This is Nahiri, she ruined Innistrad Say something nice about her

>>54674667
I like how her simply existing is enough to hurt WotC.

>>54674667

Sorin deserved what he got. Time and time again, he made the situation worse (both with Nahiri and with Nissa) because he was physically incapable of not being an asshole to people.

If Sorin wasn't such a dumb motherfucker, the Eldrazi would still be sealed.

>>54674667
Eh, i'd still fuck her

>>54674745
Haven't you heard to never stick your dick in crazy?

>>54674667
I've seen one good porn pic of her.

>>54674667
Her reaction to the situation she found herself in was entirely understandable, and in all honesty?

Sorin had it coming.

>>54674745
Tpbp

That's the nicest thing we can say about Nahiri

She's real fun to play with in Modern and using het to summon Emrakul is a cool flavourwin

>>54674717
>>54674925
Sorin refusing to apologize and explain himself was a mistake.
Nahiri deciding to attack Sorin was worse.
Sorin refusing to deescalate the situation was even worse than that.
Nahiri playing out her grudge against Sorin by ruining the lives of innocent people on Innistrad was worst of all.

Both of them were shit.

>>54675044
>He was rude
>She committed genocide

>They are both equally bad :^)

>>54675082
You'll notice I said Nahiri's actions were worst of the two.

>>54675082
Didnt sorin imprison her for like 6000 years or something?

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>>54675082
I've said it before, I'll say it again - piss off Sorin, and he will come after you with utter precision and end you, personally. Notice how his original card's -3 interacts perfectly with Sorin's Vengeance, and notice how Sorin's Vengeance costs only 1 more than Sorin Markov himself. Indeed, everything about Sorin's card involves specific targeting, be it a creature or a player.

Now look at Nahiri. Notice how her very first ability involves discarding a card from your hand - in Magic terms, synonymous with losing your mind. Notice how her second ability can only target the field, not your opponent - not the thing you actually have to destroy to win a game of magic. Then notice how Nahiri's ultimate STILL doesn't involve you directly targeting the opponent. It doesn't even involve her doing it. It involves getting something else to do her own dirty work.

Now look at Nahiri's Wrath. It can be played before she can be (2R as opposed to 2RW) - that is, she has already decided to act before she's even shown up to assess the situation. Look at its additional cost: discard cards. Drive yourself insane.

And its effect? Damage to creatures and planeswalkers. Not your opponent. Not you real target. Nahiri's Wrath is all about Nahiri going insane in order to lash out at everything around her foe, rather than her foe himself.

Nahiri is a rabid animal. She needs to be put down. I'd argue that even after Nicol Bolas' actions in Amonkhet, Nahiri is STILL the single greatest threat to the Multiverse. Bolas has sme plan, and things that are not part of the plan are safe. Nahiri just madly strikes at anything that earns her ire. She's an utter psychopath.

>>54674785
No, i've heard to tie crazy down, have your fun, and leave.

>>54675241

Walkers are shit and you have autism.

>>54674667
I have no idea what Innistrad is, so I couldn't care less

>>54674667
You're game is garbage, and you're waifu a shit.

>>54675331
lol no u

>>54674667
She is a white lady with the features of a black lady.

>>54675241
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>>54675241
well Sorin shouldn't have thrown her in a sensory deprivation chamber for a thousand years.

and she isn't a threat to anywhere or anyone but Sorin and the things Sorin claims for his own, she's an oldwalker, none of them give a fuck about people's lives, Sorin included.

in her mind, EMrakul was going to tear up SOMEWHERE, and it would have, so it tearing up Innistrad is simply the best outcome, especially since Sorin is one of the main reasons Emrakul and Co. are loose anyways.

Nahiri shows what intense, world shattering rage will get you, when you fuck someone so hard that they will do absolutely anything to ruin you, and everything you love (she isn't mad at all, as by all the story's she's in, she's just incredibly angry)

>>54674785
“Buy the ticket, take the ride...” - Hunter S Thompson

>>54675487
Sorin should have tried to explain but nahiri shouldn't have thrown her autistic fit that landed her in jail
Keep in mind she is an old walker
1000 years in demon jail should be nothing for them

>>54675616
It would've made for an interesting story if being thrown in gay baby jail had kept her Spark from being affected by the Mending.

>>54675616
except it is something, and would be something to anyone, even Demon's were driven mad by the Helvault, as its more than just sensory deprivation.

she came out of the Helvault better than most, but still damaged by it.

what sent her over the edge is going to Zendikar.. and seeing Ulamog thrash up the place, poor timing, as if she waited a week or so, 2 of the titans would be dead, but she was told, and fully believed, that the Eldrazi Titan's were unbeatable.

so this enormous betrayal and shock broke her and she swore to do any thing to get Sorin back.

to those saying its "petty" they don't understand, they have never suffered such a tragedy of betrayal and such a loss.

>>54675241
The author is dead.

>>54675737
It's petty to target Innistrad instead of Sorin himself.

>>54675737
Look at this fucking apologist

>>54675221
A thousand years in his demon dungeon. With very pissed off demons looking to take it out on something. Thankfully Avacyn came along eventually and Nahiri could take a break from probably getting triple-teamed.

>>54675737
Yeah, no, she still involved countless tens of thousands of uninvolved people. Possibly millions - we don't know how far Emrakul's influence spread.

That's petty. If she wanted to get Sorin back, she should have gone after him, MAYBE his family. But not Innistrad.

She deserves no sympathy, and her motives are understandable only from the perspective of madmen.

Also, 1,000 years ago, Sorin may have done nothing to de-escalate the situation, but Nahiri was the one who escalated it each time. She's the one who went from "Sorin-sempai~!!" to "I'm gonna fucking chop off your arms and legs and drag you to Zendikar" inside of 5 minutes' worth of conversation.

>>54675840
That's not what happened. She barely interacted with the demons in the Helvault.

>The others began to impact Nahiri, to glance off her in the endless darkness. She never saw them—that had not changed—but she heard them, shrieking, in the last instant before they struck. A talon here, a wing there, a momentary contact with a patch of nameless, inhuman flesh. And then gone, back into the darkness.

>She marked time by those distractions, by those brief and senseless run-ins with the things that inhabited the dark. She did not hate them, even when their numbers swelled and their impacts against her not-quite-body grew more frequent, and more painful. She had no love for demons—had put down more than one to keep them from plaguing her world—but she did not hate them. Not here.

Then later:

>The demons swarmed the angel, shrieking and flapping. They'd left Nahiri alone all these years, glanced off her only incidentally. But they knew their jailer. They knew their only chance for vengeance.

For emphasis:
>They'd left Nahiri alone all these years, glanced off her only incidentally.

>>54675762
Oldwalker. Its a perfectly reasonable decision for one to make.

>>54674667
She's a dumb egocentric whore. She's cute i guess.

>>54675841
>Nahiri was the one who escalated it each time

With one exception. After Avacyn appeared, Nahiri was not in a position to keep fighting. Sorin had her cornered, had backup, and was in control of the situation. It was an escalation to stuff her in the Helvault at that point.

>>54675933
Are you saying it's not petty because she's an oldwalker or are you dismissing it because all the oldwalkers were petty cunts most of the time?

>>54675221
She attacked him when he was weakened. Not much of a choice.

>>54675977
Yeah, well, Sorin *is* a dick, and besides which, he'd already offered several times to end the conflict, warned her against starting it. And Sorin was there to watch her go from "Sorin is my teacher and friend" to "DIE DIE VAMPTHING!" inside of 5 minutes.

He'd probably thought she'd gone insane. He probably wasn't wrong. I can perfectly understand how Sorin would reach the logical conclusion that the Helvault was the only place for her.

Reminder that Nahiri saved countless other planes by attracting Emrakul to Innistrad so the Gatewatch could seal her.

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>>54674667
She has a cool name.

>>54674717
>he made the situation worse
>with Nissa
LITERALLY
>I'm gonna release the Eldrazi and save Zendikar!
>Don't. That's retarded.
>It's a great idea! I'll save Zendikar by releasing eldritch abominations upon it!
>Motherfucking idiot. I'm out!
>ZENDIKAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

>>54675762
As far as she knows, Sorin destroyed Zendikar. And did so as an acceptable sacrifice to keep his pet plane safe a couple eons longer. Going for said pet plane is only logical, as far as vengeance goes.

Of course, the reality is that Nahiri left her own plane to die when the situation was entirely salvageable (and did get salvaged in the end) and then decided to commit plane-wide genocide as retaliation for a slight that's pretty much all in her head. But she doesn't know that.

It will be extremely interesting once she does learn the truth. It will break her.

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>>54674667
She really made her classmate's life less boring, when she was younger.

>>54676204
>It will break her.
I don't think she's nice of a person anymore to care that much. She'll feel frustrated at best.

>>54676204
>it will break her
Nope, it will do nothing, she is devoid of any empathy now, she killed millions of innocent civilians with a smile in her face. Knowing the truth will do nothing.

>>54676237
She cared about Zendikar. Learning that she could have helped stopping the death of her plane and instead did nothing is bound to have some effect on her.

She won't regret a thing about Innistrad and Sorin though, yes.

>>54676271
>>54675841

except Emrakul was going to fuck somewhere up, she simply decided where Somewhere was.

you act as if she made Emrakul do anything, Emrakul would have either fucked up Zendikar, some other plane, or one directed by her, she chose Innistrad.

a nuclear bomb was going to go off, she just chose her sworn enemies homeworld.

>>54676324
also Innistrad doesn't really have that many innocent people left, its a shithole, out of all the planes, its gotta be in the top 5 planes with the least to lose.

Grixis being probably number 1, but now that its connected to the rest of Alara, not so much.

>>54676324
Dude, you should warm up first before doing such mental gymnastics, you're going to torn a tendon.

>>54676204
None of that makes it less petty.

>>54676324
>>54676344
>These mental gymnastics
Yeah, sure, leading Emrakul around by the nose instead of, I don't know, trying to stop her makes perfect sense. If you're a tremendously stupid cunt.

>>54676567
she had no idea how to do that, it wasn't in her conceptual ability to figure out.

I agree that would be the thing to do.. if she even thought it possible, and it turns out it WASN'T

only Emrakul could stop Emrakul.

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>>54674667
her little figurin could have look way worst...
you may say it look terrible...
but at the end it could be worst...

>>54674667
She looks like she gives great head and her planeswalker cards are pretty fun.

That's all the positive points I can think off

>>54676541
Avenging the mass murder of everyone you've known and loved is petty now? Because that's just about the way Nahiri sees it. That and the millenia of solitary confinment in Demon Dungeon.

She's entirely wrong, extremely misinformed and more than a little crazy but not really petty.

>>54676583
>she had no idea how to do that

Sure, it's not like she was part of a team that explicitly did that once already.

>>54676590
>Avenging the mass murder of everyone you've known and loved is petty now?

It is if you target people who weren't responsible.

>>54676622
Hey now, that's how vengeance is done. You don't go "hey, you killed my extended family, I'll kill you." No, you kill their extended family.

That's what Nahiri did. Sorin destroyed her plane and reduced her to powerlessness while he did, she destroyed his plane and left her to watch unable to do anything about it. An eye for an eye.

You have no concept of justice.

>>54676682
>sorin destroyd her plane
But he didn't and she fixed the problem by herself

>>54676682
>No, you kill their extended family.
If you're petty.

>>54676682
>Sorin destroyed her plane
That's a bit farfetched.
He used an astronomical amount of his powers to create a being that would save his dying plane and an artifact that would make the plane harder to detect. Incidentally, it also made it harder for signals to reach it, meaning he never got Nahiri's message.
Sure, he should have jumped here and now to check if everything was alright, but once again, he was really weakened.
He's a selfish jerk when it comes to his plane, but you could tell he was surprised about the message thing during the story.

>>54676614
its out of her capabilities, she could only do those things as an Old Walker, the hedron's were completly fucked and she couldn't fix them.

she knew it was screwed, the old way to seal them was impossible by the time she got back.

>>54676974
you misunderstand, as far as Nahiri knows, the Eldrazi are loose because Sorin did nothing to stop them, and this is partially true, he failed to recontain them and brought an element, Nissa, to the situation that let them loose.

>>54675241
2*Pi/10

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>>54677343

>defending nahiri
>ever
male feminist detected

>>54677368
Mother of god

>>54675082
Yeah, imprisoning someone for a few thousand years to be raped by demons is "being rude".

I wanna sit on Sorin's face

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>>54674667
Nice knife

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>>54675241
Damn. That Psych degree with a minor in English Lit is paying off.

That's some deep analysis.

>>54674667

Nice sword.

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>>54676324
During one of the stories where the Gatewatch are trying to stop Emrakul - if not the moon-sealing story itself - Nissa finally gets into contact with the soul of the plane, and finds herself abhorred at how all the undead, ghosts, demons and shit all fighting against the humans is actually par for the course and it likes that.

I think even Emrakul says to Jace during her mind fuckery of him and the rest of the group that she was tricked into coming here because of what Nahiri did to the leylines, and yhat Innistrad is actually still a "healthy world," and doesn't need to get devoured yet.

Which is why she is napping in the moon; the moment the plane is dying she'll break out and eat it, like she pre-cooked her food before going to bed.

>>54677457
Too bad the guy who made these kind of dropped doing art and MtG as a whole. The stuff he made was heavy with innuendo and wasn't entirely unpleasant to look at.

As far as I know though, he only ever made PG or PG-13 drawings, no NSFW stuff... Except maybe for one or two boobies pics of Liliana, I'm not sure. This was back during the first Innistrad and RTR block that I remember his art being seen the most.

>>54674667

In a game with very few decent-looking waifus, she's okay.

>>54676324
>>54679687
There are plenty of worlds out there Nahiri could have guided Emrakul to. Truly dead worlds like the artificially created (Old) Phyrexia or Serra's Realm or a worlds like Equilor on which all progress has already halted. Or hell, she could have brought Emrakul to any Phyrexian controlled world like Elspeth homeplane or New Phyrexia and have two threats to the multiverse fight each other.

Also, the Eldrazi are entities of the Blind Eternities, Emrakul could have just fucked off floating there for a few centuries.

Nahiri is a genocidal cunt and should be put down.

>>54676027
So? She could done it literally anywhere. There must be planes not filled with innocent people or at least not many.

>>54674667
my first constructed deck was Zendikar Kor, and my magic veteran used Sorin and drain life to bully people.
so yeah, fuck the vampire

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>>54675366
I noticed that too, here first pic was better desu, aka pic related.

>>54680080


It's a fucking crime they don't commission UDON for more artwork

>>54674667
She made what had previously been the most boring plane into an interesting world.

>>54675993
Because he refused to walk around Zendikar with her to check on the Eldrazi prison. She just wanted him to reaffirm his commitment to keeping the Eldrazi sealed, and he refused.

>>54675366
What are you dumb?

>>54678895
Except they didn't do anything to her.
>>54675924

>>54680332
Of course they didn't, MTG is PG 13.

>>54680429
Well, Nahiri did rape Sorin with hedrons.

>>54680429

Even if it wasn't Nahiri is also much more powerful than any demon. They wouldn't be able to lay a finger on her if she didn't want them too.

>>54674667
Her sword is pretty cool

>>54674667
She did nothing wrong.

>>54675993
>It's better to trap your friend in a sensationless void for six thousand years and leave the god prison unprotected than take an owie for being rude

Fuck Sorin.

>>54674667
I'm going to yuck it up when Mardu Sorin gives her the pale dick.

I mean I'm the kind of asshole that plays white weenie token spam so I really like her. Also if Sorin's answer to the question "Why haven't you been answering your phone asshole? I called you like ten times." wasn't "Um yeah the thing is...HELLVAULT!" then she probably wouldn't have gone cookoo for coco puffs in the first place.

>>54675933
And yet the oldwalker she has beef with wouldn't even consider ending a world over it.

>>54675487
Elf Hitler was the only reason the Eldrazi went loose, Sorin just kinda was like "wow, good job Nissa you ruined everything, Im out"

>>54683125
>why didn't you answer! You said you would answer!
>look I'm not at my best can we do this l
>I'LL MAKE YOU COME WITH ME
She earned her prison sentence and the fiery revenge when they free my boy Sorin.

You know what the best way to end this storyline is?
Nahiri realieses she made a mistake so she goes to break sorin free, but sorin is already gone
Sorin then goes and literally rapes zendikar with a shit ton of demons he became bros with

>>54683273
>implying they aren't BOTH going to be mad as fuck at Ugin for telling them that the Eldrazi can't be killed

>>54683273

Sorin was still treating her like a newbie nobody, all because he is 1000 years older than her.

When you are 1000 and she is 30? Thats fine.

When you are 7000 and she is 6000? Its just being an asshole. Sorin was never going to take her seriously unless she made him. He deserved to get slapped around a bit and reminded that they equals.

>>54683273
>Sorin
>getting out of his box
>ever
It'll only happen if they decide to bring him back as an antagonist.

>>54674890

I require links for... research.

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>>54683307
Sorin is too focused for that. When he breaks out it will be a solo vengeance train aimed at Nahiri and anyone who gets in the way.

>>54674667
>This passes for a human in a zealous anti non humans set
The fuck?

>>54683403
Or if they want to push him as a WBR planeswalker.

>>54683307
Sorin, like Nahiri, no doubt assumes Zendikar is extinct at this point.

>>54675241
Can you do something for the other walkers too?

>>546837
Pretty sure Jace would have mentioned about them killing the titans during his encounter with Sorin

I completely missed SoI, can someone give me a rundown?

What happened to the dreamboat necromancer and his edgy sister? What's the current state of the plane?

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>>54684360
Well, there's not really a conclusive answer to the state of the plane because Wizards thought that time would be better spent writing their latest diversity planeswalker. All we know is that it is some varying degrees of fucked because most of the known inhabitants got made into cthulhus, all but Sigarda and some of her flight are dead, Emrakul locked herself in the moon because she suddenly cares about how much a plane likes her, and the church is basically in ruin thanks to Ormendahl manipulating it into an inquisition. If I missed anything it's because the lore was kind of shitty and I didn't care. Uh... Sorin got fucked in the ass by rocks and is currently locked in rock jail and no one cares. Best siblings got a shared card and are probably alive because they're a fan favorite. We did get some cool art, though, and I think Skulk should've hung around as evergreen or semi-evergreen.

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>>54674745
That's all the good I'd have for her. She's probably one hell of a ride.

I can't say anything else good for the person who got our favorite Gothic angel killed.

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>>54685558
It will never stop hurting.

>>54684519
>Well, there's not really a conclusive answer to the state of the plane because Wizards thought that time would be better spent writing their latest diversity planeswalker.
There isn't a conclusive answer to the state of the plane so they don't write themselves into a corner which is what they keep doing and most recently learned they fucked up by doing with BFZ the set before.

Also we don't know why Emrakul locked herself away.

SOI was legitimately a good set and story no matter how angry you are that Wizards dared to make use of the fact their set up allows them to be able to cross things from different worlds and sicced the Eldrazi on Innistrad. It's going to be exactly the same when we return to it anyway except with more cultists and maybe random stray eldrazi since the plane now encompasses all types of horror instead of just specifically "gothic" horror (it's really hammer horror but whatever, I guess the tone is more gothic, but they specifically wanted to evoke horror movie tropes in INN).

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>>54686043
>Elaborate on what's even left of society on the plane
>Write themselves into a corner

Whatever you say, anon.

>SOI was legitimately a good set and story no matter how angry you are

I hope this is bait.

>Wizards dared to make us of the fact that their set up allows them to be able to cross things from different worlds

This isn't the first time Magic's done this, you idiot. I still have Planeshift cards sitting on my desk. I said the writing was bad because the story was muddled, yet again the Gatewatch took the spotlight away from the plane and its inhabitants, and the writers had Emrakul seal herself away because they'd written themselves into a corner. I suppose Shadows Over Innistrad itself wasn't bad, but Eldritch Moon was a fucking trash fire. You're right about it being Hammer Horror, though.

>>54676324
That doesn't absolve her in the slightest. Sure, Emrakul might have fucked up somewhere, but Nahiri still chose to bring her to Innistrad. It's the equivalent of trying to claim that you're not a bad person just because you left a trail of meat for a rabid pit bull to follow to a playground full of toddlers.

>>54676344
We've only seen a small portion of Innistrad, an area roughly the size of, say, France or MAYBE all of Western Europe. The lore team has confirmed that it's a full planet, however, with different continents, all of them full of people.

Nahiri's grand master plan was to let all those people die in order to get back at ONE person.

>>54679979
More to the point, we shouldn't try and act like directing Emrakul to a "dying" plane was her goal. She wanted to hurt Sorin. That was her sole goal.

>>54683801
Not really, no. None of the others deserve so much attention as the Nahiri v. Sorin thing. Becuase Nahiri fags are just objectively wrong. Sorin is an asshole and a bad person...but Nahiri is an utter monster, a rabid dog. She needs to be put down for the safety of the Multiverse.

>>54683429
Well, she's not a vampire (no fangs, not cold to the touch), not a zombie (not rotting or stitched together), not a ghost (corporeal), and not a werewolf (not a giant lupine murder machine). Since she's got a general humanoid bodyshape and is not like ten feet tall, that obviously means she's human because, for an Innistradi, there is nothing else she COULD be.

>>54686043
I'll completely agree that Shadows Over Innistrad is a great set. Eldritch Moon? Less so.

>>54674667
Sorin deserved what he got.

>>54683823

Didn't happen. There wasn't time.

Avacyn attacks Jace and Tamiyo. Sorin shows up to deal with Avacyn and politely offers her the opportunity to finish killing these two planeswalkers before they go and deal with actually important things. Avacyn targets him instead, because VAMPIRE.

Avacyn and Sorin chase each other around a bit, fight, and Sorin destroys her. Emrakul shows up immediately after, now that Avacyn is no longer holding her back. Sorin leaves in a huff to go gather the forces to push in Nahiri's face.

Jace literally never sees Sorin before or after this brief encounter.

>>54686218
>I hope this is bait.
Tell me why it's not instead of generalized bullshit "criticisms" like "the story was muddled" like that means anything by itself.

The story HAD the gatewatch IN IT, but the story was about Nahiri and Sorin. The gatewatch were thrown into the mix because Jace was looking for Sorin. And in EMN Tamiyo was the only one who actually had the potential to deal with Emrakul, though yes EMN was a lot about Liliana, but not the Gatewatch in general and it wasn't all on her.

Just because you have a random hateboner for the Gatewatch doesn't make the story inherently bad. How they used them was actually very good, especially for the Lovecraftian cosmic horror tone they were going (which they kind of failed in my opinion in the end by actually having Emrakul show up and be the final boss in the end, but that's just one part). These much greater, more powerful forces fighting amongst themselves have thrown the plane into turmoil, and Jace and Tamiyo have to figure out why. The GW were "experiencing" it. They dive deeper and deeper and discover this otherworldly, hyper powerful conspiracy behind the goings on. It's very very good compared to a lot of their stuff. I know it's cool o hate on the Magic story but they'll never get anything right if you don't actually hand it to them when they get closer. There are individual things I hate like the irrelevance of Arlinn Kord or the movie style finale they are very fond of nowadays not really fitting the cosmic horror tone but in general I believe they did pretty damn good.

I don't know what you mean about "writing themselves into a corner". What I meant was that, for example, with BFZ they ended ROE on the Eldrazi are her and there's a war. So they felt when they came back to it in BFZ, the block was about the war, and not about Zendikar's general themes of danger and adventure. They wrote a set up in the previous block in a way that made them have to come back in a way that wasn't correct.

Really, the true villain of the story was the creative team.
In order to make the story even work, they made both Sorin AND Nahiri act completely unlike how they've shown them to be previously - including retconning things they'd written less than a year prior, nevermind older stuff - all to have them fight each other.
And the only reason any of that was in the least bit necessary at all was for the 'Emrakul traps herself in the moon' bit. You could drop Nahiri from the story entirely and just have Emrakul there because she followed Sorin and everything else would be exactly the same.

>>54686372
But did Innistrad?

>>54686430
>In order to make the story even work, they made both Sorin AND Nahiri act completely unlike how they've shown them to be previously
We'd seen Nahiri written like, in one story before and that was before she'd been petrified under ground watching over Zendikar for a thousand years or whatever, and Sorin was 100% acting correctly in line with the vague personality we usually get with these characters.

>>54686472
>>54686430
Also, I'm willing to bet cash dollars that by the time they had conceptualized the Lithomancer as Nahiri, they had already developed the story in a general sense for the currently storyline. They've said they have story beats for up to around 8 years, which matches their general timeframe for block plans, though obviously things change between then and now. But considering Nahiri was probably only reintroduced to be the antagonist of SOI, I'm pretty sure he general role and her conflict with Sorin was planned out.

>>54676019

> And Sorin was there to watch her go from "Sorin is my teacher and friend" to "DIE DIE VAMPTHING!" inside of 5 minutes.
> He'd probably thought she'd gone insane.

This would be true, IF they were not both Oldswalkers.

SOI goes out of its way to remind you how Oldswalkers acted. Which is to say, flaunting their magical power in dick measuring contests and challenging people to magic fights like its fucking Yugioh.

Lilianna tells Jace that the only time she ever met Sorin Markov was the first time she visited Innistrad. Sorin flew in, challenged her to a game of Magic: The Gathering, and after Lilianna was trounced by round 4 Sorin decided he didn't need to kill her and left. "Its how planeswalkers used to say hello."

Nahiri making her point by trying to impale Sorin with giant fucking rocks was a perfectly normal thing for two Oldswalkers to do. Under normal circumstances, that literally could not kill him. Its like bitchslapping someone to get their attention and put them in their place: embarrassing and painful, but not dangerous.

Sorin, however, realized "Oh no, a fight I might not effortlessly win!" and over reacted by pulling out the biggest guns he had instead of just letting Nahiri take him to Zendikar to do what he promised he would.

In a meta perspective, Nahiri thought she was challenging Sorin to a casual game. Sorin acted like it was for keeps.

>>54686402
>Tell me why it's not instead of generalized bullshit "criticisms" like "the story was muddled" like that means anything by itself.

I mean, I did, but I can elaborate.

Sorin had no idea where Nahiri was up until they needed the dramatic reveal, it's a flat out retcon. The Gatewatch were basically only there so they could plaster the franchise's protagonists onto it and have a big stupid action movie climax, as you admit, to the detriment of the plot of the set. You yourself bring up Arlinn Kord.

There was just a ton of shit happening that didn't need to happen. I liked the Gitrog Monster story, for instance, but it was a total fucking non-sequitur. It jumps between Jace and Tamiyo, Liliana, Nahiri, Sorin, Avacyn herself, those two lesbian hunters, and Odric and Thalia, and that's assuming I'm not forgetting anyone. Muddled isn't a bullshit criticism, the story jumps around like the crackhead at my local gas station.

The only part where they even come close to nailing the cosmic horror is the sense that Avacyn and the angels no longer give a fuck about the people, unless you think a vague air of unease and a quota of tentacles on-screen makes for good cosmic horror. All the rest is just bad pulp mystery shit that's an obvious lead-in to the cheap body horror of Eldritch Moon. Maybe if they hadn't made it fucking obvious it was going to be Emrakul before the first set even dropped, the mystery would've been a bit more exciting.

>>54686584
Oh, and since I forgot. This isn't to say you can't like the set. I'm glad you did. I don't enjoy Magic near as much as I used to, but I'm glad someone else can, even if I wish it were more like the Magic I knew and loved. I liked some parts of SOI myself, but overall I just don't think it was good.

>>54686472
>watching over Zendikar for a thousand years or whatever

5000, actually. So yeah, expecting her not to have changed at least a little in that amount of time is unreasonable.

But even if it had only been 50, she has every right to be pissed. Sorin guilt tripped her into turning her fucking home place into a giant prison for plane-eating monsters that she would have to stand guard over... forever. And when they almost break free, he doesn't show up to help because he was to busy putting up defenses around HIS home instead.

When Nahiri presses him in the 'what the fuck, Sorin?' argument, he NEVER SAYS he is too weak to go now because he made Avacyn, because that would be admitting weakness or that he made a mistake. His response is "You can't tell me what to do".

THAT is when she tries to kick him in the balls and drag him to Zendikar.

>>54674667
I thought the Lovecraft thing was a really cool addition to Innistrad.

Why'd she ruin it again? She was mad at the green lady?

>>54686570
The argument that "Oldwalkers were insane, so Nahiri isn't insane" doesn't exactly make sense, Anon.

>>54686584
>Sorin had no idea where Nahiri was up until they needed the dramatic reveal, it's a flat out retcon.
Sure, but the retcon was to something that wasn't acknowledged at all previously except in one novel that wasn't actually written by creative.
>>54686584
>The Gatewatch were basically only there so they could plaster the franchise's protagonists onto it
They were because they were the protagonsits, but the larger purpose was because the general flow the most archetype lovecraft stories, there's usually a smart guy, who discovers a small sliver or something mysterious, and then digs deeper and deeper to discover some horrible shit and getting mixed up with powers much, much greater than themselves. That was the role Jace and the Gatewatch played in the story to Sorin, Nahiri, and Emrakul. That was their purpose other than yes, they are the main characters.
>>54686584
>There was just a ton of shit happening that didn't need to happen. I liked the Gitrog Monster story, for instance, but it was a total fucking non-sequitur.
People fucking bitch constantly about how we don't have stories about the world. That was just one story about the world. Not every story has to involve or be about the larger one. Now we know that somewhere on Innistrad there's a village of people who worship hypnotoad. Great. It's not important, but not everything has to be, and isn't a criticism of the larger story anyway.
>>54686584
>It jumps between Jace and Tamiyo, Liliana, Nahiri, Sorin, Avacyn herself, those two lesbian hunters, and Odric and Thalia, and that's assuming I'm not forgetting anyone. Muddled isn't a bullshit criticism, the story jumps around like the crackhead at my local gas station.
The story involves many different people, and not just the Gatewatch, so yes, we see the many perspectives people see it. That's not "muddled", it's worldbuilding. "Muddled" implies that somehow the larger story was lost amongst the different perspectives which it was not.

>>54686638
>because he was to busy putting up defenses around HIS home instead.

That was an unintentional accident. The Helvault blocked the call as an unintended side-effect of its nature.

Rather notably, back during Zendikar, he DID show up when the Eldrazi seal began to weaken.

>>54686652

Sorin guilt tripped her into imrpisoning plane eating monsters on her plane, with the promise to help her keep the situation contained.

Shit almost got real, but no one came to help. After she puts down the problem herself, she goes looking for him and finds him on Innistrad. He didn't answer his phone because he unplugged it while setting up magic defenses around his own plane, meaning her distress signal would never get through. This is an oversight on his part, but rather than apologize about it he acts like a dick and they get into a fight. The fight ends with him locking her up in the Helvault superjail.

1000 years later, Innistrad block happens and the Helvault gets destroyed. Nahiri gets released with all of the demons and planeswalks away back to Zendikar... to find that in her absence the plane eating monsters got loose and now her home is getting eaten because she wasn't there to stop it, because Sorin locked her up.

Whats worse, there was an extra failsafe reset button that only three people knew existed. Herself, a dead guy, and Sorin. She finds it destroyed. She assumes Sorin blew it up (which is kinda true, it was his fault it was destroyed even if Nissa did it).

So Nahiri blames Sorin 3times over for the destruction of her home, and summons the biggest, baddest plane eating monster to Innistrad as a 'fuck you' to him personally. Eye for an Eye.

>>54686794
I can't actually tell how much of this is you having fun.

>>54686698
Sorry for quoting the post each time, I was doing that for the quotes and forgot to delete the post itself past the first

>>54686794
Anon, no one is denying that Sorin is a dick. He is. He absolutely is. He's a complete asshole.

But nothing - NOTHING - he did, in ANY way, justifies Nahiri attempting to Cronenberg an entire plane of existence, full of millions of innocent people who aren't even aware of the existence of other worlds, just to get back at one guy.

>>54686842
Nahiri believes Sorin doomed another entire world full of millions of innocent people who weren't even aware of the existence of other worlds.

>>54686777

Oh sure. I get he didn't mean for it to happen. But it certainly doesn't sound good when you say it out loud. Nahiri felt tricked, used, and abandoned. Feelings that Sorin didn't exactly go out of his way prove wrong.

>>54686857
And even if it were true, it still wouldn't be justification.

>>54686821

I tried not to rely too much on terminology someone not up to date on the lore wouldn't get, but its pretty accurate. You can waffle back and forth on which of them was right or wrong, but that post is essentially how Nahiri sees it.

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>>54686698
>That's not "muddled", it's worldbuilding. "Muddled" implies that somehow the larger story was lost amongst the different perspectives which it was not.

When your worldbuilding is irrelevant bullshit, it's not something most people are going to give a fuck about. It's one of the first things you learn when worldbuilding. And I guess the larger story isn't lost because it was simple as it was, but good changes in perspective like that edify what's going on, as opposed to in SOI where a lot of it just isn't useful or interesting information.

>Jace and Tamiyo: Perspective characters that we get to follow the story through.
>Liliana: Shit from her own plot thread, sure, that's cool.
>Nahiri: The antagonist, sure.
>Sorin: Pursuing the antagonist, sure.
>Avacyn: Through the eyes of madness, that's good.
>Lesbians: Great, now I know that the only two lesbians in Innistrad are outcasts the villagers hate. That sure is some worldbuilding.
>Odric and Thalia: Oh no, now the church is evil! The church was already evil, we knew the Skirsdag were deep in it from the first block.
>Gitrog Monster: Cults that don't worship Avacyn, you say?

Oh, and I forgot:

>Sigarda: My sisters are evil now, oh no!

My problem is that we get a lot of characters' view of things, but the chain of events and the characters themselves are all so flat I don't care.

>Sorry for quoting the post each time, I was doing that for the quotes and forgot to delete the post itself past the first
You all good senpai. Either way I have work tomorrow, so I'm out. It's been fun, but I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Thanks for letting me argue about something other than "Nahiri did nothing wrong" in one of these fucking threads.

>>54686918

I dunno. I wouldn't call "You nuked my home, I'm going to nuke yours" the moral choice, but its not exactly hard to understand.

Remember that the destruction of the Eye of Ugin, in Nahiri's eyes, elevates the destruction of Zendikar from simple negligence to an act of outright malice. He didn't just stop her from protecting her world, he destroyed the means to fix it. (Again, this is what Nahiri believes happened).

At that point, what choice does she even really have but revenge? Let him get away with his monstrous crimes and betrayals?

A whole plane of people was going to get devoured after the Eldrazi were done with Zendikar anyway. Nahiri just decided to pick the next in line rather than let the dice roll.

>>54686956
Didn't realize she did that because of what transpired so long before. She was trapped in there at the same time as Avacyn and that demon who's pay 7 draw 7 or before?

>>54686842
I think we're supposed to tell reddit to leave

>>54686821
Surprisingly little.

>>54686842
I'm not that guy, but I can kinda get it. The only thing Sorin cared about was Innistrad. His commitment to Nahiri isn't even on the list of things that Sorin can be assed about doing, if it was he would have checked up on Zendikar at least a couple of times in those 1000 years. He didn't. Nahiri explicitly told him that things went bad and that they needed to check up on the prison architecture before they fought, but Sorin just didn't give a shit. To a planeswalker as old as Sorin individual lives don't matter, what matters is what he calls his own - Innistrad. Nahiri is nearly as ancient as Sorin, he may have a few dozen decades on her, but they count their age in the millenia. Nahiri and Sorin have seen too many individuals come and go to to waste time caring about them. Sorin locked Nahiri in his magical basement for 1000 years because he got mad when she told him to keep up his end of the deal they made and come help her re-fireproof her house. When she finally got out, she found her house on fire because Sorin was too busy basking in how super-fireproofed, flood-proof, earthquake-proof , and wind-proof he had made his house. So Nahiri undid some of the fireproofing and set his house on fire. She doesn't care about the termites that live in Sorin's baseboards, and why should she? She's burning his house down out of principle.

>>54687096
Before, the story actually mentions that Nahiri notices when Avacyn becomes trapped.

>>54687155
>Nahiri is nearly as ancient as Sorin, he may have a few dozen decades on her, but they count their age in the millenia.
Eh, no. Nahiri is much much younger than Sorin, though of course she's still incredibly old due to the timeframe. I forget the time frame for when Edgar Markov developed the alchemical serum for vampirism though.

>>54675991
The latter, I suspect. I agree with it in that sense, oldwalkers are petty cunts when it comes to giving much of a shit about the people living on planes they devastate. Sorin doesn't give a fuck about the "personal" individuals of Innistrad either, really. It's all about his "grand balance" to him, hence Avacyn maintaining balance between vampires/demons and their food/prey yet never having the strength to actually help the individual humans triumph, and keeping his back yard in proper order.

Nicol Bolas, Sorin, Nahiri, Ob Nixilis, Ugin, they're all remnants of an earlier time, and their outlook is very alien, which is why it's appropriate to see them as, yes, evil and horrible. Because by the standards of people who weren't world-making gods, they are (I would argue that those like Jeska, who do things like "save the multiverse" are exceptions more often than the rule). Liliana gets an honourable mention, but she wasn't a planeswalker long enough before the Mending for the attitude to really stick.

>>54687191
Nahiri directly references being older during her confrontation with Sorin than when Sorin found her. He is less than twice her age.

>>54687305
I'm... confused. What that line meant is that shes older and more experienced than she was before, because time had passed. Im really confused by what you mean.

>>54687305
Went to find source on this.

>Shadows Over Innistrad
>Chapter 2: Stone and Blood
>"It struck her, suddenly, that she was now far older than Sorin had been when they had met. In her memory he towered over her, her ancient mentor, a thousand years her senior. Now, what difference did a thousand years make? They were equals. At least."
Nahiri here is a minimum of 5000 years old, Sorin's implied minimum age is 6000. Not such a huge gap.

>>54674667
cunt

>>54676682
>You have no concept of justice.
No you just have a fucked up one. Should courts order a murderers family killed if he kills a family?

>>54683438
YES MARDU SORIN MAKES ME HARD

>>54687405
I just realized I fucked that up a bit. Should read
>Nahiri directly references being older than Sorin was when he found her during their confrontation. He is less than twice her age.

In any case see >>54687418

>>54687441
>No you just have a fucked up one. Should courts order a murderers family killed if he kills a family?

No, they should GIVE the murderer's family to the survivor.

Your justice is weak anon.

>>54687500
I like your thinking desu

>>54687024
>At that point, what choice does she even really have but revenge?

Again, I feel you're completely missing the fundamental point. Sure, by all means, Nahiri can go after Sorin for what she think went down (even if she's wrong about the details). But Nahiri fucked over an entire plane of uninvolved people. That's the moment that she gives up any claim at moral high ground, and in fact swan-dives into "rabid dog" territory.

> Nahiri just decided to pick the next in line rather than let the dice roll.

Again, that's rather like trying to say "well, sure, I left a trail of meat for the rabid pit bull to follow to that playground full of toddlers, but it was the pit bull that killed them! And besides, those toddlers once might have vaguely been affected by the guy I hate! So I'm totally justified in killing them!"

>>54687155
>She doesn't care about the termites that live in Sorin's baseboards

Exactly. And that's why she's fucking insane and needs to die.

"Oldwalkers were insane" is not a solid defense for Nahiri. Just because this was standard for them, does not make it in some way "okay".

And furthermore it's rather worth noting that we don't have a shred of evidence that Sorin's ever done anything remotely similar. Yeah, sure, he's killed people, but always people who were "involved" in whatever he was doing in some way - even if it was "you're in my way and not getting out of it". He's never been demonstrated to target people who are in no way related to whatever grudge-match he has going on, and as I discussed upthread his cards even support the idea that he has a single-target mentality even for things like "vengeance". That doesn't make him good by any means - but it does make him better than Nahiri.

>>54687625
In fact, just to expand on "Sorin: Hero of the Multiverse", here's what we know of his actions:

- Help seal the Eldrazi on Zendikar
- Build the Helvault and create Avacyn to protect Innistrad
- Seal away Nahiri when she (unknowingly) threatened Innistrad
- Return to Zendikar to personally see to re-sealing the Eldrazi, now that Nahiri wasn't around to do it
- Advise Nissa against releasing the Eldrazi, then bounce once they're released but only because he doesn't think he stands a chance against them
- Return to Innistrad and see it's messed up, set about trying to find a solution (he doesn't, but the situation does solve itself, and he was explicitly trying)
- Go to Tarkir to try and find out what happened to Ugin so that he can get his help re-sealing the Eldrazi
- Return to Innistrad (possibly on Ugin's instructions with the intent of trying to patch things up with Nahiri) and find Nahiri fucking up the world
- Realize that the Eldrazi are loose (and can't be killed) and Nahiri fucking up everything over a hissy-fit (and can't be stopped on his own)
- Surrender to ennui an the belief that nothing he can do will save Innistrad anymore, but at the least he can try and take Nahiri with him and it.

Sorin was honestly shaping up to be the hero that the Multiverse needed before Nahiri fucked things up.

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>>54674667
she got tha donkey butt

>>54687685
>doesn't even kill planeswalkers attempting to fuck up hishome unless provoked
>goes out of his way to teach new planeswalkers
>ensures his world is safe when ever he can
>just wants to tour the Multiverse
>advocates against destroying worlds just to satisfy your oldwalking dick >>54683415
>personal problems stay personal with Sorin

Honestly, Sorin is better than most walkers and leagues better than the Gatewatch currently. You don't see Sorin trashing on a world's religions or destabilizing governments. No wonder they benched him.

>>54687685
So great that he spent 500 years being cool to make up for the previous 6500 that he was the biggest cunt in the multiverse.

>>54674667
>This is Nahiri, she ruined Innistrad
>Say something nice about her

>she ruined Innistrad

But you already did.

>>54687024
>I dunno. I wouldn't call "You nuked my home, I'm going to nuke yours" the moral choice, but its not exactly hard to understand.

You are arguing with a shadow on the wall, anon. Nobody has said "Gee, I sure don't get why Nahiri would do something like that", everyone "understands" her motivations. Everyone knows exactly why she did it, and they STILL think she's a bad person for it.

Nahiri IS a bad person.

>>54687834
>he was the biggest cunt in the multiverse

Not really?
Outside of tossing Nahiri in the Helvault, there isn't really anything Sorin's done that made him out as particularly bad. Especially not when Nicol Bolas exists.

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Didn't people prefer Innistrad when it was a shit hole overrun by spooky shit? Didn't she put it back to the state people preferred it before Avacyn came in and fucked up that horror setting by being all ANGELS, BITCHES! GET FUCKED!

>>54676147
>LITERALLY wrong
Nissa was going to leave the eldrazi be and let Sorin deal with it.
Then Anowon opened his mouth and said:
>"Psst, Nissa, we could free the eldrazi and they'll leave Zendikar."
And Nissa responded with:
>"That's stupid, you're stupid, stop being stupid."
Then Sorin STOPPED doing the ritual that would fix the eye (He was like 89% done anyway and all everyone was doing was watching) to literally start team killing because they "dare to betray him" (Reminder that Nissa told Anowon to fuck off) and then AoE attacked everyone.
Then he stopped, and started the ritual all over again and Nissa decided this guy could go fuck himself and released the eldrazi.

So yes, Sorin LITERALLY had the eldrazi situation taken care of, but he had a temper tantrum that Nissa dare tell someone who wanted going to betray Sorin that she didn't like him. It's not ALL Sorin's fault, but it was a major "That guy" moment.

>>54676614
Using magic that only Ugin understood, magic that already failed anyway that as far as Nahiri knew couldn't even kill the eldrazi.

>>54688291
This is why you should never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.

>>54688308
The funny thing is that this is pretty much a common occurrence in magic.
>Let's wake up the primordial dragons to save dominaria from Innistrad!
>Oh fuck, they're destroying everything!
Sarkhan and bolas:
>I am Sarkhan Vol, dragons are awesome, can I worship you dragon?
>Sure, I'm Nicol Bolas. Allow me to introduce you to Tezzeret, we cut a deal too.

>Ugin, who was supposed to be the antiDolas let's the dragons rape all the wedgeclans into allied colors, threatens to eat Sorin ten seconds after waking up, and threatens to eat Jace and the Gatewatch for not listening to him about the eldrazi. And is only placated because he has Ulamog's skull to play with

>>54683273
>>54683403
Sorin is a now mortal Innistradi vampire. They need to eat a person's worth of blood every month to survive and Sorin is also perpetually bleeding out in the box, so he probably has half that time.
Kaladesh takes place like three months later.

Sorin was fucking dead before the first Smuggler's Copter was pulled from a pack.

>>54688386
God, Kaladesh was so shit

>>54688416
I like energy, that was actually pretty fun. But yeah lorewise it was boring enough that it might as well have been a trip to the museum.

>>54687625
>But Nahiri fucked over an entire plane of uninvolved people. That's the moment that she gives up any claim at moral high ground, and in fact swan-dives into "rabid dog" territory.
Nah, that's the point where she does what oldwalkers do, and stop noticing people as people.

You see "Plane full of innocent people"
She and Sorin see "Place where Sorin keeps his shit." And she's going to burn the fuck out of Sorin's shit. The church? Avacyn? The Angels? They're all nothing but "Sorin's shit" to both of them.

>>54688462
Okay, but they're not "Sorin's shit", they're innocent people. Nahiri is directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people.

Nahiri is a bad person.

>>54688462
What the actual fuck is your argument supposed to be? Nahiri is okay because she's a fucking sociopath and doesn't consider people to be people? Is that really the best defense you can come up with for her?

>>54688507
>Nahiri is a bad person
Yeah but Nahiri isn't a person, she's a planeswalker. You might as well say that a horse is a bad person.

>>54688507
Oh definitely, from our point of view
From Sorin's point of view, she's just that bitch ruining his shit, while from her point of view, she's getting back at Sorin, and only Sorin, for ruining Zendikar.
The rabid dog analogy is fucking bad though, because as far as she, and Sorin are concerned, she's only attacking one person. Hell she'd probably be courteous as fuck to say, the Gatewatch or Koth or any other planeswalker really because she'd have no reason to be mad at them.

>>54688552
See >>54688568
And that doesn't make her a sociopath, that makes her an oldwalker. Oldwalkers were assholish pieces of shit who did what they wanted against each other and saw those nonwalkers as dirt.

Oldwalkers like her, Sorin, Ugin and Bolas are more like greek gods than the gods of Theros really.

>>54688568
I'm pretty sure from the Gatewatch or Koth's point of view, she'd still be a bad person.

>>54688588
Possibly with the Gatewatch, yes. But that also takes into account that most of the Gatewatch are also nu-walkers, who are significantly less powerful and much more "mortal" and "human" in their viewpoints and outlooks.

>>54688588
Would they KNOW what she did?
Imagine you were Koth when suddenly this super pale chick came out of nowhere and started making darksteel-tier indestructible swords and started smiting Phyrexia because FUCK those guys. All Koth knows is that she's smiting Phyrexia now, so she's pretty cool.

Ditto the Gatewatch, especially when she finds out they saved Zendikar and she has to decide whether to cry tears of joy or systematically give all of them oral.

>>54688587
>Oldwalkers were assholish pieces of shit who did what they wanted against each other and saw those nonwalkers as dirt.

Okay, so why are you taking such umbrage and going to such lengths to argue against people saying Nahiri is a bad person when you're ready and willing to admit she's an assholish piece of shit? Do you really need to be so concerned with the specification of terminology?

>>54688630
The same reason any of us are here: Because it's entertaining.

>>54674667
Her and Sorin would be really cute together in a relationship.

>>54688619
It's kind of assumed for them to have a point of view on the subject, they'd need to have a view to start with. Sure, if nobody knows Nahiri is a piece of shit, they won't think about it. It's not really relevant to the discussion to speak from that scenario though.

With full knowledge of Nahiri's actions, most of the planeswalkers would probably think she's a bad person. She'd get minority support from maybe Tibalt, Bolas, and Tezzeret I guess.

>>54674667
>Say something nice about her
I'd rather not, I actually really liked Innistrad, and loath the Eldrazi

>>54688666
Oh that's actually fun. Well assuming they know her actions and not her MOTIVES
>Gideon would assume she sent Emrakul to Innistrad to try and keep track of it, and thus disapprove of endangering people but approve of trying to keep tabs on what she thought was unkillable
>Jace would know exactly what she did and why, and probably tell the rest of the Gatewatch the truth as soon as he was out of stabbing range.
>Chandra would call her a fucking nut.
>Nissa would also consider her a fucking nut, but it led to the problem being solved so..? Oh and Sorin's probably dead, so Nahiri's officially neutral in her book.
>Liliana, being an oldwalker, found the whole situation completely understandable even if she knew Nahiri's motives, but she fucking LIKED Innistrad damnit. At least the annoying shit like angels or demons are gone.
So among the Gatewatch Gideon, Jace, and Chandra wouldn't like her, Nissa would be neutral but trusts her more than she does Liliana, and Liliana would continue to give no fucks.
Of the brought up other walkers:
Bolas would give no fucks since he doesn't care about any of that, Tezzeret would have a "fucking oldwalkers, I want that power!" moment. She probably would have stabbed Tibalt thinking that she "Missed one" and Koth wouldn't care so long as she didn't bring the Eldrazi to Mirrodin and she was stabbing phyrexians in the face. Remember, we're talking about the same Koth that basically kidnapped Venser to Mirrodin because he needed backup

>>54688745
>Remember, we're talking about the same Koth that basically kidnapped Venser to Mirrodin because he needed backup

Right, that's comparable to attempted genocide. I forgot.

>>54688775
So long as she genocides the phyrexians without destroying the rest of the plane next, Koth gives no fucks.

You really, REALLY don't understand how little fucks Koth gives outside of "REMOVE PHYREXIA!"

>>54676682
It disappoints me that the oglaf bear justice was not posted.

>>54688806
Based on your interpretations of Nissa and Koth, I think you vastly overestimate their focus. You're acting like neither of them would care even a little bit about the idea of random, innocent people being killed by Nahiri because it's convenient not to think about it.

Even admitting Koth probably wouldn't turn her away at the door if she's willing to help, that does not have to mean anything close to approving or even ignoring her character.

>>54688745
>>54688806
>Nissa and Koth are sociopaths too now

>>54688883
>>54688863
My interpretation of Nissa was that she wouldn't like Nahiri, but she doesn't like Liliana more. Nissa REALLY doesn't like Liliana until that chain veil fucking reeks evil to her. Also green mages have a tendency to look at the big picture in a "What's done is done" sort of way. All the eldrazi are gone, so what now.
So I guess with Nissa it's more, "Nahiri and Liliana both get sorted into the same folder" more than anything.

Koth though, Koth had a single minded focus and was kind of a super asshole during Quest for Karn. He'll care about her previous genocides AFTER she helps him genocide phyrexia. He really was that single-minded determined in the book.

How long until Sorin comes back? He was always one of my favorite walkers.

>>54688951
See >>54688386

>>54688979
They're not going to kill Sorin offscreen.

>>54688979
Pretty sure he's not dead.
http://wizardsmagic.tumblr.com/post/152609487836/so-how-is-sorin-doing

>>54689011
They mortally wounded him and left him to bleed out offscreen, and literally ended the chapter with a literary version of "Pan up the sky as they die."
Sorin's a corpse.

>>54689025
>Sorin's stuck in a rock
>"Pretty solid"

No matter who you prefer
Nahiri
>Attack a Former ally
>Refused to act rationally
>Hurt innocent people
>Caused their Protectors to go mad
>Sided with a Plane destroying abomination.
>and Sealed One of the only beings that could save those people away
>all for revenge (meaning for herself)

Sorin
>Failed to convince Nissa to stop
>Became pre-occupied with saving his Home
>Sealed Former ally who attacked him and Didn't attempt to kill her later
>Tried to find other now dead ally to help solve problem
>Finds friend is dead and now goes home to try and find a solution
>Finds Traitor is destroying his home, and decides he can't win but can take traitor or at least Abomination with him.

Sorin Made mistakes some due to his personality, but all the things he did wrong were genuinely mistakes, as appose to Nahiri Who did everything for herself and out of spite.

>>54689045
Implications can get fucked. They never said he died because they're keeping him in their pocket until it benefits the narrative to bring him back.

>>54674667
She made me like Earth magic.

>>54674667
people think you ruined something that wasn't great to begin with, so that's a plus.

>>54689025
As in stone dead.

>>54674717
The people of Innistrad didn't though. I sympathize with Nahiri, but then I think of the kids who had to deal with Emrakul turning everything into a living nightmare. I fucking HATE Emrakul. That bitch Liliana didn't know how to handle that chain veil. I would've sunk that fuckers power straight into the heart of Emshitnigger until it disintegrated.

>>54688206
There is spooky shit and then there is splashing food coloring on calamari and killing off most of what's keeping humanity (and by extension everything else) alive.

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>>54674667
She's pretty and pretty sexy.
She made me like stone magic where before I thought it was BORING
She makes equipment really cool, and would probably be pretty chill with anyone who wouldn't be dumb enough to talk good about Sorin.

She fucked up a plane that was only mildly interesting instead of an important plane.

I'd stick it in all her crazy

>>54689121
>and killing off most of what's keeping humanity (and by extension everything else) alive.
It's okay, balance was maintained. Most of the angels may be dead, but so are ALL the demons and almost all of the vampires and the ghosts all turned good to help humanity via fusion dancing. Humanity is actually ahead by a bit now.

>>54676027
No she didn't. She just wanted revenge. She didn't even bother to learn more about the state of planeswalkers capable of doing something about Cancerpus after she escaped the Helvault. At some point Ugin came back, Sorin was there and she could've been present. Then there's an entire cadre of other planescripples who could have done something. They killed two of the titans, after all. Nahiri just didn't give a shit. And again, I don't totally blame her after the Helvault and Sorin's poor behavior. Sorin needs taken down about 24 pegs.

>>54689073
The thing is, you're right. That's absolutely what they will be doing, but it's also the absolutely worst thing they could do as it ignores the already established lore and serve as a cheap attempt at a twist that everyone could see coming from miles away. Literally the only thing that could make it worse is if when Sorin comes back he's all
>Just as planned
Which is probably exactly what they will do.

>>54679687
>Eldrazi only eat "dying worlds"
What?

>>54689208
>No she didn't.
She did, technically, save other planes from being eaten by Emrakul being sealed in the moon after she was lured to Innistrad. It was just indirect and entirely unintentional on her part, nor did (or does, rather) she really give a shit about that facet of what she dies.

>>54689244
Not on purpose. If I leave a flaming bag of dogshit on my neighbor's porch, I'm sure it will eventually fertilize the moss growing on his stairs. That doesn't mean I'm a great gardener.

>>54689243
It's a long explanation, but basically Emrakul explains that Innistrad "isn't ready" or some shit like that becausethe plane usually "sing praise" when the titans arrive.

>>54689266
Yes, she said it "wasn't time" or something, but the fucking demon whore never explained what that meant AT ALL. I don't know where you're getting this "the plane sings praises" shit from.

>>54689260
He didn't say on purpose. In fact no one did, but he is technically right.
If Nahiri didn't decide to try and burn Sorin's shit, who knows where Emrakul would be right now.

>>54689243
The Eldrazi are the multiverse's recycling system. They break down old worlds and reshape the matter into new ones.

So much for "beyond our comprehension."

>>54689153
>ahead by a but now.
>ghosts can't recieve the Blessed Sleep they desire because their families will die without ghost powers
>there is still a rogue flight of murderous angels wandering the land
>even freakier monsters warped by the presence in the moon
>entire towns went dark
>the capital that was still recovering from a zombie Apocalypse was massively depopulated
>the Voldaren Rape Queen is now in power and we know she doesn't think much of humanity from her love of blood gangbang parties
>the plane is bereft of protection from outside threats and the guy who made protections is stuffed in a statue

>>54689273
Probably entombed or dead.

>>54689275
That was my idea for them, but I've NEVER heard anyone say this canonically. And by the way, that flies ENTIRELY in the face of their established canon. They were a plague upon the worlds, which is why they were lured to Zendikar to begin with, because it was so tasty to them because it WAS NOT dying.

>>54689286
Maybe planes start firing off mana as a sign that they are ready to be recycled?

>>54689291
NO. Zendikar was one of the most healthy and mana-rich planes in all the multiverse. That is WHY the Eldrazi were lured there. It was intentional bating. This is clearly, openly established canon.

>>54689286
>The strongest of the three eldrazi
>Two of which only died because the gatewatch could funnel a planes worth of mana through an anti-eldrazi defense system
>Somehow Emrakul would be entombed or dead.
>Even though she ate two different world ending-tier sealing spells on Innistrad and had to seal herself in the moon because everyone else sucked at it.
She'd be snacking on planes.

>>54674667

from what I understand before she went bugfuck nuts from a thousand years of torture she was a decent person.

These days she's a tragic monster, with both parts of that term turned up to 11.

>>54689286
>that flies ENTIRELY in the face of their established canon
SNAFU. By now the game should really be called Magic the Retconning.

>>54689137
>She made me like stone magic where before I thought it was BORING
I felt exactly the same way. She made it look neat.

>>54689309
When did they retcon this? It sounded like that's what had happened, but I never read this anywhere.

>>54689305
>She'd be snacking on planes.
Sure she would, with two titans FUCKING DEAD and Ugin back in the game. They may have straight killed the bitch this time around.

>>54689280
>Ghosts no longer need the blessed sleep because they're no longer vulnerable to demons
>rogue flight of angels is pretty much depowered and dying without Emrakul to fuel everything.
>Emrakul warping things from inside the moon hasn't been confirmed to be the case at all, and we've had hints of just the opposite.
>A lot of normal people died, but so did most of the werewolves, most of the zombiemakers, ALL of the demons, and most of the vampires.
>Voldaren in power means nothing since there's only one vampire family left and it was massively depopulated.
>Outside threats being a concern when the plane is apparently on the ass end of the multiverse.
Yeah, the humans are ahead by just a bit, I'd say 2.5 points to humanity and 2.0 points max to the forces of evil

>>54689339
If anything, Ugin would try to preserve it as he was against killing the Eldrazi at all.

>>54689353
It'll be hilarious when Tibalt drops by to check if Sorin left.

>>54689060
Arrogance is no less retarded than spite. And Sorin had earned that spite by pointlessly being a prick.

>>54689358
Another retcon. Ugin COULDN'T kill the titans. They made it quite clear early on that entombing them was the oldwalkers' best chance. And then Chandra just kills two. Magic is so off the fucking rails at this point, this entire discussion is basically pointless.

>>54689339
>>54689379
>Ugin back in the game meaning he'd help kill Emrakul
Ugin protecting the eldrazi was the reason that him, Sorin, and Nahiri didn't kill them with oldwalker powers.
Where do you think that anyone would get the powers or super effective anti-eldrazi weapons to kill Emrakul?
If the Gatewatch thought Ugin would help someone would have popped over to Zendikar to go get him, they literally knew EXACTLY where he was.

And that's not a retcon, that's revealing that Ugin's a lying shit and you should never trust a dragon

>>54689369
>Tibalt might come back
Fuck I forgot,
>Forces of evil have a score of 1.85 max.

>>54689394
>Ugin protecting the eldrazi was the reason that him, Sorin, and Nahiri didn't kill them with oldwalker powers.
No. No. No. They clearly stated they were UNABLE to harm the titans. They were INEFFECTIVE. That's why they sealed them. Again, all your arguments rest on the premise of a coherent narrative. And apparently, there isn't one.

>>54689394
>Ugin protecting the eldrazi was the reason that him
That's the current reasoning. But back in RoE it was stated that the three planeswalkers who sealed them away did so because they COULDN'T deafeat them.

>>54689415
>They clearly stated they were UNABLE to harm the titans.

Citation.

>>54689423
>>54689415
>"The story said something entirely different when we weren't supposed to know the whole story."
You clearly don't know how writing works if you think that's a retcon.

Hold a moment. All the demons just dropped dead? What's keeping more from being made in Innistrad hell as usual?

>>54689435
I don't know if I can find it now, considering all the retconning that's been going on. But I clearly remember when Zendikar was being introduced talking about how Ugin used his colorless breath weapon and Sorin his life-leeching magics against the titans and that they were basically ineffective. This was back when we didn't know shit about the lithomancer except there was one.

>>54689448
Oh give that shit a rest. This is Marvel tier writing. And you can tell early on the Eldrazi were supposed to be the creators of the hedrons from flavor text like this. Why would Eldrazi be using hedrons? The flavor text depicts something which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the hedrons are.

>>54689454
When Emrakul showed up, the demons all got 100% eldrazified. All of them. When Emrakul was sealed, their reincarnation system was fucked up by Emrakul. That black mana isn't becoming new demons, it's just loose.

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>>54689489
Forgot image.

>>54689448
That is teh definition of a retcon. Had they had the actual answer planned out back then but didn't want to disclose it, or didn't know it and so wanted to leave it open to interpretation they would have said
>for unknown reasons a group of planeswalkers sealed them away thousands of years ago
But they didn't. They said that Sorin and the gang were unable to defeat them and had to resort to sealing them away.

>>54689489
We never saw Ugin and Sorin fighting the eldrazi until the lithomancer story, where Sorin's leeching power took mana the eldrazi ate and put it back on the plane while Ugin's colorless breath slayed their spawn until the hedron network activated and sealed them.

You're straight misremembering things.

>>54689491
That makes no fucking sense. And there is more ambient black mana floating around on a plane that tinges everything black?

>>54689510
Still waiting for that citation.

>>54689526
Yeah but there's no more system that recycles that black mana into new demons.

You can have as much aluminum as you want, but if you don't have a recycling plant, all you have is a bunch of aluminum.

>>54689519
He's not. The introduction text to RoE mentioned how Ugin used his colorless fire and Sorin his lifedrain abilities to weaken the Eldrazi enough for "the lithomancer" to seal them away in stone.

>>54689555
See, now I need an EXACT wording or a picture or a quote, because that doesn't sound like a retcon.

>"They were able to weaken the eldrazi until the lithomancer sealed them away."
Doesn't directly contradict what we found out later, which is:
>"With the hedrons designed by Ugin they could have killed the eldrazi, but Sorin and the Lithomancer didn't know that because Ugin is a massive prick"

>>54689502
>>54689491
According to >>54689555 it sounds like the hedrons were always meant to be the prison that held the eldrazi, just that the eldrazi had figured out how to use them themselves.

>>54686430
This.

There's no reason for Sorin not to explain himself or to get The Bitch out of the vault after a little time cooling down. Sorin had to be stupid for this story to work.

>>54689614
>or to get The Bitch out of the vault after a little time cooling down

I don't think he made the vault able to let things out.

Nahiri's batshit. Isolation makes people unstable after a few weeks, or even days; months starts to make people really deranged. A thousand years without interacting with another sapient being, with little to no sensory input other than incidental violence?

Nahiri's completely fucking looney. It's not a matter of sympathy, it's a matter of her being utterly and completely insane. She's not even a rabid dog. She's as much like an old walker as anything we have now, mentally, and she's violently angry. Her actions are logical, in that they follow a clear chain of logic, but they are inexcusable.

>>54689604
>it sounds like the hedrons were always meant to be the prison that held the eldrazi
No. The hedrons were definetly implied to have been made by the Eldrazi. And if anyone would have designed them according to the old lore it would have been Nahiri, not Ugin.

>>54689502
>Explicitly include a stone-shaper among the cast of people who sealed the Eldrazi from the start
>Obviously this person wasn't meant to have anything to do with these intricately shaped stones

>>54686430
They also gave Sorin alzheimer's just because.

>>54689266
Also, Equilor seems to be developing Eldrazi-like creatures.

>>54689489
>>54689502
A bunch of random assholes on Zendikar figured out how to do stuff with the Hedrons. Why should it be that strange the Eldrazi did too?

>>54689379
>They made it quite clear early on that entombing them was the oldwalkers' best chance.
No, he didn't. What Ugin said, specifically, was that he "did not know" if it was possible, and "it would certainly not be wise".

And given how pathetically easily Ugin's designs could be adjusted to a kill-trap, there's no fucking way he could not have known it was possible. He just lied through his teeth, because he is a dragon and you never ever trust dragons.

Since this is more a less a general mtg lore thread, I have a question about the Eldrazi. I haven't been following the plot for a while, but from what I've heard Emrakul has been sealed in Innistrad's moon, and Kozilek and Ulamog were killed. Is that accurate? Previously I had been under the impression Eldrazi were essentially unkillable because they existed outside all the planes.

>>54689692
>What Ugin said
In MOTHERFUCKING BFZ! That's years after what he's talking about.

At least she ain't a nigger

>>54689635
Then he's an idiot.

>>54689675
Hell, some of them were eating and snorting hedrons.

>>54689662
This Eldrazi arc was a mistake.

>>54689643
They just needed an explanation for how the Eldrazi had been sealed in stone. At most the old lore implied that the hedrons were already there and that the group simply used them to their advantage.

>>54689642
>The Eye of Ugin has always had a bigass hedron dead center in it
>The Zendikar, Worldwake, and Rise of the Eldrazi symbols were the Eye opening
>It's shown even the Zendikar natives were able to repurpose the Hedrons to some degree

Comparatively, the only thing the Eldrazi have going for them is being able to directly open the Hedrons instead of just breaking or grinding them.

>>54689733
>No, no, the Eldrazi made the Hedrons before they were specifically lured to Zendikar, so the Trio lured them back to where they had already made the Hedrons so they could use the Hedrons the Eldrazi made before going to Zendikar once they were on Zendikar to trap them

Get your shit sorted out.
The Eldrazi can't have "already" made the Hedrons before getting taken to the plane where the Hedrons were setup to seal them in.

>>54689703
Correct.

Normally you think of the Eldrazi, even the Titans, as simply like a hand stuck into a pool of water. You can smack the hand all you want, but the rest of the Titan is still outside the plane and impossible to reach or harm.

Ugin's hedron method allowed for the equivalent of ramming a stake through the hand while it was in the pool of water to hold it there. It prevents the Eldrazi from leaving, trapping them at Zendikar, and they also can't move to devour the plane.

What Jace, Gideon, Nissa, and Chandra did was instead adapt that stake in the hand plan (which Ugin could also have done, but lied about to Sorin and Nahiri) to stake the Eldrazi, then drag the entire bodies of Ulamog and Kozilek into Zendikar itself (i.e. the entire body is now submerged in the pool), rendering it possible to harm them.

Now, it was absurdly dangerous and extreme luck that it worked at all, and it only did because Zendikar is a mana-rich plane that Nissa could direct into Chandra to turn into a giant fireball capable of actually burning up the entire body of Ulamog and Kozilek. Even then, while they were attempting it, shit was going sideways where you had things like the entire sky becoming Eldrazi:

>Around the mighty titans, the sky bulged and folded like a brewing storm. But this was not a thunderstorm—this was something else. The color of the heavens twisted from hazy blue to boiling magentas and greens. The sunlight wavered, overshadowed by a spreading, rippling, polyp-like texture. And to Kiora's shock, she saw what was happening to the titans—
>Bending, distorting, stretching. Their heads inflated and curved into elongated necks that rainbowed across the sky. Their faces widened, curved concave, and unfolded to the horizon and back again. And then it began raining Eldrazi.

>>54689750
>>The Zendikar, Worldwake, and Rise of the Eldrazi symbols were the Eye opening
It actually shows an entirely ordinary hedron opening. The Eye was implied to be different from the others, and indeed, looks entirely different in its art.

>>54689784
I didn't say that they made them. The old lore certainly implied that the Eldrazi had some connection to them, possibly by having made them, but it could also have been that the culture that made them was so old and alien that their minds worked more like the minds of Eldrazi.

>>54689809
>I didn't say that they made them

>>54689489
>you can tell early on the Eldrazi were supposed to be the creators of the hedrons

>>54689703
>>54689791
Second quote:

>The sky of Zendikar had become the titans. Their forms had enveloped everything, a dome of bruise-colored flesh and bone sheets and void-edged shards. Rather than the titans being pulled into Zendikar, it felt as if Zendikar were now inside the titans—or that, somehow, dimensionality had inverted, and now the outside of their enormous bodies was in every direction Chandra could see.
>Ulamog's upper body still rose over the battlefield, but its limbs and tentacles projected out incongruously from various points across the sky. A portion of Kozilek's crown was stretching and rotating across the coarse firmament like an insane moon. Boundaries muddled and entities merged. Otherworldly tendrils reached down out of the magenta heavens, contorting and stretching, and dripped toward the ground like funnel clouds. Eldrazi emerged and unfolded from each offshoot, dropping onto the land with either graceful landings or messy crashes.

The act of drawing the Eldrazi into Zendikar made them vulnerable, as they were creatures of the Blind Eternities. But their presence on the plane was also enough that, much like Nicol Bolas did when he was an Oldwalker, their existence started breaking the plane apart, so immense are/were they.

Anyway, Ulamog and Kozilek were killed. Emrakul had left Zendikar, going to Innistrad. There, she was taking it apart with her existence (and the plan used on Ulamog and Kozilek was not working at all, it failed miserably - said plan could only have worked on Zendikar), but as she explained to Jace (in a very mind-magic-creepy-weird-process way), it was not time and she was missing Ulamog and Kozilek, and so she rewrote one of Tamiyo's super-scrolls and forced her to read it and seal her into Innistrad's moon, which is of the same material as the Helvault (since Sorin yanked a chunk of it to the surface for his prison) and has various "containment" properties. She will emerge from that moon when the time is right.

>>54674667
Makes good d8's.

>>54689842
So Emrakul willingly sealed herself? Also, how much stronger is Emrakul than the other titans? I've always been aware she was the 'alpha' of the bunch, but never sure by how much.
>she was missing Ulamog and Kozilek
Weird phrasing. Is she able to resurrect them or spawn new titans, or somehow saddened by their loss? (didn't think Eldrazi even had feelings though).

Sorry for all the questions, I've always been interested in MtG lore, but too lazy to pore through all the stories they put out (partially because the writing can be subpar at times).

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>>54689832
>quotes two different posters
>this is supposed to prove something
???

>>54689886
>So Emrakul willingly sealed herself?
Yes.

>Also, how much stronger is Emrakul than the other titans?
Unclear. She's certainly much "more" than them, it appears, and is definitely the "primary" of the three. Beyond that, it's a bit speculative and unknowable.

>Is she able to resurrect them or spawn new titans
Unclear. For all we know, a new Ulamog and Kozilek might eventually emerge on their own within the Multiverse.

>or somehow saddened by their loss
No, just that without them, she's incomplete. The Eldrazi appear to work in concert, each with their own role in destroying a plane.

>>54689886
She describes herself as incomplete. The Eldrazi were a system, each of the three performing a crucial part of the process. Without Ulamog and Kozilek, she wouldn't really be able to function.

>>54689929
>>54689939
Neat, thanks for the responses. I really like the idea of the Eldrazi, hopefully they show up again (although not too soon).

>>54689906
Oh fuck off. You made absolutely no effort before this post to distinguish yourself from the other anon. You stepped into the discussion in that person's place without skipping a beat, so you can't really blame anyone for thinking you were the same person.

>>54689791
>>54689842
Imagine being a refugee far away from the battlefield. You're sitting there, wondering if the end will come, and then suddenly the entire fucking sky is Eldrazi.

>>54689969
If I hadn't fallen on my sword by now that would probably do it.

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>>54689929
It was noted from the moment the art was spoiled that, especially when it comes to the arms, there are certain similarities between Brisela and Ulamog. It was speculated the whole spoiler season that Emrakul was trying to make replacements.

>>54689906
>>54689962
To be honest, I think that actually is the same person and they're trying to save face.

>>54689989
Yeah, that's what I mean about it being a bit speculative. I like the idea, and Emrakul being female certainly implies she might be able to "spawn" the additional parts of the system again, given time, but it's not really confirmed.

>>54689929
>>54689929 An explanation for emrakul sadness would be that all eldrazi are related(sorta like a hive mind) and with two big parts of her consciousness(?) gone maybe she wasnt in a mood to destroy worlds see for me how she just went to inistrad to breed new eldrazi life... saw his childs would eventually die due to the lack of mana on the plane/ the fight with the gatewatch leading to... "the moon here looks special, like a nice place to regain health and stamina..." at least thats what i was thinking the the time.

>>54689989
"Brisela" was such a dumb name. It looks like a nickname that some guy would give her while casting her, not a real name. "The Voice of Nightmare" would have been more than enough.

AlsoSigarda getting roasted and Thalia soloing her because MUHwaifugotry was dumb. A combo of them would have been more believable.

>>54691049
Thalia has the power of her 「Saint Traft」 to help her though.

>>54691081
Still seems way over the top, even as a Jojo reference. If Saint traft was always enough to rival the combined powers of two main angels they probably wopuldn't have struggled so much until now.

>>54688745
>Bolas would give no fucks since he doesn't care about any of that,

I think he would at least find the situation hilarious.

"So you leave him in a torture chamber designed to prevent him from planeswalking away, facing Emrakul so he can watch his life's work and home plane be destroyed but be powerless to stop it? And then he'd die when he was dumped into the blind eternities without the means to save himself. I like it. You should have stuck around longer, Innistrad wasn't actually destroyed. But still, 7/10 plan. I might even call it an 8 if I was feeling generous."

>>54691551
>7/10
More like 6/10, Sorin would eventually die for good, you have to make it last forever to get a 7 or higher.

>>54691619
Plus he actually wounded her so it wasn't a perfect execution.

>>54688416
Good cards, bad story

>>54691852
True. 5.5/10 at the most, then.

>>54685949
>>54685558
Why do people get all weepy and emotional over Avacyn?

She had absolutely no character, she was nothing more than a justice-delivering automaton that wore the body of a smoking hot angelic woman with way too much eyeliner and black lipstick.

>>54691900
EXACTLY
I Cri evertim

>>54691900
>a justice-delivering automaton that wore the body of a smoking hot angelic woman with way too much eyeliner and black lipstick.
Answer precedes question. She satisfies the trifecta of being an attractive woman, being an 'alternative'girl, and being likely to crusade with you.
/tg/ has a thing for waifus that can kick their ass

>>54691964
In that case, you might as well smear some mascara and black lipstick on the barrel of an assault rifle, hang some fake tits from it somehow and you've got something with just as much personality as Avacyn.

>>54691900
Though they tried to give her some sentience with the UW based planeswalker who gets killed by Garruk and one or two Uncharted Realms.
But I'd like to see stories of the time she killed the WB angel. What a waste of exposition if that is never brought back.

>>54692002
EDH commander fodder.

>>54690016
>posts anonymously
>trying to save face

>>54674667
I'm glad I haven't seen her in awhile.

>>54680320
are you a nigger lover?

>>54689137
>She fucked up a plane that was only mildly interesting instead of an important plane.
>>54689137
What is wrong with you ? Innistrad is a living fairytale and it was amazing if wizard didn't wanted to fuck it up....(like zendikar)

Though Your taste are ok.

Also Sorin did nothing too wrong

>>54688169
Or Urza, for that matter...

>>54691551
>I think he would at least find the situation hilarious.

I don't. I think he'd find it petty and small. Which would be incredibly hypocritical, coming from him, but that's how he'd phrase it: petty and small.

>>54689491

Time for the buff walker to get even blacker

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>>54691900
>a justice-delivering automaton
>the body of a smoking hot angelic woman
>too much eyeliner and black lipstick

>>54675487
>and she isn't a threat to anywhere or anyone but Sorin and the things Sorin claims for his own, she's an oldwalker, none of them give a fuck about people's lives, Sorin included.

To be fair, it's also a pretty safe assumption that Ugin is right below Sorin on her shitlist too. And Tarkir WOULD be if she ever found out it exists.

>>54693114
And what do you think she's gonna do when she learns that Jace and Chandra weakened the Eye of Ugin?

>>54693101
I know, right?

>>54674667
she a women

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>>54689989

Brisela drives me insane because the fact that her halves were printed at different rarities means there's more of one half in existence than the other. That is FUCKED UP.

>>54689379
I always thought that Ugin was trapping the eldrazi to study and use their overwhelming colorless mana power. I don't trust old dragon planeswalkers.

>>54674667
She was ok in Farscape.

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>>54695361
Bruna's art is complete crap, but Broken Gisela is pretty cute.

>>54695361
>her halves were printed at different rarities means there's more of one half in existence than the other.
Never thought of this and now I'm triggered.

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>>54696477
Why did Emrakul have to corrupt Bruna and Gisela too? They didn't deserve it.

>>54696642
Because Nahiri is a shit.
If you kill all the good girls, no one will realise that you're a shitty one.

>>54696642

Innistrad was too cool a plane and was taking away attention from bullshit garbage planes that WotC wanted to push, so everything on it had to be ruined.

>>54674667
Innistrad was never good.

>>54696989
It was ok, but should have been more of a conspiration-based plane. Clues were a pretty good idea flavorwise.

>>54674667
I have no interest in card games and never will, but the lore seems nice. Where do you read it?

>>54689296
They lured them there via Sorin doing some bullshit, though.
It's possible they would never have shown up on Zendikar without that, and the massive amount of mana was just what was needed to bind them. Ugin seems fond of being a misleading shit, apparently.

>>54697721
Older lore is exclusively in books that you'll have to find online or at a bookstore, most of the newer stuff can be read for free at
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/columns/magic-story

Beware, while most of the ideas are cool and the themes are nice, the quality of the actual writing is all over the place.