MTG Modern General

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All right /tg/, I have an unhealthy desire to play a different deck every tournament, so I'm thinking about sleeving this pile up for Friday - give me your thoughts

>>54653055
Probably should have made the thread image a modern-playable card

>>54653055
>BGx good stuff.deck edition
Worst edition
How can we get rid of goodstuff.decs? Are they inevitable in Modern?

>Inb4 Go to Legacy if you want to play combo decks
Burn, Affinity and Tron are neither combo nor goodstuff.dec

>>54653127

>that feeling when Hunmaster of the Fells is Legacy-playable but not Modern-playable

if only Nic Fit existed in Modern

>>54653180
Yeah, Veteran Explorer would be too good in Modern. We might have nut draws with something crazy like seven mana on turn three

>>54653175
Goodstuff has been struggling for a while now, Tron just stomps it and DS does its game better

>>54653055
>Play
GW Hatebears ft. Collected Company. It's a fun build, dumps on certain decks, goes even with others.

>Hate
Elfball. Boring and uninteractive playing against it. Bant Eldrazi isn't much fun to play against either.

>Brewing
Boros something or other with Aether Vials. Boros Reckoner and Deflecting Palm are hilarious against Death's Shadow.

>>54653175
I'm new to the format but I have more fun playing against bgx liliana goyf midrange than Ravager decks and certainly more than either flavor of Tron. At least grindy midrange games are games, Tron is just playing shit way ahead of curve and you either have some type of a response or you're dead.

GDS is goodstuff and is also far more interesting to play against.

How important are Horizon Canopies in D&T? Seems like a good way to save $300 when building the deck on a budget.

>>54653237
You'll sometimes miss the card draw but for the most part it's the 57th-60th cards in the deck that you can replace with basics assuming you're mono-white.

If you're on that new Collected Company and Taxes G/W shit you'll miss it more.

>>54653237
First thing to go when building on a budget but if you're looking to play competitively at a pptq or gp level they're pretty necessary

>>54653127
>Probably should have made the thread image a modern-playable card
Please don't bully the midrange players.

>>54653309
>please don't bully the midrange players
Don't worry, I'm not the one on Tron

>>54653127
I have a guy at my store who plays a very similar deck and does fairly well. Consider Path to Exile.

>>54653223
I have more fun playing against Tron and other "unfair" deck because at least there's more to it than "I play this good card then this good card then this..."

>>54653275
>if you're looking to play competitively at a pptq or gp level they're pretty necessary
false! they can easily be mutavaults, which i've done well with on several occasions.

>>54653175
Why do you so autistically hate good stuff?

>>54653531
Agree to disagree I guess. I don't think there's much interesting about facing down 14 power's worth of Eldrazi on turn 4. Or the race to play Karn or Ugin as soon as possible. Feels like games are decided on the strength of either side's opening hand and first 5 draws rather than any interaction actually taking place.

Even when I'm successful against Tron decks it's because they didn't get off the ground in time, and instead of a non-game on my end, it's a non-game on theirs.

>>54653531
What do you play?

>>54653654
Because I want to play interesting games against interesting gameplans, using cards I've never seen before and interactions I've never thought about

>>54653692
>Feels like games are decided on the strength of either side's opening hand and first 5 draws rather than any interaction actually taking place.
That applies to a lot of decks

>>54653748
des is that you

I've got a meta full Tron variants, Spaghetti Monsters & U/W Control. What deck would you play to combat this menace?

Been playing R/W Prison with Bridges & T2 Blood Moon just isn't as backbreaking as it used to be.

>>54653755
Obviously not, I'm still able to have fun playing Magic

>>54653748
It applies dispraportionately to decks and archetypes that try to abuse potentially broken strategies. Sometimes non-games happen, it's variance in a card game. But the "fair" decks of the format are likely to have matchups where meaningful player interaction and decision making takes place. I could slam BGx decks against each other for hours and always have a fun time. Or Death's Shadow decks. Or UWx decks. Or DnT or the various types of CoCo. Sometimes non-games happen but the games aren't linear and the other side of the table tends to matter.

>>54653801
yeah as long as your opponents arent NET DECKERS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54653833
When did I complain about net-decking? I have no problem with it, most people are not able to brew good decks
I'm not able to either, I'm probably the worst at brewing in my LGS

>>54653786
affinity is the best answer, followed by getting another hobby and doing that instead of playing modern at your lgs.

>>54653891
>I-I-Im the c-complete opposite of d-des!
nice try des

>>54653995
Dude, I'm literally playing G/x Tron, how is that being against netdecking?
My brews are shitty and not worthy of seeing any light

You, on the other hand, seems to have a weird interest in Desolator

>>54653971
kekd at that last comment

Looking to get into the format from EDH, not a huge fan of a lot of the meta decks (or their price tags) except maybe tron.

I noticed on mtg goldfish that merfolk and elves were both on the meta though their respective decks were still.pricey.

Would a budget tribal deck, like faeries or merfolk work in modern? Talking a budget of around 200$

>>54654041
Depends on your LGS really
You can try building a budget version of the deck first then buy the expensive pieces one by one

You might try Human tribal. Puts up decent results as far as I know.

>lava spike is a 5 dollar card
i could be living in a mansion and sniffing crack outta a hookers ass every night if i only saved all those lava spikes man

damn

>>54654041
>commanderfag wants to play tribal

Woah shocking

Why did Kaladesh Invention Wurmcoil Engine jump in price?

>>54654099
Well from the commander side of things (and the one game of standard I watched) people are pretty competitive.

I haven't been around for a modern day, due to work. But with a schedule change I'll be able to make FNM

What helps you design a budget deck? Some cards (aether vial for example) seem irreplaceable, would you recommend just using goodstuff instead?

>>54654041
You're not going to build a quality deck with $200. Merfolk needs Vial to function and that's going for like 45-50 these days. Merfolk hasn't been good in years, not even the unbanning of Bitterblossom could save that dumpster fire.

>>54654215
Look around if there's a budget replacement for it or replace it by Merfolks/Elves that can grab more
But I'm pretty sure the former doesn't exist, sorry

>>54654261
>vial is 45-50
i have so many mtg regrets

i coulda been rich

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COMBROS WHERE ARE WE. WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE
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>>54654363
Right here

Gonna be entering a modern pptq with KCI

>>54654363
does this deck actually win

>>54654363
Oh hi Cheeri0s, it's been a while
Not using Mox Opal?

>>54654552
not using your eyes?

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>>54654363
Who jankballs here?

>>54654575
No need to be mean, I was looking for it among the 0cmc artifacts

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>>54654552
>>54654575
rudeposting is not allowed sir

>>54654854
>thats considered rude
i want europeans to leave

>>54654917
pardon sir be on your way

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>>54653055
brewing around with kiki-jiki and hatebears in modern. Any thoughts on this maindeck?

>>54654982
>4 Kiki Jiki
>12 Red Sources
I know you've got Vial, but ticking it to 5 feels bad, man.

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Seems to be the jank hours so might as well post my pet homeless combo card that hopefully get there sometime in the future when new cards get printed. Although wotc hates storm-type things so it's a bit of a stretch.
>quite free, quite repeated card advantage, workable
>Painter's Servant to trigger on normally monocolored spells??
>discarding to Jeskai Ascendancy loot trigger??
>green not absolutely unreasonable to cast, ramps mana on the following turn
>black and blue are theoretically could kill if you're going off really REALLY hard

>>54655010
so far in testing i've been able to cast it everytime i hit 5 lands, although I tend to need to ghost quarter myself about 2/10 times that I do get to 5 mana

>>54654982
i played that while twin was still legal. it was sugoi as fuck. czech twin will always have a place in my heart.

THAT BEING SAID one kiki can be an avalanche riders, three bellringers can be leonin arbiter and one thalia can be the last leonin arbiter, otherwise moonman is pointless.

>>54654214
(((Them)))

>>54654214
(((Investors)))

How can I go tribal zombie, and be somehow competitive?

>>54656166
Play standard

anyone else hope the new dragon commander deck is gonna contain a door to nothingness?

>>54656561
No

>>54656561
Why are you asking about a commander set in the modern general?

>>54656627
because i forgot im in the wrong thread

>>54654363
Gifts stormfag reporting in. This week is gonna be insane.

>>54653237

It's just extra draw, not absolutely necessary but useful to have. I mean if anything you can still play Flagstones of Trokair+Ghost Quarter combo in your own deck and more or less do the same thing of drawing cards out of your deck.

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I'm considering building eldrazi tron. Is it, dare I say, fun?

>>54657435
It wins good, but you're playing a linear deck. You be the judge.

also possible ban warning, wait until august is out

>>54657483

I'm ok with it being linear, after all, I play titanshift

But yeah, the chance of bannings is real,
even more so if they end up banning somehting from GDS

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What's your favourite tribe? Mine is rats

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>>54657546

Goblins

reprint when

>>54657546
Pretty sure this loses horribly to Kithkin, which is already a dead and bad forced meme.

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>>54654585
Oh shit nigga im doing this this in Rakdos where your Waste nots at nigga

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-05-17-controlled-burn/

>>54657771
I should clarify, "how many wastes not you got nigga"

Can I make mono-black devotion good? It seems like a solid deck in concept has anyone ran anything similar.

Ive got most of the expensive cards for this already so im considering running it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-09-16-assisted-suicide/

>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/709249#paper

Can anyone explain to me how this got to top 20?

>mono green
>no caverns

>>54653237
I just replaced 4x HC with 2x Sea-Gate Wreckage and 2x Seftan Dunes and its been working well for additional card draw on a budget.

Is it a good idea to be buying thoughtseize now for around $20 what are the chances of a new discard or a reprint

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>>54657942
I ran this list and it was pretty good. Not great, and I lost more than I won, but I knew what I was in for. Maybe just update it with collective brutality?

>>54657973
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/6pi8hc/tournament_report_scg_atlanta_modern_classic_top/

>>54657973
It's not really needed? There aren't a ton of counterspells to worry about? Maybe they were cut for westvale?

>>54658084
This deck came third at Modern Championship but it makes no use of some of the best devotion and black cards like phyrexian and i like the use of Shrine to nyx, collective and zombies in >>54657942

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>>54657771
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-05-17-controlled-burn/

I've been trying to build this as well. I affectionately named the deck Hot Wheels.

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For jeskai queller / control: relic of progenitus or rest in peace?

I don't like rip because it kills your snapcasters, but you also need all the help you can against dredge, thoughts?

>>54658268
Queller is a meme card.

RiP is fine in a format you can't snap brainstorm or ponder or force.

Why am I seeing so many decks playing waste not now? Did it see play somewhere big recently?

>>54658003
Last reprint was Theros, where it was declared a mistake and too strong for Standard.

So try MM4 at best.
>new discard
We got Harsh Scrutiny in Kaladesh. Scry 1 is decent and honestly makes it preferable to Duress for Modern. Still, thoughtseize and IoK are irreplaceable.
Only way we get new discard is if they ban something. I like Thoughtseize, but Ponder/Preordain give them all the justification necessary to ban it. wizards will never print a "fixed" version where you lose life equal to mana cost of discarded spell instead of a flat rate

>>54658268
Tormod's Crypt? I ran it in Elves against dredge last year.

>>54658396
Are we watching the same format?

>>54658439
Harsh scrutiny is in no way comparable to duress

Duress hits combo, scrutiny hits generic creature decks

>>54658439
Ponder and preordain were banned because they break storm.

Thoughtsieze kills storm. It won't get hit.

>>54658556
The amount of combo in Modern is very low. I would rather mainboard neither.

>>54658602
How would you rephrase my statement to be more clear? I was trying to get across the idea that any new discard would either be irrelevant, or good enough to justify taking it over IoK or Thoughtseize, which Wizards won't allow to happen.
So, if something were to be printed that replaces Thoightseize/Iok (most likely the latter), it would be the result of a ban.

"If Wizards printed [new good discard], then they would have done so after banning [existing discard]"
This doesn't feel like an accurate expression of the logic.

>>54658439
>ponder/preordain ban justify ts ban
Nowhere close, the cantrips are good in combo decks and help break the turn 4 rule, ts does the opposite

>harsh scruitiny
Worse than despise, and the matchups you would ever want more 1-mana discard than iok/ts, duress is best

I started playing a U/W delver deck not too long ago and its turned into control
I'm thinking of cutting the delvers all together for some other flying threats, is there a rule of thumb for what decks capitalize on delvers?

I wanted some of your opinions regarding my future Modern Deck(s). I just got 600€ for Modern. I'm thinking of Burn (Boros (with a bit of Naya)) for 397.52€, Merfolks (with 3 Caverns) for 417.55€ , UW Control for 431.45€, basically all around 400€, so I can also start building a second Deck (so I can later play with friends that don't own Modern Decks). Which would be the better purchase, regarding performance/fun factor? Any other Decks around this price point (EU) that are better purchases?
(All prices were taken from the MagicCardMarket price trend)
It would be amazing if both Decks were very good against each other and/or they had different playstyles (so I could change betwen FNMs and never tire of them).

>>54659327

I would recommend downloading XPlay, building those decks, and then playing them out online. Give each deck, like, a week. Play loads of matches with them. That's the /only/ way you can tell if a deck hits you the right way or not before you blow your financial wad. Besides, the best time to buy cards is in the Fall/Winter, that's when prices are on the downswing.

>>54659401
I used to do that on XMage, but I don't know why, many times I loved to play a Deck Online, but in paper would be the opposite (Dredge on paper was the worst, every game felt like a chore, the oposite also happened). Regarding the prices, that doesn't happen too often in europe, some cards usually get cheaper on Fall/Winter, but other may get more expensive, so the price tends to balance out. Burn and UW Control have a very good price point at this time of the year, while Merfolks is definatively around 30€ more expensive than before. Also I end up having more time during the summer to play Modern, waiting until I have less time to save 20-50€ is not a very pleasent option for me.
Regardless, I had some experience with all this Decks before (UW Control I never played it, but I enjoy Control (used to Play UTron and loved it (but was aweful in the lgs meta back there (3 Merfolks)).
Out of this 3 Decks, probably Merfolks is the one I may dislike the most, but probably has a better shot in my meta, while being the easier Deck for my friends to play (begginers).

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>>54653237
I play mono white DnT religiously even before I could afford canopies. Add two smuggler's copters and find some more niche lands that fit your budget/meta, here are some good options imo.

Sea gate
scavenger grounds
hostile desert
mutavault (great with copters)
seftan dunes
eiganjo castle
windbrisk heights
flagstones
kabira crossroads

>>54659098
Delver wants a deck jammed with as much cheap interaction as possible along with super efficient threats. The card is really at home in tempo/aggro-control decks where the goal is to control the flow of the game until you can drop a threat, and then beat their face in while protecting said threat (usually with counter magic).

>>54659500

Well nobody here likes Burn, UW Control, or Merfolks. Most people who shitpost here don't even consider them real decks.

>>54659519

>we will never get a Thalia this cute

god fuck my life

>>54659715
I like burn and Merfolk.
They're my two favourite decks.

>>54659715
>>54659327
What about Titanshift (also around 400€)?

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>most merfolk decks are mono U
>some splash white for path
>a few green for CoCo
>I splash red for blood moons and bolts

>>54660143
>blood moon when you already have shit like spreading seas

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>>54660160
>not keeping spreading seas for the basics they manage to fetch before t3

>>54660222
What if they're playing Monoblue Merfolk?

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>>54657600
Did somebody mention KITHKIN?

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>>54660233
Side in artifact hate and make their mutavaults and caverns useless

>>54660270
give list

Could Sigarda's Gift be enough support to finally make an equipment modern deck work?

>>54660511
It excels against creature decks, because you now have the best combat tricks ever printed.

It doesn't do enough damage to race Combo or sneak under Control, though.

>>54660511
If they unban Stoneforge I would say yes. But knowing that they won't I would say no.

>>54660511
Well, was it? It's been a good while since the print already you know and people do tend to jump on new cards.

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>>54660743
>black is the undisputed best color in modern
>black can't deal with artifacts at all

I want to believe.
>instead WotC keeps making unplayable "fixed" pod/GSZ a la Evolutionary Leap and now Eldritch Evolution

>>54660808
Leap was a fixed Survival of the fittest, not GSZ
Evolution would be a great card if sacrificing a creature was part of it's effect and not its casting cost. But alas WotC can't do anything right.

>>54660866

Love how they were so scared of making evolution good. Can't even witness it back. Fucking pathetic.

>>54661040
Might be too good if you could ewit it back, free upgrade chain from dorks

>>54661111

And instead of taking a chance, they just make it complete trash for sure. Great design philosophy courtesy of wotc.

I wish there was some playable way of putting cards from hand on top of your deck. I want a Reason to Believe. I want to see Miracles.

>>54661385
Right now if Evolution gets countered you still have to sacrifice a dude. If it was part of the effect and not the cost your opponent would have to counter it before the effect starts to resolve.

>>54661415
Thanks for the answer but I was thinking of Evolutionary Leap when asking the question, my bad

MINOTAUR TRIBAL

W H E N?

>>54661548
Never outside kitchen table Therosbabby.

>>54660866
Admittedly, I'm more concerned by the inefficiency of EE than by risking a 2-for-1 if countered. Spending 1GG to trade up by two mana isn't great.
I'd rather
>trade up in mana
>or search for a creature
but combining the effect on one card forces them both to be individually weaker.

Alternatively, Wizards could use an equation based on differing mana costs for balance. I'd love EE if it you could spend low mana to search for equal costs, or more mana to trade up in mana with reduced search ability. Some kind of inverse ratio, but alas, Wizards only wants math in the statistics involved in deck structure.

T2 Viridian Emissary into a T3 Solemn Simulacrum is cute, but just too slow, both for getting creatures and ramping.

>>54661601
I dunno man, trading a Satyr Wayfinder for a Siege Rhino is pretty dank. Next turn flicker the rhino with Resto Angel. Suddenly we are reaching levels of value that shouldn't be possible.

>>54660866

Man, I wish Evolutionary Leap didn't put cards back in a random order. If it didn't, you could at least use it in token decks to stack your deck.

>>54661347

Miracles are cool, but if you had top or something playable like it you would have a modern Countertop deck. Which would be sweet. I liked that deck a lot.

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>>54661735
thats why you play crystal ball duh

>>54661661
It's always going to be deck building concerns with something like that. The theoretical 9-drop from EE saccing Gurmag doesn't actually pan out, because we need such a dumb structure to get Gurmag out early, to have EE in hand, and then to avoid drawing our 9-drop (or having a way to pitch it from hand).

It's the good old 8whack problem, where we theoretically have a strong deck, but the individual cards are bad and the whole thing falls apart to bad luck or good removal choices on our opponent's part.
EE just isn't efficient enough on its own to slot it into any old deck, and it cannot be made powerful or reliable enough on its own to have a deck built around it.

It has the same problem as Siege Rhino, really. Powerful alone, but in context of Modern as a format? There's nothing to run it.

>>54661685
Hmm, I think you figured out why

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>>54661787
That's an amazing replacement for top actually with additional upside of being able to bottom cards.

How's this for Brainstorm replacement?? Modern Miracles seems totally doable.

I finally got my last two scalding tarns! Now to save up for snapcasters...

>>54660511
Have you not seen/played Cheerios? If you don't like that I'd just whip up a shitty Boros deck with Weapons Trainer and other good <=2cmc creatures in red and white

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>>54661902
we gotta figure out what payoffs we are going to use though
im pretty sure this is criminally underplayed removal that we can use to buy more time to get to entreat

>>54661798
I have a really nice reanimator deck right now that is running rhino. Trying to find ways to make it better. I've been considering running Elesh Norn to make my matchup vs fast aggro better. Still no real way to beat Tron though

>>54661902
this isnt a brain storm replacement

the entire point of brain storm in miracles is to put back your miracle spells

>>54662522
I don't blame you for not picking irony since these threads have some real deal idorts but c'mon. Yes, Index is shit. Not THE SHIT, just shit.

kill yourself nick

>>54662559
Poe's Law

>>54662615
Modern Nic Fit when?

>>54662559
i didnt read all the way up the thread

i thought you were being serious

>>54654428
What do play when someone casts a Stony Silence?

>>54662615
hell ye

>>54662625
its not poe's law its a lack of reading comprehension

>>54662834
From what I've played, cry a little bit. Folds to rip also

>all these people on Xmage playing mill
>I'm playing Reanimator
>doesn't matter because mill can win on turn 4 now
lol fuck me

>>54663147
>mill can win on turn 4 now
what happened?

>>54663147
>mill
>legacy

The only bigger meme would be reanimator in modern unless it's griselhoard.

How's Gx Tron doing in the current meta? Haven't really paid attention to mdoern in the last few months and I want to jump back in with GB Tron

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>>54663270

I guess this

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>>54663346
I'm playing Modern you nerd
I know which thread I'm in

>>54663436
nice out of date client fag

>>54662834
Abrupt Decay/Golgari Charm

Either that or wait and hardcast a Wurmcoil Engine

>>54663346
>The only bigger meme would be reanimator in modern unless it's griselhoard.
is gifts reanimator?

>>54662955
Wish i could play KCI but many people at my LGS use stony

>>54662196
Just use fucking Terminus

>>54662276
Rhino is a shit target since it has little board impact, but Norn is strong as fuck. Some other good shit includes Grizzlebee, Jin-Gitaxias, Iona, maybe something that nukes artifacts. Can you post a list? I want to see what Modern has in terms of the reanimation suite.

>>54662522
Partially. It also gives you good emergency Counterbalance utility. What makes Index shit is that it's sorcery speed.

>>54663436
>only two thought sneeze
>best target is meme rhino
are you sure this is the list you meant to post?

>>54663533
>Just use fucking Terminus
http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1501709867049.pngJust read the rest of the conversation retard

>>54663436
this deck is more of a value deck than strict reanimation
looks interesting though

>>54663539
Its actually an outdated one, but it is more or less the same list I am currently running. Sideboard has changed tremendously.

>>54663566
True but saying Junk Value is a lot less interesting than Junk Reanimator. And seeing as it was based off the Reanimator lists from standard back in 2012, I figured I would keep the name.

>>54663602
Man, that's a trash fire that gets carried hard by BGx removal

>>54663557
Banishing Stroke is garbo. Anyways, that is one fucking jank reanimator list. You need more fast mana if your sole source of reanimation is Rites, and as >>54663566 said you're just running generic value instead of an actual reanimation suite. Another good reanimation target could be Terastodon to fuck Tron. The deck isn't fast enough to be real Reanimator and lacks the early game presence to be good Junk. If you want to convert that to real Reanimator, get fast mana and discard outlets as well as good bombs to replace a lot of the value junk. Sadly there isn't much reanimation tech in Modern, but you could maybe run Makeshift Marionette or some crap as an alternate in case you can't graveyard your Rites fast enough.

>>54663436

You need better reanimation targets. There's loads of better ones in Modern than just Thrag and Siege Rhino alone. Ones that will win the game outright in particular matchups like Elesh Norn, Griselbrand, Sigarda, Iona.

>>54663815
>Banishing Stroke is garbo
>he still hasnt read the rest of the conversation
can you be any more dense?

>>54664030
The conversation where anon revealed he was fucking with you, because Index is dogshit?

I don't know who is more retarded, you or Gaby Spartz.

>>54664030
You were discussing a Modern Miracles or CounterTop deck, and someone suggested Stroke as a means of stalling out, when Terminus is so much better. The sad reality is that Miracles will never be Modern viable since there is no instant speed draw on the level of Top that can be used for instant wipes and no filtering options as powerful as Brainstorm and Top for Counterbalance, so either route of the deck is fucking awful.

>>54664014
The thing is, I'm actually able to cast Swagtusk, Meme Rhino and Resto like >>54663566 said, its primarily a valuetown deck, Rites just allows the deck to out value midrange and control decks.

>>54653055
Late thread q
You can unban one card, but you must ban another card to take its place

What do you pick and why?

>>54664338
Eye of Ugin and Temple switcherooni.

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>>54664338
Stoneforge Mystic, Eldrazi Temple.

>>54664338
Unban Bloodbraid Elf
Ban Mox Opal

Hurts to even suggest banning Mox but it would sort of make sense since wizards doesn't seem to like fast mana/free mana.

>>54664338
Unban Preordain
Ban Thoghtseize

>>54664338
>what I'd do
Unban ponder
Ban street wraith

>what wizards would do
Unban ponder
Ban grapeshot
Ban empty the warrens
Ban dragonstorm
Ban epic experiment

>>54664466
id ban grapeshot and Empty the warrens
Fuck storm and the horse it rode in on

>>54664502
fuck you

>>54664502
Get fucked aggrobaby. Run some interaction next time.

>>54664338
Free Wasteland. Ban Life from the Loam.

>>54664162

Then i'd just abandon the rites plan and play stuff like Eternal Witness and some ramp dudes.

I mean arguably your overall deck construction isn't bad and I did play old Junk Reanimator in standard but you're just playing worse versions of existing Modern decks even if your deck isn't half bad. I mean you're like playing half reanimator-valuetown and half flickertown.

I mean you could play some Wall of Omens and Elvish Visionary to hold off against aggro that also ahve value if you flicker them and then play some spicy cards like Eerie Interlude to not just get more value but give you edge against board wipes(card is criminally underplayed against Tron decks, it beats All is Dust and Ugin) and cards like Eternal Witness and even try and put in Eldrazi Displacer if you want to play flickertown. Get some Kitchen Finks in this list too for the 3 cmc slot. I'd cut one Siege Rhino and put Thragtusk to two copies.

>>54664338

Unban Stoneforge Mystic
Ban Street Wraith

Personally I do not have a problem with Street Wraith but if I had to pick a card that would be it just to get Stoneforge off.

If Stoneforge was a dude, y'all wouldn't be all over her like this.

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>>54664338
>Ban Tron piece
>Unban Twin

There, I saved modern

>>54664880
All you need to do is unban Twin. Twin shits on Tron.

>>54664821
>Implying trap mystic wouldn't be even more popular

>>54664925
Wizards only acknowledges the existence of Trannies. Trannies are also replacing traps across the board.

>>54664925
>>54664821
>>54664880
heres an idea.

>boros armory deck
>makes use of stoneforge mystic and splintertwin to bring in equipment for other doods
>uses siguardias aid and open the armory for more equipment shanigans
>puresteel paladin

good idea? or just shit

>>54665034
Two of the cards you just listed are banned, and Steelshaper's Gift is strictly better than open the armory if you are looking for equpment

>>54665108
i know there banned, its just an idea of a deck i would make if i wanted to go about using it.

BTW what are some good equipment cards? asking for a friend

>>54665136
batterskull and Sword of Fire&Ice/Feast&Famine/ maybe Light&Shadow are the only ones worth a shit in modern

>>54665136
Batterskull
5 Swords of

>>54665136
Flayer Husk is underrated, but idk what top tier deck would make use of it. Loxodon War Hammer is good on the kitchen table.

>>54665136
Umezawa's Jitte, if we're using banned cards.

>>54665136

Batterskull and Swords of X and Y.

>>54664821
>I can't evaluate cards in this game based on their powerlevel!
>I'm a very shallow, visual and easily influencable person!
>I'm new to this site!

>>54665034
Just shit. Why play Twin at all there? Wouldn't do that much for 4 mana with all the downsides of auras and zero of the synergies with the rest of the hypothetical RW equipment deck that probably would want to be low curve anyways.

>>54664338

Unban Twin
Ban Chalice

Every deck should have a couple bad matchups, and right now Tron only loses to Affinity, everything else is even or favored

Ban Chalice
That card is aids.

Is woogerworks on xmage down?

>>54666290
>>54666290
>>54666290
Anyone?

>>54666535
>xmage
Fuck off, use cockatrice it's miles better

>>54666633
It isn't but keep using the shitty no rules BR infested program called cuckatrice faggot.

>>54666666
BASED

>>54666666
>Double satan
nice

>>54666290
Not at the moment no. I'm playing a match right now

>>54666766
I dont get it, i was playing on it just fine earlier and now it says my password and email are wrong

>>54666815
Did you not verify your email properly when you first started? If you don't do it properly they delete your username after a few weeks.

>>54666849
I only get an email that says

You are successfully registered as abc. Your initial, generated password is: xyz

>>54666666
Right, because you can't remember how the rules work

>>54666926
I can remember the rules just fine but having played on the dumpster fire known as cockatrice, a good portion of people don't know things beyond basic interaction and will quit because you're ""cheating"". This is't even going into the people who don't know the basic rules on cockatrice either. Face it, there is literally 0 reaons to not use an automated program like Mtgo or Xmage over Cockatrice.


Also here's a thread poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/13609133

>>54667048
mtgo if you have money to burn > xmage > mtgo if you don't have money to burn > cockatrice

automation is always better than not, mtgo's payout system is really rewarding when you've spent the time to buy into it, and even without significant money it's enjoyable to do things like pauper or their various cubes.

>>54667048
I mean, if you think that you'll get any reasonable practice from the rando chucklefucks on either, you're wrong. I only test with people I know are good, and Cockatrice gives the best flexibility

>>54667160
>not proxying up decks and dishing it out over a few beers with your best bud to test shit out
online is for when you're lazy/bored and just want to have a few games of magic.

>>54667251
Proxying is such a pain in the ass, takes way too long to sleeve and unsleeve cards.

>>54667160
I never said anything about using either to practice or test retard, just using them to play magic and in that regard Xmage is better.

>have Storm built but still just want to play shit-brews
Jank is just my fetish.

so i can connect to xmage.de but not woogersworks

this is so lame

>>54667311
Put a paper note into sleeves of whatever decks. Only properly proxy stuff like cube or vintage.

>>54667470
try another server?

>>54667731
i did

i can play on the german server which is xmage.de but i cant connect to woogerworks which is the na server

>>54667791
Think the server is down. I can't connect either.

>>54667812
well at least its not just me

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so im playing a mono-red gobbos deck
would this be a good sideboard for a big event?
Is Grafdiggers even good anymore?

>>54668309
Dredge is not Tier 1. You should be ready for GDS, eTron, and Affinity. Beyond that, what ever you don't like/your deck is weak to.

>>54668309
For your deck I'd probably just go all tormods desu. Reasoning being you should be closing out games vs those decks before they have a chance to go off twice. Dragons claw is strong versus burn, probably worth risking a longer game vs mill and conceding a bad match to mill than underprep for burn, a super common deck.

I have all the pieces for landfall naya zoo, but I also can run a ton of different shit for this fnm tomorrow. I rarely go to events, so I'm thinking I should run a better variant like standard zoo (less fun). I really like my list, but I also want to do well, and this list does not draw too amazingly from what I'm testing.

>>54668309
Play Relic over Crypt, it's almost as good at being hard hate and also way better against GDS and BGx plus it cantrips. A cage also wouldn't be bad as goblins is weak to company. Claw over Elixir for sure, it gains more life and doesn't lose to Skullcrack. Consider 1-2 Shattering Spree over Smashes, damage loss is relevant but it's much better when you need to destroy artifacts and also kills Chalice. Finally, play Searing Blood over Blaze if you don't have fetchlands in the main.

I came 2nd out of 13 in my LGS's weekly Modern event yesterday with Ponza. Made it through the first 3 rounds without a single mulligan, then in the last round came up against my actual worst matchup in Counters Company. Like it isn't even worth trying to sideboard in that matchup it's just so bad.

>>54655020
Man, WoTC wastes so much awesome art on unplayable chaff.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-08-17-mono-green/
R8 me please. I haven't touched magic in a while now, over a year it feels like. This is a deck I put together a while ago and was wondering if anything new has come out to replace what I have or make it better.

>>54668932
Then gives us trash art for a purpose-built eternal staple like Push.
>looks okay to me
It's a mess of colors from across the table, and if you're holding it taking a good look, the poses are weak and the perspective unflattering.
There's definitely been better art recently, on reprints and reissues too.

>Me and some friends started playing at our local modern recently
>started rebuilding a bunch of my old kitchen table decks to be modern
>next project is to rebuild my Myr BS deck into a tron deck since can't in good faith play Tinker anymore even casually
My question is: I decide to build Tron, is it even worth trying to keep my BS theme or am I just wasting time gimping myself if I'm going to go full tron?

>>54669637
What Tron are we building?
GB gets a stellar removal suite and Ancient Stirrings.
Eldrazi Tron can (can) land a T2 Thoughtknot Seer into T3 Reality Smasher.

>>54669757
Mostly tron with enough U/W for etherium, canonist and Transmuter for infinites

>>54669457
Prowling Serpopard is decent for sideboard
Blossoming Defense might be better than Vines
Collected Company should be considered

>>54669757
U Tron

I heard it's the best.

>>54670230
I like blossoming def. That seems good, snake cat seems like a decent 3 of though I don't know what to cut. CoCo I feel is to high of a mana cost. I do see why it's good though, in your opinion what would you cut for it

>>54670230
>27 creatures with only 21 mana sources
>CoCo
Too high curve and his deck would need considerable adjustment to make it good considering he'd be casting it t4 at the earliest if he can cast it at all. Not even going into how the deck doesn't really even abuse CoCo like Elves, Counters company, Bant spirits etc do.

>>54670654
>snake cat seems like a decent 3 of though I don't know what to cut.
Seems like you have a lot of artifact hate. You could cut down on that bigtime.
>cut for CoCo
There's more to it than that. CoCo changes the entire deck. I'd swap your sideboard artifact hate for Rec Sages for example. I haven't played Green Devotion Stompy myself, so I can't even say whether it's worth it at all.

>>54670754
I'm aware it'd take more building around than just plopping it in. Yeah, I'd include at least a playset of dorks alongside it. I just noticed that anon barely had anything higher than CMC 3. Plus CoCo is fantastic for when you're holding vines/blossoming and don't want to overextend into a boardwipe.

I want to get into Magic. I don't want to play using physical cards. What should I do?

>>54670958
Well I can probably cut oxidize. The wipe kneecaps affinity and unravel takes care of wormcoil without making tokens. People are still playing coil right?

Rec sage is real good but not in this deck. If I cut a 3 for a 3 I'm cutting something that hits evo on all experiments even after other buffs and adds 3 devotion for the aspect.

Most of the time I'm honestly not worried about guys dying with the strangleroots and all. I do see what you mean though.

>>54671483
In addition if a few guys dies it food for the scooooze train. I remember winning more than a few games off getting life from the ooze and in process making a large threat

>>54671483
>Rec sage is real good but not in this deck. If I cut a 3 for a 3
I wasn't suggesting that you cut the baloths... I was suggesting cutting the artifact-hate cards in your sideboard (instant/sorceries which don't contribute to devotion) for the rec sages, and only if you wanted to turn it into a CoCo deck.
Mind you, Rec Sage is arguably better than those cards even without CoCo.

Another sideboard recommendation: Kitchen Finks. Great for the burn or jund matchup.

>>54671694
Oh and also Militant is a bit of a nonbo with Scooze. I'd cut the militants for some dorks.

>>54671724
How is it a nonbo? Militant only exiles instants and sorceries while leaving creatures which Scooze wants.

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>>54653055
If pic related were Unbanned, how does Modern cope with him?

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>>54672188

>>54672188
Nothing changes. Maybe some decks get a fresh tool but for the most part he's not a 4-copy card.

It's been said a million times, but if he got unbanned his price would go through the roof, which is the only reason why he's still not unbanned. Everyone knows he'll have very little impact but if he was unbanned there are always some dipshits out there who will get angry at the price of the card instead of pointing the finger at Wizards for not printing cards into oblivion.

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>>54672188
Regular Boil is also available to use, and Choke too, there are a lot of ways to shut blue cards down.

>>54671386
Install Xmage and play on there

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>>54672294
This is legal too so if your lands aren't Islands, they aren't necessarily safe from being Boiled alive

>>54668868
There are 2 people in my lgs with counters company or similar, my ponza lists now run 2 bolts main and 2 on the side because of them, you really can't afford not to interact unless your deck is affinity or something sonic fast like that these days.

>>54653786
Ponza for winning against the first two and losing to the last one.

>>54671386
Spend 50-250 bucks in a deck and play matches worth "something" on mtgo client or use Xmage where everything is free and most players are bad or just doesn't care how the match ends

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>>54672482
I second this Ponza recommendation, nothing beats hitting a tron player with a Molten Rain or a Blood Moon.

Blood Moon alone forces so many concedes on Magic online its not even funny.

This card absolutely hoses people into the dirt and drowns them with so much oppressive enchantment-based power its unreal. The urza lands deserve to be permanently disabled so that karn's silver cock can never molest a single innocent soul ever again.

>>54672470
I'm going to GP Birmingham with it and just hoping that I don't face it. Otherwise I'd just put Cages in my board.

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>>54672526
doesn't seem that useful unless there's another cage you mean

>>54671918
Not nonbo, my bad, thought scooze got bigger off anything. It still feels like overlapping utility though. Scooze can get rid of Snapcaster targets and delve fuel, which is basically all that militant does.
That said, militant does evolve experiment for 1 mana.

>>54660270
When will this awful meme die?

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>>54672558
No matter what kind of Cage >>54672526 meant, it will be torn apart by my favourite card, Kessig Cagebreakers.

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Is this the best combo in Modern?

Remember: a combo is at least 3 cards.

>>54673288
>combo is at least 3 cards
never change, /tg/.

>>54673288
>Tronlands are a combo
I'm not even sure it can be called "synergy" since they literally mention each other

>>54673288
>Remember: a combo is at least 3 cards.
Wrong.
Scapeshift and Gifts Ungiven are one card + deckbuilding cost comboes.

>>54672558
M8 you know it shuts off Company and Chord right?

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>>54673562
>scapeshift and gifts ungiven
These two don't even interact at all, how is this a combo?

>>54672294

What happens if you drop this when your opponent has prismatic omen

>>54673288
Gods, I love this meme.

chek'd

>>54674229
SCAPESHIFT
Is a one card combo.

GIFTS UNGIVEN
Is another one card combo.

Welcome to modern.

>>54673461
Is exodia considered a combo? Tron doesn't even win the game, it allows you to play cards that might win the game eventually

>>54674247
All of their lands are destroyed because they count as Islands.

>>54654363

>Erayo

Motherfucker

How did I never think of that

>>54674269
Don't you think that's a little disingenuous? Scapeshift allows you to get stuff like Valakut and multiple other mountains. Gifts lets you get a package of cards, like Ritual, Ritual, Manamorphose, Past in Flames or a reanimator pachage, which are your combo pieces. They're not really "One Card Combos", but they do enable those combos.

>>54666926
Even if you remember the rules just fine that won't stop you from playing against monkeys who think you can snapcaster ancestral vision or who doesn't know tec edging him to 5 mountains counters valakut

Fuck cuckatrice

>>54674406
Who's being disingenuous here? If you read the previous post it just seems you keep picking half my point.

Semantics aside, functionally a tutor that finds and/or plays both/all pieces are one card comboes WITH deckbuilding cost.

>>54674710
Not him, but real quick, what is your definition of "combo?"
I'm trying to understand your angle here.

I've been playing around with the mono black car deck from the chanellfireball budget section. It's really fun and almost feels conpetitive. Mana base is 20 swamps, but i feel like utility lands could work. Thinking about adding blinkmoth nexus for the easy crew 1. Not sure about ghostquarter.
Any ideas for cards i could add?

>>54674340
Not the 5 cards
But there's combo to help you out the 5 cards in your hand
In that case, Exodia isn't the combo, it's the objective

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>>54674784
Who knows.
What's relevant for the discussion at hand I'd say Gifts Reanimator and Scapeshift classify as combo.

>>54664127
>>54664140
>thats why you play crystal ball duh
def being serious right there
holy shit guys

>>54675167
Crystal Ball is literally /Our Guy/

>>54675422
>Crystal Ball is literally /Our Guy/
im listening

Do you think if crystal ball costed 2 to cast instead it would see competitive play?

>Crystal Ball killed the thread
Most certainly not "our guy"

>>54674819
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-84-50-tix-mono-black-vehicles-modern

Whoops, i meant mtg goldfish. So thats the deck i'm talking about. Would land destruction with ghost quarter make sense here? And if i'm adding utility lands and manlands, how many colorless producer are too many for a mono colored manabase?

does helm of awakening mean i only have to pay 3 to get chalice on 2

>>54677644

Yes. If you say X is 2 for Chalice it means you have to pay 4. If me presume both X's as Xa and Xb it will be 2 and 2 normally requiring you to pay 4 but the Helm will reduce one of those by 1 so it will be 1 and 2 respectively for both X's in Chalice of the Void. The total required to pay ends up as 3.

>>54653055
I miss when this was playable. When will Modern slow down?

>>54678186
When Death's Shadow stops being a thing. Either it gets banned, it falls out of favor somehow, or it stays around and you're stuck with it forever.

>>54678186

It is still playable, it's just nobody plays Jund variants of Death's Shadow or traditional Jund itself anymore.

>>54678400
death's shadow isn't what's keeping modern fast.

>>54678501
Then what is keeping Modern fast?

>>54678547
Eldrazi Tron

>>54678547

0 mana and 1 mana creatures. Alternatively Eldrazi Temples.

>>54678547
I saw turn 5 Karn, then Reality Smasher vs UW Control.

>>54678547
every fucking deck in the format? are you serious?

burn, eldrazi tron, and combo decks like storm/ad nauseam don't ring a bell for you?

fucking titan shift?!?!!?!?

>>54678620
>>54678639
Okay. I don't want to sound like an idiot, but I've been unable to follow Modern for the last few months and I genuinely want to understand. How exactly is Eldrazi Tron forcing a faster meta?

is Karn played anywhere besides Modern? Curious as too why he's so expensive

>>54678702

So there's two types of colourless Eldrazi decks. There's Eldrazi Tron and I guess Eldrazi Stompy.

Eldrazi Tron is playing the Urzatron lands for super value and then casting big threats like Endbringer, maybe All is Dust and even Karn or Ugin. However the OTHER Eldrazi deck is much faster because they're cheating on mana on turn 0 by playing Gemstone Caverns and Serum Powders allowing them to exile Eternal Scourges to cast later. This version of Eldrazi is more akin to the old Eldrazi decks during Eldrazi winter and is generally faster. It's not Eldrazi Tron because it doesn't play Tron lands though.

>>54678762

Quite a few decks actually.

>>54678547
Tron isn't really doing it by being fast, but by slaughtering all the slow decks.

>>54678762
Basically modern and edh. Maybe some fringe legacy, I'm not caught up on what 12post looks like nowadays.

>>54678869
So, I'm not seeing this Eldrazi Stompy deck you're talking about. Has it put up any results that I'm just not seeing? Do you have a link?

>>54678965
Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong. ETron, by having a combination of incredibly strong threats and late game power, is pushing out pretty much any deck slower than it. Players have responded by playing faster decks in order to compete and in doing so, set a faster clock than Burn (which generally sets the standard pace of the format). I've never been very good at metagame analysis, but I think thats the gist of it.

>>54679221
Here's the Eldrazi Stompy list and a report. The deck is basically Eldrazi Winter stuff minus Eye.
http://modernnexus.com/contorting-competition-scg-invitational-report/

And yeah, kinda. I wouldn't say that the clock is getting set faster than burn, but anything that resembles control is getting pushed out of the format. So anything that's typically good against those strategies, like Huntmaster, can't perform well because the matchups they're good in don't show up as often.

>>54679221
>ETron, by having a combination of incredibly strong threats and late game power, is pushing out pretty much any deck slower than it.
Correct, but this also extends to Gx Tron too but that's kind of dead right now. The real problem with this however is it keeps other decks that prey on stuff like DS effectively out of the format and Etron can still win against the fast decks unlike Gx Tron due to stuff like chalice. The DS decks and Etron compliment each other in the metagame which has warped a meta which otherwise would have been fine. Wizards just needs to rip the band aid off and ban something from Tron decks or print some very strong hate but neither of those things will happen.

>>54679350
>His losses were Standard and sleeping through round 9

>>54665034
>siguardias
>shanigans

oh lordy i am laughin

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Why the fuck is this banned
>play it turn 2
>equip turn 3
>opponent pushes/paths your creature
>you just wasted 4 mana on nothing
Also no Stoneforge to fetch it up, its Legendary so multiples are dead in hand. It should be unbanned, its the fairest card on the list

>>54672188
uw tier 1 forever and always
plz

>>54680982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL6cJPz3Nk

>>54680982
Your opponent has a Signalpest, Ornithopter, Vault Skirge, Springleaf Drum, Arcbound Ravager, 2 Darksteel Citadels, a Cranial Plating, and a Jitte on 2 counters. Go ahead do the combat maths.

>>54681750
>Oh no, magic is hard
Jitte is banned because it's busted, not because it creates complex boardstates

>>54681814
I know that, but it would be at its most busted in Affinity by a mile.

>>54681837
Maybe, but I'd say it would make the biggest improvement to Death and Taxes, or maybe some Abzan build with Flayer and Souls

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>>54654363
Reporting in

>Playing
Titan Shift. The most fun I've ever had.
>Hate
Post-board games. Not like the blood moon or leyline, whine like a bitch games. Just my inability to properly sideboard against different matchups.
>Brewing
I'm trying out Hour of Promise in Titan Shift. Another Prime Time Trigger seems pretty great.

>>54673288
No, it's Angel of Condemnation + Call For Unity + Thicket Elemental

is modern death and taxes any good?

>>54682083
It reminds me a lot of Merfolk. It's a pile of shit cards but somehow people win with it enough for it to be considered a deck.

>>54681926
Let them print a new card then that Affinity cannot use. Jitte is on the short list of cards banned by name when Modern was created. As far as I can remember, only Sword of the Meek has come off that list without causing trouble.

>>54682623
>only Sword of the Meek has come off that list without causing trouble
Sure, besides Valakut, Wild Nacatl, Bitterblossom LOL, Ancestral Visions, and Grave Troll until Wizards decided to break at a later date through incompetence.

So basically every single card they unbanned came off with zero issues whatsoever. It took 2 fucking years to re-ban Grave Troll so don't give me any of that "HURR IT WAS BUSTED WHEN IT WAS UNBANNED" shite.

>>54680982

It's banned because whoever swings with it first wins all future combat steps.

>>54682623
Never said they should unban Jitte, it would be one of the last off in my opinion

>>54682716

To be fair, Wild Nacatl wasn't originally on the initial banlist. They added it on later and then removed it later.

>>54682849
And now a 3/3 for 1 mana is unplayable.

>4 out of 5 wins with mill
>even beat burn
Is it finally time?

>>54682876
Yeah, time to start sideboarding against mill again.

>>54682855
EtB and cost-reduction effects are too strong.

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>>54682876
Seth, we know it's you. Stop shitposting and go play a real deck.

>>54682855

The initial reason for banning it was dumb anyway. They also need to unban GSZ as well anyway.

"The DCI hopes that banning Green Sun's Zenith increases diversity among Modern green decks." Now you're either playing Scapeshift or CoCo for every green deck.

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Please don't bolt the bird.dec

>>54683095
>Now you're either playing Scapeshift or CoCo for every green deck.
Wow, kinda stinged to post >>54683097 right after your post.

>>54682896
>>54683017
Stay mad burn babbies

>>54683097
Probably a couple too many dorks, and 4 temple garden is overkill, play some Razorverge Thicket. Maybe a Wildwood or two would be good.

>>54683114

Don't be, CoCo is a good card. I play CoCo decks like Elves as well and they're pretty much the best cards in heavy green decks.

>>54683095
>They also need to unban GSZ as well anyway.
I really hope they don't
Elves is already stupidly consistent against everything that isn't UWx control

>>54683097
So is this some sort of weird Modern Maverick or something?

what do you guys think about death and taxes in current meta

>>54683314
>>54683314
New bread

>>54683241

GSZ won't make Modern Elves better against its already worst matchups and anyway Modern is a more removal heavy format compared to Legacy and Modern Elves is lacking all the goodstuff like Wirewood, Cradle, Natural Order, Glimpse etc. But apparently fetching Gaddock Teeg for x = 2 is too good though for WotC.