>54686603
Take this down before someone steals it. This is the deck that's going to break the format. It's literally perfect.

>>54686603
>all those 1 ofs

Don't do that

Figure out your strongest cards and what your strategy is and run 4's and 3's of the best cards then go from there

>>54686683

Primarily running a blue deck the one thing I fear when I'm not running blue is a blue/black/artifact deck that will fuck me over when I finally get my highdrops down, so I try to balance it and have some low drops. I wanted to get a full set of Life Goes On because that atleast feeds me life in response to blue/black/artifact bullshit but I haven't gotten anymore yet.

>>54686662
It has a bad Ink treader matchup so I don't think it'll be doing anything crazy anon.

Is this FNM playable or am I trolling myself?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-07-17-aFc-abzan-midrange/

>>54686848
But have you considered the fact that it can go toe-to-toe with Kithkin?

>>54686884
Depends on how competitive your FMN is, but I mean, it looks more or less like a bunch of abzan goodstuff so you'll probably be fine.

>>54686884
I'd drop Experiment one and play some more removal/disruption but other than that it looks ok. You might want to look into little kid junk since your almost playing it.

>>54686884
Eh, probably won't be terrible. I wouldn't expect to win a lot, but yea, 6/10

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Don't mind me, just posting the best creature in the format.

>>54686569
legacy is more open that modern rofl

>>54687497

My blue deck use to be a clusterfuck of cards that only fit into the Legacy ruleset, so I show that shit to this kid at my college telling him it's legacy and the kid flips shit and yells "THIS IS NOT FUCKING LEGACY!" And I had to grab it back while he pulled on his hair and his friends tried to calm his wide open ass eyes down, shit was rad

>>54686603
Modern is a format, anon. You want the standard thread. As for deck building tips >>54686683 is correct, decide a gameplan and put 4 or 3 of every card you need to run that gameplan. Consistency is literally the most important part of the game, if you can do what your deck want to do every game then you're in a good place. Of course the deck may just be shit and even when it goes off it loses, but that's something you'll learn very early into playing against real decks. Also, don't include creatures that cost 6 or more mana if you aren't running a dedicated ramp or control deck. Adding a 7 mana beater "just because" is a recipe to end up with it dead in your hand for 11 turns while you try to get the 7th land to cast it.

>>54687640

Well the idea with those is I have a few cards that make some shit unblockable or make all your creatures 1/1s, I want to be able to take you out in a few hits and make it so you can't block any of it, if you pull a counter I will just gain 4-8 life with one of my instants. There's a few cards here making it not standard legal that I wanted so modern is what I'm running.

>>54683314
Brewing this at the moment because jank is fun. Opinions?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hard-lock-jeskai-iso/

>>54687753
If you are committed to that gameplan look into the deck named "infect" for card ideas.

>>54687753
You should probably look at real decks and strategies before building your own to get an idea of what power level you need in modern.

>>54687753
Just because a card isn't legal in standard does not mean it has a place in modern, remember that.

>>54687497
Wrong

A lot of popular modern decks are very different from each other, running entirely different sets of cards

At least in competitive legacy you are either running the blue fair suite of brainstorm, force, deathrite shaman, etc or you are playing unfair jank that still probably at least runs force.

>>54688243
You know jack shit about legacy.

>>54688192

I always start off building it myself and seeing how it plays, then I adjust the hell out of it and compare it to other decks to see why things work in them compared to mine, my blue deck was a pile of enchantments and high cost creatures in the beginning, now it's a great balance of counters and artifacts

>>54688224

Well most of this stuff is from sets dating the past two years, most being from Eldrich moon and Hour of Deviation, it sounded pretty modern to me.

>>54683428
mill is hte most counterable deck ever, you just need any effect like emrakul and you literally can't lose. All other sideboard cards need at least to be drawn, you have absolutely no chance against emrakul in the sideboard.

>>54688252
>modern
>most popular cards hover around 25% of the meta
>legacy
>most popular cards hover around 60%

AKA

Less

Diversity

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>>54688267
>exile graveyard effects don't exist

>>54688267
>surgical extraction Emrakul

That was hard

Mill still sucks though

>>54688264
>it sounded pretty modern to me
Modern is the exact opposite of the newer stuff, I can see how the name would confuse a new player though.
The only card that really sees play from a recent set is Fatal Push.

>>54688296
>implying that stops a LoS
Don't delude yourself into thinking Mill isn't one of the most fragile archetypes.

>>54688307
they still get to put the rest of their gy into their lib

What do people think about a 1-of dangerous wager in burn?

>>54688442
Doesn't seem worth it in the slightest.

>>54688442
Maybe in Mono Red

>>54688348
LoS is just as strong against burn as it is against mill

>Eldrazi Tron gets a 3 mana, one sided, better wrath
When will this shit stop?

>>54688892
But the difference is that burn is inherently better than mill anyways.

>>54688907
But mill beats burn.

>>54688892
Actually Leyline turns off every single card in a mill deck since all of them target. Burn can still overrun a Leyline with creatures, Eidolon triggers and Boros Charm giving Double Strike, not to mention Destructive Revelry post board

>>54688900
When shitters wake up and realize that DS isn't the problem with modern. Shame that the shitters just parrot LSV.

>>54688928
And Soul Sisters beats Burn too, but its still unplayable.

>>54688928
>muh single matchups
Go on, tell me how well Mill works against GDS, eTron, and Affinity. Those are the top three most popular decks, and Burn doesn't get stomped by any of them.

>>54688928
Decks don't exist in a vacuum, buddy

>>54688939
I weep for what this format has become. It has the potential to be the best competitive format in Magic. Powerful but not too busted like Legacy, diversity among cards and colors, aggro, control and combo all viable etc., but Wizards has fucked the ban list up so hard. I dont disagree really with whats on there but with whats not on there. Affinity gets their own "fixed" Chrome Mox/Lotus Petal, Tron has the same problems as Cloudpost and should be banned for the same reason, Top takes rounds to time but Lanterns ok? Turn 3 Batterskull off SFM is too good yet Tron can literally cast a Turn 3 Batterskull. Like what the fuck. The banlist makes zero fucking sense considering that the stuff off the banlist is just as bad. Ban all fast mana.

>>54688964
Tbf Grixis Shadow and ETron can be very difficult. Burns in a kind of rough position right now.

>>54689022
>Lanterns ok
Lantern doesn't go to time and if it does it's because the opponent is salty they got locked out and started taking 5 mins a turn with all lands in hand. The deck plays just as fast as any other deck before the lock and arguably faster with the lock in place. I wouldn't even describe Mox as a ""fixed"" chrome mox either since Chrome can always be active t1 whereas mox can't a portion of the time and it doesn't require the deckbuilding restraint. Not to mention that so far the decks using opal haven't been doing problematic things like the Tron lands and recently Temple.

How to fix Modern
>Ban
Simian Spirit Guide
Mox Opal
Ensnaring Bridge
Urzas Tower, Urzas Mine, Urzas Power Plant
Eldrazi Temple
>Unban
The Artifact Lands
Bloodbraid Elf
Punishing Fire

>>54689072
>Ensnaring Bridge
How to spot a shitter. The real answer is to just ban tron and rip that band aid off but it'll never happen because WotC only bans the ""top"" deck and never looks into what's actually causing problems in the format.

>>54689022
Lantern is tier 3 dude. There are some serious faggots who play, but the judges know as well as I do that it becomes untap, draw, mill, once the lock is established, and no one should be humming and hawing over what spell to cast, tapping and untapping mana the whole time.

Lantern is no worse than Draw Go decks.

>>54689072
>ban tron lands
>unban artifact lands

(You)
A better fix would be actually decent land hate. Spreading Seas is not enough.

>>54689022

It's why I want GSZ to be unbanned. Grab that Gaddock Teeg and shut them down.

>>54689072

>Ban Mox Opal
>Unban Artifact Lands

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Welcome to Affinity now being a tier 0 deck.

>>54689157
>Spreading Seas is not enough.
Spreading Seas, Thalia2, Ghost Quarter and Blood Moon is enough.

>>54689233
>blood moon
>tron just hardcasts
>GQ
>shit without arbiter
Naw

>>54689233

Blood Moon does not stop the Artifact lands from being artifacts mate. Changing a permanent’s subtype has no effect on a permanent’s type, so giving a land the Mountain subtype will not affect its other types or supertypes.

>>54689072

>Ban

>SSG
No. Ad Nauseam is the hero of the format against Tron.
>Ban Mox Opal
Eh possibly, but it's not actually oppressive.
>Ensnaring Bridge
Literally every aggro deck has maindeck ways around this
>Tron lands
Debatable but ultimately no because there are decks that prey on Tron
>Eldrazi Temple
For what purpose? As much as I despise Eldrazi the deck hasn't been a powerhouse of the format for a long time.

>Unban
>Artifact lands
Boy you just did not ever play Mirrodin standard.
>Bloodbraid Elf
Debatable but i'd be willing to test it
>Punishing Fire
Nope. Never coming off without a ban to Grove of the Burnwillows.

>>54689264
What? I thought you meant in general modern needs more land hate. There is no way in hell that modern could survive unbanning the artifact lands, no matter how good you make the land hate.

>>54689302
>The deck hasn't been a powerhouse for a long time.
That guy is retarded but eldratron is t1 and that's just the most popular example of temple.dec

>>54689351

I mean Modern could use a Wasteland, I certainly don't think it would make the format unplayable since plenty of basics are still run in Modern just as fetchable targets for Path to Exile.

I'm just saying that Blood Moon is a poor hate card against the artifact lands in general because they are still counted as artifacts, the colour of mana they tap for is kind of irrelevant in an Affinity deck. The artifact lands should never ever ever come off the banlist

>>54689386

Eldrazi Tron is a whole different thing. I'm talking about the old Eldrazi Winter decks where the format was 60% Eldrazi minimum at least. I mean Eldrazi Tron is like 5% of the format which is reasonable.

>>54689475
If you know that then why would you imply that Eldrazi Temple isn't incredibly powerful?
Do you not know what double temple can do on T2?

>>54689503

Yeah I know what it can do, but lets be honest here there are so many decks that can do powerful shit on turn 2. I'm not saying the Eldrazi Temple isn't powerful, it's just not so powerful that it's completely fucking over the entire format. What they do right now is hardly game breaking to the format. I mean I can certainly vomit out like many Elves on turn 2 or a bajillion things in Affinity on turn 1.

>>54689475
Then just say that instead of using vague terms next time.

>>54689592

What was vague about it? I said Eldrazi decks aren't a powerhouse of the format as they were before and that's the truth. I mean if you wanted me to do a format breakdown in my post earlier than I guess I'm sorry for not going into more depth earlier.

>>54689564
I'd much prefer either of those things to facing down a T2 TKS into a T3 RS.

>>54689564
>it's just not so powerful that it's completely fucking over the entire format.
It literally is though, Etron is the driving force behind the warped metagame currently.

>>54689607

A turn 2 TKS can be dealt with, especially when you're also not facing 12 damage as well from three other Eldrazi Mimics on turn 2 when Eye of Ugin was also legal. I've taken 9 damage from TKS into RS only to make my opponent face 15-20 damage back on the crackback on turn 3 or so.

>>54689659

Pretty sure the warped metagame is around Death's Shadow decks right now, not around Eldrazi Tron.

>>54689704
Death's Shadow isn't even remotely good in tournament play nor is it the top meta deck.
What the fuck are you smoking?

>>54689704
DS's natural predators are kept out of the format by Etron retard.

>>54689715

That's irrelevant when it's become the new "Jund" deck of the format.

>>54689721

No it hasn't. Fast wide decks that prey on DS decks like Affinity and Elves are still seeing play against formats of DS and ETron. Burn still has a huge metagame share overall too.

>>54689752
>Fast wide decks that prey on DS decks like Affinity and Elves
DS is prey to Midrange and Control senpai, Burn also isn't great against DS. The decks you mention can beat and have good matchups but they don't prey on the deck like Midrange/Control decks do. Coincidentally they both have absolute garbage Etron matchups which is why the popularity of the two decks is as high as it is right now.

>>54689730
That means literally nothing.

>>54689752
>like Affinity
Most shadow variants are favored vs Affinity G1

>>54689801

Yes it does, it means it's the deck of choice to take when you are in an unknown meta and want an equalish gameplan against most decks like traditional Jund did.

>>54689785

Burn is reasonable against DS decks. It's worse off against the Grixis list but better off against the Jund version.

Also I don't know what you've been smoking but Affinity and Elves do not have garbage Etron matchups game 1. That matchup is actually in those decks favor.

>>54689878
>Also I don't know what you've been smoking but Affinity and Elves do not have garbage Etron matchups game 1
I was talking about Midrange/Control if that wasn't obvious.

>>54689827

That's actually false, they're favored post board against Affinity but not G1.

>>54689891
Several primers state otherwise champ, I'd like your source on this one.

>>54689904
Primers don't necessarily make it true.
Why would any DS deck be favored against Affinity G1?

>>54689890

My mistake then, your sentence has a sort of run-on structure making it somewhat confusing.

>>54689904

The Affinity primer literally has a guy answering that the matchup against Grixis DS being somewhat favorable game 1 but otherwise it's close. Even the Grixis DS primer has it being highly favorable game 2 as opposed to game 1.

HURRR DURRR MILL IS BEST DECK HURR DURR TIER 2

>>54688931
Leyline doesn't turn off Mesmeric Orb. Nice try.

HURRR DURRR GDS IS BEST DECK HURR DURR GP VEGAS DOESN'T COUNT

Would Affinity without Mox Opal but with the Artifact lands be better? What about without Mox Opal and Cranial Plating

>>54690128
Artifact lands are definitely better than opal. Artifact lands over plating is hard to say, the deck would probably look very different and play cards with actual affinity again.

>>54690128
Plating is the best card in the deck, if it was gone Affinity would just be dead.

With Opal banned and Artifact lands unbanned I think the archetype might shift to a more traditional build with Thoughtcast and even Disciple of the Vault.

>tfw artifact lands turn shatterstorm into jokulhaups.
Please unban them.

>>54690128

Artifact lands pretty much made Affinity back in the day. Artifact lands may as well be Sol Rings when you are casting cards with actual Affinity keyword text on them.

>>54690202
>4 mana spell
Too slow :^)

>Don't ever see anyone whine about Eldrazi except this general

Why is this general filled with such bad players?

>>54690273

To be fair, I think it's perfectly fine to complain about Eldrazi when they almost single handedly ruined the format in Eldrazi Winter. You were either playing Eldrazi or going FAST with something else.

>>54690273
Reddits "spike" community is even worse. Currently they are bitching about Mono Red in Standard and Affinity and fucking Abzan CoCo in Modern.

>>54690354
>Abzan CoCo
Isn't Bant Counters Company the best version now?

>>54690354
>Affinity in Modern

But why?

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>>54690354
>Mono Red in Standard and Affinity and fucking Abzan CoCo in Modern

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>be me
>be a burnfag
>1st match against bant eldrazi
>going great i get him to 1 hp but he has a thought knot on board
>his turn 4
>the apsolute madman drops worship
>mfw

>>54690470
>worship
he deserved that win, don't even deny it

>>54683407
>Merfolk was my first Modern deck
>it's ranked even lower now

Should I just take it apart at this point?

>>54690973
Play Legacy Merfolk

>>54690973
The problem is there's a Legacy deck or two stomping around in Modern right now.

>>54691043
I don't think that's what's keeping Merfolk down.

>>54690983
Wouldn't that require Force of Wills though?

>>54691073
Yeah and TNN

>>54691074
Maybe I'll convert it one day. What all goes in a Legacy Merfolk deck? I haven't really seen any lists to get any ideas outside of a few videos.

>>54691073
>I don't think that's what's keeping Merfolk down
What, the fact that there's a deck slamming 1 mana 5/5s onto the board and playing 4 copies of Fatal Push while doing so?

>>54691117
What deck is doing this?

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>>54691132

>>54691099
Pretty much Modern with counterspells, TNN, Jitte in some lists, Copter weirdly enough, and Chalice. The land disruption isn't used (so no Spreading Seas).

>>54691163
>Chalice

anon I ain't made of money

>I say as I bought three revised dual lands for my EDH

For some reason I can't pull the trigger on Chalices.

>>54688279
That's not how diversity works.

All decks, but dredge runs at least 1 Mox Sapphire in Vintage, yet being the most popular card doesn't change the fact that it's ran in storm, mentor, control, MUD, oath, pyromancer, eldrazi, etc decks.

Legacy has much, much more rogue decks than Modern. I like Modern more, especially after SDT ban in Legacy, but the format has plenty of various decks.

>>54691132
Don't listen to that meme, death shadow isn't a problem for merfolk.

>>54689072
Simian is hardly worth a ban.

Unban bloodbraid though.

Can yall tell I play zoo lmfao

>>54686340
BLACKED

>>54691173
Probably because it and crucible are both prime reprint opportunities

>>54691173
>EDH

Good news, anon! I figured out your problem.

Why is burn so based?

>>54691757
m8 once I'm done building Modern decks I need something to throw my MTG money into and it sure as fuck ain't standard.

>>54691684
Yeah that's probably it. Meanwhile those Revised dual lands ain't getting reprinted so it's easier to justify (except underground sea fuck that shit)

>>54690470
when people in small events preside silver bullets i give em a tired look and continue on

>>54691364
>I played miracles and I'm here to talk about diversity

holy buddah just netdeck yourself already.

>>54691882
Burn is literally babies first modern deck.

>>54692344
I played fucking DDFT - it's dead now. If I played fucking Miracles, I'd still be playing.

>>54692417
just play DDLM and get fucking good

>>54692376
>Not elves
>Not "delver"
>Not Tron

I get that burn's plan would imply the players are less familiar with the meta but i think that just means you're not very familiar with the meta.

>>54692424
DDFT played Laboratory Maniac in main deck and was less susceptible to hate than pure maniac versions (which btw are almost non-existent and quite bad), I've had DDFT as a pet deck for years and years, it's not about getting good, it's about the fact that decks consistency dropped significantly after SDT ban, besides that I didn't like Legacy meta for last 3 years as it is.

>>54692459
What the fuck does the meta have to do with that? It's literally the first deck new players jump to in both modern and legacy.

>>54692459
Burn has been the "budget" newcomer option for nearly every format in magic's history.

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>>54687432

>>54686603
>tfw you dont know a good half of those cards
are they draft trash or just cards from another game?

>>54693211
That's a weird looking Thought-Knot Seer.

>>54691882
>fast
>T1 forever and always
>never will have to face a ban
Gee anon idk

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>>54687432
Don't worry anon, I know what you meant ;)

>>54693228
Draft dregs from SOI onwards.

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>>54691132
The one with "El goyfo" for poor fags

>>54690273
Note, people arent complaining about not being able to beat it. If they wanted to do that theyd just play Affinity or Burn. They're complaining about the constraints it places on the format and that its nut draw is among the best in Modern.

>>54692506
How would you improve the Legacy meta?

How do you guys take care of your illustrated sleeves? Last time I had some they were good for a few weeks then got real crispy and started peeling.

>>54693228

Most of it is Hour of Devastation and Elrich Moon (I keep it in a box with my Amonket Spinner, fight me!) I may just consider the four or five banned cards and see if I can adjust the thing to standard, what's the best way to test a deck out on the computer?

Reminder that Fatal Push is the problem right now.

>>54695666
Bitches like you are the problem

>>54689022
I have never drawn a game on lantern due to time. The only times that it even comes close are due to slow play from my opponent.

I want something that feels different from affinity and im trying to decide between grixis ds and bant eldrazi, what do you guys think?

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>>54690470

>Worship

>laughing_mardufags.jpg

>>54690128


> no banlist affinity

my fucking dick

All right /tg/, it's Friday and I need to decide what deck to play. Kinda want to go tryhard for those sick Ralliers, but I've been feeling meh about going full effort

>Burn
>Ad Naus
>Vizier Company
>Living End
>BW Eldrazi
>Cheerios
>Eggs
>UW Monument
>Revolt Zoo
>Skred
>Ponza
>Kiki-Chord

What do I play tonight?

How does elves stand up in the current meta?
>death and taxes
>death shadow
>tron

>>54697010
Pretty good right now. Going wide is good against Shadow, Death and Taxes has a hard time dealing with a bunch of creatures. Tron can fuck you over with an early Chalice, and All is Dust / Ballista are awful to play against, but the matchup is a tossup really.

>>54683993
Eldrazi moon. Emrakul is love Memerakel is Emrakul. Emrakul.

>>54697079
Am I correct in thinking the ballista combo on turn 2 is extremely unlikely? Thinking about abzan elves eventually for solemnity but for now I want to elf ball people turn 3-4.

>>54697172
What Ballilsta combo are you talking about? If you mean Devoted Druid + Vizier + Ballista, that's impossible on turn 2 unless you're going super deep for the SSG/Hall build, which is awful.

>>54696997
Burn

>>54695937
Don't talk to Satan like that.

>>54696133
I wouldn't recommend buying into anything with a B&R announcement this month. That being said, GDS is certainly novel, but Bant Eldrazi can have some real fun abusing Displacer.

>>54693875
Sorry for extremely late reply, if you're still around that is.

Right now I wouldn't mess with Legacy meta, as it's still adjusting to the SDT ban, new (like BUG standstill) and old (Dead Guy Ale) decks are emerging, thus meta isn't clear.

Personally, even as a mostly-storm player myself, I dislike that storm is so prevalent in the meta and I suspect it will only keep rising in popularity.

Before SDT ban, I would've simply banned Terminus. That would've gotten rid of Miracles, allowed for different Blue based control decks to emerge again, like in past, and wouldn't have killed every other deck that cared for SDT.

The reason why I mostly disliked Legacy meta, was however things like dark depths and show and tell becoming common-place - the decks aren't problematic at all, I simply don't like those decks, as they're neither hard to play in any manner of fashion, nor have that much more interaction than storm-based decks, which at least requires pilot to think.

>>54683478
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16408&d=301336&f=MO

Just play this list dude. Add a tamiyo, field researcher to the sideboard though and cut excavator. Thank me later

>>54698382
Would it be fine to just start buying the fetches and shocks?

>>54684320
I go for and hold my deck and ask my opponent if they mind if I short cut. Then I just do what I want because they're usually confused so I explain what I need to explain. People usually don't know what knight does though. So it's awkward. I've had people think she gets counters, finds forests or plains, counts both graveyards, etc.

But to answer your question, I just pull my lands mostly to the front of the deck, tap and untap knight without shuffling in between. I usually get an extra fetch and save a land in the deck to tap down a random flashed in blocker or manland like collonade. The combo is my least favorite part of the deck but at proven itself more than enough at this point after playing the deck all summer.

If stoneforge gets unbanned I think I'll be cutting the combo since equips + retreat will dilute company hits too much. But I'd love to get to play both.

>>54698652
Sure, but GDS and Bant don't overlap much. Playsets of all lands does let you hop decks easy, though it isn't cheap.

>>54694959
Xmage

>Going to GP Birmingham
>Only paid £60 for the main event when you can drop £80 for that, the playmat, and a sealed last chance event for 2 byes
>Now it turns out there's a £15 Modern last chance on the day
>You get the mat too
Well that worked out amazing for me.

>>54697010

>How does elves stand up in the current meta?
Depends on what colour variations you are playing. Mono G, GB, GW or Abzan. Apparently Sultai Elves is also in its infancy too.
>death and taxes
Good matchup. Their only removal is Path so if you're on GB, you can just go wide and slam down Shaman of the Packs. GW and Mono G you can just beat through with an Ezuri activation.
>Death shadow
Good matchup. Against Grixis Death's Shadow you do pretty good. Go wide and fast. Against Jund's Death's Shadow is a bit more trickier because they have more removal against you, treat it like you would a traditional Jund matchup. No time for going wide, if you have to drop a Shaman of the Pack turn 2 then do it. It will pressure them if left unchecked through beats alone. If you're on CoCo/Chord in the maindeck I'd run Lead the Stampede in the sideboard and bring it in. DSJ isn't going to do much against you paying 3 mana to draw 5 since they're always just 1 for 1 against you(outside of Kolaghan's Command) and they're only drawing 1 card at a time since most have cut Dark Confidants. You do not need to go super wide here and play around sweepers/pulse, Scavenging Ooze is good here and they can't do shit to Chameleon Colossus. If you're on an Abzan colour list you can bring in an Athreos God of passage for some super spicy meme tech.
>Tron
Depending on the variant it can range from bad to reasonable. If there's no R in the list then you're good as the other variants of Tron don't hurt you as much. Watch out for Ugin and go fast. Sideboard you should play hand removal if on GB, if you're White play a Selfless Spirit for O-Stone, if they resolve Ugin then you're fucked. Phyrexian Revoker from the side will buy you some time but not for long.

The one matchup you don't ever want to see is Smallpox decks. They practically 3 for 1 you if they cast Smallpox turn 2.

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Why is the modern banlist so inconsistent?

>Jace, The Mind Sculptor? That's too powerful!
>Turn 3 Karn? That seems pretty fair

>>54701369
it's because Jace's price would jump to $150+ and they know that

>>54701400
I think he'd just to 100 pretty easily but they could always just reprint him more

I don't think price should be a reason a card stays banned

>>54701369

They did testing on Modern Nexus with JTMS in a Jeskai Nahiri control deck and it pushed the winrate against certain matchups from like 40-50% range to 60% range. The matchup against Affinity apparently pushed to 70%.

>>54701052
>sultai elves
List plz

>>54701848

There isn't an established results proven list yet, it's mostly for being able to play Coiling Oracle and also allowing you to swing for 10 damage in the air with the new UG Nissa.

How do I deal with variance as Gx Tron? Over two events I went 4-0 against four bad matchups and then the next event went 0-3 against two bad matchups and the mirror, mulling to five twice and then either not seeing tron or not seeing threats several more games.

>>54701928
Oracle over visionary seems like a nice little upgrade at the cost of the manabase. I know Legacy Sultai Elves got some tech with Leovold (why the hell is this guy an elf on top of everything he does)

You guys think Little Kid Abzan works right now? With all the Lilis and discard effects running around GW seems to be in an amazing spot (since their threats are so redundant and powerful) and Black is just a powerful color

>>54703009
you just have to accept that sometimes you will get fucked because ultimately you can't avoid variance

>>54688267
>Sideboarding fucking emrakul to counter milll

You need serious help

>>54704522
Traditional BGx is at an all-time low, and Shadow only plays a couple Lili, more often Last Hope or only from the board. The deck also seems bad against Eldrazi Tron and Affinity, plus a tossup against burn. So 0 of the top 4 decks are good matchups

Anyone else going to the Syracuse Open tomorrow?

>>54693875
Not the parent, but it's quite simple actually:
>unban top
>ban counterbalance and/or terminus(most likely terminus really)

Other than that the meta is super healthy in Legacy; aggro, control, combo each hold about a third each and each have multiple decks above 4% share.

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HOW THE FUCK DO I DEAL WITH COUNTERSPELLS AND REMOVAL WITH AFFINITY
I HAVEN'T WON A SINGLE GAME ALL FUCKING WEEK
FFFFFFFFFUCK

>>54705764
>counterspells

Who the fuck plays counterspells in modern besides like a couple in shadow?

>removal

Affinity can fight though that shit

>build and play red deck wins
>don't win

what the FUCK guys did i get memed by false advertisement?

>>54705788
You won as long as you had fun.

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>>54705782
Every deck I've faced this week has run a shit ton of counterspells (Condescend & Ceremonious Rejection seem to be most common) and bullshit removal.
Affinity can't fight through that shit when my opponent's are shooting Repeals, Hurkyl's Recalls, Abrupt Decays, Cyclonic Rifts, Anger of the Gods, Kolaghan's Commands, Electrolyzes and Oblivion Stones all over my face like cum.
I've got Chalice to take care of the cheap stuff but everything else fucks me like my father before bedtime.

>>54705915
Your meta sounds crazy.

>>54705952
It's like this online too. I've spent a few hours on Cockatrice every day this week and I have yet to play a deck that isn't loaded with those kind of cards, so I can't even get any proper practice in.
I need to find a new LGS.

>>54705999
>I need to find a new LGS.
You just need to adapt and git gud. You sound like the chick who left our LGS because one guy who has been playing for many many years kept going first on FNM.

>>54705952
Sounds like a normal meta with a Blue Tron player

>>54706145
Yeah, basically this. Affinity is one of the best for a reason, just get good with it

>>54706145
>>54706171
How do you git gud in a control heavy meta with a deck that has no protection from it

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>>54706704
Play Urza's Towers, it was the spiciest tech at GP Van.

>>54706796
wat

>>54706805
game 1
t1 tower
t2 scoop coz you lose
game 2 you bamboozled your opponent into thinking you're playing tron

>>54706854
But what about G3?

>>54706863
you lose game 2.

>>54706872
But they sided in the wrong stuff.

Old player just coming back to the game, I always wanted to play Jund but it seems to have been dislodged from the format by a Death's Shadow variant.
Is traditional Jund still viable, and what's another similar midrange deck to look into barring Death's Shadow?

>>54706890
Abzan is better than Jund right now if you want to play a more traditional BGx.

>>54706920
Aye, that's basically what I'm interested in. Doesn't specifically have to be BGx, but I enjoy fair decks that look to win with value, that have a lot of options.
I'll take a look at Abzan, much appreciated.

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>>54706796
>>54706854
What if we have the rest of the tron pieces in the side along with maps & karns?

>>54706992
have the tron pieces mainboard desu, but put the karns mostly in the side and maps split

>>54690973
Merfolk doesnt really have a problem. Its only so low because it doesn't get played much on MTGO. Check tournament results and it shows up and even won a few events recently. It shits on GDS and etron

3:09 AM: urzastoaster: so what if Bogles beat Death's Shadow
3:09 AM: urzastoaster: not a big deal
3:09 AM: Boltsnapbolt: why do you keep bringing that back up?
3:09 AM: Boltsnapbolt: i dont get it
3:09 AM: urzastoaster: well
3:09 AM: urzastoaster: it seem to be the reason you are angry
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: " well im urzastoaster and im autistic so i have to just repeat things over and over unti lsomeone comes and wipes my ass and drool for me"
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: lol
3:10 AM: urzastoaster: don't you think I deserve credit for playing tier 4 against tier 1?
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: no you dont
3:10 AM: urzastoaster: shouldn't you congratulate me?
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: noone deserves credit for any deck choice
3:10 AM: urzastoaster: for winning?
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: lol
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: nah
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: youre not worthy of praise
3:10 AM: urzastoaster: why
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: or the oxygen you unfortunately consume and lessen for everyone else around you.
3:10 AM: Deuce1776: people getting mad about games they played on xmage
3:10 AM: Boltsnapbolt: youd be alot better hanging in a closet somewhere.
3:12 AM: urzastoaster: dude
3:12 AM: Boltsnapbolt: people like you asre why the internet is fucking annoying
3:13 AM: urzastoaster: all I did was win
3:13 AM: urzastoaster: why you hating
3:13 AM: Boltsnapbolt: like please just fucking kill yourseldf
3:13 AM: Boltsnapbolt: kill yourself
3:13 AM: Boltsnapbolt: please fucking go end it.
3:13 AM: urzastoaster: whaaaa
3:13 AM: urzastoaster: its just a game
3:13 AM: urzastoaster: cmon
3:13 AM: SudsMcDuff: TLDRTLD
3:14 AM: Boltsnapbolt: wish there wernt laws against beating people like urzastoaster to death
3:14 AM: Boltsnapbolt: wht a cuck piece of shit

3:23 AM: Boltsnapbolt: nothing to do with magic, you just do nothing but be a toxic pretentious antagonistic little prick behind a keyboard
3:23 AM: Boltsnapbolt: someone should teach you a lesson, some fucking manners and respect.
3:23 AM: Boltsnapbolt: because your parents didnt, clearly.
3:23 AM: Boltsnapbolt: fucking loser.

>>54707368
>>54707379

Warning: if you beat people on Xmage you will deal with this

>>54707400
Both of you sound autistic

>>54701772

jtms never struck me as a card that would matchup well against affinity

>>54707438
keep telling yourself that nerd

>>54707238
Speaking of Merfolk, what are the chances the Company splash is decent when Ixalan comes out? I've tried UG Merfolk and it's fun but mono blue is always just better

>>54707368
>>54707379

both of you sound horrible

>>54704802
It doesn't even help, because the new Dank Mill decks run Surgicals in the side and man deck Crypt Incursion.

>>54707737

Epic I like it

>>54707717
None. You'll never get a card of the quality to make the green splash better. There are just way too many UU creatures that make up the back bone of merfolk. That and you know wizards is too shit to print a good merfolk in a modern legal set

>>54707807
Well we are getting Kira-lite
http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/kopalawardenofwaves.html

Shaper's sanctuary actually seems really stupid good in this crazy removal heavy format, especially considering the effect stacks. Lots of fish decks play copter now so I see no real drawback to playing this.
http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/shaperssanctuary.html

and another fish who TOTALLY isn't a stupid win-more card
http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/tiehanavoiceofthunder.html

>>54707868
I see no reason to take any of those cards over what is in merfolk now. Although a U/G standard merfolk deck might be neat

>>54707807
>>54707868
>>54707927
stop talking to yourself

Shouldn't you be talking about cucks on YouTube.

>>54688900
what card ?

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>>54708071
fuck

>>54708104
Do you feel stupid now?

>>54705915
In: 2 Indomitable Archangel
Out: 2 Master of Etherium
In: 4 Lightning Greaves
Out: 2 Steel Overseer, 1 Signal Pest, 1 Vault Skirge
In: Rebuff the Wicked
Out: Galvanic Blast

Get rid of easy targets & Blast (which is junk against control anyways) for all around protection. Just some ideas off the top of my head.

08244
>4 mana do nothing
>2 mana do nothing
>1 mana do almost nothing
They even shut down Ravager
Just play more etched champ and realize control matchups are fine

>>54708270
Etched Champion isn't worth much on its own as a 2/2. Archangel and Greaves could theoretically give every other creature Etched Champion's ability vs control. Also makes sure Cranial Plating can resolve.
Like I said, just an idea but it sounds a lot better than getting hit by removal every turn.

>>54707400
He wasn't angry because you won her was angry because you were screeching about wanting a bunch of strangers to pat you on the back for winning at a game.

Thoughts and card suggestions for a very very fast all in mono red goblins deck?

Preliminary card list is something like this:

###Creature
4x Goblin Bushwhacker
4x Reckless Bushwhacker
4x Warren Instigator
4x Siege-Gang Commander
4x Goblin Guide
4x Simian Spirit Guide

###Instant

4x Manamorphose
4x Pyretic Ritual
4x Lightning Bolt

###Sorcery

4x Empty the Warrens
4x Goblin Grenade

###Land

4x Contested War Zone
12x Mountain

>>54708344
Pretty sure you've never played a match with Affinity in your life. Archangel rots in your hand because it's 4 mana, and if you do cast it, you have a 4/4 for 4 that fucks over your plating and Ravager counters. Rebuff is just worse Spell Pierce or Stubby D in the deck. Greaves has the same shroud problem as Archangel, and the last thing you want to do when facing removal-heavy decks is play more cards that do nothing on their own. And none of those help plating resolve, so I'm not sure what you mean by that.

With Ravager, Champion and Plating, the deck is great against targeted removal anyway. I'll maintain that anon should just get better at playing the deck, it's one of the hardest to play in the format.

As far as reasonable tech options go, put the full set of etched champion somewhere in the side, play an Aether-Grid or two, and if you want to go deeper a couple spellskite or welding jar as protection.

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>>54708244
>Indomitable Archangel and Lightning Greaves
>against Control
Meanwhile UWx runs 4 of this and a couple Blessed Alliance

>>54703483

Well Legacy Elves will sometimes splash the Leovold because they can cast him off Caverns and also fetch him with GSZ pretty easily. No such thing for Modern Elves, old UG/x Elves lists were basically all in on the Cloudstone combo with Beck//Call and Intruder Alarm sometimes and whatnot but that version was very easily disrupted and doesn't really get good results. The Sultai Elves in testing can ramp a bit faster thanks to the Oracle, the one advantage Sultai lists have so far in testing is that Unified Will is almost an unconditional counterspell in the deck.

You're right in that the manabase used to be tricky but this was before the enemy fastlands printed from Kaladesh. It has now become more reasonable.

>>54705764

Thoughtseize? Spell Pierce? Dispel?

>>54707604

In the Affinity lists they were testing with against JTMS it was running Blood Moon. If it landed Blood Moon it would usually also just vomit fast and go. if Affinity has the nuts hand, you lose regardless. But if they're slightly slow just a tad bit they just win through sheer card draw and the fact that once you wipe the board you can easily fateseal an Affinity player since they're always usually hellbent. Turns out the key thing in the matchup was to always be able to fetch for a basic plains so Nahiri could come down and clear the Blood Moon away and then Jace comes in with infinite brainstorms and fateseals.

>>54708361
He was angry because he lost 2-0 and because he was on the spectrum.

>>54705898
Fucking hell thank you finally someone understands how card games work

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>>54708385
ALL IN GOBLINS MY MOTHER FUCKING NIGGA

RUN HAZE OF RAGE

>>54701426
>they could always just reprint him more
Well they can't do it in a standard set because he's currently banned in standard. Unless they really want to go back on that and unleash something stupid.

Will Glimpse the Unthinkable be in the next modern masters? Not that I'm gonna build mill or anything, just wondering.

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pffthahaha, 5-0

>>54710109
As if we needed more proof that 5-0 in a modern league means fucking nothing

>>54710109
I guess the "make him sideboard for dredge shenanigans and transform into actual mill instead" plan must have worked.

>>54710109
>running silumgars command
How to tell when a deck is bad

>>54710109
Second for why silumgars? I'm sure there is a better <5 CMC solution better than that card.

>>54707368

>12yearoldsplaymagic.png

>/tg/ still refuses to admit mill can be competitively viable
I don't get it. Why is there such a grudge against mill?

>>54701369
Every blue deck would play Jace.

>>54712134
Merfolk and Storm wouldnt.

>>54711676

Mill is for hipsters. The second mill becomes competitively viable, all the spikes will start playing it, and then all the people who like Mill because it's "le quirky and unique XD" will hate it.

>>54712134
>gds
>merfolk
>storm
Hmm I don't see them running jace, anon.

>>54708456
Spell Pierce is useless against control and U Tron since they almost always have open mana to pay the cost with.
Archangel would go in for Master of Etherium which is prime removal bait. It costs 1 more but you should be trying to have T1 Metalcraft as it is so you can still get it out T2.
Ravager is bad if there are no creatures to transfer counters to, which would be more than possible in a removal heavy matchup. Plating, again, is not great against control because it can be easily countered and is still useless if there are no creatures to put it on.

This mono black tron player...

>>54712764
Right, Pierce isn't great but I'd much rather have it than Rebuff. Also, Master being a removal target is no reason to take it out. Archangel is just as much of a removal target, while being much less powerful and also slower.

The part where you lose me the most is saying that Plating is weak against control. Sure, you need a creature to equip, but it turns every single creature or manland into a real threat. If they manage to kill every guy down to the last ornithopter and nexus, then sometimes they deserve that win, you can't get them all. Never, EVER argue for taking plating out. It's the most powerful card in the deck by a decent margin, only Ravager is anywhere close.

>>54712764

Against U Tron you just go fast with Affinity. Can't stop. Won't stop.

I actually play both of these decks and you just want to not walk into Aetherize by swinging with a full board. They usually bring in Aetherize from the sideboard so just equip cranial to one guy and swing with one or two dudes only.You want Spell Pierce for these times when they're strapped for 4 mana facing lethal and they have to cast Aetherize, if you don't like Spell Pierce then try Stubborn Denial. Thoughtseize to rip apart hand is good. U Tron's only spot removal against your deck is Repeal and Spatial Contortion.

Shitty landfall naya zoo player here

I went to an fnm recently and never sideboarded and ended up only losing one game in three rounds. These games were mostly close, I only won out on damage because of my reliance ones atarkas command. And by close, I mean I was dead either next turn 1/2 of the games if I didn't close it out. I realized some of my deck's weaknesses come from mass removal and inability to deal with big things like tron walkers and wurmcoils.

However, it was nerve wracking not being able to side versus some harder match ups. My sideboard felt super weak, and the only change I did was moving in an extra path to exile, forcing me to make room for the whole playset main boarded.

Do I just Google how to learn to sideboard or are there any really solid cards for multiple match ups?

>>54714479

You just need cards for the common matchups in your meta or for particular type of strategies.(e.g Rule of Law against combo decks, Kataki for Affinity and Lantern)

>>54712764
>Plating, again, is not great against control because it can be easily countered
By what? 1-2 of Spell Snare? Ceremonious Rejection? Every other counterspell is too slow most of the time, and most opponents will side them out for removal. Cryptic will stay in because it can buy time against a board full of angry robots, and it's possible he'll bounce the Plating and counter it on the backswing, but if he's got the time and mana to do that you've already lost.

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>>54707400
Im like 1000000000000-5 on xmage and ive never dealt with this

>>54707927
I think Kopala might be better than Kira in some cases since it actually affects Abrupt Decay. It also synergizes with lords. I'd say that you could run a mix of them to try and stack their effects.

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>>54713964

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a memelist a day keeps the doctor at bay

>>54716351
I don't think you understand how bad that player was.

>>54716407
probably not as bad as me fampai given the benefit of the doubt

what was his commander?

So, I want to make a super janky modern curse deck, using Bitterheart Witch and Curse of Misfortunes to put Overwhelming Splendor into play (Followed by Death's Hold and Curse of Thirst).

What would you think the best route to go with this is?

Mono black control? Blue black control to protect the curses and stay alive? Manarocks to ramp into 5 mana, or maybe mana dorks in BG?

Currently I just threw together an orzhov list with paths, fatal pushes, lingering souls etc to just stay alive.

If you were to make a shitty FNM curse brew, how would you do it?

>>54716486
His commander was not using his oblivion stone when the opponents liliana of the veil could ult next turn. His partner commander was trying to thoughtseize his opponent, only to try to take his oblivion stone and put it into the graveyard instead of anything in his opponents hand.

>>54716526
>not synchro-summoning your oblivion stones with redundant thoughtseizes
gotta give the guy some credit, he was playing to his outs

>>54716351

For_what_purpose.png

I mean this could be adapted into a UB Tron list with some modicum of success but Mono black?

what do you think of r/Spikes

>>54717111
>reddit

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>>54716925
>UTron with black splash via River of Tears for Dismember and EE on 2, discard and removal.
But anon that's actually a good deck.

The purpose of the Modern format (and Black Tron) is to play flavor-dense shitpiles and post memes. Truly a patrician's format.

>>54717111
>>54717162
reddit is ass to have any discussion but can be useful as a resource

>>54717111
I've never been there, but one of my normie friends who plays magic says it's full of shitters.

>>54717111

Reddit's MTG discussion is generally quite sheepish for the most part. There's a few good things there but sometimes all they're just doing is relinking/reposting articles on other sites that you can read normally.

>>54717181

>The purpose of the Modern format (and Black Tron) is to play flavor-dense shitpiles and post memes. Truly a patrician's format.

Yeah alright you got me there. I play a bunch of jank shit myself.

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>>54717351
it is the nectar of life

to meme is to be

>>54717111
seems to be 90% standard discussion

>>54711676
Because it's literally "babby's first brew" every retard thinks about making a mill deck and they usually end up bringing it here to ask about it. And that's not even touching on how trivial it is to hars counter the deck, some decks do it right now without even trying.

Mill is just a shittier burn and until they make a card which exiles milled cards before they hit the yard it will always be a shittier burn.

>Want to talk in SCG chat
>Stilll permabanned for my """emma""" comment like a month ago
Wow they really don't unban people do they.

>>54711676
The reason why mill is bad in any kind of format has been explained in very simple terms many, many years ago: "Mill is a worse burn, with burn you need to deal 20 points of damage at most, with mill you need to deal 53 points of "damage" or more".

That is the basis to why mill cannot be viable, besides the fact that mill is extremely easy to counter.

Unless you're doing grindstone+painter, in which case it's not even a mill deck, it's just a combo deck that wins through mill, then there is no possible way a mill can be competitive, no matter how you look at it.

It's design fault, not some kind of personal vendetta of anyone against the "archetype".

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>>54717703
whos emma

>>54717723
I feel like Mill could be much better if played like a control deck that just dig for the most powerful mill cards rather than filling the deck with cards like Tome Scour that only do 5 cards.

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>coming back to modern after playing legacy
>mfw the only cantrip i get is fucking serum visions

I understand why people are so butthurt about it now. The card just fucking sucks in comparison

anyway I want to play something on the cheap side, I have CoCo but no Hierarchs, should I just play elves or is there something dumb and fun I can do instead?

>>54717624
>What is leyline of the void

Hey it's even free too

>>54717770
The problem with that is that to mill out a deck and to remove possible counters you're occupying too many slots. Control decks want to occupy as least slots for win-cons as possible, this is why traditionally, control decks ran a single win-con for a very long time.

You'd simply be playing a weaker control deck. It really is a design fault, if you don't believe me, just put some jank mill cards and 4 glimpses in a 40 card deck and play it against whatever else with 40 cards, the decks speed rises up close to burn, yet even then you'll lack consistency.

Trying to make mill viable is like trying to make life-gain viable, some strategies are simply terrible because of how the game is designed, sadly.

>>54717826
>Magic
>Cheap

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>>54718010
compared to legacy, modern is absolutely cheap

>>54718035
A Miracles list running no Tundras made top 8 at an SCG event once. That deck was absolutely cheaper than a LOT of Modern decks. BR Reanimator is quite good and very cheap too. Some Dredge decks cost less than a Goyf.

>>54717723
Both burn and mill are shit.. there are to many hate cards against them

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>>54718164
>once
>this one deck
>this variant of a deck

>>54718235
>Moving the goalposts

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>>54718281
>if 2 variants of a deck and 1 deck is less expensive than some modern decks, it means the entire field of legacy costs less

>>54683314
I just got a play-set of lightning bolt for $2 AMA

does mono blue tron suck right now

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>>54718782
if they arent alpha i dont really care

>>54717873
>let me just use a leyline as a core strategy in what is supposed to be this new tiered deck

I figured my implication of "playable" was obvious enough