40k Transports

Razorbacks are not that much pricier, and have a gun. Rhinos no longer have fire points, and why are you running large units of Marines anyway?

>>54659801
>Disclaimer: IG-exclusive player who only faces space marines
It depends on the army. Rhinos are pretty good for Melee marines and berserkers because they shield the units inside from the turn one shooting and turn two overwatch. Razorbacks are also pretty damn awesome as they fulfill tank duty while shuffling the squads to objectives.

Melee hordes don't need the transports because they all have some sort of deep strike (nids), teleport (orks), or super-run/run-and-shoot (imperial guard) ability. Plus, trukks and chimeras can't reliably hit a barn's broadside while moving and cost a fortune.

Taurox prime is pretty good for meltamen just because they can charge forward then shoot turn 2 after the offload.

Eldar units can ignore the BS and are thus quite decent at most things.

>>54659801
Rhinos are pretty useful and incredibly obnoxious to use as melee units against enemy vehicles that don't have fly. Just keep charging them and they have to keep falling back but never get to shoot. Bumper cars syndrome is one of the problems of 8th ed when you run a lot of tanks or transports.

I wouldn't say rhinos are bad, but they are not great still better than a pod now adays but poor chaos has no other option under200 points so they are kind of stuck with it

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>>54662795
>>54663237
>>54664505
Thanks for the perspectives.

I'm actually playing Sisters but Sister threads inevitably attract trolls and I wanted useful information.

Gonna bring 2 Rhinos for flamer squads and 2 Repressors for melta squads.

>>54665067
No. Rhinos should be used for Repentia and/or the Ministorum assault troops. For actual Sisters you really should just use Repressors or at least an Immolator. If you want big squads of Sisters you're better off just giving them Storm Bolters and footslogging.

>>54665520

This. Don't fucking use rhinos for Sisters. repressors and immolators are where its at.

>>54663237
>Bumper cars syndrome is one of the problems of 8th ed when you run a lot of tanks or transports.

this sounds like a feature and not a bug

>>54667235
>>54663237
>he didn't tank shock with every single vehicle in his list in 7E

Plebs.

>>54667235
>deepstrike hellions
>assault razorback
>consolidate into predator
>the same predator was T1 charged by reavers to prevent shooting
>break away from combat
>assault his HQ
>consolidate into land raider
>cant shoot following turn because in combat

Laughs were had

>>54667357
I really miss tank shock and ram. I remember reading the rules for them and thinking "when am i not going to this?" Oh your guys are holding that objective? Outta my way fucking tau shits, obsec rhino coming through! Ever ram a monolith into a leman russ' flank? Its glorious. No one ever expected stuff like that at my shop

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>>54668357
>tfw have a transport specifically designed to ram shit
>Fires of Cyraxus never release in 7e

suffering

Trucks are basically pointless now. They're so expensive and Orla are fast enough without. Also you can only fit, I think, 10 Boyz in a Trull and Boyz mobs should always be 30 strong in 8th.

The only units I'd consider putting in a Trukk are tankbustaz and maybe nobz.

>>54669227
>not putting yer nobz in a 'naut

mukkin abowt

>>54669257

Isn't that thing like $200?

>>54659899
I thought MSU was bad in the current edition since everything is aura based?

>>54669462

Two squads of 5 inside an aura are the same thing as one squad of 10 inside an aura.

>>54669488
yeah, but now you can conga line further for greater threat ranges

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>>54668393
>tfw when no glorious admech ram-train

>>54667357
So glad that the equivalent of Tank Shock isn't "Hmm, I'll casually walk out of the way". It was pretty pathetic in previous editions for years and years.
You were lucky to find a tight space and maybe kill a couple of gaunts.

It should have been an initiative test and a STR 6 AP 3 hit to all models in the unit that failed.

I like that they gave it a combat equivalent in 8e. It works okay. They can do actual damage.

The bumper cars situation kind of works (Makes sense that an empty transport can do a lot of harassment as it tries to run something over and someone's trying to get out the way if they aren't strong enough to fight back, or one tank is ramming another away etc.)
The problem is that at the moment, it has little risk.
Maybe have it so any wound of a 6 on a vehicle is a mortal wound as it took damage to a vulnerable area that is more easily hit in melee.
Kind of like how they used to receive melee damage to their weak rear armor.

>>54671804
Anyone using conga lines should be ashamed.
You can argue it's a legitimate tactic and yes it's fully in the rules.
Problem is you're supposed to be simulating a battle and your dudes wouldn't fight like that. Just not in the spirit of the game.

>>54672371
Spirit of the game is bullshit.

Game has components and rules.
Nothing in the rule books demand that I need to simulate anything.

Fuck your stupid ass inane bullshit.

>>54672505
Why do you even use models then? You should just use tokens that represent the rules entries you want to use to win the game, if that's your idea of a good time.

>>54672529
That's a stupid comparison
Actually using armies of models is the whole point of the game

>>54672626
Why do they need to look like an army? They aren't in a battle.

You just need playing pieces to move around with what the rules let you do.

>>54672690
We WANT them to look like an army because the game itself IS making armies of models fight

But if two people DID want to play with just markers, then that's cool for them.

>>54669488
>>54671804
Explain this "conga lines" thing to a noob please

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>>54672738
Doing this

>>54668321
>break away from combat
>assault his HQ
what?

>>54672776
I think it stills make sense in most cases.

Like a guardsmen squad, only a few of your mates need to be in voice range of your officer to relay orders, etc.

>>54672291
>The bumper cars situation kind of works (Makes sense that an empty transport can do a lot of harassment as it tries to run something over and someone's trying to get out the way if they aren't strong enough to fight back, or one tank is ramming another away etc.)
no, if a tank is trying to shoot you aren't going to prevent it by harassing the tank, either the rhino puts itself in front of the cannon or the tank should be able to just fire undisturbed out of combat. The rule would make more sense if you could choose to take the autohit on your bumper car.

>>54672291
The purpose of tank shock was not to kill models but to move enemy models, it worked fine and death or glory moments were pretty cinematic. Raming needed a change though, even a S10 autohit wasn't all that impressive for a heavy tank ploughing into something.

>>54672779
if you have Fly you can basically do whatever the fuck you want

>>54673065
You can break and shoot with the FLY keyword, you can't break and charge.

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>>54672776
That one isn't really the problem though.

THIS is and it's very favorable to armies like Orks where that string back 30 boys (So up to 60+ inches potentially) that keeps your warboss way out of harms way but can buff a load of guys in combat on the front lines.

>>54662795
>trukks and chimeras can't reliably hit a barn's broadside while moving
First off, trukks have assault weapons.
Second off, who the fuck takes trukks for the gun?

>>54673100
That looks more like the HQ failed the charge, and you probably want the warboss in melee rather than "out of harms way", he is a capable fighter that you pay a bunch of points for.

>>54672776
There's nothing wrong with this.

I have more of an issue with a mob of 30 boyz getting a few models tied up in combat while the rest trail behind, being unshootable and also screening all the characters buffing the unit from being targeted.

>>54673149
This. My friend has been running Ghazgkull and, after a few games, realised that he really didn't need protecting and every turn he wasn't in melee was a waste.

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>>54673149
Here's a less rushed version to make the point clearer.
I'm not trying to move goalposts, just give a better explanation of the potential here. People are doing this and it's silly but totally works with the rules.

>>54673337
How does one end up in that situation?

>>54673337
Add in a painboy, ghaz, a KFF mek and probably some FW unit that also gives a boost at the back

>>54672776

That's how auras are supposed to work. Otherwise the rule would be written like the Mek's KFF...

I haven't really looked at 8th but I just got some orks just to try some fun conversions. Are trukks usable as a gun platform for boyz? Like, 10 shootas in a trukk scootin and shootin?

>>54673337

Put some terrain on the table then.

>>54673430
Trukks are too expensive to run boyz in them, but they're great to run nobz in

>>54673389

KFF the whole unit must be in

>>54673459
Still open-top assault vehicle or equivalent?

>>54673458
But the chain can curve around the pieces of terrain. They don't need to be straight lines.
Model base is 1" and you get 2" coherency, that's a 90" line that can snake in an S shape around the board 7.5 feet.

>>54673472
WAACfag thought process is to try it and hope the enemy doesnt know ork rules. We had a dude congalining ninety boys try and argue that he'd take all casualties on the dudes within range of the KFF despite having the rules exhaustively explained to him by bystanders because he was playing against a crons player who didnt know ork rules

At least this generation of WAACfags are actually good painters, they were gorgeous

>>54673505

send a unit of Berserkers into the side of the conga line then

At the end of the day, they're T4 boys with a 6+ save.

Conga lines really only fuck with gunlines. Being some assault troops

>>54673510

That's not WAAC that's cheating. Shun him.

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>>54671849
Also in "rad missile artillery" variant, because fuck fleshbags

>>54673543
oh yeah, he was politely asked not to do it again by our redshirt, who's actually pretty cool, and no-one else played him all afternoon, and likely ever again

>>54659801
>Are Rhinos bad in 8th?
No. But if you don't field your Assault Cannons on Razorbacks, where does you anti-infantry Dakka come from? Lots of bolters doesn't cut to it.

>>54665067
Rhinos are for melee church units.
Immolators for SoB
Repressor for melta dominions and maybe an extra squad of storm Bolter dominions.

Don't bother with heavy Bolter Immolator you can get a Repressor for about the same price

On a side note flamers suck ass for SoB now, so it is Storm Bolters for Battle Sisters Squads, melta/SB for dominions and Rets Heavy Bolter

>>54673999
Meltas or flamers on immolators?

>>54674128
Storm Bolters

Think of this you can fit 3 Storm Bolters and a power maul for 10 points, a flamer is 9 points.
That is 12 shots alone for the SB and 4 extra shots for the bolters.
3D6 flamers at 8" is very unwieldy while 16 shots at 12" is more useful in the long run.

Meltas are for dominions or inferno pistols for Seraphims since they can move 24" turn 1 between AoF and special rules.

Remember AoF are only for stuff on the board at the start of the turn so shit in transport of Deepstriking does not count for AoF

If overwatch happens you are already dead in melee anyways

>>54674233
Thanks. But I meant on the immolator, not in it.

>>54674260
Immolation flamer

12" S5 AP-1 and 2D6 assault it is the magical number for weapons in this edition.

For melta you have the rest of your army that is better at it.

>>54674294
This. Immo Flamer is a nice sweet spot in terms of points and effectiveness. If you really want Multi-meltas I'd lean towards MM Rets in a Repressor.

>>54674294
>>54674345
Aight, seems resonable. Heavy weapons on a transport also seemed like a bit of a waste.

Any idea about what to do with a canoness? I plan to have a cheap one stood between a couple of exorcists but I don't really know what to do with the other one. She doesn't fit woth my repentias as they already get the re-rolls from their mistress and so far I have no other close combat infantry.

>>54673855
Why do i find those "arms" cute?

>>54674233
I do wish that they did more than one easily accessible stormbolter model

>>54674370
Repentias are trash.
Run them as DCA, Crusaders or Arco-fags

Canoness keep them cheap. They are just buff bubbles. Maybe a combi plasma

>>54674520
I've had very good results with 8 repentias, a mistress and a ministorumm priest in a rhino. Sure they are a glass canon but they kill whatever they charge.

And I also like them.

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>>54674399
Because they are cute! They even have their own machine spirits

Not a transport though, unlike this - which (or rather, the unit it represents) can also be made as a land raider

>>54673100
>Orks
>keep the boss out of harms way
U WOT?

>>54669462
You congaline Conscripts or Orks, not Tacmarines. Bobby G's buff bubble goes to units that don't use transports, like Rifledreads and other "shooty" vehicles.

>>54668357
Jon Camacho ran a Living Tomb at LVO 2014, and won against a guy running a Thunderwolf Superfriends build that didn't expect him to Thunderblitz him off said objectives.

I enjoy "shove" mechanics in games (you could argue one reason WMH is going tits up besides colossals and war engine casters, is there are way more ways to negate "being moved"), so their removal in 8th is sad.

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>>54673337
>95% of your army can't fight back in melee
Gee wow what an advantage broken rule

>>54676799
Tails are more useful than full congalines--a couple of boyz trailing off the side or back of a blob to stay in reach of a buff unit or objective. Which is nothing new.

>>54674370
I like the Combi/Eviscerator Canoness. She has WS 2+, re-roll 1s aura, 4 attacks and a 3+/4++ be default. Might as well use it. Plus she can have pretty impressive output if you burn an Act on her. The 22 points of the Evis. are worthwhile. Eviscerator Canoness can stand up to other melee characters surprisingly well.

That said, the cheaper Combi/Power Maul version is also good. Also I love Combi-Plasma on her. The aura means she uses it really well as long as you're comfortable with her committing suicide every once in a blue moon.

>>54669348
it costs glue, a coffee tin and some soda cans.

>>54673337
Ancient greek phalanxes were organised so that their most experienced men were at the front and back. At the front so they could fight the shit out of the enemy, and at the back to keep the squishy inexperienced innards of the phalanx from running away. The entire phalanx never fought all at one time and it was that way by design. The bulk of warm bodies was just there to support the front ranks. In fact if the enemy broke through the first few ranks the phalanx was likely destroyed.

It's possible that military commanders in the new age of massed hand to hand combat have studied ancient tactics.

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>>54659801
How are Land Raiders in 8th?

And what about variants - what's your favourite?
On table/in theme or fluff?

>>54672858
Yeah but it breaks down when it comes to yuge hordes of dudes. Ork Warboss buff should be 12" but only affect models within range, not units.

>>54677816

They're the toughest non-knight equivalent model in the game with T8, 16 Wounds and a 2+ Save. They're slow but pack a hell of a punch now with 4 lascannon shots, 6 heavy bolter shots and a cheeky multi-mmelta+stormbolter all with splitfire for multiple targets. They can move and fire at full efficiency which is handy as you're going to want to keep them moving to acquire better shots and avoid close combat units.

They're silly expensive at 350 points. They are particularly vulnerable to close combat in the respects that they can easily be chain tied up and effectively be able to do nothing for the rest of the game against a throwaway rhino or unit of conscripts/gaunts etc.

Their role as an assault transport for terminator type units is greatly diminished as it's probably worth saving 350 points and just deep striking the terminators now as you can assault with them straight away and you don't want your land raider anywhere near close combat range to anything as then it's fucked.

They're probably not worth it overall as they're super expensive and don't really do much for that but they're still really cool and in casual games I'd take one for the fun of it.

>>54680299
Ah, shame that they can be tarpitted - I thought there was meant to be something for that?

>>54680603

You could probably use melee Terminators to clear away tarpits so it can keep shooting.

>>54680603

Nothing that I've seen in the rules. You can move the land raider away from the unit who charged it freely but then it can't fire or charge itself on the turn it does that, and then can just be charged again ad naueum.

You can obviously support the unit with other units and shoot whatever is tarpitting your landraider but now you're using a unit to try to kill anotherwise insigificant unit like an empty rhino or group of fodder units.

You can surround the landraider with your own tarpit troops to take the charge itself and any unit can now shoot through another unit and not suffer any penalty, nor do your opponents get cover saves. However this relegates the land raider to backline fire supprt, which other units would be better at, rather than in my mind its role as a frontline assault transport that can pack a punch as well while it still can do this it's going to be inevitably tied up if it does.

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>>54673070

Hellions can, nigga.

>>54673070
>>54681217

Similarly, the White Scars Chapter Trait lets their units do this, too. Although the only applicable Vehicle for that is a Dreadnought.

>>54681259
Ironically, White Scars do Jump Packs better than Raven Guard, Ultramarines do Bikes better than White Scars, and Raven Guard do Gravcents better than Imperial Fists. Whoops.

>>54680942
The assault phase comes after the shooting phase. Get cheap Primaris Psykers to mass-Smite.

>>54680986
Just bring your own cheap vehicles to drive into their Rhinos so you can forget about both of them for the rest of the game.

Though I guess SM don't get any cheap vehicles so once again only horde armies can do it.

>>54669227
See, you don't put boyz in a trukk. You put 12 lootas. Or 6 flash gits with ammo runts. Speed them to exactly where you need them, and then sit them there. Trukk is essentially a bunker from then on, not a terribly tough one, but enough to increase their survivability a bit. But the real advantage is spending one turn with a -1 to hit, and then being in perfect position in every subsequent turn, rather than spending the first three turns footslogging with MV5 and with -1 to hit.
You have to think of open-topped transports as gunboats this edition, as there is no reason not to give your battlewagon an 'ard case if you're only using it for assault troops.
Still, the best gunboat strategy is obviously 20 grots in an open-topped battlewagon, keeping them at SDILN bonus until the battlewagon is destroyed

>>54682123

>Still, the best gunboat strategy is obviously

Well, technically Imperial Guard have that one, which is just a Stormlord (whichever that baneblade with the MEGA bolter is) and as many Heavy Weapon teams as you can stick in the back of it.

>>54672717
Yes but the game itself is making armies fight. You said it yourself.

Armies don't fight in conga-lines.

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>>54682325

>>54682890
What kind of heretic wouldn't be inspired by knowing that he was in the presence of someone who had been in the presence of someone who had been the presence of someone who had once spoken to someone who had once breathed air in the same room as the great Lord Commander Guilliman?

>>54682890
Easy fix. My special character's aura only affects MODELS within 6" instead of units.

>>54672529
Because the models are the components of the game, you stupid shit. The game tells me to use models so I use the model.

>>54682890
This makes the Support command vulnerable to shooting since it's the only shooting target I have. Don't even need snipers.

>>54684243
**units with a majority of models within 6"

It's no less effort to check, and isn't changing the spirit of the rule just to reign in one That Guy

>>54685380
>vulnerable to shooting
Being in melee doesn't the congaline brigade from being the closest visible enemy unit(s).

>>54681346
Well, Scars can make great use of ONE unit of bikes. It's just that massed bikes aren't the best for them.

Do we know anything about the SoS transport?

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>>54659801
I'm running Sisters with both rhinos and immolators as transports. You can play bumper cars after they dump the troops on an objective which always infuriates vehicle heavy armies.

Of all the rules that weren't properly thought out in 8th edition I think this is the worst of them. there is no reason that a tank can't reverse and fire it's main guns in combat. it simply makes no sense at all. and if they get "stuck" up against some terrain or a board edge they are pretty much out of commission until they kill the rhino.

>>54669227
Trukks are for protecting tankbustas and skorcha-Nobz while they do drive bys. They aren't for melee units anymore.

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>>54686314
>tfw consolidating into a land raider with one model after you assaulted so it can't fire next turn

>>54674370
I've actually made Canoness a staple part of my army, and take 4 at 2000 Points

Canoness with combi-plasma and boltgun, 5x sisters with combi-plasma and 2 meltaguns, stuffed into an Immolator with an Immolation Flamer

Canoness lets you keep the plasma on overcharge forever, and results in a squad that lays down as much damage as a 5 melta Dominion pack, while using an HQ and troop slot to make those delicious battalion command points easy to get.

I run 5-6 immolators all with flamers as my only vehicles, because they're the most efficient source of flame I've found for sisters. Behind them are heavy flamer rets (can actually keep up with heavy bolters for points efficiency) but basic flamers you should just take storm bolters

And I didn't fucking play sisters to NOT burn down the world

>>54659801

I usually run a rhino with 2 5man combat squads inside to secure objectives and use it as a barricade. With the Ultramarine tactic of being able to fallback and shoot I charge the rhino into any advancing unit that would try to get my squads into close combat.

>>54665067
Sisters rhinos are better because they can take 2 stormbolters.

But, they're not as good as immolators unless you wanna transport 2 teams of 5 (they're cheaper as well)

>>54688818
Plasma overcharging on a canoness still seems like a risky game to play, even with re-rolls.

>>54685380
doesn't work like that anymore, owning player decides where casualties come from and if you even see one other enemy model closer (and if he's congalining that hard, you will) you'll have to shoot that unit instead of the character.

There's a reason people hate conga lines.

>>54689160
It's a 3% chance of overheating, and I save some command points to stop them from exploding, just in case

>>54689213

You can't reroll a reroll, but I'm glad the old Canoness is a thing that works. I was worried about being forced to take Celestine for all eternity. I used to do the 5 combi-plas command squad back in 7th and loved it.

>>54689202
Fine, whatever, kill the unit.

Oh noes, I have to kill stuff in a wargame

>>54689298
Ok, have fun with 120 conscripts in 30man blobs

>>54689344
conscript bubble is shit. If it's a bubble, the full force won't hit me, if it's a wall, I'll go behind and kill the commissar.

whatevers

>>54689375

I'm sure that's what everyone said at the tournament where that guy won with 120 conscripts.

>>54673532
Exactly this. Charge into the sides, cause his unit to no longer be in coherency, then it must try to regain coherency. What happens if it can't?

>>54686314
paint status:
THICC

>>54689413
It gets stuck and can never move again.

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>>54689230
>GW axed command squads
>Stuck with shitty Celestians that barely make use of their 2 attack base
I want to rip and tear the impure, godammit!

>>54689413
>>54689441
You know you're no longer obligated to take melee casualties from the models in range of the melee, right? It's just like shooting, owner's choice

>>54677792
That sounds like something that would have been in WFB to me, not something like 40k where even melee units usually have pistols and tactics can be easily based around gunlines rather than melee.

>>54689624

I'm just glad I didn't pull the trigger on the superiors I needed to make a proper command squad. They're $13 each, and they're the only one you can cleanly replace the bolter.

>>54669348
Not if yer propa orky about it

>>54685495

All that does is shorten conga lines by 50%.

>>54689624

Yeah, the SOB melee stuff really isn't shining (Not that it ever has. Human statlines don't like melee). Which is a pity, as the Repentia have been so visibly iconic a group for the faction.

As an aside: I had my first battle against Primaris today. I feel a bit bad for him, all those 2 wound guys and Exorcists throwing out d3 damage on missiles wipes his guys off the board really fast.

>>54684243
Maybe GW could think of something besides buff-stacking as synergy? Say what you want about Ward, but his 5e codexes did also have combos that weren't just piling on buffs. Karamazov and Interceptors were hilarious for example.

>>54686025
That's the problem with Stratagems. They don't scale while Chapter Tactics do. Thus it's best for White Scars to use melee-only units (bleh), or Fly units. GW even went said "blahblah Intercessors and Vanguard."

Like, it's one thing for the rules to be bland and lazy. When they fail to approximate the fluff, that's another thing. If I'm thinking of running Raven Guard as a Dreadnought gunline, something is off. Ditto Night Lord Obliterators of Tzeentch.

>>54689406
Not just 1 army that won. BAO had 2 undefeated lists and the 3rd list came close. All three lists were "conscriptspam and another thing", be it Stormravens, Celestine, or Stormtroopers. Imperials are the new Eldar of 40k, in an edition where maneuver means less than buff-stacking. You know how GW said no more superfriends? They just meant no more Space Wolf Superfriends.

>>54688818
Troops can only have 1 combi weapon

Celestians squads are not troops.

>>54691457
Eh. That's not what superfriends means, that's just bog standard allies. And I'm sure conscripts are the next mole to be whacked for being out of line.

>>54673131
>assault weapons
Still hit at BS5+ though

>>54691869
Guards tanks have grotz/Orks gunners now

Tanks shooting like a little boy holding a gun for the first time is annoying as fuck. Even WWII tanks could shoot on the move without the problems GW seem to think tanks get when shooting and moving.

Fun fact. Flying vehicles can not be put on top of buildings, since only infantry can be out on those.
Super sonic aircraft have to follow the road

>>54681488

>bring two land raiders
>bring 5 rhinos
>form a wagon fort around land raiders
>laugh as enemy can't charge land raiders all game

>>54691915
>Even WWII tanks could shoot on the move without the problems GW seem to think tanks get when shooting and moving.
Have you even looked into WW2 tanks shooting on the move?
Standard procedure in all countries was to halt when firing, even with the primitive stabilisers some countries had.

Firing while moving across even slightly uneven ground with a gun without 3-axis stabilisation is a pain in the ass.

>>54691915
Aircraft are a case of derp all around in 8e. Like, how they now get perfect LOS. All of them. Or how they crash if they land on top of them (and yes I know it was in 7e but then it got FAQd). Or the double-whammy where infantry cannot move under an airborne flyer, but cannot charge it.

>>54691980
It was never the 1/5 chance of missing everything
Tanks have a bloody hard time shooting the ground, from inside the ground.

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>>54686314
>playing sisters
muh nigga

>>54692090
Even most WW2 wargames have a to-hit penalty on that level, dude.

>>54692127
Fucking why? At least tell me it is speed related. Other wise is just stupid.

>>54686314
That's exactly my plan for the Rhinos, dump a Flamer squad with HQ to buff 'em on an objective, then go play bumper cars. Good to know it has some merit, thanks.

>>54692268
Firing a gun accurately on the move is pretty damn difficult when every little bump jostles the gun compared to where the target is.
Considering most tank battles were fought between several hundred and about 1500 meters, even a small deviation (like half a degree) would have a shot land far wide.

>>54682890
Scrub

>>54692493
Yeah, when it can be avoided even modern crews prefer to fire when stationary.

Though the fact that most of the best modern tanks don't face other tanks and have little to fear from a single hit unless they're totally unsuspecting kinda helps - there were some tanks in the sandbox coming out looking like hedgehogs with so many RPG strikes, but very few were knocked out

>>54692742
Bit of a correction there:

While most modern tanks have little to fear from basic infantry-fired RPGs, guided anti-tank missles of the latest generations can still be bloody scary.
The only proper defense versus the latest types is to shoot down the projectile before it reaches you and sends a spray of molten metal through your roof.

And a pair of infantrymen hidden in a bush or on a ridge are capable of firing those.

>>54682957
Kekked, original humour - will steal for games

is the chimera still shit?

>>54693631
Yup. Use Valks to get Scions/Meltas (Which should also be Scions) close, footslog everything else.

>>54689624
>>54690715
Arcos are alright, or you can bring Sisters of Silence Vigilators.

>>54694406
The issues with SoS is that they can only ride in their shitty Rhino. The fucking thing can't have double Storm Bolters.
For the point cost you might as well bring Repentias that can get extra attacks with a priest and more buffs with mistress

>>54691822
Combi-plasma on the sister superior ya dingus

>>54696697
>Canoness with combi-plasma and boltgun, 5x sisters with combi-plasma and 2 meltaguns, stuffed into an Immolator with an Immolation Flamer
>5x sisters with combi-plasma and 2 meltaguns, stuffed into an Immolator with an Immolation Flamer
>5x sisters with combi-plasma and 2 meltaguns
>5x sisters with combi-plasma
>combi-plasma

That is clearly 5 girls with combi and not just the HQ

>>54699046
Yes, a squad of 5 Adepta Sororitas units: A Sister Superior with Combi-Plasma, 2 Battle Sisters with Melta (One each, not sharing), and two more Battle Sisters with the standard loadout.

Have I satisfied your raging autism, you dingus?

>>54699258
Adepta Sororitas models*