Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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If I was to try and build a force for both, are the CSM or SM codices more similar to the Horus Heresy army structure?

>>54667328

30K marines are based off 40K SM. CSM are more like Word Bearers.

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Xth for How's your local store doing?

>>54667355
I'm zero for two playing team Xenos. I haven't retooled for 8e completely.

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>>54667355

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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT

>>54667301
Hey, does anybody have a list of counts as/proxies? I know /WHFBG/ has one, but I think /40kg/ is missing one.

Would people have an issue if I used vostroyans as acolytes with hotshot lasguns?

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>>54667494
IRON WITHOUT, PUT IRON WITHIN ME!

>>54667672

Nah.

At the BAO, a tournament with supposed "strict" rules concerning painting/modeling, a girl used unpainted cat models on unpainted bases to represent conscripts.

Who gives a fuck about the hobby, it is clearly dead

Considering getting back into 40k. Space Marines, at least until Dark Angel book comes out.

I want to do an all Primaris army, but also really dislike Gravis suits which limits my options to the Power Armor Primaris and Tanks. What would be a good starting list (750-1000 pts), and what would be a good long-term goal list be (2000 pts).

Also, slot aside, are Rievers better than Intercessors? Rievers with Bolt Carbines come in at 3 points cheaper than Intercessors with Autobolt Rifles while still having Terror Troops, can be kitted for melee, and can grav chute in and still be 1 pt cheaper.

>>54667767
I was just talking with one of the guys on Monday. He kept going on about how he didn't like to paint or assemble miniatures at all. I couldn't understand why he would bother playing a game like 40K in that case.

>>54667494
why is the paint so grainy?

>>54667328
That structure was used only by some few legions,the rest(including luna wolves) had different organisation

>>54667788
No. Auto Bolt Rifle is the worst Intercessor weapon and you want them for Defenders of Humanity anyway.

>>54667673
Women are weak,they have to be used as a meat shields or slaves to build our fortresses

>>54667767
>BAO
>"strict"

I thought they were doing that 3 color minimum bullshit. I think they give awards for painting though so it behooves you not to just do the retarded bare minimum.

>>54667328
This organization was used by all Legion when they were mainly Terran based. As the Primarchs came about and Legion culture changed, many of the Legions did away with this organizational pattern

>>54667819
>Including Luna Wolves
The Luna Wolves, for example, never went above a company in terms of breakdown, but those companies ranged form close to a thousand to as low as 36 in one.

>>54667790
Assembling's not too hard, just tedious for some people. Guy probably just enjoys actually playing the game and pays someone else to paint his stuff. I do agree with you though, if you don't like painting or modeling this is a weird hobby to get into.

>>54667788
>no oldmarines
>no gravis
>Reavers, Intercessors, Redemptors, and Repulsors only

You're fucked dawg.

>>54667877
I wonder if and when we will get Primaris Bikes, Jump Packs, Honor Guards, Terminators, etc...

And jesus I want some Artificer Armor options on Captains. Or at least Tartaros Terminator Armor.

>>54667494
>Got your asses kicked at Tallarn
>By regular humans in tanks

Looking for help deciding what the main strike force of my army will be. 1500pts on the nose for both. Base is the same for both lists.

-Elite-
>Contemptor Dread, Dread CCW, Kheres AC
-Troop-
>Scout Squad(5), Sniper Rifle(2), H Bolter, Camo Cloaks
>Scout Squad(5), Sniper Rifle(2), H Bolter, Camo Cloaks
-Heavy Support-
>Dev Squad(5), 2 ML/2 LC, Cherub
>Razorback, LC/Twin Plasma, S Bolter
>Dev Squad(5), 2 ML/2 LC, Cherub
>Razorback, LC/Twin Plasma, S Bolter

First is running my HQ and Elites as Jump Pack troops. This one gives me an additional Troop Squad and 6CP, but the Vanguard Vets can't shield the HQ units and are open to being shot at the turn I drop.

-HQ-
>Captain w/Jump Pack, Burning Blade, SS
>Chaplain w/Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol
-Elite-
>Vanguard Vet Squad w/Jump Packs(5), SS(2), P Sword(3), P Axe(2), Plasma Pistol
>Vanguard Vet Squad w/Jump Packs(5), SS(2), P Sword(3), P Axe(2), Plasma Pistol
-Troop-
>Scout Squad(5), Sniper Rifle(2), H Bolter, Camo Cloaks

Second option is using Company Vets and driving them in AC Razorbacks. I lose a Scout Squad, so only 4CP, but the Vets can take shots for the HQ units and the RBs shield the squad for a turn.

-HQ-
>Captain, Burning Blade, SS
>Chaplain
-Elite-
>Company Vet Squad(5), SS(2), P Sword(3), P Axe(2), Plasma Pistol
>Razorback, Twin AC, S Bolter
>Company Vet Squad(5), SS(2), P Sword(3), P Axe(2), Plasma Pistol
>Razorback, Twin AC, S Bolter


Aside from the Jump Packs I have the models for both builds, but I want to focus on finishing a list to play at my shop where they're starting up 40K. Any help and direction would be appreciated.

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>>54667355

My store owner gave reporting to the incompetent megalomaniac

>>54667906
I'd give it at least until end of next year, once they push out the other Codex books and people "forget" that they're trying to phase out oldmarines.

>>54667355
Nothing at my store, should've reported by now, right? Week 1 ends in like 12 hours.
>>54667937
Seriously, I think I might be the only one at my store right now reporting, and it's just with modeling and painting.

>>54667937
>between my two stores, one has zero reports, and the other has 5 chaos wins, 2 xenos wins, 2 imperium wins, and 100% chaos control

I didn't know 40k was so unpopular in one of the highest ranking cities in the country.

>>54667971
I'd rather they had just done it clean. Hey these are the new models. They're bigger than the old ones, they represent the same thing though. Also we're beefing up Space Marine statlines to make them line up with the fluff better.

I don't know how people will take to new Primaris models not in the initial codex so soon after. People won't want to shell out another 50 bucks after just a year.

>>54667906
Never, if they are going to add something from the oldmarines they will make "equivalent" versions, at least for this edition.

>Jump Packs
We already have jump packs primaris.

>>54667869
I would say that aside from a few outliers, most Legions essentially renamed their breakdowns and stayed with it. I know Fists didn't really have any permanent senior command, but they really only changed the names. EC, BA, Sallies, IW(?), Smurfs, a lot of them kept to that list.

What's up folks.
So, I'm a little late to the party with 8th edition Data Sheets. I wanna get this right before I redo my army.
I roll White Scars.
The biggest thing that is confusing me are keywords. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but say I want Kor'sarro Khan. Obviously, there's no option for Moondrakken. But in the 'keywords' It has 'character, infantry, captain, Kor'sarro Khan'. Does that mean that he falls under the 'captain' he can be given the option of a bike? Thus, be given the perks of a captain on a bike? Help me out with this!

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Is it worth it to make an army of Primaris marines using Black Templar or Carcharodons chapter rules? I love the lore of both Black Templars and Carcharodons but space sharks don't seem to have much to go on besides their forgeworld chapter master. From what I've read it's theorized that they come from Raven Guard so do I have to use Raven Guard tactics if I'm running Carcharodons?

From what I'm reading, Primaris marines are great at chunking out hordes while regular marines are more specialized and do better against big vehicles or multi wound weapons. I'm planning on taking a Knight as a mainstay in my force so I feel like I would do fine against hordes and maybe struggle against bigger models that the knight cant 1v1.

DESU I find the Primaris to look a fuck-ton cooler than the regular marines so it would mainly be a visual thing. Do you think anyone would mind if I used Primaris models as normal marines? I'm hearing that there's going to be more and more Primaris shit as 8th goes on so I don't want my army to look like a mish-mash of normal marines and primaris.

>>54668004
i've seen a few people using them lately

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What would you consider a good ratio of
power claws
big shoota
Rokkits
burna
and just choopa weight of dice

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>>54667301
>my forgeworld order from july 11th still hasn't arrived
>not late enough to really suspect something amiss
>but just in the right timeframe for me to check my mail every day

>>54667906

artificer is a free relic and comes with a one turn 3++ too

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>>54667937
>Only Xenos victories
I guess we took more points from Imperium than chaos?

>>54668031
Carcharodons don't have rules yet.

>>54668028
No. Keywords are only referenced by rules. They don't do anything on their own. Just because he has "CAPTAIN" doesn't mean you can give him options from the Captain Datasheet.

Moondrakken was removed from the Codex because it apparently doesn't have a model anymore. If you want to run Khan on Moondrakken you need to use the datasheet in Index Imperium 1.

>>54667935
Why're you playing your scouts with mixed snipers and Bolters? Snipers are only really good en-mass and you might run into a situation where everything is out of range for your Bolters, meaning you have to waste those shots or reposition.

>>54668028
No. Tags don't work that way at all. If you want Khan on a bike you use the Index entry.

>>54668026
I would say by the time the HH rolled around, most of the Legions did differ from the terran pattern somewhat. Namely just to accommodate Legion size and such and probably due to how spread out the legions could be

>>54668004
I mean, I really hoped that Girlyman would've tried to fuck the Imperium and seceded with Ultramar. Would've made the story a lot more interesting. They could've used these models as what Rowboat had planned way back when just coming to fruition since being returned. I really dislike how 99% of Chapters were "hurr durr we love how Rowboat essentially shit on the Emperor's geneseed plans" since manipulating it was a huge red flag.

Honestly I think they should've just called them true-scale and been done with it, but then they wouldn't earn that sweet sweet money.

>>54668092
>They don't do anything on their own.
Well "Fly" does. But yes.

>>54668095
Was just hoping for more flexibility. Think it would be smarter to drop the H Bolter and give them two more rifles?

>>54668114
Fly, Infantry, Monster and Vehicle are the only ones referenced directly in the BRB

>>54668088
Will they ever get rules? I love their design but would hate if they never got anything special.

If they don't get rules could I play them using another chapters tactics? Like it says that they're maybe from the RG so maybe I could play them using RG tactics?

>>54668137
Well if you're just giving them snipers to eat up extra points then I'd say you're fine on that front, but if the idea is to have an effective anti-character force then that's way too few snipers. Which are you going for?

>>54668156
And Character

>>54668159
You can use them as a RG Successor chapter and use the RG rules

>>54668097
>>54668092
Makes perfect sense.
Sadly, Moondrakken NEVER had a model. I've seem people mix match Khan with Sammael's model.

Now I'm curious. Will there be complications with the Index vs. the Codex?

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Changed my Tournament list up a bit. Added Epidemius and Herald of Nurgle for the + buffs and healing you can get for plague drones. After not to long they can hit 8s 2d6 auto hit flamers that reroll wounds of 1 lol. Who needs lascannons?

2000 points
HQ
>1x Typhus
>1x Epidemius
>1x Herals of Nurgle
>1x Malignant Plague Caster
>1x Malignant Plague Caster
Elite
>1x Noxious Blightbringer
Troops
>18x Poxwalkers
>18x Poxwalkers
>17x Poxwalkers
>5x Plague Marines 1x Plasma Gun, 1x Power Fist, 2x Blight Launcher
Dedicated Transport
>1x Rhino 1x Havoc Launcher, 1x Combi-flamer
Fast Attack
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone

>>54668159
possibly a list of forgeworld tactics

>>54668172
Cool!

How would you go about doing the bumps on their shoulders/legs? Those don't seem to be painted so I would have to actually try and do something about converting them.

>>54668159
By RAW their CT should probably be Raven Guard. If you plan to use Tyberos I'd try to stick to Raven Guard tactics for rules consistency. However, if you aren't using him you should feel free to choose any CT from the codex you like. As for their own rules? Don't hold your breath, Forgeworld is notoriously slow and I'm not sure they plan to revisit their Badab War stuff anytime soon.

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>>54667985
>>54667991
>>54668086

Welp. Got the owner to do it. Note that every xenos player here is taking away from the imperium because "fuck the blueberries". I am ok with this.

>>54668165
Fair enough. Changing them up with more rifles.

Any help on what main force to bring? I'm more partial to the spongy Company Vets, but I think the extra CP and bodies helps a lot more than I give it credit...

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>>54667301
What fuck is going on in Russia.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-5-Dornian-Heresy-Ultramarines-MK16-Damocles-pattern-power-armor-/141923378012?hash=item210b4ae35c%3Ag%3AeCgAAOSwl9BWLUib&_trkparms=pageci%253Aaf83bb46-77f8-11e7-bc84-74dbd1803442%257Cparentrq%253Aa60ea49d15d0a9c40ddadb4ffffd1327%257Ciid%253A13

>>54668204

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/11/hobby-studded-power-armor.html

Are Wraithknights worth the points?

They don't seem to have much dakka, though charging them will result in a few squished units.

>>54668259
Fucking pedos asking for extra CP

>>54668278
>Dornian Heresy

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>>54668204
That's MkV power armour. Forgeworld sells MkV marines if you want them. Not all Carcharodons wear it though.

>>54668307

Its russian 40k i ain't gotta explain shit cyka

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>>54668287
they should be already now that the meta and points have changed

So is anyone considering running Renegades for their Legion traits in the new Codex? Army-wide advance+charge seems REALLY good.

>>54668331

>ever paying for MKVII with warts all over it

>>54668353
Where was this spoiled?

>>54668288
All for the extra rolls. Every advantage you can get, amirite?

Also, I fucked up and the jump pack guys should have an extra scout each.

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>>54667301
>creating a new thread without announcing it in the old one

How can one OP be such a colossal faggot?

>>54668362
Fucking disgusting!
Reported!

>>54668360
https://www.brokendicegods.com/single-post/2017/08/02/Grey-Knights-New-Chapter-specific-Primaris-Marines-Codex-Heretic-Astartes-Traits-and-Statagem

>>54668372
and nothing of value was lost

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Defend this Chaos cucks

>>54668353

>paint 30k Thousand Sons
>field as 40k Thousand Sons loyal to Magnus

yay

>>54668307
In soviet Russia, DORN BETRAYS YOU.

>>54668344
So I should pick one up for 50% off then.

>>54668356

Don't you know the fat dudes with warts on their dick are getting all the chicks in NTR doujins you smoothskinned cuck?

>>54668429
Hot.

>>54668418
in soviet russia both you and dorn have already starved to death

>>54668179
>Will there be complications with the Index vs. the Codex?
For a named character with no options, no, none at all. You can run Khan on Moondrakken straight out of the index alongside White Scars stuff from the Codex and they still get all the benefits, Chapter Tactics, Stratagems etc.

>>54668307
Well he DID kill Alpharius, the Big E's undercover agent...

>>54668380

Hrm, if that's what they get, fleet is pretty good and fitting imho

>>54668179
>Now I'm curious. Will there be complications with the Index vs. the Codex?

No. The index entry is legacy support. Khan on a bike is being soft squatted.

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Do characters like Pic Related usually have replaceable shoulder pads? Wanting a Sorceror in mk4 and he looks good if I could get the heraldry off.
Would it work to magnetize him at the waist so I could give him a bike as well?

>>54668489
No. The pad is usually attached to the arm and/or body in resin (and old metal) kits.

>>54668489
>Would it work to magnetize him at the waist so I could give him a bike as well?
How handy are you with a jeweler's saw?

>>54668259
I think going with the Company Vets is a mental trap. The upsides are you're giving your captain and chaplain more survivability, and you're getting 4 more ACs to pelt the enemy with but on the other hand you're losing out on 2 CPs and the ability to drop your elites mostly wherever you want. The Razorbacks mean that (depending on your map) you might not be getting into charge range until T2, whereas with jump packs you're for sure in range T1, and if you think things are too risky you can always just drop behind cover and charge with a higher chance of making it T2. Also, if your elites are high in the sky then your enemy can't counter deploy as easily, since you can always re-evaluate where to drop on the fly. Finally, with how you've kitted out your elites you'll want to be going up against light infantry, medium infantry, and light tanks, which usually don't pack AP. This means your captain, even if he's hard targeted, will be getting his 3+s pretty consistently, which will stretch out his 5 wounds pretty far (which might make the SS overkill, unless you think he'll get his with lots of AP). If you want to make him even tankier you can make him your warlord and give him "Iron Resolve" from the codex which bumps up his wounds to 6 and gives him a 6+ FNP. You'll just have to be careful to place him with plenty of meat shields on all sides so that if the enemy falls back, he can't get targeted by multi-damage weapons and mowed down in one turn.

Then again I'm a BA player so take my hard on for Jump Packs how you will.

>>54667301
WE NIGHT LORDS NOW BABY HOLY FUCK I LOVE THOSE RULES

I have never wanted to play bat heads before and I've never thought that raptors or warp talons were worth running before but now I actually want to make squads of them with icons of despair.

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>>54668489
There you go, anon

This how they come

Are Thunderfire Cannons worth it? Debating them in my Primaris list. Was gonna make a Primaris Tech-Marine to go with it.

>>54668553
Oh Christ I didn't realize my formatting was so terrible. Sorry about that.

I think going with the Company Vets is a mental trap. The upsides are you're giving your captain and chaplain more survivability, and you're getting 4 more ACs to pelt the enemy with but on the other hand you're losing out on 2 CPs and the ability to drop your elites mostly wherever you want. The Razorbacks mean that (depending on your map) you might not be getting into charge range until T2, whereas with jump packs you're for sure in range T1, and if you think things are too risky you can always just drop behind cover and charge with a higher chance of making it T2.

Also, if your elites are high in the sky then your enemy can't counter deploy as easily, since you can always re-evaluate where to drop on the fly. Finally, with how you've kitted out your elites you'll want to be going up against light infantry, medium infantry, and light tanks, which usually don't pack AP. This means your captain, even if he's hard targeted, will be getting his 3+s pretty consistently, which will stretch out his 5 wounds pretty far (which might make the SS overkill, unless you think he'll get his with lots of AP).

If you want to make him even tankier you can make him your warlord and give him "Iron Resolve" from the codex which bumps up his wounds to 6 and gives him a 6+ FNP. You'll just have to be careful to place him with plenty of meat shields on all sides so that if the enemy falls back, he can't get targeted by multi-damage weapons and mowed down in one turn.

Then again I'm a BA player so take my hard on for Jump Packs how you will.

>>54668555

The WL trait and MURDERCLAWS are great and fluffy, but honestly, I'm not expecting the chapter tactics to do a God damned thing.

>>54668399
There are way more Imperium factions than Chaos ones, and Imperium generally is far more popular than alternatives, possibly approaching half of the player base. Why would you expect a minority faction to be on even footing with what is clearly the most popular mega-faction? Many Xenos see this as bullshit, go "Fuck the Imperium" and give all their wins to Chaos.

Flavor-wise, I slightly prefer Imperium over chaos, but this is a rigged event and chaos players don't deserve to be stomped into the dirt without a chance.

t. Xenos filth

So, why can't my CSM squads take double plasma pistol? Why must I be forced to take a non-pistol?

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>>54668307
magic pain thong, reveal your secrets to me

Anyone know how Gravis Armor shoulders compare to normal ones?

>>54668612
Chaos deserve to be shamed.
Mostly because their "tactical genius" crap from their broken codex

>>54667355
>>54667396

how the hell do i look up my store? (inb4 look at op post faggit (the gw website is unintelligible (am I alone or does it seem that websites are hard as shit to navigate these days?)))

Someone help me make up my mind, finally got some money to spend on more Militarum but i can't decide what.
Manticore
Basilisk
Scions with plasmas
Punisher with triple flamer
More Company commanders

>>54668489

His pad is separate.

>>54668679
Go to https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/
Find the 'store finder' section, about 1/3 of the way down
type in your city or w/e into the search bar
find your store

>>54668617
Because Horus broke away before the AM figured out how to give 3 PPs to one squad of 5 Assault Marines. They're working on the last two as we speak.

>>54668602
if you have 1 group of warp talons, 1 group of raptors with icon of despair and 1 jump pack chaos lord with relic claws and drop them all in together you're looking at anything that they fight having -5 leadership. -3 from the chapter tactics, -1 from banner and -1 from raptors. At -5 leadership even space marines with a Sgt are down to 4 leadership. Even if you only murder two or three space marines they are going to lose a couple more to morale even with reroll leadership tests.

That doesn't sound good to you? Fuck man at -5 leadership even necrons are going to be running away and necros who flee can't reanimate.

I don't think it's going to be game breaking but I do anticipate anyone you fight losing models to morale for free.

>>54668710
Unless you play against Guard, Nids or Orks

It's not bad against everyone else though

>>54668688
Scions with Volley Guns are really annoying to fight so I'd say that. Also, I've fought a Basilisk with a Master of Ordinance and that was annoying, but not as annoying as two Heavy 4 S4 AP -2 D1 in every squad.

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If I wanted a small detachment of around 1000-1500 points of guard, realistically how many squads of vostroyans should I order if I wanted to play them mechanized ?

>>54668693
thnx anon

>>54667866

the 3 color minimum was not enforced at all. Some of the lists in the top 10 had conscripts that were just primed white. One guy had a dark eldar list that was just monocolored plastic birds from cocktails or some shit.

Of course there were plenty of beautiful armies as well, but why even bother having rules listed if they're not going to enforce them?

>>54668723

I genuinely think people over estimate the coverage a commissar will get in an average game

synapse creatures die

orks are pretty decent against it but its good for finishing them off.

>>54668612
I'd agree if it was Imperium vs. Orks or something but I'm kind of bitter over the amount of plot armor Chaos gets in fluff. I feel pretty confident in saying that Chaos will have zero negative repercussions if they somehow manage to lose.

>>54668728
How does deepstrike and heavy weapon work? do they get worse bs?

>>54668723
I want to try to make guard multi-vehicle units run away. If I make a leman russ run away by killing another one my life would be pretty much complete.

>>54668750
Besides the Chaos gods torturing them for 10,000 years in the warp for failure? Shit man even Abbadon does not tolerate weakness. Remember that guy Horus? HORUS WAS WEAK. HORUS WAS A FOOL!

>>54668710

They will all fail their 9 inch charge and then be blown off the table, chaos-kun.

>>54668735
It should be mandatory to paint your army. Or at least most of it. Yeah new players and people who just bought a new unit won't be able to have fully painted army, but effort should be made.

"But I just like playing the game and hate painting". Too bad, faggot. Maybe you should have picked a different game where the painting and building wasn't such an integral component, like chess.

However, I am not a hypocrite. This swings both ways. We should be able to kick down the doors of people who only paint and never play, and force them to game by gunpoint.

>>54668789
>game where the painting and building wasn't such an integral component, like chess.

This faggot doesn't paint his chess pieces. What a pleb.

>>54668756
Leman Russ operate as independent units, so that'll remain a pipe dream.

2000 points
HQ
>1x Typhus
>1x Epidemius
>1x Herals of Nurgle
>1x Malignant Plague Caster
>1x Malignant Plague Caster
Elite
>1x Noxious Blightbringer
Troops
>18x Poxwalkers
>18x Poxwalkers
>17x Poxwalkers
>5x Plague Marines 1x Plasma Gun, 1x Power Fist, 2x Blight Launcher
Dedicated Transport
>1x Rhino 1x Havoc Launcher, 1x Combi-flamer
Fast Attack
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone
>1x Foetid Bloat-Drone

dammit quality control this damn list.

>>54668777
Okay, well, some no-name characters will get screwed like the fake Lucius the Imposter or Ygethmor after that Medusa V campaign. But you'd have to be nuts to think that anything major is going to happen to actually usable characters, particularly since Mortarion and the Death Guard are the ones driving this show and their codex is pending.

Most likely Mortarion is just told to make up for his failure at Konor by fucking up realspace really hard and spreading Papa Nurgle's Love as penance.

>>54668789
>>54668803
Tfw i actually painted the chess pieces i made in shop class.

>>54668751
They count as having moved, so -1 BS

>>54668756
That would be a beautiful thing

>>54668803
>both players have black pieces
>"Wha-"
>"Checkmate, bitch!"

>>54668829
>King me!

>>54668827
Then i will stick with plasma scions rather than volley guns, but thank you anyway.

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So /tg/, I've been thinking about how to improve seeing as I lose all my games, all of them, and I'd like your advice.
>Rhinos
Seem like a trap option for the most part, too many points spent on a unit that doesn't need to pay so much for protection and aren't that useful getting a turn 2 charge.
>alpha strike
Usually I try to go all out with my lord, sorcerer and terminators dropping in together and the terminators charging off but they usually leaves me open to retribution. I think maybe it's best to sit back and keep them all in a group doing as much ranged damage as they can.
>powers
I was thinking smite, infernal gaze and warptime. Mortals wounds seem more valuable than prescience, the main thing seems to be to use it to trigger death to the emperor for extra attacks but the ability to dump mortal wounds on something with a stupid invuln has shown itself to be more valuable.

>>54668789

I would be totally fine with playing against some shitstain from Idaho who wanted to put a lego man on a base and call it Guilliman if I didn't have to pay 60 dollars for the fucking privilege. I can't believe they had the audacity to charge that much, and I can't believe they have a gaggle of morons who fly around the country doing it.

>>54668781
50/50 shot, and we're chaos, we like those odds

>>54668859
Don't forget, we're getting new mark specific and generic powers in the codex too. One of them is that one they just previewed that is warp charge 6 and gives a single model +2 strength and +1 attack and yes, it does work on demon princes and helbrutes.

Fuckin' cool as hell imo

>>54668861
>yfw people make dozens of flights to collect points and top their army's scoreboard

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>>54668864

I mean i hope you are right, dogg. I'd certainly like to make some loyalists shit their pants and run away.

>>54668899
Fuck yeah! That daemon prince looks amazing btw.

>>54668859
what's your list? points or power? for me my general tactic of get into combat fast works because seekers but they don't have a lot of staying power (damn you 8th fall back from combat when you want rule)

>>54668672
I don't see how the players, many of whom have been playing for years, should be shamed for poor lore done by the writers.

>>54668750
I think we all know it doesn't matter in the end. GW will write whatever they want. It's more about bragging rights and shot-talking for years to come.

>>54668859
My 1500 list is
HQs: terminator lord, terminator sorcerer
Troops: gun cultists with flamer, 5 man squad with flamer, 5 noise marines with sonic blasters and blaster master
Elites: 5 terminators and two hellbrutes
Fast attack: 5 raptors with two meltas, plasma pistol and axe, 2 spawn
Heavy support: havoks with four heavy bolters

Normally I try to rush them down with terminator sorcerer combo but I'm thinking I could be smart and have them just castle up within 12" and the sorcerer warptimes the raptors instead.
Other than the havoks everyone rushes forward as fast as they can, hopefully presenting too many nasty targets to remove.

Good plan, right?

>get outbid on a carnifex at 61 bucks plus 8 for shipping
>MSRP is 53
Get fucked.
Also is the nid swarm box with gargoyles, gaunts and a carnifex worth it?

>>54668920
Have you tried using fiends of slaanesh? Only fliers can resist that delicious stank.

>>54668899
>green nurgle guys
>not blue tzeentch guys

WHY

>>54668944
Because we're chaos and we can do whatever the fuck we wanna do!

>>54668859
I'd take a Razorback over a Rhino any day. A rhino is just a giant storm Bolter, but a razorback can be a poor man's las-pred.

>>54668921
Personally, I'm fine with players picking whatever faction. I just think Carnac is deluded when he tries to argue that Chaos are genuinely anything approaching the good guys.

>>54668730
Probably 3-4 Infantry squads since a squad in a Chimera will probably run you 175 pts. or so fully kitted.

>>54668936
I tried them but they just seemed like weaker spawn.

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>>54668818
Fucking hell dude, stop posting your damn list and just play. I see you in every thread.

>>54668917

thanks my dude. He put in some work.

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Looking at making a Death Company Jump-Pack Assault list. What can I do to improve this?

I will probably swap out the DC Dread for a Redemptor.

>>54668955
I think the underutilized secret power of rhinos is to crash them into gunlines and force the gunline to fall back and lose a turn of shooting. I agree that I'm not that big of a fan of them though, I wish they were a little cheaper. Maybe they will get something good in codex like more wargear or a price reduction.

>>54668710
You're dumping all that shit into a. Single unit that you're planning to make run away when you're actually just going to kill it outright instead. You're also dedicating 328 points MINIMUM into doing this. That's a barebones jump lord, 5 barebones raptors with despair, and 5 warp talons. This jumps to 607pts if you give the lord claws, go to 10 raptors with plasma, and 10 warp talons. If I have all 3 of those units near ANYTHING, that unit shouldn't even be alive to fail it's moral test.

>>54668950
>Slaanesh Chaos Lord's face when his warband refuses to color coordinate properly

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who wins ?

>>54668964
Yeah they aren't really for attacking, they're for making it so people can't fall back until they kill them. In theory I'd like to get into a fight with a dark apostle nearby my troops, then use the dark apostle's movement phase to summon a fiend on a single d6 (just 2 power level remember) and then have the fiend charge in hopefully and join the fight.

Could be a pipe dream though, I've never pulled it off in a fight.

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>>54668955
Every chaos player agrees with you but unfortunately that technology is beyond our grasp.

Does anyone have that image of like Rick Priestly lording over his Chaos Army from some old white dwarf? Someone posted it the other day and it was amazing.

>>54668981
Good point. What if I multi-charge like four groups of tau or something? Would it be worth it then if I only kill 3-4 guys per unit and then they lose several more?

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>>54668995

My wife actually told me "I don't like when the guys are all the same color!"

I think poxwalkers are cooler than cultists so I just did it.

>>54668981
I mean, you could charge multiple units and still have them effected by multiple auras.

>>54669017
Dark apostles don't have the daemonic ritual special rules, it's a chaos daemons army rule, he cant summon.

>>54669053
lol read the summoning rule again, any CHAOS character can summon

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>>54668978
>tfw your rhino gets a stormbolter, combi plasma, and Frag missiles

>>54669063
Except Cypher.

>>54669082
Oh right, that was in the FAQ wasn't it?

>>54668935
Yeah if you want to run a bunch of Guants. It ends up being a massive saving.

>>54669040

I'd say the tau were retarded for having their units so close to each other that they got multi charged

>>54668974
>What can I do to improve this?
Sanguinary Priest
make it 11 points cheaper.

>>54669069
I honestly really like dakka rhino, I wish it was slightly cheaper though, but I mean what don't I wish was cheaper

>>54669047
Your wife is cheating on you with a black man.

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>>54668995
>his chaos army isn't a wide spectrum of colors

>>54668936
not a bad idea, but they're rather expensive and for some reason can only be run as singles.

>>54669113
Battlescribe isn't updated, still shows Thunderhammers as 20pts instead of 16, so that alone will drop it below 2000. I'll definitely look into getting a Sanguinary Priest in the list somehow too.

>>54669100
What, you've never seen a bunch of tau packed into cover together?

Alright, so I think we can agree that the best use of that morale shit is for scoring a bunch of free kills on multiple units or really large units that aren't morale protected.

Could be that it doesn't do all that much work but I like it in theory even if it turns out to be a stupid meme.

>>54668925
How do you usually time the different unit's charges ? Like do you deep-strike the Raptors alongside the Terminators and have them charge too ? Are the footslogging units also ready to charge or about to ?
I see a lot of people doing bad with melee armies right now because they charge their army piecemeal into the enemy lines. And that no longer works, even an armylist with 150 Ork boys is easy to handle if the idiot playing it keeps feeding you his units one at a time with Da Jump and never sets up his charges so that more than one or two units can charge.

>>54668592
Thanks dude. I can totally see your reasoning. I'm not at home right now but jump packs also let me charge flyers, right?

He is my warlord, but I choose to give him the burning blade for more damage.

In the end, is either list likely to get wrecked quickly? Since I'm just starting out, I'm really hoping to have some games without getting destroyed.

And with that, the hunt for jump packs I like begins...

is there a PDF of just the full rules from the new edition? not the battle primer

>>54669135
Hmmmm, in the index it says you can add more fiends to a unit of fiends, did that get changed?

>>54668472
>>54668486
Sounds good. Fluff wise, I wanna rebuild him again. But there isn't any perks other than Turbo Boost. I mean, in 7th, if he was on a bike, bikers can be taken as troops.

>>54669063
Except that rule is unique to chaos daemons, it's a chaos daemons army rule in the same way daemons don't get death to the false emperor.

>>54669156
Hell yeah flying units can charge airborne flyers, I charged a necron batjet with my demon prince from around a corner and meleed it to death in a single turn once, it was fucking amazing.

>>54668588
The -1ap buff they got in the codex makes them much better than the ap 0 in the index. It's essentially 2-3 heavy bolters (8 shots average) that can fire across the map at something they can't see. Plus they're cheaper than they were in 7th. Good for whittling down squads, bit gone are the days of 20+hits thanks to lucky scatter

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>>54669133

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So I just bought my first list save for the scourges:

-Venom 65
>2 splinter cannons 30
(95)

-Raider 95
>dark lance 20
>shock prow 1
(116)

-3 Reavers (+1T drug) 90
>agoniser 4
>blaster 15
>grav talon 5
(114)

-5 Scourges 70
>4 dark lances 80
>blast pistol 10
>venom blade 5
(164)

-5 Kabalite trueborn 55
>4 blasters 60
>agoniser 4
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>blast pistol 10
(132)

-9 Kabalite warriors 63
>agoniser 4
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>blast pistol 10
>blaster 15
(95)

-Archon 54
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>huskblade 10
>blaster 15
(82)


TOTAL: 799

Most of it was ordered online but I do have the venom. The website and store were out of scourges :(.

Only thing is that I'm worried that kabals are inferior to wych cults (ugly troops/elites) and haemunculus covens (I don't get how to start this). Don't take me for some powerfag. It's just rough to hear your favourite is the worst sub faction. I'm not sure whether I like haemunculi or archons (both awesome), but everyone I talk to runs a wych list.

>>54669189
>Plus they're cheaper than they were in 7th

Ehm no, in 7th you got yourself a Thunderfire cannon for 100 pts, whilst even after the drop in points it's still more than 120 pts right now.

does that smaller starter "know no fear" set come with the full rules or just the rules you get in the battle primer?

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>>54669027
Wait, Chaos can't take Razorbacks?

>>54669204
He's bigger than you too

>>54669165
no, i'm just an idiot. now i'm off to do 18 faps to please slaanesh

Dunno what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get nids to work. Got tabled essentially by turn 3 against necrons.

>>54669231
Pretty sure just the primer.

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I told an anon last night I'd show him my kitbashed daemonettes, not sure if he's here, and sorry I'm late, but tadah?

>>54669237
They can only take combi-weapons and a havoc launcher on their Rhinos. Which is close, but just not quite the same as a twin lascannon for example.

Plus the entire Rhino is gone if you've given it a combi-plasma and roll a 1 whilst firing on overcharge

>>54669174
Hmmmm... Looks like you're right. That's weird, I could have sworn that I've read something official about heretic astartes units summoning in demons, but I guess I was wrong.

To make the thing I was talking about work I think the best thing to do would be to bring a herald of slaanesh then I guess. Does herald gives CSM units that are daemons with a mark of slaanesh warp talons, possessed, etc +1 STR or is that also wrong?

>>54669263
aw that's dumb so I have to get the full rules too

>>54669280
That's what Dark Imperium is for.

>>54669237

Nope. Never could. We used to get slightly more options for our rhinos, though. Chaos is for marine players who like hardmode.

>>54669270
I remember you anon.

Not him, but still neat

>>54669184
I think that might be the clincher for me.

Last question for now. Is dropping the cherubs for twin LC on the Dev razor backs a better idea than the LC/Plasma combo?

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>>54669229
Where are you getting those points from? See pic related, I just took it from my codex this second - 81pts

>>54669270
Niiiice, those look good man

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>>54669293
Thank you.

>>54669302
You didn't add all the wargear you retard. The techmarine's guns and shit is at least a quarter of the total points, one servo-arm is already 12 points.

>>54669174
>Cypher got errata to prevent him from taking an action he can't take.
You're really activating my almonds here senpai.

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>>54669307
I have another 20 in similar style, but only half are painted.

>>54669224
>no incubi

Just burn your plastic soldiers

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Which would you be more willing to allow.

Javelin Land Speeder proxy as Chaos Pred

or just let me use it as a Chaos Javeling LS?

163 points as I would be running them

>>54669224
All the subfactions are good, it's just the talos/cronos took a big nerfbat coming in to 8th.

>>54669224
First I've heard of Kabals being worst. The shooting power of all Kabals is very formidable. Usually covens are listed as worst now.

>>54669353

neither, chaos doesn't have the resources to maintain land-pattern anti grav

>>54669302
A Servo-Harness is 40 points, and it's mandatory.

>>54669339
My apologies, I am indeed a retard. Stupid 8th ed and not including wargear in points...

>>54669142
If you get a Sanguinary Priest then you'll be able to switch to power swords while still having an effective S5.

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>>54669353
Neither?

>>54669341
In the most playtested edition ever?!
More likely than you think!

Keep in mind these are the same guys who had to state that more than 9" away means you're not allowed to be within 9" and other such gold as yarrik not being a scions HQ.

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>>54669365
Huh. I suppose people are just playing for the fluff. Thanks man.

Also, what would be a good raider crew for my archon? 5 incubi (fuck off >>54669351) and a full court as well as the archon?

>>54669275
As long as they have the required keywords I think a herald can buff possessed and shit, yeah.

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>>54667355
I'm helping the Imperium lose ground, thank god the rest of the players are better than I am. Got my IG BTFO by nids. It's only my second game of 8e, and both games I've lost really really badly. I might just stick to the hobbying aspect at this rate.

>>54669420
What does playtesting have to do with waacfags deliberately misinterpreting rules in their own favor?
If anything, I appreciate that they're squashing that shit right out of the gate instead of allowing these assholes to ruin the edition before its even gotten off the ground.

>>54669461
He's saying that because retarded faggots commonly use the presence of FAQs to argue that 8th edition isn't the most playtested edition ever, when

1) the fact we have so many FAQs and so fast is proof of playtesting
2) we empirically have far more playtesting than previous editions, where there was practically zero FAQs and playtesting
3) playtesting doesn't mean error free

It's a meme.

>>54669461
Yeah, the game feels reasonably well playtested, especially given the pretty huge range of units across the factions

The Forgeworld stuff and a few of the index choices admittedly feels a bit rushed though.

>>54669174
LOL just figured out why you are wrong. The Daemonic Ritual rule on the datasheet doesn't indicate which characters can USE Daemonic Ritual it indicates which units can be SUMMONED with Daemon Ritual. Any CHAOS CHARACTER (caps to indicate keywords here lol) can summon. Only Chaos Demons units with the Daemonic Ritual rule can be summoned.

SUMMONER APOSTLE IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

So I've got an old model I want to repaint. It's got several layers and some 'ardcoat on it. Is there a chemical to strip all that off or am I better off getting a new model?

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what could It be? I hope its bugs somehow.

>>54669535
Is it metal? If so, acetone and/or paint thinner.

Is it plastic? Simple Green or Purple Power and pray.

How would I go about getting my Reavers/Hellions to stay on their ball/stem base? I tried smaller magnets before on some others I own but those don't work either.

>>54669143
I've never seen them in a position to get multicharged by 3 units of jump infantry, nor have I seen them in big enough squads to care about losing dudes to moral. The one tau dude who uses infantry has a tendancy to park EWS suits nearby because there's a lot of deep striking in our store.

>>54669552
probably a beast of nurgle.

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Hey guys, what do I need to run a decent Primaris Army? I own the Dark Millenium box, a Captain, and a Librarian. Do I need anything else?

>>54669552
not sure i like the switch to art over a model. with teeth like that it's a monster for sure. i'm thinking chaos > nids > ork squiggoth. that's if it's 40k, no idea about AoS

>>54669535

'Ardcoat is acrylic so it strips like any other acrylic paint. As long as they didn't use enamel or lacquer or house paint or some shit underneath, you can strip it with rubbing alcohol.

>>54669584
Reivers and Aggressors.

>>54669416
>>54669379

Fags both of you, I better see every upgrade and a fully painted army or you're both double niggers

>>54669566
I was mostly being facetious but I've definitely seen big packs of guys huddled up in ruins before.

>>54669645
>implying a straight up full proxy is on the same level as counts-as or incomplete paintjobs

Joke's on you my army is entirely WSYIWG and I only field fully painted models. Being able to rub that fact in your face is just a bonus, and I'm not even either of those guys but I agree with them.

>>54669423
I just give him a blaster, agonizer and Phantisms and stick him in a raider with 9 Kabalites. I might do him with 9 incubi or a ssylth. Not sure. He really isn't too great in combat right now, main thing is that he is a tank.

So, why don't people run Splinter Cannons on Scourges to help clean up hordes?

>>54669562
>>54669596
Great!

Now, is this a matter of "soak it and watch it peel off" or "scrub it raw for hours?"

>>54669694
Acetone should be watch it peel with a bit of scrubbing to get it out of nooks

>>54669423
>and a full court as well as the archon?
The Court is pretty good, I'm running 2 Sslyth and 2 Medusae for some good short range fire power.

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Tried the list in the picture today. Went absolutely terrible and I feel really underwhelmed with Tyranids. No idea what I should change to make things go better.

>>54669689
Because Splinter Cannons are 15 points and an extra Scourge with a free Shardcarbine is 14 points.

>>54669694

All my paint strips in seconds in rubbing alcohol, fast scrub with toothbrush gets off everything that hasn't sloughed off by itself, but I use acrylic primer and acrylic paint and thin my paints.

I've had stuff that I wasn't the one who painted and it doesn't strip. Must be thick enamel primer or something.

>>54669564
Anyone?

Whats the base size for Primaris units?

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Ok. It's been ages since I played 40K.

1. Can Imperial Guard do full tank no Guardsman armies again?
2. Are Guard tanks competitive?

>>54669797
32

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>>54667906
God I hope we get Primaris Bikers. I just started a White Scars army and really want to not include any marinelets in my army

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>>54669801
Full no tank? Eh, not really. You can go without the SHITTY FUCKING CHIMERAS, though!

Also, it depends on the tank. Chimeras/Lemans are pretty much garbage unless it's Pask, but the rest are decent.

>>54669801
Yes and yes

>>54669801
No and no and that woman is an ugly dyke

>>54669694
Simple green works amazing on metal and plastic models

>>54669756
Alright. That makes sense. I just need to pick up a few more boxes of Scourges for my army.

>>54669758
>>54669758
Any idea if you can just rub the alcohol on the model instead of dipping it? I have a tank that needs stripped and putting it in a giant-ass tub to stip it will be a pain in the ass.

>>54669878

You probably can. Slathering a generous amount so that liquid pools on the surfaces should be the same as submerging, just with less coverage. Rubbing alcohol is pretty cheap so I just buy a couple bottles of the stuff.

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How are scouts? I want to start an army of Raptors with scouts and reivers.

>>54669810
>Don't worry! Your TERRIFYING Rievers(tm) and Inceptor(tm) squads will take full advantage of the WHITE SCARS chapter tactic!

>>54669852
My virgin detector is off the charts from that post!

>>54669878
It's best to soak, honestly you could get a cheap bucket from home depot (or free from a restaurant or something) and put it in there with whatever solution. Even shitty little grocery stores always have mop buckets that would work, it's not really even a pain in the ass at all.

>>54669859
It only takes 2 weeks of soaking to do it, too!

>>54669936
try like an hour, shit's easy as fuck

>>54669652

That's fair. I'm just really bitter about the tactics and how people think it will do anything.

I've got a DE Start Collecting box, and a box of wyches. I'm planning to pick up a Lelith Hesperax.

What's the next best port of call after that? I'm thinking either a second SC or a Gangs of Commoragh, but don't really know.

>>54669952
lol stop being so mad all the time then my boy.

another thing I just thought of was using it to fuck over units that take a ton of firepower to kill otherwise, like necron wraiths. If I could get one wraith to run in the morale phase after killing one with a smite that would be huuuuge for me, those things are so fucking annoying it drives me crazy

>>54669936
Are you speaking from experience, anon? I've been able to clean a model off after maybe a day or two on average, almost a week at most.

>>54669980
>lol stop being so mad all the time then my boy.

Do you even Khorne?

>>54669931
>stop disliking what i like
You first, plebbit

>>54669944
>>54669999

Not him but I don't like how I actually have to put effort and force into scrubbing after a SG soak. SG is a cleaner, not a stripper. The stripping agent is only like 1% of the liquid. It's very diluted.

>>54669000
We all do, for seeing a pic that awesome.

>>54669810
I'm expecting Jetbikes honestly.

>>54669852
>I can tell someone's sexual orientation just by looking at them

>>54669926
Cheap and good.

>>54670038
Hey, I can tell you're a fag just by reading your response, so it's not that far of a leap.

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>>54669930
>Bellsarius Cawl™ never taught his AMAZING PRIMARIS MARINES™ how to ride bikes
>Get bullied by White Scars Marinelets for having a shitty dad
>In battle, PRIMARIS MARINES™ have to walk or take the REPULSOR™ bus while they stare out the windows, crying into their helmets as their "Battle Brothers" ride into battle atop glorious bikes.

Stop this abuse. Please.

>>54670038
Not being able to identify things based on looking at people is a primary symptom of autism, anon

>>54670038
You sort of can, yes. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

>>54669999
Yup. Took 2 weeks to strip them properly with that shit of a cleaner. Alcohol is better. It strips within seconds, doesn't damage the models, and is cheap as fuck.

>>54669584
How about a 750 point list. Do I need anything for that?

>>54669047
Are those crypt flayers "Chaos Spawn" ?

Can Reivers use normal shoulder pads?

>>54670100
I waa thinking that or possessed.

>>54669353

the proxy.

>>54669980

I'm a night lords player. The worst of the worst. The jobbiest of the jobbers. I don't think it's possible

>>54669968
SC is good, it'll pad you out with more Kabalites (convert at least 5 into a squad of Trueborn with blasters), and more boats are always welcome. Venoms are good for getting your troops in quick. Play some low point games after that, and find out what your struggle with most.

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>>54670110
Yeah but seems too big and too few for possessed.
>even with +1W in codex

Great idea for spawn tho, especially NL for the extra -1Ld on theme with bats. Too bad you can't give spawn wings or it would be absolute perfection

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>>54670048
>Even scout bikers laugh with a 14" stride.
>Aggressors have attack bikes circle round them
>Primaris Lieutenants look upon their un-Cawled brother lieutenants leaping around in their jump packs.

>>54670115
I just did the math and it's going to be amazing for fucking over wraiths. The necron player that uses them in our meta always runs straight towards my havocs with the wraiths to fuck them over and make them useless. If the havs bring an icon of despair and I drop in a crew of raptors behind the wraiths, that's -5 LD.

At -5 LD if I smite down or get lucky and shoot down one wraith, he's losing 1 wraith in the morale phase on a 5 or 2 on a 6. If I manage to kill two wraiths that's one more on a 4, two on a 5 or three on a 6.

Fuck you invuln save, welcome to scary town!

Even if the havs all die to the wraiths (they usually do anyway) I might actually clear out the wraiths before the game ends this way which isn't how it usually goes. Those fuckers live forever, man.

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I played my second game of 8th today and died horribly. Please help me know what my list is missing so I can hopefully improve at this game. To be built still are 5 heavy weapons teams (was thinking mortars with an autocannon or two), and another box of Guardsmen/vets.

>>54670008
>muh roddot
Famalam...

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Okay so...

I have a ton of models and I was considering an army something like this.

>1st Company Terminators
>Scout Snipers
>Celestine
>20 Seraphim
>Bolter bitches filling in some troop slots

Was thinking Celestine & Seraphim would provide some good synergy to terminators. I can get my anti-tank in with Predator & Whirlwind. Should be able to do all this around 2k.

I have enough models for 3 companies of Ultramarines and around 4,000 points of sisters. Trying to find a good synergy between the armies for Konor -without- buying new models.

Opinions on what might work better?
Or should I just put the entire 1st company on the table and stop trying to use my sisters in strength?

>>54670176
sorry mate first step is stop using that shitty program, your list is probably mispriced right now so never using those retarded incorrect programs is step one

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I've been out of the hobby for a long time, but I don't want to throw away my models. I would rather sell/rehome them to someone who would enjoy them.

They are really well painted though. How would you calculate the resell value of models? Is there a formula or guide? Base price x something?

Where would be the best place to put them up? Local website (Gumtree) or Ebay, or is there another option?

How do d6 damage weapons work? Do you roll for all copies of that weapon firing together in one roll, or roll for each wound separately?

>>54670191
What do you have?

>>54670191
half to 3/4 retail for painted and assembled models, highly doubt that they are painted well enough to command commission prices

>>54669968
Both are pretty good value for money as they go, but they're obviously taking your force in different directions. Reavers and Hellions back by a Succy Succ are pretty good. Another SC puts you towards more shooty Kabalite stuff, especially as you can make some of the Kabalites Trueborn.

>>54670147
I wish. Wish possessed could get wings too.

Wish Chosen were 2W too. Lots of wishing.

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>>54670199
You roll damage separately for each wound that gets through their saves

>>54670199
For lascannons you'd roll to hot and wound at the same time and then d6 damage one at a time if it's a multiwound squadron or just all the damage at once if it's one unit like a tank or something.

>>54670220
>>54670223
Alright. I was looking around the rulebook and didn't find it. That's how I thought it would work. Thanks!

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>>54670188
I would love to know what the fuck is up with Battlescribe lately. It was reliable for early 8th but all of a sudden it's like they can't properly support anything. Half the values are fucked up, it glitches constantly, and it doesn't properly list things.

Bolters or Plasma on Incepters?

>>54670171

Why not use Soulburners?

>>54670100

yea dogg

>>54670181
>reee reeee no meanie words for me
That's nice to hear my dear autistic reddit friend

>>54670199
You're supposed to roll for each shot separately but it doesn't really matter unless you are shooting at multiwound squads

It's supposed to go

roll to hit(doesn't matter if it's all together)
roll to wound(doesn't matter if all together unless there's some shenanigans from the hit rolls)
roll to save(can be all together unless previous shenanigans)
roll to damage(should be done individually, but it only matters if its against multiwound squadrons, since if you roll a bunch of d3 or d6 wounds together, there is nothing stopping your opponent mixing the wounds to minimize damage, like taking 2 1 damage hits on a las cannons and then a 6 damage one to finish off a guy)

>>54670241
Because forge world shit sucks

>>54670217
I think chosen with 2W would be expensive. Extra Ld and A with great options for 3pts a mini is pretty decent.

Tho I find I only field havocs and chosen nowadays, and no troops Chaos Warriors

>>54670254
So this is the power of retarded waacfaggotry.

The attacker declares which model is shooting and which weapon is being fired. The opponent does not get to choose the order in which damage is assigned, it is assigned in the order that the weapons are fired.

>>54670271
I want it just to justify using Primaris models with them. :P

>>54670259
>buy pair of plastic contemptors from ebay for $50
>put two punchy fists on one
>add chaosy but to each arm
>now have two punchy fists with soul burners
>take other contemptor
>put put blades on asscannons
>now you have 2 butcher cannons

Wow

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>>54670167
>PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™ marching behind his fellow brothers
>Suddenly, the sound of revving engines
>PRIMARIS ANICIENT™ turns to the Captain in a panic
>"Oh no, it's the marinelets!"
>Out of nowhere, a Captain on a bike pulls up beside the PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™, kicking dust and mud onto his clean armour.
>Company Ancient drives past his Cawl-Brother, snatching the company banner out of his hand and snapping it in half
>As the pair drive off, the Captain shouts over his shoulder
>"Nice Gravis Armour Fatty!"
>PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™ later goes home and cries himself to sleep, knowing he will never have the privilege to drive a bike, for his armour would crush its frame.

Ordered up all the heads, shoulders, and extra bits for my Black Guard Primaris list. Gonna be fun.

>>54670294
>have to admit that you brought forgeworld rules to your local games
>have to admit that the real rules weren't good enough for you to win
>have to live down being That Guy for the rest of your life
>never getting to take pleasure in your wins because you know that You Are That Guy

Wow is right, I'll spare myself that fate thanks

>>54670271
Wait for not!primaris chaos marines

The extra wound on Possessed is great. I already thought they were being underestimated, now they're definitely good.

>>54670253
>autistic
Takes one to know one ;^}

>>54669676
He's not good in combat? He seems fine to me. I'll just stick with the warriors then.

>>54670335
I wish they got some other possessed bonus. Like extra charge range or something, maybe 1+1d3 attacks. I do like them though.

>>54670171
Holy fuck I just realized that if I bring chaos spawn that's another -1 LD, so 1 squad raptors and 1 chaos spawn are -2 LD each, and if I bring another squad with an icon of despair that's -2 more for a total of -6 LD.

Fuck me that's nuts

>>54670328
wat

who/where do you play that you are labeled "that guy" for using Forge World stuff? I feel like this is an elaborate troll

>>54668031
Don't think it's ever been officially stated that they are a raven guard successor, it's been hinted but not outright said if I recall correctly. Pretty sure you could run whatever chapter tactics you wanted with them.

>>54670376
No wonder you recognized me as a virgin :^)

>>54670328
Whatever you say, man. I love my Contemptors, and I'm sad that Dreadclaws are unplayably expensive now, or I'd be using that too.

So I'm trying to decide between two different lists for a 1k points Salamanders army.

One has two Aggressor squads with flamestorm gauntlets and the other is one Aggressor squad and one venerable Dreadnought. On one hand the Aggressors put out more damage and can advance and fire but the Dread is more durable.

>>54670405
Yeah, people bitching about the Night Lord tactic don't seem to realise that the fact it stacks with itself AND the leadership shenanigans chaos already has makes it good.

>>54670413
Everywhere, FW trash isn't even allowed in most stores because it's carcinogenic and nobody wants kids getting cancer let alone playing p2w rules

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>>54670048
>>54670308
>White Scars are reportedly attacking more rapidly than two centuries ago.
>Complaints lodged to Girlyman & Administratum by the newly introduced PRIMARIS MARINES™ about bullying
>Officials sent to observe the situation
>Watch as White Scars make the PRIMARIS MARINES™ run on foot - leaving them in the dust
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ are not afforded Souped-Up-White-Scar-Rhinos to ride in
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ are forced to march everywhere they go
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ are left with no action because White Scars just GOTTAGOFAST the enemies to death
>White Scars are actively killing the enemy quicker than the PRIMARIS MARINES™ can arrive on scene to aid. Just to deny them.
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ constantly bullied during feasts because they never get any glory kills.

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>>54670308
>After enough autistic screeching at CAWL™, he finally makes them hover bikes
>Before PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™ can touch grav-bike, ADEPTUS CUSTODES™ push him aside and takes the flybikes for the TALONS OF THE EMPEROR™
>"But!" The GRAVIS™ clad marine stuttered. "That was for us!"
>CAWL™ replies "Don't worry, I made larger bikes with tires just in case :D
>1st company TERMINATORS™ lumber in and take super bikes
>"About time." Said the veteran.
>Frightening RIEVERS™ keep scowling as now CATAPHRACTIL TERMINATORS™ are catching some mad air from ramps.

>>54670413
It's become a fairly common shitpost to go on an autistic tirade whenever someone mentions Forge World. Just ignore him and don't feed him (You)s.

What's good to include in a fluffy Word Bearers army?

>>54670458
>CAWL™ keeps producing new shit
>Other Magos, Chapters, and Guard keep taking it
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ actually have ten times as many new toys as we have seen...
>Except these new toys keep "disappearing due to warp storms."
>Each new battle, some new machine that is hastily repainted in Guard or Admech colors arrive
>PRIMARIS MARINES™ are forever stuck with the toys they have now
>That is why their HELLBLASTER™ squads only have a few weapon options of all the same sort. No one wants that Plasma shit.

>>54670487
possessed, dark apostles and cultists

>>54670413
Ignore it, it is shit posting. I use my Avenger on table. It performs worse than every GW-plastic flyer out there.

If you play Space Marines, which chapter did you choose and why?

>>54670442
Did someone beat you once with some FW stuff?

>>54670468
>>54670515
If you can't handle the truth you could just go to reddit or maybe call the suicide hotline

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>>54670458
>PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™ and his squad of PRIMARIS MARINES™ hear a pounding in the distance
>a band of thunderwolf cavalry ride past, the wolf lord in the front laughing as the PRIMARIS CAPTAIN'S™ tears fall upon the dried earth
>"c-can we have thunderwolves too?" he asks
>"YER TOO FUCKIN FAT LADDIE," the wolf lord answers
>PRIMARIS CAPTAIN™ screeches at CAWL™ to make bigger thunder wolves for them

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Konor Round 1 ends in one hour. What have you guys learned from it? What do yoy think can be done to improve the whole campaign?

>>54670487
Dark Apostles, Chosen, Cultists, Defilers, Helbrutes, Posessed, and Daemons. They can take pretty much anything that Chaos has to offer, but you'll want to stick to those units.

>>54670522
>Ultramarines
>Space Marine video game
>Also no one really plays them, everyone just shits on them

I wish I had done Blood Ravens mind you, but I really do like the Ultramarine schemes for 1st Company - that White and Blue is nice.