Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

So, seeing as fate of konor starts this week, what are you guys running for it? What side are you fighting for, and what's your fluff behind how your army got involved?

Also, who do you all expect to win it over all

>>54498359
Spiky Elves, almost exclusively jetbikes and hellions, Imperium, because fuck Slaanesh in missionary position for the purpose of procreation with the lights off while holding hands.

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Anyone else pleasantly surprised with how vigorously GW is shutting down WAAC players?
Quick FAQs
Bantz on their FB
Tourneyfags are no longer writing their articles

Still salty about losing the roster builder though.

>>54498407
I am pleased they're fucking listening.
Now just need a price bump on Guilliman and guard artillery...

>>54498359
Blood ravens, fluffing it as just another act to prove our loyalty after the events of DoW2: retribution. I'll be taking my second company list with some 1st and 10th company support, but that mostly means I'll be bringing more balanced all-arounder list focused a bit more on shooting, since my 2nd company uses UM tactics.
Konor's also gotten me to magnetize all my dudes, and holy hell I wish I had done this earlier. So easy, yet makes getting pure WYSIWYG such an ease

>>54498384
>because fuck Slaanesh in missionary position for the purpose of procreation with the lights off while holding hands.
Lewd, even for the Deldar

>>54498421
Remove Girlyman, preferably with something unambiguous.

>>54498438
Not a chance in the world that's happening.
He definitely needs a points increase though, he should definitely be in the 400-500 point range

>>54498455
Definitely agreed, if it oneshots knights it shouldn't cost half as much as one. Not to mention absurd army buffs.

>>54498464
He costs a bit more than half a knight, closer to 2/3rds.
It's great that he plays exactly how a primarch should, but it's also completely ridiculous that he's one the best primarchs out side of magnus (and russ and horus from HH) and also one of the cheapest

>>54498421
Guilliman is uncounterable bullshit. I feel like Guard artillery is something the meta should shift around a little.

BUT if they changed something it should just be to tone down Manticores somehow.

>>54498483
No, because they're are thousands of reasons to explain why that might happen. Maybe everyone but dave ducked down, maybe dave jumped in the way of a bullet to protect his serge or HW guy, maybe your dides just said "fuck dave."
It's a wargame, you have to be able to use your imagination to be able to fill in the gaps between the game's abstractions and the actual fluff

>>54498359
I was thinking of running four boys in a landraider

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>>54498407

MFW my WAAC list was not touched

>>54498482
Knights go from ~300 for absolute barebones to 700+ for Battletech amounts of gun.

>>54498407
Roster Builder lost the chance to work with GW when he put up a patreon.

>>54498507

DESU i feel the best explanation is "Dave on the front died, everyone else piled in to fill up the gap"

>>54498495
He's far far far from uncountable.
Orks have tankhammers, GSC have PSGS, marines have null zone, CSM have magnus and infernal gaze, nids have the swarmlord and GS, ad mech have electro-preists.
Most armies have ways of dealing with him, he's just too cheap for what he does, so taking him lut still means you have 1640 points worth of stuff to deal with, and him again

>>54498542
DESU I didn't like having to argue over who's closest everytime my units got shot at.

>>54498535
Out of curiosity what is your waac list?

>>54498577
>inb4 300 conscripts with reboot gigabyte

If like two valks filled with units, along with more flying crap.
Do I auto lose if all my models are up in air?

>>54498577
MSU nobz in nauts

>>54498421
Arty is fine. We're already paying 200+ for a fucking Russ do something about that.

>>54498608

If by the end of a turn that's all you have on the field and didn't disembark any of the stuff, yes

>>54498577

Can't spoil it yet, cash prize tournament coming up and some other players are fa/tg/uys

>>54498541
>Spouting memes
The 40k battlescribe data is down as well. Good thing they didn't have a non-specified content creation patreon, right? At least we know GW didn't have issues with the creators blog.
Enjoy not having battlescribe since you faggots didn't speak up about the roster builder.

>>54498655
>Monetizing another company's IP and being C&D'd for it
>A meme

(you)

Does fly confer any other bonuses besides moving over units?

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Nth for sharing leaks as battle-brothers

>>54498655
Battlescribe has an option to pay for it.

>>54498359
Depending on how much painting I get done this week and how much of my stuff arrives in the mail:

Kabal of the Black Adder and Storm Hawks Space Marines. The latter is obviously defending Konor, but the former is too if only because if Chaos wins they'll make worse slaves.

Definitely betting on the Imperium to win it all.

>>54498715
Here's hoping every army gets an extra page's worth of relics on top of the old ones

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I want to turn this into a Slaaneshi dreadnought of sorts. Forgeworld is fine in my playgroup so it will allow me to make it a "Counts-as" for anything in either Chaos Index.

Which does it make more sense as:
Decimator due to the fact that the Decimator is a Daemon?
Leviathan due to scale?
Helbrute because reasons?
Something else?

Also, any tips on the conversion?

>>54498407
Super happy. No one is a WAACfag at the store I play, but still it's nice to see.

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Why do old Ork armies have swastikas? Was it an Ork symbol at one point in lore?

Carbines or Knives on the Rievers? I've bought 2 boxes, so I could technically have a unit of each?

Carbines for thinning down the herd, Knives for fucking up the leftovers?

>>54498713
Appearantly why couldn't they just make it a keyword it allows them to fallback, shoot and charge.

>>54498715

Do relics have a points cost elsewhere in the book?

Is this question hour for autists at the moment or something?

>>54498713
Validating my three Hydras

>>54498715
So, it looks like the best ones are the shield eternal for being 15 points for a 3++ while halfing all damage and the teeth of terra, for being an S:+1, AP -3, D2 weapon that gives d3 extra attacks for fucking 0 points

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So I think I'd like to look at a flyer for my Dark Eldar down the line, but I haven't played since 3rd ed when they werent a think. Are there any particular pros or cons between the two? I was leaning towards the Bomber.

>>54498757
Doubtless a section just for them after the melee and ranged weapons point indexes

>>54498757
I think it costs a command point.

>>54498495
Just make sure to take something that vomits mortal wounds from afar.

>>54498757
You pay cheese pizza for them.

Discuss:
Why there is no real movie/series/show based on 40k, blessed by GW?
Ultramarines notwithstanding.

GO

>>54498757
You get one relic for free, replacing what wver you need to as per what the relic says. 1 extra is 1 CP, 2 extra is 3 CP.
You can't stack relics

>>54498747
>and charge.

Source?

FLY only gives you permission to shoot after Falling Back.

>>54498760
I assume that text refers to the base stats and does not apply to modified stats profiles.

>>54498747

It really does feel like not all flying units should have gotten that one.

Like Seraphim? Sure, they used to have Hit and Run.

Crisis Suits? Screw you, being bad at melee is kinda your thing and you can just ignore it.

>>54498747
>Appearantly why couldn't they just make it a keyword it allows them to fallback, shoot and charge.
It is a keyword
It doesn't let you charge.

There are 10 pages of rules guys. Its not hard

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Just saw the Dev commentary in the FAQ section.
Characteristics can be modified by abillities, wargear and psychic powers.

If you give Girlyman +1 to his wound characteristic with the warlord trait he RaW loses his character immunity to sniping.

>>54498686
>>Monetizing another company's IP and being C&D'd for it
What allows battle report channels on youtube to get away with it and even receive books to review from GW themselves?

>>54498438
give him +1W too
*wink wink*

>>54498757
Apparently you can take 1 relic per list or detachment or something, it replaces wargear you've already bought but it doesn't cost more points than that.

>>54498407
>>54498535
You posted this exact same shit yesterday, samefag.

>>54498655
>enjoy not having battlescribe
That's what I'm doing. It's hilarious how many people used that thing as a crutch.

>>54498793
>you can just ignore it.
I might have liked it if FLY only lets you Fall Back and Shoot if the unit(s) you were Falling Back from didn't have Fly.

>>54498760
Guilliman can't take the +1 wound Warlord trait, all unique chapter characters are locked into their chapter's straits

>>54498786
Because gw doesn't trust anyone

>>54498745

>>54498741

>>54498806
That's too much of a nerf. A decent points cost increase and/or a loss/nerf of one or more of his auras is ample.

>>54498805
They got it as a gift or paid for it (including the models they're playing with).
Roster Builder did none of that.

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I'm using a Terminator Inquisitor and I was wondering a few things. I was thinking of deepstriking him in with a 10 man Scion squad so they could do some damage and also take bullets for him first. But if I wanted to put him in a transport, what are some transports besides the Land Raider that specify that they can take Terminator models? Also would there be any benefit to walking him up the field?

>>54498800
See
>>54498820

>>54498792
As the guy spamming that.
I get the common sense assumption, but I do NOT like the wording GW puts on this.
>Why not just say printed, original or unmodified value?
>everything is characteristics. Some are more characteristics than others.

>>54498805
Partnerships and the fact that they are not providing entire codexes worth of rules for free.

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>That faggot at GW who keeps reeeeing at the Blood Ravens being a Thousand Sons successor

Why do they keep denying this? It makes them actually awesome and explains why they covet information so much

>>54498820
Oh. I did not know that.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
i wonder if this interaction will come up again at a later date though.

>>54498800
That's hilarious. Can't wait for the local Ultrafag to fall into that particular trap (which he will, because he's a closet WAACfag that doesn't understand the rules and constantly thinks he found a new loophole)

>>54498793
>Crisis had jump shoot jump
>shouldn't ignore melee

lel

>>54498839
GW have brainfarted retarded amounts of times this edition. And they fucking keep on doing it lmao

Which army has the strongest fliers?

I like jets.

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>>54498810

>You posted this exact same shit yesterday
And?

>samefag
LOL

>>54498860
also, they could buy Vectored Retro-Thrusters, which gave them...

...hit & run and fleet

>>54498853
Because of their autistic licence

>>54498856
Seems girlyman is locked into the +40~% Command points per game Warlord trait.
A shame.

>>54498853
That faggot would be ADB, who at one point insisted they're actually black legion succesors IIRC despite that making no sense, and got butthurt when people called him out on it. He's also an all around major faggot and chaos fanboy, who fucked up the lore big time with MoM, gives no shits about turing HH into therapy for his daddy issues and is generally a mediocre writer who for some reason was at one point hailed as one of the best at BL.
Does someone have the screncap?

>>54498883
Oh trust me, that won't stop him.

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>>54498869
sure is hard to open paint and eyedropper tool

AdMech players, show me your 2000 point lists.

>>54498889
Why is ADB a faggot? Everything he's written for HH and CSM is god tier for BL.

Necron Warriors and Immortals really shred things don't they?

Those AP scores are scary, making MEQs save at 5+

Anybody uploaded the Shroud of Night novel yet?

Let's say I have a decently balanced 1500pts of troops, cc and some tanks.

where should my final 500pts go?

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>>54498907
>Everything he's written for HH and CSM is god tier for BL.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ha

>>54498729
I'm cautiously hopeful about other armies, Kelly does wonders if he likes/understands the army, but if not you get fucked.

I imagine
>bargain-brand SM flavors, grey Knights, CWE, inquisition, death guard, and maybe chaos
Will all get really cool stuff virtually guaranteed.

>DEldar, harlequins, GAC, Tau, orcs, and deathwatch
Will likely get good stuff too, albeit to a lesser degree

>sisters (and ecclesiarchy stuff), Knights, guard, necrons
Will likely get precious little relicy-stuff, though stratagems will likely be a different story (especially guard and crons)

Unaligned traitor legions and Admech and are a total crapshoot, it always seems to come down to if the writers like the faction. So 50% chance badass, 50% floating off into oblivion

the trouble with Admech is the models are selling like hot cakes regardless of how good/bad they perform, so GW isn't giving them the special incentives that, say, primaris are getting. Same deals as Nids effectively- who cares as long as they buy.

But with nu-GW who knows, my fists are sitting happy so fuck all y'all

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>>54498913
Why bother given that it's yet more Khorne wank

>>54498924
Ravenguard Stormravens

>>54498889
It's just that The First Heretic and Betrayer were pretty cool books and people liked Argel Tal. He wrote Lorgar well enough for my liking and the interactions between Argel Tal and Kharn or Kharn and Angron were enjoyable.

>>54498935
Stay mad Celestinefag

>>54498924
Stuff like fliers or other exotic choices you normally wouldn't take in a small scale game. Named characters if you're in to that kind of thing.

>>54498913
It was uploaded a few threads back, check the archive for the mediafire link.

>>54498943
I don't give a shit about Celestine, I was excited about Alpha Legion finally being in the spotlight, only for LMAO BUT HERE COMES KHARN XDDD

>>54498948
>other exotic choices you normally wouldn't take in a small scale game
Such as?

Army is marines btw. I'd prefer to stay fluffy and not have a Baneblade knocking around, but if it's seriously worth doing then I might.

>>54498762
How about 3 CIB and multitracker to prevent overcharge?

>>54498889

I read his first night lords book on reccomendation from a bunch of people saying he was great, and he completely forgot to give the characters motivation or even a reason to live. The night lords as depicted by ADB are just depressing murderhobos flying around killing people because... It's what they do.

This would be acceptable from a Khorne warband, who at least love slaughter and revel in it. Those guys have a built in motivation: Raw bloodlust.

>>54498924

Find out what your meta runs that you have problems handling

Use the 500pt to counter it.

>>54498772
The voidraven bomber is amazing. The first time I used it I lucked out and killed an entire unit of immortals in the first movement phase. The missiles are pretty good, and you have better lascannons or 2d3 blaster shots coming out of it.

>>54498960
>Book that promises to be about Alpha Legion turns out to be about Khârn

Somehow I feel like we should have expected something like this ...

>>54498907
>Everything he's written for HH and CSM is god tier for BL.
Kek, not at all.
Does anyone have the master of mankind screencap. You know the one

>>54498982
I think their motivation was survival, anon.

>>54498772
I wanted to ask this. The bomber seems pretty good, any de players can say if it's worth?

>>54498786
Money

>>54498984
my meta is pretty all over the place, honestly. it's a huge, busy place that only has 4 40k tables and about 150 active 40k players so if I ever book a table it'll be against someone completely random who I might not see again for months if not longer. which is why I'm looking for a jack-of-all-trades sort of army

>>54498993

Then let me loop back to that he also didn't give them a reason to live.

>>54498924
>>54498964
Post the list as you have it right now please

>>54498982
Thats actually a problem with Night Lords. They're all so nihilistic that they motivations range from looting to survive to getting revenge for their primarch.

>>54498943

What happened with Celestine?

>>54499016
Kharn raped her

>>54498971
1 ML already does that. 4 CIBs are better or 3 CIBs with ATS

>>54499005
Do you really need a reason to live? I think that's sort of the default mode, unless someone offs you or you an hero.

>>54499016
Beheaded by Kharn

>>54499016
Jobbed to Kharne/Khorne faggotry because Khorne is never allowed to lose ever

>>54499024

Still resses on 2+

>>54498772
Bomber's shit because you pay for missiles and it has worse missiles.

>>54499031
>>54499032
So Kharn>Celestine>Abaddon
Oh wow!

>>54499016
Finally had her beheading fetish fulfilled.

>>54498746
thoughts on this? not poster but I don't really know how to go either

>>54499031
>>54499032

Seriously? That is really disappointing.

>>54499011

The same Primarch who just kinda went "eeeeeeehhhhh fuck it I don't even caaaaaaaaare" after the heresy, then let an assassin kill him with only a half hearted "This proves me right" comment?

>>54499032
Quote for that? Im interested in how it went.

>>54499032
Mad Celestinefag is mad. You're waifu a shit.

>>54499046
>Hah I'll just commit suicide by proxy, that'll show dad it's not 'just a phase' !

No wonder ADB is a fan of Nightlords ...

>>54498964
I don't think a Baneblade is TOO unfluffy, you're all imperial after all. Knights would be also something to consider.

But yeah, post the army.

>>54499059
Not even mad about her dying so much as I'm bored to tears of Kharn and Khorne always being the major focus of everything. It's a fucking blessing that Nurgle and the Death Guard somehow became the new starter set

>>54499045
It's a book about Chaos. As a fan of Celestine and Sisters in general, I'm not surprised or disappointed really. It's about time GW did something ballsy and have a named character kill another named character, even if she can come back.

>>54499039
The bombing run is pretty good and dark scythes kind of annihilate TEQs and multi wound shit.

>>54499032

Who actually wins of the pair in a TT fight? I've not looked at his 8th ed stats.

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>Khârn refers to Celestine as "the angel" in Shroud of Night (2017)
>'There was only ever one Angel,' growled Khârn, his voice rising to a shout,'and he was red!' -Khârn, Black Crusade: Traitor's Hate (2016)

>>54499046
Yes. The only difference is half of them liked Curze, half of them liked the Night Haunter. They're the most uncaring traitor legion mostly in it for the spooks.

>>54498686
Battlescribe has a payment option as well and makes money from ads
Invalid shill, try again later when more people of your IQ are on

>>54499043
Classic BL writing. Women character end with mental domination fetish or beheaded.

>>54499073
I don't know, man. World Eaters instead of Death Guard would have been awesome.

>>54499032

No see, if a character can ressurect, they'll die every time they have a story focus on them.

See also Magnus getting his ass handed to him in the campaign that released his model.

Mark my words, Mortarion will die in the fluff release when his model drops, then get an epilogue where he wakes up on a daemon world and goes "That doesn't count because I respawn and also did a big of damage before being slapped down like a bitch."

>>54499076
It's also once per game and you can buy more lances/blasters on pretty much anything for the same cost. It's inefficient.

>>54499045
>>54499032

While it'd be nice to see Celestine get a couple of high profile victories over some other named characters, pretty much no one should be beating Kharn in a straight fight short of Primarch tier characters. He's supposed to be the best at that kind of thing, no shame jobbing to him.

The real problem is she won't get another book any time soon where they let her get a win in against someone more appropriate.

>>54499074

I'm vaguely annoyed mostly because I was hoping for a good showing at least considering she was kicking the shit out of greater daemons in the big event.

>>54498343
Alright, Admech player here, I would like to take another look at Rangers;

So, after playing some games in 8th only using Vanguard, I'm starting to feel a little... Iffy on their total superiority to Rangers.

The problems that I have encountered mostly have to do with their lack of range, and how quickly they die. So far, almost every game I've played, my Vanguard die horribly, and quickly. Sure, the Assault 3 is amazing; but its 18" range means that to make the best of it, you need to push up the board. Plus the +6 D2 isn't exactly great against occasionally spamming to death Terminators or light vehicles.

Meanwhile, the ranger's 30" range lets them stay back and safely contribute to the fight without needing to leave cover. The Str 4 gives you better killing power against Guard and Marines, and -1 ap on a six is good as well. I think their almost doubled range makes up for their lack of the additional shots, since you can shoot safely for longer, and with a higher chance to kill.

>>54499011
>>54498982

Nah their motivation is explained (rather briefly) but it boils down to feelings of resentment for being part of the unstable Night Lords legion tasked with one of the worst jobs of the Crusade and led by a father who hated himself, his son and everything in the galaxy.

None of the Night Lords truly believe victory is possible, all they want is to destroy the entire galaxy because they are good at it, they dont know anything else and they only have each other to do it.

You could easily argue these are pretty stupid reasons for 10,000 years of hatred and degeneracy but I would say its at least better than "Chaos made me do it!"

>>54498901
>Get BTFO
>Deflect with photoshop claim
-5/10, fox news is hiring.

>>54499081

Whoever gets the charge, so most likely celestine.

>>54499107
>While it'd be nice to see Celestine get a couple of high profile victories over some other named characters, pretty much no one should be beating Kharn in a straight fight short of Primarch tier characters. He's supposed to be the best at that kind of thing, no shame jobbing to him.

It's less 'Lost to Kharn' and more 'This is literally the only showing she's gotten where she got a duel'. 40k runs a lot on wrestling logic. While there isn't shame losing to the champ, if you don't get ANY wins it's not any good.

I'd like to see her go up against something big and scary. Like a named greater daemon. Something where 'I shit holy power' gives her an advantage but it's still a hell of a fight.

>>54499119
>Nah their motivation is explained (rather briefly) but it boils down to feelings of resentment for being part of the unstable Night Lords legion tasked with one of the worst jobs of the Crusade and led by a father who hated himself, his son and everything in the galaxy.
>motivation of the characters in an ADB novel is "fuck you dad, you made my life shit"
Not even suprised

>>54499119
The Emperor really cut corners when making marines didn't he?

They are worst than teenagers.

>>54499006
Mephiston 145
Sanguinary Priest 69 pts
10 Tac Squad + Rhino (Sb and) + Heavy Flamer + Flamer 226 pts
10 Tac Squad + Las Cannon + Meltagun 172 pts
Lemartes 129pts
10 Jump Death Company + PFist + 4 inferno pistols 300 pts
5 Jump Death Company + 4 Hand Flamer 140

LasPred 202pts
Whirlwind + Vengeance Missiles 124ps
1506pts total

>>54499119
I laughed hard when Octavia told Talos that his primarch's actions and his entire legion were immature.

>>54499134
Couldn't Celestine simply flame his ass from the air? I mean Celestine can fly, while Kharn can just angrily shoot the sky and swing his axe.

Did they basically pull an Abaddon with Celestine?

>>54499144
Some of the legions were arguably set up to fail by the Emps, maybe as part of his pact with Chaos to create the primarchs.

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guys I need help.

long story short my dad loves the 40k universe but never plays because he has agoraphobia, and he wants me to start playing since he has so many models he can't do anything with.

I'm interested, it sounds fun, so I'm starting off with some kind of in-store campaign that starts Saturday (it's a big event just can't remember the name).

I'm playing tyranids because I love legion of everblight and eldrazi and they seem **vaguely** similar. So I have that Start Playing set and that's it to work with for now.

my only question is how do I become competitive? I want to win these things. I have background playing many other games competitively so I don't need that rundown, but where's the best place to A. learn the metagame/what's good now, and B. good/optimal/sound strategy?

thanks tg

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Do Space Marine planets have PDFs and Arbites or do they just use Space Marines? Hmm.

Wait

Kharn kills quote unquote Celestine? Celestine with imperial faith could 1v1 Abandon with chaos powers indefinitely.

But Kharn is defeated by Abby? Que?

>>54499144

The simple fact is that the Emperor never really intended to save all of the Primarchs. He just spent so much of his time making them he figured he'd use up losers like Angron and Curze until he got dispose of them later, otherwise why the fuck is it even necessary to have these two legions? Why on earth would you need Night Lords when you can do speed speed with the White Scars or stealth stealth with the Dark Angels? Why the close combat with World Eaters twhen Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Salamanders are there AND are mentally stable?

The only logical explanation is that the Emperor really doesnt care and does lots of short sighted things for expedience. Unfortunately while this makes him more human, it makes him seem like a complete retard.

>>54498910
Sure. But never rely on them.
Warrior spam kills MEQ's somewhat reliably but are very inefficient against most things else. Like devestators, deepstrike chargers and more.

Plastic sisters fucking when

I want an army to go with my celestine but they all look like complete shit compared to her

>>54499167

More a Wolverine. If you have regeneration or 'I didn't REALLY die' powers, you are a primary choice for showing a foe is For Serious Yo by having them kick your ass.

>>54499158

lol I recall some petty imperial governor being more confused than scared over them being here. As in why they would actually waste the fuel and resources to even bother destroying their colony. The novel I think captures the essence of the Night Lords pretty well... terrifying but so completely petty, aimless and with extremely low expectations of even themselves.

>>54499175
>Blood Angels,
>mentally stable

>>54499183
>Plastic sisters fucking when

Now
https://spikeybits.com/2016/05/grishnaks-new-plastic-sister-models-we-update.html

>>54499170
>Playing 40k competitively
Don't.

It's more about the Hobby and Your Dudes.
If you want to win tournaments, you'll be doing what you do in MTG: buying a new $300+ army/deck that relies on the newest broken unit/card that will be needed/out-of-standard in a year.

The only difference with Warhams is you need to take the time to paint and model your guys and not just sleeve some cards.

If you want to be a competitive player, but not necessarily WAAC, Tyranid swarms work well enough.

>>54499174

Short answer: It depends

Long answer: Those who care about running worlds like the Ultramarines have planetary PDFs and administrations. Most chapters own a deathworld and dont bother to do anything except cull recruits or stop a planet devestating invasion.

>>54499107
Azrael did a pretty good job against him in that audio book with the cool art. I mean yes he does come off the worse of the two but considering he suddenly finds himself in a 1v1 vs Kharn the fact he's able to walk away from it after having landed a few decent blows himself is impressive.

>>54499183
>Plastic sisters when

Never otherwise I'd have started an army of them too. Just pick another faction. Sisters will never get new models no matter how much GW says they're "passing the feedback to their design team".

>>54499170
Don't come to /40kg/ for good competitive gaming advice, for starters. Check out the aos-tactics site, a lot of what is written there also applies to 40k. Blood of Kittens has army lists from a few tournaments and should have a dedicated page to 8e tourney lists soon.

>>54499170
>my dad loves 40k
>never gets to play
>therefore logically I should go win tournaments at the local store
How about you play games with your dad you fuckhead.

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>>54499174
If they bought the Adobe Reader, sure

>>54499223
It's bait, friendo.

Question

How well does a modern 40k (pre primaris) chapter marine compare to the old astartes legionnaries?

>>54499202
Compared to the nails in the head gang they're paragons of mental health and wellbeing.

>>54499098
I really hope those are Mortarion's exact words.

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>>54499212
Those are fucking hideous

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>duel between two characters that resurrect after death
>people give a shit AT ALL

>>54499231
Well if you're the DA almost 1:1

>>54499183
They missed the opportunity twice!
GW simply hates SoB, but love their IP. So they won't let them die.

10th will come and go and the same models from 20 years ago will still be on sale.

Is there anywhere to buy slightly cheaper than GW on Europe besides wayland?

>>54499231
Depends on the book/source, but signs point to "badly." The greatest SM of all time was Sigismund, followed by the other 30k captains (the chaos ones are still overwhelming.)

>>54498800
you can't give Girlyman that warlord-trait, I believe. In the section with all the special warlord-traits for all the chapters it says that a named character from such a chapter MUST take the appropriate warlord-trait. So he will always potentially refund your spend command points on a 5+

>>54499175
You forget the simple fact that the Emperor did not expect the Primarchs would get flung throughout the Galaxy.

He had plans for every single one, and had prefectly mapped their growth and responsibilities. When Chaos stepped in to fuck him, the Emperor had to delay his plans for the Webway portal until he could find Magnus. And he had to maintain a constant presence in the Great Crusade until he found all his sons and could then delegate the work.

Curze was not supposed to be a sadistic killer. He was supposed to become the leader of the Imperial cops. Guilliman was supposed to be a statesman. Sanguinius was supposed to be the poster boy of the Imperium, which is why he was the only primarch who had wings.

Everything that happened to the primarchs and what they became was not of the Emperor's original intent.

Please understand the lore before you comment on it.

>>54499183

Its just economics

SOB have die hard fans but if it was profitable for GW to do it, don't you think they would?

>>54499134
>Like a named greater daemon
Might as well bane an Avatar of Khaine while shes at it. Greater Daemons have be the jobbing target of choice to show how stronk a character is.

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>>54499262
How was it profitable to create tens of thousands of dollar molds for 2 plastic models that will only ever be sold at new store openings?

>>54499213
>mtg
okay yeah fuck that, I was afraid it'd be a similar system of buy-the-broke-shit but WORSE since gw sets prices. So okay, have a good time with my bros, sounds good.

Is there a list of retarded shit to not do then? this game makes me go catatonic with option selecting cause of how open ended it is. With card games or fighting games you only have so many possible plays, but like, it seems so easy to misplay here by moving like 1° off

>>54499262
Third parties think it is profitable enough to make them.
I mean they are risking money in what GW consider a dead market.

>>54499228
Darn, bamboozled again. Now I've got the ruse blues.

>>54499187
>More a Wolverine. If you have regeneration or 'I didn't REALLY die' powers, you are a primary choice for showing a foe is For Serious Yo by having them kick your ass.

Except Kharn has regeneration and reincarnation. Yet he's only died... once?

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anyone leaked the new SM codex yet?

>>54498655
>The 40k battlescribe data is down as well

it isnt though is it?

https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/issues/929

>>54499275

Point taken. I was trying to think of something full of overt chaos powers to make a decent foe. Somehow I don't think they are going to let her kick the shit out of Magnus or anything like that.

>>54499297
Yeah.

>>54499223
He really only paints and converts

>>54499291
Named characters that can die, are basically pre-Aldari crap Eldars, IG, Church, Inquisition and Orks
Everyone else has a way to cheat death.

>>54498464

To be fair oneshotting a knight with rerolling to hit/to wound power fists isn't really that ridiculous, a unit of termies standing next to guilliman could probably do it too

>>54499284
>Is there a list of retarded shit to not do then?

Honestly a lot of it is simply just playing and getting a feel for your army. As you said sometimes you'll move your troops 1inch to the right when you should have gone left and pay for it, but thats part of the game, and in practice situations like that are pretty rare.

>>54499287
Backyard resin casting for a few die-hard fans and enough new plastic kits for a global release are two different things, anon.

>>54499253
I use Dark Sphere in the UK, and I think they deliver to mainland Europe too. Not quite as cheap as Wayland, but they don't pull shenanigans like Wayland do.

>>54499291
Khârn doesn't have reincarnation, last time he died Khorne sent him back because he was so impressed by his slaughtering prowess.

It's Lucius that can't be killed.

>>54499281
My bet is that they were originally meant to be regular releases, but got scuttled when GW decided to do Primaris.

>>54499327
>a unit of termies standing next to guilliman could probably do it too
Except for not ONLY can Guilliman wreck a Knight on his own. He can buff a unit of Terminators to wreck a SECOND Knight.

That's the issue I've seen 3ith Guilliman. Is he provides a FUCK ton of utility, is durable as can be, is dead killy on his own, AND a 9W character, so he can't even be focused.

>>54499281
probably a combination of discount deals to get the mold done and using it as "get it for 1 day only at warhammer world" where people come and impulse buy other stuff

it more advertising than direct profit

>>54499284
Not really. It's never as down to the wire or every inch matters as a game like Infinity.

Just build a list that has a bit of everything: anti-vehicle, anti-horde, anti-character and some stuff to hold objectives. Tailor it to your personal play style or tastes (High mobility, specialist units, hordes, artillery, vehicles, etc.) and you'll have a good time. The most important part is enjoying the army you choose because you'll probably spend more time painting and assembling than actually playing until you get a big enough collection.

Warhammer 40k is also a bit more forgiving now in that you can reroll a lot thanks to command points and what not.

>>54499212
Do not link clickbait sites
Do not visit clickbait sites
Do not shill clickbait sites

>>54499343
>shadowar
After that horrible release. I'm not even sure GW knows they are a global company.

>>54499355
>last time he died Khorne sent him back because he was so impressed by his slaughtering prowess.
>Last time he died.
>Khârn doesn't have reincarnation,

Sounds like so long as he keeps Khorne impressed he can't die.

>It's Lucius that can't be killed.

Any servant of Chaos is immortal. So long as their patron chooses to bring them back.

>>54499316
link?

>>54499354
>but they don't pull shenanigans like Wayland do

like?

>>54499025
But with MT you get to overcharge to s8 without having to worry about 1s
Missile pods are just s7, no?
2+ to wound MEC sounds better than -2 over -1 ap

Plastic sisters in September

you heard it here first

>>54498889
>who at one point insisted they're actually black legion succesors IIRC despite that making no sense,

Now hold on. During Retribution Abaddon takes a keen interest in the Blood Ravens and seeing them destroyed. So if they were descendents from the Sons of Horus/Lunar Wolves that would explain that.

>>54499385
That reminds me. Which of the two major i.e. not fucking 1d4chan wikis are we meant to not use? I remember some moaning that one of them was doing shady/clickbaity linking or something, but can't remember which.

>>54499389
Shadow War was a gimmick to sell the new terrain pieces in a package, they didn't expect the demand with 8e around the corner, and now SW is gone like the fad it was.

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>>54499400

>>54499405
>During Retribution Abaddon takes a keen interest in the Blood Ravens and seeing them destroyed. So if they were descendents from the Sons of Horus/Lunar Wolves that would explain that.

Or if they were the loyal remains of any traitor legion. As Abaddon is deluded enough to think that all the Traitor Legion marines should either
A) be dead
or
B) bend knee to him.

>>54499400
You can end up waiting months for your order because Wayland orders in bulk and if they're sold out, well, tough shit you gotta wait until they have enough customers for a new bulk order.

>>54499404
I'll be sure to quote you when it doesn't happen.

>>54499372
Yeah I love painting/modeling and the amount of customization it gives. I'm gonna make my dudes blood red with white bone plating, which'll probably be a pain in the ass, but unlike strategy I'm actually pretty well-versed in painting having played a bit of iron kingdoms stuff and painted a ton of that/warhammer/40k for fun

>>54499401
so does having 1 ML on the target, which is a better investiment than losing 1 weapon or ATS

>>54499410
I always use Lexicanum. Warhammerwiki seemed like a 1d4chan light last time I checked.

>>54499417
>GSC
>Admech
Nop, every time they release something different they understock.

It is like they do not understand their customers want something else beside marines.

>>54499410
I know the 40k wikia is shit

>>54499410
Lexicanum includes proper citations, but will edit and change information.
the 40k wiki is largely straight copy+paste, but they're thrown together without much thought and the citations are nonexistent/garbage

Both are fine for getting a general look at shit, but tracking down the source material and reading it is always the best answer.

>>54499404
Plastic Thunderhawk the week before.

>>54499450
Better to have niche factions sell out than to have massive amounts of unsold kits.

>>54499404
Along with great coat guardsmen!

>>54499484
No. The plastic sisters will be wearing great coats over their power armour!

>>54499502
they will have plastic thunderhawks as their dedicated transports

>>54499422
They don't fucking ever deliver, as the other replies said. They won't ever say something is out of stock until you've ordered it. I recently ordered 6 paints from them and they delivered each one in a massively oversized box which wouldn't fit through any letterbox so I had to collect each single pot from the post office. Thereby negating any discount I might of gotten from 'free postage'

>>54499151
A land raider crusader ir redeemer and termies wouldn't be a bad choice, it's a great centerpiece model and can add a durable unit that will require a ton of firepower to kill, something you're currently missing.
If not that, then maybe some devs with missile launchers and another preadator ir two? RAW Bangles, yiffs and Dangles can use the C:SM stratagems, so 3 preds would be quite killy, and missle launcher devs are a really good unit

>>54499404
Vect Baron Duke triumvirate in October screen cap this.

>>54499479
Explain SoB then.
That army is the strangest thing ever

Either GW has an over stock from a decade ago and doing a Nintendo to artificially make them look they are running out.
Or they are still making metal models for them.

After looking old metal SoB in the blister and the new ones. I think it is the second option. For one the packages are different and the metal does not look old, nor the same.

Which adds more to the mystery as to why they are keep making models of metal for an unsupported army.

>>54499445
Sure but having markerlights on the target you want isnt always possible

Noob here with no actual experience playing the game. I've struggled for a long time to find a list I'd be willing to spend money on, and I think I've got something put together that sounds fun in terms of fluff, but I have no idea if it's viable. This is mostly cherry-picked units from various books that i want to represent My Dudes. Feedback is appreciated. (I also realize this is all based in 7th edition rules and doesn't work in 8th, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.)

HQ: the Legate Commander (upgraded to Lord Marshall) from the HH Solar Auxilia would make for a great Rogue Trader, equipped with an Archeotech laspistol.

Troops: to keep this simple, let's say I just wanted to put IG veterans (with carapace) into Valkyies to try and represent a modern-day Air Assault unit.

Elites: the Medicae detachment from the Solar Auxilia, so that each Troops unit has a medic and grants Feel No Pain

Fast Attack 1: Tauros Venators with lascannons, sky talon transports.
Fast Attack 2: Vulture gunships, either with punisher gatling cannons or tons of rocket pods.

Heavy Support: Thunderbolt fighters.

I want to fluff this as a high-tech group of Rogue Trader house troops, with the primary mechanic being that everything has to be able to fit in a flying transport because the Rogue Trader will be moving from planet to planet all the time.

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>>54499170
For Tyranids?
Hordes. Big hordes attacking the right target, supported by just a few big monsters.

Use distraction units that look big and scary but actually are really cheap to make your opponent shoot the cheap scary things instead of your important targets.

If you only got the Start collecting set then that means you have the hive Tyrant, 3 warriors and 10 gargoyles, if you wanna be competitive then you have to have a bit more than that.

Hormagaunts and Termagaunts or more gargoyles make for a decent start, Hive guards to deal with vehicles and monsters at range, and a few bigger monsters like the Haruspex, Tyrranofex or what you would like.

A general good advice is this:
Use ripper swarms.
They are cheap, come in addition to other models in many boxes, have a lot of wounds and did I mention they are cheap?

They aren't going to inflict any damage to speak off, but they will burrow up wherever you need them on the field, deny deep striking area, soak up wounds or just stay in front of your important units and shield them from assault and force the opponent to put shots into them.
Small squads usually work the best, and they are troops so it is usually easy to fit them in.
Take Sky slasher swarms if you want fast flying objective takers.


Again, Carnifexes make for nice distractions that soak up shooting and looks big and scary.

If you want a unit that flanks your enemy and also deals damage (unlike ripper swarms) then Raveners are a nice choice.

Many tyranid units gets stronger if their unit number beyond a certain threshhold, which means big squads is a good idea.

Deathspitters with slimer maggots and monstrous rending claws is a decent set up for a close combat Hive Tyrant, with a cannon instead for someone that stays back, but your Hive Tyrand is a boss, it should be up smacking people.

What does Index: Imperium 1 cover that Codex: Space Marines or any future codice doesn't?

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>Gabriel Angelos is the first of the new Warhammer 40,000 character series and is a beautiful model depicted wielding the Daemon hammer God-splitter and armoured in modified Tartaros war-plate. You’ll be able to add this legendary Chapter Master to your forces very soon, and he’s even getting a special rules sheet to represent his unique abilities on the tabletop.

Backflipping Terminators gonna be canon soon.

>>54499533

I think geedubs might be scared of the potential SJW reaction if they tried to hard-squat the only full-female line of 40k.

>>54499533
Both kinds are old stock. That's how much Sisters under performed in the sales dept.
>>54499553
Terminus Ultra, Imperial Space Marine

>>54499533
>Which adds more to the mystery as to why they are keep making models of metal for an unsupported army.

because its cheaper to use existing metal moulds for sisters than invest in a new plastic run for them

you cant just copy paste the moulds from metal to plastic, GW learned that when finecast first came out when they just converted all the old ones to be used with resin

>>54499553
I think they said legion of the damned won't be in any codex

>>54499385
Spikey bits puts the freshest unboxings in my hot little hands
You're probably jealous your channel gets shit views

>>54499557
>Model looks better than the cinematic rendition
Nice

>>54499553
land raider ultra
space marine command tanks

>>54499571
>constantly out of stock
>underperform
I question that mostly because old metal SoB are way different than new ones, even material wise.

>>54499557
Backflipping SUMMERSAULTING leaping half a yard terminators.
Also didn't know Gabriel had a gorilla head.

>>54499557
Looks a lot better grey than it did with that horrendous paintjob. Why can't FW paint faces pfr shit?

So using the new point values we've seen, here's my 2k list. I've got the 3 predators in there to use killshot, and the vindicator because a 135 point T8 tank is actually nice.

HQ:
Captain with axe of medusa
Chaplain

Troops:
5 marines with combi flamer + plasmagun
5 marines with combi flamer + plasmagun
5 scouts with boltguns + heavy bolter

Elites:
Contemptor with kheres
5 cataphractiis, power sword, 2 chainfists, 2 double LC
Apothecary
Relic deimos predator with plasma destroyer, two heavy bolters, storm bolter

Heavy support:
Predator with twin lascannon, heavy bolters, storm bolter
Predator with twin lascannon, heavy bolters, storm bolter
Vindicator with storm bolter

Flyer:
Stormraven with hurricane bolters, twin assault cannon, twin multimelta

Dedicated transport:
Razorback with twin assault cannon and stormbolter
Razorback with twin assault cannon and stormbolter

>>54499557
But can he perform the maneuver steel rain?

>>54499607
Where are the points values?

>>54499557
Tarkus was the real hero

>>54499601
It's the second production run where they massively overestimated the demand for SoB. You'll know they starting production for sisters again when they start showing up in resin instead of metal.

>>54499557
>first of the new Warhammer 40,000 character series

GORGUTZ WHEN

>>54499571
>>54499580
>>54499599
So if I'm not playing ultrasmurfs or Legion of the Damned and I want physical copies I could just stick with Codex: Space Marines and the rulebook? Thanks

On that note, what's the point of Indexes when there are individual codice? For newbies to decide which faction to focus on?

>>54499551
Copied this down, thanks a ton man.

Quick aside, I'm looking at codex xenos now to learn more about tyranids and what my models actually fucking do, how do I know what weapons my models are using? my hive tyrant definitely has a gun and so does one of the Warriors, and I see some guns in the book, but there's no pictures and I have no clue which
I know you get to decide what they use but how do you tell which is which and which one my shit comes with?

>>54499557
>>Gabriel Angelos is the first of the new Warhammer 40,000 character series
What's this? Holy shit, this might mean we'll be getting a bunch of dudes from the lore who don't have rules!
Quick /tg/, what's the number one character who doesn't have a model/rules that you want to see?

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>>54499557
>Blood Ravens have a forgotten primarch and disproportionate amount of psykers
>Chapter Master is a large cyclops

>>54499645
Wazdakka :'(

>>54499642
Their point is that every can play their army un til their codex comes out, most of them are going to take a while. No point in buying it if you are just playing regular marines

>>54499557
Backflips isn't the worst canon to come out of it. All the trust and teamwork was rediculous.

>hey gabe I totally had a vision you crashed ur only ship into planet u should do that
>k willdo

>>54499642
Definitely don't buy the index. It was only there to trick players out of more money.

>>54499632
Why they run out of stock and get new stock then?

Just curious at this point.

>>54499669
Do you really believe that when something is out of stock on the web store, it is really out of stock?

>>54499629
Was in a video review

Predators lost 12 points, vindicators lost 25. Everything else in my list is the same cost as before.

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>>54499645
The baron. I would also accept the duke. Vect can continue hiding in his fortress though.

>>54499659
Ah seems logical

>>54499664
Yeah, obviously got them digitally but just feels like a waste to get when the codex will cover the index and more

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Any other Tau player here bothered by the fact that you can't take Crisis Teams smaller than 3 anymore?
I'm having troubles filling out a Brigade Detatchment at 2k point because almost all choices are super expensive.

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>>54499648

>>54498407
>Anyone else pleasantly surprised with how vigorously GW is shutting down WAAC players?
Yes, but WAAC players aren't being shutdown, only particularly unfluffy builds.

>>54499680
In this case why would you do that?
Is not like marines or something else.

>>54499696
I am. Used to field groups of 2.
But now that we can use lots of commanders, it's not a big deal

>>54499583
Spiky bits founder is a shitbag and steals money as well as eyeing underage boys.

>>54498407
theyre turning their RAI ruleset up to eleven

nobody can be really sure now that the list theyre making will be viable/legal in a few weeks if GW deems it "against the spirit of the game"

its already bad that codexes last like two years (indexes lasted even less time) and now this

prepare for faq/errata hell where RAW means nothing

>>54499690
It is a massive waste. You hit the nail right on the head.
>>54499659
Sad, really. They could have released the data sheets for free like AoS. The only thing nuGW is doing differently is they have learned to kiss while they fuck.
>>54499723
Scarcity creates the illusion of value.

>>54499645
An Angry Marines captain. Other than that... a better sculpted Captain Cortez. That dude has guts and can rip and tear.

>>54499743
I think you are giving too much credit to GW. Specially the company that proudly said they didn't do marketing research.

>>54499731
I just want to have lots of CP
Most other armies can take a brigade and sometimes more at 2k points.

>>54499737
You sure got that FAQ/errata hell part right. I hate to think how confusing it will be for new players in a few months time.

>>54499767
then use firesight marksmen adn sniper drones. cheapest way to get those obligatory elites and heavy support slots for brigade

>>54499607
Where's the third predator?

>>54499644
The instruction manual usually shows which wargear options are which. And a model has the weapon that it says it has at the top of the datasheet, and can replace it or take additional wargear as described in the wargear section.

>>54499765
Never underestimate corporate greed.
>>54499790
I think he's counting the Deimos pred as part of his three.

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>>54499645

>>54499799
Yeah, it has the predator keyword so it works with killshot.

>>54499645
Secutor Dahan. General Grievous Skitarii commander who rides a custom Rhino with quad-Hbolter turret, which has enhanced comms systems to command his troops and is also open enough for him to Swanton Bomb off of it and start butchering things.

Basically has Taser Goad knives as his lower limbs and holds actual weapons in the top pair, plus wristcannon.

>>54499770
yeah they better start having a detailed section about online stuff and faqs in their books

>>54499799
Well GW is trying to re-sell marines with a new hat to marine players.

Their greed is more than clear.

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>>54498343
So I was looking at the Redemptor Dreadnought in the GW store. Spun it around, and saw this on its left leg. How the hell did the guy who built it miss this? Let alone the guy who painted it. Weird, since GW display models are usually pretty flawless in their builds, or at least errors aren't quite as glaring as this.

>>54499645
Lady Malys. I want my vengeful bitch who may or may not have the heart of the laughing god.

>>54499743
let's be honest, unless you want the printed version you don't need to buy them to know what's on the indexes

I read somewhere that drop pods were going down in price. Is that true?

>>54499784
But that just feels WAAC

>>54499828
I saw that too. That's how I noticed the 360 with the open front is a different model.

>>54499828
New Games-Workshop
Are you surprise? The amount of typos and missing stuff from Index is out right insulting.

>>54499866
You're right. Though the knee pads say IV and VII respectively, too, so they haven't tried to make two identical models.

>>54499825
Oh, that's for sure.
>>54499841
You'd be surprised at how many marine players I know at the LGS who have no idea how easy it is to get shit here and who are assblasted about the Imperium I cash grab.

>>54499895
Well they are marine players. Not exactly the brightest of the group.

Any new codex leaks yet? I'd really, really like to see a complete list of the new point costs...

>>54499583
The guy who runs the site is a sleazebag who declares bankruptcy like clockwork, has been involved in payroll infractions and has the most punchable face in the 40k community.

Also I don't have a channel, don't need one. People respect my opinions and advice in real life, I don't need e-peen enhancement.

>>54499553
HQ's on bikes.

Is there a resource where I can play a game online to test out different armies and see what the game is like before committing?

>>54499540
Have you play tested? Do you have friends armies to try?

Before you buy ANYTHIMG make some popsicle stick men and play a few games to see if your list is fun for you. Don't make the mistake of loving a piece of fluff and then finding out your army is nothing at all like that.

>>54499858
Tau has no other cheap heavy support to easily get you a brigade.
Try to get 3 Batallion instead, then

>>54499895
desu GW could have been a lot more explicit when it came to when the codexes were coming out. Still, regular SM are only a part of the armies, I don't think the book itself is a cashgrab. Buying it is just stupid if you know your codex is going to be the first one to come out like it always is

>>54499926
TTS, vassal
>>54499540
8e is vastly different from 7e, be warned.

>>54499828

How can a display model be imperfect?

EASY!

Know who assembles and paints the store demo models? That's right, the store manager.

With all the shit we have to contend with on a daily basis, we have to assemble the demo models and paint them according to a plan devised by GW, so each store's models will have a uniform appearance.

We don't get a lot of pre-painted stuff from the studio or 'Eavy Metal crew, contrary to popular belief.

>>54499926
Popsicle sticks with paper printouts glued to them. Seriously, try it. Quick to make, cheap and fots the size decently.

>>54499828
Only one sarcophagus and Ultramarine transfers only.

Wonder If I can fit a PE pilote in the space of the Sarcophagus. At least the bloody thing would look less generic.

So are these release dates now confirmed?
SM July 29th
GK/CSM August 19th
DG September 23rd?
I can't wait till september...

>>54498786
Because GW always pays bottom dollar.

>>54499935
Yeah.
Ill probably go for 2 battalion.
Didnt think of that.
Thanks, anon.

>>54499959
anon that is from GW website. I'd expect some minimum competence.

Also one man stores are retarded idea on the long run.

>>54499973
No. still unconfirmed but plausible

>>54499973
No.

>>54499517
I have some primaris marines and some hellblasters to buff up the bodies' numbers and get a little more firepower, and some more death company for more deep strike fuckery.

Are terminators worth it? Should they be shooty or choppy? I guess if I'm going crudader/redeemer LR then they would best be choppy since the LR can cover a lot of ground and dish out a lot of dakka.

Or should I go balls nuts and get a shooty knight?

>>54499959
? he was obviously talkin about the pics on the gw website, not an actual store

>>54498786
GW are the vince mcmahon of their industry.

>>54499973
The Space Marine codex is on pre-order and ships on the 29th. The rest is rumor.

>>54499990
They could have photoshopped it out, too.

>>54499767
Most people don't seem to be taking a brigade at 2k even if it's physically possible to.

>>54500027
But command points are fun!
Can't wait for some Tau stratagems!

>>54500014
The other day they said on the gw blog that the GK would be in 'a couple of weeks' so the GK one is going to be wrong

>>54499990
>Also one man stores are retarded idea on the long run.
Why do you think this?

>>54500027
It's because having a lot of command points to spend doesn't count for much when enemy spam is pushing your shit in.

>>54500054
>August 19
>not a couple of weeks from now

So lads I'm torn for my first army

I'm decently well off so money isn't a massive issue
I'm between

>choppy heavy, hit it fast and hard deldar
>parking lot guard
>choppy blood angels

Which would you recommend for fun, painting opportunities and ease of play for a newcomer? I don't care about losing that much, to be honest, as long as I have fun

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>>54499767
>things you can say on /tg/ but not on other boards
>"I just want to have lots of CP"

>>54499919
Spikey bits did not steal anyone's preorder monies. This is a rumor by his detractors on Dakka forums.

Spikey bits is not a registered sex offender. Arrest and conviction is not the same!

>>54500073
a couple of weeks from last weekend is not the 19th are you slow or something?

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>mfw I promised myself I will never make make my second army swarm
>mfw Nids look neat as fuck and Tyranid Swarm box seems to be a great deal

>>54500074
Dark eldar, they're a lot of fun.

Definitely don't play a parking lot, that's not fun at all.

>>54500074
BA will be easier to paint, that's for sure. Also easier to play than dark eldar or mech guard. If you're decently well off, why not all three?
>>54500085
kek

>>54500074
Deldar will be the hardest to paint and play but probably the most rewarding. Blood Angels will be he easiest on both fronts but still fun. I can't speak for parking lot lists.

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>>54500074
elf hedonists in space

>>54500003
>I have some primaris marines and some hellblasters to buff up the bodies' numbers and get a little more firepower, and some more death company for more deep strike fuckery.
Hellblasters are a good support choice, and more DC is always fine.
>Are terminators worth it?
Yes, most definitely. They're probably in the best spot they've been in quite a long time. They're really durable, esspecially with TH+SS, they are much much easier to get into combat now that the land raider is a monster of a transport and charge from deep strike is a thing, and most importantly they will do damage in close combat if they get in. This means that you're opponent is going to have to focus on taking them down early on, meaning they waste a lot of firepower that can be used elsewhere, or deal with the consquences.
>Should they be shooty or choppy? I guess if I'm going crudader/redeemer LR then they would best be choppy since the LR can cover a lot of ground and dish out a lot of dakka.
Choppy.

>>54500027
A brigade works well for orks since you can Mob Up.

>>54500074
Blood angles for sure.

>>54500097
How do you understand "a couple of weeks"?

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>>54500074
Blood Angels or Dark Eldar for you my man, the former hits more of your criteria and will likely see support sooner, but they're both pretty cool.

>>54500074
if you can grab a deldar start collecting and a sky splinter it's not a bad starting point for £80ish

>>54498421
The Wyvern, maybe, but it's 4ft range ensures that you can't just park it in the back of your deployment outside of lascannon range. The rest of the artillery got punished pretty hard when large blasts became d6 shots.

I get the hatred for parking lot armies, but any more shitting on guard vehicles will basically make infantry spam the only real tactic.

>>54498745
Old Stormboyz, not the word storm here is no accident, wore stahlhelm like helmets and loved marching in unison and generally being super disciplined and militaristic. This was seen as rebellious behavior particular to a few young orks. Most grew out of it eventually.

Anyway, there are several connotations in the old book referencing German militarism, and in-univers Ork 'Kultur'.

Storm boys also worshiped khorne at one point.

>>54500074
Normally I wouldn't recommend Guard as a first army just due to the boredom-inducing number of models you have to paint, but if you're deliberately going tank-heavy they'd be a good choice.

>>54500090
I never claimed any of that, please apply yourself and try again

>>54499645
Tarkus or captain force commander, Vance Motherfucking Stubbs or Castor

>Going Genestealer Cult
>Going to use AM for some heavy support

I keep debating between Pask, a Russ and 2 Manticores or a shitload of Heavy Weapon Teams.

Manticores look....ammmaaazzzzzingg and I love the model. I don't like the Cadian models and unfortunately no good las cannon teams exist in the line outside of that (that I can convert to Cult).

Any thoughts?

>>54500163
So would you Terminators + Land Raider or add hellblasters, some dc and another predator? hellblasters and a 5-man dc squad are about 300 points with no costed wargear, so a quad lascannon predator will fill the remaining 200 pts.

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My first go at basing.

Looking good? Appropriate for Death Guard?

1/2

I think i am going with DE here. They seem very choppy and i always play glasscannons in pretty much every game.

>>54498786
>>54498997
>>54499974
This. Did you see the Ultramarine movie?
Made by the same guys who did the pretty decent actually Bionicle movies. And as someone who hated Bionicle even I appreciate the quality of the films they made.
The UM looks like it was made on a shoestring budget. Which is sad since they even had John Hurt amongst other well known actors in it.

But since GW didn't back the film financially the result is a dud.

A proper movie or something like that would have been a marketing goldmine. How could you convince someone more easily that the nerdy thing you are into is actually set in a cool world than showing them a cool movie?
Oh, well...

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>>54500241
2/2