Warhammer 40k General. /40kg/

What do you guys preffer: massive open games, small compact skirmish and personal games.

>>54619467
Normie games were intentionally left out.

>>54619459
Skirmishes.

Bigger games are okay if it's 2 V 2 for more banter, faster turns as it's not one guy having to move an entire 3/4k list.
You can resolve more stuff simultaneously.


Seperate note, just looked at the FAQs from yesterday. Sooo many entries just because they remembered that storm shields are held in the left hand and all the SW units had them swap the right / gun hand for the storm shield in the index.

Also glad they FAQ'd in that we can take a company ancient. (After I got a primaris ancient as that was the only option I was left with at the time)

>>54619467
What constitutes normal these days? When I stopped playing was when "normal" was 1500pts and a single standard FoC. I heard they tried to move "normal" up to 1750, which is just an awkward number.

Wait shit since konor games are all narrative that means whether you use points or power summoning is free. Shit, that sounds fun.

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Put together the Aggressor and Reiver kits this weekend.

Aggressors don't take long to build at all, and weirdly enough the lack of posing isn't really an issue at all; they just look like they're advancing.

Reivers were a little more fiddly and despite basically being 5 marines repeated in a box, they do have an element of pose-ability to them, for example, some of them have alternate arms, and just changing the head facing makes the pose different enough to their twin. They do look really dynamic.

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Ninth for Tzeentch.

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>>54619495
are they? fuck, i spent a whole week creating a 1500 list for konor...

>>54619480
FAQs from yesterday?

>>54619503
>everything over 1000 points is frowned upon where you play

I just want to play my autistic leman russ squadrons

>>54619440
>>54619491
>being a tryhard Faggot
>>54619495
Depends on the store

>>54619501
Narrative can be played with points or power, main thing to note is that psychic or stratagem can be used more than once per turn

>>54619510
Shit my bad, that was from last Sunday! (23rd)
I only just read them.

I was talking about this at my FLGS and there really isn't an average. We play equal amounts of 2000, 1500, 1000 and Armageddon.

>>54619522
And I bet they all hate knights and land raiders and shit too

>>54619528
>letting your opponent bring nothing but LOW to a game
enjoy, since I certainly don't want to deal with that shit, not my fault 6th/7th left a bad taste in my mouth.

>>54619528
But the official gw site says its supposed to be narrative?

My gaming group are full casual and want to play power points. I don't want to be a dick and abuse this, because they aren't dicks and I want to keep my friends.

Exactly how fucked am I if I run this:

Adeptus Mechanicus, 70PL

HQ:

Magos Dominus, Eradication Ray, Phosphor Serpenta (7)

Troops:

3 Kataphron Destroyers, Plasma + Phosphor (10)

10 Skitarii Vanguard, Omnispex, 3x Plasma Caliver (8)

10 Skitarii Rangers, Omnispex (8)

10 Skitarii Rangers, Omnispex, 3x Transuranic Arquebus (8)

Fast Attack:

Sydonian Dragoon, Taser Lance, Phosphor (3)

Heavy Support:

Onager Dunecrawler, Data Tether, Neutron Laser, Extra Heavy Stubber (6)

Kastellan Robots, Fists + Flamers (12)

Elites:

Datasmith (3)

Support Detachment:

Eversor Assassin (4)

69/70

>>54619554
You have no idea how easy it is to transport a LOW army compared to moving 100 figures. It also makes turns faster. It does have its merits.

>>54619561
What is 70PL in points? Not many people know what PL is valued at.

Updating from last thread, rate my 1850 point Ork list please!

Battalion Detachment (3+ CP):
HQ:
Warboss on Bike+Big Choppa+Kustom Shoota+Attack Squig 99 points
Weirdboy+Da Jump 62 points

Troops:
Boss Nob+29 choppa/slugga boys 180 points
Boss Nob+29 choppa/slugga boys 180 points
10 Gretchin 30 points

Elites:
Nob+Waaagh Banner 79 points
Painboy on Bike 115 points

Fast Attack:
5 Skorcha Buggies

and

Spearhead Detachment (1+ CP):
HQ:
Big Mek on Bike+Big Choppa+KFF 110 points

Heavy Support:
Gorkanaut 364 points
Deff Dread 131 points
10 Lootas 170 points

>>54619575
They cost like the same points and bring similar firepower, a land raider is basically a mini knight.

>>54619572
>it does have its merits
if you go up against an enemy army with nothing but LOW sure or you have some narrative/tournament/custom campaign mission where you have to take out LOW otherwise for any other circumstance ie. normal/pickup game it's a dick move and I'll reject you as a waacfag

>>54619580
I would play against that. Your getting CP so unless your not playing CP either it isn't too strong.

>>54619561
Spamming anything is an eyebrow raiser if you don't want to WAAC.

>>54619599
what about troops? and I mean line troops not conscripts?

>>54619589
That misses the point entirely, all low has less firepower per points than a normal army its hardly waac and if its not a pickup game transport/turn times dont matter

>>54619599
That depends GREATLY on the unit spammed.
Grotz or Orkboy or Psyker Spam? cancer.
Spamming assault marines or fire warriors? funny.

>>54619587
Even if you don't want another HQ I'd still recommend splitting the buggies up for objective grabbing. I'd also switch one boy unit to shooting but that is for flavor, either way is fine. This is greatly improved from last thread.

Are custodians viable at all?

>>54619595
What do you mean land raiders have more fucking firepower and almost as many wounds.

>>54619611
Yes but like paladins, not in great numbers. 5-10 should be more than enough.

>>54619605
>it's hardly waac
it is if I bring an all round list and get fucked by high T units that I struggle to counter as you take out my anti-tank, wounding on a 6 for everything doesn't matter when you always get a 2+ save and I can't put out enough dakka

>>54619621
What about 3x5 with Celestine and a Kinght Acheron?

>>54619626
There damage output is a bit lacking. Maybe drop one for a couple of guard units. This also gives you warm bodies.

>>54619625
2+ save? Is there even a low that has that?

>>54619587
looks a lot like this list:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzpec6Sk3A
pretty embarrasing loss against ravenguard. that said, the ork player left his morkanaut unprotected from deepstrikers and you don't want to do that.

>>54619614
they also have a better saving throw

>>54619628
I was serious about asking what the difference between 450 point knight and 400 land raider is.

So I lost my first 1k campaign game since I thought only units of the start-collecting box are allowed. An Imperial knight kicked my ass turn 1. What would be a good starting list for the first mission as black legion player?

>>54619556
>suppoused
Key word

Reivers in squads of 5 or 10 do you think?

>>54619636
mfw my friend i usually play against is ravenguard too.
Maybe ill blob one of the boyz squad around it or do some modifications.

>>54619595
If not for transport capacity then raiders would be cheaper and better

>>54619647
>only units
Yeah week 2 you can only bring elites, so I'll be footslogging my pyrovores

>>54619646
knights have an invul, can't be trapped in melee and can dish out in melee. landraider can transport dudes and pop smoke.

>>54619634
spartan is the only one I know off the top of my head, perhaps I was wrong about the 2+ saves, however it still seems cancer playing against T8/9 models which you only wounds on a 5/6 while they have over 16 wounds each

>>54619656
gretchins prevent deepstrikers. when the enemy targets them, you know what's up.

>>54619678
-1 CP for canticles isn't a bad wrap

>>54619673

>knights
>p2w

Fucking lol.
I love it when dogshit players out themselves by complaining about terrible units.

>>54619670
My thought was that the armies are growing with each new week by those units.

>>54619693
properly wrapped knights were viable (although far from auto-win)

>>54619561
Ditch the extra 10 man squad of rangers. Galvanic rifles are incredibly disappointing on their own. At the very least put arc rifles on the squad, it's literally a straight upgrade at the cost of 6" of range and since you're playing PL there's no reason not to use special weapons.

>>54619673
>p2w dogshit
>implying knights aren't just as cool as jokaeros

>>54619701

Yep, absolutely agree.

>>54619700
No you can only use units you buy in the store that week to be noob friendly

>>54619711

If you actually believe knights were ever p2w then you're simply a bad player / run a terrible army.

>>54619710
The only reason they're in is I wanted to use the spare rifle arms and had some greatcoat torsos and hooded heads from a past project.

I traded my arc rifles for plasma and arquebuses in a bitz trade.

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Alrighty then, this has to be easier to follow

>>54619549
I assumed some of them had a point; if I could improve the way I organize the post, I'd get more feedback to improve my army.

I plan to use Strike From the Shadows on the Lt, use Lias ability on the Vets and the Sterns; the Chaplain and the Vanguards come in turn one using their jump packs.

The Vets are there as bodyguards and carrying Storm bolters they're about as efficient as Sterns against MEQ's. Got two squads of Sterns because Lias can infiltrate three units and they're cost-efficient alternatives; more dakka than tacs etc yet less costly compared to Hellblaters.

So strat is basically to alpha strike with fire support from the flyers, Scouts etc.
I'll have 6CP to spend, which will go to Stern stratagems, Hellfire on the scout heavy bolters, fight again in melee etc

>>54619211
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>>54619742

Why not Ork girls?

>>54619742
>obvious desperate projection

>>54619750
>Orkz
>Genderless fungi lifeform
>Having genders

>>54619742
Get out

>>54619758
So why are they called Ork Boys?

>>54619758
I only thought the fantasy ones were mushrooms.

>>54619675
Yeah but they cant do objectives and havea third your firepower against non vehicles. Against each other they tear shit apart of course. Seriously their nightmare is cgaos daemons or genestealers. Hell even plasma guns are deadly. Could be that certain armies just lack infantry with high damage or strength though, that would suck. Most low games vs normals ends in low losing unless other player ignored objectives. Try the tactical objectives mode maelstrom I think its called and you should get a more even match. Low are pretty annoying in kill points because you have to table so thats a legit problem.

>>54619764
They are called boyz

Wtf, this game uses inches?

Does GW use rotary phones too? Fucking Stone Age shit.

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What can you say about the Death Guard's Deathshroud Terminators? What happened to them after the Horus Heresy? Do you think they'll be making a return soon?

>>54619777
Because using cm sucks.

>>54619764
Because that is their role in the class structure. Its more like serf vs burgher vs noble or prole vs bourg than girl vs boy.

>>54619776

I can actually feel your feckless impotent anger.
Loving every laugh.

>>54619765
No, there are in universe speculation about orc women. And there is an old female orc model.

>>54619776
Pathetic

>>54619768
idk I probably have a bad taste from 8th still, also the problematic LOW are those that are melee focussed like IK/WK and such since they have high M and rape tier melee

>>54619790
The cheerleader? That is blood bowl which is set in an alt universe.

>>54619777
Its tradition sadly. Also tends to work better with d6s. You would want d8 or d10 for cm based games random distances.

>>54619792

>if I keep posting gifs he can't prove I'm mad for being called out by so many people!
kek

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>>54619784
But cm is getting a new codex next week! Maybe they'll be better then!

>>54619795
12 attacks that miss 1/3rd of the time isnt that scary if you have troops choices in your army. I guess eldar are fucked by that maybe?

>>54619808
It's a popular tactic anymore. No argument? Just post laughing gifs. Eventually he'll resort to calling everyone disagreeing with him a samefag.

>>54619776
>>54619792
>>54619818

lazy as fuck baka imo desu senpai

>>54619779
Morty killed all of them to summon some nurgle wiggly woo during the heresy

>>54619831
Fucking idiot.

>>54619839
Really? I kind of don't believe you, they loved their termies.

>>54619733
yeah, as much as i thought. you can however only fire the sternguard stratagem once per turn. also, your CPs probably will dwindle fast. hellfire best near lias and when stationary.

you might want to hold back on the vanguards. drop down the other vets first to clear away the bubblewrap, then drop the plasma pistols in range turn 2.

only issue I see is that against other deepstriking armies you may have more drops and they'll force you to go first. but you can't cover all the bases in 8th ed list-building anyway, there is some degree of rock-paper-scissors to it, even when you run all-comers.

seems overall solid, will probably require some fine-tuning after some games played.

>>54619846
Pretty sure he gets off to (You)s. That or showing off his collection of laughing gifs.

>>54619729
Yeah man
Perfectly fine when only 20% of your army even has a chance to touch them
They were P2W bullshit and would win 100% of the time unless you built your list specifically to fight them

>>54619846
He got the two threads mixed up: >>>54619878

If they only had one or two knights you could almost just ignore it and play objectives. You had a reasonable chance of killing them even with enough plasma weapons. The only way your army would never be able to kill them is if you relied entirely on just piling low Str wounds in melee.

>>54619887
We already know he's illiterate. Shitposting in the right thread is hard when you can't read properly.

>>54619859
I see, thanks anon!
I could switch a Sternguard squad out for some other infantry unit but it has to be non-Cent, -Primaris & -Termie and that's kinda why I chose Sterns too
Is there any other unit you'd recommend over the Sterns?
Also, I could save 1CP by either not giving the Chaplain or the Lt a relic, thoughts?

>>54619875
Mathematically, you need over 100 plasma shots to kill one.

>tfw reopening an old codex
>Seeing the points values all listed there

It's beautiful...

How effective is a 5 man unit of chaos terminators with meltaguns accompanied by a melta termy lord, obviously deepstriking.

>>54619561
>Kastellan Robots, Fists + Flamers (12)
>taking fists on your robots instead of three heavy phosphor cannons
>not shooting 18 s6 ap -2 shots a turn from each robot

>>54619910
If you shoot it from the side or back, even with the ion shield you would have gotten a reasonable chance of damaging the knight and even getting an Explodes! result for an extra d3 hullpoints off with just 3 or 4 plasma guns. And this is assuming the heaviest shit in your army is just a couple of plasma guns. Plenty of armies had access to deep striking melta guns and other anti-armor options. You could reasonably kill a lone knight with an average amount of anti-armor in your army.

Knights were decent but other than the Knight Crusader they were mostly just big damage soaks. It only became a "build to counter or die" when they ran pure knights, and really that was GW's fault for letting people do that for some inane reason.

What ranged weapon should i put on a normal dreadnought?

>>54619964
>not taking fists on your robots
>not having your scheme be primarily grey
>not using this chance to paint them as Giant Robo and Tetsujin 28

>>54619903
well, the sternguards will die pretty fast as they will become a priority. sternguards are kinda glasscannons. so maybe having a second squad around isnt awful. they provide anti-horde and supplementary anti-vehicle firepower in your list, so whatever you're going for as substitute will have to do that too. the only thing i can think of are grav-devs. gravcannons are anti-horde/anti-elite/anti-tank. personally i run them in droppod with kantor, apo and ancient. 1 c-plasma, 1 extra body, cherub, 3xGC, 1xLC (the single-shot LC benefits more from the signum, cherub, command die re-roll package). but they die as fast as sternguards. whoever you choose, your best survival policy is drop them where they can immediately clear out any threats in their immediate vicinity and where you have some cover.

oh, btw, see if you can't squeeze 1 or 2 stormshields on the veterans, it makes them more durable as well.

lastly, be careful to not deepstrike the footsloggers too far away from the center... they're not very mobile. things to consider when studying the terrain for deepstrike locations.

>>54620006
"Reasonable chance"
Firing 4 plasma guns into the side or rear, you have a 8% chance of getting an explode result.
That's assuming you get your tac squad up to rapid fire range.

Single knights in an army is no problem.
But letting people take entire armies of them, making every single bolter or power sword, or anything that isn't specifically for killing tanks, useless, was OP as fuck.

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WE

>>54620054
Cute

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>>54620054
Wuz

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>>54620054

There has been a dark skinned SOB in art for...well over a decade at this point?

>>54620053
I came up with a 14% chance for an explodes. And anyways your army would still be useless even with "everything can wound everything" unless you honestly think bolter and power swords can shave 96 wounds off of 4 T8 3+/5++ models. Sure you have a "chance" but it's not any real chance.

>>54619561
>Eversor Assassin (4)

This is a big of a dick move, rest seems fine.

>>54620102
Woah a black sista thats cool

>>54620124
I specifically said that you're fucked unless you build your army to fight them

>>54620046
Thanks again anon, will do!

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>>54619440

New to the hobby guys, bought a Space Marine starter set and some Dark Angel veterans on Friday, but in the few threads I've been browsing here everyone seems to shit on Dark Angels.

Are they shit or is it just memes and banter? I love the robes they wear and the angel bits you see on captains and terminators. Dont know how they play really but I dont think we have a codex yet, the store owner said they are a shooty faction with lots of plasma generally which sounded okay but can do well in melee due to having knights or something? Have I goofed?


Only know a little bit about the lore and stuff, but from what I know they sound like my cup of tea, uncaring of the world around them - focused on their own goal but generally are on the Imperiums side.

Black Templar and Ministorum or Grey Knights with Ordo Malleus Inquisition and Tempestus Stormtroopers? I'm also thinking a Knight Acheron would look pretty fluffy with either.

>>54620168
They aren't bad
Just no one likes them at the moment because they were part of the flier spam

>>54620168
Just stupid memes because it baited some people really hard. Dangles are fine.

>>54620137
Are they really OP?

I have the really old model from a salvage lot of Oldhammer bits and wanted to restore and use it.

>>54619973
Do you recommend any specific melee weaponry for them?

>>54620180
>>54620184
>>54620203
Nice, I'll be able to form my own opinion after a couple of games anyway. Any indication in which was I should expand my army after I have these few done? Anything Dark Angels excell at?

>>54620212
I think hes assuming you're taking four eversors. Nothing wrong with one.

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>>54620168
It's mostly banter. DAs have an interesting back story, a cool aesthetic, and a great theme for futuristic space knights. And the mystery around the fallen gives plenty of room to fluff up a successor warband if you want to be creative.

You just need to be prepared to handle the gay banter and accusations of literal autism directed at your primarch.

>>54620224
They're basically normal codex marines but special elite bikers and terminators. So those will always be reasonable choices on fluff if nothing else.

>>54620150
You keep speaking in past tense so I keep thinking you're referring to 7th.

But anyways the discussion is whether or not knights as a unit are "p2w", which they are not.

I'm not sure I'd even call an army of them p2w considering you'll have a lot of trouble playing objectives. It would just not be much fun to play against.

Writing a IG list, should I take Chimeras or Taurox's

Is Pedro Kantor a spic?

>Konor event starts at my store
>almost all of the xenos players make an excuse to fight for imperium
>others are building imperium armies
>leaves a total of 3 chaos vs 11 imperium
>imperium players playing imperium players, whoever wins imperium gets points
fucking bullshit

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This is Konor News.

Nothing has changed yet again. This is very strange as there was an Imperial advance planned for the last few days following the re-enforcement of the space marines.

Rumour is everyone is stuck playing a miniature wargame, Thunderhammer 80,000.

When this will end, no one knows. And why Chaos has stopped isn't known, but strange cards similar to the Emperor's tarot have been found, branded with the name Tragic: the Garnering. This is obviously fouls sorcery that must have something to do with it.

This was the (late) Konor news at the 86 hour mark.

>>54620262
He's space Spanish.

>>54620261
Depends, taurox is considered a better transport for it's cost, but the chimeras have the special advantage that you can put a ten man squad + characters in it.
What I also like to do with chimeras is put a command squad with officer + special weapon squad with a demo charge and blow shit up

Tfw Gulliman is Alpharius and Omegon opens the terminus decree

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>>54620301

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>>54620263
And then Anon, they will go on the internet, normiebook and whatever other outlet they have for 40k gaming and make fun of Chaos for not winning.
Then proceede to mock the chaos players for being incompetent, mad or whatever else they can think of to insult them.
>If this general is in anyway an indicator for how imperiumfags function in social situations.

GW's facebook
>Thomas Lerch A chance the Grey Knights will also get Primaris Marines ?
17 h
Warhammer 40,000
Warhammer 40,000 All will be getting revealed soon, we reckon!

>>54620339
They wouldn't say yes or no either way until their announcements but really I wouldn't be surprised if they get one or two primaris units.

>>54620339
Those are just clueless interns at the 40k Facebook. They answer a lot but they are mostly just clueless.

>>54620168
I am a Dangle player

We get shit on because of all the Lionel references, and hidden gay jokes because of this.

Dark Angels are amazing at mixing our Playstyle, there are deathwing knights ready to fuck up closeup, black knights spraying down plasma able to swoop in with s5 hits anytime.


Our librarian makes us harder to deal with in both combat and shooting

Our darkshroud makes us incredibly hard to hit, if matched with Aversion from your psyker.(you can make yourself impossible to hit)

+we have the coolest most interesting lore, just that it won't show on the tabletop until we get the codex

Does anyone know how easy or if possible to attach a giant torso to dunecrawler legs.

>>54620262

¡Por el Emparador!

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>>54620381
Why do you play the worst traitor legion?

>>54620029
I dont think P2W means what you think it means.
costing money isn't P2W. P2W would be an army that costs more money to build is more powerful. Which with 40k wasnt the case, theres no correlation between the cost of an army and how good it is.

>>54620408
Why do you play a meme?

>>54620412
He doesn't care what it means, he's just a shitposter.

>>54620408
Do you reckon there are hidden heretics on the other side?

How the fuck are you supposed to put incubi together? The arms don't even line up with the body properly.

>already have 4 land raiders
>buy the Talons of the Emperor box
I don't know why I do these things to myself lads

>>54620412
if anything it costs less than a normal army

1850 in 7th set you back £250-£400, knights was £240-300

>>54620248
Obviously, since you can't get an "It Explodes" result for D3 hull points in 8th?

>>54620431
>£250-£400
Mate what are you doing? My most recent 1000 points cost 85 AUS from GW.

>>54620429
Sell it on ebay for $60 and turn a profit.

>>54620138

Yeah and in official GW art too. She's never really been named but it does a good bit to help with the very clone-like look the SOB often have in art due to similar hair and skin. Using other orders also helps there a fair bit rather than just 'Red and Black, Valorous Heart Go'

So outside of the indexes and the space marine codex, are there any other sources of fluff for the primaris marines? Are we just waiting for BL to sink their big meaty claws into fluff thats pretty cool, imo?

>>54620428
Dunk them in hot water so you can bend the resin into alignment first.

>>54620429
Sell the contemptible contraption while your at it, its a waste of plastic.

>>54620394
The base sizes are rather different so I can't imagine that would be an easy feat.

>>54620449
Look at the sisters of silence, in the five man squad two are black there as well.

>>54620459

For the SOS it's also really useful. As without even the hair to set them apart they really run the risk of looking like creepy clones.

So what attacted you to the hobby /tg/?
More interestingly what kept you here?

For me I though I'd be interested in a strategic game and soon that disapointed me rather dramatically but that hole was filled with the stories and artwork.

>>54620439
Terminus ultra and something else?

>>54620262
>American education

>>54620455
I've got my first bent sword, how hot does the water need to be? Boiling or just warm?

>>54620439
The fuck did you buy that's 1000 points for $85 AUS

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Is it just me, or does the Gravis Armour helmet look like a Taurox's front end?

>>54620483
Half of dark imperium for 60 AUD and half of first strike for 25 AUD.

>>54620291
w-where did the other anchor go

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>>54620498

>>54620500
thats pretty sick, gud jobbu

>>54620489
Works better and faster if its hotter. I'd boil some water and then take it off the heat before using. But if you have a really hot tap that can work too.

>>54620494
>4 knights in a baronial court at £80 each is £240
>lying

are you functionally IQ deficient or did you work really hard to get to this stage of terrible bait?

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>>54620502
Don't worry about it.

So what GW paint do I use to patch up a corax white spray with?

>>54620519
There's no risk of melting it? Don't feel like paying for a new hq

>>54620480
Liked the lore, needed a hobby

>>54620444
>>54620459
Might actually end up keeping it. I have a spare Crusader upgrade knocking around. That way I can build it fully magnetised, and then repaint one of my old regular raiders for the custodes.

Definitely gonna ditch the contemptor if I can, it's fugly as fuck and seems absolutely pointless

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would anyone be interested in joining a tg/40k discord?

>>54620530
None. It will just get soft. I mean maybe you could melt it if you boiled it for an hour or something, but youre just dunking it for a dozen seconds or so. Warhammertv has a video if you're curious. Its for forgeworld resin, but same principle.

It also works better if you have a bowl of cold water to dunk it in after bending to set the new position.

>>54620560
Thanks mate, much appreciated :)

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>>54619500
Respect.

>>54620556
GSCB, please, no! No more!

>>54620578
please run me through your thought process, i'm dying to learn about low functioning autism

>>54620592
>GSCB
aha, but I'm *inside* New Zealand you cvck. The GSCB couldn't touch me if they tried.

>>54620224
We excel at most things really. We have the best terminators and bikers. Our standard marines are also solid as hell. The only real weakness we have is in the dogfighter department, because both of our fliers are more air to surface targeters.

And this is why a lot of people are eternally salty about how good we've been for the past few editions.

So whats the go when two Black Library novels contradict each other? Recently read the Crimson King and it kills off a character thats later on in the Ahriman series.

>>54620498
Just you.

>>54620663
>has no answer
>"nuh uh, YOU'RE THE AUTIST"

0/10 I've shit better bait posts

>>54620301
>Librarian Haxualpha
>Chaplain Inhuaca
I'd say Space Mexicans is more fitting

>>54620307
this

>Chaos Marines AND Grey Knights codices announced
>available for preo-order in a week
lolwat

Does that mean DG are getting a huge wave of new models in the next month or so?

>>54620025

>What ranged weapon should i put on a normal dreadnought?

How long is a piece of string? Depends on what role you need it to fill.

Need more anti infantry or a fairly cheap dread? Assault cannon or twin heavy bolter.

If it's venerable a twin lascannon is pretty good. If not, paying 50 points for 2 BS 4+ shots is kinda dubious.

Autocannons aren't a bad flexible weapon that can target most things.

Anyhow just promise me you won't take the plasma cannon, marines have infinitely better plasma platforms.

If 30k emps saw 40k inquisition and the whole god-emperor belief he would have flown into a rage and disbanded shit like the ministorum. So, as a newb of 40k lore, why hasn't the g-unit done so?

>>54620498
it looks like ass

>>54620677
now you are just embarrassing yourself

>>54620025
fucking magnets how do they work

>>54620676
Yes.

>>54620452
yeah pretty much. There's primaris marines in the new shroud of night novel I'm only partway in but there's a bit about the oldmarines being a little wary and distrustful of their new primaris brothers which is interesting.

>>54620452
Dark Imperium and Shroud of Night are both post Primaris introduction though.

>>54620718
I wouldn't know, I've had my own business since i left university, keep trying though

Any recommendations on good 40K books that tell a story from the perspective of Chaos worshippers?

>>54620680
>why hasn't the g-unit done so?
>why hasn't he dismantled the entire underpinnings of the empire while fighting off threats on every side
gee i wonder

>>54620754
It was a serious question. Surely he must have been outraged to see his father's works so butchered and distorted

>>54620680
Because the great crusade failed and now is no longer the time for lofty ideals. Survival is the only thing that matters.

>>54620729
The word bearers books aren't too bad. Before someone recommends the night lords series, they don't worship chaos in the series.
If you mean cultists worshipping chaos, I don't know mate.

>>54620768
So no monologues of him talking or thinking about his disgust? I imagine that kind of morale struggle would be more interesting than any battle.

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>>54620739
yeah man bottles on the floor is really lucrative right now, you should get in on it asap

>>54620777
>So no monologues of him talking or thinking about his disgust?
Yes of course there are but thats not what you asked about.

>>54620729
Night lords trilogy is good. Although they dont exactly "worship" chaos. Still, gives a perspective from the Chaos side.

>>54620788
It wasn't my original question but it was incorporated into a second, my apologies if that was unclear. Is any of this in the gathering storm? I have all three but haven't gotten around to reading them yet.

>>54620799
>>54620783
just kiss already

>>54620783
>>54620799
Please go back to arguing about knights

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THREAD FUCKING RUINED BY TWO RETARDS ARGUING LIKE CHILDREN WITH BABY TIER RETORTS.
I HAVEN'T FELT THE NEED TO POST IN CAPS IN YEARS.

>>54620677
>>54620718
>>54620739
>>54620799
Please stop, your comebacks are painfully weak. The other guy is an ass but at least he's kinda good at it.

>>54619670
>not running 2000 points of lictors
It's like you don't even want to win

>>54620805
Gathering Storm 3 and Dark Imperium are probably waht you're looking for Anon. There's a little bit of both the Emperors thoughts and guillimans.

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>>54620799

Haha whoops sorry this just keeps on happening

Is there any cheap way to get a bunch of different weapon options? I don't feel like paying 2 pounds for a grav gun and 9 more to ship it here

>>54620832
>Emperors thoughts
Holy shit what have I missed.

>>54620765
It was a serious answer. Guilliman doesn't particularly like shit like the ministorum but he accepts that with the enemy at the gates now is not the time to cause another civil war

>>54620815
>>54620817
>>54620823

he's going to start replying to you guys now, calling it

I was trying to contain him

>>54620865
ok that one was a solid 6/10, made me giggle

say I was thinking of commissioning an entire army, do you have any suggestions? money isn't an issue

>>54620838
>>54620783
> Posts financial records to prove a point on an internet messaging site.
What are you stupid?

>>54620783
>no currency
May as well be Tasmanian dollars

>>54620709
I didn't think that was happening for a while since the primarine shit is still new. The last thing GW needs after doing so well is new-release-fatigue.

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>>54620883
That point might be debatable; but he is certainly well off.
I bet he owns a team of Custodes he never plays.

>>54620887
Not that anyone cares.

>>54620883
>no account number or name, just numbers that change constantly

>requires 2 signatories and a fob to access

yeah i'm really making myself less secure by posting a picture

>>54620887
GBP, i could inflate my ego more by trading it to bolivar

>>54620876
>say I was thinking of commissioning an entire army, do you have any suggestions? money isn't an issue

If money isn't an issue then literally anyone. Who do you like?

>>54620903
Strange, their house is actually one i bought for them as an anniversary gift

>>54620904
Kek

>>54620908
squats :(

>>54620921
hell yeah, on a custom server and everything

>>54620923
If money literally isn't an option than you could probably pay someone to round up second hand ones or convert them and play them as IG.

>>54620933
do you play videogames? if so, what videogames?

R8 my 100 pl chad list. For casual games at my local club

Imperial Fist colour scheme but Ultramarines Chapter Tactics .


Captain in gravis power sword gauntlet 7
Primaris Librarian 7


Intercessors 5
Intercessors 5
Intercessors 5

Redemptor dread macro plasma cannon, fist , heavy flamer 10

3 Inceptors heavy bolters 10
3 Inceptors heavy bolters 10


10 hellblasters 16
Stormtalon, twin lascannons 9
Repulsor, heavy onslaught, lascannon ,. ALL the other guns 16

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>>54620892
funny you should say that, pic related not mine but looks pretty sick, probably going to go black templars soon though with chaplain dread in the pic

>>54620944
live long and go fast

>>54620957
Fractured space and DoW3

>>54620946
If money REALLY isn't a problem you could pay someone to kill a bunch of people, taxidermy them and turn them into an army of mannequins.
Alternitively you could hire some ex-military guys to capture and train a bunch of orphans and homeless and make a real army.
That's what I'd do.

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Excerpt from the new codex post on the site:

>This book is packed with new ways to play >the Knights of Titan, and one of our >favourites is the option to take a Grand >Master in a Nemesis Dreadknight! This >opens up the option to field an entire army of >these crusading exo-suits.

To translate,

"You're gonna buy a baby-carrier whether you like it or not you little shits"

>making a good wage
>having savings
>not living in a socialist welfare state where you can sit on your ass and get free shit
>would rather "work" and be "a productive member of society"

lol, what idiots...

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Which of the two "it's okay you're too shit at highlighting to paint black sweetie, here's something easier" RG successor schemes do you think I should go for?

(Apologies for asking a 40k-related question in the middle of your shitflinging contest.)

>>54620985
dude

>>54620985
>taxidermy them
What the actual fuck

I was having a conversation earlier with a friend and he said something that surprised/confused me.

Do Tau not have access to the 'unique/prototype' wargear for commanders/battlesuits in the index?

He said it wasnt anywhere in the xenos 2 codex. Is this true, or is he just blind?

>>54619839
only 7 were killed, the others are still with him

but it seems they wont make a return in the recent plague wars

>>54620981
any vidya before that? what games did you gravitate towards in your youth? what about adolescence? anything you would say would be your go-to game if you had to desert island your shit?

>>54620995
>>54620999

Like if I was some mega rich dude I'd get all my ultra rich friends to do the same and then buy some war torn city and watch from our helicopters.
Maybe a race war chess game... man if only i was rich.

>>54621009
Halo 2 back before the 360 was released was my jam, played that shit all the time

also every wipeout game and guild wars 1

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>>54620981
While I like the BT more fluffwise; I think that the Ultrasmurfs are better mechanically.
Why do you choose BT?
I actually play 'Crons exclusivly, being a poorfag.

>>54621017
>I'd get all my ultra rich friends to do the same and then buy some war torn city and watch from our helicopters.
Televise that shit for the sweet advertising bux and you're basically Desert Wars from Shadowrun

>>54620828
>Not 32 zoanthropes 9 venomthropes and 2 broodlords
get on my level

>>54620994
Revilers, obviously.

>>54620994
Silver/gunmetal tends to look better than grey with no or minimal highlights. I'd go with that.

>>54621021
If you like Wipeout then you'd love Ravenwing Dark Angels, White Scars, or Evil Sunz Orks, or Eldar Jet Bikes.

Basically any army that is about kiting and speed and lightning attacks. What I would recommend if you like Guild Wars would depend on the class you played the most.

If you liked Halo 2 then Spess Muhreens are an obvious choice, or Militarum Tempestus.

>>54620994
As someone else who is bad at black armor, metal is way easier to do.

You also get the bonus entertainment of having incredibly stealthy shiny troops.

>>54621000
They don't. "Prototype Wargear" is the Tau version of Relics and will be added back in the codex as shown by C:SM.

>>54620990
if labour win I'm probably going to move to america, suffering american libtards is far more inviting than suffering under corbyn and abbott

>>54621022
I've always liked the emperors champion and grimdalus but they were always such a shit army. However now that they can reroll failed charges on ironclads and also have a chaplain dread with a relic they are terrifying

Also because I wan't an excuse to kitbash a mega-crozius onto the chaplain dread and call im the metal minister

>>54621050
> Militarum Tempestus.

is my current army, complete with bullgryns and valks

>>54621064
Rip...
Okay, thankyou very much!
Guess I'm back to having a 3+ armour save on my commander if irridium armour is now gone.

So does armies on display have to be an army on display, (as in with actual bases that could be used in a game) or can it be a diarama? If the second is true does it still have to be 2'x2'?

>>54620990
>>would rather "work" and be "a productive member of society"
I know you're pissing about and being ironic but that's the entire purpose of socialism and I love the delicious irony that nobody voting for the hard left can see this.
>>54621073
Marines play pretty similarly to Tempestos to be honest, but with a little less variation in unit type. Unless you go Chaos Marines, of course.

I would suggest popping into a GW store with a fuckhueg wad of our gracious Queen's tender then ask if you can playtest each army. The dude will fall over himself to help since they're targeted on "growth". If you still want to save your 15-25% on costs then just say you can't decide yet then fuck off and buy your shit online.

>>54621094
My local is a tiny GW who's manager is a mate of mine anyway so i'm fairly loyal to his store, he's going to be happy when i decide to pull the trigger on a load of black templars

I think he's planning on leaving soonish though, he did some stupid growth this year (over 50% for xmas and 8th editionrelease day, easily 20%+ every month) so he's worried he will be fired if he doesnt do growth next year, which will be pretty hard to beat his own records

Why are there lots of tiny bubles when i apply the paint to the model?

>>54621139
You may be thinning it down too much.

>>54621139
you thinned your paint too much and are using too large a brush

What's the go-to loadout on an Ironclad Dread? Full punchy, or remove the second fist for bolters?

>>54621159
>>54621156
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THINNING TOO MUCH
SHAME ON YOU

>>54621161
chainsword and hurricane bolter, have a nearby chaplain give them rerolls on everything

>>54621169
there is when bubbles appear

>>54621139
Also use a pattete, which can be a cardboard/container lid etc., to reduce the amount of paint loaded on your brush.

>>54621126
It's bullshit that if you have a fluke period of insane business it will end up getting you fired. A lot of cuntish companies counter having to pay bonuses for fluke periods by setting their bonus structure on a rolling peroid, instead of flat monthly. I have no idea if GW do this, but one company I worked for did this exact and I got around £400k profit for the company in one month, but because the other months were much lower due to purchasing fatigue they didn't pay out much for it at all.
>>54621139
Did you let the pot settle for a couple of minutes after you shook it? Also your paint is too thin and/or you're not being careful with your brush strokes.

>>54621174
ASK FOR FORGIVENESS TO OUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE YOU FILTHY HERETIC
REPENT!

>>54619779
The Dark Imperium booklet says that particularly successful Deathshrouds become Lords of Contagion. As to how many of them aren't promoted yet, who knows.

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>>54620498
>>54620507
FACE ME

>>54621178
> I have no idea if GW do this, but one company I worked for did this exact and I got around £400k profit for the company in one month, but because the other months were much lower due to purchasing fatigue they didn't pay out much for it at all.

considering the turnover of managers is so insanely high in england (out of the 5? GW stores within 30 mins drive from where i live, only my local one has kept a manager more than a year) I think that is indeed what they do

that being said my local manager has made a killing this year, massive growth got him huge performance pay, plus GW paid staff a big bonus because of them almost tripling thier pre-tax profits this year

>>54621161

Chainfist: Accuracy will help more than the hammer.

Honestly the difference between second fist and hurricane bolter is utterly trivial. Rapid fire 2 and rerolls of ones in combat, or rapid fire 6 and no rerolls for only a 2 point difference.

>>54620082
Transgenders in the military.

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Its really thick though...

>>54620981
Ignoring you being an obnoxious unlikable faggot, Custodes are super awesome this edition.

>>54621206
That's what I was figuring. I think I'll go chainfist + hurricane as I think it looks cool. Now just to find the chainfist and to locate wherever the heck one of the assault launchers has fallen of to..

>>54620261
I think Chimeras are better than Tauroxs, but I think Taurox Primes are better than Chimeras.

>>54621214
>thick
>can see the blue paint underneath

thats not thick, thats a decent consistency just take a little water out

>>54621219
they look great on tabletop but they arnt exactly going to get much done with the amount of dakka that people can spam right now

>>54621223
also rejoice and remember that ironclads are 40 points cheaper thanks to the new codex

>>54621214
Fuck anon what are you doing to your brushes

>>54621242
They are great on tabletop. Do you even play?

>>54621214
No, there is a large quantity.

When we say "Thin" we don't mean "very spread out" we mean low viscosity.

That looks like a puddle of watery paint.

The viscosity should be like full fat milk.

Which Space Marine heavy weapons are generally worth using now?

>>54621203
>considering the turnover of managers is so insanely high in england
I think it's not just their pay structure but the staff treatment is shit. The hours aren't bad but they are lonely, there's little contact with upper management thus no support for customer grievances and since you have no contact with anyone it's hard to book holiday etc, and you're expected to run an entire shop ALONE.

I've vorked for planty of companies that actually save money by having high staff turnover. The investment for training is low, staff usually start out dedicated and thus make lots of money until the honeymoon peroid wears out and they start to understand the treatment they will receive for the future will be fucking shit, so they leave and the positon is filled by another who will repeat the cycle.

I guess GW feel this is the most effective frontline staff policy they have.

>>54621214
I you're confident you arent thinning too much it Might be a bad paint pot that didn't mix properly. That happen sometime.

>>54621246
What you mean?

>>54621248
So more or less water?

>>54621242
I know, it's great; I just couldn't fit one in my list before the update hit. Also I assume its probably a good idea to kick him out the back of a Stormraven rather than have him walk across the battlefield to what needs punching.

>>54621249
Everything except Plasma Cannons.

Is there any point in giving SoS bolters?

>>54621259

Which is crazy really because a good GW employee is pretty hard to come by. You have to be familiar with pretty much everything they offer and the rules for them, while controlling a shop full of kids every weekend. My local manager is fucking great and I'd hate to see him go. He's the type who you could ask a simple question and get a five minute lore dump and suggestions on how to model things just because he loves the hobby so much. Absolute gem.

>>54621278
None, other than giving the intern at FW a task to see if he's competent at making average bolters for something no one plays

>>54621247
yes and they get shit on every single time I see them fielded because razorbacks and lascannon predators exist with access to rerolls on hits and wounds, doesn't take many failed invuln saves for you to lose half your army

>>54621259
pretty much, they moved to single staff (full time) stores last year or the year before that, i thinkthats what contributed to thier profit this year, revenue went up 30% but profit skyrocketed

Hows my first time Imperial Guard list looking, Im want to do more of blop guard with a mix of heavy support, how can I improve

Battalion Detachment
HQs
-Lord Commissar(50pts) w/ Power Sword (4pts) and Plasma Pistol(5 Pts) = 59 pts
-Company Commander (30pts) w/ Power Sword (4pts), Plasma Pistol (5pts) = 39 pts

Troops
-Infantry Squadx3 (40pts)
Model 1: Power sword(4pts), Laspistol(0pts), Frag Grenade (0pts)
Model 2: Vox Caster(5pts), Lasgun (0pts), Frag Grenade (0pts)
Model 3: Flamer (7pts), Frag Grenade (0pts)
Model 4-10: Lasgun (0pts), Frag Grenade (0pts) = 46pts

Transport
-Taurox x2 (55pts) w/ AutoCannon (15pts), Heavy Stubber (4pts) = 74pts

Heavy
-Besalisk (100 pts) w/ Earthshaker Cannon (0 pts), Heavy Bolter (8pts) = (108 pts)
-Heavy Weapons Team(12pts) w/ Lascannon (20pts), Lasgun x3 (0pts), Frag Grenade x3 (0pts) = 32pts
-Leman Russ (132pts) w/ Battle Cannon (22pts), Lascannon (20 pts) =174 pts

Elite
-Command Squad (24pts)
Model 1: Regimental Standard(5pts), Lasgun(0pts)
Model 2: Vox Caster (5pts), Lasgun(0pts)
Model 3: Medipack(10pts), Lasgun(0pts)
Model 4: Laspistol (0pts), Chainsword(0pts)
= 44pts.

742/750 points in total

>>54621264
Less.

>>54621296
your heavy weapon teams arn't legal, you have to take 3 heavy weapons

>>54621318
Do you think I should just get rid of it and add another Infantry squad?

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Since The Alpha legion is actually a loyalist legion, will they come back to help if/when terra is under seige again?

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Dark Mechanicus when?
I want my chaos-flavoured iron priests!

>>54621340
well you wanted blob, you could drop it and an infantry squad for a load of conscripts

however your command team is just awful, the standard and medipack wont do anything and the vox caster isnt needed if you havethem on infantry squads

just give them loads of special weapons like meltas or something

>>54621343
No and you legion is fucking shit.
>MFW too smart to act smart
kys

>>54621343
They are under some ultra secret plan by the emperor which, if that's true, then Dorn is not only an ultra retard for the Iron Cage, but a super ultra retard for killing Alpharius as well.

"Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome Banana."

t. Emperor when asked of his relationship with Dorn

>>54620978
>Imperial Fist colour scheme but Ultramarines Chapter Tactics .
>absolutelydisgusting.jpg, will not rate

>>54621355
I would love some dark mechanicus, even if it's just to get chaos as an ally... actually I suppose I could just paint up some not totally chaos renegade chapter and just use regular spess marines rules.

I might just do that actually.

>>54621294
So confirmed, you don't play you dumb idiot.

>>54621363
Or Dorn only said he killed Alpharius because it was part of the plan.

>>54620988
>>favourites is the option to take a Grand
>>Master in a Nemesis Dreadknight!
anyone remember the dude posting pics of that in these threads repeatedly? really activates my almonds...

>>54620307
That's space Mexican.

>>54621390
>those matches you played weren't REAL matches

what's next faggot, was soviet russia not REAL communism?

>>54621358
t.Ultrasmurf player

>>54621395

Or Alpharius allowed himself to be killed as part of the plan.

Or it wasn't even Alpharius who was killed.

Alpha Legion are the Deus Ex Machina Legion.

>>54621249
They all have their uses although if you plan to use plasma cannons its best to provide them with a reroll aura. Either with a captain, or in a pinch with a dreadnought.

Missile Launchers are really solid generalists if that's what you want.

>>54621405
Alpha Legion apparently has an emperor titan too (not confirmed but the dammed thing is called Dominatus)

>>54621405
That as Ralpharius who died, real dude is biding his time.

>>54621395
this. it's all part of their 17D chess strategy

anyone got a pic of chess basing?

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>>54621395
Considering Dorn thought the Iron Cage massacre was a victory, I could easily see him claiming he killed Alpharius as well, that retarded banana

>>54621402
You wish fgt. But your no argument post just shows that there is no defense for the Alphas retardation.

>>54621363
>They are under some ultra secret plan by the emperor which, if that's true, then Dorn is not only an ultra retard for the Iron Cage, but a super ultra retard for killing Alpharius as well.
>it's Dorn's fault for doing his job
>not the emperor's job for keeping secrets yet again
you think he'd have learned his lesson when from the magnus and Horus situations

>>54621363
>alpharius sets up (at great effort) a 1v1 IRL with dorn
>dorn shanks him
>this is dorn's fault somehow

>>54621455
Hey, any seige you can crawl away from...

>>54621455
>Considering Dorn thought the Iron Cage massacre was a victory

When your goal is to get massacred, it's unsurprising when you DO get massacred you consider it a victory.

>>54621461

Yeah, because in a comparison between Alpharius and Dorn, it's absolutely Alpharius who is the stubborn idiot who doesn't think his actions through.

Before the whole G doggy dog coming back, were there any other active loyalist primarchs?

>>54621455
If another siege on terra occurs, Alpha legion will show up like nick fury at the end of age of ultron

>>54621478
Yeah, but no one had seen them in millennia.

So if the chaos primarchs are all princes now, aren't they mindless beasts? I thought that was the folly of the chaos champion, that they are inevitably doomed.

How does it feel knowing that this man owns an extremely primitive yet decked out version of a space marine assault bike and you don't?
https://youtu.be/YJQnjC0ly3Y[embed]

>>54621478
Dicking around in the warp I guess, think I heard the white scar one was in the webway racing eldar.

>>54621478

A bunch of them are missing, presumably slaughtering filth in the Eye of Terror and elsewhere. Nobody was known to the Imperial power structure though.

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>>54621471
I thought the goal was to bring Perterabo back in an Iron Cage, but Perturabo wasn't even there

Not only that but because Dorn literally marched his chapter to their doom, Perty gained enough of their gene seed to become a Daemon Primarch and became immortal. Dorn could have nuked Perty from orbit but because he was retarded, he made his enemy unkillable now

So on the topic of daemon princes, why isn't kharn one? He has certainly proven his worth and unlike abbadon and huron, he has made no attempt at avoiding this fat.

I stop playing around 4th. Came back and started reading new lore.
What the hell happen? Why is everything written like some deviantart fanfic.

There is a bloody painting scene in a HH novel with blood and cum for fuck sake.

>>54621478
Sort of. The Khan is supposedly somewhere in the webway.
Russ and Corax were both last seen heading towards the EoT
Dorn is MIA, but since only his hand was found it's theorised he Just As Planned so he could do something else(I was hoping he'd appear from the depths of the palace instead of Rowboat coming back)

>>54621476
Yes, dorn's a stubborn bastard, but somehow alpharius wasn't smart enough to realise that trying to persuade possibly the galaxy's stubbornist motherfucker face-to-face might not be the best course of action.

>>54621512
>Dorn determination to do so had two motivations. First, Dorn of course wanted to continue his crusade against the Traitor Legions and the Iron Warriors in particular. Second, Dorn decided to resolve the Codex Astartes Crisis by accepting the Codex but willed that the entire Imperial Fists Legion would symbolically enter into the pain glove together and emerge ready and willing to reorganize into Chapters.

Both were his goal.

>>54619459
I have a love for both but a preference for smaller games. A Kill Team Campaign was the most fun I've had in 40k.

>>54621533
So were they all gone by the time the inquisition and ministorum were founded? I can barely see any of the emperors sons allowing such a travesty to occur in the beginning.

>>54621525
>Why is everything written like some deviantart fanfic.
Wait til you read about the Grey Knights, who despite being utterly incorruptible by nature, slaughter some Sororitas and paint their armour with the blood, to protect themselves from daemonic corruption for some reason....

>>54621497
Only if they lose favor. The primarchs are too precious as assts for even the caprious dark gods to throw away lightly. Plus the major risk initially is spawndom, and if your a princes you've already avoided that fate for the most part.

>>54621557
The God Emperor thing was going even before the heresy.
Mostly getting to the conclusion by logic.

>emperor has been a thing as long as anyone can remember
>he is pretty powerful
>he might be a god or at least divine in some way

Then it spiral out of control and we have literal Emperors daemons with Worf's syndrome.

>>54621547
So his goal was to sacrifice all his men in order to make his enemy immortal? As opposed to just ordering them all into even more chapter splits? Still not seeing how this makes Dorn noble or intelligent, he just comes off as more retarded

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>>54621561

It was offensive to both Grey Knights and Sororitas

>>54621561
> paint their armour with the blood, to protect themselves from daemonically possessed nano machinery that kills living things regardless of how pure a being is*

Ftfy 1d4chan

>>54621561
Already did, then they remove it.
Also Orks outsmart and out tactic Tau, next codex the story is gone and shown as Orks completely destroy.
Tau lore went from cool underdog empire with hope and dreams to anime protagonist plot armour. And for some reason everyone turns mentally retarded when facing Tau.

Oh and SoB lore, went from proper army to less than marines but some how had one in every church in the imperium then went back to proper army.

>>54621557
The Inquisition was founded by Malcador and the Emperor during the Heresy.

>>54621591
His sons weren't impressed by the Chapter split and were being stubborn.

Dorn decided if they got ruthlessly slaughtered they might come around and accept the codex

>No that doesn't make sense.

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1x 4 Nobz, Kombi-Rokkits, Boss Nob.

Nob with Waaagh Banner

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Fast Attack

2x 4 Warbikers, Nob Biker, Power Klaw

Heavy Support

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Dedicated Transport

Trukk, Rokkit Launcha

Rate please.

>>54621588
I was under the assumption that it was going on in secret though because of how fervently the emperor was destroying religion. With the advent of the inquisition it wouldn't be a stretch to assume now it is taught in schools.

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>>54621624

>Wasting 39 points

Just think of all da dakka boss

>>54621622
Well it worked didn't it?

Can anyone share the new White Dwarf pdf or scans?

>>54621497
>aren't they mindless beasts?
No. Why would you think that?

>>54621478
Well magnus started being active again a sooner than girlyman but dont ask me how much earlier

>>54621604
So blood works because...?

>>54621622
Then he should have sent em into the warp to do a penitence crusade, again, he made his enemy, the one he sought to capture, become IMMORTAL

Dorn and his sons are retarded in the Iron Cage