Bronze age art thread

>>54511253
>Linothorax
>Hoplite
>Phrygian helmet on the ground
That aint bronze age nigga

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>>54512581
same for those two also

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>>54512616
I guessed OP just meant an antiquity thread.

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>>54512660
Same.

>>54512616
It was the closest thing I had anon believe it or not most people are aware a mag and a clip are different but sometimes they just don't care

Assuming that the elvish leadersgip lived during that era, what should be their behaivour and culture?

>>54512864
>believe it or not most people are aware a mag and a clip are different but sometimes they just don't care
Orders of magnitude worse than ignorance. Kill yourself, you lazy cunt.

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>>54511253
Dispelling myths: good bronze (copper+tin) surpasses iron and it's easier to work with. The best bronze alloys can penetrate some steels: https://youtu.be/Uz_CBcxzOFk . A fictional world may have much more deposits of tin, and closer to deposits of copper, than real life. So a mythic Greece may have reason to disdain iron as barbarian and inferior, while bronze is the true greek, superior metal. Bronze breastplates may be cheaper, bronze full plate may be used by more people than the single rightmost hoplite in the front row of the phalanx, as pic shows. This and more at:

https://pastebin.com/DtKQ6iQt
>Greek Fantasy Tips and Resources

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This deserves at least one bump.

>>54512838
That shield is fucking huge.

>>54512617
Is this based on an actual temple?

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>>54518938
I'm not certain since I'm no history buff, but if I were to guess I'd say yeah. Here's a similar image. It's all very historical looking.

>>54518938
Temple of Zeus at Olympia.

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I'd honestly be posting more but I don't know how to differentiate between late bronze and early iron and I'd sooner not flood the thread with badwrong art.

>>54512616
>it: it is the year 1000 ad
Ooga booga rocks of the coast

Does Bronze Age or Greek character art even exist? I want to play a Hoplite in my Pathfinder campaign but the art just isn't there.

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>>54512617
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>>54519088
They're all interpretations of the Great Statue of Zeus at Olympia. I say interpretations because neither the temple nor the statue survived. We can only guess what it looked like based on excavation and literary references.

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>>54519199
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Age-of-Bronze

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/

>>54513214
okay autist

>>54521307
>with an ass' jaw I've made asses of them
>with an ass' jaw I've killed one thousand men
Fucking baller.

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>>54512821
>My spear and magic helmet!

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Semi-related bump.

Not /tg/, but reminder that they're making a remastered version of Age of Empires. As my first video game, I'm pretty hyped.

Enjoying the thread friends.

Where did infantry-based armies of these times encounter horse archers and how did they deal with them?

>>54523257
I've asked /k/ how anyone countered horse archers and the only answer I got (repeatedly) was "guns."

/k/ has threads about ancient warfare so I guess they didn't know either.

>>54523257
The only people fielding horse archers as opposed to chariots were the steppe peoples, and they fought the Chinese who either lost to them or just overwhelmed them with sheer numbers of infantry.

>>54523339
When the Romans weren't being dumb they countered horse archers with fortifications. You just hide your soldiers behind a palisade and force the horsemen to go around you or just flee the field. The one thing cavalry-based armies like this are notoriously bad at is siege warfare. The mongols were so bad they just started forcing the Chinese do it for them whenever they came to a settlement.

>>54523339
/k/ only has one answer, and it is not going to help someone who do not have a handy supply of Sulfur, Potassium nitrate, and charcoal,,,

>>54512608
Bronze Age, not modern politicians.

>>54519134
>leather armlets
this triggers me

>>54523257
India apparently successfully held back horsefuckers for centuries by using massed archer-infantry. Turns out cavalry meant for quick (ie; unarmored) movement isn't very arrow-resistant themselves.

>>54522751
>>54522759
What game do these come from?

>>54527630
That was always my experience in Medieval 2.

Camel archers would repeatedly run around in their circle formation shooting arrows at the walls of Jerusalem before being crushed by a mangonel or slowly peppered to death by arrows and bolts

But its not like CA makes bad AI or anything

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>>54528775
Google points here: http://www.warlordgames.com/tag/angus-mcbride/

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>>54511253
I gotchu

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>>54529720

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>>54529735

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>>54529756

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>>54529771

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>>54529791

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>>54529896

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>>54529909

>>54528775
Guide to Glorantha for Runequest/Heroquest

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>>54529926

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>>54529972

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>>54529987

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>>54530000
>checked

>>54521663
Underrated post

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>>54530018

>>54512421
>The Colossus has been completed in a far away land.
>*sad trumpet noise*

Fucking Huang.

Post pics of OPs mom.

>>54511253
>"bronze" age
Oh great it's one of those faggots. There is no such thing and never was.

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>>54530025

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>>54530051
Nah, just fuckin around. Think this is the closest I have though.

>>54523482
Fuck I didn't know the Roman Legions were actually led by total war ai

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>>54530059

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>>54530110
Last I got

>>54530055
Please elaborate?

>>54529771
Am I seeing this? Did that motherfucker have the tip of his dick posthumously capped with gold?

>>54530142
Yep. Afterlife bitches dig gold

>>54530129
"bronze".
THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING YOU MONG
HOW CAN I ELABORATE MORE THAN THAT??

>>54514668
In addition Brass is fairly easy to produce. The limiting factor for ancient civilizations was the difficulty in acquiring zinc as the largest deposits tended to be outside of most copper trade routes.

>>54530464
How is this even considered trolling? It's just really bad "pretending to be a retard"

>>54530464
"iron".
THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING YOU MONG
HOW CAN I ELABORATE MORE THAN THAT??

>>54511253
That shield is smiling

>>54523257
Spear throwers?

>>54521307
>>54521582
That's just a translation error. Pretty sure "Ass Jaw" is a name of a minigun.

>>54530099
The Romans were fun that way, and on occasion would be thrown into an autistic shit-fit whenever an opponent managed to actually outmatch them.

>>54521307
Fuck, that's an amazing page design. Sauce?

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>>54534888
The Legacy of Luther Strode

>>54526133
Roman clothing fashion was pretty boring for a people so steeped in culinary, artistic and sexual decadence.

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>>54530632
Minoan women's fashion was the best thing ever.

I still have this fetish.

>>54529771
I'v seen this picture around but couldn't find a source, I think it is a 'fabricated' museum diorama.

>>54530110
How the fuck did he have time to pick up and shot-put a huge fucking rock one handed?

>>54535605
Poster here, I think it was a joke placed by the curators who took the picture. Still makes for a funny image

>>54535720
Git fit and you will be able to as well

>>54535041
Thanks

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Bump

>>54530464
wat? Does brass, copper, tin, etc.. not exist either?

HOLY SHIT! IS ALUMINUM NOT ACTUALLY A THING?!?!?

My life is built on lies.

>>54535720
Motherfuckers killing each other with big rocks is all over the place in the Iliad.

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>>54540517
I can dig it.

>>54535422
All that shit came later in imperial history, anon. They were hardly "steeped" in it.

>>54522776
Oh fuck yea...
>Windows 10 exclusive
And dropped

>implying the minoans aren't who the ancient world refereed to as Atlantians
>implying minoans didn't circumnavigate the globe during the bronze age

Ok I'm not sure circumnavigate is 100% true, but Bronze age man is insanely more badass than most scholars want to admit.

>>54514668
This info has got me thinking, can you layer the different metals in bronze weapons, and fold them repeatedly, to make something that is both flexible, but still sturdy, as well as nice and sharp?

Or is bronze just too different from iron and steel?

If you can do it, then what metals/alloys should you fold the copper with, and how many times should you fold it?

>>54533877
No, you idiot. "Ass" is another name for a donkey. So "Ass Jaw" means he literally made a weapon out of the jaw bone of an ass, aka donkey.

>>54542062
Do you "fold" bronze?

I'm under the impression it is much less flexible, so you cast it the shape you want then just hammer it out a bit to be exact.

>>54542409
No, bronze was never traditionally folded, it was solid cast. But I'm wondering if the reason why isn't because it can't be done, but because people at that time were not familiar with the concept.

>>54527630
This is accurate, the Byzantine guide to war said much the same thing about fighting mounted archers.

>>54511253
>>54512076
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>>54512581
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>>54530702

Neither Bronze-Age nor Bronze-Age inspired.

>>54542981
I sort of figured as much, though I can't help but notice you didn't post any art. Either way this is why I typically avoid threads with too specific a request in regards to timeline or region. They tend to be rife with pedantry. Better off just saying Antiquity or something similarly broad.

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>>54543134
>though I can't help but notice you didn't post any art.

Fair enough

>>54543134
>This is why I typically avoid threads with too specific a request in regards to timeline or region.
Then why did you come here and post unrelated art?

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>>54543134
...also, I could amend my post to say that while the Mesopotamian images (Hanging Gardens, Ishtar gate, etc.) I commented upon are from the Iron Age, they do demonstrate architectural styles which are very similar to those developed a millennia earlier. So yeah, those could be considered "Bronze-Age inspired."

>>54543271
>The Iron age is bronze age inspired, thus related
>The Roman Period is Iron age inspired, thus related to the bronze age and is relevant
>The Anglo-Saxon Period is inspired by the Roman Period which is Iron age inspired, thus relevant to the Bronze age
>etc
Okay but anon that's still off track.

>>54542981
Much Autism, m8? Most of those are either early iron age, which blended a lot into late bronze, or from cultures that didn't change in the crossover.

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>>54542450
Folding isn't done to combine the best of two materials, or to create fine layer within a billet. Instead it's done to close up porosity, beat out inclusions, crush remaining inclusions to smaller size (many small harms less than a few big ones), homogenize the material (the goal of folding being to have a single, even material), and to some degree refine the grain size.

For all but homogenizing long-distance segregation the folds themselves aren't what do the job, but the extensive hot forging. So apart form "kneading" the material to mix it the folding over simply serves to keep the dimensions of the billet reasonable. So with modern steels being without long-distance segregation as-cast and with machinery being able to handle extremely drawn-out dimensions, hot strip milling has taken over.

Now, if we're looking at metals with historical eyes instead of modern day performance requirements, then simply melting and re-solidifying the material will generally deal with most of the misery we'd otherwise have to fold to get rid of. Thus making crucible steel provides an alternative to folding the steel. And as you cast bronze, there was little reason to fold it.

On top of this, given how little hot forging would have been going on the bronze age (with even early smelted iron apparently being cold worked) it seems likely that the process simply wasn't invented until the start of the iron age.

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>>54543341

Uh, no, I'm referring to specific architectural forms which were developed in Mesopotamia prior to the 1st millennium BC, and which remained largely unchanged. Still inappropriate for a "Bronze Age thread."

>>54543370
For anyone familiar with the subject, it's like posting images from the American Revolutionary war in a thread for the first World War.

Corinthian-style helmets may have often been made of bronze, but they have absolutely nothing to do with bronze age styles.

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Now laminating/composite/bimetal construction is a somewhat different thing. Here we mix two or more materials (like two bronzes with different tin content, or high and low carbon steel) in a blade, and intentionally keep them separate. It's commonly stated that this would be a way to combine the hardness of one material with the toughness of another.

However, for iron and steel that's unlikely to be true. As per Alan Williams (The Sword and the Crucible) the toughness of these old steels was bottlenecked more by inclusions that carbon content, so the combination was merely one of a harder and a softer steel of similar toughness. In addition to this, not every part of a blade is equal. Some parts play a larger role in its properties than other, and the material there is far more crucial than that in the low-importance parts. So what we're seeing in the composite steel blades is probably just cost-cutting, using cheaper metal were it won't matter for the blade as a whole.

With bronze we do see some Chinese bi-metal blades, adding high-tin edges ot a low-tin core. I haven't seen anyone of note talk abotu what exactly this would mean for the properties of the blade, but given that these blades would have been very low in inclusions thanks to being cast, it is possible that we in this case see an actual case of using a tougher body unliekly to snap off combined with harder edges that kept their sharpness better. IIRC these swords would at least seem to be higher end ones as well, in some cases having a "cast-in" decorative pattern of different tin content as well, so it appears ot be blades that were allowed ot be expensive, though perhaps basic and (for bronze) cheap ones also exist.

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And I should perhaps mention that composite iron/steel blades would have been created by forge welding the bits together, the Chinese bimetal bronze swords would apparently have been made by first casting one part, and then inserting that part into a mold for the completed sword and pouring in the second alloy (add extra steps as necessary for any decorations).

>>54543240
The thread would have died if I weren't posting in it. I saved it from page 10 several times.

>>54544048
>I posted irrelevant art to save the thread!
But you're junking it up, anon. Post relevant art, use google, use pinterest, do something instead of posting art that *isn't* being requested.

>>54544082
I apologize. I'll avoid doing that in the future.

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>>54542981
>no picture
Literally every fucking time anyone ever complains about the content of an image thread, no matter what type it is - art, filename, whatever

They never have a fucking picture

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>>54544082
>demands art
>continues to not post any
He can't keep getting away with it!

>>54544645
the state of literally every draw thread on the site seems to imply otherwise, desu

>>54543569
>>54543615
Good info.

I like Chinese history and they did a lot of odd things we, as Westerners, aren't to familiar with.

I've heard this before too though, that they figured out a way to make extra good bronze swords by using the two different tin-content levels of alloy together to make one blade. Pretty neat.

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>>54543569
Here is what those moon-runes are saying

>>54546961
Thank you. I'd wondered.

>>54546961
I wonder if he really made it or they're just being kind.

>>54548788
I suspect a more accurate translation would be "made FOR and used by", but I could be wrong.

>>54546961
Are there ever any artifacts in museums that have ancient symbols on them that when translated pretty much say, "I piss on you and I fucked your mom!"

>>54549647
http://www.higgins-collection.org/artifacts/2585.a-n

>>54549780
>http://www.higgins-collection.org/artifacts/2585.a-n
I don't see anything. It's just an armor. The curator talks about its spaulders or some shit.

>>54550121
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/sets/72157616608637148/
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It's filled with engraving of the equivalent of the middle finger. The thumb between the fingers in particular represents a vagina. Not literally "I fucked your mother", but close.

>>54549647
Wouldn't surprise me if some slingstones had that written on them.

They've found ones with "catch!" and similar already.

>>54523257
Artillery and foot archers. Fighting in/around mountains.

Alexander the Great at Jaxartes and what happened to the Mongols in Hungary. The Romans had a square formation with javelins and archers in the center to fight horse archers. They also liked to ambush Parthians around mountains.

>>54519134
>I don't know how to differentiate between late bronze and early iron
As a rule of the thumb, if it's recognizably Greek, it's iron age. Before the Bronze Age Collapse there were two civilizations, Minoans and Mycenaeans (aka Achaeans) that looked quite differently

Egyptians? Most likely Bronze, or even Copper. Sure, the civilization kept on going till Roman times but the last great Pharaoh was Rameses II who was alive at the time of Collapse and from whom we know about "Sea People" whoever they were

If it looks Sumerian/Assyrian/Akkadian/Babylonian? Your guess is as good as any, because this particular cultural continuum of brutal empires of black-bearded men went out of its way to preserve its identity. I suppose, if there's more mud bricks than stone and wood, it's more likely to be Bronze than Iron

Might be wrong, of course

>>54514668
Intredasting, I really needed some justification for different cultures using different kinds of metal besides some vague tradition. But why exactly did iron took over or was that just not really the case? I heard that iron was actually used much sooner, already in the bronze age and we basically use these terms just for convenience.

>>54523257
>>54522776
Horse archers do not shoot lasers, if you think Attila and Genghis Khan were successful because of the Parthian shot, you're buying into a huge meme

>>54542360
How do these people not know the story of Samson?

>>54552291
Bronze in our world required (and kinda still does) massive trading networks (due to copper and tin basically never being found and minable in the same place, with a couple of minor exceptions) but is relatively easy to make. Iron requires higher temperature to smelt and some know how to make steel but the ore is super common

When trading networks bit it, iron had to do, which in turn eventually improved the quality of steel

And when I say "massive trading networks" I mean something like copper coming from Iberia and tin from modern Afghanistan. There were other mines but these were the largest in the ancient world

>>54549647
>>54551344
I remember an article saying that a slingstone had "May this hit you in the dick" written on it
Man, what is it with humanity's obsession with crotch shots

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>>54542360
what is sarcasm you fucking autist

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>Reminder that Babylonians are to Romans what Romans are to us.
Incredible how even the fucking Romans have their own Antiquity.

>>54552213
>If it looks Sumerian/Assyrian/Akkadian/Babylonian? Your guess is as good as any
If you guess "iron age" you'll be right 80% of the time. A lot of that art is based on the best preseved artifacts we have and those are from Neo-Babylon, you can tell by the prevalence of blue (google Babylon and you'll get the Ishtar gate reconstruction as one of the first results), tall buildings, multilevel buildings with plants on top (inspired by the hanging gardens), long straight square-ish walls, etc.

Although the main dude in the picture is always going to be some Gilgamesh-looking motherfucker.

rogan?

>>54542981
Actually some of those are Bronze age.

>>54542981
Pretty hard to find images only specific for that time period.

>>54549562
A lot of kings made a big deal out of doing this kinda shit.

>>54557380
I wonder what the Babylonians or Sumerians thought was ancient history. Did the neo or paleolithic survive in their cultural memory?

>>54552213
How do you tell the difference between Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian, and Babylonian? They seem to be civilizations that went "Oh those guys we concurred? That was really us."

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Not sure if the clothing is accurate but they're using bronze.

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>>54562272

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>>54550648
>someone at some point was walking around in broad daylight while wearing this

>>54551344
>>54555820
I fucking love humanity.

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>>54551344
>>54555820
>>54562370

My favorite was the slingstone that says "Duck!" and "Look out!" on the other side. Top tier bantz

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>>54563248
There was one with "For Pompey's backside" as well, which is just getting personal.

Here's the one with catch on it. The other one has a thunderbolt, because when the ancients weren't writing shit on them, they instead doing snakes, scorpions, and lightning - because they're dangerous. Like guns decorated with dangerous animals, humans love decorating shit.

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>>54568090
>For Pompey's backside

>>54511253
>posts Iron Age stuff

>>54557640
>Although the main dude in the picture is always going to be some Gilgamesh-looking motherfucker.
Well, that's because they kept on depicting their rulers as Gilgamesh-looking motherfuckers at least until Cyrus the Great rekt Babylon. Not so sure after that

>>54560949
>How do you tell the difference between Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian, and Babylonian?
Do you have a date? By date then.
No date? Might as well toss a coin. They really did make a point of appearing to be the continuation of their predecessors. And then Medes came and then Greeks a few centuries later

>>54552291
It was called the bronze age collapse, and all the trade routes broke down so it was no longer possible to get tin.

>>54530142
>posthumously
>implying that isn't his sunday best from when he was alive

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>>54552291
>>54571891

Excellent primer:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5ABU4r0U2Mcj_Gj32UN80zX

Extra History is a terrific GM resource.

>>54535480
Gotta say, the Egyptian trend during the muslim golden age of wearing technically acceptable clothing but making the tops see-through also sounds super hot.

>>54572040
Or a proper lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

>>54541841
>implying the minoans aren't who the ancient world refereed to as Atlantians
Literally nobody implies that.

>>54542062
There's no need to fold bronze, it doesn't have the same kind of problems as iron.

>>54560909
Their classical empire was Akkad.

>>54572062
Wait what? I thought that whole concept was just Western exoticism.

>>54572285
No, you're probably thinking of the harem dancers, who were kind of a thing in Turkey for a bit but are vastly overstated in western culture. The see through tops were attested by Ibn Battuta as typical street wear, so are as close to definitely a real thing as any history ever. He didn't approve, incidentally. He thought that was almost as bad as the fact that Egyptian women could talk to men other than their husband and have male guests over even when the husband wasn't around.

Conversely he approved of the fact that the king of Mali had his daughters naked as a sort of a punishment until they finished memorizing the Koran.

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>>54530464
It's an alloy of copper and tin, anon. You probably saw a shitload of it in your life, it's the green statues and church rooftops

>>54523257
Horse archers became a thing around the 8th or 7th century in what is now days Syrian. After it got to the steppes it was very quickly spread across the whole of it.

The bronze age ended at different times in different places but by the time horse archers became a thing it was over in most of the places people think of when talking about the bronze age.

Having said that the first time a horse archer based army faced a conventional army they won big.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great#Death

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>>54530464