The eternal debate

>>54675723
Pretty flimsy excuse to post that picture, dontcha think?

>>54675723
Barmaid.

Farmer's daughter. Pure waifus a best, dirty bar wench a shit.

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>>54675723
virgins > sluts

>>54675723
Both.

At the same time.

>>54675723
Farmer's daughter. Especially if redhead.

The Kankers are shit-tier and must be avoided at all costs, however.

>>54675723

I was a barmaid before I was a soldier, would still taste one though.

>>54675799
>farmer's daughter
>pure

>>54675970
Animals don't count anon

>>54675723
Farmers daughter working as barmaid.

>>54675723
Milkmaid.

The farmer, of course
His daughter can watch, I don't mind

>>54675723

The kidnapped princess.

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>>54676154

The Dragon that kidnapped the princess

>>54675769
'bout as flimsy as that negligee

>>54675723
The bar.

>>54676038
He have a winner here!

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>>54676154
>>54676163
The dragon princess who is all tough and dun need no knight to save her.

Despite what r9k tell all you faggots sluts>virgins
Barmaid

>>54675723
The farmer's daughter
The barmaid
The barmaid's daughter
The baker's daughter
The witch woman on the edge of town
The blacksmith's girly slutty son
The local ale wives
All the local nobility, all of it.
ect. ect. ect.

Its good to be the king.

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>>54676445
>>54676163
>>54676154

Country girls know things, if you undertstand my implication

>>54676599
>Princess dating female dragon because its the only way to get daddy to pay attention to her by sending knights to their death. Dragon just enjoys how kinky it is and free meals. Things will get weird when they start having feelings for each other.
Fund it.

>>54676445
scalies are the worst

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>>54675723
Jungle girls

>>54675723
I want to say barmaid, but she's probably riddled with STDs.

>>54676528
This nigga gets it.

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>>54676872
Jungle Girls?

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>>54676872
Wanted to start an amazon army for years, and now the warhammer metals are expensive as fuck. Also couldn't do it since I felt guilty having an army of junglesluts.

>>54675723
>tfw the Kanker sisters gave me a thing for tomboy trailer trash

there's so much drama because their families are always super shitty, but goddamn

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>>54676715

>>54675723
Could Ed with a stone in his shoe defeat Popeye on spinach?
How about Obelix when he sees Asterix or Dogmatix in danger?

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>>54675723
As the saying goes, 'The landlord's a bastard, the barmaid's a whore. but give them no shit or you're straight out the door.'

Farmer's daughter is best if you want freshness; she's probably only been fucked by her brothers and father, and the hired help. Maybe some of the livestock.
The barmaid? You think she's not been hit on by every single adventurer passing through? She knows the game, she'll just take whoever she wants, show them a good time, get herself off, and steal your purse as you sleep it off.

>>54675723
Marie a best
This is the objective truth

>>54677318
6mm is best scale

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>>54677378
Marie a shit, Lee best girl with May runner up

>>54676599
Sounds like a weird fanfic of Dealing with Dragons.

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>>54675994
I keep wanting to believe people like you are taking the piss, but I can't help but feel like some of you poor dudes are actually this fucked up.

>>54675723
Depends on the personality, but given the location of the first and the schedule kept by the second I can't see myself wanting a relationship with either.

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>>54677371
Now, as a party member? I'd take the tavern wench every time.
> Strong as fuck from hauling casks of ale around
> Breaks up fights, so she can fight
> Can cook and clean
> First aid skills
> Seen it all, won't get PTSD from the first adventure.
> Probably picked up tricks from passing mages trying to impress her
> Knows how to load/unload a wagon.

Are you calling my mother a pox-ridden wench?!!!

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>>54677056
Jungle girls
>>54677135
But junglesluts are a thing of wonder

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Well the barmaid comes with that outfit as well as not having to go to a fucking farm.

>>54675723
The Ginger

>>54677410
>May runner up
false.

Lee>Marie>>>Utter dog shit>>>>>>>>>>>May

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>>54678359
She's a sweetheart that's smarter than she looks and will have the best curves.
Marie's a selfish bitch that'll turn into a fattie. She's secretly the worst choice but deceives anons with punk girl fetishes.

>>54675723
the warrior woman

>>54677378
this

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Rocketgirls/Spacebabes are good too

>>54676480
It depends on what you're going for.
A night of fun? Slut>Virgin
A long-term relationship? Virgin>Slut

There are statistics to back up my claim on the second one (first one is completely preferential, of course.)

>>54675723

Why not two in one?

>>54675723
Neither. The best is to marry a princess through a loophole, deal with any other inheritors and have your child be the sole male blood relative in line for the throne.

>>54678948
From experience, having to teach someone how to sex can be somewhat annoying at times. Real virgins aren't anything like the glamorized pure sex-machines you see in fiction; womens' first times are just as awkward and unsatisfying as for men, same with their second, third, and two-dozenth times. Not to mention that your virgin most likely doesn't understand relationship etiquette yet either.

I'd say there are definitely virtues to getting someone who knows what to do "out-of-the-box", so to speak. That is to say, so you don't have to train them up to acceptable skill levels. My preference is for a decent woman with experience in both the physical and communicative sides of romantic intimacy.

>>54681831
>glamorized pure sex-machines you see in fiction
What fiction depicts virgins as sex gods? I suppose hentai does for a lot of male characters, but I doubt that's what you're referring to

>>54681904
I mostly mean in terms of automatically knowing what to do and being capable of pleasing men despite having literally zero experience.

>>54681831
>glamorized pure sex-machines
>"from experience"
Yeah, whatever you say m8. You just give that spiel to the dragon, maybe debate the scaley bastard and I'll untie this virgin princess.

>>54675723
Trick question. The answer is the muscled adventurer girl.

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>>54676599
>>54676671

>be me, noble hero type
>hear that local princess has been kidnapped by foul dragon, NotOnMyWatch.jpg
>fight my way through cursed wilderness to reach dragon lair, CheckMyKillCountNewbs.png
>reach lair, princess refuses rescue, WhatYouTalkNBoutWillis.jpg
>gets all mouthy, turns out to be dating the fucking lizard, FML.gif

>bout to leave her to it when the "girlfriend" shows up, OhShitImGonnaDie.png
>Girlfriend is ten times the size the court scribe told me to expect, fuckingNerds.png
>I back away slowly, talking fast, GladIKissedTheBlarneyStone.gif
>not looking for trouble, happy to leave the girl if she wants to stay, jsutKeepTalking.png
>dragon looks peeved, ThatsTheMostTerrifyingThingIHaveEverSeenAndIHaveSeenSomeShit.jpg

>"I told you to play along", dragon has a very sexy voice, even peeved, clearly female, stupidSexyDragon.jpg
>"I didn't want you to eat this one", YouAreMyFavoritePrincessEver.png
>"Oh, so you like this one", DragonsShouldNotSoundCoy.png
>"maaaybeeee", OhShitPrincessWhatAreYouDoing.jpg
>"He did well against the beasts in the forest, so I guess he'll do.", IHaveNoIdeaWhatsGoingOn.jpg

>dragon morphs into a very attractive woman, YouShouldBeRunning.jpg
>she tells me that I have to say I killed the dragon and rescued them both, WhateverYouSayBoss.png
>she'll be a "handmaiden", while I marry the princess and become the new king, ItsGoodToBeTheKing.jpg
>she'll call the shots, but in exchange for playing along I get to have them both as lovers, BonerAssumingDirectControl.gif

pic only slightly related

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>>54682605
>jpg
>png
>jpg
>gif
>.etc

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>>54675723

>>54675723
Real talk:

Why would anyone EVER pick a Kanker that's now May?

>>54684269
>Why would anyone EVER pick a Kanker that's now May?
I don't know why they would pick her anon.

After all, she's such a garbage-tier girl that only complete faggots who like deformed inbred girls would waifu her.

>>54684269
Marie's a slut that gives good succ

>>54684269
>>54684420
>>54684459
They're trailer trash. Why would you pick any of them?

>>54684478
Trailer trash gives good succ

>>54684478
Trailer trash girls want to fuck all the time.

How do you think every white trash couple ends up with eight kids and a few more babies that ended up dropped off in a dumpster somewhere?

>>54684478
Trailer park girls are down to earth and like to fuck, as long as you wrap up your dong it's all fine

>>54681953
My current gf was a virgin when we started. And except for the first 2 times the other weren't that bad. And with time she learned what I like. It's harder to make a harlot relearn sex and adapt to my tastes.

>>54684478
Some men like difficult projects to work on over long periods of time.

Turning a low-class skank into a proper lady is suitably difficult and time-intensive.

>>54684633
Yeah, just like turning a succubus into a proper housewife via the power of dick. The desire to tame and domesticate, it's deeply ingrained in man

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>>54675723
The farmer's daughter who moved to the city and became a barmaid, but couldn't make rent without hooking on the side

>>54675844
wrrrrrrronnng

>>54682605
>unneeded image things
>knight gets both in a wish fulfillment end instead of it being a cute funny romance

I appreciate the effort but, I can't fund this.

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>>54682933

>>54687386
Why is she fat?

>>54675769

What's that supposed to be? Slutty hillbilly versions of the Power Puff Girls?

>>54688396
They're the white trash that wanted to drug and rape the losers in Ed, Edd, and Eddy.

>>54682605
Sure is summer in here.

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Why not the guards-woman?

Blacksmith's son.

Farmer's preteen daughter.

>>54691384
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdu4wSBZqMM

>>54691384
Nothing wrong with that

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>>54691384

>>54692594
Of course you don't do lewd stuff with her right away, duh. Take her on exciting adventures, give her a proper education and groom her to be an excellent wife. Good enough for Hikaru Genji, good enough for any murderhobo.

Dairy maid >>>>>>>>> Farmer's daughter > Barmaid
She T H I C C

>>54675723
>What's best?
> The farmer's daughter, or the barmaid?


Let's see:

-Farmers daugter is
>Probably a virgin (not guaranteed if her family are hicks).
>Idealist that blindly follows what she was taught instead of thinking it through.
>Likely to be ignorant and thus easily manipulated.
>Will go for something better once she has an actual choice.

-Barmaid is
>Social.
>Competent.
>Purity not guaranteed.
>Is most likely to stick to the guy she marries because she knows the other choices and doesn't want to end up like a hooker.


I'll take the barmaid as long as she's younger than 30 and doesn't have STDs.

>>54676671
Things get wiereder when a male half elven bard shows up and instead of trying to save the princess he starts hitting on the dragon.

virgins are best

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>all this discussion
>not enough pictures of hot/cute peasant waifus

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>>54676163
The witch who hexed the princess to be caught and geased the dragon to kidnap the princess.

Anybody have that comic of a dragon claiming a princess, except in reality the princess and dragon are in cahoots and the dragon is assessing the knights who try to rescue her, and denying the ones the princess doesn't like the look of?

>>54675723
Don't do it nigga.
Last barmaid that a party member screwed was secretly an ex-assassin. Got knocked up with the Fighter's twins, they got married, and everything went downhill from there.
At least I got a cool villain out of it. Would explain more, but I'm on mobile at the moment.

>>54675723
The farmer's daughter's mother, who happens to be a barmaid

>>54694496
Why would a farmer's daughter be a virgin?

>>54696278
Barmilf

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>>54676094

>>54696278
The farmer's daughter AND her mother who happens to be a barmaid
Also called an "adventurer's double"

>>54696342
Horses don't count.

>>54676094
This makes me wonder. Is 'I fucked your dad' as much of an insult to daughters as 'I fucked your mom' is to sons? I assume not, but I'm not a woman.

>>54696278
Why would the farmer be ok with his wife working as a bar wench?

>>54696504
I'm gonna guess that, since "I fucked your dad" just ain't used as an insult at all, people would think your either nuts, or your confessing to actually fucking their dad. Which would be disgusting regardless of the speaker's gender.

>>54696587
Are you familiar with the phrase "town wife"?

Basically, in the past, young farmers would marry a woman their own age, but after having 12-15 children, the woman would often die earlier than her husband. At that point, he would find a new, young woman from the nearby town who saw the wealthy and landed farmer as a better catch than the men her own age.

I assume that the bar wench would be the town wife.

>>54696504
Generally, having a fetish for other dads isn't as socially acceptable as having a milf fetish.

So anyone using "I fucked your dad" first runs into the stigma of liking old man dick, and the insult is ruined by hurting the person saying the insult just as much as the person receiving it.

It's like telling a woman that she's so bad in bed that she can't even get your microdick off. Yes, it's insulting her, but it cuts just as badly against you for saying it.

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>>54696278
Best answer

>>54696661
Yeah, but wouldn't she stop working as a barmaid after she got married to the wealthy farmer though?

Also, by that logic she'd be the farmer's daughter's stepmother, not mother.

>>54677378
I concur, Marie is the only one I'd be remotely interested in.

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>>54682933

>>54675723
My current character actually married a farmer daughter.
She's a thiefling thougj.

>>54696278
MILF barmaids? I'd become a regular

>>54696342
>Why would a farmer's daughter be a virgin?

Because prior to the 18th century women would be killed if they were fount to be unchaste before marriage.

>>54677135
>>54677056
>>54676872

Why are these all white

>>54675723
Goddess Ilias

>>54697206
Utter bullshit, read a history book.

>>54697376
Because Tarzan.

>>54687426
>not wanting to be the one to turn the pure virgin into a slut that is desperate for your dick
How does a person like this live a full day without wanting to kill himself?

>>54675723
busty red headed bakers daughter is best waifu

>>54675723
Which one is more thicc?

>farmer's daughter
>can suplex cows and pull logs around, good physical stats
>self sufficient and broadly skilled due to isolation
>cute

>barmaid
>social skills through the roof, well connected and informed
>decent enough in a fight due to chair throwing brawls breaking out every day
>cute

>jungle girl
>animal friends
>has the physical stats and observational skills to survive in the harshest environments
>cute

>space babe
>always helpful regardless of circumstances due to her practice at adapting to a new planet every week
>good with technology and well equipped, but not reliant on it due to it being constantly disabled by space gods/spaceship crashes/plot
>cute

The correct answer is whichever one you are forced to team up with due to some dumb catastrophe

>>54698278
I think the correct answer is All of them, we harem now baby

v.2.0

>Farmer's daughter
>Bar wench
>Busty redheaded baker's daughter
>MILF dairy maid
>With living on the village outskirts
>Blacksmith's daughter who wants to be a warrior
>Local priest's niece
>Shopkeeper's wife

>>54698558
>*Witch

>>54697206
Only in Arabia.

>>54677349
Does Ed have the monster costume on?

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>>54698558
>>MILF dairy maid

She needs a strong man with strong yet gentle hands to help relieve her...Of her chores of course....

>>54698313
Potentially agreed, but only if they get added to the squad naturally due to being around during a catastrophe and can gain mutual respect for the other waifus through the power of heart and shared difficulty

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>>54675844
This.
>tfw it is pretty much impossible to find a virgin gf which to marry in the west in this decadent day and age.

Ther way intimacy and sex have become things people engage in casually with wanton abandon, saddens my traditionalist heart.
I only want to be intimate with the girl I wish to marry, have plenty of children and spend the rest of my life with.

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>>54698558
>Must be the season of the witch~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAzTnsSgs2s

>>54698853
>gruff middle aged orc x milf dairy maid
I'd read that

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>>54675723
Farmer's daughter, there's always the thrill you're gonna get your head blown off with their dad's double barrel

>>54700097
>>54700241
Oh no, someone has different values.

Princess or the Queen?

>>54698558
MILF dairy maid all the way

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>>54700264
>girls don't like me because i'm the kind of creep who only wants to fuck virgins and talk like i just finished reading The God Delusion
>blame it on them and modern society

>>54700398
Nice projection senpai.
I find it quite puzzling how you attack me with such vitriol just for stating my values and making an obvious observation about the decadent state of modern society.

>>54700437
post a pic of yourself

>>54700009

>The Passion of Thorgun and Rayha
>A mercenary looking for some peace and quiet away from the battlefield after losing his arm in battle, and getting use to his new prosthetic arm
>A recently widowed owner of a farmer determined to keep it running despite losing her husband but the hardships and the lonliness are taking their toll on her

>>54700471
>posting my face on 4chan.
Why on earth would I do that?
If you don't want to address what I said just say so instead of trying to shift the discussion to unrelated subjects.

>>54700524
You're coming off as an unbearable pseudo intellectual teenager, projecting your inadequacies through delusional rhetoric. Clearly, you know you're the problem, and you'll only stop being the problem when you take responsibility for your abrasive pretentious bullshit.

>>54700524
>why would I do that?
because doing that will either prove or disprove your point, you said I was projecting but you've actually provided no evidence to the contrary, you're still talking like a fucking fedora tipping euphoric goon.

Prove to me you don't have defective genes that no "QT3.14 virgin gf uwu desu" would ever want in her lineage, I'm asking you to prove me wrong, because my suspicions aren't baseless at all, you sound like a fucking creep and I would never ever fuck the person you sound like, I'm curious to see if you look as ugly as your personality seems

>>54700570
You still haven't addressed anything I actually said, just leveled your generic criticism along with petty insults, at me without actually articulating what is it that you are objecting against about my statements.

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>>54700524
>>54700437
>>54700264
>>54699618

>>54699618
Anon here's the thing.
You gotta do it when you're young or else you're not gonna have that.
I'm with a girl I met when we were both in our early teens and we're both traditionally 'right wing', have values like this, etc.
You wasted your teen years playing video games instead of finding a qt conservative gf, anon.

>>54699618
>>tfw it is pretty much impossible to find a virgin gf which to marry in the west
Check with your local imam, surely he will know of family with girl at the marriage age.

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>>54700616
>>54700524
>>54700437
>>54700264
>>54699618

>>54700472
Will there be raunchy, animalistic orc/milf sex?

>>54700595
>because doing that will either prove or disprove your point
How? I made no comment at all that was in any way depended on my or any other person's looks.

>you're still talking like a fucking fedora tipping euphoric goon.
This is an insults, not an argument.

>Prove to me you don't have defective genes that no "QT3.14 virgin gf uwu desu" would ever want in her lineage,

I don't have to prove you anything because nothing what I said was at all related to my personal looks.
You are looking for a way of dismissing me and my views, so you do not have to bother considering them.

> you sound like a fucking creep and I would never ever fuck the person you sound like, I'm curious to see if you look as ugly as your personality seems
More insults.

Can you actually engage in an argument at all?

>>54700616
The objection with your statement, objectively, is the choice in rhetoric. I have nothing to do with the argument, but your trite attitude and general ineptitude in the face of criticism is unbearable, and will ensure your sex life is as mediocre as your rhetoric.

Buncha roasties and whiteknights

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>>54700663
I am painfully aware of that. I was a shy and reserved boy in my teens with a developing depression. I have only gotten myself together to some degree recently at the age of 24. As I am gonna start studying in an university in a few weeks, I am first time in my life at a position where having a relationship is actually something I might consider. Before this, I have been too messed up.

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>>54700740
>make statement
>person argues the contrary
>"you're just projecting waaaaaaa"
>"prove to me that you are not what i assume with hard evidence"
>"y-you obviously just can't argue, [sweat puring, fedora aggressively tipping]"
dude, the dude did actually make points, you're just calling them insults because they have some aggressive language around them.

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>>54700623
>>54700686
Man I sure as hell pissed someone off.

>>54700688

Of course.

>Awkward moments of closeness as the particularly busty but strong farm owner is being helped by the Orc
>The Orc tries to repress the fact he's lonely, and horny as fuck but does his best to be a gentleman feeling bad about all the girls he's met and fucked and dumped before
>Try as she might, his strong masculine features trigger her primal urges and needs in her loins and her breast.

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Can we stop with the fucking /r9k/ and return to the original debate?

>>54700846
not so much pissed off as much as made me laugh, it's hard to find this kind of virginity in the wild

>>54688396
Basically.

>>54700750
Objecting to rhetoric is not an objection to the arguments and thus irrelevant.

>>54700829
>the dude did actually make points
Such as?
Calling me a creep, ugly inside, and misrepresenting my position as ""QT3.14 virgin gf uwu desu will never love me ;_;" while demanding that I post my face on 4chan, are hardly good points.

>>54700867
What makes you think that I consider being called a virgin an insult? I made it quite clear in my very first post that I was a virgin and had no interest in having sex just for the sake of it.

>>54700864

This is trashy enough I would totally fuck her in front of people and not feel bad about i t.

>>54700941
omg lmao

>>54688388
It's mildred from dark souls I guess, some kind of cannibal psycho.
Oh and she really wear that fucking bag on her head because she's ugly af.

>>54677142
Holy shit my life just started making sense.

>>54700472
Dammit that actually sounds good if it was readable.

>>54700688

There fucking better be.

>>54700902
you so realise you're trying to argue agains like 7 other people?

just so you know I'm
>>54700471
>>54700241

however, as a little summary from various posts. if you weren't the kind of disgusting individual that these other points have talked about, you wouldn't be scared of posting your picture, because what have you got to lose? If you are a beautiful man then your ideals might be understandable (regardless of your personality (if this were the case you could at least trick an attractive virgin into your life with good looks before she realises and divorces you)), if you are an ogre, then your points will be justified, just in a different way, these people will all understand why you have the viewpoints you do, see: >>54700398

So you see actually posting a picture of yourself will not only end this retarded, multi-person discussion, but also might save you a little bit of pride on the way. fun eh?

>>54694777
incase you don't know Zullie IS the princess.
also pay respects to alva for not being a dick and trying to protect his family through all ages.

>>54700941
there's a difference between a Virgin™ and someone who's never had sex, guess which you are?

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>>54701059
What makes you even think that I am some sort of "disgusting individual"?
And I don't post my face on 4chan out of principle, and again, my looks still have nothing to do with what actually said.

> If you are a beautiful man then your ideals might be understandable
What?
You have to run me trough your thought process here. How on earth, do my personal looks, in any shape or form, validate, or invalidate my ideals, which, by the way, boil down to just holding a girl I wish to have a relationship with to the same standards to which I hold myself.

You have created a strawman of my position against which you are arguing. Argue against what I actually stand for, not your strawman
And in case you couldn't figure it out, this is my stance:
"The only girl I wish to be intimate with is the girl I want to marry, have children with and spend the rest of my life with, and I expect her to think the same towards me,"

>>54701089
Explain the difference because to me, it only seems to be within your head.

>>54701235
>someone who's never had sex
self-explanitory
>Virgin™
you

>>54701217
oh my god imagine being this dude

>>54701248
So according to you, people holding traditional values are virgins?

>>54701261

They are certainly prudes when they are vocal about it

>>54701217
Here, you can't know if you want to be with the first person you're intimate with. Part of getting to know someone and being able to decide if you can stand each other for the rest of your life involves intimacy.

>>54701260
How the fuck are you so incapable of forming actual arguments. You keep flinging pathetic insults like some pissy teenage girl. Come on m8 at least try addressing what I have said.

>>54701275
So being prudish means one is a virgin?
What's bad about prudishnes?

>>54701297
lol i aint even commented even in this thead other that that one senpai, why you mad for

>>54701278
Yeah, and that intimacy comes only after one has gotten to know and trust the other person near completely and is ready to spend the remaining of one's life with that person.

>>54701309

Nothing, I don't know what kind of stupid arguement you're having, I'm just saying people who shove it in others people faces how pure they are for not having sex before marraige are just as bad as people who are openly slutty.

We get it, you're redpilled or are a conservative or something.

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>>54675723
>E X T R A
>T H I C C
>FARMERGIRL

>>54701311
Yeah, right. It's not like your post wasn't yet another brainless insult in a chain of brainless insults.

>>54701330
And art of intimacy is knowing that you are sexually comparable, because there's no obligation to be with the first person you fuck anymore. If you can't get her off why wouldn't she find someone she can get along with AND gets her off, same goes in the reverse. It's better to find out that out before marriage so you don't lose half your stuff, or get cucked.

>>54701217
>>54701217
>What makes you even think that I am some sort of "disgusting individual"?
i said nothing of the sort, if you actually read you'll see i'm summarising what other posts have said. i'm just saying that you can easily disprove these callouts

>You have to run me trough your thought process here.
your personal looks have a lot to do with how you develop socially, being better looking 95% of the time come with being more socially adept, sympathetic, and having an easier time attracting the opposite sex - there then is a correlation between a person's looks and their abilities to go after what they want, in your case it would be a virgin. Your looks do not invalidate your ideals, but they do have a role to play in shaping them.

>>>54701217
>What makes you even think that I am some sort of "disgusting individual"?
i said nothing of the sort, if you actually read you'll see i'm summarising what other posts have said. i'm just saying that you can easily disprove these callouts

>You have to run me trough your thought process here.
your personal looks have a lot to do with how you develop socially, being better looking 95% of the time come with being more socially adept, sympathetic, and having an easier time attracting the opposite sex

again, i didn't argue anything, i just asked you to post a pic of yourself. I figured out your stance just fine thanks.

>and I don't post my face on 4chan out of principle, and again, my looks still have nothing to do with what actually said

what principle? as i said you have nothing to lose, explain to me the principle, please. also as I've already said, yeah it does have something to do with what you said

>>54701339
>stating my values and being immediately attacked for them = showing my "purity" to other people's faces.

Where have I attacked anyone for being less "pure" than I for not having my values?

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>>54696278
>A milf who can also cook is best girl
YOOOOOOOOOO~

>>54701395
>pretending the shitposting is anything but expected
See you tommorrow.

>>54701351
>And art of intimacy is knowing that you are sexually comparable, because there's no obligation to be with the first person you fuck anymore.
Why would I fuck someone I don't want to be with in the first place?

>If you can't get her off why wouldn't she find someone she can get along with AND gets her off, same goes in the reverse. It's better to find out that out before marriage so you don't lose half your stuff, or get cucked.

I am not advocating for no sex before marriage you moron. I am advocating for forming a monogamous relationship and sticking to it.

>>54701372
My personal looks had no role in the development of my ideals. My ideals stem from growing up in a good and stable family, and seeing my relatives form stable families with the people they began to date in their youth.
Like I said before, I am only now entering a stage in my life where having a relationship is even a prospect to me, as before this, I was too messed up in my head due to depression that began to grlow when I reached puberty.

>what principle?
The principle of "not posting my private info, including pictures of myself, to fucking 4chan"

>>54700867
Calling others a virgin on 4chan and gloating about it.
Do you know where you are?

>>54700996
We use words here, kid.

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>>54675723
Deadly sweet-poison vampire mistress.

>>54701436
Imagine being insecure enough to stay and try to convince people on a Phoenician rug weaving board that you're not a creep. Especially when making a point to stay entirely anonymous.
Why some people don't grasp the fact that you can just leave the thread, or even just stop responding, and nobody will know you ever posted.
I don't get how some people clearly take shit here personally

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>>54701568
Sienna, Get the stake

>>54701574
i just read the thread my guy

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>>54700663
>tfw I've actually reached the age where my peers are starting to have children
I've already found peace with the fact that I'm too late. At this point even if some woman ended up throwing herself at me I'd be better off rejecting her in 99.9% of cases. Either she's used goods not even the sloppy seconds beta orbiters want, or no other man has desired her up to this point which means there must be something HORRIBLY wrong with her. As for the Ultra-Christians, even they are probably having their first child around now.

At least mai waifu will always be pure.

>>54701436
I am actually just trying to figure out why on earth my post here >>54699618 got such a vitriolic reaction.

Also, calling someone a creep isn't an argument.

>>54701615
I'm not talking about you, m8, but the guy you were referring to.
It baffles my mind that people like him carry on posting

>>54701618
see
>>54701615


i'm just here to have a good time

>>54701574

Look, when your entire life revolves around a Mongolian Shadow Puppet Board because you cant stand the idea of trying to integrate into society you're going to take it personally. The game of pretend then becomes real.

>>54701630
Why should I stop posting?

I side with virgin-guy, he might be cringy and a creep but the other dude isn't any better

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>>54701588
Can it be a flaming stake?

>>54701671
I still don't understand why I am supposedly a "creep" or a "disgusting" person.

>>54701736
you don't think "I only want to have sex with virgins" creepy? I dare you to say this to any woman

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>>54701736
>I still don't understand why I am supposedly a "creep" or a "disgusting" person.
Allow me to explain

Barmaid < Jungle gril < dragon gril < farmers daughter < cultist girl from the evil, monstrosity summoning cult you are supposed to be stopping

>>54675844
>posting a negative
Post the original or develop your film

>>54701736
Because it's too unrealistic in this day and age, makes you come across as either inflexible/autistic or an MGTOW/MRA

>>54701757

I suppose if nothing else it stinks of a weird sort of elitism. I mean, if that's the thing in your particular community than fine but it seems like it would come across just because you had sex before you're not good enough or something.

I would think this attitude would be better suited for situations where arranged marriages are a thing

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>>54701773
But where do we rank the female knight?

>>54701757
If I am myself a virgin as well, no. How is it creepy? I just hold the same standard to the girl I hold to myself. And I don't want to have sex with multiple virgins like you seem to imply. Ideally I'd have sex with only a single girl whom I'd marry and have children with.

>>54701766
So shaming tactics basically.

>>54701778
I am aware of how "unrealistic" it is, hence my lament of the decadence of the modern age. I am well aware of the fact that I might never be able to have a marriage and family like my parents did and it pains me. I can't let go of the ideal however because to do so would be surrendering to the decadence.

>>54701822
you might have to swallow a christianity pill and try christian mingle or some shit desu anon

>>54701812
a romance sidequest only available to good aligned characters
I was evil when I dated the cultist girl

>>54701812
At the fucking SSS top rank

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>>54701853
That's one S too many

>>54677371
Been listening to Alestorm, I see. Good.

>>54701822
But that's the thing bro, you're blaming society being busted and decadent instead of adapting to it and carving your place in the world.
Positioning yourself as too good for it while at the same time lamenting your position and giving up without a fight

>>54701840
I doubt I can ever be religious. I just can't buy into supernatural bs. Besides, most people in my homeland are hardly religious and the few that are belong to very tight knight Lutheran sects that shun outsiders.

>>54677476
>Strong as fuck
>-4 str

Pick one

>>54701891
Not him, but what do you call people who back out of a raw deal? The word "rational" springs to mind.

>>54701766
A lot of those responses are pretty stupid, descend into hilarious levels of whataboutism, or are only tangentially related to the actual point.

>Point: "You only go after bimbos and high-maintenance bitches"
>Response: "Women give out chores and to-do lists!"

>Point: "I don't like guys who live with their parents, it's immature."
>Response: "Teenagers have sex and unplanned pregnancies! So there!"

>Point: "You always seem so negative and blow up over nothing at all."
>Response: "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. DEUS VULT!"

I'm surprised that anyone actually could stop laughing long enough to save it.

>>54701891
I ain't giving up. However, if adapting means letting go of my ideals and accepting the decadence, I'd rather keep fighting even if it destroys me and burns the society around me. Helping to bring this decadent culture crumble to dust would be an agreeable goal to me, if I cannot have a family of my own.

>>54701909
The whole marriage thing, right?
You make compromises, you adapt to it, you don't buy into the whole thing, you get something out of it.

You just don't take your ball and go home, that's weak sauce.

>>54701941
And statemets like those make you come across as bitter and resentful, not enlightened and at-peace.

I'm trying to meet you halfway here bro, bout you're not making it any easier

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>>54675723
Better question.

As a femanon, who should I pick: the murderhobo adventurer who fetishizes farmer's daughters and barmaids, or the hardworking anon who lives in the village and is a blacksmith or something?

>>54701944
>You make compromises
>WITH THE LAW
That's not how it works back on Planet Reality. Especially in relation to women. When someone's tightening a noose around your neck, you're not in a position to negotiate anymore.

>>54701936
It seems to me like you just brushed the whole thing off after a quick glance, either because it made you uncomfortable or because you couldn't be assed

>>54701967
The guy has ideals that he stands by, you can't understand why "meeting him half way" is nothing but an insult to him. You would think /tg/ would have a concept of ideals, honour and being a man who fights for something they believe in. It's pretty standard in good fantasy stories

>>54701982
>As a femanon, who should I pick
I would recommend you to pick the "stop being a whore and get off my board" option.

>>54701986
Just don't get married then, go out on dates, have a few girlfriends, have fun for fucks sake

>>54701998
Tits or GTFO

>>54701967
How could I be at peace, when I see the second coming of the decadence and degeneracy of Weimar consume my homeland and culture. Every fiber of my being tells me to resist and oppose this decadence. I am disgusted by it to my core.

>>54701993
He's not fighting for anything tho, he's just sitting in his ivory tower lamenting how the world doesn't understand him and gloating when something goes wrong for everyone else

>>54702025
Really don't get it do you? Go read some good fantasies, you seem pretty fond of living in a fantasy world.

>>54702014
>resist and oppose this decadence
And how exactly are you gonna do that, bro?

>>54701991
I read it.

Very few of the responses actually address their example text, and the only ones that do are ones that are just bluntly stating "This is a logical fallacy, just treat it as such", which surprise, is the only meaningful advice in the whole thing.

The rest seem to think that by being weirdly aggressive in your responses or just being melodramatic enough, you automatically win whatever the argument was about. If a woman tells you that you're overgeneralizing, the response given is "Yeah, but feminists do it too, so it's okay". That's not an argument, that's idiocy.

>>54701982
A woman can also be a murderhobo adventurer who fetishizes farmer's sons and bar waiters, you know... or farmer's daughters and barmaids, for that matter.

Also, no one cares that you're a femanon. Tits or GTFO

>>54702007
>Just don't get married then, go out on dates, have a few girlfriends, have fun for fucks sake

I don't want pointless, hedonistic "fun". I want a stable marriage, so I can have a family and children. There is no fucking point in the lifestyle of "having fun" you describe. It is decadent and banal, serving only the hedonistic needs of the moment, instead of working towards the future.

I want my family line to continue, to be able to hold my children on my lap, to teach them about the world and see the joy of life in their eyes, to provide my parents with grandchildren. I cannot conceive of greater meaning to my life than the above, and if I am denied that by this decadent society, I have no qualms about seeing it all burn down.

>>54701812
One point below the lady orc, if only because lady orcs can kick your ass even more than the knight.

And women who kick ass are hot.

>>54701982
>As a femanon, who should I pick
Whoever the fuck you want.

No one gives a shit whether you like random murderhobos, sexy blacksmiths, or twinky little cleric boys.

>>54702126
Mate I know where you're coming from but you're not going to get any where with these degenerates. /tg/ is full of these types and the mods will just ban you for being off topic. Make a red pilled discord or something

>>54675723
The barmaid is actually a mimic who feasts on adventurers as they paw her tits

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>>54702064
By any means necessary. Right now, starting with myself, by striving towards bettering myself into a respectable and capable man, both physically and mentally. One must first sort oneself out, before taking on the rest of the world.

>>54702104
I'll give you that the suggested responses are pretty cringe/fedora, bad advice basically.
But it's a neat little recollection of what you can be slapped in the face with when debating a feminist.

>>54701982
Do w/e you want.

You're in an RPG, you can literally be anyone within the rules.

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>>54702147
>twinky little cleric boys

>>54702141
>t. millennial pussy nu-male

>>54702158
that's all very vague and a whole lote of nothing, gimme some actual responses/advice, something concrete

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>>54702141
>Opting for the slutty, licentious, dumb as a rock, barely even civilized green nigger when you could instead have a moral, educated, disciplined, kindhearted, cultured, pure ladyknight

>>54702205
t. faggot who thinks weakness is a feminine virtue rather than a universal vice

>>54701982
Less shaming, more fantasizing anon.

Looks like someone here fetishizes honest, hardworking blacksmith guys with their strong, gruff hands~ It's okay, just try not to shame others for having their own dirty little fantasies, k?

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>>54702243
>universal vice
Incidentally why I like orc girls.

She hunts, fights, w/e while I can stay home and scribble like the little /tg/ bitch I am.

Plus 10/10 amazon, and teaching her the best parts of civilization, what's not to love?

>>54702211
I am right now, getting fit, and educating myself.
In the university I intend to network myself with likeminded people so we can in time, affect the change we desire more effectively and organize better. As I establish myself better I will also seek a romantic partner to myself that is as close to my ideals as is reasonably possible so I can have a family. If I fail at that, I will dedicate my life to politics with the sole goal of destroying the current decadent order and building a better system that actually serves the interests of my people.
Is that concrete enough for you?

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>>54701998
>>54702108
>>54702147
>>54702168
I think you all missed the point.

>>54702265
I'm not trying to shame them but I feel like "magical realm" threads like this are detrimental to the board.

>>54702280
I don't know, your response feels like pasta, still too vague

>>54702305
Could you faggots fuck off?

>Post your picture!
>Tell us exactly how you live your life

You're clearly trying to dox him and you don't belong on this website if you demand people's pictures

>>54702287
Then just right click and hide them when you see them.

Jesus, it's like nu-/tg/ is completely retarded and thinks "I don't like X" means that it should be banned from the board so that their poor delicate eyeballs aren't forced to go into threads they dislike and read hundreds of posts they hate.

>>54702305
You want me to write down a life plan and a political manifesto at 4 am on a Taiwanese kite flying bulletin board?

>>54702335
Sure, that'd be neat and I'd appreciate it very much

>>54701546
Do you? This isn't your sekret loser clubhouse.

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>>54702335
The French Revolution started in salons.
The Russian Revolution started in universities.
The Beta Revolution will start on Bhutanese Flower Arrangement forums.

>>54702396
If you were capable of Revolution you wouldn't be a beta.

>>54702370
Sorry, no can do, as I gotta sleep.

>>54702404
most revolutions are basically multiple betas REEEEEEEing in unison

>>54702287
>I'm not trying to shame them but I feel like "magical realm" threads like this are detrimental to the board
Then you could've just said so, saged, and fucked off to a thread you think is more /tg/related.

Instead of, you know, making up a fake question, rambling about "fetishization", and making sure you mention your gender on an anonymous board

>>54702421
lame

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>>54702428
Alone, we are easily broken twigs.
Together, we are like a mighty faggot!

>>54702428
>most revolutions are basically multiple betas REEEEEEEing in unison
I feel this deserves a (You). enjoy

>>54702461
>expecting someone to write a multi-post description of his life plan and political beliefs in the middle of the fucking night. Come on m8

>>54702529
I thought we were having a moment, bro, like a temporary special connection

>>54702428
Hardly. Revolutions require alpha charisma and leadership. The people who lead them are the equivalent of wolves challenging the alpha of the pack: they might not be ranked alpha, but they're still capable of functioning as an alpha.

A beta revolution will never happen, because if you had the ability to upset the status quo and rearrange things to your liking, you'd have done it already. You wouldn't be sitting here whining about how unfair life is. You'll just sit here, fantasize about how awesome it'd be, and die miserable decades later.

>>54702442
yeah not like you're not broadcasting your ramblings and gender with that OP and this thread

>>54702644
see >>54702108

Either participate or fuck off, nobody wants to hear about your real life genitals

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>>54698558
>MILF Dairy Maid.
Fable pretty much catered to such fantasies of mine.

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>>54701774
I needed those sides, anon.

>>54701982
Fetishize either and cuck them with Chad Tundercock

>>54701436
More like
ITT: Multiple people get butthurt because someone else has different values that conflict with and denigrate their own.

>>54697376
>>54697720
because most white nerds who buy this shit don't want to fantasize about fucking a nigger.

>>54701982
>Murderhobo adventurer
+Live like a king, get to see the world
-Probably die horribly either because of said murderhobo or their enemies

>Village peasant
-Live like a peasant, don't get to see the world
-Probably die horribly due to famine, pestilence, or war

>>54700857
This is what is best in life

>>54701617
Maybe she just made all the same decisions as you. You're basically saying you wouldn't even fuck yourself.

>>54701941
>>54701822
Are you a real person, or is this some meta-commentary pretentious art joke? Either way, I'm going to screen cap these responses and use them in the class I teach as examples of poor writing. Thanks, I guess.

>>54702126
It's experience and self reflection. You have to get out there and get with people, to know what you like and don't like, to understand what works in a relationship, to have some goddamn life experience. You say it's shallow hedonistic play, but play is intrinsic to how mammals learn anything.

You want to shoot for the perfect setup without understanding what an even functional setup looks like. It's like trying to be a martial arts master without ever sparring with another human being.

>>54688396
Nigga go watch Ed Edd n Eddy right fucking now, all 5 seasons + the specials and movie.

>>54706190
>being this much of a passive-aggressive gayboy
You're way more embarrassing than the dude you're pretending to be superior to, man.

>>54703026
I need to play Fable

>>54684633
Words of wisdom: you can't shake a whore tree and expect a wife to fall out of it.

>>54706256
Hedonistic casual sex is not conducive to forming a lasting monogamous relationship

>>54708334
the best experience(as in learning a lot) was when i decided to stay with a girlfriend even with all the problems(non cheating ones) thats how you learn how real relationships work

>>54708651
Holy shit, it's like having monogamous relationships is a good thing

Are you fags still arguing about this shit HOURS later?

Just let the poor guy be

Women cheat, you gotta deal with it.
I had a female friend who confided some stuff to me (inb4 friendzoned, I had a gf when I met her, and we just stayed friends). She honestly wasn't a garbage person, she really did love the guy and felt very guilty afterwards. Still couldn't help cheating with an ex. He never learned about it, they're still together and afaik she never cheated again.

A lot of men cheat too though.

>>54708719
Only garbage humans cheat on their loved ones

>>54708674
You keep implying that a monogamous successful relationship can only come to be if it's the first relationship of both people involved. You can find a good partner and have all of what you said you want even if said partner had sex before meeting you.
With sound like a creep because you don't want a good wife to have a family, you want a virgin girl so you don't feel insecure about yourself when she compares you with previous experience.

there is still hope for you though, me and most of my friends found virgin gfs. In some cases at the age of 25 and the girl being cute

>>54708884
> You keep implying that a monogamous successful relationship can only come to be if it's the first relationship of both people involved.
Statistically speaking, that's the only time it's likely to occur. Once you get people who are past their first partner, relationships are much more likely to fail than succeed. If you get in a relationship with someone and you're not their first, better than 50/50 chance it won't last.

>>54708884
>You keep implying that a monogamous successful relationship can only come to be if it's the first relationship of both people involved

I am not saying that that's the only way a successful relationship can happen, however statistically it is more likely that way. The notion that people need to fuck around and "find themselves" before they can have a monogamous relationship is bullshit.

>With sound like a creep because you don't want a good wife to have a family, you want a virgin girl so you don't feel insecure about yourself when she compares you with previous experience

No, I simply hold the girl to the same standards as to I hold myself. How in the hell is that so unreasonable?
I haven't fucked around and half a dozen relationships before the age of 25. Why the fuck is it creepy for me to desire to have a relationship with a person who has a similar past as I?

>>54701982
Just claim Barmaid (male) for yourself.

>>54708985
You keep applying a false dichotomy. Not being a virgin is not the same as fucking around every weekend. You can have a relationship for it to fail years later. For your same reasoning: if you ever get what you want and you lose her for whatever reason you are banned from sex and relationships for all your life.

And you are no holding the girl to the same standards. That would imply that finding a partner to be with is as easy for as it is for her. For you it's harder to fuck around, so you have an easier time remaining a virgin than any girl will ever have.

>Why the fuck is it creepy for me to desire to have a relationship with a person who has a similar past as I?
Because the main trait you are exposing you want on a partner is that it's a virgin and this has nothing to do with the quality of said person as a partner. Like wise, you are only holding this standard on regards to sex life, you are not saying you want a person that had a similar childhold or a similar family structure, you say you want a virgin.

>>54709067
>Not being a virgin is not the same as fucking around every weekend. You can have a relationship for it to fail years later.

True, but how many failed relationships that involved sex that actually were serious attempts at forming lasting monogamous relationships, can one realistically have had upon reaching the age of 24?
2-4 at best.

>And you are no holding the girl to the same standards
Yes I am.

>That would imply that finding a partner to be with is as easy for as it is for her. For you it's harder to fuck around, so you have an easier time remaining a virgin than any girl will ever have.

No shit it is easier for girls to fuck around. Nobody disputes that. However, nothing FORCES girls to be promiscuous. It is their damn choice, and their failure of moral character to act in such a way, and I sure as hell will judge them on that. I have zero interest in sex unless it is with the person I intend to have children with and spend the rest of my life with. I expect my partner to hold the same conviction, because if she doesn't, she is simply not compatible with me and my values.

> it's a virgin and this has nothing to do with the quality of said person as a partner
Yes it does.

> Like wise, you are only holding this standard on regards to sex life, you are not saying you want a person that had a similar childhold or a similar family structure, you say you want a virgin.
Wrong, I wouldn't accept a virgin gf if her values radically differed from mine.

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>>54675723
>not the evil assassin girl who was brainwashed by a cult into believing her only purpose in existing is to kill you, but then you reform her and she falls in love with you instead
pleb choices, OP

>>54709256
Ashi was an awful and the romance subplot was worse

>>54709187
>2-4 at best
Then non virgins are okay? Because you didn't say that.

>Yes I am.
No you are not. You are make a whole lot of implications and assumptions based on the fact that a person have had sex even once. A girl that has been raped, tricked, drugged or otherwise had sex without being a harlot is also not good enough for you. (I'm not saying that this is literally true, I'm saying this is what people think when you say you want a virgin gf).
A girl is more likely to suffer pressure from males to have sex with them. While on the other part the most probable thing is that this never happened to you (or at most once or twice). It is harder for her to remain virgin in her environment than it is for you in yours. So the standard is not the same for both of you.

>Yes it does.
No it doesn't. People can have sex with long lasting relationships that end wrong. People can be forced into sex. People can change the way they view the world from their teens into adulthood.
You are basing all of this in a statistic that correlates amount of previous sexual partners and stability of marriage. Without understanding the whole context and why this comes to be a thing. Disregarding perfectly valid partners, because you think the chances of it failing are greater, because you can't into statistics.

>Wrong, I wouldn't accept a virgin gf if her values radically differed from mine.
But you didn't say that. You said you want a virgin gf

>>54709274
h8rs guna h8

>>54709274
y-you take that back you big mean j-jerk

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>>54700437
>quite puzzling
>vitriol
>obvious observation
>decadent
>"why am I single?"

Because you're a fucking pretentious faggot, that's why. Why the fuck would anyone want to get with some douchebag whose "values" went out of style before any of us were born and are commonly associated with the oppression of the very people you want to date?

What woman will look at you and think "gee, I sure can't wait to be an emotionally stunted stay-at-home mom for the rest of my life, pumping out kid after kid so my faggoty insecure husband can LARP as a 'real man' because he can't make jack shit with his fucking edgy philosophy degree"?

You're the problem, not society. Women now have the ability to choose their mates, which means your virgin status is a reflection of your competitive shortcomings, not some flaw in everyone else's perception of you. They're seeing you quite clearly, and they're not impressed. You want that to change, you have to make yourself desirable, which means dropping the fucking half-baked fedora-core bullshit you spout.

>>54709378
>oppression
Get out.

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>>54709378
>Calls someone pretentious
>for 8th grade vocab
Are you sure you're not just a retard?

Also
>Just forget your core values and accept that romantic relationships are self interested market transactions where you have to be competitive you fedora!
Gee anon, I wonder why he doesn't just change his view of the world and come over to your side when you make such compelling arguments.

>>54699618
Become a muslim.

Retard.
>wanting to spend time and effort on a girl that can't suck dick and just lies still like a corpse when you penetrate her

>>54709528
Because his "core values" are why he's miserable.

>>54709577
Yes, and? Do you really think people just choose what to believe based on how happy it makes them? That core beliefs about how the world ought to work if you just take a moment to realize that you'd enjoy things more if you didn't believe what you truly believe? Do you just not understand how human selves work?

>>54709378
Wait... I thought women choose a guy because they're attracted to him. But apparently, it's all about "competitive shortcomings" and "oppressive values", eh?

The irony in this discussion is that both sides are fucking fedoras, one is a mgtow incel and the other is a m'lady white knight. Marvelous.

>>54709607
No, because like most zealots, he doesn't quite see his ideological opponents as entirely human.

>>54709577
>>54709378
Wait what. So you're saying, you choose personal values based on whether you'll get pussy? Wow. And I thought the other guy was a fucking neckbeard.

>>54700437
It's almost impossible for women to stay virgins in this day and age, unless she's very sheltered, antisocial, or mentally challenged. If you want to stick to your principles, you either have to join some strict religious community, go for the aforementioned less desirable girls, or settle for a conservative girl who's only done it a few times.

>>54709608
>I thought women choose a guy because they're attracted to him
That's a right laugh mate. The guy basically just stated dating choices in the context of rational agents as seen through the lens of sociology/GT. Humans choose partners generally in a way that is roughly rational and hinges on innate preferences (such as physical attractiveness) and learned personal preferences.

>>54675723

Barmaid.

She can sneak you free drinks.

>>54709713
Yeah because people are cold calculating machines who always rationally choose the most socially advantageous partner

>>54698558

Baker's daughter. 300 percent.

>>54709769
I'd put it more "Partner that is of the greatest intrinsic and personal value to the selector who is available at the time."

But yeah pretty much, though I wouldn't say it's "cold" given that emotional reasoning based on likes and dislikes is a key part of partner selection.

>>54709659

Just gonna pop in here to say that there are some downsides to the strict religious community model. On the one hand, the women ain't all fucked up uppity whores like most of the women I meet who are outside said community. On the other hand trying to be good enough for them is a fucking pain in the dick. Moral of the story is if you want a high quality woman you gotta make yourself a high quality man. It's damn hard, but it's gonna be sweet in the end. I hope. If all this work ends up coming back to bite me in the ass I'm gonna go off the rails.

>>54709829
Are you some sort of ladder theorist, or something? Life is not an RPG, it's much more chaotic

>>54709885
> Life is not an RPG, it's much more chaotic
What does that statement have to do with anything I have pointed out so far? People make generally rationally informed decisions that they believe will benefit them. Partner selection is no exception. Though of course no one can ever pick a partner which satisfies every single criteria that they may have, people do generally end up with -out of their social group at least- the "best" or "most pleasing" possible partner who will reciprocate. What constitutes best is of course up to personal taste, but that doesn't invalidate what I have said.

>Ladder theory
I'm not sure what you are talking about, do you mean the stable marriage theorem? That's that's more maths than real world.

>>54710019

>Rational decisions
>Love

Choose one.

>>54706179
Would YOU fuck yourself?
I wouldn't, I'm a terrible catch

>>54710019
>people do generally end up with -out of their social group at least- the "best" or "most pleasing" possible partner who will reciprocate.
That doesn't mean that "best" or "most pleasing" is in any way objective or rationally explainable.

>Ladder theory
I don't remember the specifics, something about people choosing partners who are lower than themselves on some sort of value ladder, and switching when someone higher on the ladder becomes available.

>>54709313
>Then non virgins are okay?
Of course, but not ideal.

>A girl is more likely to suffer pressure from males to have sex with them
This is not an excuse for promiscuous behavior at all.

>It is harder for her to remain virgin in her environment than it is for you in yours.
No it isn't. She may have more temptations, true, but unless she is forces to sex, she can always decline.
Her failure to do so is entirely her own fault.

>No it doesn't. People can have sex with long lasting relationships that end wrong. People can be forced into sex. People can change the way they view the world from their teens into adulthood.
Person being raped is quite a different thing than person willingly acting promiscuously. And even if they change their world view later in life that doesn't erase their past.

>Without understanding the whole context and why this comes to be a thing. Disregarding perfectly valid partners, because you think the chances of it failing are greater, because you can't into statistics.
What do you think that I don't understand about those statistics?

>>54709378
Are you capable of argumentation or is attacking strawmen with baseless insults more your style?

>>54709378
>oppression
The body of your message is alright, but people who use that word generally need a short drop and a sudden stop.

>>54710063
"Love is irrational" is a meme. You've been lied to

>>54710019
>>54710143
What MGTOWs and the like refer to as hypergamy?

>>54709313
>A girl is more likely to suffer pressure from males to have sex with them. While on the other part the most probable thing is that this never happened to you (or at most once or twice). It is harder for her to remain virgin in her environment than it is for you in yours. So the standard is not the same for both of you.
I'm pretty sure women aren't shamed and socially pressured for being virgins as much as men. In fact, women are more often shamed for having an active sex life than for being a virgin.

>>54710063
What, you think love is something something magical and inexplicable? Mate, it's a emotional state which activates in response to stimuli which indicate that someone is a good partner.

Again emotions =/= irrational, emotions are crucial modes of cognition which inform our behaviors in a social environment.

>>54710143
>That doesn't mean that "best" or "most pleasing" is in any way objective or rationally explainable.
I never said it was objective, but it is not impossible to explain rationally, it is just difficult as for the most part the calculations one does are at a subconscious or emotional level. Most people have at least enough introspection powers to know they like someone for whatever reasons they have, maybe because they share their values, or make them feel "good", or they find them physically attractive. Choosing such a partner is of course a rational choice, even if it is not an objective choice.

>I don't remember the specifics, something about people choosing partners who are lower than themselves on some sort of value ladder, and switching when someone higher on the ladder becomes available.
Sounds like hypergamy, or it might possibly just be the common findings that human happiness with mate selection is usually related to how well off they are in relative terms. I recall seeing findings on how as people became aware that they had a less attractive mate than other people in their cohort their happiness with the pairing declined. Can't recall the name of the study or where I saw it though, so you'll either have to take my word on it, sorry.