How would Holy Terra fare against a Hive Fleet?

>>54531503
Depends on how big the hive fleet is, who was present when this all goes down, how long they've had to prepare, and how deep the genestealer infestation really runs

>>54531583
Assume they've had enough time to fully prepare, but for some reason are only able to make use of what they have in-system

They're up against the full for of Hive Fleet Leviathan

>>54531503
Pretty well, what with the shipyards, it being Holy Terra and Mars being RIGHT THERE for the Mechanicus to asspull some superweapon assuming Emps doesn't just reincarnate and BTFO the fleet himself.

It's 40k man, it runs on holy bullshittium or high octane handwavium.

Literally the worst place to invade without having half the IoM backing you going in
Probably so much bullshit sitting there

>>54531601
I don't think the tyranids would really care about the world considering all the work they would have to go through to get to the slivers biomass in it

>>54531601
>only what's in system
When though? At one point in time you have mostly just admech, terra PDF, custodian, inquisitor and assassin troops. They fleet and orbital defenses are impressive though, but against the full might of leviathan?

And the At other points in time you have Guilliman himself, the sisters of silence, several chapters of marines, Cawl, Celestine, and the entirety of the primaris marines present in the sol system. After that, you have most of those forces leaving terra and going on the indominus crusade

>>54531656
That has never stopped them from invading forgeworlds or hive worlds before. Again, this is the entirety of leviathan. Not the cryptus tendril, not even the Octarius tendril or the one that wiped out forgefane in a week, but ALL of leviathan. Unless a warp storm wiped out the majority of them, it's going to be an extremely hard fight for the imperium even though this is terra

>>54531676
Current time in lore

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Terra might be all right. The Shadow of the Warp hitting the Astronomican would spell death for countless thousands of worlds and ships though

>all of leviathan
>no reinforcements coming to save them
Terra loses through attrition, there's simply too many tyranids focusing on one system. Those orbital defenses will hold out valiantly but eventually even they will be worn down by sheer numbers. If the tyranids are already landing on terra and mars, the battle is pretty much over.

>>54531621
>all this terra wank
>belicuck made it into orbit
>eldar made it up to the throne room
>Orks literally parked their death star in orbit and had an ambassador walk into the palace
>Necrons made it to mars
>Khorne sent a whole army to the palace gates
>genestealers cults already there
Pretty much everyone but the Tau has stuck their dick into terra, an entire hive fleet showing up when most of the custodes and SoB are off on crusade would absolutely fuck them up. It's like the Beast, except they aren't going to wait around and negotiate

>>54531752
there is no "current time" you dunce

>All of Leviathan
>A giant pile of skulls falls from the sky, killing a few transients

Alright, if Leviathan can't take terra, would they be able to take cadia? How about Armageddon? Or Ultramar again, except this time with Guilliman?

The Tyrannids get shot down before even a single spore reaches Terra. The Sol system has the most in-depth orbital defenses in the Imperium of Mankind; for fuck's sake, they've turned the entirety of the moon into a single giant battlestation!

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>>54532255
Guilliman would defeat the nids by application of REASON. He would not only persuade them to stop their attacks, he would make them evolve giant omega letters on their ships and becoming their Hive Liege.

Even with the official defenses, it'll be tricky.

Now consider that the Imperium is like an iceberg. 10% of their defenses are above water, 90% of their defenses are hidden in secret vaults. Because they're technically forbidden magic or technology, and should only be used in the direst of circumstances.

>>54532389
I'm edging towards this answer, myself. Sol is one of the most heavily defended places in the entirety of 40K, starting at Pluto and only getting more ridiculous as you go inward, has multiple Astartes chapters, whatever the fuck Mars keeps in their vaults, the moon is literally a giant-sized Death Star, and if all else fails, the Emperor is there.

>>54532012
>necrons made it to mars

I just want to explain just how INSANE Mars' defenses are.

The Necrons fucking FTL'ed/teleported to the surface of Mars WITH WARSHIPS, and in seconds all but one ship was destroyed. We're talking here about planetary defenses OBLITERATING NECRON WARSHIPS. The last surviving warship managed to land and open the cargo hold doors before being annihilated.

And that all took place in seconds.

>>54532012
The only reason that the Necrons made it to Mars was because they teleported in using their Warpless FTL drives. Nothing that uses the Warp/realspace in anything like "normal" factions would get anywhere near.

>>54532472
No, they don't. The Mars incident is mentioned in recent lore. Newcron lore which has the Necrons not being FTL but near-light speed.

Guys, we're talking about a hive fleet consisting of millions upon millions of ships. This isn't just a tendril of leviathan, this is the whole damn fleet. Terra's defenses will carve through them but they can't possibly hope to shoot down every ship. Even if only 10% of the tyranids ever made it to the ground, that's more than enough to pin down the defenders

>>54532449
where can i read up on this?

>>54531785
Couldnt the Emps just BTFO the shadow?

>>54532861
Emps is the wildcard, so no one can really tell what the outcome would be

>>54532448
>has multiple Astartes chapters
I know the Imperial Fists and Grey Knights are there, with their Fortress-Monasteries on Terra and Titan respectively, but what are the other ones? Do the Custodes count as Astartes?

>>54531708
>Unless a warp storm wiped out the majority of them
This already happened, though.

>>54532861
Slaanesh in "Valedor" casually arrived at an Eldar maiden world that's being eaten by the Tyranids. Slaanesh pushed the hivemind and its shadow aside to descend on the planet to munch on the dying Eldar souls and then watch the whole thing unfold before leaving for her business.

If the Shadow in the Warp didn't affect Slaanesh at all, then it shouldn't affect the Emperor.

>>54532898
Can't think of any other marines in the system, but there should be enough custodes to make up for it, as there are apparently 10,000 of the fuckers.

>>54532012
>Khorne sent a whole army to the palace gates
wait what

>>54531612
>holy bullshittium
my fucking sides

>>54532012
>Necrons made it to mars.
One of 5 ships. Nothing made it back.

>Orks
Yeah calvinball fuelled ones under the Beast.

>>54532449
It was 5 light cruisers designed for stealth operations not battleships.

>>54532484
Yeah then it does not make sense.
Traveling with the speed of light from Sol to our next stelar neighbour already takes years.
Go figure the rest regarding stl...

>>54533649
Still warships.

>>54532012
Ork "ambassadors"?

>>54533689
Yes "Beast Arises" I think is the name of the series, about most badass orks ever.

And yes they did steal moons to make space ships

>>54532861
The Emps may be fine. The Astronomican can be blocked however. That's mostly why it's called "shadow of the warp".

>>54533169
Read the 8th edition codex. Khorne was utterly btfo by Guilliman when he sent 8 legions and 8 bloodthirsters to terra after the galaxy was split in half

>>54533749
has the lore stuff been leaked already? I only managed to find stuff on the units

>>54531503
>tyranids show up in sol system
>the astronomicon is instantly switched off due to shadow in the warp
>suddenly daemons.jpg
>tyranids move closer to terra
>terra already BTFO by daemons
>tyranids move closer to terra
>daemons have picnic

>>54534413
Daemons just did attack Terra and got BTFO. Fuck off chaos-shitter.

>>54534460
But in this case terra is incapable of getting reinforcements and the daemons have infinite reinforcements.

>>54534504
What part of 'just happened' dont you understand? Your headcanon can fuck off chaos as always only achieve sidequests.

>>54534531
>this totally theoretical event can't happen because the people who are not writing it delegate chaos to only achieving side-quests

Nice b8 m8
What part of The ENTIRE FUCKING ASTRONOMICON BEING DISABLED do you not get?

>>54534413
The astronomicon being veiled by the shadow in the warp would in no way result in demons being everywhere.

Perhaps you've confused it with the golden throne, which would be entirely unaffected by the shadow.

Dragon wakes on Mars and shows the IoM that the Tyranids are the least of their troubles.

>>54534622
What part of THAT JUST FUCKING HAPPENED YOU RETARDED CHOAS FANBOI dont you understand?

>>54533820
Nigga the codex is literally half lore. Goo fucking read it

>>54534661
I need to step in because of the retardation. The Shadow in the Warp will result in the Choir powers cutting out with many of them dying from the Shadow in the Warp.

With the Firetide being extinguished, daemons will surge forth to Terra. The next step depends on if the Shadow in the Warp can halt the coming daemonic incursions.

>>54534717
The khornate invasion did not feature the Light being turned off.

>>54534704
The Dragon on Mars is just a shard.

>>54534792
>The khornate invasion did not feature the Light being turned off.
It only existed because that HAPPENED. Jesus Christ literally kys for the betterment of mankind.

>>54532898
Space Wolves usually have about 2 dozen of their guys there as the Wolfguard, who protect their navigator bros. Nowhere near chapter strength, but they're there.

>>54534886

No, the Great Rift birth obscured the light across the Imperium. It didn't shut it down.

>>54534886
>khornate invasion just happened and since khorne is the only chaos god this means that no other daemons can attack terra

10/fucking kill your self
Seems legit

>>54531503
It would be terrably

>>54534941
>With a great surge, over a million planets of the Imperium were cut off from the Light of the Emperor as the Astronomican went out.
Hmmm. I'll just consider this my final point. It's clear you know nothing.

>>54534951
>We didnt really mean it that time promise

>>54531612
Or you can say 'high octane bullshit'

>>54532396
Why does he look like a giant baby? Or a man trying to be a woman.

>>54532449
Is this from the oldcron codex? I'm pretty sure it was single occupant craft that landed. I can look it up if you want.

>>54532834
It's been in Necron fluff since 3rd codex at least

>>54535402
>>54535402
You are right the beam did went out. However, the attack was described as rash. Rash attacks often fail.

If Abaddon led the attack, things would have been different.

>>54532449
The Ad mech also tracked them for a while before they tried to land (I'm guessing with weapons fire)
Also as everyone else has said, these were small crafts, not tomb ships.
>>54534792
Considering the World Engine was heading for Mars makes me think it's more than just a shard, possibly a big shard or the real deal. This was after the crons got newcron'd

>>54535695
>>54535695
>Considering the World Engine was heading for Mars makes me think it's more than just a shard, possibly a big shard or the real deal. This was after the crons got newcron'd

"Gods of Mars" says the Dragon on Mars is a vast shard of the Void Dragon. The villian of the book also wanted to unearth Dragon of Mars and put it inside the Breath of Gods machine which would have made the villain control all space and time in the galaxy.

>>54532396
Matt Ward pls go and stay go

>>54535567
>of abandon lead the attack, it would have been different
Abbadon lead much more diverse forces against the reeling forces of cadia and lost the ground war, it's just chaos writing is so bad these days he pulled a "gg faggots but I already won in orbit lol." Abandon and an army teleporting right in front of the lions gate and facing an army of sister of silence and custodes, lead by Guilliman, and under fire of the best defense guns in the imperium, would get BTFO. The whole premise of showing up on the emperors doorstep with no backup is already rash, no matter who it is

>>54533682
>5 Necron stealth ships BTFO by mars
>somehow this translates into millions of bioships not even being able to get close to mars
Really activates the almonds

>>54531503
If the tyranids enter the sol system and IF this causes warp travel to become impossible then the tyranids win because terra runs out of food and dies.

>>54531503
Well Terra has a GSC infestation so I guess we'll see soonish.

>>54536987
>Abbadon lead much more diverse forces against the reeling forces of cadia and lost the ground war

One, Cadia the second most fortified and defended planet in the Imperium. Abaddon forces conquered all the surface of Cadia except a single fortress.

Two, Trazyn efforts prevented the last fortress falling, and his tinkering with the Gellar shield saved the entire planet from being one shotted. Then the Pylons....

Three, the Pylons fucked over the traitor and daemon forces and forced Abaddon's retreat. Before the Pylon was activated, the traitor forces were crushing the Cadians and have killed off all Trazyn's collection.

So lets take a check. Trazyn won't be at Terra and there are no Pylons anywhere on Terra. If Abaddon invades, it will be fucked.

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>>54533599
>>54533689

>>54531656
Terra has a population in the hundred billions

>>54533708
This sounds radical as fuck. I gotta look into this.

>>54538766
Oh so we're giving abbadon every advantage he had at cadia? That's a totally different scenario than the army teleporting right in front of the palace with no space support and a strategy to just blitz in and kill the emperor, which is what the khornates did. Any force in that same situation would have lost hard, even abbadon. Especially abbadon.

>>54534737
Why? The lore is garbage

>>54539236
so has the average Hive World

>>54539664
Which the tyranids attack all the time. Just because it's mostly city doesn't mean tyranids won't go through the effort

>Ultramar tore through a Hive Fleet with the cost merely being most of a chapter and PDF regiment

A lone hive fleets of any size wouldn't even make it past mars

>>54532012
>genestealers cults already there
????

>>54531503
Holy Terra and the Sol System are the most heavily defended place in the imperium. You can barely see Terra through the cloud of spaceships surrounding it. Mars's shipyards form a solid, thick, ring around the planet. And if Holy Terra is threatened, every space marine chapter is immediately redirected. The hive fleet would be fucked. You could lay siege to the sol system, but attempting full-on warfare is a death sentence. Nobody has ever won.

>>54531656
Actually they care. This is very clearly say in the Codex that a huge part of Leviathan is running straigh to Terra.

You know that the Astromonicum is frequently compare to a light in the dark, and the Tyranids to insect ? Well what happen when you put a torch in a forest at night ?

Exactly.

>>54542079
>Leviathan

I'm sorry to say, but Leviathan died in a paragraph already, no longer a threat

>>54531583
I think you mean "It depends on what edition it is, which edition tyranids it is, and which edition imperials are allowed". If the answer is 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, then tyranids win pretty handily.

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>>54533074
10,000 you say?

>>54533026
Valedor got some Slaneshi wanking tough, and there not that many Tyranids anyway.

Isn't in this novel some Fareseer got a weird contact with a Tyranids/the Hive mind and see some weird thing on how being eaten by the Nids is worse than death and feel that the hive mind noticed her, and shit herself because it's terryfing ?

>>54536987
>Millions of bioship
Surely you mean billions anon ?

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>>54532448
The Emperor you say!

>>54542124
In Age of RobotLyman the tendril attacking Baal got destroyed yes; not the rest.

Dosn't change the fact that the Astronomicun act on them like a lamp on mosquito.

>>54531785

Would very much like to see this is an arc actually.


Astronomicon is dulled by the shadow, desperate battle to fight off the fleet going on around Terra to relight the astronomicon, Imperium going to shit all around.

Would be funtimes.

>>54531503
I dunno, if they can turn Octarius into a meat grinder then Terra might just be a big battlefield for a few months before someone shows up to kill them all.

Probably Guilliman.

>>54531503

Its the most fortified planet in the imperium

It has the massive lunar rings which are the headquarters of battlefleet solar

the shipyards and star forts of Saturn with the solar auxilia

The foundries , forts and shipyards of mars and all their weird technology

The Earth has its own star forts with more solar auxilia

Earth has the imperial palace and its 10,000 custodes , which withstood 9 space marine legions , dozens of titan legios and a chunk of the imperial army as well as demons.

Earth has *hundreds* of billions of people to call on, including billions of the best soldiers in the galaxy, thousands of armoured and mechanised regiments.

Earth has an imperial fists fortress with a garrison (due to codex fuckery its hard to say how many squads chapters rotate out for garrisons, given its importance and the number they left behind last time they may have about 50 marines on station)

Earth has the fortified headquarters of all of the major institutions of the Imperium

Earth has several titan legions present

If reinforcements were allowed then you would have everything in the imperium flooding in

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>>54531503
hokay, it would not be Terra. Terra, is the heart of the imperium. Terra is the Astronomicon. The blinding beacon of humanity. The reason and ability for all interstellar trade, commerce, combat and war. This is the seat of the 12 highlords, a primarch, and the fucking emperor of mankind himself.

Ever single soldier, ship, weapon, deployment, pilgrim, man woman and child, in the fucking galaxy, would be sent to Terra.

Life in the imperium STOPS until Terra is safe becasue without Terra, there is no imperium.

All off the Space marines. ALL OF THEM. Would hit Terra.

The Chaos Marines would show up. Because NOBODY kills the emperor but them.

Every single fucking astartes in the galaxy, ever warship, guard regiment, loyalist, traitor, whatever, if a hive fleet big enough to actually threaten the most secure place in the imperium, a goddamn galactic scale exodus of war would focus and become such a fulcrim of death, destruction, backstabbing and promotion, either the chaos gods would rip open reality and step in personally or a fucking new god would be born. This would be the singel most catastrophioc event in 40k. gods, kings, heros, villians and monsters would rise and fall, and nothing would ever be the same.

AKA That'd be pretty fucking dope.

>>54541178
>nobody has ever won
Orks literally parked their death star in orbit and told the imperium "git gud."

If terra was really as protected as everyone here keeps wanking it up to be, that ork moon would have been toast the second it appeared in orbit

>>54542735
>Hive fleet surrounds Sol
>Shadow mutes the light of the Astronomicon like a billion moths on a lightbulb
>no reinforcements
>Mankind stranded without light of Emperor
>Hive fleet wages war on Sol for centuries
>Eventually consumes everything
>'Tis the inevitable end of man

>>54541022
Nope, the tyranids were on their path to total victory with no losses due to biomass reclamation because ultramar could not do shit against them.
Then the inexplicable imperial navy showed up and the tyranids melted. Even though that makes no sense because the imperial navy cannot be rallied that fast and nobody knew anything was wrong and warp travel is not that fast.

>>54541022
Behemoth wasn't even close to leviathan in size and didn't really bother with anything other than swarm tactics, it's why they burned through their biomass so fast compared to other fleets. And they still only lost because the imperial fleet just so happened to show up at the right time and a warp rift sucked up most of the fleet

A tendril of leviathan bulldozed through thof cryptus system shield worlds in 3 days, faced the combined might of the blood angels and the Mepherit dynasty Necrons, lost a large portion of their fleet in some asspull move, and still went on to wreck Baal and what is essentially the Blood angel legion. The BA lost, the tyranids won that war handily even with the warpstorm wiping out most of their fleet. It was only the combination of that plus guillimans indominus crusade suddenly appearing plus kbandha wiping out all the Nids on another moon.

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Holy Terra would be triumphant, but nobody 'fares well' after getting hit with a hive fleet. And if this is a hive fleet big enough to threaten terra, there's gonna be a hell of a lack of faring well.

>>54531503

The Tyranids would literally have to send so many ships that space is just filled with solid biomass, and have so much shit in the air that the defenses can't kill them all. Either that, or run the entire solar system out of ammunition and energy.

The Tyranids can technically do both, we just haven't seen their main force yet. No hive fleet or tendril will be able to breach the solar system, let alone Terra. They couldn't even take Macragge.

>>54542959
>all of the imperium bum rushes to terra to stop a single hive fleet
>rest of the galaxy left wide open to everyone, including the rest of the hive fleets
So even if the tyranids lose, the attack on terra would weaken the imperium so bad that I'm not sure they'd be able to recover before another major war

>>54546939
I wonder if Admech in this situation would use dead Tyranid biomass to create bioweapons of their own

>>54547418
>now guys, get this. They said don't use xeno tech, but did they say anything about using Xenos AS tech? Checkmate, inquisition

>>54545784
>A tendril of leviathan bulldozed through thof cryptus system shield worlds in 3 days,

The largest tendril that happened to include the majority of Hive Fleet because according to the Dante novel the Tyranids HATED the Blood Angels and focused on their destruction.

>and the Mepherit dynasty Necrons,

A single tomb world that wasn't fully awakened yet + Anrakyr's depleted forces. The tomb world was capable of defending itself if it was fully awakened but as it was just awakening it had no access to the whole legions stored inside.

>the warpstorm wiping out most of their fleet.

That's the Tyranids fault for not spotting the coming Warpstorm and zooming out before being swallowed.

>>54542217
It's in "Wraithflight"

>>54542361
Only small tendrils remain (they are being eaten by other hive fleets). Like all Hive Fleets that came before it, Leviathan was decimated and rendered as a minor threat.

>>54539408
Take a note from the Eldar attack on Terra from "Throneworld". He just needs the daemons to be a distraction while he sneaks his way to the big eternity gate thing. Once there he would unleash Drach'nyen and then its gg.

>>54538396
>Well Terra has a GSC infestation so I guess we'll see soonish.
lel

>>54548381
>That's the Tyranids fault for not spotting the coming Warpstorm and zooming out before being swallowed

This has got to be the most retarded thing I've seen in this thread, seriously get checked dude

>>54531503
Don't the defenses on Mars alone pack more firepower than multiple Ork Waaaghs?

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I feel confident.

>>54531601
Against ALL of leviathan?

Terra loses, its why kryptman diverted the fleet in the first place, because it was headed for terra and they couldn't stop it, its still going strong in Octarius, though the main bit got shattered by "warp plot"

>>54549705
>Hivemind have tons of psykers. The Hivemind exists within the Warp
>couldn't see the rolling mass of Chaos-Fuck you coming their way

>>54548381
>That's the Tyranids fault for not spotting the coming Warpstorm and zooming out before being swallowed.
Giant warpstorm rips the galaxy in half with insane speed

"Durr just run away"

>>54548381
>HATED the blood angles
>Tyrannids
>Hating something

Who writted this book again ?

>>54549779
That is a slut, sluts are not holy

>>54531503
A Fleet will nom it, a splinter fleet might be deflected.

>>54531503
Terra is the most militarized place in the galaxy, especially now that cadia is gone, there are tens of thousands of space marines their, possibly hundreds, their are billions of guardsmen in hundreds of thousands of ships, Terra has literally turned the moon into a giant more functional version of the death star and mars is practically a planet sized death star with even more ships. the only reason the beast and his orks got so far was because the imperium was still crippled from the horus heresy. bring on every single hive fleet at once and Terra would walk it off, the tyranids are not on the same scale of threat as chaos or even orks and necrons.
Greatest threats to Terra, in order:
>Itself
>Chaos, It split the galaxy in half and ripped it several more assholes
>Orks, even if they are not united, there are more orks than anything else in the galaxy
>Necrons, if the dynasties united
>Tyranids, if gene stealer had completly fucked over Terra
>Eldar race as a whole, if they went in through the emperors webway
>Tau, if the Terra was asleep at the time and thought it would be funny to let the entire tau empire in for a field exercise

>>54531503
Things have really gone to shit if a tyranid hive fleet is able to land on terra

So probably not very well

Now that Cadia's gone, what's the second best defended planet in the Imperium ?

>>54545784

>Behemoth wasn't even close to leviathan in size

Yeah, and the force defending Ultramar is barely even a fraction of the force defending the Sol system. Whats your point?

>>54553297
Armageddon might be a contender. Now hear me out on this, I know half of it is just Orks everywhere, but the Imperium REALLY doesn't want to lose the planet.
The other contender would probably be Macragge, what with being the homeworld of a living Primarch and having 500 worlds around it for defense.

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>>54552831
You greatly underestimate the Tyranids number and dangerosity.

Good, the Gods above like unprepared pray.

>>54553627

Those same orks are also a buffer against any invading forces as well as orks are more than likely to attack a new faction out of curiosity.

>>54553327
Again, you seem to be under the impression that the Ultramarines wrecked behemoth. They got absolutely mauled, and had effectively lost until the imperial navy showed up and he fleet got sucked into a warp explosion. Leviathan, which is way bigger than behemoth, is going to take a lot more than one system to defeat, no matter how well defended

How would Ultramar have done if they went up against the cryptus tendril of leviathan instead of behemoth?

>>54555365
>s going to take a lot more than one system to defeat, no matter how well defended

But they lost at one system. The Baal system.

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>>54556189
Baal is a shit example because the tyranids were winning overwhelmingly until the warp storm split the galaxy in 2.

And leviathan was stopped at Baal, just part of it. All the tendril shown on the map are either still there or being eaten by hydra

>>54556160
Badly, unless they also get bailed out by a massive warpstorm. Even then, Leviathan showed much greater tactical flexibility than behemoth and had greater numbers, the imperial navy might not have been nearly as successful

>>54550426
>its still going strong in Octarius

And you were doing so well.

>>54557952
Except current 8th fluff even states the nids and orks fought chaos to a standstill and chaos left, Orks and Nids resumed fighting.... so theyre still going

>>54556160
They would have lost, zero chance of survival unless some SERIOUS plot armour happened, Leviathan couldn't be beaten by conventional means according to Kryptman since there was just too many of them.

>>54533689
Beast Arises from BL has the Beast. The super Ork that invented the basics of what 40K Orks are today and a shitload of more things that Orks don't have anymore.

Also due to the WAAAGH!!! he generated, the Orks evolved so hard that they were becoming an actual civilization (including turning people into cattle that made the Iron Warriors disgusted and the aforementioned Ork Diplomats that hit the High Lords of Terra were it hurt the most).

And it was the Beast that resulted in the Deathwatch to be founded by the Imperial Fist Slaughter Koorland.

>>54531503
They need only one Force Commander, a 4-man squad of Tactical Marines, 3-man squads of Scouts, Assault Marines and Devastators (one of each), a Dreadnought and a Librarian to completely resolve the situation.

>>54558523
>Tyrannids lauch billions of bioships at Terra
>Terra fires drop pods into the fleet
We'll just swap bases.

>>54533599
calvinball?

So how do 'Nids get around then? I know they have tendrils, are these just billions upon billions of 'nids floating through space or are they routes they take or are they fleets. If so, how are these built, how do they deploy tyranids?

I literally know next to nothing about it.

>>5456030
Too salty to admit that Orks of all races parked right in the solar system and didn't immediately get hit by the supposed billions of guns they have everywhere

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>>54560300
You make up the rules as you go along.

>>54561960
The worst calvinball in that series was the sisters of silence being able to BTFO the Orks on an entire world, including all the beasts/primorks. That shit was GW backing themselves into a corner and needing some cheap way to resolve the plot. Kinda like every major tyranid defeat. I think Iyanden is the only example of a world actually fighting off the Nids alone and not needing some plot device to wipe out 90% of the Nids offscreen

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>>54560558
They have ships, anon. Big fucking, living ships. For interglactic and intersolar travel they manipulate gravity for ftl, but for more local travel that isn't as good so they have more conventional chemical propulsion as well.

>>54563468
>there are people ITT who think that terra could easily win against millions of those
Embarrassing

>Be Guilliman
>Order Custodes to go fight in the indomitus crusade
>Terra gets shrekt by xenos scum

More like InDUMBitus Crusade.

>>54563760
Holy Terra is literally made of plot armor

>no mention of forgefane
Reminder that an iron warriors fortress world as well defended as perturabos got blown out by a splinter of Leviathan in a week. Nids are gonna do to terra what they did to forgefane and simply dig beneath the fortifications. Terra gets rekt

It wouldn't make it past Mars

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>>54564086
Why would they have any issue getting past mars? It's not like they have to invade from the rim of the solar system and go through each planet one at a time. That's the scary thing about then Nids, they're attacking everywhere at once

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>>54563936
You fool, you can't dig beneath Terra's fortifications! It's fortifications all the way down!

>>54565329
Too bad there are enough tyranids to attack every level all the way down

>>54531503
Mars is down the block so pretty well

Iirc, shadow in the warp actually blocks out most long ranged targeting systems as well as communication systems. Those orbital defenses aren't going to do as good as everyone here thinks.

Terra, like most key worlds, has a fuckload of shield worlds to prevent any major threat from even getting close. If the entirety of hive fleet leviathan is already in the sol system, something had gone terribly wrong. Terra's Fortifications are literally the last line of defense, not where the main battle is supposed to be happening

>>54550444

>hivemind is explicitly a non-warp entitiy since it has no soul
>existing in the warp

wew

>>54568190
Nope.

People can see it in the Warp and gods have interacted with it.

>>54544389
yeah but warp travellers have occasionally got to their destinations before their ships even chronologically left, not totally impossible some warp shit

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>>54532448
>the Emperor is there.
You're damn right his is.

>>54568228
Not with the Hive mind directly anon, but with the psychic shadow it launch on the warp, so overwhelming it is mere precense.

>>54569386
No, with directly. Stop making stuff up.

The Hivemind was touched with the Golden Light of Terra. And guess what? It got burned by it and it screamed. The Tyranid synaptic creature in the story died as the Hivemind pulled away.

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>>54569386
>>54550444
The hivemind is not a singular entity controlling the Tyranids like the Zerg's Overmind does, but a true hivemind. That's it, its the collective desires and needs of the Tyranid race, and resonates with every Tyranid.

The Shadow in the Warp is the result of not only having trillions upon trillions of Tyranids, each with their own soul as living beings, but also the echoes of the quintillions of Tyranids that are in other places in the universe.

>>54569465
>The Hivemind was touched
But this is not a single entity anon, your not making any sense, it's not the fucking Queen of Blades or some shitty thing like that, it's litteraly a hivemind in the proper sense of the theme, the collective psychic phenomena caused by each Tyranids in the universe resonating with each other. It don't feel anything but hunger.

>>54544389
The battlefleet had been rallied and was actually later than expected. Having planned to part of the fortification process of the Macragge system.

There has already been some Genestealer cults on Terra. The Inquisitor stamped down most of them, but they are not sure whether they have left some to run away.

>>54570113
The fact that there can be stealers running around the most bullshit rock in the imperium of man is sillier and more stupid than the bullshit rock itself

>>54569557
Dude, stop throwing headcanon at me. We have seen the Hivemind feel hate, pain, and anger in the fluff. We have seen it get hurt. We have seen it flee.

>>54570426
No we haven't. Its whole thing is that it only feels hunger.

>>54570508
"Valedor"
"Shadow of Leviathan"
"Wraithflight"

And many many more. Want me to copypasta the text for you?

>>54570529
>Guy Haley
Found your problem.

>>54570600
Guess what? Guy Haley is one in charge of expanding Tyranids lore. He is your god now.

>>54570641
>Giving the guy who can't into Tyranids and seems to have a hateboner for them the charge of Tyranids lore.
You say it like if any Tyranidsfag was expecting something positive from GW. At least we got a good crunch; but it was obvious since the Fall of cadia that Age of RobotLyman would be a powerwanking fest between Chaos and the SPIRITUAL LIEGE.

We are in the same tiers than the fucking Tau when it come from the Lore now; look at the asspul they used to wipe Leviathan.

>>54563468
Wow. I knew Hive Ships are big. But never knew that this is their real size.

>>54572255
Of course it varies. There are ships that big in canon (one or two instances of swallowed a moon whole iirc) but most are comparable to imperial ships. And it makes sense, since making a fuckhueg bioship would take ungodly amounts of biomass.

>>54572420
Phew. That's a good thing you said.

Where the hell is my BFG Tyranid DLC Tidalos Studios?

>>54539173
You know that git's got a Warrant of Trade.

>>54543634
>Hive Fleet wraps around Terra
>Astronomican can't get out, builds up and up in intensity
>Emprah sets space-fire to the entire Hive Fleet through pressure cooking them under their own weight
>Tyranidfags on suicide watch

>>54572455
Tyranids never, bfghas been abandoned, just like the real bfg before it.

>>54572255
>>54572420
>>54572455

Using BFG as an example, the Tyranids didn't have any fuckhueg ships bigger than anything anyone else could run. I don't think the picture >>54563468
here is canon.

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>>54572532
This is not a good pain.

Ok... besides the inhabitants there would be nothing on Earth for the bugs to consume. The place is a toxic shithole. Remember that even the inhabitants got a healthy shade of grey because the place is that polluted.

>>54572565
This has never stopped tyranids from attacking forgeworlds and hive worlds before

Bugspray, OP.
Does anyone ever thought of bugspray?

>>54572541

They are that big, it's actually fucked how big they are. They have to be that big to enable a stable tether between the ship and the bio-pools.

>>54572541
Ehm... Yes they did. 'Nid hiveships went up to 16 hull, thats 4 more then other factions battleships and also the differance between a normal cruiser (8) and a battleship (12).

Which very much implies they are, infact, bigger. Alot bigger.

>>54572420
It was an asteroid, stoopid.

>>54572779
I'm aware of the asteroid being swallowed but there was an imperial fop who hid on a moonbase and the whole moon was nommed.

>>54572541
There was a story where a nid ship swallowed an asteroid whole, so yeah they can get pretty big, heck even in art they are almost always pictured as being larger than most imperium stuff, im sure craftworlds are bigger but that's probably about it, and Necron Dyson spheres (if theyre even still canon)

>>54572675
Yes. It works one time and then they synthesize it and send it right back. Any time people use a bioweapon, poison or virus against the tyranids they can only do it one time before they need to develope a new one

>>54572891
I think it was a chaos warband actually, chaosfags on suicide watch

>>54532396
Why is Bobby G a woman suddenly?

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Worst thing about facing the tyranids is that they can replace their losses way faster than anyone else, not just in troops but in everything. An imperial knight gets ripped apart by. Trygon and that's a massive loss of a millennia old relic that will not be operational for a while, of at all.
Tyranids lose a biotitan, they just shit out 3 more by the end of the next day. Nids are a logistical nightmare to face, and fighting them is largely irrelevant if you do nothing to stop their feeding and reproduction

>>54579240
The Tau defeated a Tyranid attack tendril by realizing that the large synapse creatures were much harder for the swarm to replace than the little shits like gaunts. So they focused fire on the larger creatures and eventually wore them down and beat them back. At extreme losses, but still had enough force to defeat the Imperium assault that hoped to take advantage of the weakened Tau right after the swarm was pushed back.

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>>54550444
You seriously can't be this retarded

>>54542124
>No longer a threat
Pic related, Splinter fleets Are a huge threat. Had the main fleet continued they would have been unstoppable, now they're something that forces actually have a chance against

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>>54531503

I honestly think that the only thing that could genuinely stop Tyranids, or at least dissuade them from further attacking, is some deus ex machina shitty plot device like in Independence Day when they blow up the brain ship controlling all the little ones.

Lots of people have said that it'll be the Orcs who eventually come out on top, but the size and sheer number of Tyranids is fucking insane.

GW seems to be in the process of moving the plot forward somewhat, which is nice, but I hate to think how they'll fix the issue of Tyranids. Not even the Emperor being resurrected could fix that shit. GW really wrote themselves into a deadend with that - unless that's the point; Tyranids rock up and fuck everyone. The end.

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>>54580980
>which is nice


Dumbass, 40k is a setting. It is not a plot. It should never be "moved forward".

>>54581085

Tell that to Games Workshop, fuckboy. It wasn't my idea.

>>54579454
>Tau
Plot armor the race you mean.

>>54579476
>Splinter fleets Are a huge threat.

No, they are not. The Tau for example are said to have slapped down multiple splinter fleets and that they pose to hindrance to their ascendancy.

>>54581424
I mean you can just ignore the fluff I posted and you responded to, it's tg after all and Fags are gonna headcanon anyways

Also
>tau destroyed splinter fleets so they aren't a threat lol
>using plot armor the faction as an example for anything
The Tau crushed an imperial crusade before it even got past one world, one that included first founding chapters. Is the imperium not a threat because Tau wrecked them? Tau also destroyed ork WAAAGHs, does that mean those aren't threats either?

>>54582621
I'll focus on actual events rather than flowery text. The Tau have a long record of annihilating splinter fleets which includes an instance where Shadowsun led an attack on a splinter fleet which resulted in the Tyranids being wiped out without the Tau taking a single causality. As we all know, the Tau are a small empire without access to the infinite resources of the Imperium or the supreme tech of the Necrons and Eldar.

As for the threat levels, the Damocles release highlighted what the Tau consider the greatest threat to their Imperium. It's not the Tyranids. It's the Imperium of Man.

>>54580980
GW will move the plot forward, but never to the point where chaos, Orks, Necrons or tyranids ever realize their endgames. If they ever move it up that far, well, look no further than warhammer fantasy.

>>54572565
There'd still be plenty for them to nom. They take a planets atmosphere, oceans and jineral wealth as well.

WD had an analysis of the consumption of an earth sized world and it mentioned the hivefleet taking enough stuff to reduce its diameter 4%.

>>54581085
>It should never be "moved forward".
I disagree. I like seeing new things happen.

>>54582652
A small hive fleet, gorgon, destroyed dozens of Tau worlds and were winning every major war up until the imperials happened to show up and agree on a ceasefire. The capital world of the farsight enclaves was completely devoured by a splinter fleet and the Tau had absolutely no way to beat it militarily, so they had to resort a bioweapon, one that won't work again.

If you don't think an entire planet being destroyed because it's far from the defenses set up for the tyranids and they went way past it, you're out of your mind. And if the Tau had to face a serious hive fleet, like the cryptus tendril, they'd be fucked. Maybe not completely destroyed, but wrecked beyond reasonable recovery.

>>54532396
>>54535461
>>54578414
He's Booby G now

>>54582652
>As for the threat levels, the Damocles release highlighted what the Tau consider the greatest threat to their Imperium. It's not the Tyranids. It's the Imperium of Man
>implying the Tau know shit or have any perspective on the galaxy

The Tau killed the Raven Guard chapter master and thought they killed the "King of all space marines." They killed a daemon prince and thought they killed slaanesh. They aren't stupid, they they are incredibly naive when it comes to the actual state of affairs of the galaxy

>>54583760
agreed, the tau just don't have the resources to beat a full fledged hive fleet, behemoth took all of ultramar and then some and look how much of a victory that was, and How big is the Tau empire? like what half the size? equal too?. Not to mention the average T'au world is about 1% of the population of the average imperial world (hive cities do that).

>>54584013
>Not to mention the average T'au world is about 1% of the population of the average imperial world (hive cities do that).

I don't think so. The Tau conquered hiveworlds. They weren't impressed.

And we have lore about Tau cities containing billions of dudes living in them.

>>54583862
Historically, they would know what caused them is causing them the most grief.

>>54583760
The Damocles Crusade did more damage to the Tau Empire than Gorgon. It threw them across the gulf and then pursued them to the other side. This ended the Second Sphere Expansion and heralded the Age of Doubt and other nasty events in the Tau Empire.

Then you have the Damocles Crusade round 2 which was better than the first. It ended with the death of their beloved leader, the fire bombing of Agrellan, and setting the Damocles Gulf ablaze creating a firewall that trapped that split the Tau Empire from its Third Sphere colonies. This brought the Third Sphere to a horrific end.

>Farsight

That guy and a group of 80 suits did an hit and run operation against a tendril of Kraken rolling nearby the gulf. Devastating the Tyranids whenever they probed into Tau space. That's equivalent of 80 marines vs billions of attack organisms.

As to why a splinter fleet managed to gain success in Enclaves can be attributed to the fact it was being led by the Swarmlord. As we know, the Swarmlord is a stress induced response by the Hivemind whenever it meets a foe that conventional Tyranids tactics of adaptation and swarming cannot overcome.

>cryptus tendril

Probably but we are talking about splinters which are a group of 6 to 12 bioships and their escorts.

>>54579454
That was a particular tactic against a particular hive fleet making excessive use of gaunts and other lesser creature tough, wouldn't have work against Leviathan for example

>>54585330
That hive fleet was the most adaptive fleet that ever encountered. No other fleet, not even Leviathan, was its much in that department.

So the Tau will out-adapt any other fleet. They wouldn't develop immunities and countermeasures for Tau tactica and tech fast enough to catch up with the Tau.

>>54585371
>The most adaptive
No, the quickest to adapt it's own troops, this hive fleet failed to realise it's excessive use of light troop reduced it's ressource too much and didn't allow her to create enough synapse creature to assure a proper control of the lesser organism. The Tau where intelligent enough to realise this and strike quickly before the HF could develop a new tactic.

Thing is, it will not work a second time. Now the tyranids know exactly why they failed and how, and they will adapt their strategy for their next attack.

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>>54585429
>Despite its relatively small size, Hive Fleet Gorgon posed a dire threat to the unsuspecting Tau. Gorgon still possessed ships enough to overwhelm the Tau space fleets patrolling the borders of their territory, and could unleash untold waves of warrior-organisms to overrun a planet. It was not because of its numbers, though, that Hive Fleet Gorgon would prove so dangerous. More so than any hive fleet encountered before or since, Gorgon possessed an ability to rapidly adapt to new circumstances on a biological level, emerging from every lost battle with a new clutch of organisms perfectly suited to overcome the foes that had defeated their predecessors. It would come to define the very nature of the war against the Tau: adapt or die.

Same difference. And notice that it says that no other fleet is its match since and before. For the Hivemind to learn from Gorgon and assimilate its uniqueness, it must devour the remnants of Gorgon.

>and they will adapt their strategy for their next attack.

No, they will not. Because they don't have the same ability or knowledge that Gorgon had.

>>54585490
>He didn't read the entire story
They are a quite nice story about this, on how after it's defeat tyranids ships fleed, and the Tau pursued it, thinking they where running to their kin to transmit their information.

It was actually a trap and the few Tau ship hunting the fleing tyranids where slaugthered. With a nice precision on how it was useless anyway since the Hive mind already knew everything it needed

>No, they will not. Because they don't have the same ability or knowledge that Gorgon had.

Gorgon failed, because gorgon made mistake, it's constant adaptation drained too much biomass, it was a error and one the Tyranids will not make anymore. As simple as that.

>>54585517
>It was actually a trap and the few Tau ship hunting the fleing tyranids where slaugthered. With a nice precision on how it was useless anyway since the Hive mind already knew everything it needed

Don't make things up. The story ends with the Tau pursuing the surviving Tyranids. There is no mention of a trap in either the 5th ED codex or 6th ED.

As for transmitting information via the hivemind? Retconned. The Eldar in Valedor it's said if the splinter of Kraken and Leviathan combined, the resulting mix would be deadly as they pool their knowledge and genetics.

There is also the issue of Shadowbrink which featured Leviathan. The Hivemind running that tendril did not recognize the daemons despite Leviathan encountering several daemonic incursion, and did not have preexisting tactics to deal with them. Not to mention other encounters with daemons in the past as the previous hive fleet marched across the galaxy. This proves without the doubt that information cannot be transmitted via the hivemind. It's stored in the DNA of fleets.

>it was a error and one the Tyranids will not make anymore. As simple as that.

Nagative. No Hive fleet in the galaxy possess Gorgon's abilities. The Tyranids numbers weren't the issue, the Tau are versed in combating the hordes of Orks and Imperials. It was Gorgon's ability to render weapon tech less effective to useless in a short period of time.

>>54585596
>No Hive fleet in the galaxy possess Gorgon's abilities

Anon do you not know how the hivemind works

>>54585817
Hive Fleets are not carbon copies of each other or else them uniting wouldn't be a threat.

>>54558457
>including turning people into cattle that made the Iron Warriors disgusted
But why?

They have Squigs. Seems like it would be easier to get one of them to fatten up instead.

>>54586053
It was mostly an act of revenge/spite against the race that humiliated and broke them. The Orks wanted mankind to bow before them and suffer.

>>54586101
So how did the Iron Warriors react? Were they just disgusted, or did they get angry enough to save them because of a flicker of humanity remained?

>>54532449
5 tiny ships slipped by the entire sol Defense system and were only shot down with the combined might of Mars, Luna, Terra and the Sol Defense system when they had to slow down to land.

The story is suppose to scare Imperial citizens because they could have easily just flown past and dropped a doomsday weapon and the Imperial fleet would have been powerless to stop it.
It's also suppose to be strange why they ignored Terra completely (actually passing through its orbit0 and made a B-line to Mars.

>>54586199
They blew up the whole place, IIRC. There were no saving the humans. They were too far gone.

>tyraniggers will never be relevant
>power level autists will suffer eternaly
feels great literally the coldsteel faction of 40k

>>54585846
Anon that's because if two hive fleet they will fight to evalue their mutual level of efficacity, then one of them will eat the other and accquire the DNA of this hive fleet in their own breeder. But the information, the very knowledge is already known, that's how the Hive Mind work.

>>54585596
>There is no mention of a trap in either the 5th ED codex or 6th ED

There is, the Tyranids codex mention how the Tau made a error by doing this and that's the Hive mind already had the information it "wanted".

>tyranids effectively win every one of their major battles
>have to be taken out by dues ex machina every single time
>this is supposed to make tyranid players feel bad

How many times has a major hive fleet actually defeated through means other than a bullshit plot device? Ichar IV is the only good example I can think of

>behemoth, imperial navy shows up, warp detonation wiped out whole fleet
>Kraken, Iyanden- Yriel and his corsair fleet show up
>valedor- blew the planet up
>cryptus- Necrons blew up gas giant, still didn't stop fleet
>Baal- won, had to be wiped out by 3 bullshit plot devices
>gorgon- imperials showed up a century late and agree on a ceasefire
>Octarius- Ghaz himself and Khornes MVPs couldn't dislodge them from the world

>>54588496
>gorgon- imperials showed up a century late and agree on a ceasefire

How do you get the nids to agree to a ceasefire?

>>54584013
Ultramar is going to join the Tau Empire, because the Tau Empire is everything BobbyG dreams of in an empire.

>>54589669
You ask them nicely, duh


But what I meant was the imperials and Tau agreed on a ceasefire and allied to beat the tyranids

>>54573341
Nah. It was actually a Void Whale.

>>54586357
Actually for once the Iron Warriors behaved normally and just mercy-killed all the people.

>>54558457


what do you mean by cattle?

Sol has
>Mars
>Moon battlestation
>multiple chapters worth of marines if just for pilgrimage and training+10k custodes
>every doomsday weapon that fills the cavity of Mars
>A full 1/4th of the entire Imperial fleet on duty permanently
>Emperor
>ready access to call back literally everyone everywhere for defense and the emperor of mankind to make sure it happens even through the shadow
I'm sorry, but nids don't win this one unless they completely mutate away from everything they have now into something completely different. They cause some major fucking damage, and the secondary effects of recalling nearly every fighting force in the galaxy, and many non-fighting forces just to have bodies, will be absolutely massive but still, Imperium takes this fight.

I'd like to think that while the astronomicon is attracting the Tyranids to Terra which is causing huge amounts of problems its also a massive bug zapper and it drawing the Tyranids into the Solar system might cause their minds to be fried by its power once they get too close.

>>54581085

Fucking kill yourself.

>>54542959
I actually agree with this guy

>>54563468
This isn't close to what's considered canon...

>>54586306
Why is it strange?
Their god is in the damn planet.

>>54540655
>Just because it's mostly city doesn't mean tyranids won't go through the effort
It's a hundred billion meals. Of course they're going through the effort.

>>54599216
Their slave you mean. C'tan shards are the Necron's slaves/

>>54586306
To be fair this was oldcron fluff when this initially took place. Oldcron ships had inertialess drives that allowed for near instantaneous travel, no Dolmon Gate bs.

They effectively teleported into low orbit of Mars. It wasn't like they fought their way there.

>>54553668
>Those same orks are also a buffer against any invading forces
"Fuck off, this is our awesome war planet"
Checks out.
>as well as orks are more than likely to attack a new faction out of curiosity.
Well, curiosity about what they can loot. And then fuck the guard with.

>>54600750
It's in the Newcron fluff too. Newcron ships can move from stillness to near-light speed in a second.

>>54583833
well done

Im assuming that a real threat to terra would have the entire imperium scrambling to its defense. Apart from plot-visions for the Eldar, would any xenos be willing to fight to the death for Terra?

The imperium cant be the only one the appreciates having a north star for warp travel and a hive fleet destroying the last reluctant sheriff might have real implications for everyone.

Would any traitor legions come to their aid, even those that are properly devoted to chaos?

>>54572565
Tyranids eat everything. Not just meat. EVERYTHING.
Rocks and metal are recycled into chitin flecks. Toxic gas and sludge are recycled into fuck you guns and saliva that shoot toxic shit.

Virus bombing tyranids only guarantees you'll eventually be hit by the same shit when they recover. And it is "when", not "if".

who generally wins in a fight in the fluff, one space marine or one necron warrior

also do newcrons still get repaired in the tomb world when they die?

>>54572541
There was an entire game based on the concept of jumping into a hive ship and just fucking shit up before all the onboard tyranids got you.

I honestly wish Nids would be the ultimate game over state for everyone in the galaxy. It pretty much is for any imperial and xenos race, but why not expand it that the Shadow of the Warp is an absolute anathema for Chaos, simply blanking it out as a whole. Like, demons that die while in the SotW will just cease to exist instead of fucking off back into the warp.

Just have some stakes for Chaos for once.

>>54600964
Except that it's stated numerous times that if the galaxy is devoured by the Tyranids, then Necrons and non-organic lifeforms (like the C'tan and crystal-based creatures like the Dracolith) would still be around in the galaxy.

Also in the short story "Words of the Silent King", it's said that Necrons are not fodder for the Tyranids. Tyranids will avoid the Necrons unless provoked or attacked. This makes it diffucult for the Necrons to draw the Tyranids into battle forcing the Necron to use the living as bait.

If they ate everything, then the above fluff wouldn't be.

>>54531752
The "current time" spans about a century or more after Guilliman woke up.

Even with the Warp Rift fucking up half the universe, I'd say that humanity would have a good chance against the Tyranids. Either they'd have to wage a costly war of attrition the like of Napoleon's march through Russia just to get to Terra, or they'd bum-rush straight to it and have the entirety of the Imperial navy encircling the fleet.

>>54601370
I'm just recalling some tyranid fluff. I never much got into necrons, so I don't refute what you're saying. It's possible that metal and minerals take too much effort to recycle into biomass? Or maybe Necrons just teleport their dead out and don't end up being eaten, so the tyranids don't bother wasting the effort and go around?

Having said that, no one at GW seems to know what the hell a hive mind actually is anymore, they let crud put in the queen of blades super special oc tyrant who somehow is a synapse creature and also unique from the hivemind, and there's that whole tyranids feel fear and anger and revenge as motivations thing haley is doing, so fuck it, I guess.

>>54601637
Don't worry. Guy Haley made it clear that he wants to expand on the Hivemind lore and give it character beyond being just hungry. His writing of the Tyranids actually makes them interesting.

>>54601666
>npc bug race
>trying to make them interesting instead of just a horde of mooks
Yeah okay GW.

>>54601666
Listen Satan, the whole point of the hivemind is that it DOESN'T have character.

That's the appeal. That's the draw. That's why you would play tyranids instead of "emperor robot personality 3" or "spiritual liege" or "evilevilevil". Because you want to play the race that's ten billion bugs just telepathically screaming at each other "I eat this, you eat that".

Haley wants to make them newcrons 2.0: this time there's more special OC swarmlords. And that's such an amazing example of missing the point that there isn't an analogy for it. It IS the analogy.

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>>54601666
>give it character beyond being just hungry
So he wants the totally unrelatable alien mind, who's only emotion humans are capable of understanding, "hunger", to be more human and more relatable and more self-insert-able?

I remember when Crud tried that.

>>54601892
Dude, I ain't gonna throw money on a book featuring faceless mooks. I want the hivemind to have an interaction with the characters of the setting other than "SKREEEE". For the example, how the Hivemind went personal and psychically threatened Iyanna with eternal enslavement and torture. That is fun. That is something I want to read about.

He is not making them Newcrons. He is making something other than simply generic locust-bugs.

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>>54601953
Dude, I HAVE thrown money at the tyranids BECAUSE they're faceless mooks.

When I want my dudes to threaten, enslave and torture someone, guess what? I have three OTHER books to go to. I can use demons, dark eldar, or garden variety chaos.

>That is fun
Yes. For you. For you to be able to self-insert and relate to and enjoy and want to read about. Cool. I don't. That edgy bullshit chaos and dark eldar rapemurdertorture shit bores me to tears.

>He is not making them Newcrons. He is making something other than simply generic locust-bugs.
Newcrons were a faceless swarm of unstoppable killing machines who suddenly got a dozen wacky HUMAN personalities to choose from. Haley wants to give the hivemind human emotions. Yeah, totally not newcrons.

Can't wait for his newer, cooler, edgier torture and enslavement hive tyrant character people like you want to show up.

>>54602005
Stop taking the bait dumbass.

>>54602014
I actually just wanted an excuse to vent and to post that picture.

>>54532861
In case you havent noticed emps can do literally anything.

>>54602014
Not bait. I am being genuine. Pure marine novels bore me but you know what bore me to the point of tears? Novels about Tyranids written by anyone other than Guy Haley. Previously, whenever I am forced to read a novel featuring the Tyranids, I am forced to resist the urge to smash my head into the wall repeatedly.

>>54602005
Again, He isn't going full Newcron. He expanding the range of emotions that the hivemind can feel. Animals can feel hate, anger, and certainly pain. We know that the hivemind is more complex than an animal's mind so it should be capable of much more than HUNGER. It makes the Hivemind infinitely more sinister if it can hold a grudge. And I don't want to self insert as the hivemind. I want to self insert as the characters butting heads with it. Big difference. The Hivemind as it was before was a boring enemy compared to Chaos and the Necrons.

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>>54563468
It's worth noting that the codex descriptions of a Tyranid planetary invasion (that isn't stopped) ends with the hive fleet stripping several percent of an typical planet's mass in a matter of days/weeks, including all the soil and water and most of the core's heat. Presumably that's grown into new hiveships and fuel for the journey to the next target system.

For comparison, the Moon is 1.2% of the Earth's mass. This is what a hive fleet gets off a single planet. A Hive Fleet is a LOT of ships, very hungry and growing very fast, even if they're not this big, a fleet in system/orbit is going to have it's own gravity messing with tides/tectonics and screwing up other planetary bodies.

In the fluff a hive fleet is only ever "beaten" in naval actions. Ground forces only serve to defend core infrastructure/population centres until the imperial navy saves the day.

>>54602005
the inttroduction of official genestealer cults has all but guaranteed tyranids won't be newcron'd, thank god.

>>54602100
>We know that the hivemind is more complex than an animal's mind so it should be capable of much more than HUNGER
Make no mistake. The hivemind is so weird that the only emotion psychic masters can understand before being shut out of the warp is hunger.

>>54602100
>He isn't going full Newcron
But he IS going fairly newcron?

>>54602100
>I want to self insert as the characters butting heads with it
I wonder what army you could possibly play

>>54602160
Making a Necron army and probably grabbing some Alaitoc Aledari. Why do you ask?

>>54602118
hive fleet gets more than that.
An analysis of an earthsized world mentioned reducing the diameter 4%,.which would correspond to roughly 10% of its mass. about as much material as all of Mars.

If the solar system is so powerful, why do they even bother wasting troops on the shield worlds around it? If something like the entirety of hive fleet leviathan would crumple before their defense, I don't see what else could possibly bring them down

>>54531785
>death for countless thousands of worlds and ships

The Inquisition exterminatus more than that in an average day.

>>54603342
No they really dont.
Exterminatus is a desperate last resort.
Inquisitor kryptmann got declared excemunicate traitoris because he exterminatused to many planets trying to stop hivefleet leviathan.