It becomes limited. How does the meta change?

>>54671380
Every deck runs one. Gratz.

>>54671380
This >>54671393

There's literally no downside to running pot of greed. At most, you've made games a bit more swingy, as one player drawing theirs while the other guy has his stuck at the bottom puts things more in his favor.

>>54671393
Why? It's not even that good. Oh man, one extra card, better be careful or this'll break the meta.

you'll start hearing phrases like "now he got his Pot of Greed before his opponent, that's huge"

>>54671414
There's no reason to not run it.

>>54671414
It is that good. It's literally +1 card advantage for free. There's never a time when it's bad to draw it, since you can just play it can get the card you would have drawn instead, plus an extra one.

There is absolutely no downside to including it.

>>54671414
The problem with Pot of Greed is its lack of downsides. Why not run it? Using it gets you 2 cards. It thins your deck, it gets you cards, you don't even need to set it like with Jar. The question is "Why & when would someone not run this card?"

>>54671414
Being able to search your own deck is heavily META in today's game.

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>>54671380
indistinguishable from reducing the minimum deck size by 1

>>54671764

>>54671422

>>54671764
Much worse than that, it's more like sometimes you randomly increase your starting hand size by one.

>>54671673
When there are 1 or less cards in your deck.

Seeing the various reasons given in this thread, I can only conclude that it is banned because the competitive YGO meta is full of tryhard autists.

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>how to balance this card
Draw 3, of those, discard 2
Draw 2, pay 1000 LP
Draw 2, sacrifice 6 Stars

>>54672810
first and third have nothing to do with pot of gree, they don't even get card advantage, just some filtering and some strange sinergy in the sacrifice case. The secodn one is probably still busted.

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Pot of greed is a stale meme.

Unban mai waifu at once.

>>54672758
>competitive anything
>tryhard autists
Well I mean

Yes?

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>>54672810
See Pot of Desires

>>54672758
I think you might be retarded.

>>54672878
GRACEFUL DICE HAS A DICE ON IT
GRACEFUL CHARITY DOES NOT HAVE A DICE

>>54672810
1000 LP is nothing.
In modern YuGiOh if you're in a position where you're taking battle damage you're already finished.

I honestly think it's hilarious that they keep reprinting this card even though it's going to be banned forever.

>>54672878
I honestly think this could stand to be limited.
If fucking Raigeki is limited why can't this be?

>>54671422
I think you'll hear phrases like 'I activate my spell card Pot of Greed, it allows me to draw two cards from my deck.'
Though I guess it isn't funny anymore.

>>54674075
Why did they decide to make Raigeki limited?

>>54674194
Because every fucking card in this game is so fucking overpowered that a card that wipes your opponent clean isn't enough to raise an eye.
Shit don't most XYZ cards have effects that basically say "Yeah you can eliminate a card at the cost of the things you used to make this."
Fuck what Konami did to this game.

>>54671414
In a game where there are no limits on how many cards you can cast every turn, cards in your hand is the only resource. Drawing twice in a single turn is very good.

>>54674003
Think again faggot.

>>54674194
Because just wiping their board won't do anything to most decks, even tier 3 jank can laugh a raigeki or two off.

>>54672810
>>54672833
>*pay LP in increments of 1000 (max 2000), draw 1 card from your deck for every 1000 LP paid.

This game should just do away with LP all together and move to a "3 strikes and you're out" system

>>54674472

If you don't understand why a card that's pure benefit in every possible situation and has only upsides and literally no downsides to running it is going to automatically end up in every single deck, you're quite the special needs child.

The Magic equivalent would be a Divination that costs zero, and that's a card that would be emergency banned the instant people realize it was printed.

>>54672878

No. This has the same exact problem as pot of greed, you always run it and there's no situation where it's a bad draw because it replaces itself with the best of your top 3 cards. It's slightly less broken than Pot but only slightly.

>>54678879
You could argue that it's more broken because of all the shit that wants to be in the Graveyard or that triggers in the Graveyard.

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>>54671380
this becomes deck standard again, along with other cards that can recycle

>>54678949
it is more broken. anyone who played when Chaos was the standard remembers that the graveyard is just a second hand.

>>54680006
Way too slow outside of Prediction Princess.

>>54672878
Too many decks use the graveyard just as often as the hand. Losing 2 cards is often a plus

>>54678780
What is Raigeki.
What is Mystical Space Typhoon.
What is Dark Hole.
What is a metric fuckton other cards that have no downsides and do a lot of damage for free and nearly always break the game and are instawin for the player that draws them first.

Let the damn players draw 2 miserable cards, it's not that big of a deal.

>>54672739
If there's one card in your deck congrats, you somehow drew 39 cards of a YGO deck without winning. Your deck is so shit not even Pot of Greed can save it.

>>54682361
Exactly, so unban.

>>54672810
>Draw 3, of those, discard 2
Graceful Charity is also banned.

>Draw 2, pay 1000 LP
Upstart Goblin is close. It's limited to one because it's that powerful.

>Draw 2, sacrifice 6 Stars
Might be balanced

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>>54682412
>Draw 2, sacrifice 6 Stars
What? Like tribute a Level 6 monster? We already have Sacred Sword of Seven Stars.

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What if every card became unlimited?

>>54682436
And that's already balanced. With six stars and no restriction it starts to get a bit questionable, but might still be okay.

>>54683019
YuGiOh becomes slightly more playable

>>54683093
F/OTK decks ft. hand traps.

>>54683281
Meant for >>54683019

>>54683019
I would play a deck composed entirely of Pot of Greed.

>>54682268
>What is Raigeki.
Something that doesn't draw cards.

>What is Mystical Space Typhoon.
Something that doesn't draw cards.

>What is Dark Hole.
Something that doesn't draw cards.

Look, kid, if you don't get, even after this thread has patiently explained it to you step by step multiple times why Pot of Greed is a WAY bigger problem than any of those, there's no helping you. You don't understand games.

Pot of Greed is a card that, if it's allowed to be used at all, goes automatically into every deck, maximum possible number of copies of it, or the deck is built wrong. It doesn't matter what the deck does, it MUST play maximum possible number of Pots of Greed or it's wrong. And no deckbuilding game that's even slightly concerned with balance will allow a "mandatory" card to exist.

>>54683019
Then I'd start running 3 BTH's again.

I'm sorry, did you want to summon something?

>>54671414
The problem becomes, what happens if 75% of the cards in your deck are pot of greed. What the fuck do you think would happen?
>oh I drew 3 pots of greed
>oh another pot of greed
>oh I have my entire fucking deck in my hand now and I win in one turn because I have that as a setup

All because you just had a billion of one single card

>>54683738
>25 Pots of Greed
>Exodia

>>54683708
>ot of Greed is a card that, if it's allowed to be used at all, goes automatically into every dec
You mean like Raigeki?

The card that potentially can destroy up to 5 opponent's cards? Which is basically like rendering useless the opponent's last several turns and draws?

How is that even comparable to just drawing two cards?

I'm sorry but you are a moron. There are things WAY worse than drawing cards in this game, and they are not limited at all.

>>54683765
Basically.
implying god cards aren't banned.
>55 pots of greed
>2 copies of exodia

everyone will hate you with a burning passion for the rest of your life

>>54683770
>How is that even comparable to just drawing two cards?

It isn't. Drawing two cards is better. Drawing two cards will get you your own Raigeki, plus something else on top of that.

You seriously don't understand how insanely powerful drawing cards is in Yugioh.

>>54683770
>Which is basically like rendering useless the opponent's last several turns and draws?

Except as people have pointed out, the current state of Yu-gi-oh allows most decks to fill the entire field with 5 super-powerful XYZ/Synchro/Special summoned monsters in a single turn, and lose very little advantage in the process since a lot of it gets summoned from their extra deck or their main deck directly.

There are situations where drawing a Raigeki won't help you. But there's no situation where drawing a pot of greed won't be beneficial unless you're literally out of cards to draw.

>>54683770
Resource management.

It's like asking why Druids being able to hit 10 Mana in Hearthstone on Turn 4 was overpowered. Still see Ramp Druids in Wild every so often.

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>>54683723

>>54683867
Damn. If you got monster advantage on the field and they don't have any special effects, they're flat out fucked

>>54683770
Except a lot of decks don't main Raigeki.

>>54683880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM9jjgJzLRg

>>54683867
BEGONE SAMURAI LADY

YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND JINZO

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>>54683765

>>54671414
I wish this was reddit so I could down vote you.

Why would a Lightsworn deck run Pot of Greed? The goal is to mill not to draw

>>54684134
You still want to draw cards. Lightsworn even have their own draw card, Solar Recharge.

It was probably said already, but every deck becomes 39 cards much like how many but not necessarily all decks had become 37 cards + 3 upstart when this was at 3.

Also Superheavy Samurai dies even harder because they can't run it.

>>54683019
Either Ronintoadin Mass Driver or Magical Explosion FTK take over the meta. D R A G O N S and Spellbooks make waves again but Link format rules ruins their fun. My nigga Stratos is free.

Sadly Yata Lock is never coming back.

>>54684475
>Not running Spell Striker to banish your Spells

>>54684475
This was the problem with it. It doesn't add anything to the game and everybody who was serious with the game had it in their deck. It hurt diversity in deck lists. Upstart kind of does the same thing but is less overbearing, considering it's just a filler card instead of an actual +1 on top of giving your opponent 1000 life to make an OTK harder.
>>54684573
FTK decks are fucking gay. Coming from someone who played them. They're good in theory to play if you can get them somewhat consistent, but they're boring as shit to play with and against, since it's normally one player just jerking themselves off on the table until they win. Didn't play when Dragons and Spellbooks were relevant.

>>54684134
>Draw one card that mills your deck for X
>Draw two cards that mill your deck for X + X

Hmm

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>baaawww the jar of jew is OP as fuck
pfff haha

>>54671380
What does it do again?

>>54686492
>spending two cards to stop a card makes it not OP
Oh you.

>>54684080
Then go back, faggot

You just run as many as possible
it's like upstart goblin's deal but with zero downsides

>>54686753
Even then, there are still times you wouldn't upstart, even if they're rare as fuck.

Never in the history of ever has somebody gone "I drew pot of greed, better save it for later". No, you fucking activate that shit ASAP because you're not retarded and like having cards in your hand.

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>>54672878

>Play Dark World

>>54684080
Laughed more than I should of

>>54687660
Yea, it, alongside other cards like it that are on the banlist, are where they are because there's no downside. Either it goes off, and you get 2 cards, or it doesn't due to counters and it eats one of those and goes 1 for 1. The only time when it doesn't net you a gain is when you play it while imperial order or whatever's active and you're an actual retard, or they're playing the pot of greed counters that target it specifically. You should laugh at them for playing horrible cards then.

Holding pot is even worse because if they do card destruction or something it's gone. You basically have to be trying not to create card advantage with pot.

>>54688079
>should of
It's should've. Short for "should have."

>>54688366
never should of come here

>>54688380

should of, would of, could of

This a trick question?

This game's rules is based off of an anime, it started broken.

Why the fuck is Link Summoning so awful, bros? It's such a jumbled mess of ideas that made extra Deck summoning worse just to make it playable. Changing the Pendulum Zones I get and it's totally fair, but Link Summoning just adds entirely an almost useless dimension to the game just to force it as an archetype.

>Inb4 to sell packs
I know that, but they can sell packs without making most summoning styles worse.

Do you faggots even play the game anymore?
Because this thread smells like goat shit

>>54688380
I'm not the reddit faggot, I'm just tired of seeing this failure of education spreading, and am doing my part to educate the masses. It's a surprisingly common mistake amongst people on the internet. To be fair some of them were ESL.

>>54688872
>that made extra deck summoning worse
Unless you're playing igknights (>implying they were good to begin with), the link rules did nothing.
There are engines that might pump out decent link monsters to keep doing the same shit
There are decks that are super consistent that they don't give a second shit about link rules
There are decks that don't even use the extra deck outside of maybe toolboxing
The new shit we're getting is some ass though, its the second set and links haven't been broken
And Link monsters even helped old decks for crying out loud, ABC's got shafted out and now that they don't need stank bitch Tsukiyomi set 4 pass strategies, they just pump out proxy dragon and then go up into decode talker and ABC Dragon Buster gets summoned for a lot

If a deck became shit by link rules, here's a newsflash, it was already shit before the new rules

>>54688898
>I correct people's grammar on 4chan
>When I understood clearly what they meant
Language is shared meaning, you autistic fuck. If his meaning was clear, there is no reason why it should need to be written "properly". It's some of the most basic shit you learn in language classes.

>>54688918
>engines that pump out link monsters to keep doing their game plan.
That, by definition, makes the summoning worse. There is another hoop you need to jump through to do what your deck is supposed to do.
>decks that don't use the extra deck
Yeah, Monarchs for the most part,which haven't been meta for a while

>>54688919
It's not like I'm personally offended at their mistake. It'll be his responsibility when he looks like a retard using "of" wrong in a more important setting. I didn't even insult the guy for his mistake.

>>54688962
No one will care. No one except petty little shits correct someone's grammar as long as the meaning is clear.
If the education system failed someone, it's you.

Who's the strongest tripfag from /dng/ and why is it CuteGirl?

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>>54688959
>There is another hoop you need to jump through to do what your deck is supposed to do
Which isn't even a problem when on the very first day links got announced and one of the revealed link mosnters was Missus Radiant, which required two EARTH monsters, a gook showed a video of zoodiacs doing the same combos they used to do, showing that the rumor of "the new rules will kill decks like zoodiacs" was a load of bullshit because if zoos could do the same shit they used to do, it doesn't matter if its another hoop when you have enough consistency to do the same shit with an extra step.
>Monarchs for the most part
Nigga please, monarchs aren't the only deck that doesn't rely on the ED.

>>54688959
>Yeah, Monarchs for the most part
When's the last time you played the damn game?

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>>54689015
The last thing i have to say, pic related is as diverse the game has been since the DUEA era, specially when the past formats were 96% Zoodiac and this is under link rules, and to rub more salt in the wound, there are two pendulum based decks under Master Rule 4 which "killed pendulums". If Links killed the game then wtf is pic related?

>>54671380
It doesn't. It just makes the good decks better.

>>54671380
It is a generic card, how could it change meta? It would make some decks more viable because they can dig further and faster, but that is it. It would also make current viable decks more viable so I don't see a problem. Would love to see Pot and Upstart back up :^). 3 Upstarts and 1 Goblin is da best!

>>54689197
Games would literally come down to who draws the pot first. Pot of Greed is a fucking absurd card and there would literally never be any reason to not run it.

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Behold, the strongest deck!

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>>54689300
Forgot Omega. Now behold, the strongest deck!

>>54672878
>[DARK WORLD INTENSIFIES]

>>54683019
Exodia.
Exodia with your friends.
Exodia at your LGS.
Exodia at your Regionals.
Exodia in your window at night.

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>>54689337
Please no.
>that time when everyone and their mothers ran DW because all you had to do was buy 3 structure decks and cobble them together
>DL got friends back into yugioh enough to dig up old decks, but not anything past it
Guess what he played? It's amazing how people will shun white/black bordered cards to the death but see nothing wrong with Dark Worlds going through half their decks in one turn while snipping everything good out of your hand with dragged down to the grave and the like while giving you the option of selecting snoww, snoww, or broww.

>>54683956
eh, i did it better. got it in my first 5 cards in a hand in this game. not sure if this game has faggot RNG or what, but yeah.

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>>54686585
Just like you can stop any other spell card?

>>54689321
Nope, you can only summon 1 monster from your extra deck at once now.

Welcome to Link "We Fixed YGO" Summonning my friend,

>>54690913
You're missing the point. If you think Pot of Greed is the same as any spell card there's no way to cure your brain damage.

What makes a card overly powerful isn't the availability of its counters. This is literally the "dies to removal" argument.

>>54690943
Woah, then you must think this card right here is literally Satan.

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>>54690987

>>54690997
>-1
Lmao

>>54690997
>>54690987
>>54690913
> somebody who has absolutely no concept of card advantage

>>54691282
>concept of card advantage
Buzzwords created by tryhards.

>>54691305
No, it is very real, you actually just have to count.
Or just answer this question: is there ever a better card to draw then Pot of greed?

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>>54691305
>magicfag pretends to understand yugioh

>>54690933
???

>>54691349
You do realize the term card advantage was coined in magic a few years before YGO was even a thing, right?

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>>54691411
Sorry, I only play good card games.

>>54691425
Not playing card games must be nice.

>>54691390
>he doesn't know

>>54691332
Graceful Charity is delectably even better.

Delinquent Duo is better on turn 1, but after that PoG is probably better.

Is there any unbanned card that's better than PoG? Probably not.

>>54671380
You are completly right.
>All the decks would run it
Just like all the decks run the flavor of the month mystical space typhon, bottomless trap hole and the toned down solemn judgment of the set. there are a lot of cards in yu gi oh that are just staples. i don't see what's the problem with having 1 of these. if you were losing and they draw it, you were gonna lose anyway. if you draw it while losing and win, good for you. there is literally no reason it's really a problem except hurt fefes
>Muh deck diverstiy.
Impliying people just don't netdeck the shit that is winning right now. wew lad,

>>54692483
>there is literally no reason it's really a problem except hurt fefes
Because the person who draws it gains a massive advantage every time in all situations. It reduces the game to just "who draws Pot of Greed" at which point you might as well just have a card that says "You win the game" (Pot of Greed would help you draw that though).

>>54672810
>first option
Graceful charity, and if I recall that's banned too.

>>54692483
What would the existence of a card like pot of greed do for the game?
Every answer except" nothing" is delusional.
>if you draw it while losing and win, good for you
you dont need more random bullshit in a game that is already dictcated by who draws their better shit first. The random element of the draw doesnt need a "I draw 2 cards instead this turn"

>>54692544
>>54692557

> It reduces the game to just "who draws Pot of Greed"
the game is already who got the best first hand.who got first his super hyper mega xyz synchro summon and made and otk. if you don't like random games then you should not play yu gi oh

>>54683844
Ramp druid is a weird deck. I can't wait to see what, if any, support it gets in the new set.

>>54692584
but why do you want to make it more random?
Doesnt that imply you would rather throw a coin?
More random favours the person with the lower chance to win.

Been playing this game for 11 years on and off, the meta game peaked and was at its best 2 years ago during Arc-V era pre-PePe.

>>54692606
Because is a game of randomness. you can throw all your strategy throught the window. if we have a random game, we should at least play with good cards. if you don't like randomness, Doesnt that imply you would rather play chess?

>>54671380
Then everyone run a 38 deck card with upstart and PoG. Consistency is the key to building any yugioh deck.

>>54692645
look, if you throw a coin and win, you won a coinflip.
no big deal, right? this game has no character, no decision making whatsoever.
"it should be more random because it is a random game" is not an argument, it is the equivalent of saying "because!" when someone asks you "why?"

Chess is a good example of a game with (almost) perfect balance.

Now, either your problem is that you can only see black or white or you are ignorant on purpose, but a card like pot of greed scewes the game into the direction of meaninglessness.
This is a bad thing by all accounts if you like to play the game.

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>playing advanced format instead of traditional
Your damn fault.

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It becomes limited. How does the meta change?

>>54693593
Too many handtraps these days but still, consistence FTK is cancer

>>54693620
It's not just the FTK that made Frog Burn good, it was Fishborg allowing them to function outside of FTKing.
Fishborg is banned now, but Frogs have something 100000x worse than any synchro that they can spam if you disrupt their FTK.

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>>54671414
>game where cards in hand is a MASSIVE resource and a HUGE FUCKING ADVANTAGE
>'It's not even that good'

>>54680026
shit, card destruction was banned literally because of how many decks plus off discards.

>>54693593
Paleofrog Toad spam becomes a threat again

https://ygorganization.com/infernity-loop-satisfaction-version/
Does MtG have anything like this where you loop for more than 140 days and disable every card in the game?

>>54694108
>infernity loop
someone never played vs ritual beasts

as for MTG, modern and legacy have numerous FTKs and stupid 'I win' combos

>>54694161
>RB loops
>anywhere near Infernity

>>54694195
RB loops were 3 hour turns where they just stalled out for time and won game 1, winning the match

infernity loops are 15 minute turns where they lock down and win.

>>54694227
That's only the Infernity loops that people could be bothered actually doing since they didn't need any more to win.

>>54694227
That Infernity loop takes 140 days

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>>54694108

Here, I made this just for you.

Instructions:
>have in play lattice, echoes, guildmage, fervor
>play meddling mage, naming a card
>put splinter twin on meddling mage
>tap mage to create a new mage, naming a different card and gaining an ever-increasing amount of mana from echoes
>use guildmage to move twin to the new mage
>continue creating mages and moving the twin until you have banned every card in the game
>repeat in every turn's upkeep because the tokens are temporary

You won't get 140-day loops in Magic though, because Magic has rules for resolving infinite situations without having to actually go through all the motions.

>>54683770
Raigeki is fucking worthless most of the time and only delays the inevitable if it does anything at all.

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>>54694108
>>54694395
>140 days
You are like little baby.

>>54694108
Holy hell. I mean, nobody will ever let you play that whole combo out, they'll scoop as soon as you can demonstrate it the first time, or just because they don't want to watch you jerk off.

Is this even practical or is this just a thought exercise?

>>54694907
This is a totally unbiased opinion of course.

>>54671414
>one xtra card
But you delve 2 cards into your deck for no extra cost.

>>54694931
Oh what fresh hell is this?

>>54694889
This can be accomplished easier with just splinter twin, meddling mage, and intruder alarm.

>>54695005
The latter.

>>54695022
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Flint_Lock_Loop

>>54695024

Okay, that's a way better version. Three cards and everything is banned. You can do it on turn four with no acceleration, assuming your opponent is just fondling his balls and not killing the defenseless 2/2.

>>54695022
Have two Flint Locks and Flint one the field along with this spell that gives you life ever time a spell is equipped. Infinitely pass the Flint between the locks to get 10000000000000000 LP and win by deckout (unless your opponent is using the infinite attack BLS loop)

>>54695034
That's what I thought. I didn't even bother trying to make sense of it or understand the effects, so I have no idea if this loop is consistent. Though I'm pretty sure if you could do this, you're already in magical christmas land.
>>54695075
>>54695113
Oh it's just an infinite loop that repeat ad nauseum until you reach an arbitrary life value. X-saber Palumuro or whatever it's called can do a similar loop but requires more setup. I thought this was going to be some even more ridiculous and pointlessly complex.Still straight loses to life equalizer magical explosion combo.

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>>54694108
Well MtG has the best combo.

>>54671380
Nothing much would change. Yugioh would still suck.

>>54671380
>-3 cards in your deck of 40
>+2 cards to your hand

i don't see how you WON'T place it in your deck.

>>54693593
The entire situation around Frog The Jam amuses me greatly.

>>54683770
You haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh since 2005, huh?

>>54695568
>Well MtG has the best combo.

It does, but it's not that one.

>We start with basic combo enablement: let's say for simplicity that you use whatever lands and rituals to cast and sacrifice Academy Rector, putting Omniscience into play and using it to cast Enter the Infinite.

>So before you cast Splendid Genesis, you put some sufficient number of copies (using Nivix Guildmage) of Praetor's Grasp, a tutor or draw spell, and Reverberate on the stack, then you use Quicken so you can cast Splendid Genesis while they're on the stack. After bringing a new player into the game, you will then regain control of all cards you need.

>Before allowing the turn to end, you'll set up your board needed to repeat this operation, and put Frankie Peanuts and Strionic Resonator onto the battlefield. At your upkeep, copy the ability of Frankie Peanuts, so you can ask two questions which must be answered truthfully.

>The first question: "Will you answer the next question with a 'yes'?"
>The second question, if the first answer was 'yes': "Will you immediately commit suicide now?"
>The second question, if the first answer was 'no': "Will you refrain from immediately committing suicide now?"
>This will force the person to commit suicide IRL. Failure to do so is against the rules.
>Repeat until everybody else in the world is dead.

>>54683019
Whoever goes first wins, more so than it already is now.

>>54683019
"I play Pot of greed.
Again.
Again.
I play Graceful Charity.
Again.
Again.
I play Card Destruction.
Again.
Again.
Looks like I just milled myself out lol, it was totally worth it, gg."

>>54696734
Looks like you never dueled Tzeentch.

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>>54696187
dark

>>54694108
http://www.soniccenter.org/sm/mtg/megacombo.html
140 days? How about resolving an action with so many steps to resolution that even Conway's Notation starts to break down expressing just how much -stuff- is going on?

>>54697442
didnt he had a deck made of almost nothing but banned cards?

>>54690933
>>54691650
>doesn't realize that Zoodiac, untouched by the TCG banlist, can very easily make the same ending boards with a single Missus Radiant due to 1-card XYZ monsters

>>54671764
Cards that draw 1 do that.
Cards that draw 2 function like random events where one person just suddenly gains +1 card advantage.

>>54699898
he had several banned cards, yes

and he cheated while using them.

I'll rewatch the episode, and list off every banned card or improperly used card in a moment.

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>>54704263
>>54699898
Tzeentch's turn:
side note, he draws for his turn despite going first. as of august 2014, the player going first does not draw.
>Uses 2 pot of greed: banned.
>Uses 3 card destruction: banned in the TCG(allowed at 1 in the OCG)
>Uses pot of avarice: banned in the TCG(allowed at 1 in the OCG)
side note: Tzeentch cheated while using this card, returning several spells to his deck in order to draw 2. Pot of Avarice can only be used to return MONSTERS.
>Uses morphing jar #2:banned in the TCG(allowed at 3 in the OCG)

Kitten:
Side note: tzeentch could have immediately used magical explosion in the standby phase or at ANY point kitten activated anything(including giant trunade), and won.
>Uses giant trunade: Banned in the TCG and OCG
>Uses mystical space typhoon: unlimited in the TCG and OCG
side note, this is the dumbest shit in this duel- he uses mystical space typhoon to NEGATE magical explosion...which is not how MST works.
>Uses rescue cat: limited to 1 in the TCG
side note: kitten uses this twice to get 3 milus radiant and rescue cat. However, rescue cat's effect negates the monsters summoned, and it can only be EVER used once per turn.

Further note: this is an errata to how it used to work - it did not negate previously, and was not a hard once per turn. However, Tzeentch also used exchange of the spirit, using its updated effect, meaning there's a mix in pre- and post-errata card effects.
>Uses monster reborn: banned in the TCG, limited to 1 in the OCG

>>54704600
The Rescue Cat errata is much more recent than the Exchange of Spirit errata.

>>54704734
it is, but it came out months before the tzeentch video

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>>54683834
>Yu-Gi-Oh! has introduced cards so broken that in order to combat them Konami had to bring back cards that were previously seen as too broken

>>54705384
a good majority of the banlist is still cards released pre-2008.

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>>54705543
>>54705384
Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity, among some others, are on the banlist because they'd be in every deck if they weren't. Others are there because of the dumb shit they did to the metagame, like future fusion was (or is? I haven't looked) for a while.

The problem I have with the banlist is how it seems to hit certain archetypes because they're big (but not overbearing) last format.
>Qli, Burning Abyss and Shadoll are big
>Nekroz gets released
>Looking up top 16, 13 of a given tournament for a while were Nekroz and the other three were usually Qli, or two Qli and one of the other two
>Qli gets the shaft instead of Nekroz Can't speak for the other two, didn't play them during the banlist
>mfw

>>54705824
It was a mistake for Yu-Gi-Oh! to get archetypes big enough to dedicate your entire deck to.

>>54686492
>>54690913
>>54690987
>>54690997
>>54691305
I can't tell if you're serious or legitimately don't understand the fundamentals of card games - especially ones that are this popular. It's okay, anon, but don't get buttblasted when someone corrects you

>>54677672
Honestly, thats not a bad idea, but its too late to implement it… eg. Director damage would be beyond broken.

>>54677672
Honestly they might as well. At this point if either player is using a deck worth a damn the game is as good as over by the third turn.

ITT hyperbole and exaggeration

>>54704600
wow it really IS just a banlist simulator.

>>54674194
See, you have to say it like "I activate my SPELL card, POT OF GREEEEED. This allows me to draw TWO CARDS!". It's all about emphasis.

>>54713934
>>>/lebbit/

>>54704600
What are rules really though?

>>54673803
>How to D.D.

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>>54671380
My Greed/Overdraw deck would be a lot more consistent.

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>>54694108
HEY KID.
LEMME TELL YOU. ABOUT STATISTIC AND MATHEMATICS AND WHY YOU NOW HAVE TO SIT THROUGH ME JERKING IT.

>>54695850
>Frog The Jam
Who's gonna tell him?

>>54720632
I love frog the jam

and his buddy, harpie's brother

and their pet, red-eyes b. chick.

>>54722210
>frog the jam
>harpie's brother
Who?

>>54723866
I'm sorry, my time travel machine is on the fritz.

Slime toad and Sky Scout.

And their pet Black Dragon's Chick.

>>54722210
>>54723866
>>54723882
Why'd they decide to retcon the names? I mean, those cards have been irrelevant for years, why change them?
>I know that it's got to do with the Japanese naming
>Summoned Skull, Lesser Fiend and Axe of Despair, among others, are Archfiends because of it.

>>54724050
They couldn't be bothered wasting space on except "Frog the Jam" all the time.

>>54724050
because there are numerous archetypes that had to constantly exclude them.

look at every frog card ever - 'except "Frog the Jam"

every red-eyes card - 'except "Red-eyes B. Chick"

every harpie card - 'except "Harpie's brother"

another card that's similar is 'diffusion wave motion' which needs to be exempted on fusion cards.

They had to be renamed mostly because of shit translations to start.

>>54724090
>diffusion wave motion
really?

>>54674075
Most decks want particular cards into the graveyard. You Basically draw 3.

>>54724090
>They had to be renamed mostly because of shit game design to start with
FTFY.

>>54727100
I'm not sure how terrible translations have anything to due with game design. Then again this is a PoG thread so shouldn't really expect much.

battle start! turn one, pot of greed, pot of greed, pot of greed, exodia you lose.webm

do i even have to boother looking for the damn thing?

>>54727262
it was posted earlier

>>54683019
>michaelplayayugioh.webm

>>54727100
dunno how much the shit game design has to do with it when, for example, frog the jam is only not considered a 'frog' because its japanese frog name is カエル(frog), and therefore is missing the single goddamn accent that makes it a ガエル(frog).

>>54683019
spellbooks can fuck off

>>54671413
Seems fair because you can always negate it

>>54732839
Not really. If somebody draws their pot of greed in their opening hand, and the other person ends up never drawing theirs because it's on the bottom.

It's just adding more ways for one guy to get screwed over with his draws.

Eh, it being limited isnt honestly that big a deal. If exciton knight or harpies feather duster got limited thatd be much more interesting

>>54732929
exciton just got a reprint and next list is mid september
HFD is for ocg while TCG gets Raigeki to trade em off

>>54727253
The problem is looking up tribes by name you fucking ape.

>>54729991
So? Horrible name design. There is a reason why every fucking game, even HS doesn't look up by name for tribes.

>>54694108
Look up "Four Horsemen," a tournament illegal infinite combo deck. Illegal because you can't guess how many iterations it will take, and so can't skip playing through the combo and will be forced to resign for stalling the game.

why is it that people who haven't played yugioh since they were a kid always try to comment on the meta?

>>54734257

The Four Horsemen is a fucky situation because it's only illegal because of a technicality in tournament rules. You'll succeed in an average of four tries IIRC, it doesn't actually take long.

You'll also inevitably succeed after some amount of tries so opponent should just concede if he doesn't have a counter in hand.

>>54724090
>another card that's similar is 'diffusion wave motion' which needs to be exempted on fusion cards

Jesus christ.

Maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have referred to other cards by names to begin with.

>>54739394
I don't know what you mean. The cards that are causing problems were created before archetypes were a commonly seen thing.

The only one that's entirely the fault of the translators, as far as I'm aware, is Sky Scout.

Otherwise, cards like St. Joan(now considered a Noble Knight), Summoned Skull(now considered an Archfiend), etc were made before archetypes related to them were.

Like I mentioned earlier, literally the only reason Frog the Jam isn't a 'frog' is because the japanese name is missing a " in its katakana.

>>54672810
Not sure how YGO would format this but, pay X*1,000 LP, to draw X cards.

>>54740921
Pay LP in multiples of 1000; Draw 1 card each 1000 LP you paid.

>>54673803
what in the fuck is this bullshit
i cant be allowed 3 macro cosmos but that card exists
thank fuck i didt buy any cards after 2012

>>54694889
You got the combo that makes your opponent rip up their entire deck?

>>54741113
Which would be utterly broken, since the only LP that matters is the last one.

>>54671414
It doesn't so much break the meta as much as just make a card everyone needs to have in their deck since its literally just an upside.

>>54671380
Badly.

>>54673803
So, uh... Why wouldn't I just play as many Pot of Desires as I can in any deck?

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>>54742950
Why would you run a -9?

>>54742950
Because Banish, or Exiling 10 cards for the price of 2 is absolute Shit.

...i could see so much jank if it was just the graveyard. Not the least of which is just including 4 copies of Blasting the Ruins.

>>54743037
It's so shit that most competitive decks played it for the longest time, and some still do.

>>54742950
Hard OPT, destroys your deck so it can't be activated thrice realistically, and most importantly you need good search power to make sure you don't banish what you need especially if your best cards are limited.