MTG Modern General

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>>54538303
>what are you playing?
Affinity, because I forgot my Burn deck in my brother's car at GP Toronto
>what are you hating?
Grixis Death's Shadow
>what's your favorite shitbrew?
Abzan Reanimator

Eldrazi tron

Splashing black into 8whack for a Night's Whisper, Pain's Reward and Read the Bones draw engine?
y/n

>>54536461
Recently played against a As Foretold Balance deck that can kill all lands on turn 3, if you're into that.
There's some lists online, but the one I played against ran 4 Gideon of the Trial and Remand to stall the game. Packs a pretty decent punch if you don't know what you're up against.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-merfolk/

A spin on Merfolk. I feel that Merfolk is primed to be really good in our area since it has turned into midrangey mardu, tron decks, and cheap burn alternatives

>>54538991
I really don't understand why you went and took a good deck and then made it bad.

>>54538476
>adding a bunch of durdly card draw to the most balls out aggro deck in Modern
n, very n

>>54539199
So I can compete on your level.

>>54539553
Nice

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>>54539553

>>54539318
I keep running out of gas when my opponent reaches around 5-7 life and then It's all up to if I topdeck burn spells.
I need a way to draw more gas.

>>54540702
Tormenting thoughts/cathartic reunion?

>>54540702
And three mana black spells you think is the way to fix it?
The deck already needs a ton of things to go right in hand. What you're suggesting contributes nothing to the strength of the deck which is perfect opening hands and blazing fast lethal.

Gifts Storm with quickens to combo of insta speed on my opponents turn.

Yes/No?

>>54541101
No, it's not worth because you need 1 more mana, meaning that you are effectively comboing off 1 turn later.

>>54541101
I like quicken in the storm mirror but in a regular game I'm not really a fan.

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why don't you play Hearthstone?

>>54541243
>>>/vg/

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>>54540702
It's bad until you consider you really don't need the lands past two or three mana. Once you hit three you just pay a red to get 6 more damage in your hand.

>>54541243
It's a completely different less fun game where you have to rely on rng and grinding to build whereas you can go on a website and order all the cards you want for a determined price

Relinking this in case someone else has some thoughts on it. Gunn try and fit in some Sorins, the 4 drop one that makes vampires.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/worship-deaths-shadow

>>54541243
bad rng vs good rng

is there a discord server for this general at all? if so someone should post an invite here

>>54542213
Kill yourself

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>>54542235
r*deposters please leave

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>>54542213
the fuck is discord?

>>54542934
The new cancer chat service that is sweeping 4chan.

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Why aren't non-creatures allowed to have cards with just flavor text?

Creatures can have card text, flavor text, or both.

Non-creatures can only have card text, or both. They can't just have flavor.

Is there some conspiracy by WotC to show blatant favoritism to creatures?

>>54542949
nice digits.

so basically people are just skyping instead of posting on 4chan? why the fuck would you link that? might as well link reddit or mtgsalvation

>>54543103
wait... wut?

>>54542213
Fracturing discussion into more communities does nothing unless the chat medium adds something to discussion. And it doesn't add anything.

It's just easier if we sit here and flame each other through text because then at least we can quote each other for our bullshit.

>>54543103

To be fair, we do have the full art non-creatures like damnation, cryptic, negate, etc. that don't explain what the spell does. So I'm sure if wizards wanted to, they could print something like lightning bolt with just flavour text.

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>>54543103
this isn't pre-lorwyn WotC, guys. They aren't going to print shit like pic related again. It's a damn shame

>>54543292
I think they were a bad idea. People are going to play these against new players and it's just going to piss them off when there is no text.

Sure, there's a reasonable expectation that people memorize some cards, but it's not reasonable to expect people to expect to have to just take everything your opponent tells you not because of malicious intent, but because people are dogshit at explaining things. Not to mention there are people out there who would just roll their eyes when people ask what a card does or if not them then some other asshole in the room.

I'm against this fucking hug box the game has become, but I don't approve of giving dipshits in this game the opportunity to act all smug with their textless cards.

>>54543404
I agree they probably weren't the best idea, but I want them if only so I can have an entire burn deck of textless promos

>>54543103
So you want a vanilla noncreature spell? Without any text and all flavor text?

>>54543622
>Textless Boros Charm
>people get even saltier when you use the indestructible mode
I don't even own any Textless cards and i want this.

>>54538303
Is there even a playable card in the new set? I've been trying out Nimble Obstructionist, but it just isn't good

>>54543758
I've done it with Cryptic Command. It's stupid and you shouldn't be allowed to do it. It should be considered in extremely poor taste to play textless Cryptic Command outside a GP or higher rated event.

After I repeatedly cast Cryptic against a person I realized what a shitty situation it must be to have that card cast against you especially when it's textless. I put the promo away and got some regular ones - of course, this was during a time when Cryptic was cheap. Nowadays with the price of shit if I had to buy fresh Cryptics I would not do it and make people deal with it.

>>54543760
Even if it just force spiked the ability when it entered it'd be so much better. It's like they want to print something at Clique's powerlevel but can't do it without going overboard and printing Gurmag Angler and Siege Rhino stupid powerlevel shit.

>>54543835
The annoying thing about the Cryptic one is I'm pretty sure that the order of the resolving text can actually be relevant so resorting to oracle text happens way more than any other card.

>>54543835
On the one hand, everyone literally has Oracle text in their pockets or you can ask a judge for Oracle text. So it shouldn't be that big of an issue. On the other hand, I've been the guy who didn't remember Cryptic could tap creatures and got a little angry about it.

>>54543900
Just because you can reference Gatherer doesn't mean you should create situations where it is almost necessary to and waste everyone's time doing it.

There are better ways to teach new players to call for judges. And wasting a judge's time is a habit I want to stab people for - it's like they can't fucking think for themselves or they use the judge as an excuse to do no thinking.

There's this faggot in my community and he ALWAYS without fail calls a judge the moment the judge starts the event; and he fucking sucks at the game and refuses to learn and calls the judge for trivial bullshit like forgetting to give someone priority before declaring attackers. Angle shooting for shit like warnings and stuff at low rated events and perpetuating the idea that the judge is there to babysit everyone.

>>54544096
Dude, I was just saying I see both sides. Textless cards are both cool, and annoying.

> And wasting a judge's time is a habit I want to stab people for
Asking for Oracle text is not wasting a judge's time. A judge is there to oversee an event, and that is one of their job duties. 99% of judges would rather you ask them if you have any question concerning rules than you play like you know everything. Asking a judge for a sandwich is wasting their time; asking them for Oracle text on a textless Cryptic Command is not.

>>54544169
Sorry, I get it.

>>54542949
>discord is cancer

nice try sperglord, its only cancer for those who can't talk to other human beings

>>54544710
Having a discord for a general encourages tripfaggotry and drama. Only reddit-tier attention whores would actually want something like that for a thread like this.

>>54544710
but isn't thgat what were doing right now?

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>>54544920
>trying to make new friends who are like-minded and have similar interests and having a convenient place to talk to them is for reddit-tier attentionwhores


nice meme

>>54545044
>wanting to become friends with the subhumans who browse this site
lol no thanks

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>>54545518

Is there only one BW manland? the 2/3 lifelinker?

>>54545745
you could use dread statuary

>>54545800
Would sooner use Blinkmoth

>>54545827
Spawning Pool, Forbidding Watchtower, and Mutavault also exist.

I've been away from Modern quite a while, but it seems like Eldrazi Tron had a (small) drop in popularity, the last weeks. Any reason for this drop?

>>54541243
I did, until i bought into mtgo. Hearthstone is a fun game, bit I prefer magic

>>54546331
basically it didn't keep placing in paper or higher level online tournaments, so peopled started playing something else.

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>>54541380
i played this in atarka red. 100% gas.

>>54538303
>playing
mono white d&t
>hating
lingering souls until my shop gets a pair of orzhov pontiffs for me to buy

>shitbrew
uw taxes with sky hussar. i WILL make this work.
sky hussar and thraben inspector: more gas than the hindenberg.

Thinking of switching from legacy to modern, is it true that dredge is dead or simply neutered with grave troll ban?

>>54547140
The rumors of dredges demise were greatly exaggerated. But srsly its pretty viable but since people pack graveyard hate for GDS you're at a small disadvantage

>>54547173
That's more than a small disadvantage though

Kinda want to make a shitty tron deck with the new bolas. I figure I'll need oath of nissa, sylvan scrying, and the usual tron artifacts and lands. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

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>>54500715
>Favorite land

>>54547329
look up tron superfriends, they t1 oath of nissa then start loading up on planeswalkers

>>54547423
Oh shit, thanks anon

>>54546972
>uw taxes with sky hussar. i WILL make this work.
>sky hussar and thraben inspector: more gas than the hindenberg
Sky Hussar is fun, I've been thinking of running one in the Bant Martyr-Proc list I'm working on.

>>54547140
It's still really good, especially if your meta isn't prepared for it. If you have the money or the cards I'd have a second deck laying around once your meta has adjusted to dredge.

Should I wait till after the recent bans or start building affinity now?

>>54548021
Affinity will always be a deck in some capacity. It's like dredge, in that it waxes and wanes with the amount of sideboard hate people pack. Go for it.

>>54548086
Lit. I'm hoping to jump between affinity and dredge depending on the meta changes.

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>>54547329

Maybe one or two of these.

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>>54548021
Affinity will always be around and none of its important cards will get a reprint or banning anytime soon so it's never a bad time to buy.
You better get the right ravager art though.

predictions for b&r: thoughtseize is banned

>>54549032
FREE SFM

>>54549032
predictions for the b&r: nothing banned or shadow/something from Etron banned.

>>54549122
god I wish the tron lands would get banned
fucking fast mana bullshit needs to be aborted

Why doesn't grixis DS run temur battle rage, claim//fame, or apostle's blessing?

>>54549246
Tron wasn't nearly as bullshit before the Nudrazi and Ugin were printed. They got some new toys so we should get something new to fuck with them to discourage retarded coinflip magic.

>inb4 crumbling dust

t. Abzan player

>>54549266
>TBR/Blessing
because it isn't a combo deck.

claim/fame would be OK if you can find room for it.

>>54549266
DS used to back when it was Suicide Zoo with Probe, Become Immense, Swiftspear. Now it cares less about early kills and more about disruption

How to nerf eldrazi and maybe even shadow

1W
Enchantment
Each player chooses a basic land type. Nonbasic lands are the chosen type.

Ignore the syntax error shit

Edit: thanks for the gold

>>54549267
well we either need better hate printed (unlikely) or we need a ban

>>54549312
>shitting on blood moon
Fuck off.

>>54549312
Note that wastes isn't a basic land type. Also, this really shouldn't be printed. What Modern needs is decent /interactive/ things to deal with lands, not more Stony/RIP/Blood Moon style slam and win mega-hosers

>>54549280
>>54549298
I see, so making a more agressive DS shadow in grixis would actually be worse than whats used now?

>>54549360
They can choose Swamp and use their forest to cast Abrupt Decay.

It is kinda shitawful though, you are correct there, but basically make an enchantment that makes lands tap for a single colored mana and not (((3)))

>>54549371
Probably, you end up with a lot of moving pieces that do nothing on their own. Plus your upside of killing people quicker probably isn't better than just playing Burn

>>54549382
>basically make an enchantment that makes lands tap for a single colored mana and not (((3)))
Why not literally have an enchantment that does that instead then?

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>>54549367
you know what isn't on the reserved list?

>>54549717
REPRINT ON MTGO WHEN

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Was there ever a more disappointing creature than this one? It got an awesome visual design, yet for all its hype it goes down like a chump in both crunch *and* fluff.

Decided to build a Jund deck and was just looking at lists for it - has traditional Jund died off in favour of Death's Shadow?
I was about to pick up 3 Lilianas and a playset of Bobs when I noticed that, and I'm wondering about it as it seems like Bobs aren't run anymore, and Lili is a 2 of in a lot of Death's Shadow decks.

>>54547329
Don't go Oath of Nissa, keep your Ancient Stirrings
Just remove whatever, add Nicol Bolas and >>54548154
That's what I did, it works great
You can't tutor Bolas but you can tutor Cataracts

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If you guys really wanted to see Tron ban, then just start ramming it into any deck. Almost every deck could make room for at least a trinity

Hey /tg
If I wanna make a sultai zombie tribal deck, should I go aggrocontrol/midrange, or dredge maximum fuckery?

>>54551336
What do you think, anon? If what you want is an actual competitive deck, than fuck tribal. Just take dredge, season for flavour and meta and have at it. Seems like a stupid question, because it answers itself

>>54546972
>>54547589
There was a Legacy list that ran Sky Hussar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwLJjBGzEE

>>54549717
Wait really? That shit needs a reprint.

>>54553445
that one's on the 'never to be reprinted in standard' list along with counterspell, lightning bolt, force of will, necropotence, every storm card, opt, and every modern staple over $40.

>>54553938
Imagine a world where Standard taught players that there's more they can do with their lands than make mana, and there are potential upsides to running less colours in a deck. IMAGINE.

>>54554166
Let's be a little fair here. There are several utility lands in Standard right now. They're generally bad and wizards should feel bad, but they exist.

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should i wait for Chandra to rotate out of standard or buy now?

>>54548394
I am not gonna lie I kind of like the MM art more, but it'll honestly depend on price senpai.

>>54548394
>You better get the right ravager art though.
I made sure to get different art for half of a playset when I built affinity. For example, two Mirrodin Ravagers and two Modern Masters Ravagers. It made people unreasonably mad.

>>54554664
UW Control player at my LGS runs one FTV Wrath of God and one 4th ED.

>>54554751
It's nice that people can customize their deck any way they want.

>>54554324
Kaladesh isn't rotating until late 2018 I'm pretty sure, so might as well buy now

>>54554166
i prefer to imagine a world where modern and eternal formats 'shake up' without b&r updates because wizards printed impactful cards.

>>54542934
The opposite of harmony.

>>54554664
I want to run three normal ornithopters and one invention one, just because I know it will piss atleast one guy off.

>>54556487
Do it the European way: Run one German, one Spanish and one French thopter.

>>54555674
Eldrazi Winter?

>>54549312
Combo decks would run this. Ad nauseam hates blood moon, but would run a playset of this card to fuck with midrange decks. Storm would splash white for this. GW Tron becomes the best variant because even Tron wants this as Gx tron cares very little against this type of effect compared to decks actually locked out by it.

>>54556631
>Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition of Kozilek

>>54556861
>B-B-BUT THE M-METAGAME WILL SHIFT AND PLAYERS WILL LEARN TO D-D-DEAL WITH IT

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>>54538303
How's this look friendos?
I'm not sure whether or not to cut a 4drop for like a Finks maindeck or something.
Also unsure about SB. Lots of DS at LGS, some Tron and Jund.

>>54554294
Westvale Abbey is GOAT, I don't even care.

B&R PREDICTIONS

Banned: Nothing

Watch list: Eldrazi Temple, Street Wraith, Expedition Map

Unbanned: Nothing

>>54560989
I think you want to run a 3/3 split between IoK and Thoughtseize rather than a 4/2. Thoughtseize hits all of Tron's threats as well as Gurmag and Tasigur, which are the best cards in the DS matchup.

For the sideboard, I'd do something like:

>IN:
2 x Nihil Spellbomb
1 x Fulminator Mage
2 x Kitchen Finks
1 x Damnation

>OUT
2 x Crumble to Dust
2 x Obstinate Baloth
1 x Anger of the Gods
1 x Slaughter Games

>>54561472
Probably a good idea.
Fuck now I gotta dig for spellbombs and see if I still have them lol.

Isn't Crumble good against Tron?
Agree with Baloth, that was for an old mirrormatch against discard.
Why Slaughter Games? Too slow?

>>54561557
Crumble is good against Tron and can be good against Valakut decks, but it's very slow. Fulminator is lower impact but it's also more flexible and you can use it to good effect against most 3+ colour decks, especially DS which usually only runs 4-5 shock lands.

Slaughter Games is great against combo decks but it doesn't sound like there's a tonne of that at your LGS. You're likely to have a favourable matchup against combo anyway as you have enough discard. I'd consider Collective Brutality as an alternative as it's good against combo as well as Burn and sometimes against dorky creature decks like Elves.

>>54561676
Ah, I see. I guess utility > neutering.

I never understood how to use Brutality. It seems like a worse Thoughtseize most of the time. Also confused by Kolaghan's Command but yeah.

>>54561866
Yeah, modern is so diverse that it's usually better to pick flexible sideboard cards over narrow and powerful ones.

What is it about Kolaghan's Command that confuses you?

>>54561921
Like it seems like it's a modular Blightning but like what am I supposed to pick usually? Shock and Discard?

>>54562086
You kidding? It's stupid flexible. You can recur a beater/utility, remove an artifact, shock to face or creature or planeswalker, or disrupt hand. It's all situational and can be done on your opponent's turn to fuck them over heavily. Think about it.

>>54562086
Most commonly kcommand is used with the mode to return a creature plus whatever is relevant. Bringing DS or snapcaster to your hand is pretty nice

>>54562086
KolCo will often be a two-for-one, which is great for a three mana instant. The card's strength is again in its flexibility, all four modes are relevant.

Shock + discard is probably the most common option, a cool trick is to make your opponent discard during their draw step when they're top decking. The artifact destruction mode is great against Affinity and being able to return creatures from your graveyard is good against other midrange decks.

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>>54561866
This is some decent TL;DR into modern sideboarding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwZmFlLCirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RNqb8BxC-4&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4UptX3HQQA
Only major flaw I think of is when he mentions that in storm sideboard Swan Song counters Rule of Law and Eidolon of Rhetoric.
Rule of Law and Eidolon of Rhetoric huh? How many of you play or play against those cards? I don't have the stats but from my experience Ethersworn Canonist is vastly more popular sideboard slot and Swan Song doesn't do shit there.

>>54562440
I play eidolon in elves. It survives Bolt and Push needs it's revolt trigger to kill it.

any spicy tech came out for norin chambers in the last two sets?

Memes and shiet

>>54544710
discordfags should go to leddit

>>54543103
why aren't non-creatures allowed to have power and toughness?
Creatures can have power, toughness or both.
Non-creatures can't.
Is there some conspiracy by WotC to show blatant favoritism to creatures?

>>54545044
you can do all that on 4chin without joining a namefag circlejerk

>>54549312
Is the fact that people laugh at you when you create fag 'custom card' general not big enough hint?

>>54563376
>Creatures can have power, toughness or both.
Creatures have both, always.

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>>54563423
>not laughing at them on WMTGCS

>>54563478
Delete this

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Have you ever changed deck and regretted?

I'm thinking on changing my eldratron for a taking turn.

>>54564036
>eldratron
yes please change it to literally anything else

>>54538303
>>what's your favorite shitbrew?

b l u e s t a f f

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Hold it! If you value your life you will tell everyone your favorite basic.

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>>54565314
good thing I don't value my life then isn't it?

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>>54565314
t. turnsfag

also holy shit is captcha getting meta.
>it's a closeup shot of a white van door with a streetsign decal
>select all cars

>>54565314
Tormented Soul

Guys, just how far could someone get with a well brewed non-meta deck?

I'm noticing it more and more where I'll see players with Tier 1 or Tier 2 decks who get stumped and lose to something out of left field because their decks are that heavily constructed against the current meta that they don't know what to do.

Also: Is there any way to make the Vegito Angel's work in modern? And is anyone else kinda hoping we go back to Kaladesh soon just so Vehicles and Energy could get the support needed to be played in modern?

I'm semi-new to magic and don't know how the sets work, will iconic masters bring anything new to the format from older prints/formats?

>>54565606
>go back to Kaladesh soon
nigger what the fuck, we literally just left

>>54538303
Death Shadow will die at the altar of Pro Tour marketability despite being the fairest and least powerful top tier deck ever because the very concept of a top tier deck triggers Hasbro marketers.

Screencap this.

>>54565624
Energy isn't that fleshed out though. I mean it's pretty sweet, but some of the wincondition cards ended up being underwhelming (multiform costs too much mana, pumeller is cool i guess, dynavolt is interesting but selfcontained and requires spellslinging moreso than energy production, mahvel is emracoco)
I swear something like Gontis Aether Heart was going to be another rad energy sink, but R&D gutted it

>>54565762
I know it's not that fleshed out, I'm sure we'll return eventually but god damn I'm tired of all these fucking artifacts.

>>54565714
The thing I dislike the most of DS, is it's the deck that gets to play the most with fatal push, yet is extremely resilient against it even thought it casts all of it's creatures for {B}.

>>54565606
>wanting Vehicles that badly

They were mostly just shitty pseudo-equipment

>Energy

I don't know why anyone would want this again. It's parasitic rating is fucking Kamigawa Arcane tier.

>>54565606
>Vehicles
We're having more of those in Ixalan (Pirate Ships)
>Energy
One of the reasons they didn't call it Aether counter is because they wanted to be able to use it on other planes, so we don't need to go back to Kaladesh to get more Energy cards

>>54565606
I often beat anything but Tron with Mono Black Devotion at small tournaments.
At this point Tier 1 means you're more likely to 9-3, not that you're more likely to 5-0. There's a shitload of decks that can 5-0 but will never get into day 2 of a GP because they insta-lose to Burn/Affinity, Tron or TitanShit/Dredge.

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>>54565314
Best Basic artist in the Block.

>>54565606
My friend once won in a "Competitive Decks Only!!!" cockatrice lobby using a Arachnus Spider Standard deck.

Also back in Theros/Khans standard there was like 4 1-drops with Deathtouch that I desperately wanted to abuse with Athreos and Abzan Ascendency (and Brave the Sands for more value)
That being said it was a goofy deck meant more for being an asshole than winning, like my Necrotic Ooze deck. Called it Twelve-Touch before I realized Typhoid Rats were standard legal.

>>54566140
>not John Avon
Begone, heathen

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>>54565314

>>54565606
Blue Steel went 7-2 didn't it?
Non-meta works a-okay, mainly because Modern players are total metasheep. Just look at the DS "problem" and you'll see what I mean.

>>54565610
Those sets are reprints. They're intended to drive the price of certain cards down, but often enough they don't work. Alternatively, they remind people that a card exists, and you see the price jump by 5-10 USD.

>>54565776
Stop running 4x Fatal Push, fag.

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>>54565314
The best

>>54566376
what cards did MM3 spike?

>>54562440
Eidolon definitely sees a lot of play. 3 bolt is still pretty common, but not in every single storm sideboard anymore which is why we've seen Canonist numbers rising.

Rule of Law is basically only played in Sun and Moon though, and even with Swan Song, Storm doesn't play enough Echoing Truth to have a chance there. Maybe some of the Zur/Geist brews play it, but Eidolon is an enchantment already.

>>54566429
I don't think that MM3 did much. Small price slump, then things returned to normal. Off the top of my head, I'm aware that it cut off a spike(!!) in DS prices, but since then, Snappy has seen his price go up as well. That seems more like a symptom of GDS than MM3 however.

I was looking more at things like Maelstrom Pulse and Cryptic Command ticking up in price despite (or resulting from?) the printing of them as invocations.
Maelstrom is the odd one. I assume EDH is the culprit.

>>54566485
I mean, they're invocations. Even if most people didn't hate them there aren't enough to make a real price impact

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>Boomerang inside Isochron
>Grand Architect for free casting every turn
>also Pili Pala, maybe

Can I put it in an Eternal Command shell for more game stalling?

>>54566530
Sure, but it's odd that a price increase concurred with their release.

>>54566485
I don't think invocations affect normal card prices very much, as the supply of them is so low.

I wish they would sell these reprint sets at normal pack MSRP so that we could actually get lower prices for needed staples rather than just leveling them off momentarily.

>>54566552
Coincidence, I guess. It's been a long time since Alara, and Cryptic was really cheap for a long time so they were sorta due for an uptick anyway. Maybe UW control put up some real results in that time, I don't remember. Either way I'm pretty sure it's not the MM1 Goyf effect

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>>54565314

thoughtseize spike to $100 after the PT? place yer bets fuckos.

>>54567312
banned :)

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>>54567322
>thoughtseize banned from modern

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Rate my Ponza sideboard for GP Birmingham, friends. Note that my main worry is fast decks that either run lots of mountains anyway, or don't really need that much colourless mana.

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>>54565314

>>54567869
Looks sketchy. I'd swap the bonfire for another Anger, turn all those vandalblasts into ancient grudges, and cut the guttural for a thrun. Fracturing gust, if that's what im seeing, is trash. Destroys your moons and sprawls. Drop it. Play some kitchen finKS instead, or trinisphere if you expect a non-trivial amount of storm/cheerios/elves

>>54551403
What part of "tribal" is the one you didn't understand?

>>54569104
I've just taken a set of Ancient Grudges out of my board for the Vandalblasts and a Fracturing Gust. My deck has no problems generating 5 mana to overload it, and Affinity is probably my worst matchup. I need something to deal with Etched Champion, and if I can get to 5 mana as easily as I can, then the overload is perfect. Don't forget that it shuts down Ravager as well, whereas Grudge only really deals with Plating as a threat.

>>54569218
I guess I've never had a problem with affinity. I bring in 3 grudge, 3 anger and usually win postboard games.

>>54566536
Top 10 Summer Megamix Bad Ideas Collection (Must See!)

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went to my first draft last night. thanks guys for putting up with my questions and opening the wrong pack early enough for you guys to catch it.

now I'll spend $100 on packs because I like opening them

>>54569690
Not single packs I hope. A display would be cheaper

>>54569800

checked.

Should I get hour of devastation or amonkhet

>tfw both your game wins in a match come off of double gobby grenade

ALLAHU AKBAR

>>54541243
>>>/vg/egg/

>>54569690
Get a box of something if you enjoy popping packs. You could host a couple minidrafts if you have the friends to do that.

>>54569951

I'd get Amonkhet. Akh cards that look like they're going to spike after the gpare significantly more expensive than the ones from HoD


But if I were you I'd pick Kaladesh if you want something recent

>>54570848
>Kaladesh

someone here called vehicles a meme

>>54571190
modern is a meme

>>54569951
Kaladesh

Old school temur scapeshift just because I like cryptic and snappy and need to have a combo kill. I don't care about winning, I'm not joining if I can't beat em..

>>54569951
Depends what you want out of it.

>Start a card pool for standard
Hour of Devastation. It and Amonkhet a will stay in standard the longest and HoD seems a bit stronger

>Draft/Limited with friends.
Khans of Tarkir. Fun set to play, half-way decent chance for monetary value thanks to fetches and some nice cards for casual commander and modern.

>I wanna play lottery but am not legal yet
Battle for Zendikar. You can open an expedition and the two best mythics in the set and still not break even.

>Crack packs for modern
Hahahaha... don't. But if you have to, you can get Oath of the Gatewatch. It's gonna stay in Standard until September, has a few modern playables at rare and a decent chance at full-art foils.

>>54566376
MM dropped goblin guide from $30-$35 to $15. Pretty nice.

>>54569951
Do Champions of Kamigawa

>>54569343
Do you never play against Etched Champion?

>>54571342
Pretty sure KLD and AMN rotate at the same time senpai.

>>54553235
Greg "Shitbrew is my only brew" Hatch doesn't fucking count.

>>54566320
I run his Forests.

hey guys, I want to get into mtg and the whole thing is rather overwhelming, there's a shitload of videos on "how to get started" but they all say different things.

how should I actually get started in your opinion?
I come from hearthstone which is basically a card game for 5 year olds, so the fact that I played a tcg so simple might be detrimental in my learnings of MTG, right?

anyway, I'm asking here because I'm too old and shy to go to a comic book shop and ask around all by myself.

pls be nice, no bully, sorry for bad englando.

>>54572340
He won against MUD and got a win earlier in that tournament (that loss was from him being late).

>>54572940
Not Modern. Go into your card ship and ask around. You either want to get a good kitchen table group or possibly EDH.

>>54572940
First, you need to learn the basic rules. Grab a couple started decks or a clash pack and learn with a friend. You can download the rule pdf or grab any number of apps (MtG Familiar is great) and look up rule clarifications.

Then draft at the lgs. It's generally laid back, there are more knowledgeable to help you with the more nuanced rules. You'll learn how to properly construct a deck.

Read read read. There are tons of great sites for articles and videos to help you. I've been playing since 8th edition and I still read.

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Is Nahiri+ Emrakul just not good enough for Modern? Did the decks that ran it just take the entire shell out? What's the win condition in control decks these days, Colonnade beatdown?

>>54573349
That or elspeth, suns champion I guess.

>>54573349
UW Control is the deck of choice right now. It runs some number of Gideon Jura, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Jace, Architect of Thought and Colonades as wincons.

>>54573468
>one of three planeswalkers and a land

I love the state of Modern.

>>54572940
ask what format the people you intend to play with are playing.
walk into the card shop and ask the people of your age or the cardshop owner what format
people are playing.And how competitive they are.

you don't want to spend 250$ for a standard deck only to discover that people in your town play EDH and modern.

Could a worse version of Cabal Therapy serve as a replacement for Thoughtseize?

I don't want to be forced to use Duress.

>>54573001
What format would you call kitchen table mtg?

>>54574991
Well, kitchen table casual stuff. It's no real format, just friends getting with each other to play.

>>54575010
Where can I my kitchen table decks to get them ridiculed

>>54575036
where can I post*

>>54548394
Is that glowing spot above his teeth supposed to be a nostril or an eye?

>>54574991
Its officially called "freeform" afaik

>>54575090
Are you supposed to have 40 or 60 cards?

>>54575127
60 in a deck. It's standard rules but with constraints on deckbuilding that are determined by the playgroup. Just go into your game shop and ask to learn how to play from someone that doesn't look like an autistic neckbeard.

>>54575055
There's occasionally a "kitchen table" or "casual" MTG thread. Brews can be posted in the Modern General, but they had best be using Modern staples and optimal cards, and be honest that they're shitbrews designed for FNM fun.

>>54574938
Duress is fine imo, you put it in in matchups where you really need it (living end, ad nauseum, storm ect) and it just does its job fine.

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why do you play Magic over Pokemon? I have dabbled in both games and am looking to commit to or the other. Leaning toward Pokemon simply because the online client is top notch, but the game play in Magic just seems more satisfying.

tell me your stories, anons.

>>54575337
Alright, I did a few drafts in Shadows and Eldritch Moon and got a bunch of vampires, and a friend gave me some other cards (mostly these samurai guys) and I wanted to put them together. This is definitely a shitbrew, but I'd like some feedback on exactly how shit it is

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vampire-samurai-1/

>>54575538
Are you this guy again? >>54541243

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>>54575775
Yes.

I want a full spectrum of opinions.

>>54575797
>thread about X
>hey guys what about Y
>okay what about Z
You're the fucking worst. Why are you seeking approval from fat anonymous dweebs anyways?

>>54575538
Pokemon is braindead, lacks any form of creativity, and lacks interaction options with your opponent.
that being said, the client is a billion times better that MGO but such is life

>>54575514
Duress does its job of hitting non-creatures. The issue is that it whiffs against aggro and you really shouldn't be mainboarding it, ever, when Thoughtseize and IoK both are legal.

Does Abzan have any secret tech against eTron?

>>54575699
You're playing Standard+ right now. Everything is pulled from two, maybe three sets. Modern decks might pluck two stellar cards from one set on average.
Modern decks are largely constructed out of the top 1% value cards that provide reliable and always useful 2- or 3-for-1s as in Jund/Junk, or are these staples stuffed in around a central synergy, like growing Death's Shadow or slamming fatties with Tron.
Standard decks typically fall into the latter category, but at a much, much lower power level.

Anyway.
As for why you're deck in specific is shit, it's because you're not running effective creatures and you're not using any sort of acceleration scheme in an Aggro deck. Also you're in bad colors. Generic Aggro desperately wants Green right now for Collected Company, or at least to be running Aether Vial if Green isn't possible, a la Merfolk or Affinity.

RB isn't a good place to be. All you have is removal, but WB gives you exile, and RWB (Mardu colors) is just a pile of removal and shattered dreams.

Understanding efficient creatures is a good way to understand the power level Modern operates at. Something like Thragtusk (pic) is actually not good enough for Modern, despite being +5 life unless counterspelled, and a 3/3 if killed/exiled/bounced/flickered/etc.
In other words, there's no good way to deal with it. You as the caster will get some benefit from it, no matter what.
The reason it doesn't see play is because we have Tarmagoyf the 2 mana 5/6, Primeval "FREE lands" Titan, and even Grim Flayer the 2-drop 4/4 Trample that can filters the library.
This is what you're dealing with in Modern.
Against that, things like Takeno the 6-drop(!!) lord are a joke. Where Thragtusk gives +5 life and a 3/3 if hit by Lightning Bolt, Takeno gives you nothing.

Hopefully this helped. Playing Magic is the best way to learn, but unfortunately Wizards isn't good at getting new players into the game. Friends are the best bet.
Also, /tg/ is bad at magic.

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>>54576947
>>54575699
Thragtusk, as meant to include.

>>54576889
Primeval Command targeting lands :^)

>>54576889
Coming from UWx Control, Wrath of God, Baneslayer Angel, and Elspeth can be strong against them. Blessed Alliance kills Smasher without discarding and dodges Chalice on 1.

Part of the reason eTron is popular is because it's even harder to properly hate on than gTron and can do many of the same silly things.

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>>54538303
>Thread question: what's your all-time favorite card flavorwise?

>>54577500
Barrin did it better
#bringbackbarrin
#notmykami

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>>54576947
Don't you ever say that about mardu again

>>54576947
>Thragtusk is actually not good enough for Modern
rrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54577553
Search your feelings. You know them to be true.

>>54577553
hold the faith brother
one day all burn will be mardu burn and we will reach tier 0

>>54577018
If only we had land hate.

Reminder that UB Delve is stupidly budget.

>>54577909
how so? have a list?

>>54577919
Literally Grixis Delver with the red stripped out and a budget mana base.

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>>54538303
Why is this card banned again?

>>54577988
Because with it you can make 6 mana on turn 3.

>>54577898
eTron works just fine without Tron, though. You can get them with Blood Moon sometimes, but they have Mind Stone and Wastes to make colorless mana.

If you've got Ghost Quarter or Tec Edge against them I wouldn't even use them on the Tron lands, and save them for Sea Gate Wreckage and Cavern instead.

>>54577988
because it makes the urza lands look like trash

>>54578017
yea but what does it mean by locus? it isnt a ceature type ive heard of.

>>54578034

If you look carefully, Cloudpost is a "Land - Locus".

>>54578034
It's an arbitrary land subtype. That's all.

>>54578063
oh, oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. yea im happy thats banned

>>54578034
A locus, in mathematics, is essentially a curve. Cloudpost creates mana based on a particularly steep curve. 1, then 4, then 9, etc. There's a Legacy deck called 12 post that is a sort of Tron deck: it generates massive amounts of mana with 12 "Cloudposts" and beats you.

>>54578159
i thought you can only have 4ofs of nonbasic lands.

>>54578159
I love how cucked all 12post players were by the Top ban. That deck fucking MURDERED Miracles.

>>54578174
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
Cmon, do a bit of googling before making yourself seem silly.

>>54578174

cloudpost isnt the only locus friendo

>>54578174
>>54578202
oh shit u right, yea that does make, a LOT of mana.

Well i guess i learned somthing today

>>54578196
It also ran Top itself

>>54578241
It's like Jamal rang his friend Tyrone and they forced their way into every Miracles player's houses and spitroasted their wives.

What would it take for Ponza to be good?

>>54578427
Honestly it already is. You take an automatic shit on GDS and eTron because you shit on their mana bases and play bigger creatures. Beyond that it's just board hard into your bad matchups. Not many decks can beat a good Ponza draw.

>>54578427
I can't really tell what would make it good but as for the negative features of the deck I'd say being on draw makes early turns that much worse, the strategy blows against low curve decks (LOL SHADOW) and general inconsistency problem of RG where you gotta get lucky to have the mana (at least 2 land and mana dork) + disruption (in the form of land destruction) + finisher (4+ mana, has to resolve).
As >>54578446 said, the best draws are very game winning, worst draws are do nothing, behind on board, opponent can durdle out of it, not resolving your finishers etc.

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pay 3 cast paincaster, pay 2 to copy it with mirror and pay another 2 on the stack to copy gift. first copy trigger resolves, exert it, dealing 1 to aven windguide, second proc triggers it becomes a copy of gift. start of combat, first gift trigger bring back brawler, discarding chaos maw, second trigger bring back chaos maw dealing 3 damage to everything killing aven windguide, paincaster, and the nagas, allowing you to swing past their sandwurm convergence with 2 4/4 tokens and your 2 5/5s (aven gives tokens flying so they couldn't attack, and you have 5 cards in yard for river serpent). deal 13 after blocks and finish with 7 damage from Bolas minus.

is this autism?

>>54578737
>Standard

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>go to watch modern twitch stream
>obvious fucking tranny playing
>w/e don't care here for the game play right?
>huge fucking window showing it's face
>keeps singing along to song playing with it's hideous "i'm not a man but I totally have a penis and testosterone" voice
>welp, close tab
>try another modern stream advertising titan shift
>another """female""" streamer with a huge window of their face singing along with their gravely nasaly voice

god fucking damnit

>>54578872
sorry buddy, everyone of note is watching/playing standard at the moment

>>54578888
yeah i've figured that out. I don't really care about standard so times are hard.

>>54578961
>times
you mean this weekend?

>>54540702
>I have a problem with burn, I always end up out of cards and in need of another damage spell or three

Welcome to burn

>>54578872
If that first streamer is who I think it is at least """she""" plays some interesting fringe and brew decks.
As a side note especially on smaller streams there tends to be lot more viewer interaction which in turn creates gay little cliques as a yet another unbearable thing.

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>>54577988
Does he count?

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>>54540702
>>54579027
>>54539811
Run a Ramunap Ruins

>>54579249
Does it look like he has subtype "Locus"

What are the best sideboard cards as GB Tron for the burn matchup besides collective brutality?

>>54579582
leyline of sanctity

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>>54579657

>>54579582
1 Battle at the Bridge like a memelord

idk man collective/duress/push is really all you need

>>54579771
My meta is around ~1/3 burn, 1/3 Black Midrange Variants + UWX control, 1/3 meme decks like gideon tribal or mill.

There really aren't bad matchups in the meta besides burn, zoo, and a single storm player.

>>54579582
dragons claw

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3-0-1 at a dissapointingly small turnout FNM, too many people playing Standard because of PT hype. Board needs work but this monument deck is super real. Jamming in some Unified Will and Fragmentize for tomorrow

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>memedern memedeck memematch
this is what the format could be without t1 thoughtseize being the objectively best play for every match.

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>>54580724
>someone else forcing sky hussar

>>54580763
thank god for thoughtseize

>>54580894
How can you enjoy a cancerous card like thoughtseize though?

>>54580763
Honestly any Hussar deck is probably pretty good against Thoughtseize decks

>>54580943
Huh? Thoughtseize is a very fair card that keeps the cancer in check. It's kinda like Modern's ghetto force based on the role it plays in the format

>>54580943
Keeps combo and other assorted shit in line.
Sometimes the medicine is a little bitter.

>>54580955
>Thoughtseize is a very fair card
???

>>54580955
>Thoughtseize is a very fair card
I don't think you know what fair means

>>54580975
Tell me how exactly Thoughtseize is unfair - it's a 1 for 1, but you have to pay mana and life while they don't.

This just in, vanilla creatures are the only fair thing in the format

>>54580988
>1 for 1
it's not a true symmetrical trade
you take the best card in their hand, at any point in the game, for one mana and 2 life

>>54580988
You're forcefully mulliganed out of your best card.

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>>54580988
>1 mana, 2 life
>i can forecast your next several turns and adjust my play accordingly, you can only guess at mine
>also i put your best card into the graveyard

t1 thoughtseize (especially OTP) puts you in the driver's seat and straps you the fuck in. no other play is as impactful for a single card.

>>54581067
>t1 Urza's Mine

>>54581067
>>54581064
>>54581043
Nobody said it wasn't absurdly strong, but there's a difference between being good and unfair. Unless your definition of unfair is "cards that beat me"

My favorite deck is Ad Naus and I still think that TS is totally fair

>>54581111
that doesn't immediately give you full knowledge and take away an opponent's answer to the bullshit you're trying to pull

>>54580724
wait are you the guy from the last thread who talked about brewing sky hussar?

is sky hussar now the /tg/ meme card?

>>54581043
Unfortunately, i say this hating thoughtseize and hand disruption, thoughtseize is completely fair. They couldn't print another hand disruption anymore powerful, but thoughtseize is still in the clear

>>54580724
I've never played that list but i would personally swap a serum, a wall, and 2 judges for 4 thraben inspector, and swap the other 2 serums for 2 honor of the pure.

>>54581067
>draw it late game
>it's dead

t1 thoughtseize is pretty damn good. Nobody will argue against that. It's kind of a necessary evil because it interrupts combo and other degenerate strategies since we don't have Force of Will in this format.

>>54581133
It's unfair because it's turn fucking one and this format doesn't have force of will.
Whoever goes first and has that card gets to hamstring the other person.

So yes, I consider it unfair, unless your definition of unfair is "cards that only one player is allowed to play."

>>54581192
>we need it because we lack force of will

>>54581194
>this card is busted because we lack force of will

seems loose

>>54581204
>two different posters
Epic.

Now if you please explain your stance in >>54543760

>>54581194
as someone who plays 4 inquisition 2 thoughtseize in modern, you are way overreacting. 9/10 it causes a mild stutter in their tempo

>tfw played against GBTron
>turn 4 ghost quarter their tower, TS
>take their karn, leave their ulamog
>next turn they rebuild their tron
>turn after they top deck another karn
>kill it with creatures, ghost quarter their tower again
>they topdeck a third tower and a third karn
>drops ulamog too

>>54581247
That is the first post I've made in this thread today, so I don't know who you think I am. I just thought it was funny how controversial Thoughtseize is as a card.

If you want my opinion on the cards in the new set, Crucible of Worlds that you can Company or Chord into seems solid.

>>54581204
If your plan is to Force their turn 1 discard then you're almost certainly being way more unfair than Thoughtseize

>>54581187
Inspector is pretty reasonable but I'd be worried about dropping too low on interactive pieces, even if Familiar is weak in that regard. Inspector over Visions sounds all right though

>>54581276
Company into Excavator and Azusa, untap and destroy Shadow/E-Tron with a ghost quarter. It's also pretty good with Canopy

>>54581275
Unfortunately, posting long enough in the Modern General will reveal to you that a large number of people in this thread don't actually play the game.

>>54581194
>It's unfair because it's turn fucking one and this format doesn't have force of will.
>implying you force a seize in most situations
top retard

>>54581275
>it causes a mild stutter in their tempo
>but I play 6 discard spells
hmmm

>>54580724
>>54580763
Is this just UB control builds with Sky Hussar stuffed in for card advantage, or am I retarded?

>>54581435
It's just memes.

>>54581418
Not him but,
>mild stutter in tempo
Whoever has lead tempo wins. If the opponent is never able to play something to steal tempo back, he will always lose.
>six discard spells
The correct amount to have one for T1.

What is there to "hmmm" about?

>>54581479
Saying that it's "mild" is a bit of an understatement.

>>54581455
>>54581435
Not memes, just a meta call to beat the shit out of Shadow and any deck looking to play fair, with UW as good board colors to pick up the unfair stuff

>>54581490
Any card draw will reverse the tempo loss.
It's pretty mild.

>>54581508
True, if they happen to draw a card as good as the one you chose to get rid of.
Which is why the T1 part of it is really the part that gives it the big impact.

>>54581435
>Is this UB
>am I retarded?
Yes.

>>54581435
one is an oketra's monument list, the other is a aether vial list.
i personally prefer the vial build because it generates more 'mana' over the course of a game and allows you greater leverage of the boardstate with flicker abilities and reflector mage.

>>54581508
>any card draw will reverse the tempo loss
>implying tempo has anything to do with cards in hand
>implying what they draw is going to be something as good as what you took and not just a land or spell they can't play for three more turns

I am on your side but this just makes no sense. Hell, calling TS a tempo card in the first place isn't exactly accurate, it provides an abstract pseudo-tempo, since it does literally nothing to actually give you tempo, it simply reduces your opponent's capacity to create tempo in subsequent turns.

>>54582140
>>54582140
new