What do you think of half-dragons?

>>54495612
As good a reminder as any of the benefits of anal.

>>54495650
>never heard of ass babies

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>>54495612
Generally played by special snowflakes who need an excuse to have special powers or be better than everyone without actually working for it at all. Would not allow as a playable race in any of my games, except for maybe in the case of Draconic Sorcerer, and even then you just get the benefits of the class itself, not an entirely separate race.

>>54495798
this. they're the same thing as half-demons, or half-angels, or catgirls

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>>54495798

/thread

I would never allow it to be played in my game, neither would I ever play one; they feel like a cry for attention from people who really, really want their characters to be really, really special because "LOOK! I'M A DRAGON!". Being half-anything with higher RC than 3 is plain terrible RPG material.

>>54495612
I'm fine with them, but I prefer the forgotten realms template that gains power as the character levels up. It makes it just a different flavor of multiclassing. The shade template is like that too.

>>54495798

> be better than everyone without actually working for it at all

Fucking nailed it.

>>54495612
I like them as mutants. They're fucked up things whose nature is essentially twisted by "dragon-ness" OPs pic is actually a good depiction. The body is unevenly twisted by it's draconic nature.

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Pretty cool.

>>54496006
You play Iron Kingdoms, don't you?

>>54496039
Nope. Not familiar with it at all.

>>54495798
>>54495871
Totally fine with them.

But then I have a setting where much of the world is run by a small number of angels/demons/dragons, halfbreeds are the upper class, and plain humanoids are the masses of peasants.

>>54495612
Perfectly fuckable

>>54495798
>Generally played by special snowflakes who need an excuse to have special powers
Anon, you are confused, we're talking about half dragons, not wizards.

>>54495871
Or half-elves, or half-orcs, or halflings.

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>>54496077
Wizards are usually played munchkins who want to be powerful because they've mastered the rules of a particular system.

Half Dragons are usually played by... whatever the opposite of munchkins is, people who wana be powerful because they have an excuse to be special enough to just ignore the rules.


They're both equally cancerous.

>>54496006
If body hair doesn't fall out for them, I imagine that having scales come in would be even more uncomfortable.

I haven't a Mutants and Masterminds game where one of the PC's has draconic powers. It didn't look so bad on paper, but the first time she uttered "Fuck you, I'm a dragon" I realized what a terrible mistake I had made. She's disruptive, violently impulsive and sets fire to literally everything, all they while muttering "Fight me, I'm a dragon, you can't stop me, I'm a dragon".

She's barely holding on to the rest of the hero team's support, and the speedster actively wants to put her down.

She's a great player, for the most part, this just feels like her shitty fanfic self-insert character.

>>54496103
Wizards are usually played by people who want to be special for no work, anon. That is the primary advantage of being a wizard- you get to be more special than anyone else, no matter who or what they are.

>>54496103
We're not in the old days.
Being a broken wizard requires no system mastery, and instead a quick google.

>>54496106
Sounds like the character needs a good hard dicking

>>54496124
I didn't bring it up, because it was barely relevant, but she's a raging lesbian, both in and out of character.

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>>54495612
Inferior to half-scorpions.

>>54496103
>equally
Nothing can match a wizard in that regard.
Or any other regard.

Seriously, you don't see half dragons consuming a huge portion of every book released. You know who does? Wizards. That is ACTUAL cancer behavior.

>>54496146
Welp, I'm out of ideas

>>54495798
Why are half dragons special in your settings?
Like, do none of you idiots do pre-game planning? One of my most successful techniques is making whatever the players chose some of the most common races.

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>>54496036

I want to fuck that maid.

>>54496146
That just reinforces what he said.

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>>54496151
It's equally as cancerous to read none of the books and pretty much try to free-form your way through the campaign with your shitty deviantart or tumblr """original""" character.

>>54496183
That is significantly less like a cancer in behavior.
I think you mean "I dislike it equally".
Wizards have actual cancerous behavior that is readily visible in book space.

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>>54496151
You don't see laser rifles consuming half the content in every book written, but I'm still going to call someone a faggot if they run around the typical swords-and-magic campaign going "pew pew" the entire time and acting like a space marine.

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>>54496198
Well, yeah, it's fine to dislike it.
Though you are kind of dumb for not doing
>>54496168
Also for not using old fashioned science fantasy.

>>54496210
They're young, anon.
They don't remember the time when fantasy and sci-fi were the same thing, and you shot the evil wizard with your laser gun before rescuing the two headed lizard princess.

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>>54496168
>Letting players choose some of the most common races.

Oh...
Oh no...

>>54496228
>I recruit players from places I don't like
>Why is it going poorly? What have I done wrong?

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>>54496149
Especially in attractiveness.

>>54495798
I would totally allow them if they gained their features as they level instead of boom instantly. When the character matures so does his heritage, sadly very few games do this.

>>54496235
Not that anon, but 9 years of DMing has taught me that sometimes the people you think are going to be the most reasonable reveal some very deviant things about themselves once you start playing.

>>54496249
That's why you do pre-game planning and session zero, anon.

>>54496239
It sucks most games just make them flat mechanically awful.

>>54496239
Thats because treating race like a second character class is a very clunky and disjointed mechanic. Pathfinder tried this with a few expansions and it was a disaster.

>>54496262
Part of pre-game planning is setting limits on what exists in your world and what the general tone and power level of the world is. Personally I think it's healthy for a DM to say no to shit like half-dragons, catgirls, demons, half-angels, vampires, ect.

>>54496272
It's OK for you to say no, but also, if you always say no to these things you are kind of a shit who will never have a sunless sea or science barbarian situation going on.
Heck, you won't even have a shadowrun.

>>54496272
Why? It could be as easily as: "Spend this feat at 1st level and only 1st level, when you have X HDs you gain this, when you have X+Y HDs you gain this, when you have X+Y+Z HDs you gain this, etc", I don't see it that difficult

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What do you imagine Draconic Sorcerers, Dragon Disciples, etc. do to develop draconic traits? Do you picture it occurring naturally and unavoidably after they've discovered their magical capability? Or is it something that requires concentrated effort, meditation, and introspection? Something else?

>>54496106

Introduce a good guy antagonist who goes after her specifically because of that attitude or even better, because of her draconic heritage. Make a whole, her father is an evil dragon known for plans within plans. The person trying to kill her is genuinely honourable and will protect the weak. She just has to die to stop her father's plan #213 to take over the entire universe.

>>54496280
Because they are seen as special snowflakes for some reason, and special snowflakes need to be shit upon for some reason.
God forbid you just make them... not special to begin with.

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>>54496291
I love how often I hear this garbage defense, but the people spouting it can never seem to just play a race that actually exists in the setting, for all their claims of not wanting to be "that special".

>>54496280
In 3.PF it was like spend bazillion feats to get minor stuff that only works if you're a caster, they never worthy the feat spent even if you were caster.

>>54496300
It's a pretty solid defense.
You control the setting. Why not just make them, you know, common and not special?
This is the easiest thing in the world, and you people act like it's some kind of impossible magic.

>>54496300
This, if you don't wana be a snowflake, just play a human. Your character doesn't need the blood of a super powerful magical creature to be interesting or playable.

>>54496308
>humans
Fucking snowflakes.
The only humans are centuries old cybernetic immortals.
No, if you want to be normal you play a catgirl.

>>54496307
I actually do that, if players are a "thing" surely there must be other "things" like them around. Those who aren't shitty players don't care...well, as long as I do not carbon copy their character, but I would be mad too if a GM made Me 2.0 twenty times

>>54495612
depends on the setting

they can work as enemies or boss characters but I would probably never let my players run them

>>54496318
Well, yeah, it's the reasonable thing to do. The only time anything is a special snowflake is if you, the GM, want it to be a special snowflake.

>>54496307
Cool, so you're now allowing your players to force an entirely new race into your game because they're not content playing a race that already exists. And said race they're trying to shove in just happens to read like a bad deviantart mary sue with super special blood from a super powerful magical creature. But yeah, it's totally fine if they're "common", as long as I get to play one. That makes everything OK!

I mean, I guess if you're playing some weeb game like BESM or Pathfinder where it's basically an anime all the time.

>>54496331
Anon, you're allowed to say no if it's really shit.
But, again, if you think something like a half dragon is really shit, you yourself are kind of a shit.

>Be accused of always playing weird races
>Ask to prove it
>Group and GM surprised when 99% of my chars are humans after going through all my characters sheets who I careful kept
Well, this happens when you imagine things intead of using your eyes. Just because I mention outside the games how cool something is doesn't mean I actually play that thing. I only play humans, they're too good in 3.PF to not be played. But people is too angry about elves (actually any non human race) and the moment you mention them you're tainted.

Double funny when they're the ones who play halforcs, dwarves, and almost never humans but accuse you of playing non humans only.

>>54496331
>Muh setting
Write a book.

>>54496331
Why do you make them have super special powers, anon?
You're the GM, aren't you?
Do you want them to be a special snowflake that badly?

>>54496331
Ok, which systems are we talking? because half dragon isn't new in tons of them, specially those who get mentioned in /tg/ everyfucking time. I feel like you're trying to build a non issue out of a strawman.

>>54496363
D&D dragons are sort of famous for fucking everything.
Honestly, if we're looking at it logically, a huge portion of the population should have enough dragon in them to be 'half' dragon. Assuming it works like tieflings do.

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>>54496341
>>54496350
You guys are shit DMs then if you don't let me play my Hedgehog space marine with time/space manipulating powers and he's also half god and also can't be killed and also gets a racial modifier of +9001 in every stat.

>>54496331
>I control the setting, so I'm going to give these guys all sorts of special powers, then accuse them of being snowflakes.
why?

>>54496366
Tieflings aren't half demons though, they go from 1/16 demon to 1/10000000000000000000000 demon. Half demons are Cambions or shit like that.

>>54496366
> if we're looking at it logically, a huge portion of the population should have enough dragon in them to be 'half' dragon

And this is why there is an entire race and a sorcerer archetype for it in 5e

>>54496379
So he can get angry about it and post it on 4chan.

>>54496377
>jumps to the most extreme possible exaggeration of an example he can think of
ah, so
>>54496363
was right and you were strawmanning.

>>54496380

At least someone knows what he's talking about.

>>54496385
>entire race
Which race? Dragonborn? Dragonborns have nothing to do with humans or other races, they were created that way, like Elves or Orcs, they aren't half dragon half something.

>>54496377
>half dragon is equivalent to hedgehog space marine time breaker
I think you might have had a stroke. That's the only way I can imagine someone would have that wacked out a "shit's bad" scale.

>>54496395
They're significantly more than half dragon.
We're talking about like 80% here.

>>54496377
>I control the setting, so I'm going to give these guys all sorts of special powers, then accuse them of being snowflakes.
why?

>>54495612
Mary-Sues,Special Snowflakes, sometimes even both.

>All these shits crying special snowflake over half dragons
I've had much weirder and it was great. One of the races I've seen done great is intelligent colonies of clothing and armor.

Half dragons? Rather fuckable, if I do say so myself.
Though I'm left to question whether they'd be good the standard generic fantasy setting. In that context, it screams special snowflake, and first impressions are only made once. It'll be hard to overcome that bias, no matter how unjust, even if the character is well written.
The struggle of most characters is to improve (ie acquire power in some form be it martial or otherwise), and address the problems they have with themselves and their actions. Perhaps you could turn this on its head. Rather than trying to acquire power, a big portion of the struggle is learning to control power, and actually suffering severe consequences for not being able to manage it properly. I mean real consequences that actually negatively affect you and the party, just like if any other party member crit failed. Only it was a terrible crit success. There's also the opportunity for the classic "what does it mean to be human" theme, but that's been done to death so if you want it to shine, it better be damn good.

The problem is that this sort of shit really feels like it belongs more in a work of written fiction, as opposed to the collaborative environment that is a tabletop game. It draws the spotlight onto the half dragon.
And frankly, it still feels kinda faggoty just based on the fact that it's a half dragon. But what can I say? I'm racist.

I think it could be done well. It would require a group with great synergy and a roleplayer who really knows what they're doing, but it could be done.

Obviously, I'm just basing all of my shit on assumptions and gut reaction. If your setting has normalized catgirls? Sure, whatever floats your boat. But I don't see it flying very well in the generic fantasy setting where dragons are rare, super powerful creatures. People walk into this shit with assumptions, and it's already been said: that's what session 0 is for.

>>54496417
>When you played a soul cursed into an armor when you were a kid back in middleschool
>When years later FMA gets releases and you can't sue them for stealing your idea

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>>54495612
If it's good enough for lucha underground, it's good enough for me.
And lucha lets you play FULL dragons, to boot. And space men. And robots. And necromancers. And immortal midgets.

>>54496388
>>54496396
>Your example is more extreme than mine even though they use the exact same logic, so you're wrong! My Dragon waifu could never be that bad!

The Snowflake defense force is really showing their stuff today.

>>54496454
>I control the setting, so I'm going to give these guys all sorts of special powers, then accuse them of being snowflakes.
why?

>>54496417
To be fair, that actually sounds like it could be really neat. It's an intelligent idea that would be difficult to execute on, leading one to believe the player must actually have a plan to pull it off. It's not something the average person who plays special snowflakes is interested in doing because it's a lot of work and doesn't make the character and extension of their person, but a colony organism.

Your standard (or rather, non-standard) mix of whatever is easy to come up with and I have seen far more terrible, TERRIBLE executions of it than I have seen good ones. The stigma isn't entirely unfounded. Only unfair to those who didn't deserve it.

>>54496462
I'm just saying that people who cry snowflake on something as mundane as a half dragon have never had the joys of a man who is just skin filled with moths.

>>54496454
>half dragon is equivalent to hedgehog space marine time breaker
Like, that is why I included the "if it's really shit" clause.
And you are sort of a huge shit if you think they are equivalent.

>>54496487
The argument was never that they were equivalent, the argument was that they were justified via the same patterns of broken logic.

>>54496475
I suppose. I guess my problem isn't people being special, persay, it's when that specialness is their only redeeming quality, or they are so far beyond the boundaries of the setting that it's just too special.
By contrast, a special snowflake just melts away when you subtract whatever makes them special. Poorly written, self insert, very sensitive, generally the best with little to no effort. You know the type. We all do. I hope.
So I'm not about to exclude stuff just for being special, provided it's well written. Just please don't make me rewrite shitloads to justify it.

>Setting has half dragons
>Setting doesn't have hedgehogs space marine time breakers
>If you allow the former by the same logic you have to allow the later
The fuck is wrong with your brain?

>>54496570
It's only broken if you strawman it and don't include clauses like "if it's really bad".
Like, that is a dictionary definition of a strawman. You remove a part of the argument, and then exaggerate it as much as possible to make it look dumb.

The only reason you could argue it's not a strawman is if you legitimately think they are equivalent.

>>54496583
That's why I tend to make whatever players choose common races. They no longer are special then.
You can always veto the hedgehogs, but if you're vetoing pretty tame shit like half dragons, I have to say you're crying wolf.

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>>54495798
>>54495871
These posts are were the topic should have ended to be honest, but instead we get 80+ posts of tumblrinas and underaged posters trying to defend why THEIR snowflake is different and should be allowed.

I think I honestly preferred /tg/ when it was all autistic grognards, over this nu-gen crowd of weeaboos and underaged posters we have now.

>>54496622
>asspained autist unable to differentiate between hedgehogs and half dragons is also unable to run a session zero

>>54496622
But anon, in the old days you had heroes with laser guns and swords rescuing two headed lizard women from the great zod with the help of their hawk man friend.

>>54496622

Get out of here you oldfag!

You're not wrong tho.

>>54496640
He's a millenial, anon, he doesn't remember old fantasy.
To him, 1st ed D&D is old.

>>54496640
This is a good brand of special snowflake.

After all, it's only things that I like that should be allowed.

>>54496640
Somehow that stuff was still slightly more bearable than the cesspit /tg/ is now.

It was always a cesspit, but the shit stinks just a little bit more now, and comes up high enough to seep into your boots.

>>54496622
But anon, in early /tg/ we had much wilder races.
The whole "humans only" thing is something newfags do.

And the nu-male thing is something /pol/ does.

>>54496660
That's probably because you weren't born yet.

>>54496594
I like how nobody had the balls to respond to this guy after he demonstrated the other guy was literally using strawmen, and instead the other guy started shitposting.

>>54496693

This is 4chan. If you can't argue with someone, the standard way of replying is shitposting.
Actually, the standard way of replying is shitposting.

>>54496711
This is true.

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>>54496594
Not the guy you're replying to.

I'm legit curious - why do you want to play a half dragon? What does it change about your character, about the way it plays, or the way it interacts with the world, which makes you desire that race combination? What do you want from it? There are no wrong answers, you can want it for whatever you want it for.
I guess that carries with it some implicit assumptions about what you think the setting will be like, so lay those out for me if you're game.
I'm assuming a sort of generic fantasy setting. I think that if you couldn't articulate that during session zero, or if you only wanted it for the sake of appearance with no impact on how NPCs or PCs percieved you, then people would be a lot more hesitant to green light it.

>>54496711
You might even say shitposting is the bedrock this community is built on.

>>54496757
Actually a half dragon isn't on the characters I want to play list.
The most out there races on that list right now are a treant and a robot doctor with shitty, cut-rate claw hands.

>>54496693
It's not that nobody has the balls, it's that nobody really cares to get in an argument whether anime characters should be allowed in games or not. Everyone reasonable left the topic after the first dozen or so replies.

>>54496786
So not only do you not have the balls, you also weren't around for the time when fantasy anime was based on D&D core books.

>>54496757
who says I want to play a half dragon? is not down my alley of races

>>54496757
>An intellectual and genuinely curious question with a decent attitude, a witty image and a fundamental understanding of the community.

I didn't know anons like this actually existed. You are now my favourite anon.

>>54496796
Here is your (you), now stop baiting, you're as bad as the shitposter who was against you earlier.

>>54496826
I like how when someone points out that you are calling something anime that was originally based on D&D, you call it bait.
It's almost like you yourself are baiting.

>>54496838
Well, shitposting and trolling is the only thing left to him, really. Can you blame him?

>>54496757
I want to play the son of a milenary old evil dragon (who wants to conquer the multiverse) who spends his life playind videogames in the basement for eternal disgust of his parent and who flunked magic school more times than scales has his body and who dates half orc ladies without his father approvation

>>54496838

I mean, he's either ignorant or baiting. Or both. Knowing 4chan, probably both.

>>54496866
I like how the only guy that claims to actually want to play a half dragon in the thread is the embodiment of a strawman.

>>54496772
The second one makes me chuckle. A treant isn't so unusual that I would shoot it down, but I'd want to know what you were planning.

>>54496800
You can extrapolate it to a more general question. Why do you want to play whatever exotic races you do?

>>54496813
Awww shucks. Sadly I don't think I deserve that. I was just browsing through the old /tg/ folder and decided to come back and visit for a bit, and post like back in the old days. We'll see if I stick around. The high level of dialogue, thought, and discourse is what kept me here. The last time I visited was when the quest threads choked the board to death. At one point it seemed like it fell to /vg/ standards, and I have yet to see what I'd call a good general. But this thread, even with its problems, is far and away LEAGUES beyond anything I'd find there. On top of that, I'm nearing bed time. I can't stay up all night and shitpost like I used to. Only until 4:45 in the morning, you see.

>>54496895
I don't have any huge reasons for the treant. I just really fucking love plants, and it's a playable plant race.

Also they're physically imposing, so I can be the group's muscle if everyone else wants to play non-muscle, which happens more than you'd think.

But mostly because I fucking love plants.

I'm glad that the robot doctor is self explanatory enough for you to get right away.

>>54496895
Man, that quest shit is super exaggerated.

>>54496895
The most exotic race I want to play is Aasimar, but just because I don't find appealing other exotic races doesn't mean I dislike others playing them.

>>54496927
It is sort of hard to find a time in the board's history where quest threads "choked the board to death". Even in their absolute most populous period, the vast majority of the board was not quests, and moved actively.

>>54496866
>>54496887
Also he has a sister who is everything his parent wants him to be, but is a women so she can't inherit the title of ultimate evil dragon

>>54496895

Darn. I'm a fairly new guy here, mostly just lurking, and I was kinda (happily) surprised to see someone that's not baiting or trying to stuff their own thoughts down someone else's throat.

>>54495612
I've had one in my most recent campaign as an NPC, the result of experimentation that wasn't fully developed, while he gained much in power, a much greater expanded lifespan and a thick durable hide his body suffers from all kind of joint problems, a bit like gigantism.

If players want to be one then Dragonborn is the best they're getting.

>>54496967
He's subtly baiting a little, but we're gonna let that slide and try to engage with him properly.

>>54496969
>DMPC
Die in a fire

>>54496969
Like we've established, dragonborn are way more dragon per pound than half dragons anyway.

>>54496236
do they reproduce by hand holding ?

>>54497004
Yes.
Technically, by handholding and dancing.
The insemination occurs when the male dips the female.

>>54496984

I mean, everyone is subtly baiting a little at all times. This is 4chan. If you can't make at least one anon annoyed with your comment, you're doing it wrong.

>>54496228
>That picture

Man, both games are garbage, but damned if 5eg hasn't provided me with some DAMN good atmosphere art for my roll20 games.

PFG.... has.... not.

>>54497017
That's why we're letting him slide.

>>54496895
>quest threads choked the board to death
>At one point it seemed like it fell to /vg/ standards

>>54496446
God I LOVE Lucha Underground. I wish there were a system that actually ran an OTT silly wrestling universe well.

>>54497025
You've got to allow a man a little bait, anon.

>>54497028
I need to watch more of it, but I can't get drunk enough to watch it without getting sick.
And watching it while not drunk makes me feel like the announcers are designed for someone way more drunk than I am.
Damn my inability to get inebriated properly without throwing up all my precious drugs.

>>54497012
I learned more about scorpions in this thread than I ever did in highschool. Waddayaknow.

>>54496757
>implying I want to play a dragonborn
Nigga I'm perma-GM. I'm not wanting to play a dragon born, I just want to make players enjoy the game. And I see a bunch of folks going "those folks will be out of the game, because they're shit for picking such a race" and that just jives me.

I mostly run games for my friends who are not going to be crazy stupid about playing super special snowflakes. But if they come to me with an odd character concept which they give an OK reason for wanting to play - "warforged with a soul to see how that makes a difference between other beings with a soul and a robot with one" or "six-shooter maid mage because the weird character creation is the only chance I would be able to play it" I would give a damn good thought about if that could be integrated into the setting.

Because I play with friends, and you should too. It makes playing more fun.

>>54497066
so, does that mean the warforged has two souls, since warforged already have souls?

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>>54495612
Made for making 1/4 dragons.
In all honesty I don't think they really work, especially if the setting already has dragonborn in it. They inherently rely on making the character (PC or NPC) special because of their parentage. All the other aspects of their personality that might be interesting turn into "oh (s)he is ______________ because of their race" even more so than with more regular fantasy races.

>>54497063
Say what you will about fetishes, but I research my goddamn monstergirls.

>>54495612
I actually did this once.
>Created a Gnome Fighter with Pirate background whose oath was to return to the tavern-wench that stole his heart.
>Played the Gnome as a stereotypical pirate who said "Yar" a lot and constantly spouted bullshit stories he made up, but actually believed himself.
>Finally go off on a tangent and say that the Tavern-Wench was kidnapped by his greatest nemesis, an enormous manatee.
>Every time something goes wrong, the Gnome blames the fucking manatee for fucking up everything.
>Campaign gets put on indefinite hiatus when DM has a nervous breakdown and goes into seclusion for ages.
>New campaign with new DM. Make a female Wood Elf Rogue.
>Can't decide on background so I rolled a dice. Sailor background.
>Decide to say that this is the tavern-wench.
>Fucking badass rolls, 2 18's and lowest is 14.
>Proceed to be the groups main tank for the game as she's running around with AC 18 at level 1 and the rest of the party are spell-casters.
>DM has this whole world where there are no Dragonborn, instead dinosaur people.
>I play the Rogue as suspecting that the Manatee is behind everything.
>Decide to go full tank and multi-class into Draconic Sorcerer (AC 20 at level 4)
>Say she starts growing scales across her body.
>DM throws me a bone, because the manatee story amuses him.
>We get to the end of a big, epic quest to guide an old Dino-man hero to the top of some holy mountain for some ritualistic suicide.
>We get to the top of the mountain and step into a large arena-like crater, where the Dino-men's progenator supposedly waits.
>MFW in the middle of the crater is the Manatee. Roll for initiative.
>We get rekt, but not killed.
>Manatee greets the Dino-man hero and tells him he'll assume his true form for the ceremony.
>Manatee transforms into a Dragon.
>The Dino hero is then transformed into the first dragonborn.
>Manatee dragon then reveals why the Wood Elf was brought here.
>Darth_Vader.jpg
And that's how my DM made me play a Half-Dragon

>>54496991
Eat my shit, never said he was a DMPC, he's an NPC studying magical phenomena and shit in a tower, I just felt it was an easy way to show a character getting out of hand with his own experiments. The players had to travel there to find out some shit themselves.

>>54497088
And you have my utmost respect for that kind of dedication.

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>>54497083
I like to go the other way at it, and use the cantina effect.
Sure you're a half dragon. That guy's a wookie. That other guy is a brain in a jar. That guy apparently has a black void instead of a face because of magical sacrifices.

>>54497121
It has made my internal fantasies a bit more complicated, but thank you.
It's kind of a turn off when they just slap human genitals on there and call it a day.

>>54495752
>have to birth through their ass
that's my fetish

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>>54497088
>Putting research in your fetishes

>>54497113

I need moar of that story.
Also, what happened to the gnome? Did that story ever get picked up again?

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>>54496916
We'd get along well, I think.
>>54496927
Eh, I only have hazy memories of it. The quest threads bothered me less than what I perceived as a drop in the level discourse. After awhile it seemed like all I could get was shitposts and very little meaningful discussion. I just got tired of filtering threads and panning for gold in others. But maybe I just got unlucky. My pal who browsed reported similarly though.
>>54496967
Well, don't be too down yet. There are good ones out there. Like I said, 4chan is mostly sifting through a lot of shit to find the gems. /tg/ has simply been pretty rich, and it isn't hard to imagine why. Traditional games are all about putting effort into your creativity. And of course, you can make your own fun with carefully crafted bait.

With that, I'm out. Thanks for the conversation, and good morning.

>>54497127
But those guys (except maybe the void one) have the same problem that I was trying to say.
Brain in a jar is a brain in a jar first with the personality forming around it, that is "I am ____ despite/because I'm a brain in a jar".
Even the wookie gets the same treatment. Say what you will about Chewie but he was wookie first, Chewie second. He was a great fighter because he was a wookie and he had a blood debt to Solo because he was a wookie. Instead of representing himself he is representing the wookies.

>>54497164
>You can make your own fun with carefully crafted bait.

I'm going to take those words of advice to heart. Good morning to ya, and hope to see you again in the cesspit that is tg.

>>54497042
The announcing is bad.... really bad. Matt striker just plain sucks at his job, and Vampyro is just phoning it in during the live English commentary and planning what he's going to say during the spanish commentary.... the Spanish commentary is actually FANTASTIC, but then you have to speak Spanish to go that route... then again if you live in America, how do you not speak Spanish yet?


As for systems, There's a D20 run one, that seems like the least shitty SRD game I've ever seen... but that's sort of like being the world's smartest retard. There's also an apocalypse-world one, that looks GREAT, but the thing is you're not playing wrestling characters in a silly alternate universe where all the drama of wrestling is real, but you are playing the actor/athletes of wrestling promotions: working together with your opponent against the GM (dubbed "creative") to get as much audience approval as possible... which is cool, but not what I'm looking for when I want to run a game in gonzo-luchaverse.

>>54496308
I've been playing a human for just about thirty years, anon. I want to try something a little different for a while.

>>54497251
>There are dozens of races
>Wants to play half-dragon, but it's okay, because he only wants to play them "for a change"

The sheer mechanics of it astound me.

>>54496277

This guy here has the only real accurate response to this thread.

>>54496308

Meanwhile humans are the mechanically optimal characters.

... Which is why I play them.

>>54495650

fpbp

I play a half dragon because a dragon fucked my mom

>>54497314
You mean the dozens of races that boil down to "human in Star Trek makeup"?

>>54496106
Have a Dragonslayer villian. Some sort of medieval knight. Have his powers almost directly, but not completely counter hers.

Then, after she gets her ass handed to her and needs saving, you reveal that the villain is a regular human with no magic at all.

>>54495612
I prefer them over Dragonborn desu, but I still don't like them that much

>>54497163
Sadly, the game with the Gnome never did pick up again, he is now a character that I use in my campaigns, whenever I need some humour.

As for the Wood Elf, due to the differences between the worlds, we decide that the Manatee had kidnapped her from a different plane of existance, so it ended with her being transported back to be with her Gnome.

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>be me
>half-dragon, because jackass diety says so
>dragons have returned in droves to homeland
>be the only one who can permenantly kill them
>via eating their souls

>only useful because half-dragon
>feelsbadman.jpg
>get married and build a homestead

>can't make a baby
>probably impotent
>adopt some kids, try to give them the life I never had
>get them a dog, because I love them and they've always wanted one
>dragons keep on popping up
barely ever see wife & kids because half-dragon

>tfw you're a failure of a husband and father
>tfw when you can't die because dragon-half.

just kill me senpai.

>>54499057
Become CHIM and bullshit them back to life.

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>>54495612
Some are just normal girls that happen to have some traits and are nigh-indestructible.

>>54495798
>Generally played by special snowflakes who need an excuse to have special powers or be better than everyone without actually working for it at all.
Can confirm.

>>54496640
>>54496648
>>54496649
Except that in those the Protagonist usually was human , the love interest was human and he had a non-human sidekick.

But of course you chose to disregard that and instead pretend that you are blithering retards so you have an argument.

Is there really much difference between half-dragon and dragonborn?

>>54496280
Fantasycraft does this.

>>54495612
Never furry enough.

>>54496106
Is the characters name a female version of Kenta by any faint chance?

>>54501162
Dragonborn can breed

>>54501905
But can they breed with Dragons?

>>54501969
Anything can breed with dragons, if they're brave enough

>>54501986
So could there be Half-Dragon Dragonborn?

>>54501997
It'd pretty much just be a dragonborn on steroids, like the Pillar Men of Dragonborn

>>54501986
>mating with an adult dragoness
how?
does it imply acrobatic checks for diving? Climbing? Hiding in narrow spaces?

>>54502074
I'm pretty sure according to D&D a dragon can just become humanoid

>>54502029
Glorious.

So the best way to cheese this would be to make a Half-Dragon Dragonborn who has levels as a Sorcerer with a Draconic Bloodline.

Draonception!

>>54502074
Shape-shifting. On your part; she's not going to compromise her glorious form or lower herself with something less satisfying.

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>>54495612
I once made a silly goku style monk half-dragon whose mother was a dumb white dragon. I wanted to just have a forehead first into battle character. Race itself was basically just Dragonborn, was keen on making sure DM was allright with me playing something stupid.

But hell of a lot of fun, silly races are best taken when the setting can accomodate it, and the player does not take themselves so seriously.

I find the best combo for max-fun is mixing humor with seriousness, too much of one can get tiring.

But yeah, I had ridiculous stories of my caster team just buffing my speed to ridiculous amounts and using my monk abilities to boost even further to drop kick a demigod in the skull before getting banished into oblivion in a scripted loss, and similar escapades of ridiculous bs.

>>54495612

I have a setting where Half Dragons are common place.

There's only a few real dragons in the world and each one represents a different take on the theme of Greed.

The Gold Dragon rules a vast metropolis and surrounding land and has done so for a very very long time. There's a great deal of half-dragons and other mutts. She considered everyone with even a drop of her blood to be family and carefully micromanages their lives like a stereotypical ironfisted family matriarch who "knows better than you." At the same time she attributes everything they accomplish to her guidance, and makes sure everyone else does to.

One of the playable races was a Half-Dragon related to her (it used basic dragonblooded stats though). Someone took the bait and make a Half-dragon who ran off to forge her own destiny.

>>54495951
>RC
wut

>>54496300
I regret making this image.

>>54502288
I had a similar character in that she was a Half-Dragon trying to get out from her parents control. The difference is that she got sick of being used as a weapon in their fights against each other since their marriage went up in flames.

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>>54501162
Dragonborn look like this while half-dragon look like OP's pic related, I guess?

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I'd say it depends heavily on the type and how it is played. Yes they're going to be a special snowflake as a PC no matter what you do, especially Metallic, but a Chromatic who is not a giant asshole would likely face an awful lot of hate from pretty much anyone and likely bite right back. However, if played correctly and their heritage, colour and upbringing taken into careful consideration and not simply 'Look at how speshul I am' could make for an interesting character.

I also think a trap most fall into with females is that they make them too pretty, just a attractive girl with some patches of scales. I think they should be right in the uncanny valley, twisted, monstrous and disturbing in appearance that'd evoke disgust or fear, akin to a more extreme >>54495612