EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?

This is one of my all-time favorite cards and I play it pretty much whenever possible.

Olivia makes me feel strange

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>>54664705
>Thread Question
Do you mean pet cards?
If so trading post is an auto include in most of my decks.

>>54664742
GIGANTIC PILLAR OF FUTANARI VAMPIRE FLESH

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>>54664705
>EDH Staple

>>54664705
>personal staples
pyroblast/reb
blasphemous act
lapse of certainty
nightscape familiar
cyclonic rift

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>>54664765

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>>54663655
this anon is only partially right zada can also be combo as well
but either way she is an all of nothing deck no matter how you build her

>>54663618
I've played zada since she came out.
I have tuned zada very aggressively to work in my competitive meta
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/660848#paper my deck

there is two ways to build her
>agro
>draw till combo
I prefer a mixture of the two

her best wincons are
>aggravated assault
>purfurose + alpha
>dualcaster + twin flame/heat shimmer
>fiery gambit
you can put in stuff like kiki conscripts, but the ones i listed fit the deck the best and are useful outside of a combo

I have a hate a hate package in my deck as well
>defense grid
>price of glory
>possibility storm (very spicy with zada)
>blood moon
>magus of the moon

I also have every good wheel I can run (debating on other shit such as the one mana wheel)
they are very good so you don't run out of steam if you have no creatures on the field or no draw spells

zada is a very explosive deck and it folds to board wipes but she has the possibility to win out of nowhere in combination with your explosive low cost draw spells, rituals, and combos.

she will be heavy focused once people see her power

cards to possibly add that I've debated on
>the sac alters
>spawning breath
>more wheels
>more rituals

shes an amazing budget commander and the reason i still have fun playing this game

>>54664830
>not wanting to be pinged by Olivia's monstrous she-cock

>>54664849
Dawg you gotta drop all those combat buffs and just focus on making horrifying amounts of tokens

Alright fellas, I need the extra crispy, extra spicy Mardu-colored hate cards. Stuff like Thalia, Wingmare and Harsh Mentor are obvious

>>54664911
but alphaing is fun and most of my buffs give trample
they are more reliable than you would think. and the draw spells and wheels allow me to not run so many creatures

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>>54664705
I want to make a deck that has no defined strategy or win-con. Something that can't necessarily be predicted, but has great synergy no matter what I have on hand.

Should I go Shu Yun, Mizzix, Riku, or something else entirely?

>>54664946
You need more rituals. Inner Fire is fucking huge.

And where's your Empty the Warrens?

>>54664940
Butcher of Malakir is one of my favorites, it really only shines in Sacc decks though, but it's also a good "don't touch me" card.

>>54664989
So goodstuff?

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>>54665025
thinking about adding inner fire
>pic related

and empty the warens seems like its only effective when I go off, and whn i go off i dont need it to win.
i may add it back in, but it just seems to slow

>>54665025
mana geyser is better than inner fire imo

>>54664849
>no Psychosis Crawler

Nigga it literally curves out from Zada and can punch someone for over 20 if it doesn't kill the table

>>54665065
Probably. Shu Yun looks nice, but kind of forces me into Jeskai Human Tribal. Mizzix is Izzet.dec, which feels too... obvious, and Riku... I dunno.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kawaii-vampire/

Looking to use this for:
>Casting cool spells
>Stealing creatures
>Reanimating creatures

What's my win condition here?
I figured:
>Conflagrate + Enter the Infinite
>Rise of the Dark Realms + Overwhelming Forces

Would love any advice, tips, tricks, etc. Maybe even helping turn it into a Storm deck.

>>54664759
Pet cards kind of implies they aren't necessarily the best card for the slot where as the thread question is getting at what cards do you get a lot of mileage out of that are overlooked by others.

>>54664849
Is Goblin Assault really better than Goblinslide?

>>54665213
both are kind of shite imo, but assault is better if you are trying to win early, every 1 mana is very important
Ive won based on a factor of 1 mana constantly

>>54665139
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-07-17-rGe-shu-yun/
Shu Yun is the first deck I've built, still one of my favorites.

>>54665146
Why do you have mill in this deck?

>>54665339
Also want some mill, sorry.

>>54665109
>play zada with 4 mana

>next turn
pick one
>combo out and win
>play crawler and wait a whole turn do do anything, the entire time its on the table people know what is going to do and will try and kill it

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>>54664734

> Mine :)

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>>54664705
He's just a bid dumb beatstick that shuffles back into your deck and looks intimidating, but I try to fit him into any stompy decks I make.

Blightsteel is for faggots though

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>>54664705
>thread question

its cool and its great in a control shell
horror tribal when

>>54665066
Add mana geyser, ive never won harder in red than with that card.

>>54664940
Magus of the/Blood Moon, Aven Mindcensor, Containment Priest, Suture Priest, Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, Dictate of Erebos.

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>>54664705
Even if it wasn't good, I would include it for the art alone.

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>yfw foglio full art lands in Unshit

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>>54665584
I'd love to see a set featuring only foglios art.

>>54665619
Which would be better, a set where every card is a Guay or a Nielsen?

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>>54665584
>yfw full art Gurus

>>54665584
john avon lands are confirmed already

>>54665092
Not in Zada it isn't. You can make an insane amount of mana off of a single cantrip and Inner Fire.

Also Inner Fire costs less.

>>54665532
The trouble with Mana Geyser is that it's only worth dropping in the late-game. It's 3RR, early to mid game it's usually completely dead. If you're going ultra-turbo mode with Zada you're only slowing yourself down with that card.

So if you copy Tormenting Voice or Cathartic Reunion you discard once and draw twice, right?

>>54666170

Yes.

>>54666170
yep. Only one cast, the other just goes right to the stack

>>54666180
>>54666170

I posted that and realized I should probably clarify like immediately afterwards. If you're casting it without paying it's mana cost (spelltwine) you'll need to pay the additional cost. If you're copying it via pyromancer's goggles or reverberate, you won't have to discard again.

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A copied Burn at the Stake keeps the number of tapped dudes, right? You don't have to tap a new batch

>>54666180
>>54666186
Neat. Into Wort you go.

>>54664705
tq
recycle
gilder briar
fade away
power sink
land tax
all the winds cycle
hot soup
anything with ninjitsu that fits the colors
ashiok planeswalker.

>>54666208
You're not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, are you?

>>54666208

Yes, additional costs are paid when you CAST a spell, if you copy a spell you don't cast it do you?

>>54666244
I'm also not a dismissive cockhole but here we are.

Should I build my EDH deck after my Modern deck since Modern will be on the pro-tour again next year?

To me it seems like none of the cards I'd need for Marath will shoot up except Doubling Season which I do want to get and also the Dual Lands I still need.

>>54666304
Do you plan on going to the modern pro tour? Do your friends/people at your lgs play modern more than edh? If so finish your modern deck first, if it's the other way around finish your edh deck first.

>>54666367
My LGS is gonna be playing Modern in the Fall so yeah I probably should than. We just do EDH casually at my LGS.

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I'm trying to make a polymorph deck with pic. related as the commander.

Is this a good start? Remember that I can't run mana rocks or weak creatures.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/intet-the-polymorphist/

>>54665706
Guay. Terese just draws herself all the fucking time.

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>>54666516
If that means a ton of Basandra-likes, I'd be completely down for that.

>>54665706
Can we just have a set that's Guay, Nielsen, diTerlizzi, and Quinton Hoover?

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This one is defiantly a staple for me. I also use living death in both of my decks but it probably isn't good in every deck

>>54666616
>Can't we just have a set thats all Chippy
ftfy

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>Thread Question

Love the colour. Love the mechanic. Love the flavour text. Love specially the Rebbeca Guay art. It's such a pretty card.

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All time favorite since release. Yes, i am a dickhead.

>>54666819
What does your deck look like?

>>54664940
Kambal basically reads "pay 2 life to do anything"
There's solemnity and stoney silence to shut down degeneracy. Rest in Peace to shit on graveyards. Ghostly prison and death pits to stop people from attacking you.

What are you trying to hate? Because mardu will let you do it.

>>54666674
It's always fun to kill someone with the draw/damage clause.

>>54666948
>>54666948
>What are you trying to hate?
Creatures, especially big ones. My meta is Timmytown

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How does the thread feel about pic related?

>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?
Crawlspace
Quietus Spike
Smoke

>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?
Phyrexian Arena, Imps Mischief and Yawgmoth's Will

>>54667107
>Be me
>Be playing wanderer
>Copy Gitrog dude's dark depths
>Make an instant 20/20
>Swings for game
Great card 10/10

Would conpsiring the great aurora actually make people mad?

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>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?
I guess I'll post it until you guys hate me.
It's better the more broken mana you're running, going pitch, get mox opal into pitch get mox diamond and pitch get crypt/ring is insane, though it costs a lot of cards in hand.

>>54667107
I love it. It's great for funny shenanigans in my group. The fact that you can stack multiple triggers to copy several things in a row is great. I use it to copy combo pieces from my opponents and jury-rig my own combos.

>>54667107
Top Tier Jank, running it as another damage doubler in Gisela. Can't wait to get out Dictate+Furnace+Violence+Gisela and clone one of them.

>>54667162
Yes. I've done it.

>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?
Lapse of Certainty goes in 100% of decks that run white but not blue. If you disagree you're wrong.

Jesus Christ I never understood how insane Lion's Eye Diamond is until I tested it

This thing is gross

>>54667107
Im using it to make marit lage tokens to hit people with warstorm surge, its pretty cute when it works and instantly domes people who havent healed.

>>54666872
Lot of extra turns, cards like wildfire, devestation, the 3 titans and mana artifacts

>>54667256
It is only good in specific scenarios though. What are you using it with?

For me the only two big ones are Kozilek (Distortion) and Auriok Salvagers.

>>54667295
Copying a creature with it won't trigger Warstorm Surge. It's already in play, its type is just changing

>>54667208
Lapse is the best counter in a UW deck. Nothing is better to tap down your blue knowing those greedy fucks think they have a free win.

>>54665430
One of the best artworks in my opinion

>>54667487
its not the part thats entering, its used to make sure i have a marit lage for combat, the other 2 get legends ruled for the etb effect

>>54667487
No, you copy Depths to plop a token onto the battlefield.

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I've been making a concerted effort to begin lowering my curves recently. What's /edhg/'s preferred 1-drops?

>>54667572
What colour(s) are you playing

>>54667572

What commander are you running? Is it 1v1 or 4-player? What type of deck are you playing?
In general though, any one-mana dork is usually a good inclusion.

>>54667107
It's the pinnacle of 75%, only as strong as your opponents' stuff most of the time. I do enjoy copying my own Monastery Mentor tho

>>54667524
Hes half right, i planned to use it for dark depths copying but in play its usually saving the token from exile in my group

>>54667590
>>54667593
Been doing it across all colors, though with a focus on white and green. Commanders are Newzuri, Angry Flubber, Gahiji, Atraxa (in prototype form), Queen Marchesa and Taigam (playgroup let me proxy him)

>>54667572
If you're serious about accelerating your tempo and lowering your curve, Mana Crypt is a good place to start. Any of the moxes that are legal in EDH work well too. You should also look at 1-drops that fix you in some way, like Land Tax/Weathered Wayfarer, Mirri's Guile, and Sensei's Divining Top.

>>54667572
>W
Land Tax
Path
Swords
Mom
Weathered Wayfarer
Serra Ascendant

>U
Mental Misstep at competitive tables
Mystic Remora
Ponder/Brainstorm(with fetches), Preordain
Swan Song!
Spell Pierce
Dispel

>B
Phyrexian Reclamation
Thoughtseize/Duress/Inquisition
Vamp Tutor
Reanimate

>>54667683
Dont forget entomb if you have some graveyard shenanigans

>>54664989
I run a Baral Spellslinger/Control deck that has pretty much no defined win con that's fun to play.

The only common strategy is "Stop others from suddenly going off, allow people to resolve nice things to make political allies, then bounce the field/build up enough muscle to take control of the game" Kicked Rite of Replication on a nice big fatty, possibly with a sweet ETB, keeping around a Docent of Perfection/Talrand long enough to amass an armada of flyers, get a Caged Sun onto the field and start getting big bodies like Diluvian Primordial and Scourge of Fleets bounced by Navigator, ect. I can post a list if you want.

>>54667628
If you're doing any kind of stax or hatebear strategy, you could consider Root Maze. It can be backbreaking for your opponents if you get it out turn 1/2

In EDH why is it still 10 poison counters and not 20?

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>>54664705
Phyrexian Metamorph and Clever Impersonator seem to make it into almost every blue deck I make. The flexibility really is wonderful.

>my opponents when I cloned my mind's dilation

>>54667854
Because I cant jam glistners/blighted agents and a few protection/pump spells for the win in edh.

>>54667854
Because winning in the combat step with gradual beatdown is far harder in EDH than in most other formats, and infect cards are deliberately designed with a low-ceiling, high-floor philosophy that makes it very difficult to "break" like most other archetypes in EDH. It's a strategy heavily reliant on early burst, which means pump spells and combat tricks, some of the worst cards for EDH, need to be used to reliably get in and begin the clock. This fast and loose playstyle leaves little room for sustain pieces common in most decks, and puts infect decks in a position where, after killing one player, it has to either win extremely quickly or die as it struggles in the wake of heavy card disadvantage and a less-developed board.

>>54667854
because its bad

>>54667854
because infect is hilariously bad in edh.

>>54667854
To piss you off. WotC is the uncaring and long-gone father to a lot of mechanics that shit on their own games

>>54667854
I bet you made this post after foolishly losing to an inferior player that had one infect creature as a last chance ace-in-the-hole

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>>54667854

So I can pull this out in a deck with no other poison for a one-shot kill that they didn't expect.

>>54667854
because the poison mechanic is designed as a quick kill and anything higher than 10 damage makes it completely unviable

I need anthems for Locust God that aren't the UR Shadowmoor liege.

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>>54664705
>Play blue with any other color
>Im getting over run or can make a kill move if they had no blockers.
>Hey, did you know that the Izzit specialize in unnatural disasters?
That and playing negate or cancel and just saying no.

>>54668094
No I watched the command zone video where one guy won in like ten minutes with infect.

>>54668387
Guess the other 3 should have quit jerking each other off and taken care of that shit huh?

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>>54668387
>command zone
>the bumbling retards that always build goodstuff and refuse to run removal
of corse those autists would lose to infect

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>>54667572
This guy can be hilarious.

>>54668387
>watching edh-related youtube videos
>ever

>>54668551
>and refuse to run removal

But why?

>>54668581
because they don't know how to build decks
just watch one episode

>>54668581
Because interactive games take too long and don't let them edit around one big play. All their viewers would leave if the blowout was stopped by a Swords.

>>54667572
Sol Ring

>>54667572
this guy always swings for 25+ damage alone; great friends with canopy cover. also, serra ascendent

>>54668374
Impact tremors, skull clamp, and ashnods altar

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>>54668630
forgot pic

>>54667003
Pillowfort all day, or humility type effects. Gaddock teeg, crawlspace. Or boardwipes all day.

>>54668643
I need anthems. I already have that package.

>>54668551
>scroll through video decklists
>at least 4 board wipes in each list

Wanna know how I know you're full of shit?

>>54668581
Most of the lists are meant for only one recording session and are promptly taken apart. They don't have the time to tune them. Note how the guest decklists from other MtG players have more tuning put into them.

>>54668745
spot removal bro

>>54668698
Play more etb damage effects or card draw. You dont need to hit with those things, just wheel to win. Youre not going to find much in the way of anthems other than battle cry style +1/0 effects without white and green.

>>54668758
They did say that they need to take their own advice more often. The later episodes are a lot longer as they put more and more in.

>>54668775
Alright, got it. I have Opposition, Kyren Negotations, Intruder Alarm, and Faces of the Past for tap shenanigans. Purphoros is one of those ETB dudes, and I have Phyrexian Altar as another sac outlet. For draw I have a fuckton of wheel effects and various Mine effects as well. Do you think Panharmonicon is worth it for ETB effect acceleration or should I ditch it and go for a lot more draw?

What's your favorite flavor of black removal?

>>54668901

Straight up murder.

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>>54668948

Forgot obvious image because I'm a dumbass.

>>54667171

It costs a lot of cards in hand but you run it in the kind of artifact deck that wants artifacts in the yard anyway, this card is insane for sure

>>54667484

Yawgmoth's will

>>54668901
Sacrifices. Feed me your dead and I'll make their bones into art.

>>54667732
Please do.

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>>54668901
Exiling is nice too

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>>54668901
Doom Blade or Go for the Throat is way better but I have a soft spot for this card

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>can't find my foil privileged position

>>54668883
Panharmonicon is fun but can be a big target and is a little winmore if you arent supplementing your strategy with other etb effects. On the plus side a single snapcaster with panharmonicon out can win the game.

>>54669417
>withought possibility of regeneration

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How good is pic related? Any tech?

>>54668948
>>54668968
Straight up Murder is worse than Hero's Downfall.

>>54668901
Ashes to Ashes
Cannibalize
Devour in Shadows
Go for the Throat
Hero's Downfall
Murderous Cut
Never / Return
Ruinous Path
Slaughter Pact
Snuff Out
Victim of Night

>>54669500
It's complete trash, don't even bother. Nobody uses it and anyone that does has no friends.

>>54669531

He asked what "flavor" of black removal spell is your favorite, you dingus. Not just what you think are the best ones.

I'm saying that my favorite flavor or black removal spell is some guy just straight up knifing another another or whatever.

>>54669500
>Any tech?
No, what could possibly synergize with sending lands to the graveyard? Fucking nothing, that's what.

>>54669500
You're basically running Landfall.Dec using pic and Crucible of Worlds to recycle lands. Throwing in a few Land Destructions and Land-wipes after pulling a Fantastic Voyage, and you can run a "I can recover from no-lands faster than you can.

>>54669500
We have a kid in our playgroup that plays this fucking thing, he durdles, then spends 30 minutes nutting his deck, then he loses. The only thing good i can see about this deck is that avatar of leshrac becomes a wincon.

>>54669500
child of alara is more fun

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>>54668901

>>54669500
Dakmor Salvage+Gitgud Freg+Skirge Familiar=Mill Your Deck for infinite mana and nut your Exsanguinate all over their faces.

>>54669657
mtg never has flavor text like that anymore. when did it stop?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marath-kikihulk/

Marath Kiki with hulk and sac outlets to go infinite.

>>54669705
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marath-kikihulk/
Un-private it u ape

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>>54669629
Forgot pic

>>54669695
Violence is general might trigger the transgender playerbase MtG now primarily consists of according to Wizards

>>54669714
fuuuuck im tired sorry m8

>>54669723
shut up gimp boy

>>54669695
Like what exactly? That doesn't seem any more clever than even some of the cards in Amonkhet.

>>54669705
>>54669714
I think you either wanna be playing more fast mana like Mox Diamond and Crypt or be playing Stony Silence and Null Rod, but that might not be correct. Since you already have sac outlets why not also jam Melira Finks? I'm sure I don't have to tell you Cradle is a good card if it's in your budget. Manglehorn is also probably one of the best hatebears they're recently printed.

>>54669860
So far this is just the list of cards I own. I dont own any of the cheap artifact ramp yet. And thats a good point a good thing to fall back on and I do love finks.

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>>54669469
I love old card text. Pic related is one of my faves
>For example

>>54669842
small quips about a card unrelated to any lore. maybe i just don't look

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>>54669916
One of my favorites is how, until Onslaught, Clone technically shouldn't have been able to function as written. Trying to figure out how to word Clone was how they came up with "As ~ enters the battlefield" abilities.

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>>54670014
How about something like this?

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>>54670014

>>54670047
Not really the same. It just lacks the sort of feeling the other card has.

>>54669326
Sorry for the wait.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/baral-weewoo-control/

Everything there should be relatively easy to figure out, but here are some things that I know I need to do:

Replace Mnemonic Wall and Archeomancer with Relearn and Pull from the Deep. Having a chump, I've found, isn't nearly as important as getting Baral's cost reduction, getting Talrand/Docent triggers, and building up Runechanter's Pike.

I need more artifact tutors. I know I have a Fabricate somewhere, I just haven't found it yet. An Isochron Scepter would be awesome in this deck.

I need to aquire/make cuts for a Crawlspace and a Propoganda, to help throw off aggro. It isn't actually huge problem, though, since nobody really wants to focus the guy who can make them never resolve anything relevant for the rest of the game.

Maybe put in 1-2 more beefy creatures, perhaps Frost Titan, Breaching Leviathan, or Torrential Gearhulk.

Aquire/replace Anticipate with Impulse, or cut something else for Impulse. Aquire a Dig Through Time.

Aquire a Nykthos, an Extraplanar Lense and a High Tide, as well as snowing out my basics.

>>54670076
>no the old stuff was better the new stuff sucks it just does
How do you even see the screen with all that rose tint?

>>54670103
>>54669326
Oh and replace Illusionist's Gambit with an Aetherspouts. Gambit is a nice meme, but it doesn't actually do anything but stall getting hit in the face.

>>54670076
I think >>54670068 sounds pretty much the same as >>54669657.

>>54670136
It's the way it's phrased. It has nothing to do with the age of the card. Banewhip Punisher's text you can tell is a quip from the character whereas the text on Hex bonus points for the pun in the name too seems like just a general quip from whoever. It carries a different feel to it because it isn't tied to a character or any particular image.

>>54669192
It scales so well with fast mana, but even without $400 of artifact mana grabbing Spellbombs, Pithing Needles, Relic and Tormods is great, as well as artifact lands. There have been a shocking number of games where I've used it to ramp into a turn 3-4 Scrap Mastery for Wurmcoil, Gearhulks, Meatballs and the like. Also great with Wheel of Fortune

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>>54670585
How's this then?

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>>54667572
>Joraga Treespeaker
>Llanowar Elves
>Fyndhorn Elves
>Elvish Mystic
>Sylvan Tutor

Guess what deck I'm playing

Is there a way to build Hapatra that doesn't rely on overrun effects? i'm interested in building Hapatra but i already got an elf deck that spams elves and overrun effects.

>>54672433
The typical way you build her is with blood artist effects. Though I imagine triumph of the hordes is a staple.

>>54666208
/tg/ is bad at magic, the copy retains the original damage
The copy is never cast, just put onto the stack. It's like how if you replicate a shatterstorm, the copies won't trigger a guttersnipe.

>>54672634
The response from >>54666245 did actually say the same thing, albeit somewhat more awkwardly.

Anyone played Keranos Blood Moon? Deck looks really fun.

>>54672687
Any 2 color deck with bloodmoon in it is fun. There is honestly nothing better than shutting off a 4 color decks fetchland while your mana is fine. Also the first game where you get a turn 2 blood moon will be the thing of legends for your group.

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>tfw friend keeps going on and on how he hate blue, saying they are bunch of unfun cards
>he never plays any decks containing blue
>keeps saying how much he hates counterspells and how he has to play around them all the time

>he's playing white/green fatties

what can i do to keep the peace?

>>54673163
Play red and fuck their faces with damage

>>54673163
Play whatever you want. There will always be people that don't like tutors, a certain color, sol rings, counterspells, combos, etc. You will never make everybody happy. I personally don't like Sol Ring and tutors, so I just don't play them myself.

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Hi, I'm currently building a Zada deck and want to ask a clarifying question.

If I cast a spell, for example Expedite on Zada, and copy it with something like Dualcaster Mage , do I get double the value or does the spell trigger only once.
? I'm wondering because Zada reads "
Whenever you CAST an instant or sorcery"

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Speaking of damage >>54673194

Me and my play group are building none legendary Creatures for Commander.
So far we have;
Tree of perdition
Dragon master outcast
Avenger of zendikar
And I'm using this monster

Any suggestions on cards for Obsidian Fireheart commander?
Also what none legendary would you use for a Commander bonus points for mono colour

>>54673254
Monastery Mentor in a heartbeat.

>>54673278
Noice that looks fun!

>>54667107
Great in my clone deck since it enables me to copy other people's stuff too.

>>54673254
I kinda do ike Swanlands art style. Also always wanted to fit him in one my deck. Anyone found place for him in EDH?

>>54668052
WotC doesn't make the rules for EDH.

>>54668387
Which one? I can only remember infect taking one person and nothing more.

>>54673254
Soulfire grandmaster

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>>54668901
Mario Kart removal.

>>54673163
Everywhere there's an autist hating on blue. It's like they want to play another game.

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>>54667572

>>54664705
Hey I threw together a couple of deck lists, can I have people's opinions?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yidris-ideal/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-07-17-bMr-solemnity/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-07-17-mono-black-ramp/

not terribly competitive decks, just stuff I wanted to try out

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What are the best budget Instants to use with a Sunforger?

>>54673661
Oh also Boros only.

>>54672253
"Wraths should be banned"-deck?

>>54673661
Solfatara

>>54673163
Tell him to get some delicious blue hate cards eg. Choke

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>>54668901
>not a single mention of this
Come on now
Had cast this shit three turns in a row legitimately after it was shuffled and opponent cut
Up there with Toxic Deluge and Mutilate

Terror for 10e art tho and Sheoldred for any kind of casual meta

>>54673163
>>54673515
honestly, i was real big into hating the counterspelly side of blue when i was getting into MTG. it just seemed way too easy to hold up 2 mana and keep your opponent from making any impactful plays, then accrue value and card advantage and slowly win the game without your opponent being really able to do anything about it unless their deck was built exactly to deal with that sort of thing.

and you know what? 1 year after playing, after exploring every single archetype known to man in EDH, i finally built a UG draw & go counterspell deck with some of the weakest counters in the game. it turned out to be probably the strongest 1v1 deck i have, and possibly one of the stronger decks overall for winning games. and this is a 60 dollar meme deck that i threw together for fun. it's fucking ridiculous how easy it is to keep your opponents in check with counterspells.

>"oh but you need to know what to counter and what you don't need to counter"

holy shit fuck off i've been playing for a year and i can easily distinguish a threat from meaningless fluff.

truth is, wotc fucked up early when they decided that 1) blue should get retardedly well costed removal in the form of counterspells, like counterspell, mana drain, force of will, swan song, pact of negation and so on and 2) only blue should be able to interact with the stack meaningfully. blue is the only color that can (asymmetrically) stop ETBs, which are super relied on in EDH, and it's the only color that can stop efficiently deal with instant/sorcery spells, which are also retarded good in EDH

tl dr fuck blue

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>>54667572

Is possible to trim cuckEDH Jeleva storm list to a non-cutthroat meta so that it'd still kinda work and what should I leave out? Still don't own any of the $200+ cards like timetwister and candelabra

>>54673981
don't build storm for a casual meta

>>54674004
I see how it might be a bit too much for some, but when people start infinite lopping their karmic guides/saffis t4-5 that can't be answered with conditional removal and can only be gravehated, I'm not being shy. Yet I won't call it cutthroat 'cause people won't run answers if their life depended on it

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>>54667683
>>54667667
>>54667572
>Nobody mentions Tithe
Oh come on.

>>54673163
play mono blue aggro.

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>>54673882
Nah.

>>54674040
if people aren't running answers then it is truly a cutthroat meta, because there's no real reason to run answers against 3 competitive decks in EDH. slowing yourself down to slow down another player is worthless if there's 2 other players creeping up to their combos. the only answers worth running are extremely efficient and meta specific, like swords to plowshares against hermit druid.

so yeah, no reason not to build storm in a meta like that. i'm not really sure if it's budget viable though, but i can tell you that most cEDH decks are loaded with expensive cards they don't need because of muh collections. candelabra and timetwister aren't necessary at all. the important expensive cards are your manabase, namely getting enough fast mana so you can win before anyone else does.

i personally think fast mana into wincons is the most boring way to play edh but more power to you if you want to do that

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>>54669916
Same, I only use this printing of necropotence.

>>54674095
always bet on skellingtons

>>54674095
i can't believe this card is still only like 7 euros

everything about the card screams 30 euros at least

>>54673941
Why do you think your deck has green in it? It's arguably the most powerful color in the pie for EDH.
Why doesn't green get that much hate? Or black, also really strong in EDH? That's because, as you said, it doesn't interact with the stack as much. And that's why people hate the color, they don't want to see their plays flopping. It's not so much about power, but about pride.
If getting countered really trigger people so much, these people need another game to play. Something in which opponents can't interact with your turn so much. CFVanguard comes to mind.

>>54674180
>It's arguably the most powerful color in the pie for EDH.
Stop trying to hide your power level, blue mage.

>>54674186
Believe what you will, but I only have one deck out of 5 with blue in it, and it's only for draw effects.

>>54673941
Your playgroup is a bunch of casual pussies if they lose to that.
You're a casual pussy if you think it's strong.
>i've been playing for a year
Found your problem. Play moar and git gud, kid.

>>54674092
Well, it's arguably the flashiest shit that can happen at competitive level and does not require extensive retarded plays by your opponents like reanimating all graveyards, milling, insurrection, genesis wave etc. Its how wars between mages ought to be, I guess. It is also not quite the same every time unlike most two card combos

It may not be the most entertaining to play against, since I'm often pressed to scoop when my perfect hand goes down the wheel and people usually don't care how much of cool shit you are doing on your turn.

The other deck I'm interested in building is fun-police that's designed to screw storm and other combos and can be considered GW stax. There are so much good hatebears to play with, but that can be even less fun once the lock is established.

>>54674180
I've started playing with my UG-minded friend and I was fucking infuriated with constant counters, but years later I started to realize how much of that was due to green

Which commander would let me win off of dragonstorm

>>54674335
Ramos.

>>54674180
my UG deck is 70% blue. the only green cards are some bears and fogs. blue is definitely the color that carries the deck, green compliments it well but could be replaced with black or even white quite easily. but as i said, it's a meme deck and doesn't take full advantage of all the autism U+x is capable of

thing is that green isn't really the strongest color in EDH, it's just the easiest color to play efficiently. all you really need to do is drop your spells as soon as you can and hope for the best.

black is probably the best color overall when the power levels go up to the final autism tier, simply because it has all the best tutors, rituals and things like doomsday and necropotence.

blue is only weaker than black because blue excels at answering threats and drawing cards, and those things aren't quite as good in multiplayer. it can't rush to its wincons as fast as black can. the thing is that i don't think blue in itself is too strong overall for multiplayer EDH, it's just the counterspells that are retardedly good. it's basically the only thing blue is good at besides drawing cards.

but none of that matters because in real EDH you just pick the best parts of each color for your deck in EDH. so when you splash blue, you're just going to splash blue so you can put in mystic remora and counterspell so that you the black/green parts of your deck can work undisrupted.

to clarify, my point is that i think that counterspells are disproportionally too strong at interaction compared to what other colors have access to, and playing against blue requires and entirely different kind of deck since you can no longer rely on your instant/sorceries and ETBs resolving. it's more of a problem with design rather than balance in my mind.

>>54674066
At least play Fresh meat. Elves are bound to make tokens

>>54674383
>but none of that matters because in real EDH you just pick the best parts of each color for your deck in EDH
So, real EDH is just goodstuff decks?

>>54674154
Well, it's probably because it's banned in every format and restricted in vintage. Same reason why YagBar is like 2 euros: it's banned everywhere, including commander

>>54674383
>all you really need to do is drop your spells as soon as you can and hope for the best
>in real EDH you just pick the best parts of each color for your deck in EDH
Holy fuck you are so casual it hurts.

>Try for the first time my Brago deck, first deck I've actually built by myself without using a precon deck as a base, against two friends, playing respectively Mayael and Eldrazi
>I have a pretty lucky first hand, which would have allowed me to go infinite by the third turn, but I chose not to because I feared my friends would have gotten angry by losing immediately that way
>The game turn into a grindfest where my opponents mostly focus on me because they fear what my EBT effects can do, while I'm able to mostly deal with them thanks to the Rishadan Brigand and Reflector Mage, partly because after the first few draws and shuffles I ended up with the cards that would have allowed me to win either on the bottom of the deck or exiled by the Eldrazi deck
>After an hour and a half the game finally ends, with everyone dissatisfied of the game

I should have just gone infinite as soon as I can and have us all start a new game

>>54674464
not really what i said. i meant that you wouldn't splash blue to put in krakens and stuff, you would splash blue to use the 2 things blue is retardedly good at, which again, is counterspells and drawing cards. despite having a lot of stuff in its color pie, blue is hyper-specific about what it's strong at.

>>54674486
what parts of that do you think were wrong?

green isn't a tricky color at all. how the fuck do you play explosive vegetation other than dropping it as soon as possible? or avenger of zendikar? or tooth and nail? the only thing you really need to pay attention are whether the blue player has 2 mana open, but that's about it.

and yes, you do pick the best parts of each color for your deck in EDH. show me a tryhard EDH deck that bothers putting in pongify instead of swords to plowshares. or devastation tide instead of terminus.

or did you just pick out random parts of my post out of context and try to call me casual based on that?

>>54674489
If you happen to get lucky hands, you should always use them to the fullest

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>>54674425
Fresh Meat cant be bounced mutiple times with Temur Sabretooth

More importantly: it doesn't make bears

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Clone/Control Tribal

>>54674541
>playing counterspell
Shit's bad yo. Strictly worse than million other counterspells

>>54674550
Fair enough. But you still don't get benefits from tokens

>>54674573
Aside from Mana Drain, name a counterspell that's "strictly" better.

>>54674541
Every color can be very specific about their strenghts. That doesn't mean you need to play those strenghts just because said color is in your color identity. You can make many viable decks with blue in it with zero counterspells.
In fact, it's even funny, that one of my best decks has blue in it and the only card that can counter something is the new Kozilek.

>EDHG discord retards believe that Sidisi Ad Nauseam is better than Jace High Tide because at a table of 1 jace 3 sidisi the mono u deck cant stop each sidisi's ad nauseam
Discord was a mistake

>>54674694
Mental Misstep

Also regarding discord:
>underage b8

>ask for advise on a deck
>response is "lol shit deck why call it competitive" when neither the deck name or description says that
>only one piece of advise and the rest is "ur deck is shit its garbage"
Remove these people fucking hell

>>54674740
Why did you even get there?

>>54674541
You're completely discounting this most important part of EDH: the commander. Some decks lend themselves to completely different strategies while being the same colors.

>>54674740
>I can't come up with a convincing argument so I'm going to ad hominem in the general

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/

Sidisi is generally considered better than Jace in multiplayer.

>>54674818
Stay there.

>>54674740
>actually using discord

kill yourself

>>54674847
Edhg server is a mistake, as well as tranny/weeb ones.
>>54674818
Weve pointed out that thats a shit list 5gorillion times

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>>54674790
>neither deck name or description calls it competitive

Stop being a baby and leave the complaints at the door.

>>54674915
I changed the name tho, because i realisdd it wasnt good, which is why i asked for advice

>>54674898
>your proof isn't as good as my unfounded statement

>>54674927
The problem is that your proof isn't exactly proof but an opinion. You'd know why that list isn't used around here if you lurked more and complained less. But that's too much to expect from discordbabies.

>>54674942
And your opinion is also an opinion.

>>54674954
It's not an opinion, it's a fact stating that your proof is a shitty opinion.

>>54674915
>discord blatantly furry
Gross

>>54673941
And somehow counterspell-based strategies are not a dominant strategy in any of the competitive 60-card formats. It's almost as if your whole problem is a casual one and you're overrating counterspells.

>>54674154
It was reprinted plenty of times and isn't on the reserved list.

>>54674818
>All my commanders except Melek is tier 3
>Mina and Denn is the same tier as Oloro and Nekusar
What the fuck is that list

>>54675036
It's crowd-sourced by the biggest competitive EDH community which is why anything after tier 2 shouldn't be taken seriously.

That community is /r/cEDH

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>>54675127
>competitive EDH

>>54674964
It's not fact. It's an opinion that you disagree with a list agregated by a large community of cEDH players.

>>54675152
Yeah I have no clue why a small group of people in this general insist on steering the conversation to competitive but it happens every so often. Nonetheless, if we're going to reference memes that list is the best resource from the biggest group of meme worshippers.

>>54675127
It seems completely arbitrary after tier 2. Like why is Kozi 1.0 a tier above 2.0?

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>>54664705
>What's your personal staples?
best tech out there
if you dont run this and you can you are a total scrub

>>54675154
If you think that's an opinion I just disagree with, I have nothing to convince you otherwise. It's just very sad that I have to share this general with people like you and other tourists from said community.

>>54675152
Not just competitive, but competitive MULTIPLAYER EDH.

>>54675196
The likely reason is that the tryhards theorygathered placements after never actually seeing a decklist for those generals.

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>>54675220

>>54675268
Yeah, everything is an opinion so that you may dismiss it as so. That's a good way of avoiding conflicts.

>>54675217
You're welcome to leave if you're incapable of having people not take your opinions as given fact.

>>54668130
I have. I've even used it on other peoples creatures.

What's the best Partners for Eldrazi Tribal?

>>54675356
Look at what color eldrazi are the shittest and just dont play tbat color.
I think red has the worst eldrazi overall

>>54675183
I wonder how funny it is to you, but around where I am, the money-overburdened ex-legacy crowd turned everybody, and I mean everybody, to duel commander, which was played at first by the french rules and now by 1v1 mtgo ones. The people running it all play with most expensive shit they can afford (not mana drain/timetwister tier thankfully) which is built using decklists from the top event rankings in the net. They are INCREDIBLY fucking elitist about their large banlist and rules, but everybody plays a deck that is 80% cards soon-to-be-banned. They crush new people into a pulp, but somehow it makes them want to compete and spend even more, probably out of Stockholm syndrome. There are some people who're willing to sit down to a 4-6 player pod (with their french legal decks), but only in between their "league tournament pairings". Every time I overhear a person asking somebody "why is there a sol ring on the board, I reckon it's banned in commander?" I feel like bashing their skull against the doorstep. And no, there is nowhere else and nobody to play with.

>>54675389
Sounds like you should play online.

>>54675356
Kydele and someone else. Seriously, she can pump out so much mana to drop the big ones.

>>54675196
>Like why is Kozi 1.0 a tier above 2.0?
no clue that deck blows and is inconsistent

>>54664849
>>54665532
>>54666003
>>54665025
>>54665092
>>54665899
>inner fire, mana geyser, battle hym or whatever the fuck
>nobody running the true patrician zada ramp

Blazing shoal targeting zada splicing desperate ritual all the fucking way boys

>>54675378
>Barrage Tyrant
>Kozilek's Return
>Eldrazi Obligator
>Forerunner of Slaughter
>Herald of Kozilek
>Vile Aggregate
There's many good red ones, blue has the best ones though

>>54675415
I did for I don't know how many years, from the day Cawblade hit the field and my nerd hangout cafe consequently kicked us out for "gambling" and I felt no incentive to order cards. I tried finding games, but there are much more rude people and solitaire t1 decks somehow wiggling into my [Casual] rooms. Playing with people in person is much better, if only it wasn't such a problem to find oopnents

>>54675497
No one ever posts games here but I bet it would be possible to get a group of 4 together in cockatrice or xmage and play. I've only ever used cockatrice to play online and it would be pretty easy to make a room there then post the information here for people to join.

>>54673254
Guile

>>54673254
>Any suggestions on cards for Obsidian Fireheart commander?
All damage doublers and trigger doublers you can cram in the deck. Land use punishment like Manabarbs and I think there are some that punish holding untapped lands too.

>Also what none legendary would you use for a Commander bonus points for mono colour
Tamanoa for all the weird interactions.
Monocolor? Probably Guttersnipe.

>>54675497
At the risk of the blowback I'll get for saying this, MTGO might be a decent alternative. If you can wrestle with understanding the terrible layout of the UI, since they split 1v1 and multiplayer commander there has been a pretty big tryhard exodus and it's pretty easy to find chill games. Cards are dirt cheap compared to paper copies as well. It's no substitute for in person games with a cool meta but it scratches that itch for me.

>>54675633
I'm used to thinking there isn't a pole long enough to touch mtgo, and when I seriously considered trying it I've seen footage of games when people vote to kick somebody out on their winning turn/a guy allocating grapeshots one by one with confirmation and it wasn't pretty

>>54675624
Excellent! Thank you
>>54675571
Screw you

>>54673941
honestly, i was real big into hating the burny side of red when i was getting into MTG. it just seemed way too easy to hold up 1 mana and keep your opponent from making any impactful plays, then accrue damage and burn your opponent and slowly win the game without your opponent being really able to do anything about it unless their deck was built exactly to deal with that sort of thing.

and you know what? 1 year after playing, after exploring every single archetype known to man in EDH, i finally built a mono R burn deck with some of the weakest burn spells in the game. it turned out to be probably the strongest 1v1 deck i have, and possibly one of the stronger decks overall for winning games. and this is a 60 dollar meme deck that i threw together for fun. it's fucking ridiculous how easy it is to keep your opponents in check with Burn spells.

>"oh but you need to know when to kill something and when to burn their face"

holy shit fuck off i've been playing for a year and i can easily distinguish a threat from meaningless fluff.

truth is, wotc fucked up early when they decided that 1) red should get retardedly well costed removal in the form of burn spells, like Lightning bolt, Chain lightning, Lightning Helix, Fireblast, Earthquake and so on and 2) only red should be able to interact with creatures and players meaningfully at the same time. red is the only color with spells that interact with both creatures and players, which are super relied on in EDH, and it's the only color that can stop efficiently deal with creature spells, which are also retarded good in EDH

tl dr fuck red

>>54675196
Because the entire thing is managed by a single person who randomly shifts commanders around, and he runs Kozi so he rated it highly as soon as he had an excuse to. Despite some claims to be "consensus" or "aggregated" it's no better than any random assortment that puts Prossh Tazri and Teferi at the top.

>>54675672
That hasn't been my experience with it however I can understand why that'd give you pause. Most of the people in my experience are there to do goofy shit mostly because the tryhards have their own format now. If you can't find another solution to your predicament, I'd recommend looking into it again.

>>54675721
>red is the only color with spells that interact with both creatures and players

The parody kind of falls apart there.

>>54675816
>cites each decklist that got each legendary into its spot
>hundreds of comments from people about tier placement
>a single person

>>54675996
>a single example decklist per commander
>comments that can't change anything
>(You)

>>54675996
>hundreds of comments
If the comments are shit it doesn't matter how many there are. I've seen people argue that if a certain commander was as good as someone claimed then it would already be higher on the list.

>>54676103
I never said anything about the quality. In fact I have said that anything after tier 2 is a joke. I am refuting the claim that this list is solely the opinion of one person.

What are some good enchantments I can run in mono white? Here is what I'm currently running:

1x Aura of Silence
1x Citadel Siege
1x Ghostly Prison
1x Grasp of Fate
1x Land Tax
1x Overwhelming Splendor
1x Quarantine Field
1x Rule of Law
1x Sigarda's Aid
1x Solemnity

Looking for more taxing effects, or just things that cripple my opponents and/or make me stronger.

>>54676158
Norn's Annex
Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Authority of the Consuls

>>54676158
Eidolon of Rhetoric, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Aven Mindcensor, Stony Silence, Linvala, Containment Priest and Hallowed Moonlight depending on your meta.

>>54675881
It's completely right though. Red can choose to kill a creature or deal direct damage. It's not like you can redirect your Swords to Plowshares, Boomerangs, and Doom Blades to kill your opponent.

>>54674095
I'm partial to the Deckmasters foil, but that's just me.

>>54675881
Can you path a player anon? I thought not. Red is so ridiculously overloaded, it's the only color in the game with spells that interact with creatures, players and planeswalkers, all at the same time, for hyperefficient costs.

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>>54676376
>hyperefficient

>>54676158
If you're going Enchantment tribal, why not Sphere of Safety? There's also a cute interaction between Delaying Shield or Force Bubble and Solemnity.

>Aegis of the Gods
>Eidolon of Rhetoric
>Karmic Justice
>Leyline of Sanctity
>Lightmine Field
>Martial Law
>Martyr's Bond
>Moat
>Mystic Barrier
>Nevermore
>Parallax Wave
>Runed Halo
>Solitary Confinement
>Spirit of the Labyrinth
>Stony Silence
>Suppression Field
>Worship

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>>54676276
>>54676376
Why choose when you could just hurt everyone?

>>54676158
Rest In Peace. Sure, it shuts down your Sun Titan, but it also shuts down so many things your opponents want to do.

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>>54676439
>hyperefficient

>>54676475
Sigil of the Empty Throne, makes blockers for enchantment decks. So does Luminarch Ascension.

Also Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor for enchantment decks

>>54676534
Also combos with Helm of Obedience to take players out of the game one at a time, and they're the two card types you can tutor.

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>>54676529
Red is so overpowered that it can cast Lightning Bolt AND Pestilence.

>>54676475
>>54676196
>>54676169
I should have specified. It's not enchantment tribal, it's equipment voltron. I'm just looking to run 10-12 enchantments so I can a. Justify running Helm of the Gods and b. Disrupting other decks while I win through commander damage.

>>54676597
shit ive been reading pyrohemia wrong this entire time I had no idea it was a red pestillence

>>54676158

Crackdown!

>>54669610
Crawling Sensation

>>54676725
S P I C Y

>>54675721
so thats why burning face is so popular in EDH, legacy and vintage, and why no one bothers playing any counterspells in those formats

oh wait lol

>>54676883
>being this assblasted about counterspells
Try getting better at the game.

>>54676957
i already did that when i joined the blue man group

>>54676883
>not faceburn 3 opponents from 40 to 0
what a scrub

>>54676975
>tfw no Vedalken bf to mind probe me

>want to make a blue edh deck
>realize blue is even more expensive than black
No thanks

I want to play Big Guys Ramp that isn't Xenagos

what do

>red has legal two mana extra turns
>blue doesn't
Bluefags btfo

>>54677042
molimo

>>54677044
>>54677044
>>54677044

New thread online. Initiate transfer protocol.

>>54677042
play xenagos

>>54677042
maelstrom wanderer

>>54677042
azusa

>>54676975
>he needs to run blue to see a slight improvement in his wins
lmaoing@urlife

>>54674180

>Why doesn't green get much hate?

A question I wonder constantly. People are salty about blue counterspells even when other colors remove with threats with the same efficiency while completely ignoring the timing restrictions on counterspells; a huge, glaring weakness in them.

>need another game to play. Something in which opponents can't interact with your turn so much.

Hearthstone was made for them.

>>54674383

>the only green cards are some bears and fogs

the only reason this deck wins so often is because you and your friends probably all suck. i can tell just by this one sentence.

>thing is that green isn't really the strongest color in EDH, it's just the easiest color to play efficiently.

green has a lot of the strongest creatures, strong creature tutoring, strong card draw, the best ramp, and a lot of solid removal spells. Green IS the best color in EDH. Black and Blue may not be far behind, but Green is still the champ.

>>54677086
>green has a lot of the strongest creatures
like what?
>strong creature tutoring
sure
>strong card draw
compared to blue and black? lmao no, most of it is situational as fuck too.
>a lot of solid removal spells
for non-creatures yes, for creatures not really. most of the creature hate is sorcery speed which hurts a lot

>>54677162

>like what?

Craterhoof Behemoth, Avenger of Zendikar, Terastodon, Woodfall Primus, Vorinclex, Scavenging Ooze, Bane of Progress, Eternal Witness, Seedborn Muse. That's mostly just off the top of my head too, and not all of them are the same 'game ending' power level but green's creature suite is still fantastic.

>compared to blue and black?

It's probably mostly worse than blue but blue typically doesn't have as good of creatures and blue's answers are worse. I don't think blue's answers are BAD. A lot of them are flexibile and can stall things that come from weird angles, but a lot of blue's answers are temporary.

I would say that aside from the really busted stuff like Necropotence green's card draw is about as good as black's. You've got cards like Harmonize and Soul of the Harvest, Greater Good, Fecundity, Primordial Sage, Sylvan Library, Soul's Majesty...

I mean, green's card draw is 'narrow' because it relies on your creatures, I guess. But it's still great.

>>54677162

green's creature removal is limited but not non-existent (ulvenwald tracker, desert twister). The fact that it's non-creature removal is one of the best in the game isn't a bad thing because in a game of EDH there are almost always going to be problematic artifacts and enchantments.

>>54677162
craterhoof, seedborn muse, eternal witness, yisan, etc. and that's just mono-green

>>54676883
Burning face IS popular in legacy, meanwhile counter spells are so bad that the only good ones cost 0 mana

>>54676883
People play Force of Will so they don't get blown out by combo decks but the decks with FoW usually only run an average of 4-6 counterspells in total in those formats. They are hardly counterspell-based decks that could ever give someone the feeling that all of their spells got countered.

Is someone seriously trying to argue that green isn't one of the best if not arguably the best color in EDH?

>>54677439
>>Craterhoof Behemoth, Avenger of Zendikar, Terastodon, Woodfall Primus, Vorinclex, Scavenging Ooze, Bane of Progress, Eternal Witness, Seedborn Muse. That's mostly just off the top of my head too, and not all of them are the same 'game ending' power level but green's creature suite is still fantastic.
ells; a huge, glaring weakness in them.

i personally see most of those creatures as just boardwipe/removal bait on top of being hard to get into play efficiently. and oftentimes the blue guy will just have held 3 mana open to counter whatever way you'd get your terastodon out.

eternal witness and seedborn muse are good though.

black still has a ton of very good card draw on top of necropotence. there's retarded shit like ad nauseam, but then also goodstuffy stuff like read the bones, night's whisper, sign in blood, greed and so on, stuff that basically just thins your deck and keeps you gassed up. green is only really good at big card draw generators that either bring massive value or whiff completely. i don't see green's card draw as necessarily bad, it's just unreliable, which is why i think blue's and black's are better

it's also less about what green is good at, and more about how retardedly good at black is at the things that matter. black just has so many good tutors, draw spells, combos and low cmc blowouts in its colors that it becomes really hard to compete with it. even something like contamination can btfo so much shit that the value of terastodon and seedborn muse will never even come up

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What kind of shenanigans can I pull with this guy?

BOTH green and black are great because they can pull Boros out of the fucking mud and make something of the R/W color combination.