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First for Butte Hold.

How about another "mechs you wish were battlemechs" submissions?

Any news on the lawsuit? Is BT dead yet?

>>54626713
Don't expect to hear anything significant until next Christmas-ish. Trial doesn't start until next September.

>>54626126
Ten years later I still don't understand why it has a giant CRT monitor on its shoulder.

>>54626713
Hopefully not.

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>>54626883
That's a disco party light for when the mechs get together and boogie.

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>>54626633

I... what?

Any way, fuck ASFs, and fuck the GOTTAGOFAST Clans.

>>54627640

FFS, Paint.

Arms: 1 LB-10X, 1 LPL, 1 ER ML, 2 tons LB-10X Ammo.

LT: 2 DHS, 1 ER ML.

RT: 1 DHS, AP, ECM, 1 ER ML.

CT: LPL

H: ER SL

Legs: 1 DHS

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>>54626633
Found pic related recently.

Skullduggery 1A
IS TW non-box set
45 tons
BV: 1,207
Cost: 4,397,850 C-bills

Movement: 6/9
Engine: 270
Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 83 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 161/169 (Ferro-Fibrous)
Internal Armor
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Center Torso 14 22
Center Torso (rear) 6
Right Torso 11 17
Right Torso (rear) 5
Left Torso 11 17
Left Torso (rear) 5
Front Right Leg 11 20
Front Left Leg 11 20
Rear Right Leg 11 20
Rear Left Leg 11 20

Weapon Loc Heat
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Medium X-Pulse Laser LT 6
Medium X-Pulse Laser RT 6
Streak SRM 4 LT 3
Streak SRM 4 RT 3

Ammo Loc Shots
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Streak SRM 4 Ammo RT 25
Streak SRM 4 Ammo LT 25

Equipment Loc
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Targeting Computer HD

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>>54626160
Don't let your dreams be dreams, anon.

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>>54626633
Might as well throw this one out given their older and obsolete brother is in the game.

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>>54628009
I love you and the tank you rode in on.

Found this thing and thought it would have been a good clan pain in the ass.

2017-07-31 - Bastard Prime
Clan TW
100 tons
BV: 2,918
Cost: 23,890,000 C-bills

Movement: 3/5
Engine: 300 XL
Heat Sinks: 14 [28]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 152 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 307/307
Internal Armor
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Center Torso 31 47
Center Torso (rear) 15
Right Torso 21 32
Right Torso (rear) 10
Left Torso 21 32
Left Torso (rear) 10
Right Arm 17 34
Left Arm 17 34
Right Leg 21 42
Left Leg 21 42

Weapon Loc Heat
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Medium Pulse Laser LT 4
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4
Ultra AC/10 RA 3
Ultra AC/10 LA 3
LRM 15 LT 5
LRM 15 RT 5
LRM 15 RT 5
LRM 15 LT 5

Ammo Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
Ultra AC/10 Ammo LA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo RA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo RA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo LA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo RA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo RA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo LA 10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo LA 10
LRM 15 Ammo LT 8
LRM 15 Ammo RT 8
LRM 15 Ammo LT 8
LRM 15 Ammo RT 8
LRM 15 Ammo RT 8
LRM 15 Ammo LT 8

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>>54628574
Hell, how did I get a damn thumbnail?

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>>54626633
I feel like this should be a hover or wige quadvee (which I guess would be a LAM without a fighter mode)

Gentlemen...

How do we save Tharkad?

Nothing's gone right for us since we led Hanse steal Melissa away from us.

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>>54626633
>"mechs you wish were battlemechs"

...if only it could be so.

hi everyone I am new!!!!!!! holds up neurohelmet my name is katy but you can call me the Falcon of Doom!!!!!!!! laughing out loud... as you can see I am very honorable!!!! that is why I came here, to meet honorable warriors like me _…
I am 13 years old(I am honorable for my age though) I like to watch Trials of Positon with my sibmate(I am future khan if you do not like it challange me to a Trial of Refusal) it is our favorite type of trial!!! because it is
SOOOO honorable!!!! she is honorable too of cours but I want to meet more honorable warriors =) like they say the more the merier!!! laughing out loud... anyways I hope to make alot of bondsmen here so give me lots of batchalls!!!
STAAAR LEAGUUUEEEEEEEEEEE <--- me being honorable again _^ hehe...surat!!!!!

Coupling and field rations

The Falcon of Doom

>>54628964
You mean nothing's gone right for you since you let Katherine steal you from Victor.

I've never seen that pasta before, thanks I needed a laugh.

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>>54626633
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFr5FI1IckQ

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>>54626633
Ever since protomechs came into being, I wanted variants of these.
If there ever was a Clan Crab Meat, these would go perfectly along with clan versions of the Crab and King Crab.

>>54628973
Well, depending how the trial goes, you might get your wish.
Or you know... We all get fucked.

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>>54626126
Thanks to all the Anons who added to the pastebin over time.

Finally getting my chance to play on a table thanks to all the counters, rulesbooks and hexpacks

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>>54629519

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>>54629162
That game is so fucking great, but the bosses are so fucking weird.

>>54626633
TIKONOV STRONK

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>>54626633
This would have been a great updated version of the Wasp / Stinger combo.

>>54630125
Looks like a Vixen/Incubus/

>>54630626
It's from the failed Macross II.

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>>54629519
Nice.

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>>54628973
>>54629439
Say that the trial does go the way that fucks over Harmony Gold, what happens? Does Harmony Gold lose their rights to the designs and it goes to the guys who own battletech, ie would they not have to share it anymore?

If so, does that mean Macross can finally stop being cockblocked from coming over into North America?

>>54631722
I see that derpy Jagermech in the background, just hoping it wasn't noticed. Its arms are all kinds of all over the place too.

>>54631722
If Harmony Gold loses the rights, then it poses a nasty question: Who DOES have them? And who does CGL/Topps have to go to for a license after that? It's not like 'HG loses it, they become free for all' or anything.

>>54631722
>having a JagerMech standing there
>ASFs even getting within 700m of their target
Who the fuck is that pilot fucker is SO fired.

>>54628574
Glad you liked it, anon. I've always had a soft spot for tanks that exist in real life being ported into Battletech.
>mech
Breddy gud. Reminds me of a fat Cygnus.

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>>54632034
Well, Harmony Gold bought them off of Big West or whatever that japanese company was called. Wouldnt it revert back to japan? Or was it the Egyptian guy?

I have no clue what im talking about.

>>54631722
>>54632034
What's at stake is just the redesigned unseen and nothing more. Nothing would change as far as the classic unseen and I don't see any way of HG losing the rights to anything even being a possible result.

TRO Succession Wars pdf when?

Also, the last 3 touring the stars where posted threads ago, please update the op pastebin with them

>>54629252
Where are these from? They remind me of Gall Force but they aren't are they?

>>54634399

Those are Invid mecha. From Mospeada, or from the 3rd part of Robotech (New Generation) - take your pick. The one on the left is an Invid Scout Trooper, and the one on the right is an Invid Shock Trooper.

Regardless, HG is probably on their way with a lawsuit against >>54629252 anon for using those images.

>>54632034
My assumption? It goes to the Japanese to decide that one.
HG didn't really make anything but a bad dub that mashed three barely related anime together.
You're not going to see any Macross english dubs for as long as Harmony Gold clings to the Robotech franchise.
Though personally, I really wish there was some sort of nerd mafioso or something who was really into Battletech that would convince them to write some sort of contract that allows Battletech licence holders to reproduce the unseen for use in Battletech indefinitely, but I don't see that happening.

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>>54626633
Some sort of Dark Age MML7 ICE design?

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>>54626633
This design from Patlabor...

>>54632034
For the Unseen? A scattershot of Bandai, Takara Tomy, Studio Nue, and hell probably whichever creditors of Clover at the time of their bankruptcy are still paying attention. Bandai and Takara Tomy are still toy companies, so are going to be very unlikely to cut deals; frankly the only way most of the Unseen are ever going to be seen again is if HG somehow convinces an American court they have the right to sell them, because the Japanese will be uninterested as a matter of policy.

For >>54635276, you do know HG approved a Macross English dub a few years ago, right?
If HG loses control of the video content Studio Nue will be able to license other companies to release it directly, but HG has also been doing this and their holdup seems to be primarily about...

Item C. The "Macross" trademark in the US. This they have an extremely solid claim on, because trademarks have nothing to do with who invented what first, they just go to whoever applies first and aggressively enforces it because it's supposed to be a "this product is from the same people as the last time you bought it" guarantee. And this is why they're so enthusiastic about lawsuiting; how trademark works is that aggressively telling people "no Macross is ours alone" actually makes Macross theirs alone.
Relatedly, this seems to be why the Satelight productions have mostly removed branding like the VF-1 design itself and the UN Spacy logo. Everyone's best estimation is that "Super Dimension Fortress Walkuere Delta" could release tomorrow and be 100% in the clear, but every other licensor realizes that HG could make it a million-dollar lawsuit on a series that would charitably earn them $500k, and HG wants to leave that ambiguity while they extract every cent they can from Robotech (to, remember, make THEIR money back after being scammed by someone who couldn't actually sell them the rights.)

t. worked in licensing

>>54635601
dude, your crazy.

The rights were purchased to that Manga by Popps Magillicutty in 1973 from a Taiwanese teenager who lived with the infamous "boat people" who smuggled people up and through vietnam. He won them in a knife fight with the young boys mother, who he then later married.

I can't believe you've never heard of Popps Magillicutty.

>>54636133
Look, its not our fault the North Vietnamese government did not reimburse you for your talents, but what they choose to broadcast between the hours of 1 and 3 PM and whatever subliminal technology they are using is their business.

Communists are notorious for not respecting copyright claims.

>>54626833
Ya I doubt we'll be waiting that long to hear anything.

>>54636479

I think you've heard all you're going to hear from CGL any way.

They basically plead no contest and accepted judgement in default, then canned their plans for the reseen.

I think you'll only hear more from CGL in the unlikely event that PGI/HBS win the court case and they use it as the basis of an appeal. And I say unlikely because the odds that they'll settle out of court and/or lose are cumulatively higher than their odds of winning.

>>54635601
>Item C. The "Macross" trademark in the US. This they have an extremely solid claim on, because trademarks have nothing to do with who invented what first, they just go to whoever applies first and aggressively enforces it because it's supposed to be a "this product is from the same people as the last time you bought it" guarantee. And this is why they're so enthusiastic about lawsuiting; how trademark works is that aggressively telling people "no Macross is ours alone" actually makes Macross theirs alone.
>Relatedly, this seems to be why the Satelight productions have mostly removed branding like the VF-1 design itself and the UN Spacy logo. Everyone's best estimation is that "Super Dimension Fortress Walkuere Delta" could release tomorrow and be 100% in the clear, but every other licensor realizes that HG could make it a million-dollar lawsuit on a series that would charitably earn them $500k, and HG wants to leave that ambiguity while they extract every cent they can from Robotech (to, remember, make THEIR money back after being scammed by someone who couldn't actually sell them the rights.)

That's one of the bullshit parts.
It was fine when Macross Plus came to the US, when Macross II came to the US and one more got through before they sniped the trademark and demanded the Japanese to pay them.

Fatto chanso whaitto piggu.

It's funny because it at least shows they're aware the later shows are better than what they have and ling to so much they felt threatened by them.

>>54632034
The designs? Studio Nue.
However, as long as Battletech does not use the drawing from Macross again, they couldn't give less of a shit about what we do with the redesigns.

>>54635414
I don't know if this is good for that mech, but here's a try at it. Maybe someone can do better.

New Mek
IS advanced
35 tons
BV: 731
Cost: 2,679,660 C-bills

Movement: 5/8
Engine: 175
Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 58 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 116/119 (Ferro-Fibrous)
Internal Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso 11 16
Center Torso (rear) 5
Right Torso 8 13
Right Torso (rear) 3
Left Torso 8 13
Left Torso (rear) 3
Right Arm 6 11
Left Arm 6 11
Right Leg 8 16
Left Leg 8 16

Weapon Loc Heat
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HVAC/2 CT 1
MML 3 RA 2
MML 3 LA 2

Ammo Loc Shots
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HVAC/2 Ammo RT 30
MML 3 SRM Ammo RT 33
MML 3 LRM Ammo RT 40

Equipment Loc
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CASE RT

>>54639010
Well, it's cheap as shit and it critseeks at 21 hexes, but... I wouldn't rely on it in any extended action.

>>54626833
>>54626713
So with the lawsuits in the pipe, what's going to happen to our favorite franchise? Will the ShimSeen be discarded? Does this put the new game in jeopardy? Is there any way for Catalyst/PGI/HBS to fight this and win?

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>>54626633
They used all the great designs from the original Macross / Robotech, all except the best one

Although to be fair, the Destroid Monster looks more like a 150 ton, and it's shown configuration has 4 dorsal artillery cannons pretty evenly spaced, The standard construction rules couldn't really fit that

Might try to make a conversion of a King Crab KGC-0000 in a minute

>>54635276
>I really wish there was some sort of nerd mafioso or something who was really into Battletech that would convince them to write some sort of contract

Dude... if there was a nerd mafioso who was into BattleTech, he wouldn't be writing contracts, he would be putting out contracts. We wouldn't be hearing about a lawsuit, instead the media would be wondering why someone killed off a real estate development firm.

>>54640220

The Destroid Monster would have been a good showing for the Superheavy rules if they wanted something that didn't look like a complete joke.

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>>54640220
When you compare it in size to the other Macross mecha, it would clearly need to be a superheavy in BT. Although I'd guess 200t rather than 150t.

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>>54634399
>>54634851
Good eyes though; that's Artmic design work. One of the better studios, they were responsible for Gall Force, Mospeada, Bubblegum Crisis, MADOX, and a bunch of other stuff. Big names that came out of them include Shinji Aramaki and Kenichi Sonoda.

>>54640220
>all except the best one

actually anon...

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/?title=BattleDroids

I'm still amused that they reused the battledroids mini for the Bombardier. I don't know why, it just makes me giggle.

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>>54640220
Alright, so by the Fluff the Monster has three missile launch tubes in either arm and 4*400mm artillery cannons on its back,

To me, this sounds more like 6*Arrow IVs and 4*Thumpers, but I'm using introtech, and I said I'd convert this from a KGC-0000 because it sounded like the closest thing

Thus I substituted LRM 15s to represent the missile launch tubes, and AC/2s because they're long ranged cannons and the lightest AC I could mount, at this time I was basically out of tons

Luckily I didn't actually have to remove anything other than the weapons and the LAA/Hands from the King Crab, and I bought it another heat sink to keep it heat-neutral,

Moved 1 heat sink to let me mount two of the AC/2s in center torso, and the other two are lonely in their respective side torsos sitting ontop of their ammo,

would have been a more practical engineering choice to put the AC/2 ammo into the arms, but that didn't make as much sense from a fluff perspective

So here, have my lame excuse for a Destroid Monster, please refrain from laughing

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>>54640385
Oh goodness that's silly, so the Behemoth / Stone Rhino was originally envisioned as the Destroid Monster?

I guess that helps explain its two gauss rifles awkwardly forced into one barrel problem, but then, what were the other two dorsal barrels for?

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here's my post-jihad take on the Monster, at 190 tons

>>54640613
>190 tons
>2/2 movement
>quad iHGRs
[Approving Lyran Sounds]

>>54640498
More that the BD Behemoth was after the fact supposed to be Amaris' Folly that served as the basis for the Stone Rhino, with OG TRO 3055 phrased it so as to suggest Behemoth was the name of the original Amaris mech, but XTRO Boondoggles officially stats it and names it Matar.

>>54640220
>>54640316
I think the original fluff says the Monster is 285.5 tons. Okay I'm fine with that, but I remember the old Palladium books saying it didn't have a lot of ammo, like 10 shots per gun or something.

>>54640759
>but I remember the old Palladium books saying it didn't have a lot of ammo, like 10 shots per gun or something.
that they did

also it was 285 when most other mechs were in the ~20-30 ton range, so in battletech it'd be probably be more like 400-500 tons

which is enough for quad Long Toms and six Arrow IVs, which is the most accurate armament for the thing

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>>54640613
Nice, that's definitely far more worthy of the name Monster

>>54640643
That's pretty cool, I hadn't known about the Matar until now, sounds more like the Behemoth from MW4W with two side torso Gauss and a dorsal Large Laser

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>>54640827
Do the Superheavy Construction rules even allow for such a thing?

>>54640946

I think we are getting close to the Mobile Structure rules at this point.

>>54640946
200 tons is max superheavy.

The largest limiting factors tend to be the combat fusion engines after blakists fixed the actuator problems. On something that weighs 500 tons, you have to start talking about shit like stuffing dropship power plants into it.

You can make mobile structures as big as you want though. You just can't give them walking legs.

>>54640184
At this point it looks like Weisman's knowingly baited numerous people into investing in ventures that directly violate the legal rights of a known high capital IP marauder. There's no "oops" here. There's no way to make this an accident. Weisman is looking more complicit by the hour.

>>54640946
no, they do not, which is the issue

>>54641033

>Violate the legal rights

They have no claim to either the Shadow Hawk OR the Atlas which they are claiming.

>>54641059
They don't plan to actually claim those. They're just padding the case so they can "bargain down" to get what they're really after.

>>54641125
Translated from Americanese: they lie in court to extort money from independent small businesses less expert in legal affairs, and the law and the judges back them in the pursuit as something normal and in due course.

>>54641136
Yeah pretty much.

>>54640498
>what were the other two dorsal barrels for?
Ammo hatches, maybe.

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>>54626883
It's a spot light, here is a picture of the front line US tank at the time the Anime the Warhammer comes from was made, notice the huge spotlight.

>>54641642
Cyclops with monocle: the tank.

>>54641642
>>54641655
At the time the M-60 tank was designed IR equipment wasn't very good, so the spotlight is Infrared, it doesn't visably iluminate the tank at night unless the enemy has IR equipment as well. I think mostly it was a way to see at night without the giant "Bomb Here" sign of a visable spotlight, because Soviet tanks had the same kind of IR systems.

>>54626883
Yeah, BT is funny in that mechs use searchlights on vehicles that detect everything in visual, light amp, thermal, seismic, and goddamn magscan with internal equipment. Even worse is the fact that these equipment are still somehow so halfassed that night fighting incurs large penalties on mechs, and that a stupid floodlight will help negate those.

>>54641736
It's the future of the 80's

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here's my best try for a close to canon Monster
Using quad torso thumpers and Thunderbolt-5s

>>54631722
Harmony Gold never had the rights to the designs themselves, just the rights to produce the show in the US. Frankly, even that is in question because the guy who sold those rights didn't have the authority to.
It just hasn't been directly contested yet, and requires jumping into the quagmire of international copyright laws.

>>54641776
Have that thing waddle near an enemy spaceport with all of their dropships. Watch the fun.

>>54641776
that's actually pretty good
I'd use it

>>54641736
>Even worse is the fact that these equipment are still somehow so halfassed that night fighting incurs large penalties on mechs
Half assed nothing, the way BTs daylight/weather rules work none of that shit effectively even exists. Even the minor nod to IR with heat levels are so steep at 15 points that they rarely matter.

I'd say it's reasonable to just say standard rules are the basically way things actually work at all times, and that's why night fighting and similar rules fall under the optional realm just for folks that want extra flavor.

>>54641763
The issue here is that going by those rules even older than 80s tech was better.

>>54636838
That's the thing. Copyright can't be sniped, but trademark can, because trademark is a consumer protection rather than a creator protection.

You don't have to like it, but you do have to acknowledge that this is reality.

>>54635347
ICE-powered, 2 MML 7s and 2 MGs, I'd say.

>>54642310
Is a 80's kid, everyone was shocked by the effectiveness of US night fighting equipment in the '91 Gulf War. The details of what 80's equipment could do were clasified, so 80's game designers were basing their realish sci-fi technology on what they knew things could do, which was what 70's stuff could do. The same thing happened with Aliens, no one had man portable night vision.

>>54632300
They wouldn't lose the rights, it's a matter of what rights they have, which are distribution rights. The trademark clame is over reaching their rights, CGL, PGI, and HBS are not selling copies of the Macross films or show, so it's going to come down to HG not having standing to sue.

>>54641136
>Translated from Americanese

It's not Americanese, it's Legalese. Most sane Americans know our legal system is fucked, we just wouldn't be able to mass enough firepower to put them all down before the armed forces would be called in.

>>54643683
>sane Americans

See, there's where you wander into double negatives already.

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>>54640316
>When you compare it in size to the other Macross robots.

While it is true the design originally required a contigent of three pilots, they did minimize these things a lot after the Zentradi War.
Also, size is not exactly a great measure for BTech translations considering all Zentradi machines are designed for Zentradi and thus much bigger than Valkyries and Destroids so if the game were to incorporate that, they'd already be hitting the 100t territory for each of them.

>>54644213
Plus they're only 56% white.

When did Lyran and Feddie battle armor designs diverge in terms of what RCTs might be issued? Was it a clean split with the Lyran secession?

>>54646375
Pretty much. Which is basically all second generation suits. So you only get shares for Inner Sphere, Gray Death, and so on.

Ironically, doesn't seem the MUL took any of this into account and gives a bunch to each other despite being made years after the 3057 secession only to then make them exclusive during the FCCW. Like they all got destroyed in their big not fighting anything but a couple premier units sent for Bulldog/Serpent or something.

>>54646138
Even though the destroids were shorter, I think it was a good idea by FASA to make them 60-70 tons. Maybe the Stinger / Wasp should have been heavier.

>>54648681
Stinger and Wasp should have been variants of the same design, honestly. They should have mirrored that with the Phoenix Hawk too; a version that has a Large Laser and some missile racks; maybe an LRM5 and SRM2?

So apparently Clan Snow Raven has a naval phenotype in addition to the standard three. Is there any information on what exactly they're breeding for? Also does anyone have any pictures for what the aerospace pilots are supposed to look like?

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>>54648713
Totally agree.
Pic related, a new version, possibly, of an UAC/10.

>>54648730
Probably something zero-G resilient. The Aero phenotype looks... yikes. Okay, not that little people are gross, but take their worst proportions (increased cranial size and forehead, long body), give them anime eyes, then put them on a lanky body that's 5' tall. It's like all the shoops you've ever seen of what animu girls would look like IRL.

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>>54648873

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>>54648873
what happened to Misa?

>>54648681
Yeah. People think battletech mechs have scale/density issues, but they're downright lead blocks compared to macross

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What if Katherine and Yvonne had worked together to usurp the Steiner-Davion thrones?

What if it had been both of them against Victor (and later Peter)?

>>54650753
....a threesome?

>>54650753
Daoshen wouldn't have to hide his daughters parentage.

I'm looking for the BattleCorps Project Phoenix upgrades Total Warfare style record sheets PDF (BC-207). It's not in any of the mediafire links at the top of this page that have all the PDFs. Anyone happen to have this or know where I can get it? Thanks!

>>54650387
It's simple enough, really.
The Battletech weighst were pulled out of the ass of some developer who thought 20 to 100 with increments of 5 was a decent range.
The considerations of actual size and weight never once crossed their mind since it's unimportant and only became a thing once autism became rampant in the community.

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Is there much benefit to putting anything more than 30 armor on any location on a ship?

Everything gets sunk so easily. it would seem the most effective tactic is mass SRM's or LBX anything capable of crit seeking underwater.

>>54655534
Yeah, it's like they don't even have any hull partitioning, pumps or other measures against breaching. Yet another short-sighted mistake in BT development.

>>54655534
I sunk a Rapier that was chilling out in a harbor shelling my mechs once with a LRM infantry team I snuck into a nearby skyscraper. Big ships are nothing but a liability in BT if you can get into range on them.

The explody little patrol boat type stuff can be fun though.

>>54629850
The Drache makes sense if you look at it as an armored bulldozer. Its main job is combat engineering but it carries enough weapons to protect itself against any light mechs that manage to slip past the front lines.

What's your favorite AFFS regimental insignia?

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>>54656379
The Crushers of course. I can't find a good resolution picture of them though.

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>>54656522
Have some old school Davion art of some tankers and infantry though.

>>54656533
Is...is that Ian McCollum on the right?

>>54657112
Very funny. In-universe, it'd more likely be Cranston Snord, which in fact falls awkwardly close.

For anybody who's been tracking this, yes, this is Solaris VII's own Duncan Fisher narrating the trial run of the EP-1 Eagle MegaBot. The duel with Japan is scheduled for later this month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePINYZK4p5Y

>>54659080
This is one of those moments that honestly let me feel like an excited little kid again. I love this project so much. Really hope this sort of thing makes it to the genuine arena sport level in the next decade.

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>>54659080
Ah. The American robot is built on a conventional motive platform due to being unable to carry its own weight with its actual legs to any meaningful measure. How very germane.

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>>54659080
Oh, it's this crapshoot again. I still want to see the old guy wrecking them somehow.
Someone with that sort of willpower deserves to win no questions asked.

Anyway, on the topic of real robots, they have confirmed Unicorn they're building in place of RX-78-2 is going to be fully transformable, with a video of the horn turning into the V-fin in real scale.
Pretty impressive shit.

>>54659277
Have you seen the Kuratas you dipshit? It has wheels for feet. It's not a walker either.

>>54659412
Oh. Hurt in the feelings, are we? I do not present the point because I want to make a honest comparison, I make it because I enjoy making fun of fat Americans.

>>54659471
No, not hurt in the feelings, just annoyed by the amount of stupid it takes to be that willfully hypocritical.

>>54659412
Not him but Kuratas was made in a garage in rural Japan by a smith, Soviet-style.
Making a walker is possible if you have the dosh. Koreans made one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0ZadoooI0

Kuratas never had the kind of money to do that but these guys have a several times the amount of money on hand and could have done so.

>>54659537
Kuratas is a rideable and user-operated mecha built by the Japanese company Suidobashi Heavy Industry.
>Suidobashi Heavy Industry

I won't disagree it was built in a garage, but lets not joke about what you can do in a garage owned by a Japanese industrial corp.

>>54659590
>Japanese industrial corp

It's literally the name he's given to his garage.
Suidobashi Heavy Industry is not some Japanese zaibatsu, it's just a slightly more professional way of promoting it than saying "Yeah, guys, I made this shit in the garage during my spare time. Wanna buy one?"

>He explains that "it takes money to make things, and it takes money to borrow more money. My thinking was that if I paid for the whole thing myself I could get it done more cheaply."
>Building the robot took a lot of trial and error. Rather than start with engineering diagrams, Kurata’s starting point was a series of scale models. When it came time to start the build, the artist found that he didn’t know very much about electronics or hydraulics, and was forced to pick things up as he went along. Even now, all of the mech’s assembly is handled by Kurata, who slings the massive slabs of metal around his workshop single-handedly with an overhead crane he bought from Yahoo Auctions. He would like to experiment with walking mechanisms, but current space and equipment constraints make that difficult. Remedying the situation is apparently the first thing on his agenda.

The fact you even believed it was done by some industrial corporation speaks volumes about just why I love the fuck out of what that guy's doing.

Anyone else remember when we would let the dice do the shit talking? ...some of the trolling is like watching hellbringer roll dice, sad.

>>54660294
What? The >>54659916 stuff is true, and good at that. The future of mecha is being forged by MANLY PASSION.

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>>54660447
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the fat Americans guy.

>>54659471
Stop shitposting, faggot.

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No more bad posting. Post Mr. Mackies!

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Mr. Mackie!

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>>54661522

>>54655534
Neither srms or lbx function underwater. LRT's are where it's at, followed by SRTs.

>>54662495
I think he means ground units hitting naval ships

>>54661439
>>54659531
Now now, soothe your rump rumpus. I merely made a joke with particular attention to truthfulness. You're just coming along and being offended all of your own accord. As if it was your personal indignation.

>>54662831
Not our fault you're not funny faggot.

>>54662932
Why is that relevant in any way? You're just going out of your way to be offended and upset. Does it say "being upset general" on the OP post?

Come along now. Time to let go of the anguish of being fat. You are inconveniencing society, much like a fat american flowing out of his plane seat onto other, normal passenger.

>>54662982
But anon, Britbongs are fatter than Americans now. Why so hung up on fat? It's not the fat general either, >>>/d/ is thataway.

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Gentlemen, can we talk about robits and robit relates accessories?

>>54664125

No. I'd talk about how all people from a different country and/or culture than I are objectively bad and should all die.

There's nothing new or interesting left to talk about regarding Battletech anyway. Unless and until CGL and HG are burnt to the ground and their ashes scattered and their failures have exited living memory, there never will be anything worthwhile about Battletech again. Fuck Battletech, fuck licensing, fuck HG, fuck CGL, fuck lawyers, fuck this thread, and fuck you.

>>54664181
There's /pol/, /int/, and /hist/ for that. Post robots or shut the fuck up already.

>>54662982
>"being upset general"

next thread title right here.

>>54664125
>28 KB PNGGentlemen, can we talk about robits and robit relates accessories?

Sure, Howabout how awesome Robot Girlyman is? :DDDD

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>>54664388
>Post robots

>>54664472
I ran out of good material last thread unfortunately.

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>>54664181
>and fuck you

Bastard better buy me dinner first if you even want to cuddle.

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I should stat this.

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>>54664577
>I should stat this.
so i did

>>54664388
>Post robots
If you want robots, I would suggest /a/ instead. There's no robots here.

>>54664181

/pol/tardation aside, this post isn't actually wrong, tho.

>>54664699
It's sure not right when most of the thread hasn't even read 2nd Succession War cover to cover yet.

I gotta get on that, but I've been distracted reading the old House Davion 80's book since that one guy asked about regimental schemes. It's funny how I never got around to it. Since they feature in the novels so much, all the relevant things about them never really required me to before since that's explained in the text, while I know the Kurita and the Marik one intimately.

Like I didn't know Hanse was actually gunning for a Periphery campaign against the Taurians before he got the Helm Core in search of Star League secrets and easy production. I always thought that was tinfoil peripherat sabre rattling. No wonder they were spooling up for war.

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>>54664577
on second thought that should be a MAD II, especially in comparison to
>>54664472
this guy.

So have MAD II stats.

>>54665068
>It's sure not right when most of the thread hasn't even read 2nd Succession War cover to cover yet.
Don't blame me, I'm waiting for GenCon to buy my hard copy, then I'll read it cover to cover. Definitely plan to get a copy though, looks fucking sweet.

>>54661687
He wants to hug, but can only destroy

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>>54661522
>>54661535
>>54661687
>>54661817
>>54662036
You know, for all Battletech borrowed from Macross, I can't help but see a little bit of Akira Toriyama in the Mackie.

>>54666417
Mackie is early 1985 so, you know, not really.

>>54667191
Surprisingly for this franchise, I'm not saying the design was copied wholesale in this case, but the general style just gives the impression of some of Toriyama's robots.

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>>54667292
Just saying the FASA nerds watched bootleg anime, not read manga and that Red Ribbon mech came out after the Mackie.

So the chance of the Mackie being inspired by Toriyama is like 0%.

It's more like both are inspired from the source of diving hardsuits from the late-70's.

>>54665068
>I didn't know Hanse was actually gunning for a Periphery campaign against the Taurians
You mean the thing about absorbing independent worlds near the Outworlds Alliance?

>>54666417
It's really only half-macross.

The other half is from Dougram.

More people make a big deal about the macross stuff because a large chunk of early players got into the game just because they wanted "Robotech: The boardgame"

Also I'll admit, Macross had much better mechanical design aesthetic, but they blew their wad drawing space jets, leaving all the really good looking designs in the background getting blown up by errant farts. It took Battletech to give them a decent bit of limelight and no surprise that they end up being more popular than the "Star units" of Macross. Still, the Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, and 55-tonners are iconic designs that inspired just as well. You can't say that the Zeus - one of the best looking in-house designs - was drawing from Macross for inspiration.

Plus Crusher Joe, but I've never found the scenes with the locust in them.

I am still waiting for the war crimes scene where a (cocky) guy goes around killing people with his dick gun, forcing them to "dance. varmit!".

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>>54667292
I only ever saw a baseball umpire, honestly.

>>54668926
Honestly, its demoralizing to be killed by a mech's dick gun, but its kind of demoralizing to have one in the first place.

Mechs need bigger dick guns

>>54668959
Its not a dick gun.

Its a crotch cannon

>>54665068
I don't have a tablet, and I do most of my BT-reading on the shitter, desu.

So long as it's PDF, it remains reference and/or for cutting and pasting images to post in /btg/.

>>54668990
not a pee shooter?

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>>54669008

>>54668905
>You can't say that the Zeus - one of the best looking in-house designs - was drawing from Macross for inspiration.

The hell we can't. It's got two arms, two legs, a definable head, some guns, and is a warrior robot piloted by a human. That's exactly the same thing as our lawfully licensed property.

Adding that to the list alongside your "Atlas", so-called.

Legal Department
Harmony Gold, USA

>>54669032
how about an ERPP?

>>54669079
No claiming it shares crit slots with your side torso, we all know thats bullshit.

>>54641125
Clan Harmony Gold?

>>54669112
That's what compact engines and gyros are for man. Along with interface cockpits, BT is prime to enter the golden age of dick guns.

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>>54669290
I submit my canidate

>>54669050
They might as well sue Legendary studio for making Pacific Rim since especially Strike Eureka and Coyote Tango look a lot like mechs in Robotech.

>>54669050
Hello, Catalyst Observer.

>>54664577
Statted this one up as a Clantech Marauder II - 2x cGR, 2x cERLL, 2xcERML, Nova CEWS, armored cockpit, 3/5/3 with endo-composite and FF.
>>54664472
Marauder IIC - 3x LB 10-X AC, 2 MPLs, 3/5/3, armored cockpit. Something about these designs says armored cockpit to me, not sure why.

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Hear the beat of my drum barrel Longbow...

>>54671260
>Clantech Marauder II
Cute. And yeah, either armored or two-man unit. Hmmmmm...ah, fuck it, rich Lyrans can afford Clan shit. Stat it out fully, I wanna see. Don't forget the jump jets.

>>54668218
No, the thing about conquering the Taurians and setting up Rat style staging bases in the uninhabited Fronc to be able to attack the Capellans from the Victoria side.

>>54668905
>I've never found the scenes with the locust in them.

The locust is only in Crusher Joe the Movie, not the OVA's. They're front and center in the base attack scene. You should watch the movie, it's great.

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>>54673215
forgot my picture

>>54669314
Benis :-DDDD

>>54657112
>hi i'm Ian McCollum and thanks for tuning in to another episode of forgotten mechs

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このメックとパイロットに大いに不満だ、専用機なら腕に大型クローとか頭にトサカ付けるとか、パイロットも機体と同じ悪役メイクするとか、もっとすっべきだ

>>54674580
I kinda like Titanfall.

The Titans make me think of ProtoMechs.

Seems catalyst cant discern between a volunteer and someone expected to work for free.

>>54675085

What the hell did Catalyst do NOW?

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I just got off work and I'm getting drunk! Its time to shitpost custom mechs! Who likes RWBY?

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>>54675318
more where that came from. I got the whole team!

>>54675098
He's probably talking about how the demo team volunteers are supposed to get credits for stuff at the Battleshop both for their work and to offer as prizes in tournaments.

My guess anyhow.

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>>54675350
blake is like... my least favorite.

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>>54673035
Here ya go. Had to redo it in SSW to get a decent printout. Damnit, MML.

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>>54675402
and yang, best girl, of course.

>>54675460
>>54675402
>>54675350
>>54675318
>.pdf
Y u do dis?

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>>54675460
let's not forget zwei! need this bastard to round out the BV against the JNPR mechs i also made.

>>54675481
its what I have on hand. I haven't made the text print outs and I can't really be bothered right now, I got a double shift in like... ten hours.

>>54674580
>このメック

It's funny when people screw up their Japanese like that, mere 2 words in.

教えて、名無し先生!
It's robot (ロボット), or the specific name associated with the franchise, so titan (タイタン) in this case.

>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB2

>>54675098

Basically the new development thread devolved into a "you should volunteer...and code for free"

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>That rocket pod is dum

>Why have 9 big rockets when you can have like 90 small ones that do the same job??

>>54675642
Because LRM-15s predate MML-9s and ATM-9s?

>>54675565
What you should do is what Rick did. Code a mech gen program on your own, then show it to catalyst and ask them to be allowed to sell it.

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Rate my company:

1 Lance:
>FLS-8K Flashman
>ARC-2R Archer
>GHR-5H Grasshopper
>WHM-7H Warhammer

2 Lance:
>BNC-5S Banshee
>CN9-A Centurion
>VND-1R Vindicator
>CGR-1A1 Charger

3 Lance:
>QKD-4G Quickdraw
>WFT-1 Wolftrap
>HER-1A Hermes
>PNT-9R Panther

>>54676320
>CGR-1A1 Charger
I'm, I'm so sorry for that pilot, man.

>>54675793

Shit, if i had those skills, i'd be helping the MM team first.

>>54676320

I luke it, props for adding a banshee

>>54675642
You know what's even dumber? Tbolt cockpits on the wrong side.

>>54676442
>Sorry for having the premier kung fu salvage machine of the 3rd War


>>54676320
Spastic as fuck. Your mechs are from all over the place with a nominal Drac 3039'ish bent. Pretty sure there's no such thing as a Warhammer 7H either.

Legion of Vega/10

>>54676699
Wait, just remembered the Wolf Trap and upgraded Banshee. Make that early 50's Drac. I would guess the Warhammer is supposed to be a 7K as well.

>>54676320
I'd modify the Charger to be a -1A5 model.

I forget the rules. Would that be a field modification?

>>54676612
Actually, i think the MWO's one is on the CORRECT side, because the LRM drum (stat-wise) is in the right-torso, while in all the old art it's obviously in the left torso with the cockpit sitting in the right.

>>54676862
Engine rating change is Class D Refit.
Probably it will be possible if you modify it at a maintenance facility over time.

>>54677011
>A stat typo is more important than the OG art
The really sad part is this is a total shitpost but I've heard retards say it a hundred times on the OF over the years even going back to the first Project Phoenix.

>>54677047
Well, all of the following artwork, like the forementioned Phoenix Project and the Primitive, all have the missile launcher on the right torso, with the cockpit sitting on the left. IF it was a stat typo, why not just errata it?

>>54677443
>IF it was a stat typo, why not just errata it?
FASA couldn't care less and Catalyst would have to invest some modicum of effort to combat the status quo.
Plus, for them it only deepened the differences between their one and the Dougram original, so more legal points for them, yay!

>But FASA wasn't so sh...
Do I have to remind you that time they took battlemaster from Mechwarrior and made it into Griffin IIC, making people scratch their heads for ages as to where the hell the supposed weapons are on that thing?
Cicada arm lasers? Blackjack arm lasers? Dragon gun arm?

>>54626883
Because LCD is gay.

>>54677875

Speaking of gay, I want to generate record sheets for some standard infantry types. Where the hell are the standard infantry record sheets (Foot/SRM, Foot/Rifle/Ballistic, Motorized/Rifle/Laser, etc) these days? Alternatively, what do I have to do and/or look in to build infantry platoons from scratch?

what mechs were the dracs actually manufacturing in 3025 aside from the dragon and Panther?

>>54677443
>Well, all of the following artwork, like the forementioned Phoenix Project and the Primitive, all have the missile launcher on the right torso, with the cockpit sitting on the left. IF it was a stat typo, why not just errata it?

Read the Project Phoenix entry. It says specifically they swapped the head and LRM assembly around for the new model to protect from exploding Gauss coils. Cockpit on the right side is correct for the real old beast.

Primitive was fucked that way specifically because TPTB were trying extra sure to make non-sueable primitives at that time. Shimmy told me that directly it was a command from the higher ups to put the head on the wrong side.

>>54678431
Stinger LAM's
Phawk K's
Quickdraws
Chargers
Atlases

When they lose their Atlas plant but pick up a new one on Quentin, they also get Victors and something else.

Possibly also Archers and Locusts but we don't know the dates on those plants. Similarly we don't know when exactly they brought their Wolverine production back online.

Their production wasn't exactly low, they had three different plants churning out Panthers but not a lot of variety.

>>54678548
Welp, i stand corrected then. I can live with that.

>>54678971
If you want some real irony, look at the new 2nd War Thud variant stats. Cockpit in the right spot, but LRM's still in the right torso stats.

I'd just treat it the same as the Marauder dorsal gun or the Behemoth's fuckery.

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>>54659244
Has someone built the Megabot Mk.III in BT yet?

Are you kidding me? The OF is goddamn down again? This company is a pure and simple disgrace.

>>54679105
And so the real match begins.
Once we see the final thing, we'll be able to compare Alex's work to ArtAnon's.
Does anyone have that one saved?

I just hope it looks good.
Alex does wonders when turning shitpiles into something decent looking but he struggles when making reneditions of non-shit looking stuff like the MW4 originals.

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>>54679105
I will not be satisfied until I get an Annihilator and an internet provider that isn't fucking satellite.

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>>54679407
This one? Imo Alex's is already better.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!

>>54679452
>and an internet provider that isn't fucking satellite.

Don't tell me you play multiplayer games over satellite.

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>>54679556
I would never be so foolish and masochistic, I just play single player games waiting for the day I can make an annihilator and melt faces with 64 clan machine guns.

Thanatos... I feel the biggest thing that mech needs is more detailing. And fixing that shitty cockpit.

There's no way I am running an XL engine in one though when it comes to MWO, those giant boob sides are gonna be lethal to that.

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BOOM

>>54679644
>I feel the biggest thing that mech needs is more detailing.

Well, Alex seems to disagree.
Comparing it with >>54679469, it's even more detail-bare.

>>54679861
Fucker, you beat me to it on mere miliseconds.

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>>54679861

>>54679861
Damn, that thing is gonna have no peripheral vision isn't it.

How fun is the Battletech RPG to play? I've been thinking of putting a campaign together.

>>54681327
It's fun, but leads to many gm's lowballing offense directed at pc's due to how heavy wounds are, and how unreliable defensive measures often are.

What are some mechs that work well with an XL engine?

And can you put a Clan engine in an Inner Sphere mech?

>>54681803
Why would you? It's better to leave a Clan engine in a Clan 'mech most of the time.

>>54681893
I dunno. Say you find a clanner engine in a depot. Can it be swapped out? I feel like the lower tonnage and superior performance would be worth it.

>>54681927
Realistically, if you have a depot handy and techs familiar with Clantech, sure.

With the new rules, I don't think so. You have to have similar rated engines from 'mechs of the same tonnage to do engine swaps now.

Most sane people ignore this rule.

Warhammer or Marauder: which feels more drac?

>>54682148
They are an old design, so just paint them red or something and they both kind of work for me.

>>54681803
Anything without ammo is the most obvious choice, or when you get to a tech level that allows you to mount CASE II.

Technically you can, but it's not a good idea due to the time required along with the facilities needed. The gains would be minimal.

>>54675793

>What you should do is what Rick did. Code a mech gen program on your own, then show it to catalyst and ask them to be allowed to sell it.

If you did that you would be told no. Rick has all the unit creation software rights in perpetuity because that's how FASA did things back then.

>>54679236

Well, maybe instead of complaining about it you should fix it for them! For free! Like a real fan would! CGL is a small company with limited cash flow and mostly staffed by volunteers, after all. It's not fair to expect them to be able to do what other gaming companies do, even if those companies are smaller than CGL and make less money.

>>54678658

They get retconned into building the Lancelot (at LAW, IIRC) as well.

The Wolverine is at Marduk.

Locust and Archer are definites but those were in the Rasalhague Prefecture and go bye-bye when they leave.

>>54682148
Warhammer. Loads of famous Dracs used them over the years, and they have a pretty good local variant. They were the panther commanding machine of choice before the Grand Dragon as they were like two panther's duct taped together. Marauders aren't really Kurita at all. Production was concentrated in all the Rimward states since the Star League. Neither the Lyrans or the Snakes had a ton. Marauders were always known as pretty rare mechs on the field in the first place as they were always preferentially targetted. They would have gone the way of the 2750 machines if they didn't have like five factories still churning them out accross the Sphere.

>>54681803

Typically, the two best uses are on units that are over-engined in their stock model, like the old and unloved Charger. Drop an XL Engine in that and you get over 25 tons to play with or on units that are so light they're dead meat if things hit them any way so the extra firepower or speed you can pour on makes more of a difference.

You can salvage a Clan engine and fit it to an IS machine but unless you want even more problems when you do that refit project it needs to be an engine that matches the rating and tonnage/walk speed calculation of the original. Replacing IS XLs with Clan ones is good if you can though, means they don't die to a side torso loss any more.

>>54682249
>hey get retconned into building the Lancelot (at LAW, IIRC) as well.

I know. I just refuse to acknowledge TRO:3039 retcon fuckups.

Dracs don't pick up Marduk until the actual War of 3039 as well.

>>54682355
Fourth War I mean.

>>54673841
FUND IT

>>54682249
>Locust and Archer are definites but those were in the Rasalhague Prefecture and go bye-bye when they leave.

The locust factory was the one refitted into the IIC factory by the Bears and we didn't know its operational status. The Archer factory we know was operational by 3050, but not its status in 3025.

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okay seriously what the fuck is going on with the OF...

>>54682148
Warhammer

>>54682426
Nothing, it's fine? Just checked, everything is good. Maybe your connection is crapping out?

>>54682418

Locust one was captured by the Wolves, who later lost it to the Bears. It was functioning then.

Pretty sure the Archer factory was confirmed as active then too.

>>54682355

>Dracs don't pick up Marduk until the 4th War as well

That's what I meant, they weren't building it.

Even with the few retcons they get from TR 3039 they have shitty variety and a lot of what they do build is pretty bad. They should have retconned in a Warhammer line (or lines) instead of the Lancelot and that fucking retarded Catapult variant, given them a BLR plant, but the Feddies would rage because muh Hanse even though the Dracs were one of big users of the machine. Maybe add a Stalker factory and the Crab while they're at it.

>>54682489

It's up now (that's what she said) but has been down for a few hours and very frequently goes off-line, even after their change to their better, cheaper hosting service that will totally fix all the connectivity and security issues we've had, we swear.

>>54682507
I'm a fucking Feddie and I agree with you. Takashi was just as famous for his Beemer. It was the old 3020's mirror ride rivals thing.

Honestly, the Dracs were pretty crippled after they lost Rasalhague. Lost their primary panther factory and a lot of other good stuff. The authors kept trying to sort of make it up on the back end by adding more and more lines to LAW Luthien but it was just a fucking mess. They needed a plant for something over Galedon way or on one of those former OA worlds on the Spinward Periphery.

>>54682507
>he Crab while they're at it.

No. Fuck adding 2750 chassis at all. The Crab 20 is up there with the Marik Thug/Guillotine and the Capellan Highlander refit as top fuckups of TRO:3039

>>54682644

Cat's out of the bag now, anon. They had to retcon the old machines in to replace the Unseen, they should just have made sure they fit the local flavour before dropping them in. That's the only thing that bugs me.

>>54682733
>They had to retcon the old machines in to replace the Unseen

That was 3025R which was an even BIGGER fuckup. 3039 was their chance to set it right after they had already decided to keep the unseen. And they just fumbled the shit out of it instead.

>>54682644
>"I Hate Fun" the post
>t. 3025 grognard

>>54682769
I've read more Dark Age and modern canon than you. You know what's not being a grog? Wanting them to quit fuckin around back in the 3020's and messing things up and actually get moving forward.

>>54682767

I thought TR 3025R was "oh lol pls to be ignoring major plot point of War of 3039 fluff, turns out everyone has refitted SLDF 'Mechs" and TR 3039 was when they went "oh lol pls to ignore all previous fluff, many SLDF machines remained in production and incidentally the Cappies randomly lost the manufacturing rights for the Highlander because fucked if I know, Coleman just told me they had to be building it during the SW era."

>>54682837
3025R has production

>>54682882

Welp.

I don;t know why we still hope CGL will stop fucking up. Battered wife syndrome, I guess.

>>54673186
I missed that - which page is it on?

>>54683158
Relationship section. The Comstar part is funny too because it talks about how the Golden Five and Hanse hates the fuck out of them and treat them like quacks and charlatans while the Outback venerate them almost like demigods.

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So, gentlemen, what can I (legally) do to harm Harmony Gold as maximally as possible?

>>54683274
Buy the company, sell the assets to the lowest bidder, dissolve Harmony Gold as a legal entity. Boom, done all clean and legal.

>>54676320
Rate my Star

5 Timber Wolf Primes

When are we going to see the fucking fafnir in mwo?

>>54683274
Do you speak Japanese? Get in contact with our overseas friends and work to get them involved.

Also, fun fact for the day. Only about half the murders in this country are ever solved. Not really related to anything but something worth sharing.

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>>54683229
Ah okay, I think we're looking at the same thing, just reading it differently.

>>54683340

Bumfuck undersupplied AFFS March Militia/10.

>>54682644
I disagree with you only because the King Crab is too goddamn fun not to have available in 3025. On literally everything else I agree

>>54682644
Them not being consistent with the 2750 stuff and being so retcon-happy is the real issue here, I agree. But adding diversity to the very very limited 3025 environment in terms of 'Mech selection and force comp is a good thing, not a bad thing. Remember, even with the increased production numbers of the shoddy 3039 retcon, the military sizes in Battletech are still laughably tiny. 12 Battlemechs defending an entire world? Really? I mean come on. In a game about giant fightan' robutts condemning adding more giant fightan' robutts to the game is all sorts of silly. You can be upset at how they HANDLED it, but the actual act was a good idea overall. I have my own personal thoughts on how they can do it better, but they're just like, my opinion man. Just like this post. So don't get bent out of shape.

>>54683932
There's nothing wrong having some random relic or cache find in a 3025 game. There is everything wrong with making it available to everyone all the time and messing up huge swathes of storylines. Canon availability never stopped tabletop shenanigans anyway.

Besides, TRO:3039 availability for the King Crab is nearly extinct. No production and was a preferred target so "only a handful remain".

>>54684023
Not really. The whole point of the 3rd War era stuff is handfuls of mechwarrior knights in mechs with five times their number of attached trash conventionals turning the tides against one another and the only machines surviving being the most common and toughest designs of a bygone era or freaks of nature confined to the backwaters of civilization.

Straight up modern militarization belongs in the 3050's+.

>12 Battlemechs defending an entire world? Really? I mean come on.
When the only things worth taking on the average world are the spaceport/capital and the militia base most times then yeah. All the cities are written like they got less than a few million people anyway despite FASA's silly population numbers that should be like 1/100 what they are to reflect how most planets are written.

What Conventional or Aerospace fighters would you recommend i get? I'd like to keep my options open so i can bring in something for any game, be it 3025, SL (probably never), or Clan Wars era. We might even do Blakest era stuff at some time in the distant future.

>>54684250
Mechbuster. Nothing says "BRRRTTTTTT" like an AC/20 with an aerospace fighter mounted on it.

>>54684250
Who are you playing? Birds tend to be more faction specific than mechs. Can't really go wrong with some general purpose stuff like Stingrays, Corsairs, Lucifers, other stuff that's reliable, flexible and gets upgrades over the years.

>>54678431
>>54682507
>Warhammer line (or lines) instead of the Lancelot and that fucking retarded Catapult variant, given them a BLR plant, but the Feddies would rage because muh Hanse even though the Dracs were one of big users of the machine. Maybe add a Stalker factory and the Crab while they're at it.


Periphery factory talk last thread lead me to embark on a more general '3025 factory rebalance' effort, and this is what I've come up with for dracs, on the general principal that they should pose a genuine threat to the Lyrans and Suns at the same time
Thoughts?
>Stalker (LAW, lots of them)
>Battlemaster or Awesome, one of the two
>Warhammer
>Crusader
>Hunchback
>trebuchet?
>Locust (3ML variant), non-wrasslehog
>Regular Stinger

>>54683712
>tfw I've played a match against an AFFS March Militia
>tfw he had a Timber Wolf

Though to be fair, it was the commander's ride and he was a veteran of the Clan wars.

>>54682644
>the Marik Thug/Guillotine
Literally nothing wrong with that. The Mariks get shit for mechs most of the time, it's only fair they get those.

>>54684286
Got one already. I like to keep my options open though.

>>54684292
Mercs. No idea what faction.

How do i say this.... i'm not sure if, later down the road, some other players may object to me bringing a Stuka to a game or not, i'd like to keep something like a Boeing Jump Bomber or a Guardian Fighter on hand as something thats harder to complain about. GM is pretty based, but i'm the only serious jethead in the group. Forever a scone.

>>54684416
Why are you trying to give all the Marik manufacturing to the Dracs? Jesus.

Try Warhammer and Battlemaster. Bump up the remnant Whitworth numbers to Javelin numbers but likewise keep the production destroyed until the 50's. Increase LAM numbers from LAM Island. Make a new battle variant for the Quickdraw like the Lyrans did for the Banshee. Also a Wasp factory, because basically everyone is supposed to have one of those but we never got the locations for all of them.

>>54684416
That looks pretty reasonable, what do you give the cappies?

>>54684486
Get the SRM variant Mechbuster and load with infernos. Great against vehicles, infantry, and makes 'mechs even more cautious.

>>54684448
Thug makes no sense since the Burds are hurting for PPCs. Guillotine makes all kinds of sense though. The FWL should have gotten the Wyvern with the Thug going to the Dracs.

>>54684173
And yet with all the worlds and all the fighting, there would still be tons of machines, and none of the art, even from the game's inception, really agrees with the fluff, and the way people play doesn't either. If you are the sort to play games with 11 tanks and 1 'Mech against the same, or similar, then kudos to you for being the fluff jockey I cannot be, and most of us are not. But the fluff should reflect at least somewhat the way people play the game, and the fact that tanks are more often than not absent and instead it's masses of robutts means that leaning on the fluff to make your point isn't actually related to how the game is played by the majority of players. There will always be disparity, sure, but making the fluff more closely resemble the actual gameplay makes everything tidier.

>>54684416
I assume this is in addition to what they already make?

>>54684540
I have recently become aware of the beauty of inferno SRMs. I now mount them on a bunch of things. I saw one clanner's actually try to break off an attack and hide his Nova in some woods rather than press on a particularly accurate splatCat.

>>54684560
Birds are hurting for PPCs because most of their production run goes to Awesomes and Thugs, which are PPC-focused.

>>54684493
>Why are you trying to give all the Marik manufacturing to the Dracs? Jesus.

It's not like the Mariks get the page space to do anything with them, so the designs might as well go to a faction that actually maters to the metaplot.

>>54684585
If you're going to be using inferno SRMs, get as many Angels (Conventional SRM-4 carriers that go fast) as you can afford and load them all up with infernos.

>>54684585
Infernos used to be way better, but I suppose they were also broken, honestly. They used to be literal instadeath to vees, and 'Mechs too till they created the external heat cap.

>>54684448
Are you high?

Mariks make in 3025
All bugs including the Energy Locust and Rambo Stinger
Flea
Spider
Cicada
Hermes II
Vulcan
Pixie
Hunchback
Trebuchet
All the 55 ton trio including the best Wolverine (note they're the only state that makes all three)
Quickdraw
Rifleman
Crusader
Thunderbolt
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
Orion
Awesome
Goliath
Battlemaster
Stalker

AND have the biggest collection of battle-worthy LAM's in the Inner Sphere

>>54684560
Guillotine is retarded since it's a big thing that they bring production for it back online at that plant in the 50's as one of their first resurrected designs instead of refit junk.

>>54684644
>Are you high?
Are you an idiot?

They've gotten shit in the TROs. Hence my observation about it being fair to give them the Thug and Guillotine.

>>54684616
Is that why they refit so many Awesomes with LRMs? Huh. No, they refit all their shit with Large Lasers and LRMs because they can't even make enough to produce standard variant Awesomes.

>>54684560
That argument falls apart when you consider what most people play is small unit actions of twelve mechs or less.

>>54684621
Thanks man, but we're still using BMM with some TW (mostly tanks). When we start adding in fliers I'll keep that in mind.

>>54684630
That's cool to hear. Can you go in depth with the external heat cap? We just played with every missile adds heat, with no cap on the heat gained.

>>54684616
The Thug is literally made from a giant stockpile of PPC's they're sitting on. Warhammer PPC's. The same Warhammer PPC's Ronin are so short on that they're pulling them from their Marauder line and slapping LL's into those mechs.

That's how retarded the 3039 Thug entry is.

>>54684493
>Why are you trying to give all the Marik manufacturing to the Dracs?
Well, the logic is that basically all the mechs given to the FWL in the House X books were called generic 'everybody's got them' machines in 3025, and my overall reasoning is that if a mech is supposed to be universal, three houses and a Periphery state should build it, except in the cases of VERY early TH machines like the Orion, Banshee or Mackie
But I'll dump the treb, because that's a bit too far, admittedly. Maybe a low-production Whitworth factory out the OA way tossing them out here and there instead?
Incidentally I'd also give the FWL a small atlas line (ronin, maybe?) and maybe Grasshoppers. Maybe the scorpion also, because I do love that silly little quad, and it works remarkably well as a Hermes leader, as well as them being the only ones who make Goliaths anymore


>>54684500
Cruds, low stalker production, low-rate Thuds from Tikonov, and Ostsols

>>54684644
It's retarded to you, and that's cool, but for those of us that like the resurgence of 2750 stuff, it makes a lot more sense, especially because they start building it in 3050. All you have to do is assume they start building the "good" one again, that's all. But I'm not about to tell you how to play, and if you got bent out of shape over me fielding a downgraded one in a SW-era game, I'd probably take something else unless you were being an ass about other things too.

>>54684659
>Is that why they refit so many Awesomes with LRMs
How many do they do this for? Huh. Can't give a number? And the TRO doesn't list it as a Marik variant? Hmm, sorry your headcanon doesn't work.

>>54684658
>They've gotten shit in the TROs.

The best 3050 upgrades are Marik Upgrades. They get tons of mechs as well. Even a ton of the actually good 3060's Vicore mechs are Marik.

You're the idiot here bro.

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>>54678431
>reposting my response to same question last time it was asked, with a few updates.
Yori 'Mech Works, Al Nair:
>Atlas, Catapult*
Alshain Weapons, Alshain:
>Dragon (only mentioned in the original House Kurita book, may be a destroyed production line?), Locust (maybe? no mention prior to Objective Raids, after the Bears have taken the planet), Panther
LexaTech Industries, Hun Ho:
>Archer**
LexaTech Industries, Irece:
>Stinger LAM
Alshain Weapons/GKT, Jarrett:
>Panther, Phoenix Hawk (added 3050)
Nimakachi Fusion Products, Lapida II:
>Spider, Venom (added 3050)
Luthien Armor Works, Luthien:
>Charger, Dragon, Grand Dragon (3024, replaces all Dragon production ~3040), Hatamoto-Chi† (3039, replaces most or all Charger production), Jenner (3046), Lancelot*, Quickdraw
Norse Battlemech Works/Victory Industries, Marduk:
>(world recaptured from FS ~4SW)
>Griffin (3050), Wolverine
GKT, New Oslo:
>Phoenix Hawk**
LAW, New Samarkand:
>Daboku (3038, discontinued shortly after), Mauler‡ (3048)
Amalgamated Sword and Steel, Oldsmith:
>Warhammer**, Wolverine**
Independence Weaponry, Quentin:
>(world recaptured from FS during War of '39)
>Atlas, Jagermech, Marauder, Victor

* part of the infamous TRO3039 retcons, ignore if that bothers you
** only listed in early Succession War sources, like 1SW and FR2765:DCMS; these factories are probably destroyed early in the Succession Wars, explaining why they are never mentioned elsewhere
† early IRL sources put Hatamoto manufacture with Maltex Corporation on Errai, a FS world at the time; later (and therefore canonically superior) sources give it to LAW on Luthien
‡ early IRL sources put Mauler manufacture on Luthien, later (and therefore canonically superior) sources put it on New Samarkand

>>54684708
>TRO 3050 upgrades to existing mechs
>that's all you can name

i'm truly sorry you suffer from some form of retardation

>>54684701
Again, there's nothing wrong with bringing something to the table or even showing up as an oddball in fiction. What's wrong is having them walking around in force. It's the numbers.

>>54684663
>small unit actions consist of an entire planet's 'Mech forces
Kay. You got your opinion, I have mine. Most large games are predominantly 'Mechs too. Ask the Cinci folks and all that what they were doing; I bet I know the answer. Ask a demo agent from back in the day too. I'm actually curious which of us has the gist of it.

>>54684669
I think external heat caps at 10 now, so you can still cause ammo explosion/shutdown rolls, but you can't stack endless heat onto an enemy target anymore to cause auto-shutdown.

>>54684694
I think they'd need a bit more than that to not get rolled. I'd rather they didn't make the Stalker and made the Striker instead. Get rid of the Highlander, and give them the Cyclops instead to feed their AC/20 fetish. It's already associated with them anyway.

>>54684702
Kek. So mad. I don''t need to give you numbers, you know I'm right. Look at the late 2900 variant of the Awesome, and look at the Marauder variant they use. C'ya kid.

>>54684735
>Over twenty mechs under the three umbrellas I listed
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. Just because somebody doesn't write out Phoenix Battlemaster, Goliath, Hammer, Anvil, Albatross, Grand Titan, Apollo etc. doesn't mean it's not implied.

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>>54684768
>you're the one complaining about a TRO from 9 years ago
>can't disprove me
>try to call me mad

wew lad, that just crit'd my side torsos

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>>54684738
And I'm just advocating for fluff that reflects how a majority of players play. That's all breh. That means there'd have to be some numbers around. Don't need to be a ton of them. Just a trickle of new ones.