Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

THIS IS NOW A DARK ELDAR THREAD

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>>54501178
First for the truth

>>54501208
>literally cannot do anything right

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Ynnari out

I saw various rumors/posts earlier;
Does anyone have the points from the new Space Marine Codex?
Are Intercessors and/or Inceptors really getting a point reduction?

Xth for butthurt spikeybits fanboys

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>>54501216
That's ADB's fault.

>>54501203
Hell yeah, motherfucker! Someone get the Adrenalight.

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>>54501178
I will from now until forever call Skittari "Skittles"

>>54501224
So is a lot wrong with HH.
>those autists defending fucking master of mankind in the previous thread

What's the new build for Smashfucker?

So, what else would folks like from Primaris? I want a straight up assault unit, like jump packs, and some lighter vehicles. Primaris versions of Land Speeders and a Primaris Techmarine, maybe with the option for them manning a Thunderfire Cannon, would be great.

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13th for the memory of Hades Hive.

>>54501258
There isn't one. Smashfucker is dead, good riddance.

>>54501208
>spitting image of temprah
>pretty ugly
really causes one to ponder

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>>54501208

>>54501258
robute guillyman

Back to $50 codexes. It was nice while it lasted, fellas

>>54501258
Dead

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>>54501228
>>54501203
Kabals get in here!

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what is this?
Sounds like that codex may not be THAT far off

and ya, give me my enclaves melee dudes

>>54501268
I like the double tracks.

>>54501268
That slut can't be wearing regulation unifrom.

>>54501288
But dreamin

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>>54501292
Fuck you, this is a Guard thread.

>>54501258
>IH biker captain with shield eternal and 6+ save warlord trait.
T5, 6W, 3++, damage is halved, then gets 2 6+++. Stick him with an apothecary and enjoy literally never dying, since he's a character too

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>>54501297

Commissar Creamythighs makes her own regulations, thank you much

>>54501293
>waah, why isn't our army the best shooty race around? Please give BS3+ as standard GW, my army should have no downsides
Such delicious tau tears, I hope the codex is the last one out and is shit

>>54501293
>seeing a butthurt t'aufag be butthurt
always brings me to joy

Hey Archons, how do your Kabals feel about our Craftworld cousins? Hate them? Or just mildly dislike them?

Personally, my Kabal is sort of lukewarm on the subject. Reunification of our races would be nice, but Craftworlders REALLY gotta get off their high horse. They totally kill your buzz.

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>>54501292
Kabals get in here!

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>>54501049
>>54500912
Spiky bits is a thieving pedo!

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everyone post your Primaris.

>>54501293

We already have a list for a bit more then half the releases this year, I believe. It's pretty much all the marine armies, including CSM.

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>>54501292
RAPE, PILLAGE, BURN!

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>>54501306
Not for long!

>>54501331

those faces in particular are really good, dude. You can see all the ruggedness.

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That deldar guy who was being posted about, found some more of his tears

Dante
Mephiston
Astorath
Sanguinar
Jump Chaplain
Terminator Captain
~20 Tactical marines (10 are magnetized arms/packs for jump assault)
30 Jump pack assault marines
15 Assault terminators (5 claw, 10 th/ss)
15 Death company
4 Grav Cannon devastators
4 devastators with unglued missile launcher/lascannons/heavy bolters to change them in and out
10 Sanguinary Guard (a few are converted)
5 Drop Pods
5 Dreadnoughts (Two AOBR, one furioso, one death company, one librarian)
Stormraven
Land raider
3 Baal Predators
3 Rhino/razorbacks (weapons aren't glued on)
3 Land Speeders (weapons are magnetized and in small bag on left side of photos)
6 Command Squad marines
~3 Dark Vengeance bikes
8 normal bikers

Is this a good deal for 600 bucks? Im really thinking about buying it.

>>54501331
Those are some damn fine faces mah man.

You can all fuck off! Where were you when DE were shit? You bandwagoning faggots are pathetic.

>>54501354
>conscripts
the space marine codex literally just invalidated them with the orbital bombardment

>>54501331
Nice

>>54501366
Right here next to you Anon.. we still are just put your head on my shoulder.

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Did they fix Gabriel Angelos' face, or was it a bad paintjob before?

Maybe they will do Gorgutz, Eliphas or Macha/Taldeer too?

Any ideas for basing my Primaris?

I already have an urban and generic woods army.

>>54501354
>>54501293
>tau tears and WAACfag tears within the first 50 posts
Guys, please stop, I'm getting full on all this delicious butthurt

>>54501389
FW has a bad painter.

>>54501389
Bad paintjob, FW is well known for being utter ass at painting faces

>>54501390
>Any ideas for basing my Primaris?
Marinelet bits.

>>54501331
These look great, you should be proud.

>>54501389
Head still looks too big.

He's like a squat.

>>54501313
This

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>>54501406
>he calls them marinelets

>>54501331
>no helmets

Still look great.

>>54501390
Depends on which chapter but Snow, Magma, and Desert are ones you haven't done that spring to mind.

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>>54501331
Waiting for the boxed sets.

>>54501417
>t. triggered manlet
Grow up. Oh wait.

>>54501406
This is the only true answer.
Latest Codex says they are not even collecting manlet gene seed anymore. Don't want to pollute the blood line any further

>>54501366
I was painting mine when they were shit.

>>54501434
Kek

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>>54501348

>>54501357
Maybe.
Try for 500, 550 would be great.

>>54501366
Also everyone just getting in ain't a bandwagoner.. half the people I've seen are so green they piss grass. Take a nap grandpa.

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>>54501366
DE player since 5th Ed here, and I think you're a bit to hostile my dude. The only comp deldar build floating around rn is pick related, which was recently neutered (thank god).

If you get on the Dark Eldar train, it's probably not because you're a WAAC, so even if there are new players running around, all the better. No reason to push people off something you both enjoy.

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>>54501449
>Latest Codex says they are not even collecting manlet gene seed anymore

>>54501449
Wait what, seriously?

>>54501449
Post pic pls.

>>54501354
>memescripts

So my friend insists IG sucks and I always beat him.

Can a guard player convince him other wise? What are the strategies currently.

I play ultra marines btw

>>54501480
True story brah.

Hm.. if i kill gurliman / celestine with Magnuss spawnifier, will they still return ?
atm it seems they would, but its feels..wrong

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>>54501473
>Deldar being tranquillo

>>54501423
I'm actually planning Magma/Ash for my Tau. Desert could be interesting though.

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>>54501449
>Latest Codex says they are not even collecting manlet gene seed anymore. Don't want to pollute the blood line any further
I hope this is true.

>>54501449
You're so full of shit it's not even funny

>>54501498
What's he running?

>>54501480
>>54501474

Doubt it, think about it lore wise. That wouldn't happen

Asked this in a previous thread, and the replies agreed with me that there probably isn't much of a reason to take an Interrogator-Chaplain with Deathwing in lieu of Belial (who is just brutal at only 150 pts.).

If you were gonna run a TDA IC, how might you attempt it?
I could see running him in a list with maybe two units of Deathwing Knights, but that's a FUCK LOAD of points.

Please Advise.

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>mfw upgrading my eldar bikers into shining spears

>>54501338

I doubt it will be all marines though

>>54501523
He normally runs a leman Russ list with a couple conscript squads, he also has 2 knights that he brings occasionally.

Even without gulliman my anti tank list beats him cause he doesn't know how to play his army

>>54501536
>elf
>honour and chivalry
What?

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AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL

>>54501509
These are the filthy degenerates I signed up with

>>54501528
>Primaris geneseed has a near 0% rejection rate
>No genetic abhoration like fucking blood-thirst or turning into a wolf
>Produces a better marine

Seriously, why would you risk an apothecary just to recover a piece of obsolete military equipment?

>>54501262
IDK, Aggressors with their Flamethrowers, Reivers, and Hellblasters were pretty much all I've ever wanted from them.

>>54501293
That boy needs to be t'aught some manners.

>>54501366
DE were the faction in which I got good at painting. They'll always have a special place in my heart.

>>54501389
Is this some Russian off-brand sculptor?

>>54501390
Snow, or Lava.

>>54501552
Blasphemous hordes the lot of them.

>>54501549
call it irony since bretonnians got it from high elves in whfb and i got the idea from bretonnians

>>54501547
Wait, you wrote an anti-tank list to fight his tank army and wonder why you're winning easily? You could tell him to run arty instead of russes, but if you list-tailor it really doesn't matter.

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The dark city is love.

>>54501547
Does he have commissars with his conscripts? because it sounds like he needs some better infantry, some Scions might help, and transports.

I kinda understand because i run Leman Russ heavy lists all the time.

>>54501381

In what way? The Orbital Bombardment seems like hot garbage, to be honest, but it at least seems like hot garbage designed to kill elite duders. It seems a huge waste against big mobs of infantry. I can see Sternguard with Masterful Marksmanship making a decent dent in Conscript hordes though, hitting on 3s rerolling for Robooty and killing outright on 2s with no saves is pretty thavage.

>>54501493
>>54501520
> t. Ass blasted manlets
Check the codex when it leaks brahs. Get with the times. Manlets are the fucking past. PRIMARIS is the future.

>>54501528
If you want to phase something out of production you stop making it and just let the extant ones get used up, it makes perfect sense.

>>54501498

Bring anything involving Guardsmen/Conscripts, Commissars, and Lascannons, and you basically can't go wrong with that. Add artillery and Tank Commanders to taste.

>>54501466
he started at 700, and i talked him down to 600. Also I pay no shipping.

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>>54501577
Hey /tg/, why are marine players like this?

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Looking to start a Space Marine army.

Should I play Salamanders or Black Templars?

My current army is Orks.

>>54501560
>tech priest from far away starts bringing in brand new marines that apparently uses traitor gene seed.

Space marines are a suspicious bunch considering half of them betrayed the emporer. I doubt they would get rid of loyalist gene seed in favor of brand new gene seed that couple potentially have corruption in it.

>obsolete military equipment

Have you even read any of the lore?

>>54501562
Eh, the source material to model off wasn't all that great anyway. I think its a pretty faithful model for the ass that it was sculpted to match.

>>54501603
Salamanders have the best chapter tactics in the new codex.

>>54501605
The Imperium has an active choice in this matter though, for once it's not them scrounging and using whatever they have on hand to fight with.

>>54501573
Last game his conscripts just sat on his objective all game and fired maybe twice, he runs yarrick with them

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>>54501552
>Start replacing your super-human warriors' role in society and make them fear obsolence
>Where have I heard that one before

Calgar Heresy of marinelets when?

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>>54501598
Are you new? It's just a fucking /tg/ in-joke.

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>>54501603
Ultramarines

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>>54501603
Salamanders have great chapter tactics and Black Templars don't.

>>54501603
If you are gonna do it, do it right. Go Ultramarines with only chadmarines

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>>54501603
Black Templars because I am biased

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lmao

>>54501598
Lurk more faggot
> not realizing /tg/ does this to fuck with marine players

>>54501598
They finally got BIG models Anon. Know what I mean ;)

>>54501637
The father's sins are the sins of the son.

Carbines or Knives on the Rievers? I've bought 2 boxes, so I could technically have a unit of each?

Carbines for thinning down the herd, Knives for fucking up the leftovers?

>>54501659
LEAVE MWG ALONE REEEEEE

>>54501640
>implying any of the autists on this site knows what a joke is

>>54501605
Primaris don't use traitor geneseed. Those joining existing chapters use the geneseed of that chapter's Primarch.

Cawl wants to use traitor/lost Primarch geneseed to boost production, Guilliman veto'd it. Probably still gonna do it, but it's not like all the Primaris seed is traitor.

And how are oldmarines not obsolete? Primaris are better in every way, they don't even have a deficit in experience anymore since most of them are 100+ years old now and have seen fighting more ferocious than anything since the Heresy due to being at the front of the Indomitus Crusade.

>>54501659
> look Brother Captain Chadicus, I can fight too!
When will they learn?

>>54501691
But it is all traitor Order 66 is coming and there will be a reckoning.

>>54501552
>Guilliman starts to feel the Emperor is actually a huge cock when he's made to sack the Word Bearer homeworld
>in Dark Imperium, Guilliman finally knows the Emperor is a huge cock and gets more insight into why many of the Primarchs rebelled, being more sympathetic to them despite not agreeing with what they became from it
>I KNOW, I'LL BE A HUGE COCK TO MY MARINES (sons)
Wew dad.

>>54501576
pop it ontop of the commisar
you can now empty your bolters into the blob and next turn aprox the amount that you killed will run away , unless your opponent spends 2CP , but then you're draining his CP fast each turn

>>54501594
Do it.

>any marines can be made primaris
>not a single named character has undergone the procedure
Can't explain that.

>>54501691
GW is going to support marinelets!
[wink]

Anyone really thought normal marines where not getting squated?

>>54501628
HA

>>54501724
Because that would require GW to make new sculpts

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>>54501659
Matt is such a WAAC faggot.

>There's no rule saying that a named character can't be included in a successor chapter.
>The rules don't say you have to paint your Salamanders a certain way.

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How do you fight massed, cheap infantry effectively without using silly gimmick lists that either break the game or only work against mass heavy horde lists?

>>54501719
The book ends with him recognising he's basically become his father; fucking over his son's and pretending to love them to save the species.

He has no sympathy for the traitor primarchs, he understands why the Emperor didn't love his creations, just as he doesn't love "his" Primaris.

>>54501381
No? Conscripts are literally the thing the Bombardment is WORST against. It deals a fixed number of Mortal Wounds to each *unit* in its range, no matter how big the unit is. So a 50-strong unit takes as much damage as a 3-strong unit. So pointing the bombardment at multiple small units is infinitely more effective than pointint it at a big blob, aka Conscripts.

>>54501653
>>54501646
I hate the smurfs. So fuck no

>>54501649
>>54501628
Main thing holding me back from Salamanders is that they have a kickass unique look that you can't get on the table. Just green marines are boring.

>>54501262
i prefer everything from the old chapter organization over the primaris equivalents. if I don't play classic marines, I m bound to certainly play only transition era marines, where you only have a handful or primaris sprinkled in.

>>54501683

Carbines. Knives ain't that hot because you have more shooty synergy.

>>54501722

I'm not sure if I'm misreading it but the Orbital Bombardment I'm looking at is a D6" radius AoE that deals D3 Mortal Wounds on a 4+, with a -1 to that if it's a character. So you'd need an average of 6 Orbital Bombardments to kill 1 Commissar, which doesn't seem terrible efficient.

>>54501598
>he thinks these are genuine marine players and not GW store owners who want to shame gamers into buying primaris(tm) marines.

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>tfw IH biker literally is Smashfucker 2.0
>takes 34 fucking lascannons
>117 bolter shots
>78 autocannons
>even a fucking volcano Cannon takes 4 FUCKING TURNS if he's got an apothecary
>and there's no RAW/RAI bullshit to fight
>plus he's <10W, so character rules apply

Jesus Christ, who said smashy was dead?

>>54501761
see>>54501722
you use it to oneshot the commisar and attached officer if possible
now your opponent has a 2CP pointsink each turn and their effectiveness has been halved due to losing FRFSF (and if you charge them they can't even fall back and shoot same turn either)

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>>54501765
Grab a few of heads and shoulders from Forge world. They're all compatible with Primaris too.

>>54501603
>not voting for based Pedro Kantor as his chaptermaster
pleb

>>54501791
Would they still have pistols if they take carbines?

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How powerful are spehs marines without their wargear /40kg/?

A space marine walks into a bar and slaps a cog boy's gf on the rear shock-absorber, how many mates does the skitarius need to take him down? Only weapons are pool cues and bottles.

>>54501759
He felt like shit when the Emperor said "I don't love you and never did, get over it" and he understood why this caused the traitor primarchs to rebel. So then he goes and repeats the same exact behavior that led to the rebellion in the first place.

Lmao.

What's even funnier is that some Ultramarines were actually a little disappointed after they got to know Girlyman. because he wasn't the infallible, omniscient God daddy they read about in carefully-selected (biased) remembrancer texts and legends.

>>54501794

It causes 3D3 Mortal Wounds.

>>54501765
Spellcrow has some great conversion bits for Salamanders so they aren't just flat marines
http://www.spellcrow.com/salamandra-dragons-cloaks-p-303.html
http://www.spellcrow.com/salamandra-dragons-crests-p-300.html
http://www.spellcrow.com/salamandra-dragons-knights-shoulder-pads-ver-p-199.html
http://www.spellcrow.com/salamandra-dragons-knights-shoulder-pads-ver-p-204.html
http://www.spellcrow.com/salamandra-dragons-tabards-p-165.html

>>54501687
did you see the new battle report of marines vs necrons? man, the marines player sucked balls. no wonder he lost. so many tactical errors and he didnt even recognize half of them in the after-battle report.

>>54501861
Reanimation Protocols are OP

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>>54501765
>Just green marines are boring.
are you sure?

>>54501848
I seem to recall it doing that as well but i quickly googled space marine strategems and the first link i clicked says
>>54501794
is correct , makes orbital bombardment a lot less effective as i initially assumed

At least having you say the same means i didn't pull the 3d3 out of my ass

>>54501836

They would.

>>54501875
Quantum shielding is most likely to get nerfed if you look at the main complainers/complaints

>>54501422

>muh helmets

Fuck off autist

>>54501755
That's fucking gay.

>>54501844
I think if Leman Russ comes back it'll be the same for the Wolves. They've become a chapter that genuinely value human life and will do all they can to protect it. Leman Russ never really gave a shit about human life, he just liked a good fight and getting drunk and have people fellate him through telling anecdotes of his deeds. Grimnar will probably think Russ as a lout and won't feel much respect for him. None of the currently Space Wolves except Bjorn know that basically the Space Wolves were sent to do nasty shit that nobody else would.

>>54501861
Yeah I saw that!
>>54501875
Nah breh that nigga shit the bed real quick.

>>54501908
>anti helmeteers

Check yourself.

>>54501875
No, people that can't learn to focus their fire are retarded. Literally 40 Tac marines wipe them in one turn, and shit like an assault Cannon wipes the floor. A goddamn crusader squad with some razorback can take out more than 1/4 of a necron list's ability in a single turn

>>54501929
>40 Tac marines
Have you ever seen a list with 40 Tacs, personally that is?

>>54501889
>>54501848
ah it's the vindicator one that does 3d3
that's still good at killing characters though, with a cp reroll you get a 2/3 chance of oneshotting a commisar

>>54501755
At the same time, why not just use the count as rule anyway. It's fucking stupid GW put that little blurb in there anyway.

>>54501297
need to keep the men motivated

>>54501929
>HAVE YOU TRIED TAKING 40 TACTICAL MARINES

Hehe

>>54501875
A. he attacked the enemy backfield piecemeal
B. he didnt advance his marines towards the necrons
C. he didnt focus fire to eliminate a specific unit each turn
D. he didn't seek close combat (after softening enemy units with ranged fire) even though it was his priority goal
E. even when breaking the morale of a unit was his goal, he kept firing his lascannons at vehicles instead of inflicting additional casualties to push the enemy over the goalline

but then again he's new to the army, so that's okay. but he could have totally had this fight with more experience.

>>54501331
>managed to convert THAT out of snapshit
wow way to make me feel like an amateur for waiting on the multipart kit to use them with the BT upgrade sprue.
also tfw marines are more attractive than you.

>>54501818
Orrr you poke him with like seven mortal wounds and he keels over.

>>54501825
Well, a Commisar still has 3 Wounds, so you first have to hit and then you have to pray for your D3 to be a 3. And since you can only use 1 Command Reroll during this exercise, the fuckup potential is pretty high. But yeah, I see how it's supposed to work now, thanks.

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New GW does it again!

>>54501983
>seven mortal wounds
14*

>>54501974
>wow way to make me feel like an amateur for waiting on the multipart kit to use them with the BT upgrade sprue.
For dark imperium conversion isn't that hard, just file down any pegs that the arms attach to and glue on what you want.
Now, making it look to scale is a whole different issue

>>54501989
wew

Anyone ever use
Sculpey Mold Maker for making bases?

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>>54501989
Jesus fucking Christ there's so much wrong with that concept I can't even

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>>54501989

>>54501989
>even WWII pilots that needed to line up their targets got hit by fucking flamers
Is GW retarded or just intentionally stupid?

>>54501989
NuGW confirmed for completely retarded.
Just have the nuts to say 'yeah it's a suspension of disbelief to make the game work, deal with it nerds'. Then drink the tears.

Have the Anniversary Primaris Caotains come out yet? I'm thinking the fist and plasma pistol might be a nice combo.

Cheaper than the Gravis, still gives the reroll aura but can contribute better to long range and no one uses the sword anyway

>>54502032
So stupid that I ate the "didn't got hit"

>>54501974
You can actually do quite a lot with those Easy to Build models. My EtB Intercessors are now one Intercessor and 2 Honour Guard and my EtB Plague Champion is now a Chaos Lord with double Lightning Claws and a Blightking head. Hand and arm swaps are pretty simple.
The only thing you can't yet do is give them different shoulder pads, but eh.

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>>54501755
Yeah who's not buying an entire army of models for each chapter you're going to play?
Fucking WAAC don't care about the hobby aspect!

>>54501989
Flyer spam fags just can't catch a break!

>>54501603
Salamanders because less edgy.

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How does this look for the Malignant Plaguecaster's spell?

>>54501945
not him but... you drop 10 Tactical Termies in front of one unit and then add some long range firepower on top of it. if you're lucky the termies can charge another unit. never rely on morale tests to wipe necron units out, the enemy will just spend 2 CP and regenerate.

focus on one flank of the necron army and eliminate it. burn it down to the ground.

>>54501962
jokes on you, the marine player in the battle report had about 70 pairs of boots on the ground. and still could have won if he hadnt been new to playing marines. or defeating crons.

>>54501989
Someone needs to let the GW facebook guy know he should just not talk about applying 40k rules to real life, because he's utterly wrong. Yes, he's right that bombing at 30,000 feet will be inaccurate, but that doesn't mean they're going to be flying in the range of a handheld flamethrower

>>54502086
did you take it out of your nose?

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>>54501292
ZOG OFF POINTY GIT, DIS IZ AN ORK FREAD.

>>54501818
You know what? If somebody ran smashfucker with a model that had that much time and effort put into it I wouldn't care a bit. The real problem was when I was fighting an unpainted dark vengance biker being used as smashfucker every game. That was FUN.

>>54502086
A little glumpy

>>54501993
Sure if you spread them out over several turns, but when doing them in one turn, the Apothecary doesn't have a chance to heal him, so he only has a 6+ FnP with possibly a second 6+ FnP from the Warlord Trait to save him. Or do you mean with the Shield Eternal? Because odd numbers of Mortal Wounds can still fuck that thing over.

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>>54502028
>>54502032
>>54502048
>>54502055
>>54502094

>>54502104
Smothered it in Nurgle's rot so its all glossy.

>>54501989
this post is a nothingburger

Are CC Chosen good now?
A unit with 4 power axes, and a champ with 2 LC is113 points, and shits out 8 str 5 ap -2 attacks, and 4 str 4 (re-rolling wounds)ap -2 attacks, all hitting on 3's. stick a dark apostle in there, and a rhino to carry them in and you have quite the mobile hit squad

>>54502086
Yes because
>>54502104

>>54501313
i can wipe that off the board in a turn of shooting (even if i go second against raven spam) with my dark eldar.

>>54502111
Why do you even play cockmongrels like that?

>>54502132
They were great guard blenders last edition.
Oughta be stronk this time around.

>>54502094
>b-but i want to hit him with my sword
topkek

>>54502121
>even WWII knew it was a retarded idea
>made hellhound instead

>>54502121
OH SHIT!!! You fuckers got served what's it taste like hater fags?

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>>54501843
No one because the flesh is weak

>>54502141
Last edition they were kinda pricey, especially with termintors being in the same slot, and price range.
They are half the price of termintors now

>>54502121
>the installed flamethrowers did not produce a single confirmed enemy casualty before the end of the war
>this retard thinks that means flamethrowers being able to kill flyers is ok
Fuck off retard

>>54502132
Why do that when you can just take a bunch of Berzerkers?

I mean yes, Chosen are much better now that Power Weapons aren't 15 fucking points anymore, but it's really fucking hard to argue against Chain Axe + Chain Sword Berzerkers since they pile in and attack twice.

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>>54501313
>T5
Leave him to us.

>>54502140
Because I have 4 friends who play 40K and even waacfag friends are leagues better to play with than randoms at the college/shop.
He did also eventually paint him. After a few years.

>>54502121
So... they didn't actually use it, because it was an stupid idea to shoot fire into the air.

>>54501268
Can you take a close up on that female guard.

>>54502121
>no confirmed kill with that stupid idea
>while a longbow has a confirmed kill

>>54501843
It depends on the fluff and who's writing it. Sometimes a Space Marine can take a shotgun shell to the face without flinching and sometimes they'll be done in by some random idiot with a pointed stick.

>>54502196
You got your hot glue gun ready partner?

>>54501178
Stupid Smite question:
When does Smite do d6 Mortal Wounds?

>Corebook says more than 10. Thus a 11+
>But all the modified Smites in the index say on a 10 or more do X instead of d6. (X being 2d6 for Magnus or D3 for the Rubric Sorcerers)

Still assuming it's only on 11+, just odd that that inconsistency is there.

>>54502157
Not going to lie, it stings anon. It stings. I need a hug.

>>54502203
>longbow confirmed kill against aircraft
What?

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Never said this before, but there's a first time for everything. I hope BL retcons the shit out of this event.
I know it's a vain hope though because BL only ruins good fluff, so they'll only retcon Baal if they've somehow, against the odds, found a way to make it even worse.

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>>54502121
>>54502157
>>54501989

Yeah, they tried it, and it didn't work.

>>54502203
Mad jacks legend lives on!!! Someone need to model that glorious fucker.

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>>54501366
I probably didn't know what warhammer was

>>54502185
Holy crap. I just wanted to complain about how dumb Hellions are for killing that guy because of the Shield Eternal, but because of the way the wound-halving works, these dudes are actually fantastic for killing him.

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>>54502066

>>54501989

I seem to remember a rule from one of the old FW books where, for the purposes of targeting fliers, they always counted as being 12" farther away then the actual measured distance to represent the heights they flew at. Seems like a rule like that might solve this problem.

>>54502234
Pfft space magic infused flamers work better.

>>54501989
So flamers are indeed confirmed GOAT AA guns
wew lad.

>In the grimdarkness of the 41st Millennium, there are no laser guided bombs.

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>>54501989
Also apparently Typhus pricing is intentional. What customizations DOES the Lord have, anyway?

>>54502172
True, grab 'em.

>>54502223
Not against an aircraft
If I recall correctly a crazy bastard brought a longsword and longbow to D day. Manage to kill one guy with the bow.

>>54502234
But one day, a magos will find the STC for the lagonda flamethrower, and with 41st millenium technology it'll work!

Actually, I'm kind of surprised it had an effect, even if just reducing bombing accuracy. Also, the idea of testing stupid equipment to make the enemy waste time testing the same stupid equipment is funny to me.

>>54502273
I don't think he has any currently, but with a proper codex there will obviously be wargear and warlord traits to throw into the plate.

>>54502196

>>54501316

>>54502231
The cover art looks creepy as fuck. Like someone made a drawing of a cgi animation.

>>54502261

How so? They do 2 damage each, dumped to 1. How is that good?

>>54502272
Aren't hunter-killer missiles smart bombs? Shame the rules always dick them over.

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>>54502273
>What customizations DOES the Lord have, anyway?

>>54502265
top kek

>>54502285
Ah, that's almost certainly mad jack churchill. What a guy.

>>54502217
Smite is 11+ normally, however datasheet special rules alter it sometimes. Rubrics as you say its 10+ but thats only for D3 as they normally only do 1 wound.

>>54501962
>>54501945
>rhetorical example MUST be exactly and only what I'm referring too
It takes 80 S4 shots or 60 S5, etc. etc., if you get just a touch of AP it's easy as hell. No matter what army you play, it's easy as hell to mass S4/5 fire.

I play mostly GK, and it only takes 15 strike marines to wipe a 20-man blob, and that's without psychic bubbles or buffs.

The thing I almost always take- a pair of assault razorbacks with 6 interceptors in them- takes them out with ease. So yeah, it's pretty easy.

f o c u s f i r e

>>54501327
What color scheme should I use for my spikey bits primaris chapter? What should my chapter tactics be?

>>54501818
Anon, you clearly can't into math. An IH biker captian dies to just 2 volcano cannons if he takes the +1w warlord trait and shield eternal.
I'm not going to even bother mathhammering out the rest of the numbers, but I'm going to assume they're also wrong.
Also, mortal wounds exist

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>>54502265
I love this guy.

>>54502312
Well, all the death guard relics he can take. Duh.

>>54501331
>When a model have a better face than your own.

>>54502312
Typhus's stats for comparison?

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>>54502315
>>54502241
Fucker fought with a broad sword and a long bow. Far right is him being a fucking boss.

Do we have complete leaks for the SM codex?

>>54502312
While it is obvious that he'll have at least 1 fucking option in the proper release, I hate GW's current attitude of only making rules for exactly what they have. Would it have hurt them that much to give him all his weapon options and let you convert them in yourself? It's the same deal as DG terminators, DG will have their own special termies in their codex, so GW could just leave DG their regular termies until then, or give out the rules for the new ones now and just release the proper models later, letting the current model be the default terminator, but instead of anything reasonable they decided to remove all DG termies until the codex drops.
"All your models will be useable" my ass.

>>54501755
Except both of those make sense, you should be able to use a character in the successor Chapter unless it has it's own character or Chapter Tactics and most player created successors are basically differently painted codex Chapters.

>>54502367
Yes.

>>54502293
>Also, the idea of testing stupid equipment to make the enemy waste time testing the same stupid equipment is funny to me.

Stupid equipment was happening all throughout WW2.

>Personal favorite was suicide bats that Americans were training to nest in Japanese style buildings. Modified bomb to drop them into their location. Outer shell pops off. Bats would seek shelter as dropped during day. Timed explosives go off. Shortly after.
>IIRC they ended up burning down part of their lab and got canceled after nukes were successful.

>>54502310
But that's not how it works.
After the opponent does his saves, you add up all the damage the unit received and then you halve the entire damage, so the D2 Hellglaives are actually quite potent at piling on the Wounds.

At least that's how those "halve damage inflicted" abilities work in AoS.

>>54502362
>bu but but... muh marines!

>>54501433
This. I'm not gonna try and shave off pauldrons.

>>54501945
4 squads of your basic troops really shouldn't seem outlandish to you, nor should spending ~~25% of your points on troops. But as to your question, yes multiple times.

>>54501584
No, you harvest the ones in the field to deny the enemy any geneseed.

>>54501293

Honestly he's not wrong: If Markerlights are nerfed into the ground, and quite rightly, they were always too much of an overdone gimmick that led to the army functionally being BS5 (2+) with free ignores cover everywhere, then we should have BS3+ veterans like everyone else.

Leave the Fire Warrior chaff and pathfinders BS4 by all means.

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>>54502231

And what do you wish had happened instead?

>>54502371
after the chapterhouse mess, yes. it's also the reason why they stepped up their terrible naming idea

>>54502312
I don't trust GW's facebook team. Obviously you are paying for the privilege of using a plastic model that is modelled in actual Cataphractii armour

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>>54501389
This will be the only acceptable macha figure

>>54502385
Gibe

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>>54502336
I guess we'll find out in August ;^)
>>54502347

>>54501389
Eliphas would be great for when the Chaos book comes out, and the others for their own. Would be a good way to tie things in.

>>54502371
C H A P T E R H O U S E

Although I kind of feel like the argument "Chapterhouse ruined customization" is kind of like the reasoning of an abused spouse:
"I really should have known not to make Kirby mad, it's my own fault."

>>54502312
Shit, he's actually way better than a regular lord with chainfist.
How much does he cost?

>>54502120
nuSmash does have two FnPs

>>54502273
KEK fucking retarded bitchy little queers whining about an "error" that was obviously intentional BTFO AGAIN

>>54502183
Alpha legion, so khorn stuff is no good

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>>54501433
yfw chadmarines are labeled excomunicado for being abominations .. a product of twisting the emperor's pure work

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>>54502241
Huh..

>>54502405
The point is taking 40 fucking tacticals is batshit and highly suboptimal.

I've recently started playing 40k and so far I've met 3 Dark Angels players.

All of them were kids, like under 12. All of them really like Cypher.

I'm sure there's something to say about that but I just can't think of it. Its so weird. Don't they know Cypher is a fallen? Do they care? Why do kids like Dark Angels so much, maybe because they were in the starting set last edition?

>>54502362
>Last Englishman to kill an enemy soldier with a longbow

He used it to initiate an ambush by shooting a German NCO too. I can't imagine the degree of confusion that causes.

>Sarge is hit! Man down, man down!
>Is that a fucking arrow...?
>*Commandos open up*

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So fellow Salamanderfags, how do you feel about the new Chapter Tactics and Stratagem ?

Personally as somebody who picked up Salamanders because I love flamers I'm not really a fan, with most of my squads and dreads using flamers and combi flamers and with a sprinkling of combi-meltas on Sternguards in drop pods.

I guess I would have to invert it and give the melta guns to Tacticals and the flamers to the Sternguards in pods. Still, now that Vulkan doesn't affect the whole army it got weaker but on the bright side I can field a Captain of my own without feeling like gimping myself.

>>54502435
>>54502441
Typhus is 164 and the Lord of Contagion is 184.

>>54501945
Yup, once played a game against a kid who bought like 90 Bolter-Tacs off Ebay. Then he pointed 180 Bolter shots at my Terminators and literally 179 of those hit rolls were 1s and 2s and the 180th failed to wound.

>>54502411
Like I said, I personally can't think of anything worse, so pretty much anything other than "Leviathan was spread across half the galaxy and all over the Segmentum Tempestus, but now it's all instantly at Baal. Oh, and the warp storm kills them all immediately. Warp falls, tyranids died, boy that sure was lucky for the Blood Angels huh? Oh and Guilliman's there too. In the time it took the tendril to cross from the Crypus System to Baal, Guilliman woke up, went to Terra, woke up his Primaris Marines, fought off 88 Hosts of Khorne, crossed the Galaxy to a stable crossing of the Great Rift, and then cross half the galaxy again without the Astronomicon. But don't worry about how long that'd take: time is no longer linear in the 41st Millenium :^)"

>>54502439
>Although I kind of feel like the argument "Chapterhouse ruined customization" is kind of like the reasoning of an abused spouse
Not in this case. If GW put out rules for products they don't sell, then someone else could go and make a model and grab the copyright, and GW wouldn't be able to make their own model for it.
Anyone with half a brain can see why that's a bad thing for GW, so we get what we have.

Though a better solution would be to put out more customizable models

>>54502478
Amazeballs

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>>54501178

Will we ever get good possessed models that aren't Legion specific

>>54502392
It doesn't work that way in 8th at all. Iirc, they just did a thing in the FAQ about it. Attacks in 8th are technically resolved one at a time, so each Hellion does half of 2 damage per attack.

>>54502439
Classic, blame the consumer for wanting options.

>>54502332
No, you suck.
>volcano Cannon has 7 shots average
>7*(2/3 to hit)*(5/6 to wound)*(1/3 from save)*(3.5- usually 7, but halved from SE)*(5/6 IH tactic)*(5/6 warlord trait)
>which comes out to 3.15 wounds per turn.
>apoth gives back 2 W per turn on everage, so the damage is cut to 1.15.

6-3.15 (T1) +2-3.15 (T2) +2-3.15 (T3) +2-3.-5 (T4) = -.6 wounds, you fucking idiot

>>54501293
>Shootiest

My Imperial Guard drinks your blue tears.

>>54502413
But "Death guard plagueplaguedeath terminators" can just be death guard termies, they shouldn't have to repackage and rename the box if they make it clear in the index to just use terminators for this, hell we still have painboy and big mek on bike options when there is no official kit for those. And it's the same deal with weapon options, there is literally no model for a generic ork warboss in mega armour and yet letting your nurgle chaos lord take a power maul when it will be a whole TWO WEEKS before the sprue with the power maul comes out is apparently unacceptable?
>>54502425
The lack of divide between the boobs of every edit of this really fucking disturb me.

>>54502464
Or the crazy american fucker that basically took an island on his own half naked.

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>>54502450
Ah, mah nigga!
Then yeah, Chosen are great. Make sure to include some non-Power Axe dudes as well though, because they will end up taking casualties and some ablative wounds are always nice.

>>54502362
After the war, every day, people used to see him chuck his briefcase out the window of the evening commuter train from London too. When one of the passengers asked him why he was doing it, he explained the train went past his back garden. Mad bastard.

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>>54502425

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What's Smershfuckers's new name, lads?

I'd like a Bond meme incorporated.

>>54502505
Oh, you meant the regular shitty one? I assumed you meant the bellicosa volcano cannon, the only one worth talking about.

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>>54502489
>Will we ever get good possessed models that aren't Legion specific


we did back in rouge trader era

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>>54502542

>>54502527
Wonder Woman is fiction breh

>>54502549
There is no Smashfucker.

>>54502549
Nothing, because mortal wounds mean he's absolutely nothing like smashfucker. He's tough, sure, but he's not unkillable in any way shape or form and thus doesn't matter

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>>54502489

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>>54502489
I mean it's not like converting Gal Vorbak for other Legions is that hard.

>>54502574
>>54502575
>as if Smash couldn't be dicked on by the D, with more ease than Mortal Wounds
WEW

>>54502527
Wait, what?

>>54502491
Okay, cool, then yeah, Hellions are turbo-shit against Smashfucker.

>>54502482
True enough. I still mourn the fact that thanks to Chapterhouse we will never get a Parasite of Mortrex, though.

>>54502582
>>54502585
Vorbakmind?

>>54502587
>implying getting a 6 on the D table was anywhere near as easy or as common as mortal wounds are
Dumb smashfucker poster

>>54502587
Smashfucker is dumb. Smashfucker was always dumb. Smashfucker is dead, and it's good riddance.

>>54502402
This and I'm not using decals either. Just have to wait a bit longer.

>>54502605
>forgetting how ubiquitous D was in the twilight days
>>54502620
>actually being this bad
Did anyone actually have trouble killing him even after GK 7th was released?

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How fluffy is this?
How effective is this?

Just gonna play casually versus non-WAACfags at my local.
When Codex: SM drops, I'm thinking of switching the Primaris Lt for a 'standard' Lt.

>>54502527
Sounds like a Florida Man story.

>>54502587
>by the D, with more ease than Mortal Wounds

I mean if you were one of the armies handed D weapons on a plate, sure. But most of us had no access to D weapons in quantity.

>>54502587
Yeah, but you could just refuse to play jackasses who took the D out everywhere, but if you refuse to play against people because they use mortal wounds, you're not a reasonable person but a massive fanny.

>>54502331
Teal and purple. Salamanders.

>>54502582
>>54502585
Those are cool looking as fuck. Why would anyone use those other shitty possessed?

>>54502211
>>54502303
I need a pic of dat ass tho.

>>54502620
>#bringbackSmashfucker

Not literally, but as a IH named special character that just acknowledges that it existed and what it was called. I don't even play IH, but Smashfucker left a legacy and it would be cool if GW recognizes that.

>>54502645
>>54502589
I recall a story of a crazy bastard that grabbed an airplane machine gun and proceed to assault japanese bunkers.

Hell if I remember the name of the crazy bastard.

>>54502640
>>forgetting how ubiquitous D was in the twilight days
It was not, nor has it ever been as common as it is now. Most every army in the game has multiple reliable ways of dishing out mortal wounds, were as D was limited to very large units like knights except for in a handful of armies.

>>54502642
No tac marines is a little lacking on the fluff imo but otherwise pretty nice

>>54502439
GW's kind of unique in how they've got dozens of little operations trying to sneak out a living with their miniatures. No one else really has to consider the potential legal problems that might come from leaving a profile or wargear option without representation.

The closest analogue in tabletop I can think of would be the Unseen in battletech.

>>54502640
It's not about trouble killing him, it's about it just being dumb.

>>54502642
Just use some Stalker Intercessors and Bolt Carbine Reivers man, they're freaking made for your Chapter.

>>54502685
Smashfucker was not nearly as big a thing as you seem to think it was.

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can someone explain the appeal of bikes in this game? wtf are they doing in this universe?

>>54502331
Brown and tan. Sigil is a cool bear
Imperial fist successor chapter for seiging customers wallets and little boys butt holes.

>>54502668
49£ plus shipping for 5

>>54502668
Because Gal Vorbak are pretty expensive and once you've taken one look at their 30k rules you will be so very very disappointed by the rules of normal Possessed.

>>54502711
He clearly wants to run it oldmarine. Raptor's character can't infiltrate Primaris, sadly.

>>54502697
Latest fluff is Guilliman has a tendency to use Primaris as first-response now, disregarding the older marines. All-primaris lists are fluffy.

>>54502685
That'd be great if Smashfucker was actually that common. He was more a sign of how bad the game had gotten, he was rarely feilded because he was ass in every manner but being unkillable

>>54502718
They're cool?

They are good mobile firing platforms, good for recon, etc.

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>>54502686
Reminds me of this mad fucker.
>you use combat drugs do you, eldar?
>that's cute
>now get on our fucking level

>>54502685
Ah yes, especially his Cataphracii Terminator incarnation.

Smashfucker
KEYWORDS:
Character, Terminator, Biker, Captain

>>54502718
They were invented when 40k was far more tongue-in-cheek than it is now. Now they are a relic of the bygone glory days that are struggling to find a niche.

How would you stereotype players of the various space marine chapters and factions (Loyalist and Chaos)? Or is there much of a difference between a Salamander play and an Iron Hand player or an Emperor's Children player and a Thousand Sons player?

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>>54501603
Black Templars

>>54502655
Same as Mortal wounds desu. Only GK, nids and a few other lists can truly bring the pain reliably and still maintain efficacy instead of crutching a gimmick.
Remember he is a character and WILL have a retinue.
>>54502713
This, some people were just overly intimidated by him.

>>54502718
Chicks dig motorcycles? Also, dudes dig jetbike.

>>54502735
>Raptor's character can't infiltrate Primaris, sadly.
Think I'm missing something, but did Issodon get FAQ'd, cause he was able to.

>>54502668
>Anon doesn't realise it's FW: The post
Like seriously there are so many forgeworld units that would be so popular if you didn't have to live in nottingham to be charged only an arm and a leg, as opposed to your firstborn son.

>>54502784
There's definitely a huge difference between the types of CSM players

>>54502655
>>54502688
Yeah, unless you were CW:E or imperial Knights, getting a ton of D wasn't exactly easy. And in a lot of cases impossible without LoW or allies.

>>54502620
>>54502605
>>54502587
Also, how exactly are you dealing those mortal wounds out? Aside from smite he's still a character, so you'd have to get him up front ALL of your stuff that can do it. Which is not happening in games, ever. You put him in front of your guys when there's a bucket of heavy artillery in front of them, soak up that fire, and laugh as the 130 point character absorbs 1500 points of fire and scoots on like nothing happened

>>54502784
>stereotypes
boring

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>>54502718
the 80s were cool plus motorcycles are cool therefore 40k can be even cooler

>>54502668
not everyone has access to forgeworld but yeah, they are damn cool and powerful

>>54502513
yup, that's how it goes. my poor boy skulltaker lost his option to take a chariot in 6th and now his bloodcrusher in 8th

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STILL THE CHAMP OF BEST LOOKING HELMET