This is Elric. Say something nice.

>>54607546
Circumstances kept you away from your filthy incestuous urges.

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>>54607559
You never had a cousin you wanted to fuck?

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Is that a new gorget? It's very nice.

>>54607585
No, nor any other close relative.

>>54607546

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnRqDsIngBo

>>54607701
“Elric offered Moonglum a smile that had gratitude in it. “You are—a good friend—I wonder why . . .” ...

>>54607546
Nice haircut, FAG.

>>54607546
Honestly, you're like only .1% as evil as most people think.

>>54607792
>Elric
>Evil

People honestly think this? Or god help us, a Sue?

>>54607805
He's evil in some ways, technically.
He's definitely extremely selfish and self-absorbed, and all but admits that half of the heroics he gets caught up in he does largely because he's bored and doesn't have anything better to do.

But yeah, other then these personal failings of character Stormbringer spoke truly.
>"I was a thousand times more Evil then thou."

>>54607832
He tries to be a good person which is surprising considering the shit surrounding him.

I find him fascinating even after all these years.
Nobody ever really figured out how to do an Elric expy well.

>>54607805
He's pretty evil, especially in the earlier books. Remember how his idea of great music is to surgically alter slaves so that they can only scream in one tone and then have them tortured so they scream in the proper pattern? That's kind of evil dude. Or you know, how he's okay with murdering god knows how many people and stealing/destroying their souls forever so he doesn't have to take the drugs that he actually can take to keep going when he doesn't have people to slaughter for strength?

>>54607546
Nice sword.

>>54607546
Elric vs Erekose. Who wins?

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>>54607871
>Remember how his idea of great music is to surgically alter slaves so that they can only scream in one tone and then have them tortured so they scream in the proper pattern? That's kind of evil dude.
That's not his personal view. It's what Melniboneans as a whole consider great music. He actually had several meetings with the Lords of the Young Kingdoms and was on good terms with them before the Yyrkoon incident arose. That's HOW his dipshit cousin got enough support to stage his coup. His own people thought he was too nice a guy.
>Or you know, how he's okay with murdering god knows how many people and stealing/destroying their souls forever so he doesn't have to take the drugs that he actually can take to keep going when he doesn't have people to slaughter for strength?
Uh, i don't think you know Elric all that well. He's not okay with it. Actually he's very much against it. It's just that Stormbringer don't act the way it should

>>54607918
Tough, but i'm actually giving this one to Erekose/ John Daker. Way more battle experience. And depending on what version of the sword his using, even Stormbringer isn't going to work.

Mind you, Elric can probably use a thousand summons to turn the tide. Something that Erekose can't do.

>>54607946
he's* using.

>>54607924
>That's not his personal view. It's what Melniboneans as a whole consider great music.
It's one that he shares. He sits back and enjoys that music in Elric of Melnibone.

>His own people thought he was too nice a guy.
Just because the Insanely Stupid Evil people think you're too nice doesn't actually mean you're nice/good. It just means you're less of a psycho than they are.

>. He's not okay with it. Actually he's very much against it.
He keeps doing it. And his years of marriage with Zarozinia demonstrate that he doesn't actually need to do it to keep going.

>>54607955
>It's one that he shares. He sits back and enjoys that music in Elric of Melnibone.
Well what was he gonna do? Not enjoy it? This was the sort of culture he was raised in. He was born and bred to be the leader of these assholes. The fact that he had pity and plenty of remorse under these circumstances shows his strength of character.
>He keeps doing it.
He never actively sought out to feed the sword except in the heat of battle and gave everyone ample warning to back off. Fortress of the Pearl has plenty of this example.
>>54607955
>And his years of marriage with Zarozinia demonstrate that he doesn't actually need to do it to keep going.
But don't forget that he was just chilling in his father in laws lands when that was going on. He wasn't a mercenary nor on the hunt for some love sick sorcerer during those years of peace.

>>54607955
>Insanely Stupid Evil
Well, they're not insane nor stupid. They just think of humans as little more than cattle.

>>54608032
>Well what was he gonna do? Not enjoy it? This was the sort of culture he was raised in
So? The values he holds, regardless of how he got them, are pretty damn evil, even if not as evil as the Melnibonean culture.

>The fact that he had pity and plenty of remorse under these circumstances shows his strength of character.
Someone who commits evil actions and enjoys the pain of others is evil, even if he feels bad about it later.

>He never actively sought out to feed the sword except in the heat of battle and gave everyone ample warning to back off. Fortress of the Pearl has plenty of this example.
But conversely, he also takes up a job where he goes around slaughtering people with it when he really doesn't have to. Hell, he doesn't even have to in order to fight, if you're restricting him to mercenaryish work.

>But don't forget that he was just chilling in his father in laws lands when that was going on. He wasn't a mercenary nor on the hunt for some love sick sorcerer during those years of peace.
He also wasn't on the hunt for anything in particular from Sailor of the Seas of Fate until Stormbringer, just kind of murder-hobing around. And even then, he doesn't actually need Stormbringer in order to function.

>>54607805
>>54607832
It was a joke.
>"I was a thousand times more Evil then thou."
What is .1% times 1000?

>>54608101
>The values he holds, regardless of how he got them, are pretty damn evil, even if not as evil as the Melnibonean culture
Yeah but that's only in the beginning of Elric of Melnibone. By the Sleeping Sorceress he's not the same person anymore.
>Someone who commits evil actions and enjoys the pain of others is evil, even if he feels bad about it later.
But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
>he also takes up a job where he goes around slaughtering people with it when he really doesn't have to. Hell, he doesn't even have to in order to fight, if you're restricting him to mercenaryish work.
He only worked as a mercenary on special occasions, like how he first met Moonglum and wanted to find the Book of the Dead Gods. Or how Yishana wanted him to find out what was going on.
>>54608101
>He also wasn't on the hunt for anything in particular from Sailor of the Seas of Fate until Stormbringer, just kind of murder-hobing around.
Um. I don't think you know your Elric to be saying this. Theleb K'Aarna ring a bell? He definitely had it out for that Pan Tang asshole. Especially after the siege on Tanelorn and being responsible for Myshella's death. That's how he met Zarozinia.

>>54608193
>But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
Actually, tell a lie. Fall of Melnibone was relatively evil. I guess?
But going back to Fortress, he did give those backstabbing sandniggers a righteous sacking.

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>>54607924
>sponk

>>54607546
Gay and overrated. Literally every other Michael Moorcock protagonist is better than this albino weakling.

>>54608193
>But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
He very willingly adventures around with a literal hellsword that he can barely control, full well knowing that it's going to try to kill his friends and that he can't stop it. He knows damn well that even when he goes after evil people (which is not everyone he goes after) he's going to be carving a wide swath through a bunch of pretty ordinary mooks, and he's condemning every single one of them to eternal damnation.

That's evil dude. It's not malicious in the classical sense, but it displays an enormous and callous disregard for the consequences of his actions.

>He only worked as a mercenary on special occasions, like how he first met Moonglum and wanted to find the Book of the Dead Gods. Or how Yishana wanted him to find out what was going on.
Yeah, I forgot all those times when he's tracking people down for revenge or just adventuring for shits and giggles.

>Um. I don't think you know your Elric to be saying this. Theleb K'Aarna ring a bell? He definitely had it out for that Pan Tang asshole.
This is not helping your case that he's not evil. Sure, he had motivations underlying his adventures (even if half the time he winds up on something completely unrelated to his original goal), but they're mostly selfish, and often cause considerable collateral damage.

>>54607546
He has a hot cousin.

>>54608562
>He very willingly adventures around with a literal hellsword that he can barely control, full well knowing that it's going to try to kill his friends and that he can't stop it
Not in the beginning. He did think he could control it. He even stopped it from taking Yyrkoon's life. But like any other drug addict, he thought he was beyond its influence. He very clearly was not.
>He knows damn well that even when he goes after evil people (which is not everyone he goes after) he's going to be carving a wide swath through a bunch of pretty ordinary mooks, and he's condemning every single one of them to eternal damnation.
Well duh. He knows that just as they know what they're going up against. Never was there a situation when he fought someone that didn't know the risks that Stormbringer posed. Not once.
>Yeah, I forgot all those times when he's tracking people down for revenge or just adventuring for shits and giggles.
>but they're mostly selfish, and often cause considerable collateral damage.
Exactly. He's an idiot. Sometimes selfish and cruel but he's not evil. He wants to do good. Even with his Melnibonean upbringing there is good in him.
He even managed saved all the children when the Lords of Law were battling the Lords of Chaos in the city of Xanardwys and stopped Quelch from killing the child seer.
He makes stupid decisions which bring misery to himself and people around him. But evil? Never.

>>54608733
>Never was there a situation when he fought someone that didn't know the risks that Stormbringer posed. Not once.
Go ask the Kelmain if they knew the risks involved in fighting a dude with Stormbringer. There's certainly no indication that they did. Or what about those random guards that Theleb Kaarna always has hanging around? The begger scum of Nadsokor?

>Exactly. He's an idiot. Sometimes selfish and cruel but he's not evil. He wants to do good. Even with his Melnibonean upbringing there is good in him.
He's very articulate, skilled, sorcerously powerful, and knowledgable for someone who is "Just an idiot". He even plans reasonably well when he's not being too hotblooded and vengancey to give a shit. Being selfish and cruel and casually contemptuous for the consequences of your destructive rampages is more than enough to be an evil man.

>He even managed saved all the children when the Lords of Law were battling the Lords of Chaos in the city of Xanardwys and stopped Quelch from killing the child seer.
Evil doesn't mean EVERY ACTION IS EVIL ALL THE TIME. Yes, he does good actions. That's why he's a recognizeable character and not a cardboard cutout. There are people who tickle his sympathy and he tries to help. You can apply the same kind of logic to Stalin, and I don't think you'll find too many people arguing that guy isn't evil.

>He makes stupid decisions which bring misery to himself and people around him. But evil? Never.
When he knows the consequences of those stupid decisions and makes them repeatedly, often knowing ahead of time that they'll come out very, very badly, yes, that is evil.

>>54607924
Is that just an illustration of one of the scenes from the novels or an actual full comic?

If the second is the case could anyone provide me with a link or a name to find it under?

>>54608812
>Go ask the Kelmain if they knew the risks involved in fighting a dude with Stormbringer. There's certainly no indication that they did.
That you got me on. But they were cannon fodder at best.
>Or what about those random guards that Theleb Kaarna always has hanging around?
Oh come on, of course they knew the risks. They were being hunted by a world renown sorcerer and warrior wielding a instantly recognizable soul stealing sword. There are other jobs available.
>Just an idiot
Of course he's an idiot. Because every time he makes a bad decisions that he knows won't turn out well for him, he ignores common sense and does it anyway. He brings sorrow and pain to everyone around him but mostly to himself.
>There are people who tickle his sympathy and he tries to help.
He mostly kept to himself. Even as he laid dying in the gutters of Quarzhasaat with Stormbringer in hand, he opted to keep himself secluded. Never did he go out with the intent of spilling blood or feeding the sword up until the beginning of Stormbringer which considering the forces at work, was the only viable option.
>When he knows the consequences of those stupid decisions and makes them repeatedly, often knowing ahead of time that they'll come out very, very badly, yes, that is evil.
Then you and I don't seem to agree on the definition of evil.

Elric is flawed, ignorant, prideful and sometimes selfish and cruel but he isn't evil.
A good example of a Byronic hero.

>>54607918
Corum because he's actually a good guy

>>54608980
It's the second. And can do you one better.

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>>54607546
You're not responsible for Vancian Casting.

>>54609009

Thanks, noble scholar.

On the note of Eric using the sword, his drug supply would often falter and basically tethered him to an area where he could get more herbs. When he was fighting, storm bring was vastly more dependable.

>>54609302
>On the note of Eric using the sword, his drug supply would often falter and basically tethered him to an area where he could get more herbs.
Yep. Which is why he never strayed far from Imryr in his youth.

>>54609302
Also on the afterlife, it's not as though stormbringer was a worse option than them being claimed by some chaos lord.

>>54607546
You did your best.

Favorite Elric moment?

>>54607546
Who is this guy and why should I care?

>>54609962

When someone he cared for or loved or considered a comrade died before his very eyes and by his hand.

>>54610128
He's an albino faggot and you shouldn't care.

>>54610128
Dark fantasy at its most pure. One of the main reasons this board exists.

>>54607546
He's not the worst fictional character I've come across.

>>54607546
"Greetings you're highness"

>>54610264
I don't know this character but I don't agree with you. something tells me this series might be interesting checking out?

>>54610285
is dark fantasy the name of the series?

>>54607546
At least you weren't as wicked as your sword.

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>>54610261
Whose death was more tragic?
Cymoril's or Zarozinia's?

And why would Eva Green 10 years ago be the perfect casting choice for the former?
>>54610448
>is dark fantasy the name of the series?
Obviously not. This is Elric of Melnibone. It's one the major influences on DnD and Warhammer. It's one of the series that helped define the fantasy genre going forward.

>>54607546
Your latest comic book reboot is pretty good so far

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>>54607589

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>>54607871
>what si raeidgn ocmprehension
t. retard

>>54607546
Elric you fucking retard. Why did you give Yyrkoon the throne you bleeding idiot.

>>54608166
100%

>>54610264
>>54610285
Is there porn?

>>54607736
Moorcock has some fine heartwarming moments.
>>54607860
He's actually quite a samaritan considering his background, if you're into a little bit of determinism (i am). This leads me to something... Considering how nice Cymorill sounded, you think she had potential to be good as well (with all due proportions since she's melnibonean), or was she just horny and trying to pillow-talk Elric?

>>54614365
I wish. Cymoril porn would be amazing.

>>54607924
keeps calling me it's master

>>54611291
Why does he wear the gorget?

>>54608999
good guys finish buried in a mound by their girlfriends

>>54614408
Moorcock actually commented on this. Cymorill was a typical Melnibonean but she was legit in love with Elric. So she was confused about why he didn't want to do the same things the others were into. But also was trying to understand it.

Kind of like some nerdy dude who spends all his time reading random philosophy from bugfuck who and collecting toy men. While his GF is some sports star who spend all her time at parties and tries to understand why he wastes his time so much.

>>54614432
Keeps calling me its master, but I feel like its slave

>>54614507
hauling me, faster an faster
to an early early grave

>>54614521
>>54614507
>>54614432
>>54607924
for those who don't get the reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCxL3-Fl7bM

>>54614492
genuinely cute... I guess if seductive psychos can make girls go evil then the opposite could be true.

>>54608214
>Fall of Melnibone was relatively evil. I guess?
he killed a chaotic evil race for being chaotic evil... that's at least CG.

>>54610261
so, all of it?

>>54610448
this guy gets it. most dnd parties consist of a
>Elric expy
>Conan/Kull expy
>Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser expys
and so on an so forth

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>>54610472
>Obviously not. This is Elric of Melnibone. It's one the major influences on DnD and Warhammer. It's one of the series that helped define the fantasy genre going forward.

thank you anon. you are doing gods work and by presenting and educating newfags like me you are the difference between /b/, /a/ and /tg/ and you are making this hobby less fangled and shitsmeared just by molding withy your words and sharing with others. I am grateful I saw this thread today.

I wuv you

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>>54611291
don't leave the speech bubble empty!

>>54615127
remember, It was originally written when morcocks editors asked him to make something like Conan, and made a story about someone Conan would be killing.

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>>54615959
the author never have any relevance to it's finished product

that would be an ad hominem

He thinks you are tasty.

>>54607805
>draining the life force of bleeding slaves to sustain your own
>murdering a farmer and his family to entertain your soldiers

:^)

>>54615959
I'm pretty sure they told him there was a lot of Conan ripoffs so he should try to avoid that if possible. Then he took avoid as "Do the very opposite with in every way."

>>54616754
At least that's what I remeber anyhow. They told him to make something sword and sorcery Conan like but with something different to set it apart from the ripoffs.

Though thinking on it the funnest part to me was that they asked him to write it when he was depressed. Which explains far too much with how moody Elric tended to be and how things always went wrong. I think it has kind of become as stable that most of the works of fiction I like was made by depressed dudes in someones basement.

>>54616749
>Murdering someone from a species that holds the same value as a cow to please your species
https://youtu.be/ZjtA30DQdDU?t=2
Now, seriously, wasn't stormbringer manipulating him into killing, coming back to him when he threw it in the ocean, and generally killing people mostly by it's own volition(and against Elric's) by using his body mostly as a parasite would use a host?

>>54617459
Yep. Stormbringer was always a piece of shit.

>>54607955
What's normal to the spider is chaos to the fly.
He's not evil in context. But his context sure is.

>>54607546
"You incarnation Corum is a cool and decent guy. So... good job reincarnating into him, I guess"

>>54607546
You're looking handsome this evening~

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>>54607546
I was a thousand times more evil than thou.

>>54619384
Stormbringer just wanted to be his waifu tho

>>54619400
>Literal phallic symbol with no orifices
I'd say husbando, not waifu.

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>>54607559
>incestuous urges
>cousins
The US is one of very few countries that consider this incest.

>>54619483
Only so they can feel dirty while they do it senpai.

>>54619450
In the comic, Stormbringer is one of the chaos gods daughters, and calls him it's beloved

>>54619483
Damn I wish I knew what the colors meant

>>54619581
Dark blue: First-cousin marriage legal
Light blue: Allowed with restrictions or exceptions
Orange: Legality dependent on religion or culture
Red: Statute bans first-cousin marriage
Pink: Banned with exceptions
Dark red: Criminal offence
Grey: No available data

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>>54619450
Waifu. Best waifu.

I would kill to see Elric run into Corwin.

>>54607546
Your daughter's hot.

>>54623531
But who would win in a fight?

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>>54619450
STORMBRINGER IS PURE

>>54624152
Greyswandir ducks up chaos something fierce, but is less powerful I reckon. I don't know if Corwin ' s hardiness beats Elric's. Corwin doesn't use much magic other than planeswalking, but is aware of it.
Might not want to fight.

>>54624372
Less powerful than storm bringer, I meant. >>54624372

>>54624372
Corwin's power spikes too much throughout the series, so we'd have to set which corwin is elric fighting... there's also the question wether Stormbringer would be able to suck corwin's soul since it seems to sometimes be uneffective towards extradimensional/otherworldly beings. Also, would corwin be able to recover from stormbringer's injuries by mindwalking the pattern?, It does keep a backup of his soul so maybe it could work against his soul bein sucked.
Post-spikard merlin could easily do it though.

>>54624372
>>54624562
Elric has this one down. He'll either start summoning elemental forces or the Chaos gods directly if things get hairy.

Either that or he summons a million black swords.

>>54624562
Post spikard Merlin just goes, "Hey, Ghostwheel, my boy, could you help your old man with a spot of bother? Just find this man(?) And release a few gigajoules inside his chest, there's a good lad."

>>54624152
If Elric isn't using one of his sorcerous tricks to bring in something that Corwin can't deal with, I'd give heavy odds to the prince of Amber. Stormbringer's a better sword than Greyswandir, but Corwin's strong enough to pick up a car. So as long as he can avoid getting hit (and he's probably a better man with the blade; Elric's a good swordsman, but Corwin's like top 5 in the multiverse), he'll probably overpower Elric.

>>54625164
If Merlin's got the spikard he won't even need Ghostweel's help. That blast he throws at Jurt in the 4th book would "Rupture his organs and leave him a bleeding mass of jelly" if not for the toughening he gets from the font of power.

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>>54625232
>Elric's a good swordsman, but Corwin's like top 5 in the multiverse), he'll probably overpower Elric.
Probably but Elric has two wildcards at his side. Those sorcerous tricks you're talking about(Corwin would instantly lose if Arioch joins the fray) and that cunt of a sword, Stormbringer. It's got a mind of its own and fights with the wielder. It's insta kill probably won't work on Corwin but it's damn ruthless. Can even teleport if necessary or just materialize out of a guys throat.

>>54625304
As counterpoints, most of Elric's sorcerous allies are fickle, hard to summon, or both. I can't remember any instances in the Elric books where he just runs into something ans has a summon on hand to deal with it, it's usually something he only pulls when he has time and resources to put into it.

Secondly, while Stomrbringer is extremely powerful, it does need to hit someone to work with it. Elric's had trouble with very skilled but otherwise normal warriors. Corwin is probably a league above those guys. I'm actually assuming it's instakill would work on Corwin, but I'm pretty doubtful Elric could land a hit on him before Corwin either perforates him or just crushes his windpipe or something.

That's also leaving out Corwin's bag of tricks like

>Pull out gun and shoot him.
>Use shadow-shifting powers to do something similar to Random's trick against that silver serpent.
>Use the Jewel of Judgment (if in possession) to Kentucky-fry Elric with lightning.
Etc.

>>54625410
>. I can't remember any instances in the Elric books where he just runs into something ans has a summon on hand to deal with it, it's usually something he only pulls when he has time and resources to put into it.
There are a few instances where the summons are quick. He manages to summon that insect swarm rather fast. But yeah, most of them are fickle. Arioch would only intervene if Elric had literally no other way of escape since he needs Elric for his own ends.
>Elric's had trouble with very skilled but otherwise normal warriors
Actually, i can't think of anyone he had real trouble against that could be considered "normal". He literally cleaves through an entire army at one point and only stops because Stormbringer can't keep up with the swathes of souls being headed its way.
>I'm actually assuming it's instakill would work on Corwin, but I'm pretty doubtful Elric could land a hit on him before Corwin either perforates him or just crushes his windpipe or something.
Corwin is definitely a better fighter but it all rests on how bad Stormbringer wants its opponent dead.
So the best option really is just to shoot him before Stormbringer starts causing all sorts of problems. Because if its brothers and sisters start raining down, the fight is over.

>>54607546

Who's Elric?

>>54625762
El Ric, infamous mass murderer and drug lord.

>>54625595
I could have sworn he has trouble bringing down that merchant, Nikorn. "At times he was not on the defensive solely because he wished it", and such. But it's been a while since I read the books. And doesn't he have trouble with some dude with an axe? Something with the purple towns maybe? I have that image stuck in my head but I can't place it.

On the note of Elric's evil, the question comes up what it takes to define a person as evil. Because Elric does some rather undeniably evil things in his life, but his fundamental character isn't malicious and he does seek to do good ultimately. Do evil actions define someone as evil, or is it a matter of their nature and character? Deontology versus virtue ethics.

>>54625917
>. And doesn't he have trouble with some dude with an axe? Something with the purple towns maybe?
Can't recall this at all.
>"At times he was not on the defensive solely because he wished it",
I think this incident was relatively swift. Stormbringer gets more effect the more it kills mind you.

>>54625970
Well what do you think then?
Is he evil? And does he deserve his fate?

>>54625970
>>54626042
Actually, are you sure you're not thinking of something going on with Nadsokor?

>>54626066
I think he deserves his fate because his actions lead to it, not because of any moral failing on his part. I think he was ultimately as good as he reasonably be under his circumstances and upbringing, and undeniably the best of his people.

>>54626066
The correct answer is always that stormbringer was the only good guy in Elric and that everyone else is irredeemably evil. Hail chaos!

>>54626042
Still though, it makes my point; Stomrbringer can't just slice through even an ordinary sword, (and Greyswandir is not an ordinary sword), and Elric isn't supernaturally gifted as a swordsman, just high on the competent league.

At least to me, that makes Corwin a better swordsman, endowed with colossal strength, and armed with a blade that might not be as good as Stormbringer, but will still kill you real dead if he connects. I'd bet on him in a blade fight.

>>54626125
Shut up heretic.

>>54626111
>I think he deserves his fate because his actions lead to it, not because of any moral failing on his part.
Yeah but it's just that even after all the horrible things that happen to him, Stormbringer takes away what little peace he could have had. Taking his soul for aeons until its somewhat restored in an entirely different series.
>>54626125
FUCK OFF STORMBRINGER.

>>54626199
That's true, but as I said, his actions lead to it. In an uncaring universe, that's really all that needs to be said in whether he deserved it or not. At least in my opinion.

>>54626128
Personally for me I would say it depends massively on the set up for the fight. If Corwin and Elric gets into it right after Elric has killed half an army with stormbringer he has much better odds. Corwin is powerful but he isn't Benedict tier.

It would also depend on who is the first person to start swinging and things like that. It's kind of like rocket tag. Elric has powerful summons and can one hit kill. While Corwin can use Shadow tricks to effectively one hit kill as well and in general is a great swordsmen. Then again it is shown that even the royalty can be surprised by things in the multiverse and how strong and skilled they can be.

I kind of feel the fight really comes down to who decides to fight to kill first and how powerful the lords of chaos are in the world they are fighting due to Arioch.

>>54625970

How much would you care about his end-justify-the-means goals if you had to die to Stormbringer as part of them?

He's fucking evil every second wielding that sword when not in pursuit of something worse than itself.

>>54626558

>How much would you care about his end-justify-the-means goals if you had to die to Stormbringer as part of them?
But he never goes after innocents and everyone that decide to cross swords with him know the risks(or atleast most of them do) He wields the forces of darkness against even greater evil.

>>54625088
>>54626279
>>54626128
>>54626042
>>54625917
>>54625410
After the fifth book Corwin is pretty much an omnipotent creature in his own universe so let's downplay him to before he created his pattern. while Elric was able to summon shit quickly once or twice I doubt he could do it under the pressure of a fight against Corwin, and he does have the jewel to, as someone said, Kentucky-fry Elric if there's any non-melee distance involved. There's also the fact that Corwin could planeswalk right out of anywhere but amber if things got ugly enough.
Elric does have stormbringer, which could bring him to be on par in maybe strength and stamina, but Corwin's swordplay is Arthurian to say the least. While many anos have been saying Arioch could come to help, wouldn't the unicorn be royally pissed at this?
>>54625762
Albino not-elf, protagonist from a series of pulp fantasy books, suffers from not being accepted by his species or the humas, still gets laid left and right, has a sword that sucks souls and a demonic patron that's quite a bitch to deal with, is destined to keep the balance between law and chaos in the multiverse, is physically weak but gets stronger when under influence of special drugs, or when his sword feeds him soul power. Also has a thing for losing the few (lots of) people he loves.

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>>54626694
>Elric does have stormbringer, which could bring him to be on par in maybe strength and stamina, but Corwin's swordplay is Arthurian to say the least.
Speaking of that, Arthur is another aspect of the Eternal Champion. So yeah, take that for what you will. So is Lancelot if i remember Dragon in the Sword correctly.
>While many anos have been saying Arioch could come to help, wouldn't the unicorn be royally pissed at this?
Yeah, but at the same time Arioch isn't a demon. He's a primal lord of chaos that doesn't give a single solitary shit and can warp reality on a whim.
>and he does have the jewel to, as someone said, Kentucky-fry Elric if there's any non-melee distance involved.
If we're going by that, then Elric also has the the ring of kings. Which not only works as a conductor for his summons but also has the ability to summon the Warriors on the Edge of Time. An army of Eternal Champions ready to fight at a moments notice.

>>54626558
it's not much "end justifies the means" as "i threw my sword into the ocean and it came back and killed my hot cousin, also my chaos patron told me to be a good boy, and while he's kind of shit I saw a world devoid of chaos and it's as bad as a world made entirely of it so I guess I'll take this 'eternal champion' stuff more seriously except everyone died"

>>54626792
>Arthur is another aspect of the Eternal Champion
sure, but Elric's swordsmanship was always treated as "good despite him being weak" while Corwin is "fuck man, he'd fight anything but benedict"
>Arioch isn't a demon. He's a primal lord of chaos that doesn't give a single solitary shit and can warp reality on a whim.
The reality of a small nexus of worlds, while the unicorn represents law of half of all the possible multiverses. There's a difference in magnitude here.
>If we're going by that, then Elric also has the the ring of kings. Which not only works as a conductor for his summons but also has the ability to summon the Warriors on the Edge of Time. An army of Eternal Champions ready to fight at a moments notice.
That''s a good point, but even with the ring of kings, speed was never his forte. I'm talking about "fry you with thunder and planeswalk" distance, though I guess That sounds more like Brand than Corwin.

>>54626694
>wouldn't the unicorn be royally pissed at this?

I'd say the big problem here is more I wouldn't really expect the Unicorn to just pop up instantly to save Corwin if he is in a bad situation. Elric basically has Arioch on phone dial So Corwin would likely die first in that situation which I would count as a Win even if higher powers might screw over Elric harder for it. Pretty much it comes down to who gets serious first and how fast they resort to their trump cards.

>>54626558
Since when did what I care about define whether something is good and evil? Don't bother with cheap emotional ploys.

>>54626889
>The reality of a small nexus of worlds, while the unicorn represents law of half of all the possible multiverses. There's a difference in magnitude here.
Sort of? Kind of? Different rulesets applied to both. Arioch's power fluctuates on each place of existence depending on where the Balance is shifted but he's powerful enough to render universes apart.
Arioch is on every single part of the multiverse. Every one of them. You only got Mabelode, Chadros and Slortar ever described as being higher up on the food chain than him when it came to the Lords of Chaos.
And both sides of the spectrum need to obey the Balance.

>>54626929
I'm not saying the Unicorn would be pissed at Corwin's death... he generally keeps to himself. The thing is, Arioch being a lord of chaos, even if comparatively small in magnitude, would be disrespecting law by interfering in Elric x Corwin. The unicorn does interfere a lot when the serpent is involved.
>>54627019
Not really. Elric's Arioch couldn't even go to Corum's universe. Corwin himself can theoretically go back and forth between each. The unicorn kinda IS half all of the universes (at least up to the point corwin creates a whole new reality). And while arioch needs to obey the balance, the unicorn and the serpent are quite against doing this as seen in their war for ghostwheel.

>>54627097
>Elric's Arioch couldn't even go to Corum's universe.
Yeah because his power isn't the same on each level of the Multiverse. Elric broke down the barriers of his world and started the countdown for armageddon when he first summoned Arioch to help him find Yyrkoon. On Corum's reality, Arioch created the human race but couldn't enter it physically because the barrier was too strong. When Xiombarg entered and tried to interfere directly, the Balance materialized and knocked her back outside that universe.
>And while arioch needs to obey the balance
You're getting this wrong. He doesn't NEED to obey the balance. He's against it but he can't defy it since it's too powerful of a force.

>>54627220
>He doesn't NEED to obey the balance. He's against it but he can't defy it since it's too powerful of a force
not being able to defy something is needing to obey it by definition.
The unicorn and the serpent are the cloth law and chaos beings are even made from, they'd be the gods to gods.

>>54627311
>not being able to defy something is needing to obey it by definition.
And every time an opportunity arose they defied it. There are actually levels of reality where Chaos has won. Some with Law.
>The unicorn and the serpent are the cloth law and chaos beings are even made from, they'd be the gods to gods.
Fine, but as i said different rules apply here with different cosmology. I don't even want to go into the stuff about the Holy Grail.
But the other anon said it best. >>54626929

>>54626694

What series? I swear, getting a simple, straight answer from anyone around here is like getting blood from a stone.

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>>54628116
Literally, Elric of Melnibone.

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>>54625762

Last of his line.
Kinslayer.
Spoiler.
Reaver
Womanslayer
The Eternal Champion.
428th Emperor of Melnibone.
Assassin of his people.
The Wolf of the Snarling Sea,
Wielder of the black sword Stormbringer.
Chosen of Arioch.
Fate's fool.
Time's tool.
Pawn of Fate.
The White Wolf.

Elric of Melnibone.

>>54628116
Chronicles of Amber.

>>54619527
The only reason not to bang your cousin is the sheer awkwardness it would make with your uncles and aunts.

>>54607832
>>54607871
>>54608562
>>54609302

I don't want to quote the whole thread but I address this question to the people I quoted and to the rest of you who know this character or have actually read the books.

What the hell is wrong with you, and are you the same people who shit on GRRM and Rothfuss, while liking this? Is this actual published work that earned this writer money? This is on the level of American superhero comics, except EDGE.

>>54629414
This. Honestly, if I didn't just read that this was a book series, I'd think it's an anime.
>Elric would win in a fight because he's got a soul-stealing demon sword that will just materialize in your throat!
It's all anime power-level shit. Wow, fucking awesome, this made up person can murder everyone in his made up world. So rad!

>>54629414
>GRRM
I don't know why you would try to defend one over the other. GRRM has clearly taken a lot of inspiration from Moorcock. Either you're into their type of fantasy or your not. I'm not.

>>54629414
Wasn't Elric originally made because Moorecock was told to make like Conan (comic version) for his publisher? So literally direct response to early American cape comics?

And then Moorecock went and did his best to create the exact opposite under the guise of going, "Sure thing, boss"?

>>54629414
Show respect. Without this series in particular, many of the things we take for granted in these hobbies that we enjoy wouldn't exist.

Just read the books pleb.

>>54629414
Wow. Pulp dark fantasy is GASP pulp dark fantasy. It isn't any more ridiculous than W40k.

>>54629465
>It's all anime power-level shit. Wow, fucking awesome, this made up person can murder everyone in his made up world. So rad!

its 4chan, 4chan is full of weebs, weebs will make anything cool sound retarded and gay

look at any other thread on this board and you will realize its all the same

>>54628116
Elric of Melniboné. The guy who said Chronicles of Amber is lying, that's the books that refer to Corwin.

>>54629414
Oh well, how to put it... Moorcock chose that style for the sake of breaking with genre fiction conventions. In a time when Hard-SF was staple the.....
you know what, just read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_science_fiction

>>54629414
>GRRM and Rothfuss
Because it knows it's edgy, and doesn't take itself seriously for it. Elric is a hero that would literally be fucking some queen one week and lather that week fighting giant butterfly beasts because her sorcerous boy-toy felt cucked. GRRM is just some fuck who writes every single fucking character as if they were on the redhead side of Corwin's family so tweens think they're reading this supercool and subtle spy-vs-spy, pen-mightier-than-sword-except-when-not, sexuallly-mature-because-it-has-incest plot, when they're actually just entering his magical realm where his sue waifu gets everything.
Elric has SUE written in capital letters on his forehead, that's already out of the way, he will be a sue and you can read it or not. What Moorcock offers you is not the ego-stroke reading GRRM does, it offers you worldbuilding, pulp adventure and alien personality introspection.
If every anime since 1995 wanted to do it and most did it badly, well, that's life, but that doesn't mean it's undoable, even more so if your character isn't human to begin with.
Haven't talked about Rothfuss because I never read it.

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>>54607546
e has some breddy gud fan art

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>>54619483
Today I learned that the word for little sister and wife were the same in Archaic Japanese. Anime is just traditional Japanese culture re-asserting itself after centuries of Buddhist oppression.

>>54631201
wut

>>54629465
>A classic fantasy book series that is one of the most defining of western fantasy literature
>Sounds like an anime

This post is flat out retarded. I felt my IQ points dropping while reading it. Comparing a classic swords and sorcery book to a art-form mostly known for slice of life shows.

Not gonna lie, former Yrykoon supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Melnibone crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get Mournblade.

>>54631024
>Elric has SUE written in capital letters on his forehead

My real question though is who the hell would want to be Elric? The dude ruins everything he loves and dies a horrible death. Elric doesn't want to be Elric.

>>54634633
>Melnibone crash and burn

Melnibone was like a decaying corpse at the time. The only moral think to do is put the empire out of it's misery. To do otherwise is an insult to the true empire.

>>54634105
And both are just as poorly written.

>>54634837
That post didn't say poorly written. It was saying that one random books series is comparable to an entire medium.

Effectively it's a non-sequitur on the scale of saying because someone doesn't like how someone explains a random movie. The movie sounds like the entire medium of written books therefor all written books are badly written. And if someone is talking about genre fiction being poorly written on /tg/ of all places they are even stupider. Simply because it's going to a fantasy game image board to state the obvious. Genre fiction isn't true literature by any means.

Anyone got the link of the new comic as shown in >>54631201 ? I read the novels because i read the news about its publication.

>>54634802
That's the catch people who didn't read the book didn't get. It's not like in anime where your parents are dead but that's ok because it only means you have incredible powers and has a harem.
>>54634956
>Genre fiction isn't true literature by any means.
Why? Because when it is you call it magical realism?

No. Overrated garbage. I do t have a single good thing to say about the entire series.

Love the shit out of him.
One if the best fantasy series ever written

>>54631201
What's the company?

I see him now a veteran ifva thousand psychic wars

>>54631490
I mean, those two words being the same is not that difficult to imagine, especially if the wife traditionally is younger than the man. I have certainly heard of of stranger things.

>>54636726
Been living on the edge so long

>>54638364
Where the winds of limbo roar

>>54607546
YOU FUCKED UP SON

>>54638971
That's not very nice.

>>54638971
Stormbringer was always worse.

>>54640353
A thousand times worse.

>>54607924
Cultösaurus is the greatest album of all time and I love you.

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>>54614552
Purifying sluts. Patrician taste.

>>54619483
I laugh at anyone who's from a non-red country.

>>54619483
>I'm in blue


Oh nuts....

>>54642111
It your microshorts still show half of your asscheeks, you're not gotten very far from the slut-zone.

What is the best way to get into Elric/Eternal Champion?

>>54625762
A nerd fantasy self-insert. Basically scrawny social outcast, who gets fit and laid for no effort because lol demons.

>>54644106
Yeah, she's basically just become a slightly more fashionable slut.

>>54631024
>GRRM is just some fuck who writes every single fucking character as if they were on the redhead side of Corwin's family
I get the metaphor you're making. Someone here got it, good job.

>>54614521

(black) BLAAAADE!!!

>>54644669
>>54631024

Jesus fuck I love Amber.
Here's hoping the TV series is both good and successful.

>>54644210
>What is the best way to get into Elric/Eternal Champion?
Start at the very beginning of the Elric saga and pick up the actual story called the Eternal Champion. Helps wrap your head around the big concepts that are going on

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>>54644883
We all do. Here's hoping it's good and that Elric follows suit.

>>54644222
Why would you want to BE Elric? I don't get this mentality.

>>54644882
BLACK
BLADE bladeblade

>>54644959

Forged a billion years ago

>>54607924
I like how it looks like he's smiling in the bottom left panel. It makes him seems snakily sarcastic

>>54645218
Don't look too much into it. It's just an art fail. That particular volumes degrades in quality since the company was going bust.

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>>54625762
How can you not know who Elric is.

>>54644883
Wait, what? There's going to be a TV series of Amber?

You know it's going to be shit. But here's hoping they'll make the fight up the face of Kolvir really cool

>>54645902
Sky TV. Hoping to become the next big thing after GoT finishes.

>>54645985
Should be interesting but imo, it's gonna fail.