Modern General

KCI is the best deck

>>54635636
Post list niggre

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4th for finally viable in burn

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>>54635640

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>>54635565
Few understand our work, but it must be done for the good of the format.

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>>54635565
>karn is the perfect incarnation of what the praetors wanted to do
>tron decks lose 80/20 to infect match ups

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>>54635647
Am I the only one that sees this resemblance?

>>54635737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmatVb-BInQ
its a pretty popular theme

I haven't been paying attention to the format at all, as I slowly gather the pieces for a Naya Burn/Zoo deck. How fucked am I?

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>>54635780
0%

>>54635780
Naya burn is kind of out in favor of boros, unless I've been misinformed. It's not worse, but there's a lot of debate on if it's really worth it to splash green or to run nacatl. Rakdos burn is actually looking kind of interesting because of vexing devil + Claim to fame and access to bump, but it could just as easily be a meme. Most rakdos' end up being mardu anyway because of standard sideboard stuff. Palm, path, silence etc.

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I just picked up the rest of the cards to play this in paper, and I want to take it to FNM this week. There's a couple of card choices I'm undecided about, though.

>Is Render Silent a worthwhile wish target, or should I replace it with another hate card like Gaddock Teeg?

>Is Ephara a good wish target for card advantage, or would Sphinx's Rev or a planeswalker like Dovin Baan be better?

>Should I stick with the Emeria mana base, cut Emeria to run a less painful manabase with a couple Cavern of Souls, or do something in between?

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Burn is the hero the format needs

all flavors welcome, 5c burn reporting in

>>54636017
Question from a fellow burn bro, when you sideboard and need to cut a little burn for something do you cut rift bolt or lava spike?

>>54636053
Different guy here, but cut lava spike. Rift bolt is more versatile.

>>54635656
>Tron
>Not allowing shitbrews of itself
Tron is like Death's Shadow, you can do a lot of flavor around it
Fuck Eldrazi Tron though,
worst flavor

>>54636105
Yeah I figured waiting a turn for the ability to use it as removal was decent, but I've had games where they life-gained from three while I was waiting on a suspended bolt. I guess sometimes it just wasn't meant to be.

>>54636053
Lava Spike is extremely cuttable.
It just happens to be efficient in game 1 count-to-twenty but you want to proactively sideboard flexibility to deal with their survival plan and this might include cutting the least versatile cards.

>>54636053
>>54636053
Never in my life. i often cut 4 eidolon on the draw, less so on the play, helix for when lifetotal doesn't matter, skullcrack for when helix-type stuff matters more, blazes vs creatureless, tribals if lifetotals matter. Maybe if you had all goodstuffs in your 2cmc slot and wanted a sideboard ensnaring bridge, and had to make a cut, cutting a rift bolt then would be alright, but generally there's other stuff to cut first
>>54636105
It honestly depends on the matchup, if hitting creatures is a thing you actively are seeking to do (vs infect or arbor elf decks on the play etc) keep rift bolt, imho though in a blind game1 matchup I'd rather the lava spike over the rift bolt, half your burn spells already target creatures

How does blocking with a creature and then using its activate ability go down. Like "i declare this as a blocker" and then what phase do i tap it in

I've recently come into a fuckton of cash (good bets my friends) and like a fucking retarded manchild I'm spending it all on trading cards. I've always wanted to build faeries. I've playtested it and it suits my playstyle, and now I can finally afford it. But I don't know if a better investment might be to just finish up one of big three (tron, shadow and affinity) instead.
TLDR, should I waste a ton of money on a relatively weak deck that I find fun, or on a stronger deck that would probably be a smarter financial investment?

>>54636358
Usually you go like declare blockers go to block and if its all good from there you can do whatever you want with the creature, its considered blocking. The verbals are like before damage happens im going to tap it.

>>54636358
Declare blockers phase, at the end.

In each of the combat phases, the thing that's supposed to happen in that phase happens right at the beginning, and then both players get to act at the end before the next phase.

>>54636360
Stronger deck will most likely keep its value, faeries is pretty niche

>>54636358
>>beginning of combat phase
>priority on player 1
>priority on player 2
>>attack phase
>player 1 declares attackers
>player 1 priority
>player 2 priority
>>block phase
>player 2 declares blockers
>player 1 priority
>player 2 priority
^ you do your shit here
>>damage phase
>creatures deal damage and stuff dies
>player 1 priority
>player 2 priority

>>54636397
>>54636399
seems so counter intuitive because its before damage and a tapped creature cant block but here we are

>>54636360
I'd play Faeries if you find the playstyle the most fun for you

Unless you plan to enter a lot of tournaments and travel to them, I'd always advise to play with what you personally enjoy the most

>>54636435
You can also block and then sacrifice or bounce the blocking creature and the damage is still prevented.

>>54636423
yeah. I dunno I just feel that a lot of the T1 decks have no personality.

>>54636449
but does the other creature still take damage?

>>54636505
No. Damage is applied all at once now instead of going on the stack.

>>54636505
No, of course not.
It's before the damage step.

>>54636505
No

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>>54636505
I SWEAR I USED TO BE A 2/1

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Or if we really wanna go down the memory lane on damage, tapped creatures etc.

>>54635565
The fuck is this the thread pic

Tronnies get out of my format reeee

>>54636670
>memory lane
This still works if you're blocking with it, though. And people still play them in UB Landstill in Legacy.

>>54636681
>Not liking best tribe in Modern

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>>54636691
Hook, line and sinker.
What I was referring to was the fact that pre-1999 tapped creatures used to deal no combat damage. Mishra's Factory got significantly improved.

is there a standard general?

I can't seem to find anything on the catalog

>>54637085
Not right now, the last one died a few hours ago
Create one if you need one

>>54637106
nah it's ok, I'm absolutely new to the game and I wanted to ask a few questions, I'll go somwhere else.

>>54637238
You can ask them here or create a thread for them

>>54636691
>Legacy
>Landstill
>Not autistic miracle mentor that plays jank yet still is T1
At least say Vintage, where landstill won worlds last year, rather than talk of the deck in a format where nobody plays it, because miracles.

>>54637360
>Miracles
>A deck

>>54635647
His Claim to Fame is finally here

Im having a hard time /tg/ I want to make a cool kinda different voltron esper deck with Zur but i feel like im either trying to run too many janky things or the deck is just boring.

I had 21 unique control enchantments before but its been ground down to a more acceptable brew and feels a bit predictable.

How can I spice this up

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>>54638009
What did he mean by this?

>>54636451
They have plenty of personality, you have just seen them so much you're used to it.

>>54638078
Top is kill.
The deck still exists but with top gone the deck can't pretend it's success wasn't luck.

>>54636742
How did that even work? Attacking creatures didn't tap?

>>54638168
>1/5th of deck is cantrips
>luck

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>>54638239
Tapped blocking creatures didn't deal combat damage is what I was supposed to say but thought it was clear since we were talking about Factory. After the rules change it was able to block and pump itself.

Creatures indeed have always tapped to attack. C'mon how would that even work if they didn't.

>>54638065
By playing Enduring Ideal.

>>54638338
>Creatures indeed have always tapped to attack. C'mon how would that even work if they didn't.
I thought that's why Serra angel was so good :(

>>54635727

What happened? Boggleman forget to play a land or something?

>>54638386
>I thought that's why Serra angel was so good :(
But it is, are you high?

>>54638338
That's why I asked

Besides Merfolk and Storm, which tier/cimpetitive deck in modern is the cheapest?

>build bgx
>a new deck comes out
>e l d r a z i tron
>boy i sure hope it's just a flash in the pan
>it's not
>it's bgx, but better

what do i do? already considering suicide. Building bgx was a mistake. do i sell literally half the cards i own to buy chalices?

>>54639007
Ad nauseam is still on the affordable side, but is a complete chore to play

storm is still more tiring and expnsive

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>>54635662
>mfw infect is dead

>>54639080
Simple

Wait for the ban

>>54639164
What do you think will be banned in ETron? Chalice? TKS?

>Inb4 any combination of Tron lands
You know very well that it's not going to happen

>opponent's face when you drop the turn 3 lightning storm for 19 damage lethal
Worth every second.

>>54639509
>In response I'll tap Aether Vial
>Sure
>Put in Flickerwisp, trigger targets Phyrexian Unlife

>>54639542
That's why it only works game one.

Is it true that KMC was bought out and went to shit?

>>54639910
I never understood how that happens.

>Hey bro, lets spend a shit ton of money buying a company then run it into the ground
>Wow that sounds like an excellent way to spend money

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>MTGS banned any discussion around Twin in state of modern thread

im enjoying solemnity so much im afraid they're going to ban it, im only losing to tron and my sideboard is growing stronger

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It's inevitable

>>54640052
Why would they ban some Saffron Olive shitbrew? Next they'll ban Seance

>>54640070
Honestly that would be so dope
Would sliver tribal become a T1 deck?
Would slivers become op in edh?

>>54640070
thankfully we won't be seeing any new eldrazi for a looooooooooooong time

>>54640070
Yeah what a fucking amazing idea how about we put ridiculous abilities on 1 mana creatures what could go wrong here?

>>54640298
Who knows? Emracool has been whispering to Nissa all the time. But hopefully we can last at least until 2019 without seeing then.
Slivers, though? I'm betting we'll be getting more next year.

>>54638168
They run jank instead of top and CB now and they're still performing as a tier 1 deck. By now I believe it's the sheer number of them that grants them the damn results. (I know that in reality it's mentor)

>>54640298
>loooooooooong time
>They're in Dominaria
>Dominaria is a year away

>>54639388
>>54639164

lol no way it'll be banned, it doesn't dominate every tournament.

BGX is dead as we know it. only fanboys or people who already have BGX are left to play it

The modern metagame is not bad enough to justify a ban. Things need to get worse.

>>54640796
>Goodstuff.dec are dead
Great news, we'll be able to enjoy Modern

>>54640949
GDS is better good stuff than Jund ever was.

>>54640949
>doesn't realize goodstuff.dec got replaced by eldrazi_goodstuff.dec

if i wanted to play real combo i'd grab my legacy deck you baka

>>54640880
>not bad enough
It's a challenge to get worse.

Thoughseize needs to go.

How is abzan better than jund in the current meta?

>>54640968
Having to deal damage to yourself before playing your threat is better than just playing whatever you draw

>>54640977
Shit, you're right

>>54640949
>metasheep dogpiling on GDS
>advanced metasheep dogpiling on Eldrazi Tron to act as a combined meta vice for ez games
>meanwhile everyone forgets Affinity exists, except for Star of David Games
>all the metasheep are twisting populations and tier 2 is a shitshow of CoCo decks or planeswalker-as-wincon decks

Only burn, fish, and storm players are having a good time.
resurrect infect

>>54640991
You can combo out and win suddenly, same as always.
Jund just isn't the best stuff anymore. Goyf is one mana too much to be relevant. What a world.

>>54641003
>implying you can't just fill your yard and slam a 5/5 on T2

>>54641003
>XDDD

>>54641035

>Tarmogoyim losing stature in Modern

Oi vey DS ban when?

>>54641003
Deaths Shadow is only 4 cards in the deck.

>>54641035
>2 mana threats are too slow in format
>counter-magic is still based around 3 mana in format
sasuga, WotC, sasuga.

>>54641145
Isn't the goal of the deck to swing with it?
I never saw any flavor of DS in action, it's non-existent in my FLGS (as are goodstuff.dec in general)

>>54641035
New to the game here, what combo is in abzan? I thought it was just good cards, like jund

>>54640991
path > terminate

>>54641169
Melira or Anafenza, Vicera Seer, and Kitchen finks.
Alternatively there's Devoted Druid and Vizier of Remedies.
Collected Company helps get them on board.

>>54641169
>>54641326

deck has a high ceiling but a very low floor imo. lotsa retards piloting that deck

>>54641436
I didn't have it at all in my local meta until Vizier dropped. Suddenly shitters buying into it.
it's a fun deck to play against. Very fair and "true" GWx Magic

>>54641511
Fuck off it's utterly miserable to play against. It's like Twin except they aren't even pretending to have a back up plan.

>>54641511
it's cheesy imo but a good skill testing deck, it'sa shame shitters put it off the radar by rarely putting up results

>>54640991

>How is abzan better than jund in the current meta?

Real simple. It gets to play Lingering Souls. Nah seriously that's it. Lingering Souls always gives Jund decks extreme annoyances.

>>54641570
Nah. I play Elves so CoCo doesn't bother me. It's fun figuring out what becomes mana and what swings.

>>54641570
what do you find fun to play against?

>>54641326
Abzan and Abzan Coco are two different decks

>>54641570
>Abzan Coco doesn't have a back up plan

The combo is the back up plan. Plan A is beat face.

>>54642082
Maybe I'm thinking of the faggot at my LGS who only plays Vizier combo.

>>54642128
Yeah thinking on what I said I realized that it's very possible that some people have adopted a shitty combo only version since everyone was losing their shit about the vizier druid combo.

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Should I play a one-of Oketra in a mono white go-wide humans?

Why did Wizards have to make this one 4 mana? Why can't I have my 4/7 double strike/indestructible for 3 with Honor of the Pure out?

>>54636360
bets on what?

>>54642234
Would need a list. However people consistently underestimate the god cards with the magical word "indestructible"

How does one beat Thought Knot into Reality Smasher into Reality Smasher?

>>54642401
blasphemous act

>>54639509
What deck is this? That goofy fringe Treasure Hunt deck?

>>54638065
play oblivion ring, thassa, steel of the godhead, and oath of jace
then run your standard durdly esper nonsense, path, push, spell snare, probably a couple supreme verdict and blessed alliance

>>54639542
>having 3 counters on vial on turn 3
Ah yes, how could I forget the turn 0 vial.

>>54639007
>>54639090
It's about $650, so not the worst, but probably not what I'd call a budget deck when there are other viable things for way less. Burn is about 500, and Skred is only about 350 if you want to go really budget. I'm sure there are a bunch of others in the 3-500 range, I just went to deckbox and clicked through the stuff I had built

>>54639542
It's almost like good players will wait for one more mana if they can and just Grace

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>>54640411
Man, I'm not the guy who suggested that 1/1 about a week ago, nor do I think this would be balanced without a relatively hefty mana cost. I'm just saying that it's so straightforward that it's only a matter of time before Wizards find that they've run out of ideas and decide to make use of it.

Also in hindsight it would have been funnier if it said "Sliver creatures you control..." instead.

>>54642712
>I'm sure there are a bunch of others in the 3-500 range
$3 decks PogChamp

>>54642737
Yeah because good players just magically have Angel's Grace in their hand at all times.

>>54642753
>eah because good players just magically have Angel's Grace in their hand at all times.

Yes, otherwise they would be shit players m8.

>>54642456
Yep. It actually has a few cool tricks: nephalia academy for thoughtseize, boseiju for counterspells, side in undead invasion for leyline, and you can use gemstone cavern to get it off turn 2 with good draws.

>>54642753
>have deck in hand
>won't magically have grace in hand
hmmm

>>54642753
An extra mana for after you Ad Naus and can grace in response to the flickerwisp bounce

Ad Nauseam fucking sucks now, why are we even discussing it?

whats the secret to updating xmage? i just keeps saying theres a new version available

>>54643669
nevermind i got it

java is fucking stupid lol

>>54642904

List, please! I'm running Duck Hunt right now, I'm always up for goofy Treasure Hunt decks.

>>54643453
the deck is still good, just has a bad shadow matchup. tron is a free win unless they stick chalice on 3. infect isn't really seeing much play. you stomp all over affinity, burn, dredge, valakut, all the linear decks scoop to unlife. storm is kinda a coinflip but leyline is really good since it shuts off gifts. shadow pushing traditional jund and junk out of the format has been very good for this deck.

>>54643873
Gimme 3 hours, I'll post it.

>>54643924

All righty, thank you!

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>ywn have a qt 3.14 asian gf who plays mtg with you
>ywn brew and discuss the metagame with your asian gf
>ywn go to a gp together and she beats you in the finals of the top 8
>ywn go to that years pro tour together and you don't make it to day 2 but she ends up winning
Why even live on this Earth anymore?

>>54644180

naw man, she's your sugar momma. That's a good position to be in. Ride those coat-tails, bro.

>>54644180
>wanting an Asian gf
>wanting a gf that beats you at your hobby
Maximum beta

>>54644244
>calling other people betas
>on a Taiwanese pictograph board
>on a board for shut-in neckbeards
>in a thread for a children's trading card game

who do you think you're fooling

>>54644291
Complete NEET shut-in wizards are on a different axis than people who want to be publicly bested by their gf.

>>54642401
Ensnaring bridge

>>54644945
I think you missed the part where TKS exiled your bridge

>>54643880
>stomp all over Affinity
>when they can just Inkmoth+Ravager you
Stop

>>54645439
I think you missed the part where I played it turn 1

>>54643880
>>54645478
Yeah I'm not sure what he's smoking, affinity is a bad matchup because of speed and infect. Tron should also Chalice on one most of the time to shut off Grace, Cantrips and Spoils. Chalice for 3 is only good game one when there probably won't be an echoing truth in the main

Also it's kinda a joke to say that linear decks fold to Unlife, Ad Naus doesn't interact and Unlife sometimes lets them get away with that, nothing more

>>54645509
Have fun with your shitpile that loses to itself, go back to Legacy

>>54644225
Exactly. It would be great to ride on the coattails of your professional gf

I know it's pretty fucking stupid but friends and I are trying to get into modern with a $75 deck budget since we're all strapped for cash. I only play commander so I have no clue how to build 60 card constructed. Can someone tell me how shit I did? I tried to do Abzan midrange http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/midrange-modern-custom-format/http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/midrange-modern-custom-format/

I know I'm fucking garbage but any help would be great

>>54644244
>>54644306

>Not wanting to be proud of your girlfriend
>Implying you don't hate fuck her after she beat you at the GP
>Implying you don't beat her at other games and hobbies

Its you who is the virgin beta loser

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>>54645637
Pretty sure that your tappedout link is private

In any case, don't mess around with 3 colors on that budget, your manabase will be shit. I'd say go for UW monument with a more budget manabase, the only mainboard cards over a dollar are Queller, Path, and Wall

>>54645637
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/midrange-modern-custom-format/
Correct link
>>54645700
Thank you for the advice, I fixed the link. Is UW monument a midrange deck? I'm quite interested in that, I play that archetype in other card games.

>>54645637
On that budget you need mono colour. I've recently built an 8 rack deck, mostly out of my collection and spent about $10 on a few extras like Mind Wrench.

I've not got any Liliana of the Veil in the deck but that pushes it from like $50 to $200 or more depending on the number of copies. I'll think I'll do without unless I get serious about this deck.

>>54642234

Why?

You're better off playing Hero of Bladehold at the same cmc.

>>54645771
I would call Monument a midrange deck for sure. I'll see if I can get a list that falls around 75, it will probably involve board trimming but you can pick up things like RIP and Unified Will later while things like Relic and Negate are perfectly fine for now

The list in your link looks like a standard deck desu, and it would just get destroyed in modern

>>54645782
Forfet Lilis, $75 won't cover thougtseize, mutavault, urborg, bridge, etc. A few Fatal Push already eats a quarter of the budget. Not to mention, the deck is already a trash fire when fully built - I'd hate to see how poorly a budget list played

>>54645903
Well fuck me I don't know how that desu got in there, fuck mobile keyboard. I'm not a weeb I promise

>>54645903
Yeah it's basically just gonna be some friends at a kitchen table with the same power level, I couldn't even dream of playing that deck in a real game of modern. Thank you for the help Anon, I really like the look of this deck.

>>54645935
>not knowing about the word filters
You might not be a weeb, but you are a newfag

>>54645935
>I'm not a weeb I promise

No, you're just a dumbass, which is worse.

>>54643880

Ad Naus has always had a bad matchup against decks playing Thoughtseize so that includes Death's Shadow decks. Those matchups you always board in 4x Leylines. With less bolts in the format now they have more dead cards than ever.

Also Affinity isn't exactly a good matchup, it's not entirely a bad one either but it's pretty much a race. As long as they don't land cranial plating with a vomitted hand on an equipped Vault Skirge then you're fine in most cases.

>>54645903
You're right, I'd forgotten about the value on some of those, I pulled my deck together mostly from my collection so wasn't thinking about the costs. Couldn't believe how much Surgical Extraction had become having just looked.

>>54645935
Bet you call people senpai by accident too

>>54640070
Stop spreading lies, you know it will only be slivers you control.

>>54642904
That sounds rad

>>54643873
>>54642904
Here it is.

MAINDECK:
4x Treasure Hunt
2x Lightning Storm
1x Seismic Assault

4x Reliquary Tower
4x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
4x Nephalia Academy
4x Gemstone Caverns
4x Shivan Reef
4x Steam Vents
3x Tolaria West
4x Polluted Delta
4x Halimar Depths
4x Cascade Bluffs
7x Island
6x Mountain


SIDEBOARD:
4x Watery Grave
2x Zombie Infestation
2x Seismic Assault
7x Swamp (or other U/B duals)

There's other lands you can consider too, like manlands, but I like this.

>>54647148
Also, if you're on a budget, you can honestly just use Izzet Guildgate, Highland Lake, and Swiftwater Cliff as the dual lands.

>>54635565
heres a very late q for the thread

If you had the choice to reprint a card from a non modern format into modern. what would you pick and why?

i would pick Swords to plowshares for a alternative to path, and maybe path would drop in price.

>>54647343
Riptide Crab so my crab tribal can be modern legal.

>>54647343

DESU I would try to just include the entire Onslaught block into Modern. Definitely cards would need to be banned like the storm cards, but as a whole a bunch of sweet cards and play styles would be viable.

>>54647420
>crab tribal
thats a thing? sounds fun

>>54645880
Bladehold can be hit by Push, and perhaps more importantly can't swing into any of the GDS creatures.
Oketra isn't a bad finisher right now, but unchecked and/or with a few Intangibles out, Bladehold is decidedly the better card.

>>54647343
>If you had the choice to reprint a card from a non modern format into modern. what would you pick and why?
I would make Modern what it was originally intended to be, which is every set from Invasion forward.

>>54647476
>>54647420
You know what would be funny? if braingeyser was modern legal, you could use tron lands and mill someone out with it.

>>54647493
It's shit, but it's my shit. Ixalan might bring some good crabs, I'm hoping. T3 Riptide into T4 Vexing Scuttler to draw a card and recur echoing truth is amazing.

>>54647573
well i hope some good cards come your way to your shit.

>>54647662
Thanks! I'm sure with your blessing we'll get the legendary wurm soon.

>>54647343
Cabal Therapy. I'm willing to trade Thoughtseize for it if need be. Simply put, against too many decks, you know exactly what a good opening hand of theirs is. You know what they have, you can name it and push their shit in for being too predictable.
We don't have Probe either, which is nice.

Cabal encourages deck-building diversity instead of the blind metasheep behavior that resulted in Wizards changing the MTGO data releases.

>>54647148

Aw yeah, that's the spice I need.

What are your thoughts on Countryside Crusher instead of Zombie Infestation to get under Leyline?

>>54647780
That's pretty funny, and you could definitely stick one or two on the sideboard.

I need some janky modern build around cards and Google isn't helpful. Need some shit that's never been done.

>>54647343
Sulfuric Vortex.

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>>54647762
>Cabal encourages deck-building diversity
Nice meme

>>54647343
This format could use some good old exhume love. It's literally just a common, it can't be that good.

>>54647762
Nobody will start using different cards because of therapy.
Using strictly worse cards for the sake of a single matchup at the cost of every other matchup makes no sense.

>>54635565
are there any notable cards to get from kamigawa block?

>>54648070
Kiki-Jiki

>>54648070
Lava Spike for burn?
Mikliklapik, the Center of the Sea?
Desperate Ritual?

>>54648091
sorry, you seemed annoyed. i never looked into it because kamigawa is from what i heard the redheaded stepchild for modern.

>>54648070
Goryo's Vengeance?

>>54648114
I didn't mean to seem annoyed, I put question marks because I wasn't sure if they were actually good.

>>54648140
They're good / fringe use but worth having. No need to question.

Off topic, I am a high school teacher and I've gotten about ten students into magic. Its gotten to the point where I have multiple players that are butt fuck poor and can only really afford a precon deck and a few packs every now and then. I have a large collection that ive built and some of it was donated to me. I have my eye on some cards i could part with. In the past when only a few kids played I just gave away cards I thought would help their decks.

This year I want to give away theme'd "booster packs" after our games. Any ideas on ways to wrap my own cards like a pack? I want them to know what color and style of cards they are but not exactly what is in the pack so nothing see through. Any ideas on repacking cards?

>>54648140
oh. ok

im just looking at the stuff because im getting a few copies of hold the line

>>54648160
By some of those little jewel case things for holding cards (or use toploaders if it's a small enough number of cards). Wrap them in plain wrapping paper, and draw/print out and tape appropriate mana symbols onto them.

>>54647822
Here's my list (warning: may have already been tried)
>inner fire
>leave // chance
>mana seism
>crack the earth
>geosurge
>blood clock
>immolating souleater
>artificer's intuition
>gobline lore/ burning inquiry
>reality acid
>crypt of agadeem
>soulflayer

>>54648160
You could get one of the 4bux ultra pro deck boxes, put that into a bigger box to hold it. then pretty up the box with what the deck is and maybe a piece of paper explaning how it works inside the box.

out of curiosity, what are some of the decks themes?

>>54648070
I'm running Goblin Cohort in my aggro deck.
The effect doesn't really matter when you drop a creature every turn anyway so you end up with a bunch of Guides without haste.

>>54648160
>I am a high school teacher and I've gotten about ten students into magic.

You are worse than a drug dealer, I hope you realize that.

>>54648207
At lest he didnt get them into WoW

>>54648216
That's just child abuse.

>>54648234
Fair point.

>>54648207
>fun and engaging hobby that encourages social interaction
>the same as drug abuse
Not even close, although promoting reading or musicianship would probably be more healthy, it would also be a lot less successful.

>>54648248
Oh no he responded to a joke like it was a real objection. Poe's Law strikes again.

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>>54648248

>>54648207
>>54648248
Training on logic and the stack. Could be far worse.

>>54648207
Imagine being the only person in the room that understands the stack. I explain shit a lot.

>>54648489
I was VP for my school's primarily EDH playing club. Explaining the stack was commonplace.

>>54648489
I won my first FNM back in Freshman year of high school, they should understand the stack in about 10 minutes it's not hard. Once you've learned the basics every magic rules question is easy except sometimes ones that involve layers

>>54648202
I'm not building them all out decks, although i do have a few shit brews like r/b vampire madness and tezz artifacts they can use, its more like the packs will have a theme that the ten or so cards will all share.

For instance: I have four llanowar elves, two farseeks, two rampant growths, and two random big dumb green creatures in a pack.

What does the XX in Walking Ballista's mana cost mean? I've been out of the game for a while and don't recall seeing anything with two X's in it's mana cost.

>>54648586
You have to pay X twice, so to cast Walking Ballista at all, you need to pay at least 2 and it will enter with one +1/+1 counter on it.

>>54648586
Just like any X card you choose X and then pay its cost. XX just means you pay whatever you chose twice, so a 4-mana Ballista gets 2 counters, 6 mana gets 3, etc

>>54648248
The problem with Magic is that it's a lot like parenting, there's a lot you can do right and there's a lot you can do wrong, and while you can't control everything, being absent to steer someone in the right direction will ensure someone will very likely get all the wrong bits. And the worst part is that it takes a monumental effort to shake off all the bad bits once they get their hooks into you.

There's a lot of good that can be learned from Magic, but I'm not going to bother with explaining that.

The thing that is so tragic about Magic is that it takes a lot to not fuck it up. It's so complex that you almost need a full-time mentor to ensure that it doesn't become a figurative drug habit. There's tonnes of dogshit product out there that Wizards sells, there's highly inefficient ways to acquire cards that is a waste of your money, there are people who don't know the rules and will explain things wrong, there are addictive qualities you have to be mindful of, you have to even educate new players on how to not get sucked into the ridiculous hype that comes with the game, you have to teach them that the fucking Internet is for the most part one giant apology for Wizards and marketing platform for this game and that our opinions even here must be taken with a truckload of salt.

I would never casually suggest anybody play Magic. I would never give or buy anybody cards unless. Basically I would never get them into the game unless I was there to inform them of all the garbage that exists in this game. They can explore the game itself at their leisure, but the insidious shit surrounding garbage product and shitty people is what you need to prepare a person for this game; because it doesn't serve to have that person cry and bitch on 4chan about mana weaving or the fucking Reserve List because it's such a goddamn waste of time and nothing but a source of grief.

>>54648586
XX will be its power and toughness, although you have to pay the same value for both Xs. The value is X is how many counters are placed on it.

>>54648612
Not sure if this is autism or bait

Magic is a fucking game, and sure, if I teach someone I'd teach them "right" from a competitive view but that's not the only way to play. Casuals are totally free to be casuals as long as they don't come to my lgs and sperg out about netdecks and things being unfair

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anyone here ever seen that splinter fright shitbrew. It's simic and runs fucking strength from the fallen.

>>54648612
>mana weaving

Had to look up what's wrong with this and holy shit do people actually do this right before a match? Like I'll do this between matches if my decks fucked but what kind of autismo supreme does such a thing?

>>54648688
>They can explore the game itself at their leisure
I'm not talking about the game itself. I'm talking about all the horrible shit that isn't the game.

Where in the fuck did I say anything about competitive play?

Knowing the rules, not wasting your money, not getting caught up in the hype, realizing trading is sometimes a waste of time or people exist to shark, etc. etc. None of that shit has anything to do with your stupid casual/competitive partisan crap. They are things that need to be taught and the reason why this place and Magic is such fucking garbage is because nobody takes the time to teach new players things like that and Wizards loves it when you make shit decisions and keep on buying their crap.

>>54648746
Casuals who don't know what shuffling means. It's the same as pile shuffling more than just to count your deck. If it did something you cheated, if it didn't, then why did you do it?

>>54648779
So basically teaching them the value of buying singles and not getting sharked? There's nothing hard to teach about that, it takes all of two sentences and certainly isn't the massive workload you're making it sound like

ok we REALLY need to talk about tron.
It needs a ban. Turn 3 karn is fucking retarded and you know it. I am thinking of going ponza because its getting out of hand.
Wizards refuses to do something about this while hating on FUCKING INFECT. Infect is AIDS but didnt deserve what it got. Ds is fine because it keeps combo players in the shitter but holy fuck tron does everything.

What do we BAN. Something has to be done like holy fuck.

DS keeps storm in check but tron keeps everyone on all fours.

>>54648835
>Everything I don't like should be banned

>>54648856
how is turn 3 karn fine

>>54648835
t. Assblasted Midrange/Control player

>>54648787
Speaking of shuffling.
Is there a science explaining why lands clump together over time despite constant mash shuffling?

>>54648894
Because it doesn't happen as often as you think. Most decks run two Karns.

Also ModGen is filled with babbies like you who the moment they lose to a deck cry foul. There was a guy a week or so ago crying about Merfolk of all things.

>>54648832
>There's nothing hard to teach about that
Well clearly there is because Masters product keeps flying off the shelves in spite of being a complete and utter rip off. Wizards wouldn't print trash like Intro Decks if it didn't sell.

If it's so easy, then why are enough people just letting Wizards print overpriced and/or trash product every year.

If it's so easy, why do people just sit down in the store and open their lottery ticket boxes, why do people praise them for opening nice things, why do people think it's not fair that they don't open nice Sealed pools, why do people continuously talk about Chronicles as if it matters at all anymore, why do people get caught up in bandwagoning

If it was all so easy then the Magic community wouldn't be a shitty and misinformed mob. But it's not easy and nobody makes the effort.

>>54648894
Just spreading seas bro

>>54648954
every deck but tron is ok why can we not discuss this.
once they get to turn 3 its "oh fuck i really hope they dont have one of those massive fucking bombs in their hand" which is always the case.

>>54649007
Keep cryin bitch nigga it ain't even the top Modern deck.

>>54648691
I see the idea, but we're revolving a deck around a 3-drop do-nothing creature, and a repeating pump spell.
Are there other serious cards that enable this? I acknowledge you terming it a shitbrew, but I need some evidence it can at least win games like Eternal Command or Seismic Swans can.

>>54648894
Because it usually comes in, removes one thing, then dies to some attack or a bolt. If it doesn't then you need better answers to play modern.

>>54648835
Fuck off Bluefag.

>>54648961
You seriously sound like you have problems. I'm guessing you browse /v/ by your tone and "fuck da man" attitude.

>>54648961
Masters sets sell because they're fun draft environments. Some people like to draft, it turns out.

>opponent T1 Urza's tower, pass
>smug grin
>okay
>T1, Ghost Quarter, sac, Surgical, pass
>no more grin

control babies OUT
also Ponza is bad, targeted discard destroys it

>>54649120

Not that anon, but you KNOW the masters sets aren't sold because of their draft potential. They sell because they reprint cards that constructed decks need to run at high rarity, so people have to buy tons to get the card they want.

That's the main reason, otherwise Core Sets would have been sold a lot, since they are also, usually great draft enviroments.

>>54649083
Take your ad hominem back to whatever it came from. It's horrible that you refuse to acknowledge the problems in this game and how it produces a huge number of incompetent players.

Currently playing a nice budget BW Aristocrats deck, not that many expensive upgrades to be made if I'm not splashing (some Bobs, manabase and sideboard, pretty much). I'm pretty happy with it, been having fair results online. And, sometimes, the Enduring Renewal+Hangarback combo sticks and you instantly win. I'd definitely recommend the archetype for a little bit of fun.

Next step, trying to find a nice enchantress deck.

>>54649133
Fuck you, your tron lands, and the horse the each of you rode in on!

>>54649151
>accuses someone of child abuse for getting them into a card game
>writes a fucking essay about why big bad corporations and players are satanic pedophiles out to rape the wallets of poor innocent players while a lady liberty cries in the background
>doesn't have issues

/v/ please leave

>>54649140
I KNOW some people buy masters boxes for the singles, and that's not smart, but they're mostly sold as draft setups or keepsakes for collectors.

>>54649133
>opponent t1 Urza's tower, pass
>smug grin
>okay
>T1, reliquary tower, tap gemstones caverns and tower, treasure hunt
>T2 Lightning Storm lethal
>no more grin

meme decks IN

>>54648199
You bet your fucking ass I'm building around geosurge. Thank you brother

>>54649181

what a liar you are, anon. Master sets are mostly sold for people to play the lottery. Very rarely does anyone ever draft with them because of how much more expensive they are than whatever standard set there is available for drafting at the time.

>>54649140
>people have to buy tons to get the cards they want
Do people actually do this? Buy boxes trying to get singles?
I know Timmy cracks packs, but Timmy is dumb and his allowance won't let him buy boxes.

I want to believe only guys like CardKingdom buy large quantities of eternal reprints. We know they'll pick up things at a loss if it's on their buylist, because they have obligations and need the cards. They have a response to Alpha Investments on that subject.

I just question this claim that eternal reprints are bought up in large quantities by the average joe. I don't have data one way or the other, but it just isn't behavior I've ever seen.
At most a guy buys a box or two for drafting, or a store will crack a box, again for drafting.
Do you see that behavior? Guys ordering 5+ boxes trying to find singles?

>>54647531

I mean both have their uses, I just find Bladehold a better card because it can at least block if you need to and one attack gives you super valuetown. Since the guy is playing mono white go wide humans the human type is also good presuming his list is playing Thalia's Lieutenants and all. I'd try Oketra in the sideboard though. Not sure what matchup i'd bring it in but I guess against most of the gb/x midrange decks maybe.

>>54649235
Show me some data to support your statement then. I'm enthused enough to listen.

>>54649028
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/splinter-freight-train/#c3112938

>>54649271

You show me your data, friend, and I'll show you mine.

>>54649285
I ASKED YOU FIRST, JERK

I'm 10 and good at online deb8ing!

In my many years at many different LGS, nearly every time a box was bought it was brought to a table for drafting, or it was a store draft event.

>>54648586

X is a variable cost of the spell. You announce what X is and then pay for it. So in Walking Ballista's case if you announce X to be 1 then it is 1 for every X in the cost of the spell. So a Walking Ballista which has XX in the spell cost and you announce 1 for X means the total cost of the spell to cast Walking Ballista is 2 mana to play(1 for each X).

>>54649181

You are just being facetious. Master series wouldn't be nowhere near as popular if not for the chase rares and the lottery aspect.

Master series sell well because of the reprints, simple as that and people are dumb enough to play the lottery.

>>54649264

Stores by in bulk so the average joe can crack the packs.

The usual player that has a job (aka most players now, since WotC is shitting the bed on bringing new players in and pokemon and yu-gi-oh keep that demographic group in check) usually buy a box per new release and they usually buy multiple boxes of the MASTER series specifically to get some cards they might want.

Depending on the card they are looking, let's say Goyf or Liliana, they might think buying the boxes is more worth it in the end of the day.

Stores crack open boxes all the fucking time to sell the boosters.

>>54649133
Wait do people unironically think Ponza is good? If you want to run 4x Molten Rain why not play that snow red deck?

>>54649319
Master series are as popular for the reprints that were much needed to make the "chase rares" still more accessible. Notice the drop in price on the Zendikar fetches? These were good for people buying singles and incentives for those looking for good draft experiences.

>>54649277
I've messed with decks like this, and the problem is that I always end up slower and/or less flexible that Dredge. You spend mana filling the yard, they do it for free, and they can pull things out of the yard for free.

There's a comment in there about taking it to GPs and doing fine. Is there more data on that? I'm decidedly skeptical. T3-T4 40/40 is nice, but it's still one Push from death and I don't see much redundancy.

>>54649338

If Ponza isn't any good, then how come it keeps winning events?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/718278#paper

>>54649338
Hopefully not. There was hype around it a few months back, but I think that was just SaffronOlive trying to sell cards again.

>>54649372
>5-0ing a competitive league
>winning events
those are two different things onee-chan

>>54649349

What the fuck are you talking about?

The argument was "the master series sell better because of the lottery aspect of people cracking packs/boxes to get the singles they want"

You are just telling me a temporary effect. Check all the prices and after the prints of master boxes end, the prices go way up again.

Most magic players, the casuals, do NOT draft. They certainly don't draft sets that are way more expensive than the usual standard set because stores hike up the prices.

They spend their money on boosters, some cheaper singles and more recently, they just give up on the usual competitive constructed setting and make commander decks with any cards they have available.

Casuals, in general, do not draft and do not save money to play 50$ singles.

>>54649264
>Do you see that behavior? Guys ordering 5+ boxes trying to find singles?
I can confirm through my store owner that a huge number of people (can't say if it's the majority) buy boxes just to open them. Maybe those people play with the cards who knows. But occasionally some of those people will come back to the store to sell the unsorted singles, in mint untouched condition for some amount of credit, and use that credit to buy and open more product. Every now and then I will see someone in the store just cracking open a box, surrounded by wrappers.

There are people coming around all the time selling cards because they're running out of room at home. Every time you hear someone say, "I found these cards I forgot I had", it's those people who are driving so many sales; if they played the game they would know how expensive it is to acquire those cards but they are not in it for the game; they're in it to just open product just like an addict buys scratch tickets. Magic is just another scratch ticket for them.

>>54649364
>spend 2 mana for 2 rancors
>push the bird
>rancors back to hand
>Do it on other creature but the proc is even stronger

>>54649413
>The argument was "the master series sell better because of the lottery aspect of people cracking packs/boxes to get the singles they want"

That's not what was said earlier.

See >>54649140 where he says
>people have to buy tons to get the card they want.

He's saying people are buying boxes to crack packs for their target card as opposed to buying singles. I'm saying that's not why these boxes primarily sell.

>>54649372
That's a lot of MTGO results friendo. Is RU Prowess still in the top 10 for results, by volume?

There's 6th at SCG Atlanta, but that's not much. BW smallpox of all things placed at GP Las Vegas. Decks no one sideboarded against can usually sneak into a top8 with champion-autismo level piloting.

>>54649422
>the jank tank is filled with cards in 5 diffrent languages from all diffrent sets
as a jank pro i can tell you this triggers me the most.
mind you i do have a foreign lightning bolt from this

>>54649436
>meanwhile they use their remaining mana to put an unanswered threat on board
We can armchair magic for hours and get nowhere. It's a deadend line of discussion.

I guess there's no data on the mentioned GP? I just want more than goldfishing results to work with. Xmage or MTGO games would be fine for an acknowledged shitbrew.

>>54648688
>sperg out about netdecks

I don't think I'll ever understand why anyone does this.

>>54649524
>putting a creature down on your turn
nigga this isnt yugioh
also cant find the gp results had a funky name.

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>>54635565
What sort of memes can i pull with this?

>>54649461

Here, another anon: >>54649422

Those boosters in the second post I made also come from boxes, that stores buy to sell.

That's the whole point of chase rares and mythics. That's literally the sales pitch and how wizards makes money.

They sell boxes of random cards and people have to buy the boosters/boxes to get a chance to get the cards.

Master series boxes have the most wanted cards in the formats they are in, so the boxes move more because people want the cards in the set.

Stores buy more boxes, sure, but lots of people buy the boxes for the singles too.

Your assessment that people buy master series because the "draft enviroment" is better is only half-truth. IT's a desirable draft enviroment because the cards are straight up better than in other sets. Of course people like draft where they can open 10$ commons and 100$ mythics.

The idea that people save money to buy singles and don't bother with the boosters/boxes enough to warrant the popularity of the master series is wrong because most people don't treat opening boosters/boxes as an investment or as something that might be wasteful. They have money available and they want to try their luck.

That's the whole thing. Boosters/boxes are lottery tickets, Masters series has the biggest average payout in terms of cards, they buy more of the set.

>>54649573
shitty equipment without stoneforge in the format isn't worth it

what card is this format sleeping on.
I think solemnity is going to fuck tron in its loose boipussy

>>54649653
Solemnity only screws with one card in Tron.

>>54649653

Solemnity works with +1/+1 counters too, right?

It could fuck things up for affinity, yes.

>>54649653
Oh no, not my chalices!

>>54649675
>>54649683
>>54649706
>No other suggestions

>>54649741
Claim//fame and crucible snake have some potential. Probably going to pick up a playset of the latter while it's still cheap.

>>54649741
Ask shitty question get shitty answers.

>>54649573
Play it with Zurgo bruh

>>54649799
Ok fine you ask a question while waiting for ti7

>>54649865
how do you picture eg blowing it this year

>>54649741

Hmmm, let's see.

As Foretold might get some play. With some ramp, you could play it on T2 and act as an anti-chalice.

Hmmm, Fraying Sanity might bring Mill back for a little bit

>>54649883
>eg
shitskins out NOW

>>54649941
this is a fear thread pls leave

>>54649977
i bet you're a tron player

>>54650035
no i play burn

>>54648927
You clump your lands together on the board. If u rush shuffling they might stay clumped in the deck.

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>>54650137
Then wouldn't "pile shuffling" actually be useful? Going through each card would ensure the lands aren't being clumped and that the shuffle is actually random.

>>54650273
>>54650137
>>54648927

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJubaijQbI

>>54650273
As always, if pile shuffling does something predictable to your deck order, you cheated. Just riffle/mash correctly and recognize that land clumps will happen in a randomized deck

>>54650273
Thats adding a consistent value to something that should be completely random. You can get a judge call for that truthfully

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My friend ran into Caleb D playing UW /ourguy/ Monument in a Modern League. If he was streaming RIP me missing it

who is the tupac of mtg cards?

>>54649219
Remember that sweet t1 simian spirit guide + vessel of volatility so you can geosurge a 7 drop on turn 2.

>>54651792
Twin

>>54639388

I'd be hyped if Chalice, keep that shit in legacy.

>>54651906

How can you not beat Chalice?

>>54651887
>CALL THE COPS IF YOU SEE SPLINTER TWIN

>>54650273
>the lands aren't being clumped
>the shuffle is actually random
Pick one.

>>54651991
Clumped as in sticking together because sleeves can sometimes do that.

>tfw I pile shuffle just to agitate fedora lords

>>54652052
>Not actually shuffling

>>54652188
>implying I can't do both

>>54652188
You can shuffle normally and pile shuffle. The fact that it might tilt someone who cares way too much about the ordering of a deck he's going to cut before the game starts anyway is just straight positive EV.

>>54649573
Decent 1of in Quest for the Holy Relic/Erynamo (or however you spell that Kamigawa flipcard that counters shit)
Look up Modern Quest for the Relic and you'll find some decent packages to enable the jank you seek.

>>54649933
Fraying Sanity and Traumatize might pull some surprise SCG wins, but it won't make even tier 3 unless a proper solution to Emmy/kozzie/moggy/etc. appears.

The moment people sideboard, the deck dies. Surprise wins, and little else.
Maybe as a secondary wincon in another deck, but not alone.

>>54652308
Leyline of the Void?

>>54651743
Do you think /ourdude/ Caleb browses here, or just happened upon that list?

caleb if you're reading this play b l u e s t a f f

Also, what do you think of 3 Hussar 3 Monument, or 2 Hussar 4 Monument? 3-3 split seems good, but 2-4 seems more aesthetically pleasing.

>>54652308
It's great in non-traumatize, run-of-the-mill mill lists, works really well with Memeric Orb/Mind Funeral/Crab etc, card is nuts.

As far as maindeck spaghetti titans go, 2 maindeck surgical is IMHO one if the better ways to hedge against that. If you know their exact 60 you can pull of greasy shit while milling them (deducing what's in their hand to thoughtseize, picking apart combros, trolling snapcasters), and very worst case it's a mill3 for 0mana

>>54652322
Needing to bring a 4-of that's an awful top deck has never been a choice option, even with heavy library filtering balancing the risk.

Why don't Green and Blue get along? All the other enemy colors do, but all UG has produced is Bogles, Eternal Command, and Infect.

>>54652490
Bogles isn't even UG. Just GW.
Eternal Command is not a deck even though there's one idiot in these threads pretending it is. Kinda wish it was though, EWit definitely way up there in my favourite cards.

>>54652490
UG is basically the backbone of Scapeshift. Probably more worth mentioning than the GW Boggles deck.

>>54652517
>>54652490
Devotion to Green with a blue splash for Kioras and Nissa
>turn 1 forest arbor elf
>turn 2 forest utopia sprawl, kiora+garruk+nissa, go

>>54652575
RUG scapeshift is deader than dead.
Now that RG Valakut has access to more Forest Mountains it has no need for Island Mountains.

>>54652638
I think things other than Cinder Glade did that duder

>old meta
>hold up remands and cryptics while ramping to scapeshift

>new meta
>ramp to scapeshift

Really make u preordain

So what's making the modern format so shitty right now?

The general consensus I'm seeing at my LGS is actually that modern is in the best shape it's been in for a long time just because there's a lot of variety and it's enough variety that you can play basically whatever you want.

The only real issue is everyone agrees DS should be banned at this point.

>>54647343
HYMM TO TOURACH or Sinkhole because tron is a cancerous tumor on the belly of modern.

>>54652330
The list went 5-0 in a league a couple weeks back and got some buzz

From the 2 events I've played 3/3 feels correct, Monument is a bit stronger, but legendary. The deck doesn't play enough artifacts to board hate, so it really only dies to K-Command and Decay, which means extra copies sometimes get stuck. Kinda the same with Hussar, as Thoughtseize is the only card that gets rid of him, but double forecast and just playing him are options.

>>54652695
Nice try, Tron is the thing that needs to go, probably Chalice so it's allowed to lose a couple matchups again. Shadow is totally fine

>>54653055
>>54653055
>>54653055
new

>>54652972

>t. Death Shadow Player

>>54652695
>So what's making the modern format so shitty right now?
The prices.

When you sit down and decide to try another deck, you to drop something like a hundred or more dollars for cards that will go in no other deck. I'm established, buying a new deck is usually just a matter of digging in some boxes; but for most people that isn't an option. If people could just buy a deck with little difficulty then everyone could just enjoy a variety of styles without having to bitch about the state of the format.

And I feel like the format feels nice. It's something to look forward to and you can play whatever you feel except most people can't. In five years interest and new blood into the format is dwindling because everyone has accepted the format is pretty much Legacy.

The promise of the Masters set was a let down. We just passed the third Modern Masters set and no surprise, nothing has changed from the first Masters set, except for the fact that it's a wholly shittier draft experience.

>>54653224

>Correction: It's a draft experience that has less value and pisses people off.