Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Iron Cage was retconned

Second for /tg/ is totally gay

Third for the perfect legion

>>54639395
You know damn well what I meant when I said psychic, Carnac.

>Guilliman lacked the PSYCHIC POTENTIAL that His father had granted to SEVERAL OF HIS BROTHERS, but hwe was a child of the Emperor's making, and he ws sensitive to psychic energies of which a true non-psyker would be ignored.

>true non-psyker

And if you were English speaking, you'd know that for all intents and purposes, he is a non-psyker, he is not a pysker as we know it. He is sensitive to psychic shit, but he is not a pysker. He cannot cast spells.

Rank the Dreadnought frames by appearance.

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>>54639423
This is what really happened

Oh god Carnac is here is he? I'm out, let you fucks argue with the autistic shitposter.

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Tankred

>>54639435
Contemptor
Vulnerable
Leviathan
Boxnought
Obese man
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Redemptor

>>54639435
Tankred > All other dreadnaughts

Any grey knights leak? Any White Dwarf scan/pdf available?

>>54639447
you realise that includes you right?

>>54639445
nah, fuck it
Move the boxnought above the leviathan

>>54639447
We're at least 6 reichs in by now

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Xth? for Chaos!

>>54639439
Not anymore

It was an equal fight, when Perty ran like a coward once Guilliman arrived

>>54639451
Nothing. Why would there be leaks? It's a general codex. The only new thing is Grandmasters can get in Dreadknights now.

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>>54639457
Kaaaayooozzz!!

>>54639459
We are expecting four new datasheets. One is the dreadknight hq.

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>>54639431
my nigga

Face hard facts cucks

>Ultramarines are the most superior and purest chapter
>Primaris are the best marines and puny manlets are going to be phased out by 9th edition
>8th is the best edition of the game ever made and the best and most popular wargame in existence
>Chaos will always be the losers as they're an NPC race for edgelords and can't ever match the skill and strength of the Imperium in either the fluff or on the tabletop (as Landor campaign is proving)
>Anything you can do marines can do better, that's why marines now get superior crisis suits , terror squads, psykers and even monstrous creatures than the other NPC races.

>>54639473
>trying this hard

>>54639458
So basically Perty is Corax-tier. And Dorn is Lorgar-tier.

>>54639435
Deredere Dreadnought
Contempt Dreadnought
Leviathan Dreadnought
Venerable Dreadnought
Ironclad Dreadnought
Vanilla Dreadnought
Beergut Dreadnought

>>54639432
>And if you were English speaking, you'd know that for all intents and purposes, he is a non-psyker
Comeon man it says the exact opposite of that. Learn to grammer.
>if he was a true non-psyker he would be ignorant to psychic energies but he was a child of the Emperor's making

And calling Carnac because someone doesn't think your husbando is number 1? Lol. Horus was the best and most liked Primarch and that was entire point of his character. It why his betrayal was tragic and why the Heresy was actually a problem.

Why shouldn't I use C:SM to run Alpha Legion? I don't want any of the specifically Chaos stuff that C:CSM brings, and Alpha Legion gameplay is far closer to loyalists than it is to traitors.

>>54639489
Emps didint love any of the primarchs sadly.

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>>54639473
>Ultramarines are the most superior and purest chapter
All chapters will be pure soon.
All hail Primaris!
All hail Gorillaman!
All hail Cawl.
[Spoiler]Initiate order 66 mfw

>>54639473
Doesn't stop Space Marines from continuing to be completely irrelevant on a galactic scale, though. One million troops could conceivably hold one planet tops. I will be chilling with my Admech along with all the Guard, Nids, Orks and other factions that have an actual impact on the universe outside of propaganda and the odd surgical strike that would have worked fine had you just teleported in bombs instead of men, thanks.

>>54639492
Do it my man if you paint them up I'm sure no one will give a hoot. Their new rules might reflect that though.

>>54639473
>The Grey Knights are the most secretive and the most powerful of all the Space Marine Chapters
Get cucked smurfs

>>54639473
>Every legion has specific strengths and weaknesses
>Guilliman gets in charge and forces them all to be organized and act like his legion
>10,000 years later
>OMG ULTRAS ARE SO GOOD BECAUSE THEY"RE THE BEST AT BEING ULTRAMARINES
Surprising stuff.

>>54639445

High Tier: Mark V Castaferrum, Contemptor, Deredeo, Leviathan

Mid Tier: Mark IV Castaferrum, Space Crusade Dreadnought

Peanut Tier: Rogue Trader Dreadnought

Shit Tier: Redemptor

>>54639502
>He didnt read MoM and just believed the memes
kys

>>54639510
I want it so bad this story line would be tight. Especially with them revealing that he basically has primaris tomb worlds he's running around opening up. Order 66 is gonna be niiiice.

>>54639492
Just run them as ultrasmurfs since Gulliman is Alpharius

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Any Guard or GSC fags know how sentinels perform this edition?

I kind of want to integrate them into my CSM army for fluff reasons but not sure if it's worth bringing them to the table if they're particularly shit

>>54639531
I read dark imperium where it's spelled out in plain English bruh.

>>54639531
> Butt blasted power of friendship imperial.

>>54639544
Meh/10
Used to be walking heavy weapon platforms but since moving with heavy weapons isn't as such of a big deal and they still suffer -1 they are kinda disappointing.

>>54639458
>How to sell more Robo box sets

The sooner everyone realizes that the lore is all bullshit that they can change at any time, the better.

>>54639546
>Girlymans daddy issue opinions are facts
Pleaserino just stop

>>54639544

The main ones to watch out for now are scout sentinels with flamers and power loader sentinels.

>>54639544
Well, they are probably going to be one shot a whole lot less maybe.
Iunno, they're cheap, so load up a few scout sentinels with heavy flamers and torch a squad.

>>54639512
100 space marines is equivalent to 1000 of any other troop so that's closer to ten million marines.

Now factor in the fact that Ultramarines are at least twice as superior as any other marine and are effectively being seeded into every chapter to eventually replace them and you're looking at twenty million effective marines. More than enough to defend the galaxy alone let alone with the support of other Imperial forces like Guard and Sisters ( because Batman needs a robin and a Catwoman)

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This is Konor News.

With 1 day and 20 hours to go, it is indeed looking like an Imperium win is inevitable.

The Imperium still holds everything. It looks like that is how it will go. Hopefully the next stage will be different but I have no real expectations that that will change.

That's your news update from your secret heretics at Konor News.

>>54639558
Didint he realize that the Emperor regarded them all as tools and that he felt the same about Crawls unholy hordes?

>>54639443
<3

>>54639582
You know 20 million soldiers is still fuck all? Six BILLION Skitarii is about average to throw at a few solar systems, there's a Forge World in Gaunts Ghosts called Fortis Binary with a billion heretek cultists occupying it and two billion Guardsmen fighting to drive them out. Even if there WAS 20 million Marines they'd still do basically fuck all. If they were all at Cadia, maybe, or in some massed battle, but not split up into fragments barely big enough to deal with Space Hulks.

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>>54639585
>>54639585
Thanks Mr. Oliver and Mr.Monster! In other news the price for info on the whereabouts of the Yannari leaders has doubled. Later are the ultra marines in collusion with the hated race traitor Yannari? More at Eleven.

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>>54639582

>>54639574
>>54639580
>>54639553
Cheers guys I think if I do end up running them it'll probably have to be heavy flamers then. You'd think that the armoured ones at least would have some sort of PotMS style rule with gyroscopic stabilisers being in their lore and everything

>>54639589

he came to that realization, but that doesnt make it objective fact, it makes it his opinion.

>>54639512
You know they act as strike forces doing decapitation strikes whilst the PDF and imperial guard hold the line

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>>54639638
DIS IZ KONORK NEWS.

WE'Z KRUMPED A BUNCHA GITZ. SUM WOZ SPIKY, SUM WOZ BLUE, AN' SUM WOZ OVVA ORKS.

DA END.

>>54639546
>10,000 years of torture
>Son finally comes along
>OMG WHY SO RUDE
Fucking Guilliman

>>54639644
>He cares about lore inconsistency
Space Marines can eat brains to absorb memories

>>54639589
Point is it's all based on girlymans assumptions where as in other literature it's clearly stated that Emps cares for his primies.

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>people insisted that Matt Ward's Ultrawank would be curtailed due to the new management

>>54639689
It's not really the same kind of ultrawank though.

>>54639644

>Cherry picking the most extreme

K

Anyhow even 1 million captain Americas in flightless iron man suits aren't gonna have much effect on a galactic scale.

>>54639686
The Emperor should care for the primarchs, if only because of all the time, effort and resources it took to create them.

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>>54639635
You're not wrong, but this is a product of game and lore not lining up.

Read the first story in Brothers of the Snake. That is what true space marines should be. The fact that 50 marines on the battlefield can be wiped out by 100 guardsmen isn't indicative of their actual power, it's just convention game mechanisms.

1 marine should be able to kill 1000 guardsmen without issue and before you do the math remember that marines are no longer the trench fighting first line they're designed for high priority and precision tactical attacks in larger engagements.

It's a shame there's such a disconnect. Because
>One is usually sufficient

>>54639582
You need to understand the scale of wars a little. For example 5,000,000 Germans died in Russia. That's just deaths.

If earth is capable of putting 40+ million men under arms in a single war what do you think even 1 million space marines would do to a galaxy?

Shit if you reflect the tabletop and assume a ww2 mg is roughly equivalent to a autogun you could drop a space marine chapter into ww2 and they would hardly be noticed.

The Guard the Admech and the Navy are the only significant military forces in the Imperium of man.

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>>54639585
>>54639638
>>54639677

---HYDRA DOMINATUS---

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>>54639439
not anymore

Do I want fragstorms or stormbolters on my Redemptor?

> Be me
> Have huge amounts of converted models
> Too afraid to paint them for fucking them up
> Try to paint a couple of guys every month or so
> Takes hours to do something that would take normal people fifteen minutes
> Do base + wash and feel good about myself
> Go to layer
> Thinks it looks shit
> Revert to drybrush
> Looks worst
> Strip model
> Feels bad
Any tips? I don't want to commission because I like the idea of painting (but not actually doing it).

>>54639669
>>54639710

This is always the response. For one thing, decap strikes aren't magically going to disband the enemy army unless they're a cultist rabble, chain of command is a thing.

Also, why the hell do you need Space Marines for those? You can teleport things, just use that to drop bombs on their heads or even a team of Thallax or Scions. It's not like you need a thousand men's worth of genemods and power armour to shoot one fat Lord General in a chair and a couple guardsmen. Sure, they're good at what they do, but certainly not good enough to warrant their stupid expense and unique wargear like Centurion Suits and tanks that won't be used in surgical strikes. If that's their only way to be effective, why are all Marines not jump pack or Termie Armour for max Deep Strike capability?

Yes, you can use Loremarines to do some pretty ludicrous things, but they still die if you shoot them with a plasma gun or lascannon, as even that little Greatest Hits pile says. Castellax and Kastelans rip them up, Ruststalkers kill CSM Terminators in their first appearance. The odd occasion where they butcher their way through thousands of infantry doesn't really line up with all their own depiction in the vast majority of other lore, which has them being killed by things worth far less than them since their costs are also insane.
Quite frankly, you don't need their skills for their job and their skills are insufficient for any other job. Spend the money on more Navy ships and install teleportariums in some of the armouries.

>>54639745
frag

>>54639635
You are conflating lore with the actual game. Mrines die like flies in the game, but in the lore it's seriously difficult to bring one down. In the game you set up obvious battle lines and then maneuver your shit, but in the lore marines execute surgical strikes deep in enemy territory in order to seriously fuck up supply lines, chains of command, essentially they remove key tactical and strategic objectives. An army of 1k marines can dish out enough destruction and chaos that an army of billions doesn't really matter.

If ever a marine army is "Chapter strength" there's serious shit going down and the enemy is about to get ripped a new one. Marines don't typycally fight in traditional theatres of war and if they ever do there's more than one chapter involved.

Think about Armageddon. The Space Wolves didn't march up to a Hive City and destroy the front door to fight their way up the spires. They were inserted in the Hive proper while the Guard and PDF armies kept the bulk of the heretics occupied.

>>54639747
Always habe a trial model where you can experiment with techniques and color scheme

>>54639700
Because the big threats aren't that common

>>54639745
Stormbolters. Better range, guaranteed amount of shots (4 at short ranges like that of the fragstorms) and cost half the points.

How good are the Possessed models? Looking at the sprues I might run them without wings.

They seem fast at 7", will probably get disgustingly resilient and seem to just be quite thematic.

Plus their advance would be more reliable with a noxious blightbringer, who also buffs poxwalkers, giving me a decent melee horde.

>>54639765
Yeah, the couple of models I said I paint? They're the test models.

>>54639747
Just keep doing layers and keep painting models.
Once you've done em all you'll probably be a better painter and you might go back to any old paintjobs and redo them if you feel like you must.

>>54639423
>>54639439
you do know the Iron Cage always had two different versions to it, right? That's the one from the IW index astartes.

The IF index astartes goes in the other direction
>Without his customary caution and planning, Dorn led his men into the heart of the Iron Warrior defences. The battle should have favoured the treacherous trench-fighters, but the Imperial Fists endured. They countered every ambush and fought their way out of every trap. Rogal Dorn was a colossus who personally turned back attack after attack. Ammunition expended, Brothers fought in half-flooded trenches with combat knives, giving and expecting no quarter. Eventually it became apparent that the Iron Warriors could not finish them. For all their skill and ferocity, the Iron Warriors lacked the faith to make the ultimate sacrifice that victory demanded. While they paused, the Ultramarines intervened; Guilliman had decided that Perturabo's destruction was not worth the loss of Rogal Dorn and had brought his Chapter to drive off the Iron Warriors.

Codex space marines will obviously follow the IF's version of the story. Codex chaos space marines will undoubtedly have the IW version. The whole point of the fucking story is that both sides thought they had the advantage over the other, when in reality it was just a plain old stalemate.

What's the deal with all the Necron HQs being sold out on GWs website? The only one that's not sold out is the Catacomb Comand Barge.

>>54639751

>just use that to drop bombs on their heads or even a team of Thallax or Scions.

Teleport 5 Ursarax in, they're like cyborg jump-Eversors with twin claws/fists and chest mounted death rays.

>>54639728
I dunno, how would the second world war have gone if 10 Marines were drop podded onto the Furerbunker in 1939?

>>54639782
New edition is more popular than GW predicted

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>>54639774
Use the FW ones, worth every penny

>>54639789

How much more popular.

should I consider putting my chinacast models on GW bases?
unlike GW bases the chinks send me these a bit thicker bases that are pretty bendy

>tfw Chaplin dread doesnt even need dual fists
Welp, what should I put on him?

>>54639751
>thallax
Should be kept in 30k
>scions
Because they're still men whereas space marines can heal wounds in seconds
>not all that
Because during the crusade they used that way and the codex astartes is how Guilliman thought crusade war should be perfected

>>54639777
The problem is that I get so depressed once I've done one and can't bring myself to paint again for weeks. It hasn't always been like this, hell once I could knock out a unit in a week and feel really good about it even though it was trash-tier

>>54639787
Depends on who's side they'd be on.
>>54639794
So populare their shit is selling out on the website.

>>54639792
Oh god I remember when GW released the fucking AWFUL metal Possessed and got tons of shit for it, so FW went "lol GW watch this" and released these beauties.

>>54639792
Seems expensive and never worked with resin.

Am apprehensive.

>>54639807
Stalin's side obviously

>>54639807

Yes, but, H O W much popular.

Can I get any kind of numbers?

>>54639782
>Sold out
Need to ship more
>no longer available
New models

>>54639800
You just set that first guy aside and start again.
In the end you can compare your first attempt with your latest and that progress will feel great.
Also you can try watching painting tutorials to see how they paint and try to adapt their technique.
Sorestros Painting Guide on his Imperial Assault really helped me a lot.

>>54639800
Just paint them with a simple base+wash+base color edge highlight for now, it's simple to do, it will teach you how to edge highlight, mistakes aren't visible at table height and it's easy to correct them

>>54639797
>not doing rule of cool
Wew lad

>>54639823
It's sold out.

'Temporarily out of stock Online'

>>54639822
We won't have the exact numbers untill the financial reports.

>>54639785

>Heretic Marine chapter master is standing in command bunker discussing next moves over a holographic map with some of his command staff and a few of the renegade guard commanders and cult leaders under his banner

>Room is suddenly full of Ursarax

>>54639822
What am I, GW's sales spokesperson?
All I said was that they sell more than they produce.

>>54639779
The whole point was that it was a suicide mission for the IF, and everyone knew it.
Because Dorn was grim and mopey, and determined to have his tactics beat out the Iron Warriors and the Codex tactics, no matter the cost, and he was blind to reason.
And at the end of it, he had a better respect for the codex tactics, and saw his folley, and accepted Guilliman's ways.

But dumb ass ultramarine players can't see past their own noses, and have to have Guilliman come in and save the day, otherwise they can't put the pieces of a larger story together.

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>>54639435

>>54639751
And people say guard players are fags kek
>oh wait
Out of real legit curiosity, any militatry in your family or a Support the Troops fag tag on your mom's minivan?

>>54639787
About the same as if you replaced the drop pod with a massive bomb or even a double squad of Scions with meltaguns and flamers, mate. That's the whole point of a surgical strike done properly, you don't NEED to batter down all the defenses with sheer brute force and expenditure of resources. Not even counting all the "who would take command if Hitler was killed" theorizing.

>>54639799

Except literally none of that is relevant to the discussion. Thallax ARE around in 40k, it's the Admech and they don't let go of anything. You don't need to have magical plot armour and regeneration when a hellgun round to the head will kill your enemy commander and you're podded in or teleported right on top of your objective, that's a waste, especially compared to the fact that for the cost of the Marine squad you could send a hundred Scions or more. The fact that they apparently decided that they need a bunch of irrelevant shit that's outdone by all the Russes or Medusae you could buy for the resource cost of a Land Raider is also a tad odd.

>>54639837
Yep they need to make more stuff, finally saved up enough for the tyranjds swarm and then it's out of stock, if they don't restock soon I'll call up all the GWs in like a 20 mile radius desu

>>54639751
Dude it's like the notion of propaganda driven lore is new to you. Of course Ruststalkers destroy terminators in their first appearance. Necron destroyers are able to oneshot Land Raiders in their first appearance. While in their own lore you have a single marine luring hundred of orks in close combat to prove the superiority of the human race.

>>54639862
not "That guy" but i do and play guard

>>54639840
Do we have an ETA on the reports? Or guesses?

>>54639864
>herpaderp why don't they use this set of tactics
>Why wasn't every war a trench until ww2

>>54639813
Get them from China. Honestly just wash with dish soap and a tooth brush then prime and paint like anything else.

The ONLY downside to this possessed is the Word Bearers shoulder pads, but the book icon is easy enough to remove and even if the resin is all hacked up underneath it's on theme or can be easily replaced with a plastic icon or X legion or whatever.

>>54639885
>not buying British
This is why the resale market for warhammer is terrible and every local shop had WAACfags in it in 7th, because flavour of the month was just that god damn cheap

>>54639686
>>54639589
Nope, MoM and Dark Imperium shows that he doesn't care.

Girlyman saw what the Emperor saw the Emperor's memories and viewed his thought process without the farce of of his human mask. The Emperor was a monstrous being little better than the Chaos Gods.

All the revealed True perpetuals who are of the Emperor's sub-species and have known him personally hate his guts and call him a monstrous cunt. Coincidence that everyone who knew the Imperium personally hated him? No.

>>54639877
It's very common where I play. There are a lot of bases within an hour drive and 90% of guard players are military families.

Which makes a lot of sense with how much they sperg over them. It's annoying but not bad, I get it.

So what do you think would have happened if GW decided to, instead of making AOS a skirmish game, kept it as a wargame (with rank and file) but still simplified it the same amount?

>>54639900
I'm not saying China is the best, but if he doesn't have the money to spend and just wants them because they're good models I don't really care.

About half my resin is FW but some is China mostly stuff they don't make anymore or limited edition/event exclusive minis. You do what you can.

I agree it's cancer when it comes to FOTM waacyfaggy tho

>>54639911
I can only imagine how fun is to play against a prepubescent army brat.

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they will come back?
this is different than "Temporarily out of stock Online" ?

>>54639904
Thanks Logar!

>>54639926
Shit wrong thread. Problem with too many tabs.

>>54639862
Nah, no soldiers in my family, this is Britain and we're pacifists by our standards. Yes, I'm armchair generalling the hell out of this, but it's not like we have an exact set of standards for the effectiveness of modern military against 40k gear because as >>54639872
says, it's all propaganda. Thing is, if you say "enemies are not allowed to use what I think are propaganda depictions, but Marines get full lore powers at all times regardless of source or consistency" it's basically impossible to have a discussion.
And even though I'm rather ignorant on the matter of modern war, I thought the default response to "we need a surgical strike" nowadays was to blow them up with aircraft most of the time rather than send men, unless it's a rescue or such? Could be completely wrong here, though.

>>54639934
Lots of stuff is down for repacking
Gotta replace the 7E datasheets with the 8E ones

>>54639904
>Nope, MoM and Dark Imperium shows that he doesn't care.
Nice meme!

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>>54639473

>Tfw I unironically like Ultra Marines and their lore

>>54639934
I can't see them releasing new models since they are so new and can't see them putting them OOP because, well, they are still so new. So I think they are temp out of stock and messed up what the website said.

>>54639911
I play storm troopers "Tempestus scions" for the tactical flexibility and cool factor of being some of the baddest mofo's for human standards rather then being relevant to playing with a form of military command

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>>54639918
>skirmish game

>>54639883
What? I can't really see what point you are trying to make here.

>>54639931
It's the downside to playing in a league; no choice who you play against.

Thankfully my circle or gaming friends are based. Fuck me for branching out

>>54639961
>not knowing the difference between a skirmish and wargame

>>54639728
>ww2 mg is roughly equivalent to a autogun
In terms of what, deployment numbers? An Autogun fires massive projectiles compared to a German MG.

Thank of it this way. An MG42 shoots .31 calibre bullets. A .50 call round is 12.7mm. A bolt round is .75 caliber, thus it's around 20mm. Power Armor can survive quite a lot of bolter fire (and all bolt rounds have super dense armor piercing tips that would make depleted uranium seem like plasticine).
>you could drop a space marine chapter into ww2 and they would hardly be noticed
They would be impossible to kill. They could not be harmed at all by any small arms fire, or even anti-tank rifle fire. They could probably shrug off some tank shells, but not indefinitely. You also forget that a Marine runs fucking FAST, over long distances. They would be able to outrun the gunner's turret's slow rotation and be under the gun barrel before the tank crew could really react. A single bolt round could probably pierce most tank armour of WW2. Marines would absolutely decimate any army in WW2.

>>54639853

I want an updated sculpt of peanut dread that raises the quality to modern standards and dials the goofiness back 20% whilst keeping the other 80%.

>>54639927
I can understand OOP or event models because of scalpers, but if you want something just save up, and FW will lower prices when stuff is shown interest, as the only reason prices are high is to pay for these moulds which are used like 5 times a year, if not heresy stuff

>>54639558
>>54639531
See
>>54639904
Face the truth corpse worshippers

>>54639954
It's Carnac, he always does this shit.

He must have wanked so much over MoM his copy must be unrecognizable as a book by now.

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>>54639423

>>54639934
>sold out online
Yes just repacking or making more of, don't worry anon
They might put two boxes together with a five pound discount, and then put the current unit size in a get collecting kit, just like they did with chaos knights and blood crushers

>>54639934

Obsessive reboxing even though it must be costing them a lot to do and has no real benefit.

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>>54639852
>But dumb ass ultramarine players can't see past their own noses, and have to have Guilliman come in and save the day
Nothing's been retconned or changed about the iron cage. The ultramarines broke the stalemate in literally every version of the story.

In the IW version it says that perturabo "could have finished off the Imperial Fists at any time but chose not to", and in the IF version it says "the Iron Warriors lacked the faith to make the ultimate sacrifice that victory demanded". Both sides feel they were the ones with the upper hand before guilliman broke up the fight.

Like, read nigga. Actually fucking read.

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>>54639954
It's not a meme. Olly calls the Emperor "The thing that they call Emperor". You should hear the level of disdain he has for the Emperor in his voice. Refuses to even refer to him as a man because Immortal to Immortal, the Emperor sacrificed his humanity a long time ago for the power to achieve his ambition.

What gave him the right to decide the fact of mankind? The death of his father at the hand of his uncle? What nonsense is this?

>>54639970
I think they tried to do just that with Contemptors.

>>54639963
You're complaining about an empire which hates innovation using the same inefficient tactics for millennia which have made them survive

Any expert taufags here? How many markerlights should I be using at 1k/1.5k/2k?

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>>54640001

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>>54639738
break it up, boys

>>54639979
How big is an IA and a knightly house, and how big is this fortress suppoused to be
>8 layered fortress
Wow GW can't even shill your factions properly, IW are daemon Tamers not worshippers

>>54640001
fate of mankind*

>>54640006
The formular is:

Point value of game / Cost of cheapest markerlight model

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>>54640014

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>>54639968

A wargame is a strategy game where you have platoon or company level engagmentes with often 10s of units involved and 100s of soldiers, stuff like normal Age of Sigmar, WHFB, WH40K and Flames of War

A skirmish game is a strategy game where only a handful of units are involved, stuff like Bolt Action, Infinity, Mordheim, Necromunda, Shadow War Armageddon, Kill Team and lastly the new alternative set of rules for Age of Sigmar called Age of Sigmar SKIRMISH

>>54640014
>criticise an atheist and his empire
>get implied I am fedora

40K is shows that secularism only bring ruin to societies. Every intelligent race in the galaxy was brought low by adopting secularism.

Best list from start collecting tyranjds
Devourers on all three warriors
Also can you use fleshhooks in close combat like you can pistols

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [56 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands

+ HQ +

Captain [5 PL, 95pts]: Bolt pistol, Relic blade, The Armour Indomitus

Lieutenants [5 PL, 90pts]
. . Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Power fist

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. . Scout Sergeant
. . 3x Scout w/Boltgun
. . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 93pts]
. . 3x Space Marine
. . Space Marine Sergeant: Combi-plasma
. . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 86pts]
. . 3x Space Marine
. . Space Marine Sergeant: Combi-flamer
. . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Elites +

Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon

Vanguard Veteran Squad [8 PL, 142pts]: Jump Pack, Melta bombs
. . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Chainsword
. . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw
. . Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Power sword
. . Space Marine Veteran: Power axe, Storm shield
. . Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Heavy Support +

Predator [9 PL, 162pts]: Storm bolter, Twin lascannon, Two Heavy Bolters

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 102pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

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ORDER 66 WHEN?!

>>54640018
Explain Iron Warrior daemon princes then.

Not even that. Each Lord of Skull that's created usually has the Warpsmith going to Khorne's realm to die as the final willing sacrifice to activate the Lord of Skull. That's devotion.

>>54640035

No you fabric, Lorgar ruined everthing whilst spouting "Humanity needs faith! It doesn't matter what in, just as long as it's faith!" Rhetoric.

>>54640040
Not Ultramarines/5

>>54640032
In wargames units are rank and filed and you don't control each model individual - like in warhammer fantasy.
In skirmish games you move each model individually - like in 40k.

>>54640040
>not ultra marines.

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>>54640046
Get fucked loyalty is its own reward.

>>54640004
Yeah, I guess I am, which is rather pointless given it won't change the setting either way. Arguing is fun, though, and it's not too unreasonable to think that somebody would have noticed the role overlap and comparative costs, even if it's just some Magos Logis or Adeptus Admin chap. Admech develops their tech and tactics, if excruciatingly slowly and with a bunch of ritual and politicking attached, some Guard commanders seem sensible. Sure, they're alive, but they could be doing a better job. Also, a 21-year period with no war is a different situation than ten thousand years of constant war, there's considerably more opportunities to realize you need to change at least a BIT during that period.

>>54640054
Actually, the daemon prince told Lorgar that the Emperor's spreading of faithlessness as well as him breaking his oath to them pissed the Chaos Gods greatly. All the races that came before mankind adopted faithlessness and were punished for it. Lorgar was suppose to stop this and create a symbiosis between the Born and Neverborn. Only then would the cycle of destruction cease.

>>54639986
>>54639992
>>54639934

It's like the Carnifex, they're just eliminating product redundancy. Selling the same model in a single and multipack is dumb, so they eliminate the single pack.

Weapon teams, sentinels will only be in boxes or 3 from now on. Carnifexes in boxes or 2, etc. That's all.

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>>54640051
>War smith awakens lords of skulls
That's 40k but I'd like a source

>>54640051
A warpsmith isn't a warsmith

Iron Warriors acknowledge the Chaos Gods as a pantheon, but don't worship them. They acknowledge their place as high powerful beings but don't consider them worthy of worship and seek to just take what they wish instead

>>54640084
When you see the two together you notice how lazy the Belarius model is - they just took the existing model and made it larger.

>>54640035
Notice what? That all the areas with the highest standards of living, human rights, and freedoms are also the least religious? Because a secular state that operates on empiricism instead of fee-fees & books written by pederast slaving warlords who didn't know where the sun went at night consistently produces superior opportunity & outcomes?

Fuck men in gold trim dresses fucking boys while bitching about men who wear dresses or fuck men. Fuck stupid hats. Fuck snake handling. Fuck mumbling to yourself to write your wishlist. Fuck ghost stories. Fuck voting with smoke colors. Fuck genital mutilation. Fuck giving credit for human accomplishment to Ghost Dad. Fuck stealing others' rights & pretending you're oppressed to do it. Fuck fat Wal-Mart people who beat their kids to go to their shit book clubs on Sundays who cut me off in traffic going to suck down half an entire buffet after services. Fuck stealing from dumb poor folks. Fuck prayer research. Fuck blocking real research. Fuck your dumb book full of witches and talking animals and sorcery. Fuck theocracy and fuck theocrats. Go back to your /pol/ safe space, trigger fairy. My Emperor is dead and my Chapter is blue, nigga. We Warhammer now.

>>54640061
But you don't control each model individually, they behave like a unit, you have more control over what the unit does but still you activate a whole squad instead of activating a single model

>>54640036
Yes unless you're playing power then one barbed strangler.
Yes

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>>54640112

>>54640084
Cawl's model is borderline orky when you think about it

>>54640056
>>54640065
Why would I play ultramarines

>>54640119
Not to turn this to /pol/ but the secular west is crumbling in the face of the masses of the faithful.

>>54640129
Have a close look at it and you'll notice that all they did was extend it in whatever program they use and switch it around. Even the face is the same.

>>54640123
If your basic infantry dude has his own base, it's a skirmish game.

The hell is with the relic rule in this edition of crazily unrestricted list building?

>>54640137
You wouldn't.

It's just a retarded /tg/ thing to constantly chug smurflord girlyman's jizzseed

>>54640149
WHFB was a skirmish game too then, each model had his own base

>>54640128
Why barbed strangler only with power, assault d6 sounds decent
Why are warriors 4+ BS now, I swear it was 3+ last ed and then 4+ back in the super customisable codex with the iron of +1BS

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>>54639473

>>54640158
Correct. It was rank and file skirmish.

Why is the 40k board the only toxic general on tg?

Are there any decent 8th listbuilder?

>>54640152
One per detachment, so you can be a WAAC fag and take 9 auxiliary detachments with 1 HQ 1 troop but then you'll lose to an all comers list which is the norm now, also I really like the redone detachments rather than special force orgs for each army

>>54639544
they're not bad on the tabletop, just kinda meh
even less worth the model price

>>54640167
it's not

>>54640152
it got FAQ'd so dont worry if you're reading the index

>>54640167
You are on 4chan, by default the entire site is toxic. Fuck off with your fee fees.

>>54639747
If you wanna get better at painting, keep painting, you wont magically get better by painting only a few models at a time.

Also your model is always gonna look like shit until its finished. Seriously, i always do my base colors and the whole time im lookin at it going man this looks like ass, until i finally start doing layers and highlights.

>>54640167
You clearly never visited Modern general

>>54640167
>pfg

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>>54639435

>>54640001
>What gives him the right?
Oh idk, maybe that whole, immortal being who has seen into the future and is the only one who was powerful enough to pull humanity from the brink of destruction. Maybe that?

>>54639435
Castraferrum
Redemptor
Contemptor
Deredeo
Leviathan

>>54640161
It's a lot of points when it really serves the same function as a deathspitter anyway. Deathspitters and two boneswords are the best warrior build right now.

If you're going to run 6 or more warriors get a prime too.

>>54640195
you got any infographics you can spam the thread with to back that up?

>>54640189
Who the hell is paizo? I've noticed their threads everywhere recently. Are they the new kids on the block?

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>>54639435
Contemptor is still the best with the best unique variants.

>>54640227
No they have been around for a while they make pathfinder shit.

>>54640035
>Necrons : got fucked over because they started venerating C'tan as gods
>Eldar : got fucked over because of secret Slaanesh worshipping cults accelerating the awakening of the god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll
>Orks : don't really actively worship their gods
>Humans : almost conquered the galaxy, but then some dickhead had to start a rebellion because people should worship warp entities that condone rape, murder and whatnot in his opinion

That damn secularism right

>>54640195
Jewish?

>>54640236
Have to agree with this one.
>>54639435
Contemptor, Mk 5 (current one), dorito dread, leviathan, redemptor.

>>54640262
This is an anonymous image board, how could you possibly know either of those things?

>>54640215
Interesting given that it's because of the Emperor that humanity is fucked so bad currently. Honestly Abbadon is a better person, the guy knows that Chaos is a constant, and can't be done away with, but if man were to harness that power, he would be unstoppable against the Xeno threats. Keep in mind that Abaddon hasn't succeeded BECAUSE he refuses to pledge his soul to the Gods, he seeks mans rightful dominion over it. The Emperor however hides behind smoke and mirrors and is vague about chaos and his goals, where Abaddon is direct because it makes sense

>>54640247
Fucking winey ass bitch Logar....

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Single change to the forge world Astartes FAQ.

>>54640162
Two things are wrong here :
First, marines do not follow the Ecclesiarchy

Second, how is he supposed to cut off one of Abbadon's arms when that guy doesn't have any ?

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>>54640103
>It takes many vile sacrifices to complete the construction of a great cleaver of Khorne. The bitter spirits of murderers are forged within the blade and trapped forever within the fabric of its metal. To satisfy the corrupt expectations of a Lord of Skulls, he may personally select the victims himself. These sacrifices are hand-picked from amongst the most odious characters in the galaxy. Once taken, they are forced to fight in spike-walled pits so that the weakest are eliminated. The use of the most macabre, wretched souls will result in the manufacture of a great cleaver of significant potency; the stronger and more violent the captive; and the more humiliating their sacrifice, the more nightmarish the weapon will become.

>This enormous barbed, toothed and skull-encrusted weapon is not so much forged as birthed by an esoteric, violent and corrupt ritual conducted by a cabal of Warpsmiths. Within the sinister and vile citadels of the Dark Mechanicum, the chosen victims are impaled in isolation, but kept from the blissful relief of death for eight full days. Then, all the victims are slaughtered, though it is no merciful act. Their bodies are drained of blood and their souls are bound by eldritch chains until the master Warpsmith is ready for the final ritual.

>When that time comes, these captive, screeching souls are blended in arcane ways. Using the eight runes of undiluted wrath, and bathed in the blood of fallen champions, a corrupt, molten metal forms in the soul-furnaces of Khorne’s endless realm of bone. Skulls taken from the foot of Khorne’s throne are crammed within the cooling metalwork, and only then can this be hammered into the shape of a great cleaver of Khorne. A skilled Warpsmith will ensure that no tendrils of loathing or hatred are wasted during the process, because such bitter sentiments are an essential part of the fabric of the weapon.

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>>54640247
>Necrons : got fucked over because they started venerating C'tan as gods
>can never die
>C'stan stopped eating them
>tech advanced rapidly
>didn't slowly die to cancer like before
Explain

>>54640285
how do you know it's the same person?
how do you know they were telling the truth?

>>54640287
>Finally, the blade is brought before the brass throne of Khorne for him to bless with vile utterances. The master Warpsmiths who forged the weapon and offers it to Khorne is its first victim, and to die at its touch is considered a perverse honour.

>>54640109
Warpsmiths is the evolution of a warsmith. There are many Iron Warrior Warpsmiths.

>>54640274
>Because of the emp.
Im gonna stop you there, it was because of his dick head son Horus.

>the emp hides,
Because the emperor knows what power does to humans, it corrupts IE see Horus and all the traitor legions, they turned because they thought they knew better then their father, who again, saw the fucking future and knew what had to be done. If the emperor did not get betrayed by his own sons the IoM would be chilling in the human version of the web way. But no fucking Magnus, which really got the short end of the stick, mucked up his plan and horus decided to throw a fucking temper tantrum, and was cracked out on warp power.

Wtf, this hobby uses inches? Is that ironic? Satire?

It's Stone Age and ignorant, only a Brit or a burger can support such a stupid system.

>>54640307
Warsmith is simply captain/chapter master of Iron Warriors.

>>54640307
Fuck that is metal. Reminds me what drew me into the hobby.

>>54640311
Brits use metric, although i never thought of how ironic it is that they use inchs until now.

>>54639797
Assault cannon.

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>>54640311

>>54640328
We use both, Anon.

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>>54640001
In Praetorian of Dorn, one of the survivors of the Luna gene-cults implies he was created during the Dark Age of Technology too, which is interesting.

>All these repulsor weapons

Although I love that it is basically a floating fortress, it sure does make it an absolute pain in the arse to point up.

>>54640294
It's only not shit if you're a Necron lord or cryptec, everybody else is basically an almost mindless slave. And even Necron lords and cryptecs are often fucked up in some way. Not to mention that they still have those protocols build in that allows one individual that has the right codes and such to enslave all Necrons, and have them follow every demand without hesitation or ability to resist.

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>>54640311
Nice pasta you got there little Jimmy.

>>54639439
Fluff dont matter anymore, just pay and play them toy soldiers

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>>54640337
I don't believe emps has always been around, I think he was legitimately a created perpetual that made up all that junk about the Psyker mass suicide and everything, he's a hideous lab experiment that was created by Terran scientists who didn't know they were tapping into the power of the warp.

1. Alpha Legion = -1 to hit rolls when they are more than 12" away.

2. World Eaters = Extra attack when they make a successful charge.

3. Iron Warriors = Ignore cover when shooting and (I think, I can't be 100%) re-roll saves when themselves are in cover.

4. Black Legion = +1 Ld and Rapid fire weapons count as Assault weapons if the unit advanced.

5. Emperors Children = Attack first in combat just like Slannesh daemons

6. Renegades chapters = Advance and charge

7. Word Bearers = Re-roll failed morale

8. Night Lords = -1 from enemy Ld when within 6" and can stack up to the maximum of - 3 (you could probs use the Raptors ability on top and make it drop an extra -1 too)

>>54640247
>Necrons : Undisputed immortal masters of the galaxy until they turned on their Star Gods which led their galactic empire to crumble
>Eldar : The Eldar abandoned their gods and traditions in pursuit of hedonism. They started seeing themselves as superior beings untouchle any anything. Without the protection of their gods, Slaaneshi daemons infiltrated Eldar society to whisper things that stoked the fires of Eldar hubris and arrogance
>Humans : Building a secular empire brought the wrath of the Chaos Gods who orchestrated the fall of their empire. Had the Emperor revealed the truth about the gods and accepted his "divinity", none of that would have happened

>>54640328
We use both systems, sometimes even when measuring the same thing (using miles and meters is the default setting on most gps systems in Britain for example)

>>54640365
How long until the next drop?

>>54640337
She doesn't know that for sure. She just thinks he is a DAoT abomination because he is too powerful to be anything else in her point of view.

>>54640328
Brits use everything.
Metric, imperial, stones, like 5 different feet, local stuff from town to town.

>>54640222
I can see it's almost double the price for double range and potentially double attacks, but surely the +1 for hordes is useful, and it's only one in three warriors
Do you think we'll get shrikes with our codex, and a stand alone prime model finally with the options of wings

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>>54640365
Wow, so once again IW get the short end of the stick. Bravo, GW.

>>54640328
We use both, just to really fuck with people.

Generally it's divided by age, oldgfags cling to imperial like a liferaft to the olden days, millennials+ use metric.

>>54640365
>word bearers special ability is And They Shall Know No Fear
>this is their reward for being first to turn heretic
Dat ironing.

>>54640366
You don't know much about Necron BG right?

>>54640311
>Epic 40,000
There was an attempt

>>54640383
> Iron Warrior = Ignore cover when shooting and (I think, I can't be 100%) re-roll saves when themselves are in cover.
> Word Bearers = Re-roll failed morale

Get out of here you little memester.

>tfw store is 55% chaos without any registered xenos models or wins
>>54640354
You say that like societies don't force their wills upon everyone, tell me after 3000 years of people fighting for equality have we got it yet, in any regard

>>54640400
Rerolling morale will actually be useful with cultists and a dark apostle.

>>54640167
It's not, you just haven't visited any other generals

>>54640383

On the bright side if its true it'll at least be fun watching GW hype that shit in the faction focus

>>54640413
I go to Infinity, Warmachine, AOS and WIP.

>>54640365
Nightlords for -3 LD
Raptors for +1 to enemy morale rolls
Chaos spawn for -1 LD

Effectively -5 leadership.

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>>54640383
But brother of our opponents finally accept to siege games then we'll win them due to lack of cover protection

>>54640247
>>Necrons : got fucked over because they started venerating C'tan as gods
Making stuff up. Necrontyr didn't worship them but bargained with the Deceiver for their survival. They bargained with an ageless space monkey's paw and got fucked over. What a surprise this happened.
>>Eldar : got fucked over because of secret Slaanesh worshipping cults accelerating the awakening of the god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll
Eldar got fucked because their hedonism was taken to extremes. You seem to have missed that the Warp reflects the wider psychic projections of realspace. Because the Eldar were hedonistic and depraved, they literally fucked a God into existence. Chaos in general is about extremes. If you take something good to an extreme, it becomes evil. Martial pride, fear of death, a desire to control, and a desire to achieve pleasure from an act...
>>Orks : don't really actively worship their gods
They do. You're just a lorelet. Why do you think Ghazgkull is so fucking boss-y? Because he's the apparent herald of Gork and Mork so other Orks are convinced he's their messiah. An Ork WAAAAAAGH makes things a reality if the Orks believe it hard enough. That's why Yarrick cannot ever die, because Orks genuinely believe he is unkillable.
>>Humans : almost conquered the galaxy, but then some dickhead had to start a rebellion because people should worship warp entities that condone rape, murder and whatnot in his opinion
Humans would have conquered the Galaxy if the Emperor allowed his subjects to worship him. He refused because he (mistakenly) believed that humans have no need of Gods and that idol worship causes fractured societies. This may be true, but no worship at all fractured a society in the single biggest civil war in recorded history. Humans WANT a God to worship. The Emperor denied humans a base need, so they fucked him up for it. The Emperor made a critical error. Get over it, Impfag.

>>54640282

Oh neat. Would a relic Contemptor with chainfist, multi-Melta and cyclone missile launcher make a good vehicle hunter then?

If so, what Palm-mounted weapon would be good with the chainfist?

>>54640424
>You don't know much about Necron BG right?
Those are actually okay generals. Try lurking in the pathfinder general for a few months and see how many tumors you develop.

>>54640409
They get ATSKNF which imperials get for 1 point. I'd happily par for in excess of one point for all the others.

>>54640392
What do you mean?

>>54640428
So that's starting to get to the point where space marine veterans might fail morale tests.

>>54640430
*if our

>>54640428
Another -2 for butcher cannon

>>54640378
>drive with miles per hour but measure distance in metres and kilometres
>height of people is measured in feet and inches, everything else in centimetres and metres
>weight is in grams and kilograms, except for people, which is in stones

I feel this will come in handy if we get into another major war, like how the incomprehensible pre-decimalisation currency system fucked with German spies during WW2.

We'll be fighting the EU or something and someone will be asked how much they weigh and answer with 'oh I'm 87kg' and be in an MI5 van with a bag over their head within the hour.

>>54640435
Today begins my quest to search out and find the worst general on tg. Wish me luck fat guys. I may not return unscathed, but will return none the less.

>>54640428
If they can take a nurgle icon that's another -1.

>>54640449
Jesus this is getting gross, I love it.

>Okay I killed your terminator, take a LD test at...-7

>>54640387
Pleb, real Brits measure different things in different systems, with very little rhyme or reason over which is used when.
>people's heights in feet
>people's weights in stone
>except babies which are measured in kilograms until they reach 1 stone
>distances in metres
>except for driving which is in miles
>cookery uses imperial for weights but metric for volumes

>>54640458
Good luck anon, you glorious bastard

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>>54640437
>mfw even my Skitarii can get ATSKNF now

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>>54640449
>>54640462
mfw your getting negitive ld.

>>54640458
kthnxbai

>>54639738
I mean thats basically what happened right? Dorn gets caught and the Ultramarines show up

>>54640450
>>54640467
Reason why GW rules are such a fucking mess.

>>54640424
>WIP
Don't make me laugh. A bunch of paint retards patting each other on the head for a terrible paint job, where criticism is shunned or outright attacked (so nobody really bothers), and where actual skilled painters are ignored because "they don't need their stuff commenting on because their stuff is good". It's a circlejerk of the worst kind.

At least with /40kg/ people have opinions and others are willing to disagree. You might get a huge faggot who won't accept any other opnion but his own, but it's better than WIP where everyone has the same opinion.

>>54640438
I mean that

>Undisputed immortal masters of the galaxy until they turned on their Star Gods which led their galactic empire to crumble

is literally all wrong. I mean literally. They weren't undisputed master of the galaxy, they weren't immortal, and turning on their start Gods saved their empire instead of letting it to crumble.

>>54640481
The Iron Warriors were about to the IF once and for all. Now that is gone.

>>54640432
Worshippers of the Emperor get corrupted and decieved into worshipping Chaos all the time.

>>54640486
T. Carnac

>>54640486
Speaking of WIP, are there any worthy substitutes to Retributor Armor and Leadbelcher? I'm interested in VMC/VMA or possibly even Army Painter as an alternative.

>>54640499
t. WIPfag who dips his models in paint pots and expects praise

>>54640499
That is clearly not carnac you newfag

>>54640467
>metric for volumes
except for when we're measuring in pints

Pretty sure every BBC recipe article I've read measures milk by the pint

Glorious system

Truly a remarkable

>>54640486
haha wow who rattled your cage

>>54640432
>If he allowed them to worship him
Oh you mean like they do now and how there is totally not a secret police force that goes by some creepy name like the inquisition that will kill entire planets because some guy got board and took apart a toaster to figure out how it works? Yeah good thing they worship him now.

>>54640481
This is the prettied up version to make it appear that the fists weren't fucking retarded. There is no way anyone can look at the conflict that made Perturabo literally immortal and say "Hmm yep, Dorn sure did a good job there, fist victory!"

Not only did Dorn fail to capture Perty, but now he, nor anyone in the universe will be able to kill him.

>>54640490
>is literally all wrong.

Nopem you iz the wrong. The Necrons are immortal machines. That's basic.

The Necrons and C'tan destroyed the Old Ones and conquered the galaxy. While the C'tan were celebrating over the ashes of the Old Ones, the Necrons betrayed the C'tan and shattered them. The war against the C'tan left the Necrons so weakened that the Old One servant races rose against them and banished them to their tombs. ending the Necrons dominion over the galaxy

>>54640491
Oh yeah, looks like the IF got one of their main defeats turned into a stalemate.

>>54640518
>And we give the yanks shit for using Imperial

This is the reason we've never had a proper space program.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdrlWR-yFM

>>54640531
Can't ever have the Banana Fists lose a battle ever anon.

Fucking faggots at GW.

>>54640523
You mean AFTER the gigantic civil war that saw upspeakable evil and wherein citizens who were told monsters and Gods did not exist despite the fact that they were being killed by them and the Gods they are killing for? Yes.

>>54640510
So imo, i have not found a better gold then retribution, every so often GW will do a paint right, and retributor armor is one of them. As for leadbelcher, i switched over to Vallajo gun metal and never looked back.

>>54640512
DESU skeleton armies just need the base coat of bone, and metal and wood then a wash and it's fine

>>54640531
The Iron Cage was literally the only thing I could be proud of as an Iron Warrior. And now GW has taken it away.

>>54640524
The GK could in theory trick him and lock him in a box (aka tessaract vault)

>>54640311
Because inches is IMPERIAL measurement.

>>54640549
You still have that demon rape machine that Honsu made right?

>>54640549
I hope to God that when the Chaos Codex comes out, it describes it as the original version where the IW were slaughtering the IF

>>54640557
No. Mr Ventris broke it :(

>>54640518
Because you buy a pint of milk you idiot, it's like going to the bar and saying HEY can I have 568.261 cubic centimetres of alcohol please, you just look like a poofter

>>54640528
>Necrons have a self-destruct for when they are so damaged they are unable to teleport to their tombworld
>'immortal'

Keep digging that hole Carnac.

>>54640542
Yeah or like how an entire cult that worships the emperor rose to power and practiclly controls the entire imperium and to even question any action they do will result in your death. Glad that dogmatic religion never took off, am i right?!

>>54640559
That bastard. Taking away the galaxy's first hentai machine.

>>54639544
Distraction out of 10. I can't decide what to equip them with. Scout with Heavy Flamers are nice, but that's 52 points to basically shoot once then die. Still it's a nice speed bump and you can charge after flaming things so it denies a unit a shooting turn.

I thought Armored with Lascannon might be nice, just sitting behind a building, peeking out. 2+ armor with a potential Lascannon. Still, hitting on 4+/5+ with a single shot weapon isn't great. I thought of doing Missile Launchers too so I can use Frag on the move and Krak when sitting still in cover.

Other people have had success with Autocannon Sentinels, but I still don't think it's worth it. If sentinels came with some kind of Heavy 10 S4 Gatling gun they might be worth it more. Or if they could take Storm Bolters in addition to the one heavy weapon I would like it more.

>>54640549
>genius Primarch trolls a Primarch who is canonically a bit slow compared to the rest, but has his heart in the right place
>nah the loyalist marines are real human beans and a real heroes they can't have bad things happen to them :(((
FUCKING GEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>54640528
uh, you're right, I read your post as "turning TO their star gods", so I thought you were talking about them before the deal to the C'tan.

My bad.

>land raiders STILL not in stock
What the fuck are they doing?

>>54640566
Dude, their bodies self destruct but their minds are carried over to the tomb world to get a new body. Source is "Hammer and Anvil".

You suck.

>>54640569
Now you're getting it. All the bad shit that happened to the Imperium was thanks to the terrible mistakes the Emperor made.

>>54640573
>heart in the right place
>alienated Scoria and half the traitor primarchs making them traitors
>stole Pertuabos job of building the imperial palace

>>54640119
>Fuck men in gold trim dresses fucking boys while bitching about men who wear dresses or fuck men. Fuck stupid hats. Fuck snake handling. Fuck mumbling to yourself to write your wishlist. Fuck ghost stories. Fuck voting with smoke colors. Fuck genital mutilation. Fuck giving credit for human accomplishment to Ghost Dad. Fuck stealing others' rights & pretending you're oppressed to do it. Fuck fat Wal-Mart people who beat their kids to go to their shit book clubs on Sundays who cut me off in traffic going to suck down half an entire buffet after services. Fuck stealing from dumb poor folks. Fuck prayer research. Fuck blocking real research. Fuck your dumb book full of witches and talking animals and sorcery. Fuck theocracy and fuck theocrats.

That was beautiful.
Is this pasta or fresh? I want to make it into a song.

Have you guys noticed there are a hell of a lot of nerds on this board outside of 40kg

>>54640587
Road to hell is paved with good intentions, anon.

>>54640584
You mean other then the fact the cult of the emperor was made by logar unintentionally and that worship of him has resulted in the suppression of technology and the imeprium as a whole?

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>>54640549
At least we have hazard stripes
>>54640579
Making a tank bundle probably because £40 for a unit to transport a unit doesn't sell well

>>54640598
You mean the suppression of technology that happened after the gigantic civil war that saw upspeakable evil and wherein citizens who were told monsters and Gods did not exist despite the fact that they were being killed by them and the Gods they are killing for?

>>54640583
And the related text. Don't you hate it when uncultured anons try to mess with you about your own faction?

>>Every necron, from the lowliest of scarabs maintaining the tombs to the exalted lordship of Great Imotekh himself, carried in their braincase a communion link. The device allowed signalling over near-infinite distances, the ability to transmit data instantly through the arcane control of quantum entanglement phenomena.

>Khaygis knew of some lesser species that spoke of ethereal cords connecting their physical forms in the real world with their spiritual ones in the phantasmal. That was idiocy, of course, but the Stargods had gifted the necrontyr with many technologies when they embraced biotransference, and this link was one of them, a near-literal expression of that mystical ideal. Each necron was connected in part or in whole to an invisible network that spanned the galaxy, broken only by lines of dynasty and fealty. When their physical structures suffered critical levels of damage, it was the quantum link that was the means by which their digital consciousness and their damaged forms were reeled back to the closest World Engine or Tomb Planet.

>>54640593
You can't possibly be surprised by that.

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>>54640600
>anon posting my model

Aw shucks

>>54640591
Some autist posted it a few threads ago and I saved it to bait the anti Semite we have, sad that despite Britain's kindness to Jews they're still so hated by quote unquote nationalists
>>54640594
How is it good intention to take all skittari from one world to take another forgeworld they lost

>>54640609
I was creating a list of generals and was like, "holy shit, is that a still a thing?" or "who the hell actually plays that? Jesus what a fucking nerd"

>>54640546
Thanks, I'll try both air and color versions out.

>>54640616
Because Dorn is too stupid to realize the damage he's doing when he thinks he's making shit better. This is basically what the fucking proverb means you dumb twat.

>>54640615
Can I ask why he has a chain that goes up his left side, is it a reference to GoT?
>>54640628
No it means they try to do a good thing when it's clearly obvious that you cut your losses when something is deep in enemy lines, and he wasn't personally sacrificing anything either like an escort fleet that makes him trapped in Kurse's bedroom with his canonical corpses that were fucked to death

>>54640635
It's because the center greenstuff chestpiece got fucked up when I was filing it, so I covered it with a chain to make it look like it was sort of wrapped there

>>54640653
Well he's wonderful good luck crushing your enemies Anon!

>>54640635
Personal sacrifice is irrelevant. Dorn is an idiot who does idiotic things. A real idiot doesn't know he's an idiot.

>>54640594
t. Magnus

>>54640606
>o longer creatures of flesh and blood, Necrons are androids that can survive crippling damage. Once rent, the metal from which they are formed flows back together, and severed limbs scrabble to reattach themselves. Should irreparable damage occur, the Necron ‘phases out’, its body and consciousness teleported back to the nearest tomb-complex to remain in storage until a new shell can be forged.

-8th ed brb

And here is more text showing that body and mind are transported to tomb worlds.

>>54640467
It's almost as fucked up as our language.
When a word is past tense, simply double the last consonant and ad a suffix of "ed" except for a handful of random words for NO APPARENT REASON and we will laugh at anyone who makes this mistake like they are a simpleton.

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>>54640430
Get'em skeeter!!

>>54640669
still makes me sad ;_;

>>54640653
Good enough excuse, but to carry the theme on will his chosen have chains on them
>>54640669
>tfw Magnus redemption will never happen because he killed the grey knight his loyalist shard fused with

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>>54640677
This pleases Nurgle.
>checked

>>54640695
>>tfw Magnus redemption will never happen because he killed the grey knight his loyalist shard fused with
How can you redeem a Daemon Prince?

>>54640486
Retard. Where do you think "THIN YOUR PAINTS" came from.
If someone posts shit, they get told.
If it's their first model, people will let them know how to not be shit. If they ignore advice people will call out their retardation.

If someone with the same paint scheme keeps coming back with the same shit, theywill be told to fuck off.

If no one replies to your decent model, good you did well because no one could point out a flaw in your work.

It is not a hugbox. You just want someone to stroke your epeen because you can paint well. Go to CMON if you want that.

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>>54640677
Not him but
Xenos are being fags in mine do we have canon instances of tyranjds stopping warp storms as that's why my hive fights for chaos

>>54640706
>canon instances of tyranjds stopping warp storms
Explain

>>54640706
No, fleets just avoid warpstorms.

Feel like shit just want Prospero back

>>54640705
>Retard. Where do you think "THIN YOUR PAINTS" came from
That isn't just a WIP meme. Nice try though, faggot. Also please stop with this retarded spacing.

>>54640713
So you have a sector
Warp storm appears, thus clouding sector so no imperial forces can land
Tyranjds arrive
Shadow of the warp activates
Chaos can't interact with the universe because of shadow of the warp
Warp storm clears
Planets can be seen
Planets are absorbed
Tyranjds move on
Can that happen?

>>54640006
There's no 'wonder math', but I'd sa try using 10% of your list on MLs.
The most important decision is if you'd care mostly for the re-roll 1s or +1 to hit. The second option demands way more markerlights

>>54640731
This reddit spacing is cancer
Just do it
Like this
>>54640705
>inb4 someone says Alfa legion

Anyone got pictures of that open sarcophagus Redemptor conversion? With the dread pilot from the venerable kit?

>>54640745
I reckon it'd be a matter of warp storm vs tendril size. If the tendril is not large enough the synapsis won't cloud for shit

>>54640745
That was never happened. The Shadow in the Warp does nothing to Warpstorms.

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>Roboute is pronounced Row-boot-ie

>>54640767
>>54640784
If anyone goes to a heresy event someone should ask ADB this, just to get one extreme of the answer

>>54640798
It's row booty you numbskull, have you not listened to audio books recently

>>54640810
>row boot eye
No it's not, idiot.

>>54640706
Pretty sure I've read something in the fluff that the Nids 'becalm' the warp so something like that could happen