At what point should a D&D/PF character be considered "stupid"?

>>54552053
>Kinda silly
INT15
>Charmingly dumb
INT12
>Literal retard
INT10

>>54552053
I'll be honest. I'm not even mad. I'm genuinely impressed at and intrigued by that little girl's ability to count to potato.

>>54552198
10 Int is the average, it's not retarded, that's normal.

>>54552234
18 is average.

>>54552254

This is bait

>>54552053
Logically INT and WIS should be correlated because of the 'general intelligence factor', but this is a game, you don't need to get that autistic if you don't want to and most characters will have similar ones anyway. High INT/low WIS is a lot more common than the inverse, and might be called 'stupid' if their WIS is more immediately obvious. A lot of people write autists as high INT/low CHA, but real autists are a lot more high INT/low WIS.
8-9 INT is roughly the range of real life stupid people. Below 6-7, you're talking about legitimate intellectual disability. If you want to play a character with INT below 7, you need to keep in mind you're writing a kid with Down's. Characters with WIS that low are a little more 'normal', but that's a relative term -- a WIS 5 character could not survive on his own and would do a *lot* of things people call stupid even with a carer, but especially if he's high INT he'd be able to impress people enough to be considered a full member of an adventuring party if his other stats are okay. It'd be harder for an INT 5 character to break through, but a guy who *did* would be a legend.
tl;dr: sub-10 INT or sub-8 WIS, second can be nullified by high INT

>>54552234
And average people are embarassingly dumb. Dumb is normal.

>>54553884
t. guy who's sure he has at least a 16 INT score irl

>>54553884
Falling for marketing, politicians and conformism is really more the sign of low wis.

>>54553942
>teeters trilby

>>54553956
I don't know what you're on about. Sense Motive and willpower are both literally wis-based.

>>54554009
Sorry, that was meant for >>54553884

Let's put things in perspective.

In 3.PF Int 3 is needed to be able to put ranks into any skill you're physiologically capable of performing(tool use) and understand language. It's still animal level intelligence.

Int 4-5, is still described as "primarily acting on instinct, may rely on charades to express ideas".

Int 6-7 is officially "dull witted" and has trouble with speaking.

Int 8-9 is simply "has trouble with some trains of thought and generally forgetful of details".
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int-
So I'd say you're noticeably stupid(as in a casual observer could pick it up) at 7 Int and lower.

>>54554473
This