/exg/ - Exalted General

Anyone have the pastbin of the mouse of the sun? I heard they buffed it from the leak.

>>54579828
>So a preview of The Realm has been posted on onyx path. What do you guys think of it?
I think that they'll make great antagonists for Solar PCs who set up their own little empire in the Dreaming Sea. With 2000 Dragonblooded, they'll be no pushover, and unlike the main body of the Realm, there's no building civil war to distract them from waging a war against an Anathema kingdom.

>>54580280

Couldn't find a pastebin, so I had to make one.

https://pastebin.com/r6v3kbyC

>>54580518

They probably have their own localized political stuff to worry about, though.

>>54580826
awesome thanks,

>>54580826
Good Stuff. Do you also have the Rantai pastebin?

>>54580874

https://pastebin.com/Eaxv3X9q

>>54580996
thanks

>>54580518
2000? Weren't there 10K on the Blessed Isle alone in 2e? They increased the number of Solars too right? Are DBs a lot stronger relatively than before or are they as a group just way less relevant?

>>54581098
Word of God in 3e is

>The Realm has ~15,000 Dragon-Blooded, of whom ~5000 are Lost Eggs. Lookshy has ~5,000, and there are ~5000 Outcastes.

>>54581141
And now 2,000 more on top of that. God damn it this has ruined by Dragonblood Exaltation ratio formulas.

Well, back to the drawing board.

Now what I want to know is the sort of shit that the sorcerors of Ysyr have pulled to be able to contend with an empire ruled by 2000 Dragonblooded.

It should be theoretically possible for them to pull off Finesse 1, Ambition 2 Solar Workings, Finesse 3 Celestial Workings, or Finesse 5 Terrestrial Workings.

Any thoughts? Personally, I'd be tempted to give them things like the Pillar Men from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (created with Ambition 3 Celestial Workings, on a par with 2nd Circle Demons).

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>>54580826
Is that the leak stats? The preview for Hundred Devils Night Parade has different stats then this pastebin.

>>54581829
Plot magic. Pure plot magic. One does not stop 2000 exalted though magic tricks.

>>54582082
They could have some sort of Powerful N/A artifact that amps their magic. Their could be a magic engine that feeds their specific kind of sorcery making them able to cast celestial level spells within their territory.

>>54582082
Solar Circle Workings, anon. For supernatural minions, they've got 2nd Circle Demons, Lesser Elemental Dragons, maybe some Liminal Exalted, and almost certainly masses of 1st Circle soldiers in addition to their mortal mutant janissaries.

>>54582466
Solar Workings would take fucking decades for mortals to accomplish.

>>54579828
>So a preview of The Realm has been posted on onyx path. What do you guys think of it?
I think Prasad offers a great alternative to playing a Dragonblood from the Blessed Isle or Lookshy.

I'm very excited for this book but do they plan on releasing it alongside Dagonbloods or before?

>>54583000
After Dragonbloods.

Arms->Dragonblooded->Realm

>>54579828
>https://pastebin.com/RmUiuBKR
> She prioritizes her career above all else, and has not made any effort to settle down and marry a man or woman as a result.
Why would a Realm Dragon-Blooded marry homosexually? They're supposed to marry to make children.

>>54582082
Sorcery isn't exactly "magic tricks", though.

>>54582485
Nobody's suggested that sorcerers of Ysyr shit out Solar Circle Workings constantly. They've probably managed a few of those,´, though, and thse few would be a big deal. More generally, Ysyr probably had centuries o build its sorcerous infrastructure and crreate all kinds of powerful weapons and servants before it first came in meaningful contact with Prasad.

>>54579828

So, let's say you have a Perfect Circle of more-or-less starting Exalted, and you're a region which is marked for re-conquest by the Realm. You want to give the Realm a real bloody nose by fucking with them.

How do you go about it? Assuming that your guys have - at most - minor artifacts between them, daiklaives and so on. (And assuming that you're fairly popular.)

>>54584174
Raise as big an army as you can, train them up as well as you can. One of you having the Tiger-Warrior Training Technique would help a lot. Keep a low profile until the invasion force is there to maintain the element of surprise. Try and use that element of surprise to take down the general and as many other high-ranking officers as you can.

>>54579828
>tfw be checking threads
>tfw sleep is suddenly banished from mine eyes as I see "Dragon-Blooded Charm Previews!"
Between this and finding out that WFRP game is still open, it's already been a good day.

>>54581914

That's the leak, yeah. I had forgotten to check for monthly releases. The link at >>54580996 is also from the leak.
Do you have a link to the new write ups?

>>54584002

Just don't go there. There was good part of recent thread dedicated to this and it didn't end well. We are grandpas that need to stick with the times.

>>54585040
This, with the added caveat of spending a little time beforehand stockpiling a shitload of money and getting your Twilight a bunch of mortal acolytes to induct into sorcery.

>>54584002
Because of mentally ill authors.

>>54587407

I wouldn't call them mentally ill. Most of them are just deluded when it comes to human rights. They have good intentions with idea than nobody should suffer discrimination. And that is fine.

NOW what they don't understand most people don't suffer discrimination. When discrimination happens it is usually individual cases. Problem happens when the people they are fighting for are not normal. They are screaming, raving lunatics. They will be aggressive, hateful, obnoxious people who will attack you if you have different opinion that doesn't align with their own; and their reasoning is that society is aggressive and tries to attack their freedoms.

In short, most writers are people who believe in human spirit and they are trying to help their fellow men not realizing that they are protecting and glorifying lunatics.

>>54584174
Depends on how far you want to go with it and how much time you have. Tiger warrior training is a must. Try to rally up the local gods for help. If you have sorcery then use it to load the place down with traps that will screw them over. Though personally I would just train everyone and take off.

>>54581141

Why are they jacking up DB numbers again?

>>54590716
New areas mostly I think.

Realm was always about Ten Thousand Dragons and there was another Ten Thousand outside of it. But we may have never thought about Lost Egg numbers. That combined with the new areas adding on an additional 5k seems fine.

>>54590809

The whole "10k Dragons" thing was meant to include just Realm DB's. That means Lost Egg numbers that join the Realm.

Now they've got 15k+Lost Eggs, or am I reading this wrong?

>>54590809
I don't think the Realm had literally 10 000 DRagon-Blooded before, at least on in 2E:

>>54590830
You read it wrong. They say the Realm has 15k total. 5k of that 15k are Lost Eggs. So 10k Dynasts and 5k pickups.

>>54590830
You're reading it wrong. There are 10,000 DBs that are Dynasts. Then they have 5,000 DBs that are Lost Eggs is literally any DB that isn't part of the Dynasty. Mortals in peasant families that Exalt on the Blessed Isle are Lost Eggs, as are mortals who Exalt way out in the Threshold that come to the Blessed Isle or are scooped up by some other DBs.

Outcastes are any DBs that actively don't want to be part of the Realm, or by this reading, Lookshy as well.

Considering how big Creation is supposed to be it makes sense to increase Dragonblood numbers.

>>54590879
What ratio do you think there should be between mortals and DBs? How many mortals per Dragonblooded?

>>54591034
That depends. What is the population of Creation?

>>54591167
Doesn't matter, what's the ratio you feel is right?

1 DB every 1,000 mortals? 1 DB every 100,000? What's your ro

>>54591485
Somewhere between 1,000 to 5,000 mortals per Dragonblood.

And the population of Creation does matter when deciding it. If creation's population is 1 billion with a Dragonblood ration of 1 per 100,000 mortals then that would result in only 10,000 Dragonbloods.

>>54591034
Less than one per 10,000. Aside from that feeling right to me, I think it's also close to what the ration was before. Well, maybe it was more like 1 DB for 20,000 mortals in 2E. I seem to recall there were roughly half a billion mortals in the Creation.

>>54591733
The ratio is the only thing that matters because it gives you the proportion that feels correct. It determines their rarity and it determines their relative value and the sort of problems that expect a Dragonblood response. The total population is unimportant.

A 1:10 ratio would mean there's enough DBs to solve almost every problem while a 1:100,000 means they are much rarer and the world is impacted much less by their presence. The ratio being the important thing is it lets you see what positions could possibly be filled by Dragonbloods versus requiring mortals to manage things.

The population of Creation is somewhere around 500 million and we have around maybe 30,000 DBs now. The 25,000 previously mentioned and the 2,000 in Presad. Adding another 3k for random other places that the devs didn't included in the original 25k number.

That gives us a 1:~17,000 ratio. Adding more DBs will lower this ratio, drastically changing the makeup of societies, most importantly the Realm.

>>54591944
>half a billion mortals in the Creation.
That seems rather low for Creation's size.

>>54592009
>The population of Creation is somewhere around 500 million and we have around maybe 30,000 DBs now. The 25,000 previously mentioned and the 2,000 in Presad. Adding another 3k for random other places that the devs didn't included in the original 25k number.

Those would be the 5000 outcasts.

>>54592060
Nope.

>Vance: The Realm has ~15,000 Dragon-Blooded, of whom ~5000 are Lost Eggs. Lookshy has ~5,000, and there are ~5000 Outcastes.

>Q: Is that separate from the outcaste 5000 as well?

>Vance: Yes, it's separate.

>>54592085

Minton also said that Lookshy only has 3000 Dragonblooded. So the extra 2000 are not extra anymore.

>>54591944
Very close, I've been working with a friend to try and figure this sort of shit out. From what we've been able to gather this is our best guess at the population and number of Dragonblooded.

First Age: 10 billion Mortals. ~1 million DBs
This gives us a baseline of 1:10,000. The best ratio we can really expect since this was when the DB purity was still very high.

Shogunate: ~7 billion Mortals. 500 thousand DBs
Here we get a 1:14,000. Arrived at this due to increased breeding with mortals and likely large casualties after the Usurpation and the warring in the Shogunate.

Post-Contagion: 700 million Mortals. 50 thousand DBs
Same ratio, 1:14,000 but 9/10th of everything died and affected every pretty evenly so we get 1/10th as many mortals and DBs

Post-Balorian Crusade: 300 million Mortals. 10 thousand DBs
Here we get a 1:30,000 ratio, a large die off of mortals from the Balorian Crusade however a much larger die off of DBs since they'd likely be on the front and dying a lot more. 60% mortals die off, 80% of DBs die off.

Current Year: 500 million Mortals. ~30,000 DBs
1:~17,000 ratio. DBs aren't dying at the same rates as in the Balorian Crusade so they bounce back a good bit faster on top of the organized eugenics the Empress has implemented leads to a fairly logical amount. Blood purity is still very far from the First Age and Shogunate numbers due to increased breeding with Mortals to get those numbers up fast.

>>54592049
It's about right. Creation is overall smaller but has a better land area to ocean ratio which leads to a bit more habitable land but I'd guess Creation is a bit more dangerous so I'd say it's fair to compare them.

The world population on Earth was ~500 million somewhere in 1300-1500 is the best guess. Roughly comparable technology in health and agriculture. I derived the 300 million number for post-Balorian Crusade from going back in our world about 800 years from the 500 million population mark which gives us 280-310 million people. Which I feel makes a good amount of sense.

>>54592164
Where was that mentioned? Do you have a link?

>>54592296

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/1069023-ask-the-devs/page208

>>54592325
Ah yeah I saw it as soon as I asked, I was in the Dev thread making sure I had the numbers right.

Well that means my calculations aren't fucked, so that's good.

>>54592296
You could argue that gods could lead to more production.

I think 1 billion is a better number but 500 million is fine.

Doesn't "ten thousand" in chinese culture usually mean 'a very large number' rather than a literal ten thousand?

>>54592657
Most gods aren't all that active in the matters of men, though, and I'd say that supernatural dangers of the Creation probably balance its supernatural boons.

>>54593063
It does, and that's probably the the sense where the expression is used in Ten Thousand Dragons.

>>54584002
That's what neomah are for

>>54594225
I seem to recall the Realm pretty anti-demon.

>>54595905

Yeah, except when Mnemon is around, because she gets to flout all the rules for absolutely no fucking reason.

>>54596770
She is the Empress's eldest surviving child (Though Ragara is older but is either on death's door and/or suffering from dementia)

>>54597057

Isn't she also supposed to be ridiculously devout too? And don't the Immac's really not like anyone summoning demons?

>>54597120
She is a devotee of the Immaculate Order, and one of her daughters is the current Mouth of Peace. The main difference between her and the Empress herself is that unlike her mother, she genuinely believes in the Immaculate Order.

As for demon summoning, it's still legal in the Realm if you're licensed for it. Technically a Dragonblood is supposed to shepherd mortals rather than abuse them to, according to the Immaculate Order. Sorcery itself is stigmatized, though only in some Great Houses.

Heaven itself actually approves of summoning First Circle Demons to do your bitch work because it reinforces Demons' place at the very bottom of the Celestial Order.

>>54597120

>Devout

Isn't she in the know about the Sidereals? Is it possible to be devout to something that is a fabrication used to keep the nation in check?

>>54597196
Her mother is in the know, but the most Mnemon herself has is suspicions.

>>54584002
> Complaining about that
> In exalted, where everyone is Bi
It's common practice in the realm, they're just expected to pump out DB heirs, through lovers.

>>54597678
Not true, they don't want a shit ton of DBs with zero impulse control and poor upbringing in the Realm they actually strive for a spiritually enlightened, well educated, composed noble class. They should only be officially having kids in wedlock and anything outside of that isn't considered legitimate.

Further, DB marriages are 99% political, meant to bring two families together for mutual benefit. For though the child will be born into the mother's House, the father keeps his own name and it is still recognized as his child, the child's deeds reflect well on both the mother and the father. This way the parent Houses want to maintain and not cause harm to one another because it could cause harm to the child Dragonblood or from their perspective an important asset. So both Houses want to stay cool.

Now, homosexuality has little to no stigma in the Realm in fact often times it is seen as a much more intelligent and reliable way to avoid bastards. Two dudes fucking can't have a kid, neither can two ladies fucking. But for them to get married? There's barely any point. That marriage won't further the House's goals in any way real other than the alliance derived from the two members presumably liking one another.

Continued with a quote from a writer.

>>54598322
>Because the Dynasty is in so many ways so terrible, it feels really weird to keep all those terrible factors and then say "Despite their natalism and domineering attitude towards their children and focus on filial piety and borderline-to-obviously-not-borderline abusive childrearing techniques, the Dynasty is surprisingly tolerant and enlightened when it comes to same-sex relationships!" ...but it also feels unconscionable to tell LGBT players "Ahah, even now after you can get gay married in real life, the primary social play venue of our imaginary fantasyland does not support gay marriage for your original characters (do not steal), because of reasons!" The setting exists the way it does because we write it that way. You can't hide behind "But it makes no sense because setting" when you're the reason the setting is the way it is.

>So gay marriage in the Dynasty in 3e is no longer just not a thing. All the factors motivating its discouragement are still around -- the Realm's interest in strong inheritence tracking and precise lineage records, its distrust of sorcerers and demons, the unreliability of sorcerous workings -- but they also exist in the context of a world that's been run by god- and element-chosen heroes shaping the world according to their epic passions since the dawn of history.

So, gay marriage is a thing now because it'd feel kind of mean to LGBT people and they can easily rewrite the setting to have it make sense.

>>54597678

I don't know what you have been smoking.

You have a really weird vision of Realm. Marriage is for alliance and making DragonBlood heirs. That being said no normal human being would allow for his partner (even just for political marriage) to make a child and try to tell you it is your own. Cathak Cainan's father almost killed his wife when he found out one of children wasn't his own. Leedal Kes and his wife are both homosexual. Reason why they are married is because their petitioned their families and are trying their best to keep that marriage profitable to their families. Marriages can be made void in the Realm. Just because they prefer company of their own sex didn't stop them from siring 6 children. Duty to the Realm comes first.

Affairs are common place because DragonBlood live for 300 years and stay in their prime for almost entirety of it. That doesn't mean affairs are open and public knowledge. Facts and proofs are weapons that can be used to ruin someone. And sometimes just rumors are enough to ruin a family. Either their social and political status or the family destroys itself because there is no more trust between them.

And lastly, when it comes to homosexuality Realm doesn't have the same view as we do. Weakness in women and effeminacy in men is not allowed. DB is a warrior culture and being "soft" is a weakness that isn't allowed.

>>54598342

Haha. Why I'm not surprised that that was written by Stephen Lea Sheppard? Few times I seen his posts on the boards it is mostly about "look how progressive and enlighten we are".

>>54597678

No they're not. They're supposed to produce LEGITIMATE heirs. That's the whole point of marriage, so you don't create aberrant or bastard bloodlines. The Realm wants to keep the power of the DB Exaltation where they can track it, because they're effectively running an eugenics program.

It makes no sense to have a homosexual marriage and to conceive through lovers, because that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Realm's objective. Look at Ledaal Kes: He's gay as hell and his wife is a lesbian, but he's still conceived multiple legitimate children with her.

>>54597678

>>54598322
>>54598342
>>54598715
>>54599020

I don't know why you guys are even trying anymore. It is a lost cause. You are trying to reason with a crowd that will complain why there are no black transexuals in viking campaign.

>>54598342
God fucking dammit.

I just can't deal with shit anymore.

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>>54599835

Solar Melee and a better picture of her than that.

>>54600166
>>54599835
Baiken was my jam, after Faust, of course.

>>54598715
I do think they fucked up with choosing to use the word effeminacy. DB men and women are equal, there wouldn't be any connotation of weakness when you call someone womanly of feminine therefore such words wouldn't really exist. They should have used weak and soft as negative traits that DB culture seeks to avoid in both men and women.

Does anyone have "recommended readings/watchings" for people trying to get into the atmosphere of the game?

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>>54600259

I've got a play list more than a read list, though there are some books in it. But most of it is manga and games.

FF4
FF6
FF7
FF9
Romance of the 3 Kingdoms
Dynasty Warriors
Hellsing (not the OVA, read the manga),
Berserk (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT ANYTHING BUT THE MANGA, JUST READ THE MANGA, ONLY THE MANGA)
Any number of 60's, 70's, and 80's kung fu flicks. All of them, really. Just watch all of them.
Kung Fu Hustle
Indiana Jones (all except 4 obviously)
Shinobi (PS2)
Metal Gear Solid (all)
Metal Gear Rising Revengence
Guilty Gear (Xrd and above)
Soul Calibur

>>54598342
I miss the fujos, I prefer them and their seme uke bullshit to this nonsense

>>54600467
You could largely ignore them unlike these people.

>>54600259
Tales from the Flat Earth is pretty good, and Exalted's setting took a lot of inspiration from the series. I've only read two books so far, but I'd recommend it.

>>54600259

I would suggest Three Kingdoms tv series (you can watch entire thing on youtube) and Thunderbolt Fantasy

>>54600259
This show works pretty well, especially for presenting the few things that must be true for the more fatalist parts of Exalted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmhVK9onFLY

>>54598715
>That doesn't mean affairs are open and public knowledge.
They kind of are, though. 1E DB book states that it's polite to sort of pretend to keep affairs secret - not talking about them openly in public and so on - but they usually aren't actually secrets. Everyone knowing who you're fucking is not a big deal as long as everyone has room to act like they don't know who you're fucking, so rumours about these things obviously aren't enough to ruin anyone or anything. Other than that you're completely right, though.

>>54590809
>Realm was always about Ten Thousand Dragons
In 2e the Realm explicitly has ~20k DBs. 'Ten Thousand' is just a Chinese way of saying 'a lot.'

>>54603431
>There is no conspiracy to make traditional games politically correct

Are you seriously believing the shit you are saying?

>>54603528
Why the fuck would you respond to obvious shitposting, especially shitposting done with an old, stale pasta? Were you dropped on your head as a child or something?

>>54603557

Because with time I'm seriously not sure anymore if someone is shitposting or actually standing behind what they are saying. I knew individuals that went with wage gap and similar shit. Would never predict that happening.

>>54603610
There's an old pasta with no connection to the post it replied to. It's obvious shitposting. You have some genuine brain problems if you even entertained the thought of that post being anything else.

>>54598342
>So, gay marriage is a thing now because it'd feel kind of mean to LGBT people and they can easily rewrite the setting to have it make sense.
It should be noted that one of the first replies to Sheppard's statement was from a gay guy who basically went "Eh, I liked the old way better". On the positive side, Sheppard makes it seem like gay marriage is still rare and unusual rather than commonplace. I can deal with some extraordinary people in extraordinary circumstances managing to subvert the social expectations without becoming pariahs.

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>>54603431
There is no conspiracy to make traditional games politically incorrect. Characters in fiction and gaming communities simply change with respect to the latest cultural values. But you diversity-shilling cancerous fucks always blame imaginary /pol/ boogeymen when people start hating you for the shit that you do. As long as you continue to refuse act like decent human beings, people will keep noticing.

But of course, you will keep blaming imaginary "Kekistani", "misogynists" and "fedoras" when you the public hates you for the scum you are. And let's not even get started on how you all react to games becoming more complex and interesting.

>>54581141
Lookshy has been dropped to 3,000 in the Ask The Devs thread.

lol why are you fucking dorks getting mad about an imaginary bisexual again

>>54604284
Because they're very serious about their 2e fluff. I wonder how many people from sufficient velocity post here, that would explain a lot.

>>54598342
I know it shouldn't annoy me, but as a non-LGBT person who has played both LGBT and non-LGBT characters I am irked at the phrase:-

> it also feels unconscionable to tell LGBT players "Ahah, even now after you can get gay married in real life, the primary social play venue of our imaginary fantasyland does not support gay marriage for your original characters (do not steal), because of reasons!"

What am I to read here? That non-LGBT can't have LGBT OC donuts steels? That it's okay to tell non-LGBT players that their character can't marry because reasons? It's just an unnecessary qualifier to tag onto that comment.

>>54604284
Okay Kevin

>>54600379
Also God-Hand for Solar Brawl fun

So, anons, Lookshy has 1 Royal (Artifact N/A) Warstrider, while the Realm has 3.

A Craft Supernal Twilight uses Sorcery to send a message to them: Call off any Wyld Hunts targeting himself and his Circle, and he'll make them Royal Warstriders in exchange for Dragonblooded wives.

How do you picture Lookshy responding to this?

>>54606050
There'll probably be people both for and against it. An N/A Warstrider is a really tempting offer, but Lookshy has managed to fend off the Realm with the resources it has so far, and consorting with the foul Anathema is just wrong as far as the Lookshy's religion is conserned. If I was the ST in a situation like that, I'd say that Lookshy would, by default, reject that offer, but not without discussion. Clever schemes and diplomacy might change this outcome. Dragon-Blooded wives might be too much, though.

>>54600259
The manga Kingdom is Exalted as fuck. It's also really good. It tells the story of the unification of China during the Warring States Period, from the point of view of Qin. Most generals and high-end bureocrats are hilariously superhuman in either body, mind or both. Also the way they conceptualize the relation between armies and they leaders is very Exalted-y.

>>54606050
Probably something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PqMe7fydq4

>>54600938
The Ravages of Time is a great adaptation of the Romance of Three Kingdoms. It does, however, focus much more on the schemers. Still, DONT PURSUE LU BU!

>>54600259
Feng Shen Ji has amazing art and a very Exalted feel, but it isn't that great of a plot. It suffers the Bleach syndrome...

>>54606050
I'm going to take the hipster option and say that the Realm, with a lot less to prove, is a lot more likely to take you up on that. Lookshy has something to prove about themselves, morally; On the other hand, there's probably always some Great House fucker more concerned with his pocketbook and contribution to the Realm than his soul.

>>54606050
Well, it depends. I feel like the vast majority would say "Fuck off, anathema, before we kill you!" because they're still Immaculates. The less religious might cut you a backroom deal but would definitely try to give you something else other than your arranged marriages because that deprives them of some of their current Dragon-blooded and their potential future Dragon-blooded.

Really it's just a bad plan in general. Offer someone else the Warstriders and you might be able to get some Dragon-blooded outcaste honeys from like Great Forks or Nexus.

What does the realm think about orgies between dragon-blooded?

>>54606356
As long as no bastards are born, it's all well and good.

>>54606356
Keep it behind closed doors, and don't let it produce bastards, and everyone else will pretend not to know about it.

>>54606345
Somehow I don't think Peleps Deled would agree to call off the Wyld Hunt on a particular Solar, and if one of his superiors tried to order him to do so, he'd probably just kill them for being heretics before setting off to attack the Twilight Caste in question.

>>54604327
Even one is too many

>>54606647
Entire Immaculate Order probably shares Deled's views in this particular matter, even if they consider him a shitter otherwise. Less pious Dragon-Blooded might be more willing to make a deal with an Anathema, but I don't think anyone's in a position to stop the Realm as a whole from sending people after a given Solar.

>>54599193
>You are trying to reason
Have you looked at a single word of those posts?

>>54604284
If they stop constantly reminding themselves how victimized and persecuted they are and how they're constantly at war for survival, then they run the risk of realizing that THE ENEMY isn't actually waging war on them.

>>54600219
But Jam is everyone's Jam?

Have the devs said anything new about Lunars? Are they going to be worth a shit this time or are they gonna be the Exalted of the Petting Zoo yet again?

>>54604327
>sufficient velocity
Given that Holden once went there and called everyone anti-sex biggots I fail to see your point

>>54608648
The point was, presumably, that SV is into the old fluff and might be annoyed about changes to it, just as a matter of principle.

>>54608648
>Given that Holden once went there and called everyone anti-sex biggots
Because leftists never cannibalize each other.

>I fail to see your point
Because you're retarded or a leftie yourself, which would make you retarded AND dishonest.

>>54608648
SV were full on outrage for the sake of outrage, I don't blame him. Glad he's gone, but they were retarded.

>>54608767
Take your shit somewhere else /pol/

>>54608767
You are really rocking that athletics excellence to jump this much into conclusions, aren't you /pol/friend?

>>54609042
Now I almost want to write some Charms about mental gymnastics.

>>54608781
Only if you fuck off to whatever safe space shithole you crawled from.

>>54609042
>friend
Nice job outing yourself you cancerous Redditor piece of shit. The suffix we use here is FAG. Fuck off you too.

>>54608781

Because people took their shit elsewhere, (and because onyxpath moderators banned everyone who didn't agree with them or kept their mouth shut), is the reason why we now have gay marriage in the Realm and transsexual Zenith who don't believe in Unconquered Sun. 2017. Look how progressive we are.

>>54609117
Safe spaces? This is fucking 4chan. Do you just have your buzzwords on copy-paste? Now fuck off or talk about Exalted.
>>54609138
Lost me at transexuals. The Delzahn have been in the game for longer than you've been playing.

>>54609138
I'm more upset about a Zenith who doesn't believe in the Unconquered Sun than them being transsexual.

>>54609138
>onixpath
The official shill forums banned everyone complaining about the game? And people act as if this was unexpected? Huehue
3e went to shit when they decided to do closed playtests and had lead devs who can't take a critic or listen to other's opinions.

Does anyone have a link to a collated dev answer site?

>>54609138
If you actually think you're going to affect anything by posting on 4chan, aside from shitting up a thread that should be about the game, you're literally delusional.

>>54609231
I'm pretty sure she doesn't actually doubt the existence of the UCS. There are and alays have been plenty of Zeiths who aren't really his devout followers, though. I mean, he can't really force people who Exalt to worship him, and if he only chose people who already worship him as eniths, there would be no Zeniths in the Age of Sorrows. This particular issue should be a complete non-issue, because it's nothing new.

>>54608772
There really is no side to root for when it comes down to it. On one hand we have Onyx Path a company unable to keep to a schedule, Who hires people like Holden, Morke and Lea and mostly survives off of leeching off the few good ideas white wolf had. On the other you have SV and the goons. I am not able to figure out which group I dislike more. Both are terrible but in differing ways.

>>54609241
This? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3ooTmopm3CBxW5jwPp1761xsaIccea-5XIhVM_PQEc/edit

>>54609232
>can't take a critic
Every time I hear this noise, I just look at the kind of person who makes it and immediately understand why people wouldn't want to "take" what they call criticism.

Sometimes they say they weren't so bad before being rejected.

Nah, I found a site that was auto-updating each of the devs' posts on the forums, but I can't find it again

>>54609311
Worry not, Holden and Morke are gone and have been replaced by people who can talk to human beings without shit flinging and can also get shit done. SV on the other hand has not improved. They're still playing second edition.

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>>54609291
>If you actually think you're going to affect anything by posting on 4chan, you're literally delusional

>>54609138
If that's what you took away from the short fiction about perfect soul u are literally fucking retarded and need to like take fifth grade english classes or something lmfao. learn reading comprehension my man, they teach this in grade school.

also the zenith isn't the trans one, the eclipse is a dereth, which was a social class in delzahn society that was introduced in fucking 1e. read fuckhead, read.

>>54609330
You mean this: http://nishkriya.com/

>>54609291
>I'm pretty sure she doesn't actually doubt the existence of the UCS. There are and alays have been plenty of Zeiths who aren't really his devout followers, though. I mean, he can't really force people who Exalt to worship him, and if he only chose people who already worship him as eniths, there would be no Zeniths in the Age of Sorrows. This particular issue should be a complete non-issue, because it's nothing new.
Another thing is that the whole thing about Perfect Soul raging at the Sun was specifically before her Exaltation. Have we heard anything indicating that she continues scorning Sol after Exalting?

>>54609345
So you're saying we should meme magic 4e into existence?

>>54609385

No, I'm not reccomending any sort of action, just noting that 4chan isn't actually all that irrelevant.

Has anyone tried using any of the homebrewed Exalted splats for Ex3?

>>54609470
Texas Sharpshooter fallacy doesn't count as relevance.

>>54609477
I have for NPCs and I have regretted it basically every time. For PCs I can't even imagine lol.

>>54609496
What happened?

>>54609360
Yeah I do! Thanks!

>>54609534
There's a lot of problems with the charmsets, they're poorly considered, not very fun, and so on and so on, and you're better off just using a QC, changing numbers around to suit your taste, and adding a signature charm or two.

A Clutch of Dragons is the best one, but even then I don't like it as much as just taking a QC, changing the numbers around, and giving a signature charm or two.

>>54609343
The new devs are just better at marketing. They are still just about as bad when you get down into it. When you add in the quality Onyx Path normally shits out and it should become obvious why they are still a pretty bad company.

Both are about equally irrelevant as well. Not really sure why people buy the things they release outside of old nostalgia for the old world of darkness. But most of those books are sub-par as well. About the only semi-good game-line I've seen come out of them lately is exalted. But even that is getting caught up in the typical wonky mechanics and wasteful schedule slips.

>>54609630
>The new devs are just better at marketing. They are still just about as bad when you get down into it.
Please do. All I'm seeing is good relations and actually putting products out there.

>>54609682
Well, you see, they make things that anon doesn't like, so they're objectively (definitely not subjectively!) bad.

>>54609715
That's a meaningless statement because they could only possibly be subjectively good or bad regardless of context.

>>54609345
>>54609470
>This is what /pol/ actually believes

>>54609221

There is a difference between delzahn and current day and age transsexuals. One is a culture and other is a shallow insert for sjw points.

>Prince Diamond was the last signature Solar to be written. He came fully formed and suddenly, like a shadow over the sun.

>When I was creating Prince Diamond, I knew that I wanted to drive home the diversity of the new Circle. I decided to make him a transgender character, drawing on the original lore of the Dereth of the Delzahn culture from Scavenger Sons. I felt that a transgender Solar would emphasize the diversity of the whole cast.

This is the start of the text. Not going with we need interesting character. No. It starts with "Fuck. We need some LGBT material."

Also further text goes a long way how everyone is helpful and understanding with the transition from female to male. Can it pander any more?

>>54609365

Yes. In the character description she exalts by saying "Fuck you Sun". Then even after exaltation she doesn't give a shit. Doesn't erect temples, doesn't preach. She uses her exaltation to further her rule, her divine right, and tries to conquer her country. She is conquering local gods and representing herself as their priest and only voice.

Such a nice spiritual person.

>>54609960
Do you feel like Prince Diamond is less interesting than the other characters we know almost nothing about? Or does it just upset you that there's a transexual?

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So after reading some of the lore in Exalted I get the vibe of Warhammer 40k Super Turbo HD Remix from it, not necessarily a bad thing but something I noticed.

>>54609682
So far they mostly seem to be going down the same course the old devs did. Just this time they'll at least market themselves to look better by accepting criticism without doing much about it. The release speed of the company at large is still terrible to the quality the company puts out in general. The management in general seems to want to expand into new lines but can barely keep their current glacial work-pace up. While also failing to vet their work properly.

>>54610078
>Yes. In the character description she exalts by saying "Fuck you Sun". Then even after exaltation she doesn't give a shit. Doesn't erect temples, doesn't preach. She uses her exaltation to further her rule, her divine right, and tries to conquer her country. She is conquering local gods and representing herself as their priest and only voice.
So, when you say "yes", you actually mean "no"? Your only example of her shitting on the Sun comes before her Exaltation. Afterwards she seems to just focus on the king-part of being a priest-king. Erecting temples and openly preaching would be dumb as hell for someone who, IIRC, hasn't yet openly shown herself as a Solar and whose kingdom is under the Realm's control. It's a regular old Zenith, nothing new, nothing representing a change in the lore. It's fucking nothing.

>>54610078
This is literally every Zenith I've ever seen, the fuck are you smoking. Zeniths have never been fucking clerics. In the Old Realm, they were the priests of the unconquered sun, but we're not in the damn Old Realm! This is the Age of Sorrows.

The key features that make a Zenith are fortitude, a willingness to fight for what they believe in, and the state of being inspiring figures of awe.

None of these require that you pay lip service to the sun. Perfect Soul is every one of those things.

>>54609960
Furthermore, delzahn are a social institution based on its home culture's strict roles. When you become a delzahn you become the other sex, with all the concommitant obligations of said sex. It's not a twee hee hee bullshit thing you just do because you want to take pictures of yourself in a dress to fish for compliments on tumblr.

>>54610100
>Do you feel like Prince Diamond is less interesting than the other characters we know almost nothing about?
Prince Diamond was made as a means to push an agenda first and a character second. So yes, Prince Diamond is less interesting from the get-go.

>>54610184
>Prince Diamond was made as a means to push an agenda first and a character second. So yes, Prince Diamond is less interesting from the get-go.
So you're judging the character by the motivations of the creator? Is Chronicles of Narnia bad for the same reason?

can someone please just post proper pastebins of the new HDNP stuff so I can go back to forgetting these godawful threads exist for another month

>>54609960
"We need an interesting character" is not a useful starting point when writing a character. I mean, do you think writers spend a lot of time wondering whether they should write a shit character or a good one? Of course they don't. They just start with something, possibly a simple idea, and then work with that to try and create an interesting character.

>>54610100
Honesty as not even him I kind of agree with him when he says that creating a character just for the idea of diversifying is a pretty terrible idea. I wouldn't say I dislike any of the others any less though. Because of the concepts are pretty terrible.

>>54610078
That actually isn't too out there for a zenith though. They are the spiritual leaders but that doesn't mean they'll be constantly hailing the sun. I'm honestly more annoyed by the general story-line they want to form around her.

>>54610228
>Honesty as not even him I kind of agree with him when he says that creating a character just for the idea of diversifying is a pretty terrible idea.
So? Do you have any reasons why or did you just want to join in?

>>54610205
Is a YA fantasy novel based around the mythology of Christianity bad? I think the first four words should say yes it is. I wouldn't consider it good literature at the very least.

>>54610278
What are the things that make it bad? What's wrong with the stories, the style of the prose, the dialogue, the characters and so on?

>>54610278
>Is a YA fantasy novel based around the mythology of Christianity bad?
Is all your criticism based on the intentions of the writer?

>>54610205

When you are a kid you don't see a Jesus Lion. Only when you are older do you see the connection. Also author didn't go out of a limb and told you "Hey kid. I'm gonna make a Jesus lion in my book".

If Morke wasn't fishing for his sjw medal he could have made a delzahn character. But no. He had to go with full current day and age transsexual. He doesn't know what subtlety means.

>>54610330
So it's worse because you know what the author had to say about it beforehand? If you had known CS Lewis then the books would have been terrible? What a bizarre idea.

>>54610330
Regardless of Morke's intentions, the way Prince Diamond was described makes it seems like there's plenty more than being a transsexual to the character.

>>54610257
It's mostly that doing so doesn't really create characters I can enjoy. I don't really care if a character is trans or whatever. But if you go into the creation making that the defining aspect of them then in the end all you'll get is some bastardization. I dislike it when someone tries to make a character interesting by focusing on that. Instead of say how their personality is formed and why they think like the way they do.

Another way would put it is. Do you think the same thought process Jack Chick put into designing his characters could create a relatable interesting person? They might prove more competent then that. But given the work I've seen so far I doubt it. I might change my mind if the new devs makes any of the new exalts more interesting. So far though I find their developing process terrible though and have utterly no faith in their ability to do anything. So I very much doubt I will be surprised once more is released of them.

>>54610373
Not to the people who are against "pandering". To them, there are character traits and transsexual traits. Being trans isn't a character trait, and any trans-related aspects of the character are trans traits rather than character traits.

That's how being transsexual detracts from a character: their character traits stop counting as character traits.

>rulebook massive
>binding falls out

Fucking hell.

>>54610461
>It's mostly that doing so doesn't really create characters I can enjoy. I don't really care if a character is trans or whatever. But if you go into the creation making that the defining aspect of them then in the end all you'll get is some bastardization.
Prince Diamond's defining trait isn't being transsexual, it's being an incredibly driven politician using religion as a tool. Clearly the writing of the character wasn't affected much by their being trans.

>>54610505
That's Perfect Soul, isn't it? Prince Diamond's defining trait is being a hotblooded warrior from a culture of hotblooded warriors, who's ended up in strange lands among strange people, who tries to deal with said people without either abandoning their culture or just killing everyone for insulting their culture.

>>54610546
Yeah, my bad. Just looked it up now. Well it looks like my point stands even though I'm an idiot.

>>54610583
Yeah, her/his/whatever's defining trait still seems to be something other than being a transsexual.

>>54610294
If you want to get into that the writing style is juvenile. The books get more and more preachy as they go along. The plot tends to be a meandering mess though most of the books.

I will say however I do believe The Horse and His Boy to a pretty decent book for the age range it was written for. The others I found not all that good while I was reading back when I was in their age range.

>>54610371
I'd say in my case it's less that if I know the idea they are going for and more if you start bragging about starting from that point you are setting off a lot of red flags in my mind. I read books and fiction to see interesting themes and ideas. Not listen to someone preach to masses the wonders of gay men or whatever modern political drivel is ruling the day at the time. I can't fundamentally see trying to create a character off of being a minority then basing their personality on solely that as being compelling in any real way. I do say it's possible to surprise me and I have been before. But this is the writers of a table top roleplaying game company that's failed at doing so for years now. So I very much doubt I'll like any of Solars they've showed off so far. Just that one is particularly egregious because of Holden bragging about it.

>>54610205
>Is Chronicles of Narnia bad for the same reason?
That is only one among the many reasons it's bad.

Considering what the Solar characters are like I'm dreading what the Dragonblood and Infernal characters are going to be like.

I'm totally fine with Lunars being about bestiality though

>>54610867

Do y'all have any plans to introduce more Exalts down the line with varying body shapes? The setting's surely already got enough guys with rock-hard abs and girls whose only body fat is on their chests, right? Can we see a soft belly that isn't Sesus Nagezzar's?

Vance: Yes, representing a diverse variety of body types is something that's important to us. You'll see this starting with the new signature Dragon-Blooded characters.

>>54610897
The issue with this is honestly because becoming an Exalted usually makes you an Adonis or Aphrodite automatically. Unless you're so ugly that you become a weird divine, supreme fugly.

I mean, I'd totally be down for a thicc Exalted bitch or boy-toy, but it's just not really setting supported.

>>54610930
where does the book say that exalts can't have app 1 or 2, or teritary physical stats. It says that nowhere. you made this up in your own head and decided it was the truth.

How does the system handle an attempt to get to someone's heart through his stomach?

>>54610930
>The issue with this is honestly because becoming an Exalted usually makes you an Adonis or Aphrodite automatically.
>Fan fiction

>>54611026
I'm seriously considering making a collage of pictures of various exalts from the castebooks in a specific, pointed effort to show just how wrong this guy is

>>54611084
Don't bother, it's up to that guy to prove themselves right.

>>54610867
Solar charcters are just fine. They arenät actually any worse than the canon characters of previous editions.

>>54610930
That may be how things work in yiur group's version of Exalted, but it isn't actually canon. I mean, Sesus Nagezzer became a fat fuck through the old-fashioned way of eating a lot and not exercising. His crippled leg was the reason for him not exercising, of course, but being an Exalt did nothing to prevent him from getting fuck.

>>54611126
>from getting fuck.
Getting fat. Fat. Damn, I should really go to sleep.

>>54611169
it's true that him being fat did nothing to prevent him from getting fuck tho. that guy gets his dick sucked

>>54610930
>I mean, I'd totally be down for a thicc Exalted bitch or boy-toy, but it's just not really setting supported.

Of course it isn't supported. DragonBlooded is a warrior culture. Physical fitness and prowess is a must. Look at Sesus Nagezzer. Pariah, he is a mockery of his previous self. He is sneered at (not directly to his face) and he himself is hating what he become. There are those that see past him physical deformity and would liket to put him on the throne but he himself would never allow it. Realm needs a strong figurehead to unite around and he knows he wouldn't be it. Still he is one of most interesting characters.

I guess new DragonBlooded will be some landwhale, with Appearance and Charisma 5, that is some big shot in highest circles of society.

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>>54611223
That is also true.

>>54611233
>Look at Sesus Nagezzer. Pariah, he is a mockery of his previous self. He is sneered at (not directly to his face) and he himself is hating what he become.
He is also an immensely wealthy and influential figure, even by the standards of the Dynasty, although his influence is mostly hidden. While he is sneered at, he matters. I don't see why introducing a couple of other characters with some similarities to Nagezzer would be such a huge deal. Dragon-Blooded obviousy can get fat. It's neither common nor accepted, but it happens, and it obviously doesn't prevent one from having a role in the politics of the Realm.

>>54610635
The defining traits at least early on was a sleazebag who would challenge you to duels if pissed off over you not knowing how the culture he originated from works. While traveling though a strange land. And that's pretty much how the devs advertised it. I'm kind of glad at least then they aren't focusing as much as they said they would early on.

Pretty much the only NPC exalted created I've actually liked so far was Panther. Diamond is just extra helping on top of the normal due to that timeframe when the devs used to brag constantly on how progressive adding a transgender character is. Instead of making the guy someone I would care enough to want to read about. I honestly kind of feel at this point they may want to just stop making NPCs and spend more pages on the setting. If it wasn't for them managing to make a lot of that also uncompelling

>>54611384
>The defining traits at least early on was a sleazebag who would challenge you to duels if pissed off over you not knowing how the culture he originated from works. While traveling though a strange land. And that's pretty much how the devs advertised it.
Even early on, I seem to recall it was stated that Prince Diamon explained things first and only issued duel challenges if people get insulting them regardless.

>>54610999
Sadly tearing/cutting out people's limbs and organs isn't supported by the rules.

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>>54611120
I did it anyway because the fat old guy bottom left is funny. He's a Zenith.

>>54611465
I mean cooking, smartass.

>>54611348
>There are those that see past him physical deformity and would like to put him on the throne but he himself would never allow it. Realm needs a strong figurehead to unite around and he knows he wouldn't be it. Still he is one of most interesting characters.

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>I don't see why introducing a couple of other characters with some similarities to Nagezzer would be such a huge deal.

Because I'll use their logic. There is no need for 2 fat influential DragonBlooded just as developers don't see a reason for there being 2 female admirals that slept their way to the rank.

>>54611496
A character not being needed and a character being somehow bad for the game are not the same thing. We don't need another fat DB, fair enough. That is not actually a reason to not have another fat DB, though. As far as the character in question is actually just character and not just a fatass defined by having a fat ass, there is no problem whatsoever.

>>54608422
>Are they going to be worth a shit this time or are they gonna be the Exalted of the Petting Zoo yet again?

Given all Lunar design space is being reduced to "animals only, no fun allowed" nope. It's another abortion.

>>54611674
have you actually read anything about the plans for lunars or did you just shit in your own hand and eat it.

>>54611674
Why do people keep doing this? Is lying fun, or what is it with you people?

>>54611409
It was, and already back then some would mischaracterize that as "angry tranny on a crusade". So par for the course, really.

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>>54611233
>Still he is one of most interesting characters.

Rich, crippled fat fuck with dreams of putting someone on the throne because they're too fat to be accepted is hardly interesting or new. It is a step up from "rich crippled fat fuck with dreams of not being a crippled fat fuck" though. But not much of a step.

Probably because he's so damn fat he can't make it up a full step, HI-YOOOOOOO

>>54611669
>As far as the character in question is actually just character and not just a fatass defined by having a fat ass, there is no problem whatsoever.

This. The real question is whether or not you trust the writing team to actually do it the correct way.

>>54609311
I mean, say what you will about OPP and SV, but unlike Something Awful you can at least say that the former two never actually raped.

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>>54611798
I know you're trying to fit in, Reddit, but it's still embarrassing.

>>54611409
>>54611758
Technically he THREATENS you never to do that again first, not because he's on any particular crusade but just because he's a typical Delzhan hotheaded asshole. That's where the mischaracterization comes from.

>>54611801
I more or less do. The writing in the core is okay, and none of the new signature characters seem like one-note caricatures. Sigs aren't great characters, perhaps, but there's nothing in them that gives reason to suspect that future characters would be one-dimensional.

As per the norm the exalted fanbase is terrible I see.

>>54611873
the amount of people straight up making shit up and passing whatever their stupid brains shit out as fact is mind-boggling.

Rather tangencial to the subject at hand, but who are the original setting writers of Exalted? Who really started the whole thing on 1e?

>>54611853
He threatens you but doesn't really explain shit. So it's pretty much a trap that will set off a duel.

>>54611897
Geoff C Grabowski is the big one, being the line developer for most of Exalted 1e. R. Sean Borgstrom (now Jenna Moran) was also a huge contributor, writing much of Sidereals, and the section on Hell in the Games of Divinity. They're the ones I'd name as the best writers of Exalted 1e, though Jenna isn't necessarily one of the most prolific.

Both of them wrote sections of 3e. Jenna wrote the opening fiction, Grabowski wrote the section on currency, though it was either heavily edited or just straight up adapted from his notes, I'm not sure.

>>54611894
Anon you seem to fail to realize you are also in the same category.

>>54611897
As far as I can remember the major influences mostly came from Geoff and Jenna Moran. Pretty much none of the writers of 1st or second edition is relevant anymore to be honest.

>>54611963
Jenna also was behind 1e Fair Folk.

>>54611963
Probably the latter, and it was definitely one of the more pointless portions of the core.

>>54611126
No, it's canon that, ON EXALTATION, those things go away, get fixed, etc. But you're right in that there's nothing stopping them from becoming a qt 3.14 softy after the fact, huh? Or is that only for Celestial Exalts? I legitimately don't know if Terrestrials don't get that benefit.

I'll remember that one, in either case. I can't believe I never thought of that happening. I guess I figured if Exalts almost never scar even from near-mortal wounds, their god-king powers wouldn't let them get overweight, but this is Exalted. Internal consistency isn't really their thing.

>>54611905
That doesn't seem to be all that different from quite a few transgender people IRL

>>54612018
Vance (the current head developer) runs an Exalted game for Jenna, actually, and she's probably going to do at least a small amount of fiction and fluff writing for Sidereals; he mentioned in the Ask the Devs thread that he wants to shuffle the constellations around a bit and would get her input. How much that actually means is hard to say, but I'm hopeful.

>>54612054
There was something supernatural involved in Naggezzar's crippling, and he let himself get fat. You can totally have ugly Exalts, just go for the Hideous merit.

>>54612040
It's honestly amazing how bullshit that actually was. Geoff pretty much flat out said "No dungeons and dragons style elves freelancers." Then all the freelancers turned in nothing but elves stereotypes a day before the deadline. Afterwards it was a rapid fire rush for Jenna and Geoff to rapidly edit everything and create something more exalted like. It's honestly amazing how much bullshit Geoff had to deal with while exalted was being designed.

>>54612054
>I guess I figured if Exalts almost never scar even from near-mortal wounds, their god-king powers wouldn't let them get overweight
That's quite the leap, there. How does unusual healing prevent you from getting fat?

>>54612082
True. There is quite a few jumpy people in this world no matter where you are at.

>>54612054
If I remember right the idea with him was that he had internal damage from getting fucked by a powerful god. Basically he sits on his ass constantly doing drugs with some fucked up internals. So I can see him gaining weight.

>>54611838
It made ME smile, at least. He still needs to go back, but that image with that last line still got me.

>>54612102
I mentioned that in an earlier post. If appearance is too low the Exaltation basically goes "Yea there's nothing I can do with this" and you stay ugly. And the Hideous trait makes it worse.

>>54612163
>insert joke about fat people being mentally ill here

But no, seriously, I didn't mean anything like that by it. But being fat is seen as an imperfection in modern society, so it made sense. Not to mention most Celestial Exalts are constantly doing crazy bullshit. Combining those two facts led me to that logical conclusion.

>>54612332
I've honestly always wanted to play a solar based off of that one story of the Mongolian general who was an overweight fuck being dragged around by his army in a cart because of how skilled he was.

>>54612332
I'm pretty sure that Abyssals work that way but other Exalted don't. Appearance is still a stat for them, and it can raise as a result of Exalting but this doesn't always happen.

>>54612422
Hell, you can just spend EXP on appearance. Which I suppose implies that your Exaltation's really dragging its feet on fixing your butterface problem. Probably a good way to dodge old rivals; they don't recognize you with straight teeth, eyes that point in the same direction, and an actual chin.

>>54612422
IIRC, the difference is that Celestial Exalted with lo Appearance just stay as ugly as they originally were, while Abyssals with low Appearance get even MORE hideous.

Could be wrong, though. Been a few months since I read the 3e core book.

>>54611482

>Literally 10 years old

Who the hell is that?

Why not play Godbound instead?

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>>54611838
>not liking old tired character histories makes you reddit

Now go on and tell me about your Dawn mercenary captain who is totally different from every other Dawn mercenary captain ever.

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>>54612465
>Which I suppose implies that your Exaltation's really dragging its feet on fixing your butterface problem

Sometimes you need a bit of butter though, Anon. Also, anyone need some art? I'm bored.

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>>54615420
Got any bird-based beastmen? The shiftier-looking the better.

I'm watching the BBC Sherlock series right now and I swear that bastard is using a shitload of Investigation charms. He's a near-perfect fit for a Modern Solar.

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>>54615604

Let me see.

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>>54615681

Surprisingly, I don't have much. I think this might be it, and he's not very shifty-looking.

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>>54615704
Thanks anyways anon, every little bit helps.

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>>54615855

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>>54616026

Yep, no real skeevy looking bird men. Damn.

I know this is an incredibly niche request, but if anyone has something similar I'd be eternally grateful. I'm looking for a picture of portrait for a Raksha antagonist. He looks basically like a hybrid of a tree and a thorny flower (a thistle to be exact) carved into the shape of a talking samurai armor.

>>54612502
I don't know about 3E, but in previous editions, Abyssals had to become either monstrously ugly or exceptionally beautiful as they raised their Essence.

>>54612502

Why not fiat it?

Each exalted is impossible beautiful, but APP in this sense represents just how inhumanly beautiful you are.

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>>54616262
10,000 hours in photoshop

>>54616517

There is no need for it. Being average looking doesn't stop you from kicking ass. Also there are many people in real life and fiction that are charismatic but aren't physically attractive.

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>>54616929

I really wish Exalted dumped App as a stat. Another sacred cow that needed to be shoved into the grinder that wasn't. Character appearance really shouldn't be tied to a stat at all.

>>54617081

Kinda sorta agree.

It's useful for attribute based exalted, but for Ability based exalted it's less so.

>>54617140
I actually use Appearance to do social attacks more then my Charisma and Manipulation combined in 3e. It really depends on how you want to play your character socially.

>>54610867
I'm going to be honest, I've been ignoring all the fluff changes since like halfway through 1e. There's literally nothing stopping me (and you!) from running it with Grabowski's original vision for the game.

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>>54617173

Pretty much what I end up doing at times.

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>>54617173

Is there a list somewhere with the changes. I only know about magi-tech

Source of the picture Grant Morrison 18 days,
artist: Mukesh Singh http://nisachar.deviantart.com/

>>54617264
Not as far as I'm aware. I would say to just go and read the early 1e books but it's tough because they don't fill in all the details and players of later editions tend to fill in the blanks with 2e knowledge/assumptions.

It's just a lot more post-apocalpytic, and has a swords and sandals feel to it. It's not about saving the world, the world is already doomed and dying, but about instead about your character's choices and the consequences of those actions in the final days of the Age of Sorrows. I think that 2e and 3e really forget that this was a White Wolf game and Creation was just as crapsack as the World of Darkness it would eventually become.

I think the original inspiration books do a better job at laying the foundation of weird, ruined fantasy: Jack Vance's "Tales of the Dying Earth", Tanith Lee's "Night's Master", Gene Wolfe's "Shadow and Claw", etc.

>>54617173

This is somewhat a silly question. Anyone knows what those authors are doing these days? It is really hard to find info about specific products they worked on let alone what they are up to these days.

>>54617325

Oh. I see. That would explain why there is The Domination or Draka Saga listed in 1st ed DragonBlooded splat. It is a more bleak inspiration material that was removed from the list with 2ed DB splat.

>>54617346
Everyone did a lot of stuff, I'll just list their notable contributions.

Geoffrey C. Grabowski, aka Raindog, (Line Dev of 1e) helped develop 3e. He also did a bunch of White Wolf oWoD stuff before becoming the Exalted head guy.

Rebecca S. Borgstrom, aka ... Borgstrom, (1e Sidereal charms, Games of Divinity, Fae Folk) changed her name to Jenna K. Moran and made a bunch of other RPGs. I played Nobilis 2e and Weapons of the Gods, they were very, very good. I haven't played her other stuff. (As I side note, she has a PhD in Computer Science and it shows in her work. I like it.)

Michael Goodwin, aka Neph or Nephilpal (1e Abyssals) did a lot of shit of 2e including a decent amount of the creative direction.

John Chambers (1e production/editing) did a lot of editing and line dev work for 2e (i.e. you can blame him for all the uncaught errors like 2e DBs having charms straight lifted from 1e DB and referring to non-existent systems.). He's still doing stuff for OPP.

Honestly it's tough because a lot of work gets done by freelancers who don't really talk much with the Internet. Probably for the best for them because doing so is just asking for hate to get thrown at you.

>>54617590
Neph is working on Mummy the Curse stuff.

Scott Taylor is doing 5e compatible stuff for "Art of the Genre" (no fucking clue.

Eric Brennan fell off the radar.

Zach Bush did a little bit of 2e work after Time of Tumult, but not much. Off my radar.

John Snead did some work for Mongoose Publishing and helped with Blue Rose 2e.

Sorry, that's all I know about right now. Keeping track of 1e peeps is hard.

>>54617590
>changed her name to Jenna K. Moran

Wait, what? Why?

>>54618078
>Jenna K. Moran

From rpg.net "Yes. I have legally changed my name.

My old name was in fact my legal name, but never actually my name"

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>>54618121

The fuck? Well, I guess I should expect something that sounds like some kind of drug addled gibbering from the person who wrote SMA and the Fae book in 1E.

>>54618121

And I understand her reasoning. My mother had an idea for me to have a goofy name, like her brother whom she didn't see in years, but my father was adamant for me to have a normal name. And if I had that awful name I would go for legal change when I would turn 18.

Although in her case I would say Rebecca is better name than Jenna.

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>>54618153

It's not like she had a weird name or anything. Thats the fucked up part.

>>54618167

>> >>54618152

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>>54618184

Might just be because it's 2AM, but you inadvertantly made me giggle.

>>54600259
The Grace of Kings, book one of The Dandelion Dynasty by Ken Liu.
Scheming court of gods, a disintegrating realm, and the two main characters are good examples of a Dawn and an Eclipse.

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>>54615855
Look up "mtg aven" on google images

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another shifty looking one

>>54612054
>>54612332
Have you actually read a book?

>>54615627
Sherlock's a DMPC. Even a Solar has to investigate to some degree, he solves other mysteries by hearing about them. Sometimes this is stupid and unlikely but he's always right.

The Sherlock series is awful.

>>54618167
I guess she just didn't like her name and changed it something she does like. That's pretty unusual but hardly fucked up.

>>54621496
Speaking of names, has anyone had a character with more than one?

>>54621629
My Air Aspect was called Cathak Liei officially, Tepet Liei by his contacts in the Guild, The Red-Crowned Crane by the general public when he started his Vigilante job. So that's three.

I wish I could look at the Ask the Devs thread without also having to have that "How do these people live?" moment with some of the questions asked there. I know the ideal is that there are no stupid questions, but most of these seems intentionally pressing to find edge case rules exploits, return to 2e's cosmology and force the devs to disavow it one fucking piece at a time, and of course the people who are too socially damaged to make an at the table ruling for fucks sake.

>>54621982
If you can handle 4chan, you should be able to handle that.

>>54622186
You're not wrong, anon

>>54621982
Are you talking about 'Does Graceful Crane make a mountain weightless'? Because that was indeed retarded.

This is fun and interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_A8yY_iyYk

Mouse of the Sun:
https://pastebin.com/qsxVYARE
Rantai:
https://pastebin.com/bTaU3rUL

Sorry it took so long, though someone else had finally done it first, didn't realize the ones up thread were the leak versions.

>>54612163

Because, contra the ridiculous shitbirds in the fat acceptance movement, being fat is a bad health problem. Why would uncommon resilience and good health not address it?

This is a weird tangent. It doesn't matter if being fat is unhealthy, the Exalted can be unhealthy. They can suffer from Leprosy or Syphilis, they could in first edition and in third. I don't know or care about second.

>>54623764
How the hell would resilience and good health make you thinner? Like, what exactly happens, there?

>>54623356

Thanks, anon. I didn't realize that those were the new releases, which is why I pasted the leak versions.

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>>54623907
>They can suffer from Leprosy or Syphilis

Incredibly unlikely for them to though, given anything but magical diseases is laughed off with a super easy roll.

That said, yeah, Exalt's can get fat. Especially in the right places.

>>54624358
Yeah, but likelihood wasn't the thing being discussed.

>>54623907
Yeah; they've always been able to suffer from them, but save for magical diseases they can't die from them. No Exalts shitting themselves to death because they drank local water.

>>54624358
Is there a way for one to use essence (or maybe sorcery) to become attractive? I know it's a bit magical realm-y but it seems a bit in-theme to do some classic evil sorceress who want to be beautiful.

>>54624621
>No Exalts shitting themselves to death because they drank local water.
Well, maybe if a Sidereal punched that water...

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>>54625210
>Is there a way for one to use essence (or maybe sorcery) to become attractive?

Using magic/charms to be irresistable should be a thing if it isn't.

>>54625210
>Is there a way for one to use essence (or maybe sorcery) to become attractive? I know it's a bit magical realm-y but it seems a bit in-theme to do some classic evil sorceress who want to be beautiful.
Yeah, with a Working. Canonically, Ysyrian mages do that already. It's part of their cultural lore. Every Ysyrian is a hideous, deformed mutant until such a time as they become sorcerers, at which point they use Sorcery to give themselves physically perfect bods.

>>54625559
There are two charms, I think, to increase your appearance by one. One charm lets you always have an intimacy to seduce people.

>>54625586
>Ysyrian
Never heard of 'em, are they new to 3e?

>>54625760
A city of mutants and sorcerers in the Dreaming Sea. The Dreaming Sea is a weird, Moorcock inspired area added to the South East.

>>54625586
So like sorceresses from the Witcher then.

>>54625760
>Never heard of 'em, are they new to 3e?
Yes. Was your question for 2e?

>>54625943
>So like sorceresses from the Witcher then.
Pretty much. Ysyr is an empire of mutants, and all non-sorcerers are slaves. Any mutant who becomes a sorcerer becomes a free man, and perfects his body.

>>54623916

Obesity is a result of minor brain damage disregulating lipostat function(as well as other regulatory mechanisms.) This damage caused by some brains not coping appropriately with certain sorts of superstimulus. An exalted brain shouldn't have that issue and once a fat person exalted they would just pretty much stop being hungry until they hit a normal weight.

>>54626020
Do you actually even play the game? Not once have you referenced the text. Take your fan fiction and fuck off.

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>Campaign starts
>"Okay anon, introduce your character"
>"I'm playing a Larceny-Supernal Night Caste"
>"Her name is Wholehearted Crimson In Winged Eras"
>"She's a sticky-fingered filtcher from the West down to the East"

>many sessions later
>the party finally realizes what my name is an anagram of
>mfw

I thought I would hate playing a meme character, but I gotta say, it was all worth it.

>>54626208

I don't get it, spell it out for me.

>>54626337
>Wholehearted Crimson In Winged Eras
>Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego

>>54626337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1EIUP8tvbE

>>54626370
This anon is smarter than the bozos I play with.

>>54625559

Not only can you be irreisistable, there's a charm to overcome someone's orientation so you can be irresistible to heterofags, homofags, asexuals despite not qualifying.

>>54626456
Someone got really upset about the Solar being able to seduce asexuals. The charm lets you seduce ROBOTS.

>>54626020
Exalted can suffer from diseases. Ex3:233.

>>54626208
>>54626370
>mfw I just made the connexion between Carmen Sandiego and the disappeared Scarlet Empress.

I'm slow.

>>54622238
Not just that, but it is the latest head shaker.

>>54622238

Please tell me more. I must know.

>>54626763
Someone started a thread because they wanted an expanded Feat of Strength table. The main responses were 'after a certain point leverage becomes impossible; you'd either break chunks off of what you're trying to lift or just push your feet through the floor.

The response to this was asking if Graceful Crane made the thing you're attempting to lift weightless.

>>54626530
>Someone got really upset about the Solar being able to seduce asexuals

Fucking why? Being so great you achieve the impossible is the Solar shtick. A seductive siren that can move even the most immovable heart is 100% an appropriate archetype.

I get it if they specifically don't want their own asexual character to be subject to seduction because it isn't the kind of game they want, but that's a matter for common sense, discussion with their playgroup, and the Red Rule, not something they need to cripple the mechanical support for other people over.

>>54627016
They just found it incredibly offensive. Comparisons to robots just made it worse. Some people are just idiots.

>>54627016
>Fucking why?
You know exactly why they were upset, and you know why they were wrong. Save your breath and stop being upset over dumb shit.

what would you use for uge and torment of ellioge?

what about isidoros? or szoreny?

What's the Second Breath like for Dragon Bloods? Do they Exalt out of the blue, or do they need moments of awesomeness like other exalts?

>>54627066

I find it hilarious there are a lot of posts having a part "...being in a relationship with an asexual person...". Why would you do that to yourself? Normal relationship are a thing because you are physically (mentally and emotionally) attracted to a person.

>>54627647
Meh. Sex is far from the most important part of a relationship. You can be attracted to someone and do the whole relationship thing withought actually fucking.

>>54627589

They need moments of high emotion.

Every exalt type has their own thing. Only Solars and kinda the Abyssals need awesomes.

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>>54627501
This is supposedly from Vance

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>>54627589
>Do they Exalt out of the blue

This. What >>54627886 says is true in that high emotions can trigger it, but generally, it can happen for DB's at any time or any place because it is literally just the luck of a genetics roll. You can be the most awesome Realm guy ever and get nothing, or you can be a little shit who sits around and jerks off all day, and suddenly you can shoot ice missiles out of your dick because you won the genetic lotto.

>>54627589
>What's the Second Breath like for Dragon Bloods?
Solars exalt by taking the first step on a moment of awesome - the exaltation itself carries them through to the finish line.

Abyssals exalt by starting a moment of awesome, but dying partway through and then getting offered a deal with a devil who holds your life in his hands.

Infernals exalt by starting a moment of awesome but then failing in some kind of catastrophic way, and being offered a second chance at excellence by a tempting demon.

Lunars exalt by surviving some kind of epic, awful thing. Surviving an impossible battle, dragging yourself back to civilization from being stranded in the wilderness, surviving a court of assassins with tact and grace... if the odds were stacked against you and you survived them, somehow, anyhow, anyway? Lunar.

Sidereals are chosen before they're even born, with strange and improbably fate guiding their life until they're 'complete' - until they've had all the experiences they need to be the person they were always supposed to be. In a moment of clarity, they exalt.

Dragon-blooded exalt in a moment of passion. The better their Breeding, the weaker the passion needs to be. A Breeding 6 ancient probably exalts in puberty by the inevitable feelings of that age. A Breeding 3 Shogunate DB exalts when he finds out his girlfriend's been cheating on him, and he screams vengeance on all of those involved. A Breeding 0 modern day Dragon-blooded exalts when (and this is a canon character) a Dynast pins her down and brutally rapes her, killing him in the ensuing scuffle.

Alchemicals are selected based on a history of past great deeds that their soul has accomplished, in prior lives. If they're worthy, their inert forms spring to life and power. If not, well, they try the next one in the ledger.

>>54628866
thanks. although I meant the "urge" as in thing you have to do and "torment" like limit break penalty. but those are cool too and I'll probably use some of them.