Song of Swords: Squeak!

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OFFICIAL THREAD SOUNDTRACK:
https://youtu.be/4gY1AHjq1y8

Next update when?

Jimmy, any idea when magic is coming out for SoS?

boasting in the thread

What did I miss about Zell titties?

>>54501849
They are big

>>54501849
They are but a lie

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What do Burdinadin wear beneath their armor?

>>54500134
We got 2.0 not that long ago, so I think it'll be a while till the next one.
Also, why is thred so ded?

>>54503195
>Also, why is thred so ded?
There is nothing to talk about duh

>>54503229
Because some fucker made an official on-topic discord channel in addition of the off-topic shitposting one.

>>54501284
Soon, obviously.

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>>54503073
Looking at the 2.0 armory they seem to have some sort of bodysuit. Did they invent latex just to look like sexy space elves?

>>54503832
No, that was added in because coward baby men didn't want to play a B-din in full plate armor as they're supposed to.

>>54504209
I don't like that.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54503361
lol wat

>>54504209
>he doesn't wear his jumpsuit under his armor in case of breaches

>>54506917
Jimmy didn't want to link the shit-posting discord to kickstarter, so an on-topic one was made in order to not scaring the normies.

>>54504321
I personally ban them.

>>54511827
I, for one, welcome our skintight-bodysuit-wearing sexy elven babe overlords.

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>>54497529

>>54512610
fecht when jimmy

>>54503832
Of course, elves being sexy is important.

>>54512517
they need that bodysuit to live you...you double goblin

When are we getting the mech suit rules for the sexy space elves?

>>54515720
Yeah, I want more than just power armor, give me proper mechs!

>>54515720
>>54515883
Mixtape of Mechas isn't happening before sos gets a print, I wager.

>>54512517
Dressing up Burdinadin shouldn't be this fun

>>54516250
But it is.

Has anyone run a game of Ballad with lots of on-ship combat? How did it turn out when bullets were flying everywhere? Can't certain guns with certain bullets just destroy an entire ship? Why not use those from outside the other vessel?

>>54515883
Myrmidons are currently beyond the scope of this work.

How would you guys rank the stats in order of importance and practicality for fighting? Strength is probably king, but what comes after it?

>>54518935
agi, then wit, then end then hlt

>>54517564
I doubt the problem is actually destroying the ship, but causing breaches which would let Dust in.

>>54518935
ADR is God.

>>54520131
No point in it if you don't have enough STR to do damage.

>>54518935
ADR, and by association AGI and WIT are the most important stats. AGI is better than WIT due to being relevant for stability rolls. Then comes STR.

After that no stat is really important, though there's some benefit to WIP, PER, HLT and END.

>>54520524
You will eventually do damage if you keep hitting long enough. ADR keeps you alive as well.

>>54520524
Since ADR also equals successes, it does damage too.

>>54520055
Aren't the ships made with bones that can emit dust as well?

Profs or attributes?

two part question. What is the heaviest armour that is still practical for marching in and how do you maintain your armour when far away from supply lines?

>>54526035
Probably something like brigandine.

Also, lots of scrubbing to prevent rust. Preventative care.

>>54526333
How does a knight and his squire carry his plate and mail? I doubt a square would have a horse of their own.

>>54527333
Absolutely he would. Both the squire and knight would have riding horses, possibly several each to switch between, and several other horses would serve as pack animals for armor and supplies. Then a warhorse, to ride in battle.

http://www.nydailynews.com/rumblr-tinder-fighting-app-launch-beta-nov-9-article-1.2427623

Fechtr when

>>54497529
We need to get that OP text updated. 1.3 isn't the newest version any more.

>>54526035
A lot of armor was left in firescale or enameled to protect from the elements, but a lot of time it simply did degrade--or had to be meticulously maintained.

>>54529460
What's the newest version?

>>54531310
2.0

>>54518935
In the context of chargen:
AGI and ADR > WIT. WIT isn't used for combat except for ADR, but AGI is used frequently. It is better to have 7 AGI and 1 WIT than 6 AGI and 2 WIT.
INT is useless in combat; its only indirect uses are buying more ranks in Riding or Intimidate. It will matter bigly after combat for Surgery rolls to stay alive though.

You can't have just STR or just ADR. Two points gives you +1 SDB or +1 ADR. Now +1 ADR is +1 CP, which is usually only a 40% to become more damage, whereas +1 SDB is 100% to become more damage. But you need to be able to hit at all, so you need CP too. You want both to be as high as possible.

END and HLT are worth very much less now since they no longer contribute to TOU. Carry is meaningless, it's really easy to be Unencumbered even in loads of metal armor. Getting END would only be worth it if you have 1 point left, or you hit the cap for STR, since otherwise it'd be better to buy STR. END and HLT matter for bleeding but the bleeding rate was cut by 1/2 to 1/3, so it's not a big problem. If you're an Ohanedin then your uses for Rules of Nature are HLT-1, so HLT matters more there than for humans.

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>>54531310

>>54532583
High Willpower is still more inportant for an O-din though, to actually get that extra damage.

>>54526035
>>54526035
Chain has an advantage that the friction between the rings will naturally fight rust build up. Keep it oiled and roll it in a barrel full of sand every once in a while and it will keep basically forever.

>>54534566
Repair is also pretty easy once you are back in civilization. You can get it very easily patched with new rings to repair areas damaged by combat.

Could a Profession test be used to do things like looking for firewood-worthy trees and chopping them?

>>54537729
I only skimmed through the rules:
You could do a PER check for finding the wood and a STR check for chopping it. You could also do a skill check instead (if it makes sense and everyone at the table agrees that it does). For example PER + Hunting/Profession(Woodfinder) for finding and STR + Crafting(Wood)/Profession(Farmer) for chopping the wood.

>>54538047
Makes sense, I was gonna go for a two-part business like that, and I like the design you came up with

>>54532913
That's correct, but even 4 WIP is a massive bonus.

>>54537729
Yes, if it's related to your profession. Definitely.

>>54497529
What is a Zell? Like the Clan roe from battletech?

>>54543974
Psychic boat elves on living ships who love circles and bork.

>>54543974
They're basically elves with a hivemind who live on sentient boats. Because the ship shares in their consciousness and wants there to be more Zells, it pushes them to be turbosluts. This is also the reason why they can't catch the Gay, because that would get in the way of cranking out millions of boat-elves to further infest the world.

>>54544535
>turbosluts
With the caveat that its really weird for them to fuck their fellow hiveminders so when they run across other ships or hit a port they go buckwild.

And if a human mate with a Zell, the child is not a half-Zell, but a Zell.

>>54544795
Gotta avoid that inbreeding somehow.

>>54545408
There are Half-Zells in Ballad. I think the implication is that at this point all humans in TR are already Zell/Human Hybrids because they've been hanging around each other for a million years, so instead of producing a chimera they just default back to boat elf because those traits are dominant.

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>>54545783
WEIRD WISDOM WEDNESDAY

In ancient times past, the Helian Empire spanned over the entire Shattered Sea. The Helian Elves' every needs were serviced by sorcerous automatons, designed for specific functions.

It should come as no surprise to any familiar with Elvish craftsmanship that many of these have survived the collapse of Helion, and after centuries attempting to dig their way free of the rubble, some have finally managed to escape their watery tombs to return to the surface world.

One such incident occurred less than 50 years ago in Illegon. What is now believed to be a street-cleaning automaton emerged near the city of Vinici during the 7th Illegosi-Kamen War. The machine besieged the city for nearly six months, attempting to gain access to "clean" it, and shredding to pieces pike formations, cavalry, and all manner of halberdiers before finally a cannon was commissioned large enough to destroy it.

The Helian Empire denied all involvement with the design of the machine, despite its repeated self-identification as the "Oiketes M" until a legal suit was brought against them two years ago by Empress Lea. A settlement of 14,000 Solars was paid to the people of Vinici.

>>54546311
That's fucking awesome.

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>>54546311
Glad to hear that the entire nation of Italy could just barely handle a fucking Elf Roomba.

>>54547538
It was only one city.

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>>54546311
How fucking ridiculous was the Helian military back then if their robot maids could fight off entire armies?

>>54546311
These are the same guys who nuked the Fantasy -Jews from space, right? Does SoS have any Jew equivalents or were they rendered extinct by the event?

>>54548294
Obviously destroying a peoples' homeland wouldn't destroy them completely, there would always be a diaspora.

The Mikanni had to flee in secrecy into foreign lands, and they still hide from the Orredin, practicing their culture in secret to avoid elf-lasers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZrAUJ3dGJU
Chiron Theme

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>>54548533
Hail Victory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj8HJq067UY

>>54546311
https://youtu.be/nAf9fw0xIg8?t=8m39s

>>54546311
Couldn't they just, you know, let it in? Don't they like clean streets?

>>54550098
Cleaning the streets is certainly a possibility. Or it goes full hitlermode and scrubs the gene pool.

>>54550128
>Orredin bot cleaning gene pool
Right, and "clean up "all the slaves? That shit would get zero-star reviews immediately.

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>>54548533
CHIRON NO KAGAKU WA SEKAI ICHI !
Alternative Chiron theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KaOX3WOzR8

As a beginner GM with beginning players:
I want to drop some of the more advanced combat maneuvers to ease the players and myself into the system.
The core maneuvers (as stated in the beta rules) are Swing, Thrust, Block, Parry, Void, Steal Initiative.
What other maneuvers could I add to that list to spice things up? I want to keep it fun and manageable.

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>>54548283
>>54547538
Think less rumba and more like one of these.

>>54551731
Beat and hook are fairly essential.

How else can your players meme about khopeshs?

>>54551731
Hope you're not planning to have anyone use any armor.

>>54551731
Beat and Counter to give them the proper feel

>>54551933
>>54553760
>>54553805

The game is set in the early middle ages, somewhere far up north. Leather armor and axes.
My current maneuver list:

Basic: Swing, Thrust, Block, Parry, Void, Steal Initiative
Melee: Beat, Hook, Double Attack, Guarded Attack, Shield Bash, Disarm (Weapon), Blind Toss
Defensive: Riposte, Ally Defense
Movement: Thread The Needle, Rapid Rise, Flee
Pugilism: Everything beside the Grappling subsystem
Ranged Combat: Weapon Throw, Meele Shot

That should cover most of the things my PCs will need.

>>54555149
sounds pretty deadly m8

have fun

KM, KM!
Do you know?
What was used to protect the insides of armor from rust ages ago?
I hear it to be something spreadable and black.
Might be paint, might be tar, true knowledge I lack.

>>54550098
Perhaps they assumed it was a satan or something.

>>54555149
Don't forget the mail! You have to have mail.

>>54557703
Enamel?

>>54550940
I really hope Ballad succeeds so that I can see the fucking art for it in five years.

>>54546311
How are the devices powered, if the entire reason the Orredin collapsed was that they ran out of magic?

>>54563111
Might be, might be not

>>54568215
Either collusion with the Burds, or the sorcerors who made them are still alive in what used to be Central Helion.

>>54568619
Lacquer?

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The first update to Sword & Scoundrel has released.
>Minor update this week. The July 13th release contained the basic rules and character creation materials, and we've had a blast seeing what you guys have come up with. This week's update is a direct response to your feedback. It contains a number of error corrections and rules clarifications as well as some minor buffs to the characters themselves, with attributes, skills, and proficiencies all getting a little more love on the priority table.
>Keep your eyes peeled, the next release is a big one.
It's still only character creation. Hopefully the next release will occur next Thursday, and hopefully this release will include combat to put the rest of character creation into context.

Download it from their site so they have some clue of how many people are interested in it.
https://www.grandheresy.com/downloads/

Question:
A spearman (very long) blocks the attack of an axewielder (short). In the following round, is the axewielder "snapped back" to the spear's max reach? Where does he go?

>>54573395
No. Range is changed on a successful attack, not a successful defense, even if you pay range costs to parry. The fight remains at whatever reach it was.

>>54573395
What this guy said >>54573506
Range doesn't change on succesful defense.

>>54573773
>>54573506
Is stepping parry not a thing anymore?

>>54573506
>>54573773
To clarify:

Suppose it's the first round of the melee bout.
The axeman has initiative and attacks. The spearman is defending. The spear is Extremely Long; the axe is Short.
"The basic distance between any two characters is the Reach of the longer weapon between the two".
The current range between the combatants is therefore Extremely Long.
"When declaring an Attack Maneuver against a Target at a different Reach than the character’s own, an Activation Cost must be paid in addition to any others equal to the difference between the Reach of the Attack Maneuver and the defender with longer Reach".
The attacking axeman must close this gap by paying 4 CP, since the gap between Short and Extremely Long is 4 steps.
"If a character successfully hits their Target with an attack that has a Reach value, the combat moves to the Reach of the attack".
If the defending spearman successfully blocks the attack of the axeman, the range does not change to Short, but stays at Extremely Long.
The following counter attack of the spearman against the axeman is therefore perfectly spaced at Extremely Long.

Now, in my mind, it seems weird that the attacking axeman, who managed to take a swing at the shield of the spearman at short range, gets send the entire way back to Extremely Long reach. Imagine a ridiculously long spear (a 20 feet long toothpick) and a guy with an axe running all the way to the spearholder, giving him a whack on the shield, and running all the way back to the end of the spear to receive a groinpoke.

Am I missing something?

>>54574202
Stepping Parry isn't a talent anymore, but I'd houserule it in in my games. You still have Mobile Void and Superior Shield Bind.

>>54574252
>>54574202
What is Stepping Parry and how does is work?

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>>54574217
>20 feet long
Jesus guy, that's longer than most pikes. An EL reach spear is probably closer to 12 feet.
Remember that movement is inherent in fighting, and all Maneuvers are abstractions which include that movement. A failed attack might mean you actually deflected his attack with the shield, or it might mean he never got into a position to swing his arm at you at all. The reach penalty is not just the other guy having to move closer, but having to move forward safely while you also move back and around.

>>54574270
It was a Journeyman talent, so you typically needed a school level of 6 or more before you could buy it.

>>54574350
Ah, thank you for your explanations.

Why should I use Song of Swords instead of Mythras?

>>54574673
What the hell is Mythras?

>>54574729
Based on RuneQuest in some manner afaik
Or rebranded RQ. Something along those lines.

>>54574673
Song of Swords takes all of the interesting mechanical options of Mythras combat and dials them up. I actually tried to run a Mythras game on the tails of an SoS game, and my players complained that they found the combat less interesting in comparison. Considering that Mythras has one of the best combat systems in the industry and is one of my favorite games, I think that's pretty good praise.

On the other hand, if you want to have magic I suggest sticking with Mythras, since it's tailor made for that kind of game and SoS is lacking in magic systems. You can't go wrong with either one, though.

>>54574822
It's Runequest 6. However, the original company, Chaosium, got the Runequest rights back and has essentially pretended that no improvements or changes to the system have occurred in the last 15 years and so Runequest 6 had to be rebranded as Mythras.

>>54574729
Something I really want to see in SoS is the basic, folk magic of Runequest. It would be a great addition to regular melee fighting.

>>54577266
Too bad, you're getting Dark Souls pyromancy and Shaman King instead

>>54577266
doesn't runequest magic get into Exalted levels of wire-fu at some point?

>>54578210
Only at the absolute highest level. Getting to that point is essentially the end goal of an entire campaign of Runequest. Most people are restricted to making a blade slightly sharper or not getting wet in the rain.

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>>54577571
>Jimmy Rome
>I'm totally Catholic guys!
>Also I believe in magic and Aleister Crowley was a genius hey have you read the Kabballah, let me tell you about the Iching, also God is actually evil here let me explain why, but worship him though Praise Jebus hahaha oh hey I went to a German cult school where we prayed before animal bones and performed dark rituals emulating human sacrifice haha pray for the pope guys, viva christo rey lol

If the magic system isn't top tier I'm dropping this game, because the only possible excuse is that Jimmy didn't apply himself.

>>54578377
>Only at the absolute highest level

Huh. Admittedly my biggest exposure to the Runequest setting is King of Dragon Pass, where random barbarian nobles can do hilarious feats of battle magic if you pass the right checks, but this sounds more reasonable.

>>54578690
This

>>54579253
It's something that changes from Edition to Edition. Some have super magical abilities as endgame stuff, while other editions depict it as being possible all the time depending on various magical conditions.

>>54578690
You expect anything other than Jimmy not applying himself?

>>54582124
Not anymore.

do we have a ruling yet on which version of the human bonus in 1.whatever is the one that's supposed to apply?

>>54583888
Jimmy said to use the one in the Proficiencies section.

>>54583926
thx

So what exactly are the mechanics of shield location in combat?

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>>54578690
>tfw Jimmy is literally a 40k villain
It only gets funnier if you imagine him talking to Horus.

>>54585774
Depending on size and how high you're holding the shield, it's gonna be protecting those zones at all times, adding its AV against any attacks. At the beginning of an action you can move it up or down.

You can make Block maneuvers to completely cancel out an attack so you can protect areas your shield may not be currently covering, but if that fails, and the hit location happens to be protected by your shield, the attack will have to go through the shield's AV before touching you

>>54586994
Makes sense. Thank you very much.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lWvu2LzDkA

>Jimmy's hysterical rant on studded leather
This guy is /tg/ incarnate.

>>54590492
He's like the good part of tg, mixed with a little pol and somehow from california.

Jimmy, do you have a high quality copy of the art from the kickstarter video? I'd like to use it for a background.

>>54550098
>Italians
No, they like to have chairs out and drink wine everywhere.

>>54590492
jimmy is my wife

>>54592936
That's not how you spell waifu

>>54592652
Wasn't it on their website somewhere?

>>54595459
I'll check it out.

>>54574270
Stepping parry was a talent that allowed you to spend CP after you successfully parried to change the range of the fight.

>>54583926
Jimmy was wrong

what's this stuff about Missile Defense RS in the burd section? I can't find anything about that (or much about how you defend against ranged attacks at all) in the combat section.

>>54601162
This? It's at the beginning of the combat chapter.

Missile Defense
A character’s Missile Defense is the RS which must be overcome in order for a character to hit them with a missile attack. This RS is 4 by default, but can be altered by other factors as detailed below.

Factor : Missile Defense Change
Moved this Phase : +1
Sprinted or Charged this Phase : +2*
Currently involved in a Melee Bout : +2**
Further than 10 yards from shooter and Prone : +3
Behind Cover : Variable; See Below
*This is cumulative with the bonus for being in Melee if the character entered Melee this Phase
**A missile attack against a target in a Melee Bout which misses has a 5/10 chance of hitting another random combatant in that Melee Bout - including allies! Roll for the new target, then roll 1⁄2 the Missile
Pool rolled against the original target to determine BS. This hit is automatic but the shooter has no control over where the attack lands. All modifiers to original attack’s damage apply.

Cover
If a character is protected by Cover, their Missile Defense increases, and certain Hit Locations are removed from the possibility of being hit. Protected Hit Locations are re-rolled in the event of a missile attack hitting a target in Cover.

Cover Type : Missile Defense Bonus : Hit Locations Protected
Half Cover (Low Wall) : +2 : Legs, Groin, Hips
3/4s Cover (High Wall, Crenelations, Corner, Window) : +3 : Entire body below Chest
9/10ths Cover (Murderhole) : +4 : Entire body except Head

Shields vs Missile Attacks
Shields do not provide any bonus to Missile Defense. Instead, missile attacks roll for Hit Location on the Missile Hit Table, and may simply land on a location protected by the shield, in which case the shield’s AV is reduced from the attack’s damage as normal - probably nullifying it entirely. Remember what position the Shield is being held in!

Active Defense
You spend the Phase ducking and dodging enemy attacks. Roll an ADR Test and add BS to your Missile Defense RS. If you declare Active Defense, roll it before resolving any other Actions - it applies against attacks that occur before your Initiative in the Phase, as well as those after. This can be performed either standing still behind one piece of cover, or while running along or between close (2-3 yards apart) pieces of cover.

Take Cover
Similar to Active Defense, but only usable behind at least Half Cover. You simply duck down and hide. You now have Full Cover, meaning you cannot be hit by attacks which would not penetrate the material you are taking cover behind. (You are still vulnerable to flanking attacks, though you count as Prone against them.) You cannot move faster than 2 yards per Phase while Taking Cover.

>>54601289
>>54601308
oh I see how I missed it, it wasn't on the bookmarks. nm, I suck sarturi cocks in hell.

Burdinadin chef invents wheat gluten mock meat. Tries to sell the Ohanedin on it. What happens?

Anima and Laminar cuirasses should cover Back locations.

>>54603199
wut

>>54603215
copypasta, ignore it.

>>54601979
The Ohanedin feel disappointed, stab the Burdinadin and eat him instead.

>>54604428
Burds don't seem like they're be very tasty

>>54603174
Thats been a problem for like three years.

>>54503832
Actually surprised that there's none of this in Ballad.

>>54607237
Stealthsuit, brah.

>>54503832
>>54504209
The weird thing about the bodysuit is for it to be even minimally effective a Burd would need a HLT score of 6. Or worn under heavier armor like >>54509913 suggests.

Funny Venezuela news, since I know y'all occasionally track the shitstorm going on down there: Apparently President Maduro, after voting in the Constitutional Assembly election, did a public demonstration of the Card of the Homeland system showing that it could be scanned to prove whether or not somebody had voted. And when they did, the scan result came up "This person does not exist or the card has been canceled". Lol.

>>54609989
This is some space balls shit. Even in the future nothing fucking works.

One question, the book say
"Characters must start play at or above a zero (0) B&B Point score, and cannot start play with a negative B&B Point score."

But to reach 0 you must pay at least 4 pcp.

How do you reach 0 (or higher) if the max amount you will have is less than 0 points?
Does this means I need to spend at least 4 pcp at bobes and banes?

>>54612439
It means you need to take Banes to level off your score, you doof.

The High Caliber modification should be
+25% cost per X", right?

>>54614035
Left.

Whats new in 2.0?

>>54617717
Massive talent changes, for one thing.

>>54617717
TOU is now base 4. STR/2 is the damage add.

>>54617801
Talents are awesome now.

Is this a good stat spread for a fighter?
str 6
agi 9
end 7
hlt 7
wil 6
wit 1
int 2
per 5

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>>54620651

>>54620651
You could use more STR

>>54620812
how would you shuffle it?

>>54620812
Lower PER and INT a bit

>>54620824
3 per, 1 int?

>>54620651
>wit 1
You're a drooling retard, unfit for any kind of combat.

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>>54620651
>wit 1
>int 2

>>54620836
PER 4, INT 1, STR 8

>>54620858
What are wits even used for outside of ADR?

>>54621082
>Wit is the speed and flexibility of the mind. The Attribute determines your character’s skill in improvisation, and ability to cope with rapid bursts of information and activity without being overwhelmed. From telling jokes to dueling with swords, Wit is important for many activities, especially certain Skills, and is one of the Attributes that no hero should be without.
>Wit contributes to the Adroitness and Charisma Compound Attributes

>>54621105
Which skills in particular?

>>54621082
It's used for many things, I presume. In this regard SoS seems to be the opposite of TRoS where Wit was used for almost every test involving mental work including crafting.

>>54621113
Why don't you just look it up in the PDF?

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>>54621142
>etiquette and sailing
What will a hero do without those?

>>54621180
>shit tier etiquette
Getting thrown out of every attempt at fishing for good paying jobs among the classier folk

>>54621180
You forgot Gather Information, Intimidation, Oration, Performance, Persuasion, and Subterfuge.

>>54621200
Perception and Willpower contribute to Charisma too, and are also more useful individually than Wits.

>>54621239
>and are also more useful individually than Wits.

Not when it comes to fighting.

>>54621250
Perception helps with a bunch of maneuvers, Willpower contributes to Grit. Agility does everything Wits does and more.

>>54621283
(you)

>>54621180
>What will a hero do without those?
Insult the duke, use the wrong fork and behave like unwashed pig at the court. So basically exile himself from money and power for years if not for life.

>>54621614
If your standing as a hero can be ruined by something as trivial as that, you're no hero, and don't let people tell you otherwise.

>>54621734
>If your standing as a hero can be ruined by something as trivial as that
Welcome to real life. People will gloat over your failings and seek opportunities to destroy you especially when you threaten their position and future prospects at the top of society.

>>54622053
Investing into Wits for Etiquette won't become worthwhile no matter how much implausible nonsense you come up with.

>>54622102
>no matter how much implausible nonsense you come up with
Oh yeah, I forgot to add that nobles will do it just because they are fucking bored and convoluted court rituals and intrgues are a way to spice up their existence. Deal with it. Or just cry that GM punishes your 2 Wit, 1 Int character for no reason.

>>54622133
Not an argument.

Wits is a shit attribute. You failed to prove me wrong so far, and I'm done with giving you chances.

>Get invited to banquet because of my latest victories
>have a good time, exchange banter with duke
>he gets angry, no idea why.
>whatever,
>shrug it off, and turn to the person sitting besides me, ignoring the dukes rambling at me
>maybe he will calm down
>he doesn't
>insists that I listen to him
>tell him to not get his knickers in a twist
>get thrown out

What the fuck went wrong? I don't get it. It's almost like sometimes people are more preoccupied with saving their faces than courting some "hero".

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>>54620651
>wit 1
>int 2
I'm sorry to hear that your mama dropped you when you were a baby

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>>54622207
>What the fuck went wrong?
I'll explain. You, of your own volition, willingly said something retarded in character. The Etiquette skill has literally nothing to do with that sort of situation, so your character's attributes aren't at fault. Try reading the rulebook sometime.

Here, I quoted it for your convenience.

>>54621180
Form an entertainment group called Prestige Worldwide?

>>54622277
>Duke starts some clever banter
>want to "defend oneself subtly"
>roll
>fail horribly
>say something openly insulting instead

>>54622277
>>tell him to not get his knickers in a twist
>willingly said something retarded in character.
The party was going to shit way before that and it's all better represented with Etiquette rolls
>have a good time, exchange banter with duke
>>shrug it off, and turn to the person sitting besides me, ignoring the dukes rambling at me

>>54622318
Do you also use CP and calculate damage when someone smacks a person playfully on the shoulder?

>>54622277
>always opposed
So when two equally apt courtiers met, one of them always fuck up and lose and another wins? Is this the Versaillesdome? Two nobles enter, one noble leaves?

>>54622349
Do you also skip fights and character creation because you only pretend to use the system while playing your personal flavor of freeform game?

>>54622413
It's pretty clearly a work in progress skill.

At least Wits still gets Sailing.

>>54622349
No, most of the time not, I guess.
The wit 1 character doesn't know at all how to behave in high society ("Etiquette is ESSENTIAL for functioning in high society"), so I may require a roll for that, depending on the circumstances.

>>54622472
If you require a roll from the other party members as well, then it's fine.

>>54622413
I assume it's to see who's superior. As far as I can interpret it, etiquette rolls aren't direct confrontations. It's like two male birds fighting to look the most fabulous, both are likely fabulous, but only the winner will attract the female they're performing for.

does anyone happen to know a source on the construction of medieval dagger sheaths?

>>54622194
The main reason you want Wit is because it's the second most important main attribute in combat.

>>54623106
Web source or proper thinky word book? Also do you have an interest in any specific culture or time period?

>>54624410
either is fine, preferably german or italian, just somewhere middle ages, preferably later

>>54624410
though if you got anything legit at all that's for proper daggers I'm more than happy

>>54623106
Where the heck is Cutleranon?

I just noticed that Outmaneuver is gone, even though Outflanking is still there, and Cutthroat even uses Outflanking for advantages. Couldn't seem to find any maneuvers that'd cause outflanking.

>>54625837
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the cut down maneuver list honestly, though I vastly prefer the new talents and proficiency system.

>>54624564
Two books come to mind, though neither quite fit your first choice of topic.

Sheaths and scabbards in England AD400-1100 by E. Cameron. Seax sheaths are covered in some detail although they differ a fair bit from latter dagger sheaths in style and construction. The book is also dense, dry and not cheap but if you want accurate information there is no better work for that period. The catalogue is an excellent visual resource with some really well preserved finds showcasing the decoration used.

Knives and Scabbards (Medieval Finds from Excavations in London) by Jane Cowgill might also interest you. It covers 1100-1450 but is very much focused on domestic knives and their sheaths rather than military daggers. Again excellent quality, fairly readable and a good catalogue. There are copies kicking about online.

While knife sheaths were just made from leather, scabbars for daggers tended to be constructed in a similar way to those of swords a lot of the time which meant a wooden core which then had leather layered on top.

http://www.yeoldegaffers.com/project_scabbard.asp

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>>54621283
Wit has a lot of Skills Utility, but the fact of the matter in Combat is that once you enter the realm of high-powered fucktard warrior-gods, ADR 5 means you die. You cannot function with low Wit, even with high Agi because it doesn't go high enough. You will get your belly sliced open by the first person who notices that you can't win initiative tests.

You could probably compensate for this by building a character who has xbox huge armor and always goes defensive, but why?

The reason why Wit isn't included in 2/3rds of the skills anymore is because people already max it out as a matter of course, just like they max out Agility, because virtually there is no style of build in which having high ADR-related attributes doesn't advantage you.

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>http://tattered-realms.wikia.com/wiki/Kesh

Man, you guys really made a horrifying fucking setting.

>>54620651
>int 2
Take it out and put it into PER

>>54627834
Someone did art for it at some point. It's some Sarlaac shit. Avoid the demon artichoke.

>>54627834
Jimmy had a hard life, this setting is a window into his tormented soul.

>>54627245
>5 ADR
>can't win initiative tests
top kek

>>54628197
Better bring a polearm, dude.

>>54628239
You should always bring a polearm anyway if you know you're getting into a fight. You think you have a point, but you don't.

>>54628295
You seem really, really defensive about playing a retarded person.

You want to talk about it?

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>>54628197
>>54628295
Wew lad.

>>54628499
Tell us about Kalmacia, Jimmy. I need some hot plot hooks

>>54628134
I at least did one Pic of it. It was a tentacle infested root the size of an elephant, and someone said that was retarded. No one would farm a plant the size of a house that kills people when harvest season is up.

Jimmy declared that Dacia just sents experts in when the beet starts consuming village huts with occupants, normally the plant doesn't grow that big.

>>54627245
>is that once you enter the realm of high-powered fucktard warrior-gods

What about fighting people who aren't at the absolute zenith of the art, though?

>>54630450
5 ADR is more than adequate, but it comes at the cost of playing Chris-chan the Fencer.

>>54631709
Fair.

>>54631709
>the best swordsman in the world is an autist
I kind of find that funny

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>>54633476
>An autist
It's spelled "a Mongoose."

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Dear /sos/

What is the most hideous way you've seen a man die in your campaigns?

>>54635186
Not in a SoS game, but in a resent rp one character got their arm slowly torn off by a ghost, which lead to her death.

does anybody recall where the stuff we got for Orredin ended up? like the elf lasers and such.

>>54635186
Sitting at the top of a flight of stairs, limbs and body shredded by shrapnel from a hand grenade. He died desperately trying to staunch the blood-loss. The worst part is that it was a futile effort as he had no weapon at the time and the guy who threw the grenade walked up the stairs a minute after he died of his wounds.

>>54637481
SoS or Ballad?

>>54635186
Party was ambushed by bandits in the night. One of the people, an eunuch named Nikolai, only had time to put on his helmet, and after getting into a clash with one bandit, he got disemboweled moments later.

>>54637481
That's beautiful.

Trojan war campaign using Song of Swords. How to do it?

>>54642808
Severely restrict the armory, stat up some super powerful NPC bosses, decide how much god fuckery you want to include.

>>54635186
Attacked an Orredin with leprosy, bees, and rabid dogs.

Watched a man bleed to death with a crossbow bolt embedded in his leg after the surgeon botched his roll.

In a fecht, a wrestling match ended with me stabbing someone in the chest. She desperately tried to arm parry, so I pinned her hand to her chest. I had to stab her multiple times to kill her.

>>54635186
Javelin to the face. Dude did a back flip. Was sprinting, too.

>>54644728
damn, was the thrower an Ohanedin using Rules of Nature?

>>54645386
Nah, just an experienced Hastatus.

>>54645386
On that note though, I've seen an Ohanedin impale a fully armored Silver Guard through the base of the helmet so hard he was lifted off his feet

>>54645580
Moonlit Twostep THAT

>>54645580
>>54645566
That javelin talent makes even 0wt light javelins nasty. Like, sick nasty.

>>54645580
That Ohanedin did the right thing.

>>54634197
I was gonna say that.

>>54635186
I got my groined smashed by a troll in a fecht.

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>>54635186
Chironite Mercenary Best Girl got gutshot in the dark. We had to try to find her in the pitch black without torches or anything because we were idiots and didn't think to buy gear, also there's no list in Ballad. She bled out screaming "I'm over here you idiots" over and over.

RIP.

>>54651559
War is hell

>>54635186
D&D

A druid's animal companion was swallowed whole by a purple worm; the worm immediately retreated. Unwilling to leave his companion to such a gruesome fate, the druid wildshaped and leapt into the worm tunnel, making chase after it where the rest of the party could not follow.
He got lost where the tunnel breached the caverns, and stumbled, blind in the dark, into a patch of green slime. Nasty stuff, it's like a living gel of digestive fluids. and it grows quickly when it has something to feed on.
Like an arm.
Startled, then panicked, the druid returned to his human form, and quickly set about trying to fix the situation. He struck a torch, hurrying with a small spell, and got to work.
Washing the slime off didn't work, trying to cut the slime off directly was a failing endeavor, his few attempts at curative magics did little to help as the slime simply kept chewing away.
He never thought to put the torch to the slime, and so it grew.

The party would find him later, half-digested, with his other arm still grasping the knife he had been using to try to amputate the afflicted limb. He botched the last Heal check, and ended up dying as much to shock as to the slime.

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>>54651559
I didn't know anyone had played a Ballad campaign in the official setting yet. Explain.

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>>54609989
>In other news, more people in Communist failed state die screaming for their mommies clawing at the dirt with rent blood nails
>Experts assure us that it wasn't actually real communism this time either

>>54653326
>Venezuela is Dace

Oh shi--

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>>54653564
>Maduro
>Inept bus-driver
You know what else is bad for transport?
A useless horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg73GKm7GgI

>Life in Rahoo

>>54654034
sounds about right.

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>>54653663
What did you say about my waifu?

>>54653326
A man walks up to you, exclaims that he is a giraffe, punches you in the gut and takes your wallet.

>damn giraffes are at it again

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>>54659703
I'm more likely to have my wallet taken from me by a giraffe, because giraffes actually exist, unlike "real" Communists who aren't thieves and murderers in waiting. They will not be satisfied until ankle-deep child blood runs rich, red and thick through every corner of Europe, and the screaming of starving women fills the air at all hours of the day and night.

>>54653326
>Idiots bank their entire economy on oil exports and fuck up everything, surprising nobody

>>54660716
Venezuela's problem isn't that "they" banked everything on oil exports, that's a symptom of the larger disease. The problem that produced that sympton is that there was no economic freedom in the country, so the only industry that produced anything was oil, an ineffectual and primitive government-run enterprise that couldn't compete when the Saudis tanked the oil market to try and crush US innovation.

Diversifying an economy more or less requires economic freedom. There is no instance anywhere in the world of it happening otherwise. This problem was 100% ideological. All Chavez or his retarded manservant successor had to do was nothing. All they had to do was allow people to invest and build businesses in their country and none of this would have happened. Instead their low-information communist government fought every step of the way to defend the antiquated fossil of Socialist econ, and now their people will pay dearly through their bellies for it.

I don't feel bad. They voted for it, now they get it.

>>54652637
I set it in some madeup outer islands because I wasn't sure what might change lorewise while playing. It was basically a heist campaign where a bunch of mercs were trying to rob the government, but inverted because the players weren't the thieves, but the security advisers signed on to prevent the theft. So the players were trying to stop a sort of Smoking Aces style group of mercenaries from breaking into a vault and stealing some purified laser-ambergris, which I imagined as basically plutonium.

>>54661970
Maduro is going to die screaming about Americans fucking his government over, I guarantee it.

>>54662342
I hope so. That way I can pretend that it's true so that I feel better about my tax dollars going to the rope he kicks and jerks on, sputtering something about ebil gabidalists as he chokes to death.

whew

>>54662193
Sounds fun.

>>54661970
>Venezuela's problem
It's that they hate freedom

>>54652376
That's fucking terrifying

>>54668757
Dungeoneering is a nasty business. I enjoy playing the game along those lines, and always giving the monsters an even break.
The player wasn't that put out either; his fellow PCs gave what was left of his body a decent burial topside.

Spear or Polearm for a ROTK era chinese warrior?

>>54669598
spear

>>54669598
Honestly either.

>>54663039
Wew is right. But, such stutterfires of assmad are natural. Let's try not to let these threads degrade into divisive political commentary.

Nothing wrong with the Venezuelan crisis being recorded though, I'm still hoping to see some South American swordfights out of this whole thing soon.

Like Maduro will have to use Bolivar's saber to fight off a quartet of Chilean assassins with machetes on the roof of the capital building, filmed in hi-def by every Iphone in the country. It'd be great.

>>54635186
One of the early tournament fechts involved a hoplite and a pirate fighting one another. Both were bleeding all over each other. The rules were different then: pain accrued more slowly, and bleeding was checked after every Round. One fighter ended up falling unconscious from bloodloss in the middle of battle, fighting to the last.

There was a way to build an Ohanedin such that you could reliably accrue 300 Bleed in one single Action. Every drop of blood in your body would evaporate and your body would wither into an unrecognizable husk within seconds. You can't do that anymore; an Ohanedin's body in 2.0 renders them unconscious rather than let them commit bloodend.

>>54669755
this is not the Jimmy "PR Holocaust" Rome I knew

i prefer this one

>>54671182
I've been trying to cool it on the political stuff lately. It's all fun and games when you're shitposting on 4gag, but we have a lot of new friends who aren't from our corner of the internet, and I don't want people to get the wrong idea. Culture shock, that sort of thing.

Nothing wrong with a bit of the old game here and there though, you know, we all need to vent from time to time. I just try to control myself more because I'm representing a company.

>>54671947
Just take off your name and shitpost anonymously.

https://gamingballistic.com/2017/08/02/dueling-shields-is-everything-i-knew-wrong/

>>54671947
Hey Jimmy, can you answer this?

>>54628535

>>54672210
Lol.

>>54673729
What's so laughworthy about it?

>>54671974
His style is too iconic. We've tracked his anonposting back to him many of times.

>>54675617
Not him, but that article is imminently basic. It's telling us things we all already know.
Although the author is correct in supposing that D&D normies would have no awareness of such things.

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>shields work
>known problem
Reminds me of why I can't stand boffer.

>>54676355
That ain't true in Dag or Bel

What would a coat of plates be for the armor rules, a sort of laminar?

>>54678004
brigandine

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>>54676355
What if they just got good?

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>>54676355
>>54678096
You are talking about *LARPs*, right? Because as I said >>54677879 Dagorhir and Belegarth, the two biggest*Boffer Sports* in the US fully embrace shield bashing, shield kicks, hooking shields with weapons, grabbing shields with hands etc.

Pic related is me charging a shield wall.

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>>54678637
And the aftermath

>>54678096
Damn, those are spiffy.

>>54678637
Dagorhir's shield rules are also fucking retarded.
While better than many LARPs, the fragility of shields and other specifics of their use far too often encourages players to protect their shields rather than use their shields to protect themselves.

>>54683112
Well then those people are fools. Plus Red Weapons barely make1/6 of any battlefield.

>>54683573
Then the chapter near me is made of fools.

>>54683744
There are a lot of fools in dag for sure. Too many times I've seen people try to attack a superior opponent one at a time like, completely disregard unit cohesion or battle plans etc. I was just saying we don't have those pussy shield rules and aren't afraid to get a little dangerous.

>>54678637
>>54678653
that looks gay

>>54678637
why is armor so weak in dag

>>54683931
Probably.

>>54683998
Speed and ease of combat, from what I understand, most LARPs have armor negate a lot more hits, and you have to keep track of that in addition to HP, special abilities, spells etc. Dag usually tries to keep it simple: armor gives 1 extra hit unless facing a two-handed weapon or bow. Quick, easy, and keeps it from being pay-to-win.

>>54684197
>most LARPs have armor negate a lot more hits, and you have to keep track of that in addition to HP, special abilities, spells etc.
most "larps" in the US. Also known as shit tier larps

>>54684869
Yeah, fuck LARPing in general, I'm in for the sport.

>>54684869
How do euro larps deal with armor?

>>54676247
This author is the guy who wrote GURPS Technical Grappling. He's signaling his intent to write some kind of viking shield ruleset based on TechGrap.

>>54687281
which one? because there are lots and lots of different approach. A few are just as worse as US larps but because the overwhelming majority of eu larps doesn't have the calling out numbers bullshit and the differnet kinds of damage idiocy it can be way more simple and allows a more fluid play.

There are several examples of systems which are "trust based" as they don't give you hard rules on armour, you decide if the hit you took could be stopped by it or not.
Obviously you need adults for this kind of game not manchildren who wants to win no matter what

>>54661970
Well, they sure didn't vote for it in this last election.

Does the Berserker boon's +4 WIP count as +2 tempory grit or what? If not I don't understand how that would lead to Damage and Pain Reduction. Also in the new rules, WIP is WILL right?

>>54689620
>manchildren who wants to win no matter what
I hate fucks like that

>>54692038
+2 grit seems about right.

>nobody ever posts in these threads
Is it even worth having them still?

>>54695130
We're nearly at bump limit, my dude

>>54695130
Just go to discord like everyone else

>>54695308
What's the discord link again?

>>54695308
Fuck that. Discord is gay, and SoS is a /tg/ creation.