Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>54680244
It shall inspire not detract

Never ever played Bolter Bitches.

What would be a good 700pt force?

Many thanks,
Soon-to-be-a-poor-fag.

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>>54680391

>>54680364
No chart anon mathhammer? Shame.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit#gid=1771731034

>>54680398
Three boxes of Intercessors

Reposting to help anon
>>54680150 #
I'm a little unclear, are the marines and everything else in a seperate detachment? If not, change it so they are. Missle launchers are better choices for tacs than plasmacannons are.
Lascannon+flamer and CCW isn't a good choice, if you want the flamer make it a dread designed for getting up close and personal, if you want the lascannon try a mortis.
I'd recommend keeping the vangaurd all the same weapon, much like one does with devs. Dedicate them to certian role and use them for that, be it mulching hordes, shredding MEQ and termies or wrecking vehicles.
Looking at it a bit more, what are the infantry squads supposed to do? Plasma and HB is an odd combo. Also, what chapter are youusing for your marines?

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>>54680411

>>54680418
This, then put female heads on them.

>>54677126
Based on the machinery I want to say Mechanicus related, based on the skull I want to say Guard.

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>>54680423

>>54680398
You'll want three x 10 sister of battle groups with a mix of heavy bolters and flamers.
Imaginifier for extra acts of faith.
Canonness
Seraphim
Hospitilar
Rhino transports

>>54680448
Its squats

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Reposting for Help:

Could you anons help a Blood Angels and Ork player out? I'm building orks right now, but I really want to start guard soon too. I've always loved the Catachans, and already have a marbo (for when he gets his rules back...again!). My question is: Where would I start? I definitely want Straken and Harker, but how many infantry squads, tanks, etc. should I get? I've been told fluffwise they don't always have tanks and conscripts, so I could ally in some Cadians (e.g. pask) for that, and I might even do some Death Korp for a cool mixed regiment. What's the best place to begin?

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>>54680449

>>54680456
its necromunda

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>>54680465

>>54680466
Necromunda squat gang confirmed??

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>>54680480

Hey guys maybe you can help me with this question:

Why does the imperium separate it's different military entities so extremely? Wouldn't it be more efficient and effective to have Guard infantry and artillery, space marine as heavy infantry, and mechanicus robos and tanks all working together in a mixed force in most situations?

Wouldn't drawing such definite lines between them lead to infighting and such?

I'm no expert but in most real life military situations you at least have ground forces and air forces working together. Why would the imperium not follow this?

I know there are of course situations when the forces work together, but why is this not standard practice?

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>>54680496

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>>54680506

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>>54680496
>codexes

>>54680505
Is this bait, or are you looking for an actual answer?

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>>54680522

>>54680480
That picture of the crud smiling upsets me.

>>54680398
why bother? squats will be out before the year ends

>>54680505

Astartes are more or less a separate entity from the rest of the modern Imperium. They answer to the Emperor, not the High Lords of Terra and protect the Imperium out of a sense of duty, not because they're told to. They have to answer to the Inquisition but for the most part they do what they want.

How much Forge World is too much?

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>>54680506
>>54680496
They advertise them as opposing forces, but don't provide a start collecting Grey Knights.

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>>54680534

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>>54680557
>>54680556
They do, but it's sold under the name 'START COLLECTING! DEATHWATCH

>>54680526
The britbongs at GW also use Dice for both plural and singular

>>54680496
>32 Data Sheets
>GK Index is 28
>1 for GM in NDK
>1? for Chaplain?
>2??

>>54680528

I'm looking for an answer.

I nor any of my friends play imperium. So I am not well versed in their lore. But I would think that at least the mechanicus would at least have some of its guys around to keep an eye on the tanks that the imperial guard use right?

>>54680150
Okay, let's try this the nice way. If you are a collector and want to start playing, DO NOT start at 2000 points. 2000 points is a game size usually used for tournaments and everyone gets competitive at that size and your list clearly isn't. Push your army down to 1000 points and get to grips with the game. Then see for yourself which units work and which don't. Get more of the stuff that works and leave the stuff that doesn't at home. For now, if you only have the stuff you wrote up, try:

Battalion Detachment:

>Captain w/Power Sword, Combi-plasma 93
>Librarian w/Storm Bolter, Force Stave 109
>Company Commander w/Power Sword 34

>x5 Tactical Marines w/Plasma Cannon 86
>x5 Tactical Marines w/Plasma Cannon 86
>Infantry Squad w/Plasma Gun, Heavy Bolter 55
>Infantry Squad w/Plasma Gun, Heavy Bolter 55

>Dreadnought w/Twin Lascannon, Dreadnought CCW + Heavy Flamer 177
>x5 Vanguard Veterans w/Relic Blade, x2 Thunder Hammer, x2 Storm Shield 153

>Onager Dunecrawler w/Icarus Array, Cognis Heavy Stubber 138

= 986 points

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>>54680572

>>54680572
Oh my god this picture makes the old molds look like garbage.

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>>54680600

>>54680584
>Grandmaster in Baby Carrier
>Rhino
>Razorback
>Land Raider

>>54680505
Because the Horus Heresy happened you idiot. The separation of human forces from marines and the marine legions into chapters is a direct result of that. This is what happens when you get idiots who don't care about space marines trying to get into 40k. It's like trying to learn about modern military and politics but you're not white so you don't care about whites people so why bother learning about the US or UK amirite?

Horus Heresy. Guilliman. Codex Astartes. Look them up, faglord.

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>>54680618

>>54680414
Thank you! Was wondering where that went.

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>>54680640

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>>54680666

>>54680612
Seriously.
>BL: Awesome DV Chosen
>TS: Awesome new Rubric Marine
>DG: The second-best Plague Marine sculpt
>The Rest: 6 Shades of Manlet

>>54680553
My army has no models that are 100% plastic, but the only FW units in it are the HQ.

>mfw some 4shitter says my army is p2w and illegal despite just being a bunch of fancy marinelets and armored Rhinos/Land Raiders and my HQ can't be used as a captain

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>>54680676

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>>54680698

Asking again; tips for necron players dealing with Sisters? Assume Celestine is involved

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>>54680722

>>54680698
That's a nice scheme.

>>54680364
Just to say that this image must be the Adeptus Arbites. We are getting Necromunda next week, the rumour lasgun is a short stocky version which the Adeptus Arbites use.

Lastly, the Imperium eagle as no eyes to represent blind justice, this version seen on the Adeptus Arbites as well.

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>>54680747
>>54680753
trhis

>>54680732
Wraiths

>>54680637
>GM in NDK is that
>28 in GK index includes all SM shared units (aka Rhinos, Razorbacks, Land Raiders)

All of what you listed is accounted for.
Maybe a GK Lieutenant to provide reroll Wounds like what CSM got?

>>54680505
>Why does the imperium separate it's different military entities so extremely? Wouldn't it be more efficient and effective to have Guard infantry and artillery, space marine as heavy infantry, and mechanicus robos and tanks all working together in a mixed force in most situations?
There are a variety of factors that lead to why the imperium divides it's forces as they do.
Firstly, you're misunderstanding of factions roles is off. Marines are not heavy infantry, they're elite shock troops, the scalpel to the IG's hammer. The Ad mech are actually an entirely seperate part of the imperium, and are very much independent.
Secondly, the IG do combine various forces. The AM for the regular gaurd, the SP for the commisars and scions, the Ad mech for the tech priests, the ministorum for priest priests. Marines are not included as part because marines are both rare and aren't supposed to be part of a war for very long, they move about a lot. In the cases where everyone will be fighting alongside eachother for a long time, a crusade is formed and a warmaster appointed, and it becomes more like what you described.
Thirdly, after the horus heresy (you know what that is, right?) guilliman was intent on decentralizing the imperium to avoid another heresy. This is why chapters exist, and why these branches are separate, so that should a segmentum commander or chaptermasters decide to rebel, they don't take massive parts of the imperium with them.

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>>54680766

>>54680398
-Canoness
-2 Immolators
-4 Melta girls and a Superior
-4 Flamer girls and a Superior
-10 Battle Sister squad. The default setup is fine but consider getting a 2nd Storm Bolter to swap in for the flamer. You could then use the flamer for the above squad. Also pick up some extra Bolter sisters so you can use the Imagifier as the proper character.
-Seraphim Squad
-4 Heavy Bolter Rets and a Superior

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>>54680753
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>>54680789

>>54680795
Animefag here, Tau player. I was confident CSM would get rules on par with SM. Good for you guys!

>>54680377
>>54680394
>>54680421

Thanks dudes, I'll rework it

I had the small tac squads + librarian so I could furnish a full Space Marine Battatlion detachment so I could use the Space Marine strategems and tactics, though I'm Imperial Fists and maybe that's not worth it.

For the Vanguards, I wanted to smash tanks and stuff with them with thunder hammers but another anon said I should take a relic blade on the sergeant, though I'm still not quite sure if that is a good trade off. I left some thunder hammers off the end since I figured I'd take some casualties from overwatch, but I guess that's silly thinking.

I used Plas/Heavy bolter because I figured the to hit rerolls from the commander would help them from killing themselves, and the heavy bolter because I have the models, same with with my company commander has a power sword.

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Is the limited edition anniversary captain out yet?

Would you buy him from e-bay? Store I know has their anniversary on 9th of September so may pick one up and resell it, if its worth it.

>>54680638

God I fucking hate you guys sometimes

>>54680600
>Dark Mechanicum named

Whoa, that's been a fucking long time since I didn't see GW aknowledge the Martian traitors. Some FW units have the Dark Mechanicum tag on their datasheet too. Does that mean that we'll get a release after all these years ?

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>>54680805

>>54680795
Cheetah anon is a khorne fag. Huh.

>>54680773
Huh, okay. Then I'm stumped. I assume the Apothecary, since they already have a Paladin Apothecary, but the other two, I have no clue.

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>>54680827

>>54680835
Likely an impersonator. Doesn't fit his MO.

>>54680826
Seems more like something FW might do in the future.

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>>54680820
>limited edition anniversary captain
>Only one per store on a single day.
Well that's fucking retarded.

>>54680853
Who cares, report and move on

>>54680773
>>54680842

Librarian. He isn't in the index for some reasons.

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>>54680851

>>54680864

It's not one per store, dumbass.

I thought legion focus iron warriors would mention cult of destruction buffs. Are oblits just fucked?

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>>54680879

>>54680872
He is.
Part of Shared units.
Librarian in Terminator Armour

>>54680889
Going by the actual reveal it sure as shit is.

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>>54680851

>How to create your own jousting arena for homebrew tournaments using your knights

Everything that used to be awesome about GW and WD in one article

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Tried converting my Dark Angels into Fallen.

Look good?

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>>54680901

>>54680506
>>54680496
>Dont even bother tobchange the cover art

Im sure this wont confuse new players at all

>>54680782

Thanks! Very well put, thanks for catching me up.

>>54680638

Why are you so upset that someone wants to have a discussion aboit your hobby? Usually neckbeards jump at the opportunity to talk aboit their favorite form of autism

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>>54680795
Lmao, i was a weeb chaosfag all this time

>>54680926
Did a bunch of jihadis throw them off a roof for being gay?

>>54680910

Have you suffered blows to the head? Were you deprived of oxygen at birth? Mother drank during pregnancy?

>>54680795
your beserkers will still die to an equivalent points worth of ork boyz btw

>>54680895
The may have gotten a points adjustments or something. Marines had lots of points changes that weren't mentioned in previews.

>>54680895
First we heard about the price drop for Power Fists was when the Space Marine Codex came out, so I guess if Oblits get their point costs dropped, it will only be revealed when the Codex comes out.

>>54680933
The old ones are hardcover.

Can any admech players help me work out how to use Destroyers?

I hear they're used to pop vehicles open but they don't seem that good against anything above t6.

>>54680819
>I had the small tac squads + librarian so I could furnish a full Space Marine Battatlion detachment so I could use the Space Marine strategems and tactics, though I'm Imperial Fists and maybe that's not worth it.
It's definitely worth it, but I don't think your list uses it to the best of it's ability. Drop the knight and take 3 preds instead, that alone will make it worth it. I'd recommend either quad las or Pred cannon and las. I'd also drop one or two of the tacs for some sniper scouts to add some anti-character.
>For the Vanguards, I wanted to smash tanks and stuff with them with thunder hammers but another anon said I should take a relic blade on the sergeant, though I'm still not quite sure if that is a good trade off. I left some thunder hammers off the end since I figured I'd take some casualties from overwatch, but I guess that's silly thinking.
It is silly, but it's your first time so that's ok. You'll want to take everything the same, I'd recommend TH+SS. Drop the captian for a jump pack chaplian then, you'll want the reroll's to counter the -1 to hit.
>I used Plas/Heavy bolter because I figured the to hit rerolls from the commander would help them from killing themselves, and the heavy bolter because I have the models, same with with my company commander has a power sword.
I see, but you're better off not taking the plasma (if you want plasma with IG, grab scions. That's a scary unit right there) and getting another anti horde weapon.
I'd also replace one of the iccarus arrays with a neutron laser, it's crazy good anti tank.

>>54680818
Anime-hating Tau player here; fuck Chaos.

>>54680973
the new ones are hardcover too you dingus

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>>54680929

>>54680593

Thanks anon, main reason I went with 2k was because I wanted to play with my big rompy stompy knight and putting that in at 1000 points felt a little odd.

Im a weeaboo that plays orks, marines and chaos, what does that make me

>>54680936
>Thanks! Very well put, thanks for catching me up
Your welcome? Any other questions on imperial lore?
Also, may I ask what makes you ask? Just interested in why that was, or is someone in your group grabbing an imperial army or what?

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>All the worst shitposters in /40kg/ are Chaos fags
Really makes you think.

>>54681028
*you're welcome.

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>>54681014

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What size magnets should I need to magnetize Primaris?

Also, what size should I need for Valkyries?

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>>54681057

>>54680572
Is it me or half this models look outdated as fuck? The whole presentation makes me think of late 90s early 00s

>>54680984
The Strength is barely a factor. You wound all vehicles currently in 40k on 5+, which isn't that bad when you have 5 shots per model, with D3 damage each, especially if a Dominus sits between two units of them. The high number of shots can chew through anything eventually.

I want to get back into the hobby but only have a few rubric marines. Do I wait for the thousand son codex?

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>>54681075
>>54681076
Anon if you want to bait people it has to be better than that

>>54681028

Well I'm going to start up an imperial army soon, but I wasn't sure how viable it was to use models from different parts of the imperium. Is this basically tying my hands from using the fun synergies the armies are designed for or is it possible?

I want to make loyalist alpha legion marines (since no-one really knows where they exactly they stand), among other imperial units (mostly guard) and fluff the army as some alphas showing up to help imperials in a a time of need.

Is this too dumb?

>>54681076
All but the top three are literally late 90s-early 2000s sculpts. That being said, their presentation is fine. Straight and to the point.

>>54680585
Enginseers, low ranking tech priests, are pretty common around Guardsmen to maintain all their vehicles and equipment. There's also a load of weird niche admech low ranking members that work in administration roles because of their crazy computer brains to translate and do maths and stuff real quick.

Mechanicus members are pretty much everywhere, just really low ranking initiates nornally.

>>54681098
I dunno if I'd do bright yellow plasma guns for BTs but I dig the flame effects.

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>>54681098

>>54681076
Two thirds of those models are outdated as fuck.

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>>54680600
Holy shit. Obliterators and Mutilators rolled into one confirmed?

>>54681076
That's because the CSM box is 3rd Edition. They were re-released for 5th, but all that did was make the special/heavy/Champion equipment sprue bigger and add three more heads. Compare that to 6th (Black Legion), 7th (Thousand Son) and 8th (Death Guard) and you can see the problem.

>>54681098
I'm digging those 3rd(?) ed plasma colours

>>54680851
I had that issue when I was a wee lad

>>54681078
So I shouldn't bother trying to get them into close combat? I should just sit back and shoot with them then.

There's probably where I was going wrong, I wanted to ram them into transports and burst them but I guess I forgot the amount of firepower they'd put out while actually moving out.

Looks like I'll grab a few to meatshield my dominus then. Cheers anon

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>>54680364
Last thread there was a discussion about Possessed in the new codex having two wounds.
Where does that leak originate from? Is it confirmed?

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>>54681125
>>54681133
it's shit like that is why I buy this for you anons, God damn what does their editor do but drink tea

>>54681150
Leak? They literally said it in Warhamer community.

>>54681134
Are they good as a unit or two on a csm list or can I go full on rubric marines, termites, tzaangors.
Also how the fuck does 8th edition work with old codices

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>>54681044
Chaosfags are the Millwall fans of 40k.

'No one likes us and we don't care.

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>>54680926

>>54681150
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/31/legion-focus-emperors-children/

>Possessed are one of the most improved units in the new codex, gaining an extra Wound at no increase in points cost.

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>>54681165

>>54681180
Old codices are null and void, until you get an 8th edition on you just use the Index that goes with your army, which in your case would just be the Chaos one.

>>54681180
>Also how the fuck does 8th edition work with old codices

You throw your old codices into the trash and buy an Index

>>54681148
Hold on, did you mean Destroyers or Breachers? Breachers are the ones with the melee arm and the gun. Those're also decent at popping vehicles but little else and are almost universally worse than a unit of good, old-fashioned Grav Destroyers.

>>54681123
I like the yellow. It's very 2nd edition.

>>54680985

Thanks anon

>>54680853
Cheetahfag was always a khorne fag.

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>>54681203

>>54681110
>Well I'm going to start up an imperial army soon, but I wasn't sure how viable it was to use models from different parts of the imperium. Is this basically tying my hands from using the fun synergies the armies are designed for or is it possible?
It's perfectly viable and fluffy, though you'll want to keep them in seperate detachments because if command point and stratagem reasons, so it becomes a bit less viable at lower point levels (where the choice is mixed imperium and non tactics and strats, or mono-faction but stratagems and tactics. Your choice). From a fluff perspective it's one of the time honored classics, and it can be done in a variety of ways, from "combined crusade force" to "regiment and chapter from the same planet/sector"
>I want to make loyalist alpha legion marines (since no-one really knows where they exactly they stand), among other imperial units (mostly guard) and fluff the army as some alphas showing up to help imperials in a a time of need.
>Is this too dumb?
Not at all, though a couple of fags may not like it, they're fags so who gives a shit? As for fluff reasons, loyal alpha legion/cawl made alpha legion successors is perhaps one of the best reasons for human allies, since AL are well known to use regular human allies/pawns all the time. Ruleswise RG works best for them, since it's litteraly what they get in CSM dex

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>>54681226

>>54680945
Chaos is a religion of peace!

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>>54681283

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>>54681300

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>>54681323

>>54680557
>Scattered by an unknown hand

Chaos confirmed not responsible for the primarch scattering?

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>>54681342

>>54681257

Awesome! You had me right up until the last sentence, forgive another question but what is RG?

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>>54681359

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>Want to do a White Scars successor
>White Scars gotta go fast
>All of their chapter specialties in the codex emphasize close combat
>No Primaris bikes
>Can't use Rhinos for some reason
>Only Primaris transport is a fuckhueg points sink

I just wanna venerate the Great Khan, bros.

If I'm painting custodes should I prime black or silver to base coat before I do the gold?

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>>54681381

>>54681351
>[muffled carnacing in the distance]

>>54681376
RG is raven gaurd, one of the 9 loyaltist first founding legions.
Have fun with your dudes anon, don't forget to post pics whenever you start WIP on them

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>watching battle report online
>features a knight

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>>54681409

So, with new meta, i came to conclusion, that my all-infantry army, even with meltas, no longer competetive against armies with vehicles/dreads/knights

i decided to get myself some armor, that would also be able to take out enemy armor

i mainly play 1000-1500 games as chaos/death guard

as much as it pains me to put my bikers on shelf for good, but i decided to replace them with either leviathan dread or spartan assault tank

which would be better? perhaps you have any other more cheaper (point wise) suggestions, that would perform better?

>>54681385
I don't believe mantis warriors gotta go fast, but I could be wrong on that.

>>54681434
thanks for your service anon

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>>54681434

>>54681429
>Watching battle reports

That way lies only madness and despair.

>>54681409
Why is a harlequin in the genestealer box?

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>>54680618
>>54681165
Get paid, obviously.
>tfw two typos on the same page
>tfw loyalists don't have typos

>>54681434
>>54681409
>>54681381
This is some good shit.

>>54681409
>genestealer

What the actual fuck is the editor at that rag doing?

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>>54681458

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Does this have a range? Eating a Psyker a turn is pretty hot.

>>54681462
I'm quite new, started a month or so ago and its pretty much how I learned to play.

>>54680461
I would honestly wait till the next guard codex. Guard is getting something new, and that might be new guardsmen models. If not, we will still hopefukly get regiment tactics. In the meantime, camp ebay for catachans. They are really cheap in my experience, making up for their... age.

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>>54681485

>>54681441
In terms of (slightly) cheaper options, the quad-lascannon predator is widely reported to be a damn fine anti-tank tank.

>>54681491
I'm pretty sure a DtW has a range of 24” but I may be wrong

>>54681491
you can only deny within 18"

>>54681491
Gotta be within 24'' of the caster in order to attempt dispelling.

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>>54680572
>>54681076
>>54680612

>>54681491
What's with Khorne despising magic?

Magic is the warp. Khorne is the warp.

>>54681211
Meant Breachers, I'm a total idiot. Well as long as they're good at popping vehicles I guess. Looks like they're the new Electro-Priests, look pretty cool but they're nearly unusable.

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>>54681512

>>54681541
Khorne has always hated magic.

>>54681549
But why?

Khorne = warp.

Magic = warp.

Therefore, Khorne = Magic.

>>54681517
>>54681537
>>54681532
Thank you very much!

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>>54681545

>>54681541
Using magic is a cowardly and dishonourable way to slay worthy foes.

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>>54681482
Kek. Future generations won't believe this isn't shopped.

Guys I am making my first army which happens to be an elite demonhunting Inquisition strike force, barring an Inquisitor it would be mostly IG with a touch of Grey Knights.
The Grey Knights would mostly a melee deep striking force.

However since I want to keep the elite strike force I ask, how viable it would be a gunline (supported with regular IG vehicles) of exclusively Scions (Inquisitorial Stormtroopers) instead of regular infantry as they are now a basic troop choice???

Stats wise they are better than average infantry but from what I saw they are more suposed to be used as what I am planning to do with the Grey Knights, an elite deep striking force. So dunno if that's a waste of them.(plus I lose heavy weapons teams)

>>54681541

He's cool with summoning and daemon weapons etc, he isn't fine with pussy magic that avoids actually fighting your enemy in martial combat.

Wish listing and predictions for the CSM dex?

Wishlisting:
>Access to weird and different weapon options that aren't otherwise aesthetically different, like the pariah wargear from 30k
>Obliterators/mutilators get to pick weapons again
>CSM can rock out with bolter and chainsword again
>They do something to encourage the running of CSM as actual troops, like a small price cut or giving them a special/melee weapon per 5
>The return or addition of cool chaotic Vehicle upgrades, like dirge castors, maelefic ammunition or warpflame gargoyles
>Chosen/squad leaders getting the option to buy warpbolters

Predictions
>none of the above

At least Khorne/WE are baller this edition

>>54681561
He veiws it as cowardly IIRC.
It's been this way forever, and the chaos gods aren't known for making sense

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>>54681568

>>54681125
>cultist with a bolter
Did they put this here to just to rub in that cultists will never have a bigger role on CSM armies?

Cultist heavy weapons teams when?
Cultists vehicles when?

>>54681601
>>54681594
>>54681573
Explain Slaughter Priests then faggit.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-slaughterpriest-hackblade-en.pdf

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>>54681604
>>54681613
faith =/= sorcery

>>54681613
Not magic, it's prayers :^)
Also, AoS is different universe.
>inb4 this triggers you know who

>>54681604
Wow, GW pushing painting with washes now. this is how far we've fallen

>>54681541
He despises the idea of mortals taking the power of the gods to win their wars instead of using their own strength. Basically, to Khorne, using magic is cheating. He doesn't mind things like daemonic weapons because those typically involve submitting a daemon to your will and binding it into a weapon.

>>54681613
AOS =/= 40k.

>>54681613
That's not magic it's the power of prayer fag.

>>54681582
From my 7th ed games, gunline scions are terrifying. They chewed apart my Sicarians and anything that got close for that matter. Not sure about 8th but if you want a support gunline, look into Admech because we can pull off a decent one with few models. A few Onagers and Kataphron Destroyers can bring all the guns you'd ever dream of.

>>54681597
Predictions
>None of the above plus a quarter of the units and options disappear because there are no official models/it's not included in the kit

>>54681601
Not making sense is a crucial part of the Chaos Gods' MO

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>>54681626

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>>54681541
He hates pussy magic.

That's why he's not the enemy of Tzeentch as much as Slaanesh. But he still uses magic when it suits his goals. In the old days you could be a wizard and worship Khorne, it just wasn't optimal for you.

>>54681419

Of course! If the paint job ends up being any good. I appreciate the help amigo!

>>54681611

The army is called CSM.

Take a detachment of some R&H stuff.

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>>54681645

>>54681613
>why does this other setting have different rules
You didn't think before making that post did you?

>>54681670
It's the same universe.

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>>54681667

>>54680557

>UM bolter has right side ejection port

>WB bolter has left side ejection port

And ejecting to his left wouldn't even be that helpful here, the shells would be flying back towards his body and his are arms while hes fighting. What is happening here?

>>54681613
Praying and giving offerings to your god is not the same as magic, though you can achieve quite similar results. The difference is that prayers do fuck all if the god in question doesn't give a fuck, isn't impressed or isn't paying attention at that moment, whilst magic is pretty much guaranteed to work unless you fuck up the channeling or something.

This is also why Dark Apostles of the Word Bearers especially can summon daemons, despite not being psykers most of the time.

>>54681645
Are these old models I've never seen before or did they give the Stormcast Klansmen?

>>54681613

Khorne is cool with magic and psychic powers, he just hates wizards and sorcerers. He's literally made of warp energy, so are his servants, his blessings, his weapons... He needs summoning, he needs navigators... Basically he just doesn't want you being a shitty wizard who does not even lift.

If GW remembered that better he could have psykers with strict limitations on them to make them suitably khorney. They're really bad at lore though, is the thing.

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>>54681689

Anyone able to help an anon out with a novel? Been looking for At Any Cost that comes with the digital collector's edition if anyone has it and is willing to share.

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>>54681700
I'd recon it's a conversion. Looks nice, got a good Nemesis the warlock look to it

>>54681684
It isn't. There isn't an AoS planet in 40k, nor is it part of it's history.

You fucking retard.

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>>54681705

>>54681695
Some bolters have ejection ports on both sides, some bolters have no ejection ports. GW cannot into guns, it is known

Is there any artwork of the inside of the webway? need it for current project

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>>54681730

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>>54681703
>Khorne is cool with magic and psychic powers, he just hates wizards and sorcerers
Bullshit. Even if it wasn't before it is now, fuck witches and fuck magic.

>>54681695
Bolters have had an ejection port on each side of the gun for ages on the models. It's best not to think too much about it.

>>54681695
At least he's in power armor.

>>54681444
You're right, but I like bikes and the White Scars tactics. It's just a shame Primaris units cant take full advantage of them just yet.

Primaris seem pretty okay in close combat between the base two Attacks and pistols, so the chapter tactic plus the Warlord Trait seem like they would do well. The problem is just getting there right now. Aside from Reivers, anyway.

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>>54681751

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LMAO

Magnus sucks lol

>>54681774
That's a pretty big gun.

>>54681776
Magnus did nothing wrong, GW has said as much. Get fucked furry

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>>54681774

>>54681757

And their trickery.

No seriously, the RAAAWAAAARRRGGGGHHH NO MAGIC shit is -fantastically poor writing-

>>54681582
Put your scions in tauroxes and nothing will stop them. Might not leave enough for your grey knights.

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>>54681788

>>54681793

Why is it poor writing?

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>>54681804

>>54681728
There was a WHF planet in the 40k universe. Ergo, AoS is future 40k.

>>54681684
Nope, old world was hinted to be part of 40k universe, especially with the kind of crossover in the end times where (probably) Draigo showed up.

After the great clusterfuck that was AOS's lore began though, they're not the same universe for sure. The universe of the old world was destroyed and 40k is still going fine.

>inb4 I get called a salty whfb grognard when I fucking play AOS

>>54681808
He wants to Waac fag khorne WITH psykers god damnit!!!

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>>54681788
>340 skulls

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>>54681815

>>54681824
see>>54681822
40k just hasn't gotten that far in the timeline yet.

>>54681635
>None of the above plus a quarter of the units and options disappear because there are no official models/it's not included in the kit
Yay! It's Doomsaying Grognard Day! It's my favorite holiday, right after Weasel Stomping Day!

>>54681826
Oooh so it's just like those Black Templar 'fans' that are always complaining about how they can't use librarians ?

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>>54681833
Might do some more tomorrow but that's it for now, night anons

>>54681830

Terminator 2 style grimdark bases incoming.

>>54681857
Good night scananon

>>54681857
Thanks, WD-bro. Good night

>>54681822
AoS is not WHFB you autist.

>>54681852
Pretty much, they don't like having limits in their power fantasies so they cry poor writing.

>>54681833
wtf i like deathworld forests now

>>54681098
>>54681141
Fuck ya!

Shit is awesome.

>>54681862
If you're playing Khorne anything and not making every base a T2 styled base, you're a casual.

>>54681881
see>>54681850

>>54681881
AoS is the continuation of the WHFB as per Word of God.

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>>54681385
Yeah. Primaris only Scars isn't the best. You want to mix in at least some normal marine stuff. That said Scars Aggressors are kinda fun since they can advance and fire at no penalty. This means that they'll always be moving a 7+d6", making them reasonably fast. You could probably even run Flame Agressors without a Transport.

In addition, Scars Inceptors are fucking sweet. Between fly and the scars CT they can leave a combat fly any direction 10" (or 12+d6" with -1 to hit), shoot and then charge again. This has some fantastic synergy with the newly improved crushing charge ability to get those bonus mortal wounds over and over. Still, normal jump Packers are also awesome for similar reasons to the Inceptors and you probably want at least one unit of bikes for that super long assault threat range.

>>54681850
That's a fair point anon but we never had any conclusive proof that the oldworld was in the 40kverse, just little hints like the space marine in the Northern chaos wastes.

I guess you could argue that they have the same chaos gods? But that doesn't really answer how the 'order' gods like Sigmar and Mor could stop chaos gods fucking stuff up if they're fed by a few thousand human believers vs chaos gods fed by a whole universe of emotion and worship.

>>54681808

>Why is a magical god who constantly uses and relies on magic, everthing his servants do saturated in and dripping with magic hating magic bad writing

>>54681919
> the newly improved crushing charge ability
hows it changed?

>>54681931
Because Sigmar isn't a god yet in the 40k timeline.

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Today is my birthday. After months of not painting or assemling anything, I decided to go to my TT club and build a Ultramarine biker and a Apothecarius biker. I bought myself a few biked on Ebay, and searched through the bitz box of my club for an hour. I have been planing to do this for 4 weeks now.
Finally, I have it all, a bike, a torso, a narcetium, some bottles, that light thingy on top. That moment a club mate enters the room with the new codex and says "by the way, apothecarius on bike isn't anymore in the codex".

Khaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn.....

....doesn't drive a bike any more too. Yes, the Chapter master of the White Scars doesn't have a bike. WTF GW?

So I've now got pretty much one of everything for my Admech, aside from Breachers, Ballistarii and a Cawl. I'm obviously going to got some more Skitarii and Neutronagers, since one is just not cutting the ceramite-plated mustard at the moment, but I was thinking of flavouring things up a bit with a flyer or something. I know there's no rules for that, but are Admech forces mega-consistent with the types all the time like the Guard or Marines, or can they into conversions? I was thinking either a dakka-build Valk chassis or a squad of Admechified melta Scions in a plane.

>>54681952
Index stuff is still legal if it's not overwritten in the codex, isn't it?

>>54681948
But the issue of their strengths is still there right?
I know there's no right answer here and we'll probably never get one now but enjoy your headcanon I guess anon, I'll enjoy mine.

>>54681946
You get to roll one D6 for each model in the unit rather than just one D6 for the whole unit regardless of size. It went from completely inconsequential to a nice bonus.

>>54681943

>why does a chaos god not make sense

Besides, he's fueled by the emotions and acts that encompass his domain, not magic.

None of his servants practice magic, Kharn killing enough to bring daemons into reality isn't the same as performing a summoning.

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>>54681952
KHAAAAAAAN
don't worry, you still can take them. read the codex faq
>>54681971
I don't see how their relative strengths is an issue, GW has always fanwanked the good guys to no end.

>>54681955
Not at all, different forge worlds have different types of Skitarii, some are just servitors and some are huge roidrage cyborgs, some can fly, some can burrow, some are a hive mind, some aren't.

The sky's the limit with admech, they're always digging up old STC's or recovering corrupt ones.

Maybe try looking into the forgeworld admech drones for a flier? They're pretty cool if you're not too big on the idea of converting and would rather just have an admech proxy for whatever rules you choose to use.

But if you want to convert, go for it. The admech are the reason the Imperium has half of it's crazy tech and each forgeworld has it's own unique stuff to show off.

>>54681952
>my face when primaris apothecaries can't use bikes, jump packs, terminator armor, nor gravis armor.

Why do primaris have shit for options?

>>54681919
Yeah, I've been thinking about tossing in a squad or two of Marinelet bikers until the Primaris bikers come in, since it works fine with My Dudes' fluff. I just have an issue with putting Marinelets and Primaris together because the former just looks kinda silly in close proximity to the latter.

I'm a little concerned with the idea that once I finish those bikers, though, that's when the Primaris bikers will be announced---because, I mean, there's no way they're not going to be made. All we really know is that they aren't part of the first wave.

>>54682010
Primaris=babby's first miniature
Can't overwhelm them with complexity, anon. That's why the tactical depth of previous editions is done.

>>54681952
You're allowed to use the index datasheet for anything that doesn't have an updated codex entry. So you're fine for at least one full codex cycle.

Is there any template for Chaos Warbands similar to that one sheet to help Imperium players organize ideas for their Successor Chapters?

>>54682011
If they ever do Primaris bikers, they probably will be on jetbikes. I wouldn't buy any new SM kits that aren't Primaris tbqh.

>>54681705
>>54681645
Happy to be seeing conversions popping up in White Dwarf again.

>>54681351
I think they're trying to weasel in the BL time travel vision from First Heretic

>>54682011
I'd don't think bikers are too bad because sitting on a bike disguises the difference in height. The helmet and pads are the same size after all and that's mostly all you see. You could even give them MkIV helmets if you want to match it even closer. And besides, you really only need one bike squad since you can't use the strat twice in a turn anyway. I just really want to see more fly stuff since Scars are incredible with it.

>>54680945

I want /pol/ to leave.

>>54682047
I've been thinking the same, on both accounts. Plus, I really do prefer Primaris models for the most part (I'm not a fan of the Repulsor; it's just... it's just too much), if nothing else because I'm a sucker for Mark IV helmets.

Also, lower model count.

>>54682086
I want you to leave

>>54682084
Inb4 Primaris Jetbikes with White Scars rules.

Can someone explain the battleforged stuff to me?

If I buy the dark imperium box, could I like, use the primaris marines with some adeptus mechanicus?

Because they're both Imperium?

>>54682091
Try the modeling the repulsor without the pintle stubber, doodads stuck to the side. That way it looks fine.

>>54681429

What's wrong with knights?

>>54682119
Yeah, the army just needs a keyword in common.

>>54682119
Yup

>>54682135
>>54682141

Rad, I was thinking of making an Iron Fists/Adeptus Mechanicus army. It might not be great but I like the theme of it

I am a pleb who hasn't played 40k in forever, and I'm not into super competetive stuff anyway

>>54682119

Enjoy your imperium dream team army anon

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>>54682047
Would be cool. I do plan to buy legion outriders to use as my bikers. They practically look like Primaris Bikes as it is.

>>54681628
Really? Is it that much of an issue that they've fallen in your eyes?

>>54682008
Hells to the yes then, time to start looking at kits. I have seen the Vulturax, but cool as it is it's a little small, and it might pick up rules in IA14. I was thinking some kind of antigravity airship/skimmer with missile racks and lascannon belly turret, or perhaps a largish ground transport a la the Fortress of Redemption, floating along firing many many smaller guns at people as a Magos gesticulates and leads the chants from a pulpit or balcony.

Does the Stormhammer or whatever that Baneblade that has a bazillion sponsons on it is called have 8e rules yet? Seems like that would be kinda fun, or I'll just use the Repulsor rules and try to model it so it looks less retarded. Dunecrawler weapon mounts with lascannon and heavy stubbers, perhaps? Would look a little better than just ramming them onto the hull at random spots and it could crawl along on multiple sets of Dunecrawler legs.

>>54682037
I think there's an anon working on exactly that, as it happens.

>>54682119
Yup. Athough you'll want to separate them out into their own detachments within your army because they each have special rules that require a pure detachment.

>>54682167
That's exactly what I wanted to do when I started. Now I just run swarms and swarms of melee admech and bring some Whirlwinds and Thunderfires for support, it's really fun and surprisingly not shit.

Go for it anon, you'd only regret it if you dump £300 into an army that isn't the one you wanted.

>>54682047
Probably call them Repulsor Bikes and they have the same giant grav plates the tank uses.

Can someone explain to me how exactly allies changed in 8th? From what I get, it has to do with sharing keywords, but doesn't that mean, tau, orc, and necrons can't ally with anyone? Imperium can only ally with Imperium and so on?

>>54682183
Nice, I don't know about the Baneblade variants yet but I'm sure they do, they're made by GW and they're guardsmen so check the Guardsmen (Imperial index 2) leaks for them if you haven't got the book.


That crawler-repulsor sounds great as well, if you take the awful turret off the repulsor and stick some of the dunecrawler big swivel-turret guns on it, it'd look great.

I always wanted to convert a Valkyrie or Thunderhawk to have a load of Dragoons clamped on, ready to drop down. Fuck knows what I'd house rule it as but it'd sure look cool.

One day I'll get around to it but I still need to do my actual army.

Now that we have had some time to see what is going on are the normal marines going to be squatted eventually in favor of Primaris?

>>54682224
Hopefully they'll look better than the ForgeWorld dildo jetbikes.

>>54682267
yup
at least for battleforged armies

>>54682267
Yes. Taudar is dead.

>>54682267
To make a battle-forged detachment you need to have every unit in the detachment share at least one keyword such as (IMPERIUM) or (SKITARII) for example. If you don't do this, you don't gain any benefits from the detachment. That's the part I know

I'm pretty sure you can bring in random factions together such as Tau and Eldar but you wouldn't gain command points. Don't quote me on this part though, I haven't checked the allies rules but earlier today my friend told me a guy way running Magnus along with some Tau stuff so I'm basing my guess off that.

Quick question: custodians aren't included in the new codex, yes?

>>54682278
Eventually, probably. Most likely OG Marines are going to go the route a lot of the legacy armies in Age of Sigmar are; they're not going to be outright discontinued or shamed anytime soon, but they also won't be getting much in the way of updates in the future.

>>54682267
They made it so you have to have one matching keyword to use an army together

Translation:
PLAY YOUR ARMY NOT A LIST FAGGOTS

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Is it just me or does the moon of Konor look like an Admech Death Star? Long central trench and then the Cog Mechanicus stamped into it in a logo that has to be a hundred miles across.

Thoughts on the new mission for Konor? Heavily favors space Marines (shocking), but wraiths on the offence are fucking scary

>>54682194
Alright. I have a lot of ideas that I want to compare before I stick to something.

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I made my first list, I know some of its models are exorbitant. Do you think it would perform on the table? I know 2000 is a big game but im currently planning for future.

>>54682313
>I'm pretty sure you can bring in random factions together such as Tau and Eldar but you wouldn't gain command points. Don't quote me on this part though, I haven't checked the allies rules but earlier today my friend told me a guy way running Magnus along with some Tau stuff so I'm basing my guess off that.
No that guys a cheating fuckhead.

>>54682342
It favors CSM as much as it does SM.

>>54681576
You're kidding me. The bottom image is really not a genestealer? Is this for real?

The Ultramarines 2nd company organisation in the codex now is a goddamn mess

Hell, they seem to be down 22 members, albeit with 15 reassigned from other companies to make it up a little.

>>54682318
Space Marines codex? No. Still just the Index.

>>54682369
There's a fuckload of errors like this all over the issue. They were advertising the SC Slaanesh box in the text but used the Tzeentch box in the pics for example.

>>54682342
As en Eldar player, its a little bit annoying, but at least I'm not playing Orks

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>>54682270
Stormhammer is a Forge World one, so I'll have a look in the MEGA now.

Dragoon Drop sounds badass and rather Star Wars Droid Army, Admech really needs more tanks and vehicles. I wasn't going to actually use the Repulsor body since it's not very Admech in design, but looking at the sprues on the GW site the grav-plates are seperate, so I could do a floating Admech pimp throne or airship. I'll think on it, I really like massive flyers in this game like the Stormbird, Manta or Marauder, but the rules for them always seem to be complete shit.

>>54682363
Alright then, thanks for clearing that up anon. Maybe it was just for fun? My friend doesn't normally let people get away with bullshit like that.

>>54680505
Specifically guard are spilt up to make them less effective intentionally.
Combined arms forces are good and if it goes rogue it can do lots of damage.

So by separating units into tank, artillery, infantry or air regiments, you turn any betrayal into rock paper scissors.

Tanks go rogue send infantry
Infantry go rogue send artillery
Artillery go rogue send tanks
Aircraft go rogue artillery the airfield
Etc

TL:DR it is retarded by design.

>>54681044
More like Chaos haters are the easiest bait swallowers.

Okay so how many of the factions should Reiver's terror troops gimmick even work on?

>>54682401
I feel your pain man, all I want is a crawling tank army. Tau have the mechs, guard have the tracks and Eldar have the floating stuff so give us all the damn crawlers/walkers.

I'd love to do a whole army of Admech walker tanks one day but it's pretty hard when we've only got one tank in 40k.

>>54682402
Yeah, you can Ally whatever you want in "open play". So it's certainly not cheating in a casual game context unless matched play was agreed upon ahead of time.

>>54682208
That's what I was planning on. Like a Mechanicus force with a small squad of primaris and make a dreadnaught as a seperate detachment.

This is the first edition that really got me wanted to make a fun army

>>54682318
They are not Space Marines, so don't look for custodes stuff in SM releases.

>>54681044
It was startling the day someone finally put together a list of all the known shitposters and Chaos not only had all the worst ones but more than every other faction combined.

>>54681044
That sucks. I like Death Guard and Alpha Legion the most, but I pretty much like 90% of the factions.

battleforged rules question here. I want to summon in my hq using demonic summoning. Will this mean I don't get to count the unit in the detachments roster and miss out on CP? Like do I just put the points of the model is reserves and can't count it towards a detachment?

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Someone convince me not to drop dollardoos on murderclowns

They seem so....muderclowny

>>54682427

It would work really well on guard and have limited but potentially useful impact on Eldar and Tau.

Other than that? Kinda worthless yes.

>>54682474
They are faggot clowns. Are you a fucking juggalo?

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>>54682450
As one of the few chaos players that's not a complete faggot, this saddens me.

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After me and some friends petitioned the manager: My GW store just banned all unfair proxies and conversions from the Battle of Konor (and future events) that break from the 'true scale' of the models.

>Hull-down Leman Russ faggot got banned in verbal argument with the store owner
>Reason: Was breaking LOS due to no turret, unfair advantage, and arguing with owner

>WAAC Faggot using 2nd Edition terminator marines and rhinos
>Reason: Was told to upgrade because of LOS and base sizes providing an advantage

>Cheater using the Macrocarid Explorator as a Land Raider can't do that anymore
>Reason: Provides unfair charge and load/unload range advantages. It can assault to many extra units as compared to a Land Raider

>Another WAAC kid using the old armorcast baneblade was told to buy the new kit
>Reason: Small footprint is an advantage in new system

All four of these fuckers were either store banned or warned not to proxy/convert/use out of date models. Fucking finally. Chaos was losing up until now. My first game this week gave me a victory because the Land Raider faggot didn't have real land raiders.

If they wanna use their old models or proxies they should just play unregulated games. Fucking WAAC-kiddies with their pay-to-win models. Probably trolled eBay just to get them.

>>54682488
Says you. Chances are, you actually are a massive ass faggot.

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>>54682474
Join us anon
Find us in the webway

>>54682471
please respond :,(

>>54682427
Nids and Orks are effectively immune. Guard will typically have a mix, but you can probably find targets. Other forces have characters to provide immunity here and there but will typically be effected.

That said, terror troops isn't their money ability. Shock Grenades are.

>>54682474
Troupe of murderclowns is out of stock at the moment.
They're also a thinker's army, as you have no super resilient point-and-shoot units, and no cheap hordes of cheap infantry.

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>>54682427
It works on Night Lords

>>54682450
Kek, I remember doing that.

>>54682471
anyone????