Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

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First for High elf waifus!

>>54560183
Love how he casualy behead a wyvern the way you would grab a drink while sitting in front of your computer.

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>>54560222
Second for cute hydra

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Also, I am shipping WitchHunterxPrincess

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>>54560183
Still trying to come up with negative marks for the Lore of Hedges. Any ideas?

>>54560303
Do you think they'll include Beastmasters? I really like them, and the fact that they have such cool monsters makes me want them around even more.

Reminder that Gav Thorpe is satan.

>>54560437
I don't think so. They wouldn't really serve a purpose.

So what were earlier Warhammer editions like, in terms of setting and lore? Like, what edition defined how most of the modern lore would be like? Was 1st ed WHFB as weird and tonally different in the same way Rogue Trader was for 40k? I hear stuff about how the Genevieve novels are like that.

>>54560559
Could be a type of hero, like the Dwarf Engineers. Buffs your monsters or makes them more controllable.

It doesn't seem too shit right?

+ Lords [305pts] +

Tyrant [305pts]:
Armour of Silvered Steel Fencer's Blades
Talisman of Protection

+ Heroes [163pts] +

Butcher [163pts]: Ironfist, Lore of Death, Wizard Level 2, Dispel Scroll

+ Core [886pts] +

Gnoblars [35pts]: 14x Gnoblars

Ironguts [245pts]: Bellower, Champion, 5x Ironguts, Standard Bearer

Ogres [606pts]: Bellower, Champion, Standard Bearer, 18x Ogres, 18x Ironfists

+ Special [644pts] +

Leadbelchers [129pts]: 3x

Maneaters [193pts]: Champion, 3x Great Weapon, Vanguard
3x Maneaters, 3x Light Armour

Mournfang Cavalry [322pts]: Bellower, Champion, Standard Bearer, 4x Ogre: 4x Great Weapon, 4x Heavy Armour

++ Total: [1998pts] ++

>>54560605
1e literally had no lore. At all.

2e was generic fantasy, with tongue in cheek parody. A good example is the campaign Tragedy Of McDeath, a fantastic Shakespeare MacBeth campaign mocking British politics of the time, Scottish history, and the writer himself.

3e was the first Warhammer lore, and came out in the Rogue Trader era. Some factions like Chaos were mostly the same, some like Orcs was still just D&D generic. There was no limits on lore and the manuals encouraged you to use it as a collection of ideas for your community continuity to grow from rather than a setting for your OCs to live in.

4e added more factions and characters as well as novels. It was pretty high fantasy heroic mixed with mundane reality.

5e added the dark. General rule is if it existed in real life it was grimdark and fairly true to history, if it was fantastic it was amazing or comedic. There was wild expansion in every direction, fuck balance because this is a game to explore rather than compete.

6e is basically Warhammer finished. Everything was modern, and we were working towards international growth and campaigns. The problem is an explosion in 40k as well as GW realizing they had little taste for campaigns where players cause continuity coupled with FUCKINGKIRBY taking over leading GW to think of WFB as a junk property along with all the specialist games.

7e was a drastically scaled back and neutered version of 6e, designed for comp when ironically GW ended their own comp scene as well as all community outreach.

8e retconned the fuck out of the setting heavily to closer match 40k in theme and tone, before End Times made a mangled mess out of trying to turn a HUGE setting into one short story.

Then retarded capeshit Spelljammer AKA Age Of Sigmar.

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>>54560605
First edition was very primitive. The Empire didn't even exist at this point, the 'Arabians' worshipped Allah straight up. It was pretty much a D&D wargame with bits looted from other settings GW made models for: Melniboneans, Runequest Broo and Lord of the Rings stuff.
Second edition was much the same but developed as it went on until WFRP first edition came out in 1986 and nailed down a lot of the stuff that's recognisably Warhammer, like the Empire, Skaven etc.
Third Edition came out in 1987 and included a lot of the material WFRP has created, making it pretty much the first serious edition of what we think of as Warhammer. The Realm of Chaos books were for third edition and detailed the Big Four.
Fourth and Fifth editions were mostly interchangeable and introduced retconned Bretonnia and Lizardmen and I suppose the rest is common knowledge.

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What's the best way to go about a vampire count army and some terrain based on Castlevania?

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>>54561276
Lots of proxies. Look at Reaper Miniatures for a closet look to game designs, GW doesn't fit Castlevania at all other than Ghouls for Fleamen.

You'll want Gargoyles as something resembling the Netflix demons and some good graveyard nasties.

A good mix of scenery. Pegasus Gothic, Reaper graveyard, Raging Heroes Cathedral for the main castle since it'll probably be cheapest to do a big topheavy thing.

For Legion, if you want to do it, roll greenstuff over a ball and press a layer of some Reaper nasties like pic related.

>>54561391
Sadly the only store nearby is a GW so I can only use GW stuff.

Would it be possible to do some conversions or kit bashing to make it look similar to Castlevania?

>>54561448
Uh, buy online?

Few people actually buy their minis in stores. Fuck, GW doesn't even carry most of their own range anymore.

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Just a reminder Warhammer is a goofy ass setting

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>>54561483

>>54561603
Do we have a name for the genius behind these? I must know

>>54561655
They're by Dave Gallagher actually.
Not his usual style, but the dragons are a giveaway.

>>54561470
I am planning on buying most of my shit from ebay. Though thanks for the Legion idea.

I also got some molds from Hirst Arts so I might try drawing up a blue print for making gothic terrain, the only thing is to get more reference pictures.

Though I suppose I could just grab bits and shit from Reaper and other sites and slap them on my minis.

Those should still be usable in GW stores, right?

>>54561698
Thanks mate. May your dice rolls be favorable.

>>54561483
>>54561603
Which books/edition are these from? And why is that Celestial Wizard working for Bretonnia?

>>54561705
IT depends 100% on the manager.

Those guys range from "Game on, brother" to the official position of "No more than 25% of any model or rider can be non-GW material" to horror stories of "I'll need to drill into the base to verify that it is not a recast".

Although you do have great power to complain and get them fired if you don't sperg out on camera. GW treats managers like Barnes & Noble treat staff. You just need to work the register and repeat memorized advice, not know shit.

>>54561939
Well judging from my GW red shirt, he'd probably be down as long as it wasn't too obvious.

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>>54561483
I like how the humor in the setting is something that can be taken seriously, until you think about it for just a second.

One of the battles between the Empire and Bretonnia was over an ugly woman getting insulted - and the man who did the insulting also had mad theories about fishmen and had his horse act as his advisor. The 'rich reward' for the Bretonnian peasant who invented the trebuchet is a single pig, and the copper coin peasant archers get is more than most see in a lifetime. Dwarves have grudes and take oaths over the pettiest of reasons. The greatest Goblin Boss to ever live was one that had gotten so fat he was considered bigger than most other greenskins.

>>54561991
The 25% rule is also supposed to just be for tourneys, but some managers apply it to everything.

>>54562001
Grom was great because he ate a fuckton of Troll meat and lived, giving him size and Troll regeneration on top of brutal cunnin'

>>54561916
5th edition.
In 5th edition, Bretonnia could take Battle Wizards. Damsels just counted as wizards.

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What are your favourite Warhammer maps, /wfg/ ?

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>>54562311
I've always been fond of the large world map.
>dat indent on what is likely the opposite side of the world from where the Great Maw is

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>>54562311
This is a fun one.

>>54562001
> that pic

Literally a joke taken from season 1 of blackadder

>>54560301
>I'm TRYING to READ.

>>54562001
>mad theories about fishmen
He was right about those.

>the copper coin peasant archers get is more than most see in a lifetime
If the peasants lived entirely in a barter based economy, it's not impossible that they'd not use currency inside their own hamlets.

>Dwarves have grudes and take oaths over the pettiest of reasons.
I'd argue that's an example of Blue-and-Orange Morality instead of a direct joke.

>>54562365
Seconding this, but it loses points for giving me hope on learning more of the Warhammer setting that I fear GW will never deliver on.

>>54562595
They aren't exactly jokes, but they are humorous once you don't look at them as seriously as you are - but at the same time they can be perfectly legitimate, so they're funny without taking weight away from the setting.

>>54562595
isn't the narrative purpose of the Far East to be unknown and mysterious? This was a position Cathay, Ind and Nippon filled well

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>>54562311
the new maps are better anyway

>>54562311
I really enjoyed Tamurkhan. I thought the story was fun and the unpopular route he took east, South then north was a fun spin on the usual chaos invasion.

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>>54562751
That boy ain't right.

>>54562751
That's a fan map, right?

Please tell me that's a fan map.

Ignoring the whole shitfest of dropping Warhammer Fantasy for Age of Sigmar, that image is objectively a worse piece of art than:

>>54562428
>>54562396
>>54562311
>>54562365

That is genuinely depressing.

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>>54562888
nope, that's official

so is this

>>54563022
That's at least an improvement from >>54562751

They really need to change the format they're using for labeling locations. That white box is fucking jarring.

>>54563057
It's meant to be some sort of eletronic...image...thingy. I'm not smart with that shit, and haven't used it myself, but it's something that will scale with your level of zoom and stuff like that. Like that fancy Black Legion PDF from a while back.

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Seriously what the FUCK is the Bad Moon?

>>54563310
Morrslieb?

What would make a better idea for expanding into a WFB/WFRP campaign?

>1. That Hashut has been travelling the world hunting for isolated dwarf communities to offer his deal to, in a bid to slowly convert all dwarfs to his purpose.

>2. Karak Zorn is still alive and active, but they're fully aware of the origins of their race as an uplifted species and have spent the millennia trying to perfect themselves and have become something alien to modern day dwarfs.

>>54563487
2 is waaay better.

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>>54563626
>2 is waaay better.
>That's a flaying.

>>54560183
Test

>>54563487
I don't like either on in particular, but if I had to chose, I'd go with 1 since it would be an interesting twist for a party to come across.

>>54563487
I wouldn't mind devotees of Hashut traveling from dwarf hold to dwarf hold looking to convert their cousins to the One True God.

Evil dwarf mormons, if you will.

>>54563833
>Evil dwarf mormons

>Hello
>My name is Elder Thrognir
>And I would like to talk to you about the most amazing God.

>Hello!
>My name is Elder Ragna
>He's a God that came to save us a long, long time ago!

>>54563899
>>54563833
Great. Now I'm imagining woodcuts from the Old World's equivalent of Jack Chick.

>>54564016
>'Hashut!' becomes the highest grossing musical, overtaking the previous classic 'Drachenfels' and a surprise resurgence of 'Strange Flower'.

>>54563833
The more I think about it, the less I believe that Hashut is a Chaos God.

>>54564718
Well all he seems to care about is industry. Evil industry, with the occasional blood sacrifice, but industry nonetheless. He doesn't really try to take his Chaos Dwarf servants down a dark path of damnation or anything.

>>54564856
I could believe he was maybe a greater independent demon or something, with all his focus on sacrifices to boost his strength. But full blown god? Christ, he doesn't even have as many worshippers as fucking Ranald.

>>54565082
To be fair, lots of really minor gods only have a few worshipers, and even a few major ones - how many people do you really think worship the Lady, since it's all focused in Bretonnia? Hashut probably benefits by being the only god the Chaos Dwarves worship, so even if there's only a small amount of them it's pretty focused, and very steady.

Of course, this could all easily be explained away if he was worshiped by other forces of Chaos as well, but of course that's not the case. Although I do remember someone pointing out a few threads back that Hashut's symbol was used by...Black Orcs, I think?

>>54561603
Is it weird that I feel this art is way better and fitting than most of the new art?

>>54565400
Not at all. That stuff is classic Warhammer art. It helped shape a generation of gamers on the setting.

>>54561603
post small details you only just noticed

>the goblin with his arms crossed as his wolf starts burying a skeletons bones

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What do you fellas think of my KoTbS conversions? Horses need touch ups but the knights are the main meal. Also guest starring bright wizard.

>>54566001
What did you use to convert them, just Empire Knights?

>best wizard btw

>>54566096
I had to butcher a couple of gorgets from the greatswords box to get the mouth guard on the skelehelmet to work, and the skulls themselves were in the knights kit. There is also some demigryph bits in there i think.

>>54566133
They're looking slick, brother. How many are you planning on making? I love the metal finish on the skulls, fuck me - nice and shiny.

>>54566175
Gonna grind through the rest of the box but empire knights are getting harder to come by, so I may have to limit my numbers.

>>54565667
>The wheel on the elf's chariot is being smashed off by a rock and the elf hasn't noticed

>>54563833
There is only the problem that normal dwarfs kill chaos dwarfs on sight and vise versa

>>54565232
What even is Hasut's symbol?

I need artwork, artwork of Imperial Knights.

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>>54568160

>>54561603
Is there a larger version of these where most of the detail isn't lost?

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While we're posting images does anyone have a bigger/better quality version of the Drachenfels cover?

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>>54568166

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>>54568211

Just a quick question, are Orcs in fantasy supposed to be the comic relief race like in 40K? Or are they treated more seriously?

>>54568231
Orcs are still goofs, but the real comic relief comes from goblins, ogres, dwarfs, and skaven

>>54568231
Orcs are pretty serious when they are destroying your world, enslaving you and eating your family.

>>54567899
>Hashut? Who's Hashut? We're just here to spread the good word of our Loving Ancestor Hastur.

>>54567924
Usually a burning bull skull, or a weird not!Khorne symbol.

>>54568195
>>54568219

>dat face
Unff

>>54568231
Yeah, pretty much. Skaven too. Everyone has a sprinkling of comic relief if you look at it right.

>>54568256
>dwarfs
>comic relief

Y'all have a weird sense of humor. I can get finding some of their gimmicks funny, but Orcs are way more comic than Dwarfs. And skaven and gobbos are on top of both of those.

>>54564718
>causes mutations
>grants sorceries
>demands blood sacrifices

Don't kid yourself. He's more Chaos than Khaine, and half the idiots in the fandom (and Gav Thorpe for some fucking reason) think he's Khorne.

>>54568258
To be fair, that's when shit hits the fan with the Orcs, and the same could be said of every race that once it gets to the point where they go all out, they cease to have any lightheartedness to them. For the general part, Orcs are most definitely one of the goofiest races around.

>>54568219
Who the blue fuck gave Genevieve STORMBRINGER?

>>54568287
Don't get me wrong, fucker is definitely Chaos. I just don't buy him as a god. A greater daemon or prince, sure. But not full blown god.

>>54568330
Hard to say. Material does suggest that, in fact, or that he might be a disgraced minor Chaos God from Morrslieb.

Are people still looking for novels? Because I have a majority of the missing ones in the pastebin, but a lot of them are in text files

>>54568365
Sure, load them up. What do you have?

>>54561121
Kirby lead GW since the early 90's at least

>>54568372
I've got most Fantasy novels, probably be easier listing what I don't have. Should I load them up one by one or actually set up something on mega.nz to upload them?

>>54568412
Use the mega.

>>54568286
Some of the stories of the lengths they go for trivial grudges are knee slappers my guy
>get commissioned to make a castle
>build it nice and sturdy like all true dwarfs would
>payday comes
>bird swoops down and steals a penny
>GROODJ
>but not against the bird
>GRUDGE AGAINST THE MAN PAYING THEM
>"lol it's a penny beardy, calm down"
>lay siege to freshly constructed fortress
>kill. every. last. defender.
>literally tear castle down brick by brick
>Grudge Settled

>>54568463
If this is the story I think it is, the part that makes it high comedy is they 'settled the grudge' about three generations later. Even the majority of the dwarfs weren't part of the original construction crew.

>>54568487
Yes thank you for those details I missed. It has been a while since I read the story.

>>54568463
The bird is a new add to that story. Originally it was a White Dwarf battle report, Emp. Vs. Dwarfs siege.

Every army has a few laughable tidbits, but dwarfs as a whole are pretty midtier. Orcs and Skaven are top tier. Dark Elfs and Tomb Kings are low tier.

Additionally, that shit ain't particularly funny. It's more a reflection of their blue/orange mindset. Wood Elves practicing Bran Wa Shin is funny. Rescuing dwarfs on Thorskinsons Isle is funny.

Hundreds dying over pride and principle...not so much.

>>54568528
it's called dark comedy ya shit

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>>54568230
Black Guard looked best in Warhammer Online.
Such great concept artists.

>>54568450
Ok, I'm uploading my EPUBs, mobi files and PDFs to a mega account. I've also put the text files on there, but in a day or so, I can have them converted into PDFs

>>54568548
Nah, it's called a shit sense of humour ya cunt.

>>54568487
That's the funny part.

>>54568560
>Nah, it's called a shit sense of humour ya cunt
Get one and maybe you can start recognizing it.

>>54568548
its called slapstick humour
its neither grim nor funny enough to qualify for black humour

>>54568556
Pretty sure WAR was the biggest-budget WFB/W40k title in history.

And it was all wasted on a dead MMO

>>54568676
Total War took the banner of sucessor.

>>54568623
You legit telling me the 100 year war was funny, then?

>>54568695
hm, not him, but yeah, it kinda was.
french getting slapped around by anyone armed with anything bigger than a dessert fork is always hilarious

>>54568676
The worst thing about WAR is that if you go back and find the earliest looks at the project, it was shaping up to look less like a MMO and more like Guild Wars.

>>54568705
Ironic twist: someone finding the 100 year war funny is a good example of black humour.

>>54568690
TW:W is pretty impressive but in terms of production values it's nowhere near what was pumped into WAR.

>>54568705

That would be the same 100 years war that England managed to lose despite the French being comically stupid at times?

>>54568739
They did pretty much what they wanted in France for over a century.
Sure, they got beaten by Jeanne d'Arc and basically that ended the war, but France was wrecked, and English lost nothing of their own, just packed up and left.

So I wouldn't say they lost the war. They just quit.

>>54568768
They get kicked out the moment the country starts putting up a real fight, count-as victory?

>>54568768
>Not butthurt at all, that's totaly what happened !
The Hundred years wars is one of the most complex conflict (and probably the most complex in Occident ) of the the medieval period. It's not even a continued conflict but several different conflict; with heavy military evolution, a lot of actor, and not just France and England and many political change.

The war ended with the creation of real nationalistic indentity among the two main actor, and despite what you seems to believe, and English defeat, they loosed their continental territory and their claim to the throne of France.

>>54560183
>>54568450

>https://mega.nz/#F!9Lw1WIRZ!eKxkOlAQwuZO3_8pHOK-EQ

Here you go senpai

>>54568695
"Wah bad things can't be funny" this is how you sound, google what humour is then come back to us.

>>54568833
not him, but yeah, English lost the war. But they have over century of bragging rights, where French can brag of only those few battles with Jeanne d'Arc

>>54568734
In terms of raw shekels, probably not.
In terms of clear design and expertise, it's miles ahead of WAR.

>>54568889
>Germans: Yeah, well we still stormed most of Europe!
>RussianFace.jpeg

There is literally an expressio for this:
>you mah have won the battle, but you've lost the war

>>54568860
You being up past your bedtime and acting like a butthurt faggot is pretty funny.

>>54568231
Orcs are the straight men to goblin antics.

>>54568961
Anglos like to pretend that they were not french buttmonkeys for most of their history.
>>54568974
More like
>orcs are the dumb muscle to goblin SCHEMES

>>54568961
except the battle(s) lasted for century, and lost war was just because of one wench

>>54568902
As in art design? Have to disagree famalam. WAR had a lot of talented people working on the art and models, including GW artists (Smith).

I know WAR was criticized for cartoony "Warhammer Online-Craft" graphics at the time but TW:W is a lot worse in that department.

>>54568463
>8th edition

Which major faction you could remove from WHFB and it wouldn't get any worse?

>>54568985
The war went for a century. The english couldn't win after 100 years and then got booted by a tart that may have actually been a dude in a dress.

This is not something the english should ever brag about.

>>54568985
Mate, war ended in 1453, Jeanne died in 1431. And she was no true military leader, more than anything she was a symbol. You need to understand that France wasn't fully united back then, but Jeanne represented the side wanting to fight back, put the French king back at his rightfull place and kick the english out of here. She was the expression of a movement, she didn't go all Dynasty warrior like in the english rank

>>54569011
Wood Elves and likewise Bretonnia.

>>54569011
Skaven.

>>54569011
Fishmen.

>>54569011
Lizardmen. They're utterly pointless.

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>>54569011
Lizfags.

>>54568768
>and English lost nothing of their own
The Royal family in England was french. They lost all their french territories (Normandie and Aquitaine). The english were mere cannon fodder.

>>54569011

Kangz.

>>54568705
The 100 years war was a french civil war. England was a French colony you know.

>>54568961
Are you really calling someone a butthurt faggot because they told you to google what humour is after you cried that bad things can't be humorous?

>>54569011

This is more interesting to see what people count as a "major faction".

Out of what I'd call major I guess Lizards could be lost and you'd just ignore the far West and South of the map.

If I was picking out of all factions it would be Ogre Kingdoms to get the boot, they've never felt right to me.

>>54569178
This one is less finny and more facetious, but at least you're trying.

Also:
>Guy stabbed
>Not funny
>Last thing guy says as he sees his angry wife with a knife is 'What are you gonna do, stab me?'
>Black humour

>>54554105
Meh, I have unfinished concepts of Wood Elves vs Dwarfs and High Elves vs Lizordmen campaigns, but you say no HE or Dorfs, so whatever.

>Festival of Blood
>Dogs of War, Dark Elves

>Introduction.
>A mysterious employer hires an army of Dogs of War, renowned Old World mercenaries, to fight for him in a remote part of Border Princes, in fact on a territory of Badlands
>In truth, Dark Elves' Cult of Khaine has devised a cruel pastime - take toughest mercenaries of the Old World, toy with them like a cat with a mouse, and kill them for the glory of Khaine. But they might have big off more than they can chew, and Khaine's favour is fickle.
>Special rules: Dogs of War start with an army at least twice the size of a Dark Elves ones
>Unless noted otherwise, they can only use that army for the rest of the campaign. All the losses are carried over into next battle.
>Unless noted otherwise, Dark Elves can pick whatever army they want, but it must be at least two times smaller than Dogs of War one. The campaign is about objectives, not about tabling your opponent.

>Battle One
>Hard Welcome
>Battle Type - whatever you call it when an army has to make it to the other side of the battlefield while being attacked from both sides.
>Objectives - the Dogs of War must make way to the other side of the battlefield and slay a Sorceress trying to cause an landslide and cut them off the exit of the valley. The Sorceress stands in the back rank of a unit, which follows these limitations:
>1) must be Executioners, Dreadspears or Black Guard
>2) cannot exceed 20 models
>3) cannot include other characters
>4) is not allowed to move for any reason
>5) passes Panic tests automatically. Break tests cause damage as if the unit was Unstable.
>The sorceress cannot leave last rank of the unit, cannot fight unless directly attacked in melee, and cannot use any spells
>If the Sorceress is not kill by turn 6, the Dark Elves win.

to be cont.

>>54569190
>If I was picking out of all factions it would be Ogre Kingdoms to get the boot, they've never felt right to me.

They're pointless but firgettable, unlike the autism reptiles.

>>54568994
Also a great example of black humour.

>>54569300
Your hateboner for lizardmen seems pretty autistic as it stands.

>>54569213
cont.

>Battle Two
>Dread Arena
>If Dogs of War won the previous battle, they make it out of the gorge and onto the coast. There they find their ships wrecked by magic storm, but survivors replenish the losses of any non-destroyed units. Battle is then fought on the beach.
>If the Dark Elves won, the battle is fought in the mountains.
>Battlefield must be rather small.
>Dark Elf army must include a Hydra or Kharibdiss. It gains 4 extra wounds, 1 extra attack, Unbreakable, and +1 AS.
>Dark Elves cannot have more than 2 units on the battlefield, excluding the required monster. The units can come as reinforcements from any direction, except for the sea-shore.
>Battle ends when the monster is slain.
>If it takes Dogs of War less than 4 turns to dispose of the monster, Khaine's laughter reverberates across the battlefield, and the monster is reanimated and joins the Dogs of War (using its normal statline and rules) for the rest of the scenario.

>Battle Three
>The Sacrifice
>With games finished, the Elves close in for a sacrificial kill.
>Pitched battle
>Every character killed and every unit wiped out grants the killing side a token of Khaine's Favour
>The battle lasts until there are at least 5 Khaine's Favour tokes in game

>Final Battle
>Coup de Grace / Now Its Personal
>Pitched Battle
>If Dark Elf army has more Khaine's Favour tokens, the Dark Elf army has half the DoW starting points or equal to the current DoW army costs, whichever is greater.
>If Dogs of War army has more Khaine's Favour tokens, the Dark Elf army has regular half the stating points size. All Dogs of War units gain Frenzy, Murderous Prowess and Devastating Charge rules. They can never lose their Frenzy.
>Battle lasts for 6 turns, at which point Khaine smites the losing side with blood-red swords falling from the skies.

The End.

>>54569328
...reread the post.

>>54569136
That would leave the Southlands awfully desserted.

>>54569190
>what people count as a "major faction"
when I asked, I meant "whoever had a valid armybook by 8th Ed."

>>54564418
Good reference, anon.
Is it weird that I'd quite like to see Strange Flowers

>>54569470
A play about a woman slowly devolving into madness as she turns into a beastwoman, written by a psychopathic noble who'd later be exiled?

Sounds like it'd be Kafka-esque.

>>54568859
Thanks, Once 'n Future Git!

>>54568987
As in general game design.
You forget that there is a far larger amount of entities during an average total war battle than there are during an MMO. You have to simplify things right from the designing and concept art phase.

>>54568528

Can you tell us more about Bran Wa Shin and Thorskinson's Isle?

>>54569498
>No meat touching Ma'am

>>54569511
Say them out loud.

The first was an element of wood elf life from 1ed WFRP, the second was a WFB campaign.

>>54569500
no worries, if I can get my files off my old laptop, I can get Necromancer and the Boom studios comics

>>54569537
I got the former, but the latter eludes me

>>54569434
Ogres and kangs could be forgettable in the setting then.

>>54568705
Not as funny as Thebes vs Sparta.
>take the gayest men to form a head in your long phalanx formation
>charge the Spartans while they're repositioning, hitting them in the rear
>penetrate deep into them

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>>54560365
>Handrich’s Mien: Your nose grows larger and gains a minor ability to sniff out gold or
other valuable materials. Gain a +10% bonus to Evaluate tests.

>>54569623
GW is racist as hell, why do you think its so hard to find black people in their settings?

>>54569623
Yes I know, I couldn't resist including a jew joke.

>>54569650
Um, your erasure of Grimgor Ironhide and Borgut Facebeater is pretty problematic and triggering

>>54569686

They deserve erasure.

YOUR ignoring of proper Black Orcs like Morglum Necksnapper on the other hand.

>>54569706
Forgive me, I'm a post-6theditionfag and knew not of this mighty Morglum

Great, I have a date to prepare for and now I'll be on the warhammerfantasywiki for hours. Did you know that common names for Warhammer cats include Max, Sausage, Scruffy, Sky, Killer, Slinker, Socks, Ashes, Felix, Flu y, Kessler, Ebb, and Fritz?

>>54569579
I suppose the humour stems from Thorskinson's sounding like foreskinson's.

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>>54569795
I'm Scruffy, the jani... err I mean the cat.

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>>54569795
Why does warhammer not have a race of cat people that hunt Skaven

>>54569858
hm, Khajiit are too original and developed to fit in WHFB, but Charr would feel right at home.

>>54569858
Because no one likes furfags.

>>54569916
I like furfags.

>>54569858
Because GW hates furfaggotry and specifically discussed and worldbuilt its non human factions to be as less sexual as possible

>beastmen are stupid rape beasts
>orcs are genderless
>ogres are fat and have beards
>skaven are bloated uterus with legs
>lizardmen spawn from pools

>>54569923
Then you're not one.

>>54569916
furfags are great you whiny neckbearded faggot, skaven and beastmen make warhammer basically furfag central.

>>54570004
>less sexual
>are rape beasts
Are you retarded?

>>54570042
I didn't think I needed to specify what kind of sexuality the target audience of young males GW didn't want to fuel

>>54570031
Keep telling yourself that.

Aren't neckbeards basically furries anyway? Isn't the neck beard basically fur?

>>54570083
Are you saying Warhammer is just an underhanded scheme to turn British children into racist rapists?

>>54570125
yes

>>54570125
Anon, British children, like most normal children, are inherently vile and scheming. All they need is a little nudge to evolve from Goblin to Ork and the Empire will be restored

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>>54561391
Just needs some spears and shields.

>>54569029
>bretonnia

Have at thee, heathen

>>54569011
Ogre Kingdoms
They're completely pointless.
I always liked lizardmen. I remember them fondly because they were the most played faction at my lgs when i was a lad

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How to write a story about the battle to retake Eight Peaks so that it calls Dwarf Fortress to mind, friends?

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>>54570493
Everyone dies in magma, while having a tantrum.

>>54570493
Each letter is carved on large rocks set on significant distance from each other so it takes days to read single page.

>>54565082
>Christ, he doesn't even have as many worshippers as fucking Ranald.
I don't know. I'd wager that Ranald have shitton of worshippers but few priests.
He is god of luck alongside being patron of thieves.
So every time anybody feels that he needs luck he will pray to him for this luck.

In polytheistic pantheon you do not pray to one god. You worship them all and pray to one that can help you. Even when you are priest that dedicate his life to one of god, you still want to worship rest of pantheon.
For example before the battle you'd like to pray to both Sigmar and Ulric and Myrmydia as you can't have enough of divine protection.

>>54563310
In WFB?
Nobody knows.

In AoS? Its own god, Gork and Mork have a pantheon.

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>>54568556
>Black Guard looked best in Warhammer Online.

I miss my maxed out Black Guard and DOK from that game. So much fun, pvp and rvr.

sure total war warhammer is "okay" but its nothing near as good as warhammer online. The shear amount of lore they crammed into that game was staggering and you could explore the world first person, pretty damn cool.

I would pay unreasonable amounts of money for anything similar.

>>54569011
Beastmen.

Probably Daemons too.

They're not even supposed to be different armies.

>>54570821
You're the biggest fucking moron on the internet. Warhammer Online is SHIT compared to TWW.

>>54569615
TK are mandatory as the VC backstory and the Lahmian main enemies.

>>54570898
They are two completely different game how can you even compare the two?

A smarter thing to do would be comparing TW:W to Mark of Chaos and at the cost of being unpopular, i liked MoC more, even if TW:W has more variety

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>>54570898
Sorry but I'm not into HoM&M

>>54570987
Total Warhammer isn't Heroes of Might & Magic.

For one thing I can actually complete a scenario of Heroes successfully, I'm too retarded to play Total War games.

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*No /pol/ please.
**Intended for comedic effect, no insult is directed towards your neckbeard or lack thereof.
***No insult intended.
****Please check with a doctor before consuming large quantities of salt.
*****Complaining about things is possibly a healthy way to relieve stress.^
^I am not a doctor. Don't take my word for it.
******I am lying and do intend to complain about things.^^
^^I am not actually lying and do not intend to complain about things.

>>54570987
Damn man, when can we get real siege battles back in total war.

>>54570987
At least TWW is going to last more then two years before the severs drop, entire classes are made useless, and have the biggest lore rape in history before the End Times came.

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Throgg campaign map gampelay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8OtI0FQMg
Goes over the unique gameplay features of Norsca factions.

>>54571435
>would rather play heroes of might and magic updated with warhammer skins running on new graphics package than a first person character builder world explorer in the warhammer setting

everyone has their own preference. mmorpgs intimidate a lot of older gamers who don't know how to pilot their toons

>>54571718
MMOs aren't rpgs.

>Hurr save these five peasants from beastmen
>Save them, get XP
>Watch all the peaents still being killed by beastmen even after you complete the 'final' quest in the zone and kill the boss

None of it fucking matters, you don't achieve or complete anything, its just a dull pointless grind with a bunch of other douchebags running around.

>>54571753
>not Qing for scenarios while you siege castles in rvr

I see the problem

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>Angelos from DoW has model.
>no Morathi, Malekith, Tyrion and Teclis models
>lizardmen and skaven still have their heroes

>>54561121
Kirby took over after third edition.

>>54571774
All elf heroes are generic idiots that can be proxied with a normal model of their respective range and nobody would be able to tell the difference

Tell me if this idea works

>The stone of Grugni
On a mountain pass near karaz-a-karak, near the road, there is a boulder bearing the sign if a big hand, probably the one of a dwarf. A single ironbreaker guards the boulder day and night against vandals.
According to the legend, the ancestor god Grugni, while travelling through the mountains, leaned on this boulder to rest, leaving the mark of his hand etched in it. If you pray and touch the stone, Grugni will watch over you for the rest of the day. Humans wanting to touch the stone must pay 10 gold pieces. Elves are forbidden to touch the boulder

>>54571706
>blurs out the khorne bonus.
Fucking CA

>>54571753
Literally the first Empire quest required you to save peasants from burning buildings, but after you saved the required amount you couldn't save any more.
So you had to leave the area by walking past buildings full of burning peasants screaming for help.

WAR was a warhammer theme park basically.

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>>54571931
>Letting filthy Humgi touch the stone
>Not carving out the rock to place it as a priced piece in a great square of Karaz-a-Karak

>>54572145
Would you carve out the rock if Grugni leaned on it to rest, exactly in that spot?
What if he needs it again when he returns?

>>54568330
Why not? Why can't he be a god? It can't be his small number of worshipers or general lack of power, since there are other gods with the same problem.

>>54572169
Well
Build a Karak around it then.
A lone Ironbreaker isn't enough.

>>54568705
Are you the grim reaper or something, and death is just hilarious to you?

>>54572211
I didn't think dwafs would pay that much care about a legend that has no certainity about it. I man, they are pretty pragmatic as a people

>>54572281
Don't underestimate the importance they put in their ancestor. There is a reason they have such a hard-on against necromant.

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>>54568230

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>>54569858
Because humans as a race are so shellshocked from regular beastmen attacks and paranoid fears of mutants that even a simple pair of cat ears would be something worthy of shunning, if not burning at the stake. And a khajiit-style race would get them frothing at the mouth and throwing hammers.

Which is why I'll never watch anime with anyone from the Warhammer Fantasy world.

>>54569858
It does. In Ind.

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>>54572421

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>>54563022

Eh, it's also pretty dated.

Current ones look like this one:

>>54572432
What does that have to do with cat people existing in the setting or not? Things don't stop existing in their horrible grimdark world just because they hate and feat it, quite the opposite.

>>54572552
That still looks like shit though

>>54572552
This map offends me.

>>54572552
I don't know why they bother with these maps. The spatial relationships between the locations are effectively meaningless.

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If the Bretonnian peasants aren't allowed to worship the Lady, what's the deal with the Battle Pilgrims and the grail reliquae and all that?

>>54572683
They are, vis. Knights of the Grail and, as you said, some units. Peasants just generally prefer Shallya, Taal, and Rhya. Don't listen to Arch Warhammer, dude.

>>54572726
Peasant do worship the Lady tough, that's why they love the Grail Knigt so much ( that and because Grail Knight legitimatly care for them and are fair with them).

>>54572726
So, they're alright worshipping the *Grail* and its associates (knights, etc), just not the Lady herself?

>>54572805
They do worship Lady but only forbidden to take part in same rituals with knights.

>>54572805
They CAN worship the Lady, some lords just put a taxe on it. But many don't or simply don't apply this law (this is especially true under a Grail Knight).

Don't listen to Arch-tiers "Lore" videomaker mate.

>>54572846
Also yes, basicly officialy they can't, and can't have shrine or anything, but they still recognize the Lady as a godess and venerate the grail knight. No one but asshole lords really give a fuck and care about punishing them for that anyway.

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>>54570031
kys

warhams has beastfolks, not furries

>>54573017
>triggered

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>>54572683
>>54572805
They are totally allowed to worship the Lady, there's no law against that. They just aren't allowed to pray before battle because peasants aren't considered chivalrous enough.

But the Lady is still the patron god of Bretonnia, and ignoring her entirely would be like ignoring Sigmar for Imperials. They still pray to her in times of trouble and shelter in her Grail Chapels when evil comes knocking, and they have holidays in her name (which are also the only guaranteed times they get a break from work), and most of the pilgrimages they take are to her sacred shrines. They just tend to focus on gods that have more of a role in their daily lives - Taal and Rhya have more of a role in farming and hunting, and Shallya helps them deal with the burdens of being dirt-poor hungry peasants. The higher ideals of chivalry are more focused on by nobles, and damsels (when not keeping to themselves) tend to interact with nobles more, so the only real sermonizing they get on Lady things are from Grail Pilgrims, who often mix Grail Knight stuff into that anyway.

I really don't know where people get the idea of peasants being barred from worshiping the Lady entirely from. It's a little stupid - why would you found a country and organize it on rules and concepts that are essentially passed down from the Lady herself, and tell the people that are the lowest of the low to follow to follow these divine instructions but not worship the goddess herself?

>>54573440
Man how steamed would knights be when the local damsel decided she wants to fuck all their peasants, because all women of the grail are canon sloots?

They can't say a damn thing about it because its a Grail Damsel.

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>>54573440
>Wood Elves
>Ally with erryone before Archaon even arrives
>Oak Of Ages probably visible from space
>All I had to do is slaughter the rest of the Elves to do it

>mfw

Are Grail Knights basically space marines?

Without going as far as actually including golden space marines in fantasy, and literally arming them with 'Bolt Pistols'?

>>54574689
Well, they're not genetically engineered, and they aren't exactly wearing power armor. Their powers come from the blessing of the Lady and sometimes are more varied than what Space Marines get - they're surrounded by blinding light, they're anathema to the Undead, stuff like that.

But if you mean 'still human but superior to most humans,' sure. Though Chaos Warriors are a bit closer.

>>54574746
Pretty sure your average Grail Knight is meant to be superior to normal Chaos Warriors, only the likes of Chaos Champions able to equal or exceed a Grail Knight (I gues in part because Grail Knights have passive holy powers like you mentioned which can make a Chaos Warrior start to cook just by being in the presence of one)

>>54574689
In terms of thematics and performance, they're closer to Living Saints.

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>>54575182
And they are both french

>>54575223
Both are monogendered, too.

...Living Saint and Grail Knight banging when?

>>54575451
>So, what what is it you do again?
>Well because of my overwhelming faith, I have been blessed with amazingly long life and supernatural powers, fighting on behalf of where my deity wills, and with many followers trailing in my blessed footsteps to the point that I am considered a living example of my deity's will.
>....I have never felt such a connection with another person before. Are you doing anything later?
>You, hopefully.

They could both use some comfort after being more or less abandoned by their respective settings anyway.

>>54575513
Come to think of it, both worship a deity of the opposite sex, too.

>>54575451
Living Saints can be of both genders.

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>>54575451
>>54575513

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>>54575673
I am prompted to post this.

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Are we really gonna have to wait until fucking Warhammer 3 for a proper Chaos rework?

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>>54575653
Sssh, don't tell him. I'd do anything to get away from the Lizardmen-Amazon porn.

>>54575697
Norsca might provide a good excuse to shift things around, let Chaos share a few of the unique toys or whatever.

I haven't actually played as Chaos, so I don't know why they're considered worse than the Norscans now. All I know is that the Norscans are annoyingly tough because chariot spam that ties down your infantry mixed with missile cavalry that no one can catch up to so only archers can really have any effect, and Chaos Warriors are slightly less tough because they focus on footsloggers and knights that are easier to tie down, but also get giants and more Chaos Spawn and wizards and shit. Maybe I'm retarded, but both are tough in their own way - just one feels frustratingly so.

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>>54575697
Chaos is working as intended.

>>54575690
I didn't make it, and too lazy to correct it like you. So thanks.

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>>54575697
> Archaon btfo again
> Sigvald pissed on by Throgg AGAIN

>>54575790
WoC campaigns suck becuase growth is slow, units are expensive, and everyone knows where your hordes are at all times and they'll take every opportunity to send their doomstacks across the map to snipe your weaker armies. Beastmen don't have these problems due to better bonuses and hidden encampment.

>>54560183
anyone else playing total war warhammer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJsG4F2Img
Is this how dawi speak to other races, or do they speak in such way only to the elfs?

also does anyone know what hetai is everyone talking about in the comments?

>>54576276
Just 3/4 of the sub

>>54576278
No, dwarves are insulting to all races, as your easily spamable reddit video proves.

>>54576278
They're talking about someone called 'theboogie,' try starting there.

And considering that the Dwarf word for human is also their word for shoddy, I think even speaking politely is being loaded with insults.

>>54573440
Aren't major temples to Manaan and Shallya both present in bretonnia as well.

i mean that's kind of albericts shtick as a naval commander of bretonnia, having dual loyalties to the lady and Manaan.

>>54576377
>Alfa Legion
>Reddit video
Nice falseflagging

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>>54576425
The center of Shallyan worship is in Couronne - they actually like it that way, since they don't want political power anyway - and there's a pretty big temple to Manaan in Bordelaux.

Pretty sure there's one in L'Anguille too, but it's never mentioned as far as I know. And Morr and most of the other gods are brought up surprisingly rarely. Makes me wish that the Knights of the Grail was a bigger book, and the Bret fanboys got the same attention the Empire did on so many subjects.

>>54576377
>reddit
This better be bait

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What sort of interestingly quirky core set-ups have you guys tried with your WoC-armies?

>>54576521
>>54576549
>"hey guys, let's have an ordinary and chill elf thread on any board!"
>proceed to post this exact video at least three times plus the pic and the pasta
It's almost like you guys have the tab open 24/7.

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>>54576539
I always wanted a heraldry of bretonnia book.

>>54576595
Whatever fag I don't go to elf threads.

>>54576595
Uh, if you say so then, I don't lurk elf thread.

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>>54576600
Check 6th ed, they at least have heraldry for each dukedom, with a few variations on personal heraldry, like so. And then there's an image of what some symbols on Bretonnian heraldry mean somewhere.

>>54576633
i know still have the book.

>>54576618
>54576629
Doesn't matter, there is another brigade that will spam their stale shit because people have the wrong kind of thread.
>Uh
This means one less (You).

>>54575697
We have Norscan and the Beastmemes. Those are true chaos.

>>54576659
Alright memelord, keep witholding those valuable (you's). Never understand why retards sperg out over memes.

>>54576595
Okay I'll keep that in mind, even though I never visited elf threads

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>>54576315
>sub

please be trolling

Looking for a group to play Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e with -- I've DM'd plenty, but I've never been able to enjoy it as a player. Anybody interested?

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>>54577231
You might wanna name a time frame (if you're bounded) and where you'd run it (pbp, IRC, etc.) to help improve signal to noise. Listing your houserules'll prolly help, too.

>>54577231
I might be willing to run one as a DM, though I intend to use the system to run a game in the Monster Girl Encyclopedia universe which probably won't be in your interest.

>>54577228
Was starting to think no one will notice. You relieve me anon, I was getting worried.

>>54577286
>I intend to use the system to run a game in the Monster Girl Encyclopedia universe
Other anon but now I'm interested why that system and how it is relevant to WHFRP?

Also if you are looking for players in euro friendly time zone, I'm all ears

>>54577231
>>54577254
>>54577286
RPG anon here.

I'm East Coast US. Weekends are obviously best, though not mandatory -- if weekdays, then evenings.

I've only ever used Roll20 for online RPGs. I don't have houserules for Warhammer. I ran the 2e rules out of the book -- and in the past adapted the legendary "Enemy Within" campaign from 1e to 2e rules.

One thing which I think would be nice to improve Warhammer is some way to divorce Skills from your Attributes. For example -- you can be an agile character who goes into a water-based career (like sailor, seaman, fisherman) from a terrestrial career. This allows you to pick up "Sail." Sail is based on your Agility. Suddenly, your character who has never sailed before... is an expert sailor because he already had a high agility. Maybe just a modifier like -10% or -15% to represent the amateur nature.

>>54577389
There are a few reasons:
>Firstly, there are a lot of basic templates for a variety of different race for characters and it's easy enough to work out a template for use, either as a nerfed version (Beastmen characters that are generated are far stronger than they should be), or generating a new one (such as for orc, goblin or zombie characters). It also means that characters that have their race changed during the campaign can easily have their characteristics modified with a minimum of fuss.
>Second, corruption and mind-break mechanics are already present. Tome of corruption presents how to use corruption values of an area in a campaign and the rulebook itself has the insanity system to represent being taken by a monster.
>Third, since human-aligned humans have godly empowerment, that can also be done simply by re-skinning chaos warriors. Though in my case, rather than the chaos of mutations and rewards, I'm thinking that earning such bonuses will instead grant some free but fixed statline advances which I'm basing around the differences between chaos careers and regular ones.

>>54577286
Because I'm curious in a sick way - the one time that people I knew tried to do anything like that, we made a game of not being seduced by the monsters, which was as awkward as it sounds. Is this an ERP game? This seems like a lot of work for one.

>>54576276
Most of the people here play it.

>>54577672
When are you thinking of starting this?

Is Age of Smegmar worth playing? I played Lizardmen back in the day, and I miss them. I wouldn't mind getting back into it

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>when mannlet says "nagash was weak"

>>54572023
Tis a blood thirster, anon

>>54578341
This weekend? Next weekend? Whenever we have a good group of people who are interested. And we need a DM of course. Being Forever-DM in real life makes me... not super eager to do the job again. I'd like to play for once!

>>54578361
No.

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>>54578361
Would you like me to ask the Age of Sigmar general for you?

>>54578390
I'd like to DM, though keep in mind I am >>54577286
>>54577861

>>54578391
That would be great! Thanks!

>>54578361
>>54578417
Age of Skub is... different, from the rank-and-file and square base styles of WHFB.

If you miss your square bases, stick to 8th or an older edition, or proxy your Lizardmen for Kings of War or 9th Age.

>>54578412
Yeah. I'm not exactly into that, unfortunately. I like the basic 2e ruleset of a bunch of shmucky humans, halflings, and dwarfs wandering around in a highly deadly world.

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Well lads not to sound soppy but I've been coming on these threads nearly every day for the past year. I'm going abroad for a long time tomorrow and won't be able to get on for a month.

Look after it chaps.

PS. Here's the next thread image, after this we've had a thread for every book published in the first four editions of the game.

>>54578390
>This weekend? Next weekend? Whenever we have a good group of people who are interested.
Fuck, another tally on the list of "reasons why I don't want to go on holiday the day after tomorrow".

I really wanna give WFRP a go now, since I read a bit of Knights of the Grail.

>>54578865
I'm pretty sure Grail Knight is the most powerful class in the game. In WFRP, you start out as a lowly servant or country bumpkin and it's mostly mistake or extreme caution that sees you survive to the point of Grail Knight.

I always felt like GMs should hold back EXP from players who are too cautious or whose characters run away from danger. After all, they're not getting the experience of survivng all of the odds! I never implemented it in the games I ran for fear of player revolt.

>>54578942
You shouldn't. Don't punish players for being smart. Instead, give bonus objectives that involve going into danger.

>>54578942
>>54578962
Considering how bad my luck with dice is (I once had a character die in the second session), I think I'd do a lot of running away no matter what.

Besides, how would you go from peasant to Grail Knight? How would you get knighted in the first place?

>>54578361
No.

>>54578942
Knights are very unlikely to ever hit Grail Knight, though, and social codes of conduct can be a noose around a Bretonnian noble's neck.

>>54577003


>ancient strigoi model
>it's freaking dabbing

you live a charmed life anon

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>>54579019
WFRP is pretty deadly -- therein lies the fun.

As for how you go from peasant to Grail Knight -- unlikely, of course. But anyone getting to Grail Knight is unlikely. You can start as a Squire, however. Another path is receiving a knighthood from a high lord. The Enemy Within campaign has the possibility of the players being made Knights Panther by the Elector-Count of Middenheim as reward for services rendered (and then promptly shipped off to Kislev to avoid the embarrassment).

>>54579160
Therein lies more fun RP!

>>54578962
Being smart becomes being cowardly rather quickly.

But. anyway. Show of hands: who would want to try Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay? Namefag if you want to, to make it easy to determine numbers.

>>54579438
>Therein lies more fun RP!

Agreed, I just wanna point out the blind spot of the career line that many would-be power gamers miss.

A coward, liar, double-dealer will NEVER get offered a sippy from the Grail.

>>54579462
I don't know about that, the Fey Enchantress crowned a vampire king of Bretonnia after he'd killed the last king in front of all his nobles by drinking the man's blood after a lengthy fight.

>>54579503
He was never given the Grail tough, that's why most people don't recognize his "Corronement" as legal anyway. The Roy of Betronnia must alway be a Grail Knight, that's the rule.

>>54579603
Huh, fair point. I have a friend who is a notorious powergamer/gamebreaker. Like, he'll go out of his way to break the game just for the lulz.

He's a nice, if crazy guy (and coming from me that means something), and I kinda wish someone would pull something like that on him once.

I'm a "no fun allowed" kind of DM, or I would be if I'd ever DMed something.

>>54579503
Is this some End Times nonsense?

>>54579647
Then DM this! >>54579438

>>54579647
Pretty much like my actual DM, I'm a "Karma" DM. I can be pretty chill and save a character life once, or even several time if I feel what's happening is unfair. But if your acting like a ass on table, your "Fate point" reserve can become low.

This is also kinda true for the character themselve, if a character act like a total murderhobo and a ass, he could find the karma to be a bitch to him when he need it. And well, I'm greatly attach to roleplaying. We are playing at a ROLEPLAYING game after all.

>>54579655
Nah mate, I read it in the Knights of the Grail book, came out ages before ET. It was meant to be in Bretonnia's backstory.

>>54579668
B-but I've never done it before, ever, I've never even looked at the main rulebook for WFRP, and I'm terrible at remembering rules for these things at the best of times and I'm going on holiday tomorrow.

>>54579694
Oh yeah, that got me really narked in the Deathwatch game we played, I was the only one who really made an effort roleplaying and that quickly sucked any fun out of the game. Especially when my terrible luck kicked in. First one shot, flubbed all my attempts to try and stabilize someone with a medkit (despite having tried to plan for this by *bringing* it in the first place), got pulled off my bike by a bunch of genestealers, then missed every shot I fired at the end boss and got my gizzard ripped out by some of its flunkies.

>>54578696
See you anon, I hope you have a good trip.

>>54579438
I do, unless you don't want an ERP campaign. Or your goal could be to avoid getting raped by monstergirls, I could do that as well. Cuts down on the fatality if quite a few enemies are trying to subdue rather than kill you.

>>54579775
Nah, bit of a busman's holiday for me.

>>54579748
> got pulled off my bike by a bunch of genestealers

How did you get out of this one alive ? I mean this one is not too asspuled, Genestealer are anti-marine material.

>>54579503
yep, the Fey enchantress is a lying elf that is part of a scheme designed to keep the brettonians as ignorant speed bumps, so we forget that this isnt some pure maiden with a heart full of goodness.

>>54579819
Now that I think about it, I can't remember if they knocked me off my bike or if they were somehow able to catch up to me and wound me whilst I was still on it (incredibly arbitrary rule that I got pissed about).

Then again, I did have a flamethrower.

>>54579655
I don't think so - but in the 6th ed army book, it says that the Fay Enchantress and 'the newly crowned king' denounced Merovech. The Knights of the Grail book is the place that says that he was a vampire, and in the original story, as far as I can tell, it's not clear if he was a vampire or just a madman. I tend to ignore Knights of the Grail when it comes to canon myself, though maybe that's unfair to it.

Quite frankly it's all a confusing mess in some sense - I've never actually seen it writ that the king has to be a Grail Knight, and we aren't sure why the Fay Enchantress crowns some bad dudes king and banishes others who by their titles seem to have been good. If they were a Grail Knight, why would they need to have been deposed? If the entire system relies on the idea that the earthy representative of the Lady chooses the best dude for the job, why is it clear that sometimes they fuck it up? Why did the End Times declare the title of king in Bretonnia to be Royarch, and decide that the King was either a successor of Giles or was chosen by one of the twelve Dukes, adding an element of democracy into the mix? I don't fucking know, and it always hurts my head to think about it.

>>54579748
RPG fluff was once again lol

>>54579831
Stop talking about End of Times lore for Bretonnia, they are no hope in those land, only suffering and despair.

>>54579849
To be honest, genestealer are quick motherfucker (just look at them in last edition, those thing are faster than eldar) and are famous for that (and being rape-machine).

I wouldn't be surprise if one pulled out a rush, climbed a wall or something on the run and jumped on your bike.

>>54579916
actually this was from the leaked stuff from before, the end times essentially brought back in something they had toyed with/hinted at then dropped.

If Castlevania anon is still around, I thought a bit more about Dracula's army.

You could buy cheap Elf head bits on eBay to use as Medusa Heads, Bone Towers are just head bits from the Dragon Zombie stacked up. Axe Knights are just Warriors Of Chaos modded to be throwing a short axe rather than holding a long one.

>>54579950
Making it clear was a mistake, and making it All-pro elves was spitting in every Bretonnian player face. But honestly, Warhammer was all about being pro-elves in his old age.

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>>54579950
I have no idea what this is or where it's from, but I'm pretty certain it's relevant to what you're saying.

Either way, it was bad to have it outright revealed, especially when one could have believed that the Lady had become a deity just because of the belief of her people. And it had always been a little twisty before - I think she appeared at one point in the Genevieve series, and there was nothing like 'I'm an elf lol.'

I think at this point there was no good way to explain it, even if GW had actually tried for one - even explaining how somehow the High Elves and the Wood Elves didn't realize what the Lady was about seemed half-assed.

>>54579831
The thing is that this was a theory before End times and people only hate it now that it's part of End Times.

>>54579775
yeah no...

>>54580142
>I have no idea what this is or where it's from, but I'm pretty certain it's relevant to what you're saying.

Its a pic of the studio Brettonian style-guide from an old convention.

''think she appeared at one point in the Genevieve series, and there was nothing like 'I'm an elf lol.'''

She didnt and why would she admit to that?

I think the high/wood elves one could easily be explained by - just dont care enough to investigate.

>>54580002
I liked the idea that while the Lady was originally a wood elf plot, belief created a separate entity independent of that plot.

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>>54580142
>Ariel become the godess known as the lady of the lake
Stopped reading here.

>>54580247
Honestly something among the line of this could have been cool:
>Minor Godess/Half-Godess from the elves live in Athel Loren but don't like hiding in the forest and grow bored and angry about it
>She think her people have grown cold and too distant of what they where and she don't understand Ariel anymore (probably the period where she got nuts)
>Instead she pass the time by watching the mortal human in the plains she on day fooled, battling for survival
>They are under constant treath by Orcs, beastman and skaven, yet they survive, and her people don't do anything like they would have when they where still the Azur. Worse they a butchering everyone in their path during the Wild Hunt.
>She like the knight roaming the land, they kinda remind her of the Azur, even if of course they less noble. They have potential tough.
>She notice a particulary fierce and noble knight, who seems to be as noble as Prince of Ulthuan in heart, a fearless
>She watch him for a while and see him charge and slay a dragon attacking one of his village despite the danger
>He begin to fight off the danger in the region with some buddy and she grow admirative of him, and decide to help them
>She appear to human and his companions and bless them, while encouraging them to be chivalrous and noble, to exploit their potential
>As he fight for his people she grow incrasingly found of Gilles, and she is horrified to see him fall, she order a Asrai to bring a message to the human, to bring Gilles to a lake, where she can collect him and bring him in her realm, to be her champion and compagnion.
>She realise that the bretonian people and Gilles compagnion have begin to see her as a ideal of chivalry and worship her.
>She realise that their faith made her more powerfull, and with times she grow more and more found of this people, and slowly accept to be what they think she is(probably helped by the effect worship have on gods in warhammer)
...

>>54580481
>Still being a elf, she try to create link betwen her people and the Bretonnian.
>Ariel and Orion accept, but they merely see them as meatshield
>She is not happy about Orion being a huge dick with his Wild hunt but can't do much about it

Or something like this; would have respect the link with the Asrai, and made it less "PRO ELVES BECAUSE ELVES ARE BEST".
Add a bit of mystery in it, hide and suggest the truth, Et Voilà !