Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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FIrst for the craftworld

>>54489124
But how bout the second profile?
2D6 Earthshakers sounds nifty right?
I mean the thing needs minimum 1,080 Guardsmen to take it down. Thats meme-y right?

Cato lost in the warp around the same time as the Tau Sphere.
Looks like we got a warp party boys, who brought the warp refreshments, AKA fresh Eldar

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What will my looted Magmadroth proxy as?

>>54489185
Fulgrim

>>54489185
Maulerfiend

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>>54489150
>those mold lines

> 360pts for all rerolls within 6" with Bob+Ultramarines
> or get 1 Hit and Wound rerolls per unit and use that points for something else with Salamanders

What would you guys choose?

>>54489166
>First Fag

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>>54489190
>>54489207
>Looted

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Rather set on playing Imperial Fists because I love the whole defensive siege style army, Prussian and
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
influences but i've been spending my day hungover on my couch reading about the Salamanders and I love their protection of regular humans to death. Love the whole defenders of the common man theme for them. With the chapter tactics out, which one is better and most importantly, more fun between the two?

tell me about reivers, why do they wear the masks?

also whats the profile of the carbine? i presume its just a bolt rifle with chopped up range? (if its assault, it will be extremely pleasurable 4 me)

>>54489224
Sallies are far better, especially with a Captain and Lt to re-roll all 1's to hit and wound and still get one other re-roll each per unit.

>>54489224
If just going for the re-rolls, you're not always gonna want/be able to keep everything in your army within that 6'' bubble.

>>54489272
It's an assault 2 bolter.

Exactly the same as the auto bolt rifle. Which is dumb.

Equally as dumb as stormbolters, twin-linked boltguns and combi-bolters all being the exact same gun.

>>54489258
Salamanders, more cool conversion work and less painting headaches

>>54489272
They wear the masks because they're supposed to be a terror unit. Also I imagine that the carbines are just going to be boltguns, but I won't know until they release stats.

I want to run a shit ton of vanguard veterans in my deathwatch army, at least 15. Already built a three hammer and shield, two heavy thunder hammer unit, what other setups are good?

Corvus Blackstar's got a nerf today

>>54489272
Masks are terror weapons.
Carbines are assault 2 bolters.
You're a faggot that needs spoon feeding.

>>54489324
>but I won't know until they release stats.
Literally every last thing in the Codex has been leaked except for fluff and some of the points costs.

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>>54489185
Squiggoth, maybe?

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>>54489318

>twin-linked boltguns and combi-bolters

Those have always been the same

>>54489185
Necklets btfo

>>54489348
Oh has it? I guess I haven't been paying attention. I don't really care about the game itself I mostly only care about the painting and modelling.

>>54489292
>>54489321
New to the game, whats so great about their rules? Great at lighting shit on fire right?

So Bob's obsolete now?

>>54488023

Just out of interest, it would require 22.1 Arquebus shots sans buffs to kill Guilliman's first stage of 9 wounds, and 8.59 to kill his second stage of average 3.5 wounds if he rezzes. If we slash that second figure in half for him only picking himself up half the time, that's 26.39 Arquebus shots total, or 28 if we round both stages up.
This equals 4.66 => 5 Arquebi firing for every turn of a 6-turn game, or 5.6 => 6 Arquebi firing for every turn of a 5-turn game, which they almost certainly won't get to do.

>>54489156

I'm going to also put that up against the Neutron, but obviously it would probably have other optimal opponents I CBF to work out right now. Most optimal profile for THIS against the NL is T4 5+.

7 shots, 2.33 hits, 1.94 wounds, 3.88 damage total.
NL fires, does 1.33 hits, 1.11 wounds 4.44 damage total.

Obviously against 1W targets the Macrocannon will kill more due to damage not factoring, but still, pretty pathetic given that's literally the best situation and it's killing only about 2 models.

>>54489339
Are you surprised ? Primaris marines are designed as babbies-first-wargame, with snap fit models, pre-coloured plastic and an entirely different scale compared to the rest of the game, making them large enough to fingerpaint.

>>54489242
Fuck off, I've been waiting all week to be the first post.

>>54489366
Which is also dumb, but now that they're also identical to stormbolters it's even more stupid. There's no need for 3 different weapons all used by the same Faction to have the same statline. I understand if there are some Tau guns or Eldar guns that are reskinned Imperium guns or Tyranid guns or something, but this is just stupid.

Are Thousand Sons any good in 8th edition?

>>54489383
A-at least the Bolters are better than a mob of Boyz?

>>54489380
Wat?

>>54489366
Except when they weren't, and the stormbolter was assault 2 24'' whilst the combi-bolter was a twin-linked boltgun.

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Now that Flyer Spam has been killed, what is the next best WAAC list?

Primaris Sisters!

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>>54489389
Anon, no.

Only starter sets and easy to build are snap fit. Regular boxes aren't. And no pre coloured plastic either.

And the fuck are you going on about with scale? That's completely wrong.

This must be bait.

>>54489391
There's a whole world out there anon, you've only got one life.

>>54489254

Ooh!

A Trukk!

>>54489380
My friend fielded him the other day and I'm very glad he was on my side because he killed a librarian in termie armor, a mob of cultists, and a hellbrute and I don't think he took a single wound.

>>54489396

So you're mad that they have different text names instead of all sharing the same name? Is that really something worth getting upset about.

>>54489411

>Except when they weren't

Combi-bolters and twin bolt guns have always been identical

>and the stormbolter was assault 2 24'' whilst the combi-bolter was a twin-linked boltgun.

Reread the post retard.

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>>54489400
No.

I don't want any more people defiling my precious space egyptian marines. Specially not people that only consider playing them because they might not be bottom trash tier for once in decades

>>54489389
>Primaris marines are designed as babbies-first-wargame, with snap fit models, pre-coloured plastic and an entirely different scale compared to the rest of the game, making them large enough to fingerpaint.
You realize the snapfit are only for the very first releases, most other armies have also had snapfit releases, and they're getting the real multi-kits now?

Let me guess, you're another buttmangled marinelet player lol

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The Necron nerf was a sad change from my point of view. But at least it makes sense thematically.
>Crons that dies to loss of morale can no longer be reanimated.

>>54489430
Why do auts freak out about coloured plastic its just a dye

>>54489383
So is there ANYTHING good about the Strongpoint?

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>>54489418
Cheap infantry spam.

>>54489452

I also get very upset about things I'm not going to buy, play or paint.

>>54489418
how did flyer spam get killed?

I have so many marinelets... should i just sell them off?

Lol at the flyer changes, I hope everybody who bought multiple stormravens in the past month kills themselves.

>>54489455
>>Crons that dies to loss of morale can no longer be reanimated.

Wait, how the fuck are you suppose to keep track of that ? So when 3 die to enemy fire, and one runs away, only 3 can come back ?

>>54489383
Does the Void Missile Battery configuration fare any better? Im holding out hope its not completely useless

>>54489338
No one was taking halo launcher over auspex anyway, but yeah it is bullshit. Also GSC stealers went to 15 points stealer cult is fucking dead

>>54489446
>So you're mad that they have different text names instead of all sharing the same name?
They have different names AND different models but GW got lazy and gave them all the same rules instead of actually diversifying and giving them different flavorful little add-on abilities. Like Stormbolters could Overwatch on 5+ or something.

>>54489455
At Ld10 you shouldn't lose models to morale often anyway

>>54489487

burn them and put it on youtube

>>54489486

flyers don't count as models on the table for the purposes of sudden death, so if you kill all of the enemies ground troops they auto lose.

>starter sets are afforable and good value
>wow gw has really chang-
>single boxes are the same price as the starters
Nope its completely fucked still

>>54489499
>How do you keep track of that
Put the ones that flee away separately to the ones that are killed.

>>54489504

So you're mad about 11 characters of text on each of their profiles. That's why you're working yourself up.

>>54489458
They freak out about what it represents because they think that people will be inclined to not put any effort into their precious hobby that they think is exclusive to them because the plastic is already colored.

>>54489521
>Eldar starter set is trash.

>that feel mang

>>54489509
what about having models in reserves?
does that counter being tabled if all you have left is flyers?
Also flyers in hover mode don't count as being ground models?

>>54489400
Yes, they are

>>54489486
Flyers don't count as models on the table for purposes of getting tabled.

So if some faggot brings his tourney winning netlist of 5 Stormravens and 6 Tactical Marines, all you need to do is kill the Tac Marines and you win automatically.

And if he keeps them transported inside the Stormravens he tables himself because models in transports don't count as being on the table either.

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Finally after weeks of procrastinating I was able to paint my first Necrons that I bought a few weeks ago. I haven't properly glued them to the bases though since the way I'm going to do them requires priming. I like blue.

>>54489509
>burn them and put it on youtube
I'm not really mad enough to do that, and I actually like some of the primaris models, but I can't deny it is hard to stay motivated about painting my current backlog of marinelets

>>54489487
Melt them down and cast them into a giant marine

>>54489547
And units in transports? Do they count?

>>54489568
not, but the transports themselves do count if they aren't Flyer battlefield role

>>54489530
I always just lay down any models waiting for reanimation protocols.

>>54489403
>>54489477

Well, if you buy all four Heavy Bolters you score a total of four hits, and against the two Heavy Stubbers on that Onager you kill 2.66 Ork Boys with the Macrocannon as opposed to 1.66 Ork Boys with the Onager.

1.94+2.66 = 4.61
1.11+1.66 = 2.77
4.61-2.77 = 1.84

1.84x6 = 11.04

Yes anon, if you both choose to shoot your antitank weaponry at Ork Boys you successfully kill 11.04 points worth of Boys more than the Dunecrawler. For 442 points as opposed to 151 points, so he could beat you there and still have 140 points left to play with, which is 3 points short of YET ANOTHER DUNECRAWLER. All three together would have more Wounds and better saves, although obviously they'd degrade a bit and are T7 as opposed to T10. However, they can benefit from accuracy buffs. And be repaired. And move.

>>54489501

Plz post stats and I can mathhammer it out for you.

>>54489487
If you're quitting 40k, sure why not.

If it is because you think that marines will get squatted, well guess what GW made a unit profile for not!-primaris lieutenants. There was literally zero reason to waste effort on that, specially considering that it will actively hurt the sales of primaris lieutenants, unless they wanna keep regular marines for the foreseeable future.

>>54489547
>what about having models in reserves?
Not on the table.

>does that counter being tabled if all you have left is flyers?
Yes.

>Also flyers in hover mode don't count as being ground models?
Nope.

>>54489547
>Models in reserve
Don't count

>Models in Transports
Don't count, but the transport does so it's irrelevant

>Flyers in hover mode
Don't count, Anything with the Flyer battlefield role is discounted.

>>54489587
Yeah, something like that works. Think of the ones that flee as having buggered off back to the mothership or tomb complex.

>>54489562
Well, since normal marines are for the most part better then primaris, maybe that will motivate you.

>>54489600
>>does that counter being tabled if all you have left is flyers?
>Yes.
Sorry I misread, I thought you said "does that count as being tabled if you have is flyers".

No, it does not *counter* being tabled.

>>54489618
What about models in flyers?

>>54489562
lel, do you just stop working out or going outside if you see someone 3 inches taller than you? Primaris are a supplement to normal marines and are meant to be fielded in unison, the new guys still need the grizzled vets to show them how its done

Is it better to buy SC! X even though I don't need some of its contents, or buy only the individual boxes I need?

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>>54489590
Also just realized its only 20pts more wow

>>54489639
Are they on the table?
If not, then no they don't count.

>>54489600
>>54489568
>tfw I run 5 flyers in 2000 points
what do I do?
>inb4 fucking space marines fags spamming flyers, I play Elysians and it's our only viable strategy

>>54489639
Those aren't on the table, so still auto-loss.

Sorry about your all-flyer army anon.

>>54489150

Dumb question, but I see the webpage says the new stuff is shipping on the 29th. Does that mean shipping for everyone (both retailers and regular web customers) or would I be able to pick up the new stuff on the 29th at retailers?

>>54489565
yes

>>54489599
it might convince people on the fence to stick around a while if they know they can still use their legacy models

The main issue I am having is I have a whole bunch of painting left to do on my marinelets, and repainting models I originally painted 15 years ago (before I knew the thin my paints), but these new models are way cool.

>>54489642
I already barely go outside

>>54489639
Embarked models aren't on the table.

If at the end of a battle round the only models you have on the table have the Flyer Battlefield Role, you are tabled and your opponent wins a Crushing Victory.

>>54489658
Burn your Elysians and post it on youtube

>>54489648
depends, what army, what do you need and do you convert/kitbash?

>>54489630

You're going to be in for a rough awakening over the next month desu...

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>>54489506
Yeah, but I've often encountered that if the enemy wills it so; that 20 blob of warriors will go down to 8 or so.
This will incur loss of crons to morale. The most fun I have is to have a single model remaining from which the rest can sprout back like the weeds they are.
>This efficiently stops this.

>>54489499
The FAQ actually tells you this.
>Put the morale casualties somewhere else ya nimrod.

>>54489648
Which set? It matters
>>54489652
Also just found the 6th/7th rules for the Macrocannon where it had the ability to knock down flyers in a straight line from the gun to the template. I miss fun

>>54489658
Lose I guess.

>>54489658
Disembark your Troops, son.

>>54489648
depends on the faction really, some SC! are crazy good (Tau/Skitarri) whereas others not so much (Eldar/tyranids)

>>54489560
I gagged at your filename and the crons just got nerfed.

I've heard that there's a Tau Codex leak - anyone seen if? Local Tauboy crying over chapter tactics.

>>54489687
For the most part, there are still plenty of things regular marines are better at than Primaris, although Primaris in the Codex definitely got a big bump from the Index and are viable now as a standalone force.

However, I'm sure we'll continue to see more and more Primaris releases moving forward that really do begin to tip the scale and increasingly make oldmarines irrelevant.

>>54489729
>crying over chapter tactics
>can ignore the raven guard one altogether
I mean the salamanders one can rape suits but really?

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>>54489166

>>54489729
There have been zero leaks of any other Codex, and there's no way in fuck we're going to see stuff like Tau anytime soon either. GW haven't even finalized release dates for any of the ones after the first 4.

>>54489729
>Local Tauboy crying

But anon, that is all Tauboys do in 8th edition, nothing special.

If he is being buttblasted about marines getting chapter tactics, he's just being a retard for not know all armies with <something> keywords are getting something similar in due time. 8th edition isn't really finished before everything got its codex.

>>54489750

The issue is that the best non-primaris stuff tends to be things that aren't out of place in a primaris army anyway, like dreads, predators etc

As far as actual old-marine infantry units, primaris are getting equal footing or even slightly better in some cases. Bikes are still great but when have they ever not been?

>>54489772
tau are getting it in december

>>54489729
You seriously believe youll get a Tau codex before the very men and women who keep this Imperium safe, The Imperial Guard?
Entitled Indigo Shitskins....

>>54489729
>Tau Codex leak
???

You sure you just ain't retarded boy. We've only just got the Space Marine codex out

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>>54489642
>the new guys still need the grizzled vets to show them how its done

Primaris have been around for 100+ years by this point, most marinelets don't live that long so only the 100+ years of service captains and veterans who've survived are going to be exceeding them in experience, particularly since the Indomitus Crusade had so much manpower, and saw such intense fighting, there's probably more grizzled vets who are Primaris than marinelet.

Marinelets are just short and shit now, they have no real redeeming features over Primaris other than being cheaper, even the Sororitas have probably stopped slicking to them, since the Primaris have actually served alongside one of the Emperor's sons. They're basically Imperial Guard+ these days, the call will go out for Astartes support and when the marinelets arrive they'll get;

>"Oh, great....so no Primaris nearby huh? That's ok, I'm sure you guys can help hold the line until there are some free! Every little *cough* helps after all! Just start digging your trenches over in this sector here...".

>>54489772
Dates for the first 4 please?
I am a filthy subhuman normie that can't google for the life of me and my attention span is that of a Tau-player.

>>54489658

Put infantry on the board, retard

>>54489808
>guard getting a codex early in the edition
you wish, it's all marines, then tau, then aeldari

>>54489826
Tau are Feb 2018

>>54489150
So, question: say I take a Ad mech Patrol detachment, and than a auxillary knight/SoS squad: Do I still get my Canticles on my Admech units?

Also, can I take auxillary dettachments from ither indexes? Like a mob of mercenary Blood Axes, or a corrupted baneblade?

>>54489826

No dates yet, just that the next one is "merely weeks away"
Next one being CSM IIRC

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>>54489836

Do Black Templars use any of the codex markings for their squads or just the chapter icons?

>>54489850
Your whole army has to share a keyword

So you can take a Knight, since it has the Imperium keyword, but you can't take Blood Axes

>>54489806
Tau won't be out this year.

>>54489850
all units in the army must have <imperium> keyword for imperium factions.
detachment bonuses are there if all units have <faction> keyword like <ordo>

>>54489825
It's ok anon, nothing wrong with being a manlet IRL. If you really feel intimidated by all those people taller than you there's always the option of moving somewhere that has mostly short people.

>>54489684
>>54489692
>>54489715
Tempestus (I don't need the transport and Commisar) and/or AdMech (I don't need Dominus)

>>54489825
Maybe I should just speedpaint my marinelets and sit them on the shelf and move on to real marines

>>54489858
I know it hurts, but consider dkok and elysians who probably won't see a codex (IA15+16) until 2019 at this rate

Since Mortal Wounds basically mean it has the same damage against any durability up to T(infinite) Sv2++ rerollable, I shall first shoot it at a Warlord Titan (The toughest thing I can think of right this second) then at a hypothetical T20 Sv2+ thing I just magically constructed for purposes of Mathhammer.

Vortex Missile hits 1.16 times, wounds 8.16 times because of hypothetical infinite wounds and the 3+ Void Shields cut that down to 2.72.

Neutron Laser hits 1.33 times, wounds 0.44 times, 1.77 damage slashed to 0.59.
Multiply by 3 for evenish points and that's 1.77 again.

Against the hypothetical T20 Blob:

Vortex does 8.16 again
NL does 0.74 x3 = 2.22

Against a Land Raider, since that seems like a reasonable kinda target:

Vortex does - you guessed it - 8.16
NL does 1.33 hits, 0.886 wounds, 0.7388 after sv and 2.95 damage total.
x3 for even points and that's 8.86.

So yeah, the Vmissiles do a LOT better, especially against the hardest possible targets, although they are still slightly outdamaged by even points worth of Neutron Lasers against what's probably the toughest CONVENTIONAL vehicle. Would totally rock against Crons, though.
The fact that I had to resort to even points means it's probably a decent pick given I have yet to find much that can beat Crawlers at straight up smashing wounds off of heavy vehicles aside from Killshot Predators.

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>>54489728
I don't really mind the nerf assuming it was just the RP not working on units that ran away. I don't know how big of a deal it will be, but I didn't choose them because I heard they were strong. Although it may have influenced me a little. I've always thought they were cool, I just haven't hopped into the 40k wagon until now, that's all.
What's wrong with the filename? I find it easier to upload pictures online and saving them to my computer, instead of posting from my phone or uploading the image from my phone to my computer.

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Just played a game at LGS and got stomped hard by Orks.

He used these insane stratagems and relics he said were from the leaked Ork codex.

Did I get bamboozled or can I find this leak?

>>54489881
t. """"confident"""" manlet

>>54489383
12 TAB it takes to kill guillibob over 2 turns cost more than he does. He likely even still makes his value back just from 1 or 2 turns of his aura.

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I am actually convinced the Necrons will get their Pariahs back in 8th as a recast in their codex.

>What units do you hope for will added to your favorite faction this edition?

>>54489143
cato is lost, not is in macragge in last the council of hera (dark imperium novel) is Sicarus, not Cato Sicarius.

>from dark imperium (part three "council of hera")
>The door slammed down, and out strode Roboute Guilliman. With him were five Adeptus Custodes, two high-ranking Sisters of Silence, ten of the Victrix Guard, Captain Sicarus, Captain Ventris and, lost in the shadow of so many mighty warriors, six of his most important civilian aides, a tall Primaris Space Marine following behind them.

>>54489883
>tempestus
>doesn't need transport
>not using the best ground transport in the game
what?
>Admech
idk, don't play mechanicus, dominus is the thing legged walker right?

>>54489825

If I recall DI correctly Guilliman wasn't able to widely spread the tech for making primaris until near the end of the Imdomitus Crusade, so only now are most chapters switching to making primaris instead.

>>54489903
>Leaked Ork codex
Yeah you got bamboozled

>>54489836
>it's all marines, then tau, then aeldari
Fucking lol

They're rotating through the indexes while avoiding updating 1 major army per index til last, prioritizing the oldest codexes from 6th and 7th, interlaced with the alternating Primarch release schedule, alternating new model releases with rules-only updates.

It's way more complicated a juggling pattern than you're faggy memes.

>>54489883
You can never not use Taurox, and its STILL a better deal than two Scion boxes

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>>54489871
>use any of the codex

No, they have never been shown to use any codex marking though theres nothing stopping you. The Black Templar organization is too loose to use anything beyond veterancy ranks.

>>54489687
We've seen most of the datasheets for primaris from the new codex, there is pretty much no reason to ever take them, besides maybe hellblasters or reivers.

>>54489903
The space marine codex only just went up on pre-order, and that is the first 8th edition codex ever made.

He bamboozled you good.

>>54489903
holy shit this bait is back
yesterday it was some autist who got bamboozled by a "leaked" DE codex, now this shit.
At this rate you'll become a pasta in three weeks.

>>54489879
>>54489846
>>54489836
>>54489806

Are any of you pretending have some semblance of being in the know or is it asspull avenue up in here?

>>54489941
It's the new meme, don't respond to this fag.

>>54489931
It also mentioned not all chapters accepting them, but doesn't go into detail.

>>54489432

And now that life has one glorious moment when he got first post in the /40kg/

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>>54489974
>trusting 40kg for anything that isn't hard physical evidence

>>54489929
Nah, the hunchback HQ.

That car's that good? I just don't like how its looks and was thinking 'screw it, let's just Deep Strike."

>>54489902
I was just trying to get you into full shitposting mode. Sorry bout that.
The nerf will hurt if you field 20 blobs warrior squad but literally nothing else. I jumped into the game at 6th edition and I'm just happy actually reanimation is back, I think the factionwide 4+ FNP was cancer anyway.

>Your filename has redundant spaces and two saperate but identical extensions you nonce.
>TotesLegit.pn g.jpg.ti ff.cn n. mp3.exe

>>54489961

Everything in this post is dumb, their new equipment and points cut has made them pretty viable.

Are you getting your meta meme info from fucking facebook or something?

>>54489931
Yeah, but you've got the legion-strength grey shields being divided up and sent to existing chapters as well as forming new ones. Chadmarines are no more or less experienced than betamarines now.

>>54489922
‘The Victrix Guard were there to greet him. Captain Cato Sicarius led them.
‘My lord,’ said Sicarius. The Victrix Guard got down on bended knee.’

>>54490001
What even is that meme pic, am I getting too old to appreciate humour ?

Why isn't there a Chimera Variant with a lascannon turret?
I know why there isn't one on the tabletop, balance and all that, but what in Lore is the reason? Lascannons can go most places HB can, and some Chimera patterns have Autocannons, so clearly the turret can support it. There's even more space inside the chimera than most transports, in case they need even more power banks.
I would say that it's because there's no STC, but IG does field conversions (LR Annihilator) and AM have been retconned into making improvements and advancements all the time (Cawls fuckery).

>>54490019

Totally, I was just speaking as to existing chapters having replaced the majority of their rank and file marines with chads. Some have but others have not.

quick question about the upcoming codex

If I play Dark Angels, that will continue to use the index for now, but for units like Tactical Squads are those replaced by the codex? Do I need to buy the codex?

If they don't use the codex does this mean Dark Angels can''t use the new units like reivers and aggressors?

>>54489920
More unit choices, playing dark angels sucks for unit diversity

>>54489850
Whole army needs to share a keyword to ally, so you can only take allied dets from Index Imp 1 and Index Imp 2. Yes, if you do that instead of putting them in the Admech detachment you still get your Canticles.

>>54489911

I admit I wasn't exactly proposing it as a viable Anti-Guilliman device given that's 600 points of Rangers with Snipers. I was just throwing numbers out there for purposes of discussion, since mathhammer really helps in visualizing how much a certain weapon will help even if it looks shiny at first glance.

>>54489903

You've been had, anon, no Ork leaks or even hints of Ork leaks or possible rumours of an Ork codex in less than a year or two yet.

What kind of nonsense was he pulling out of this supposed "leaked dex"? Always like to hear stories of outrageous cheating.

>>54489929

Dominus is the HQ, and you'd still probably need two for Brigades in large games, plus they're good conversion bitz fodder after two boxes. Skits SC is so good that it's still a good discount even if you get no use from him at ALL

>>54489955
Thanks, I was just thinking crosses on both shoulder pads would get a bit boring.

>>54489901
The missile silo is built by literally removing the Eagle, which sucks but I guess if I want it not be a HUGE waste of points I need to.

Suggestions with what to man it with? The one unit restriction is kind of dumb. I tried 10 Ratlings but....they also failed to do a whole lot with S4 by itself.

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Out of the posted chapters, which one has the most FUN rules? Going to be playing the same two dudes every weekend.

>>54489920
I mean, we know they exist as a Cryptek mad science project.

>>54490048
>>>>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

>>54490036

Big battery requirements, you only really see lascannons replacing heavy bolters on tanks.

I wouldn't really be opposed to the idea t b h.

>>54490068
Don't you know Anon? Fun is a buzzword

>>54490013
Yeah, most of them are fine, but they don't obsolete old marines at all, which is what I'm saying. You can very easily run an army of just old marines, and not feel weak or like you are missing out. Primaris are just an option that exist if you feel like taking them, but aren't mandatory.

>>54490036
Because the Leman Russ and Sentinels are there to offer anti-tank support to infantry while the Chimera is there to offer more anti-infantry and covering fire for its occupants, not too different from a hummvee with a .50cal.

>>54490036

That's not its role.
It's an APC, so its weapons play a support role. Putting things like Lascannons or other heavy ordnance would make it an MBT.

>>54490068
GUARD
MANY WAYS TO HOLD THE LINE

Grey Knights are also neat to just fuck shit up and wade into their forces sword swingin', spells slingin'

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>>54490068
Necrons are FUN because they just grow back unless you exterminate them properly.
>Yes I will shill for Crons untill the day I stop playing.

You know what would be a hilarious troll move?

Letting everyone buy primaris for now, then having one of the returning Primarchs purge all of "gulliman's abominations" from his chapter upon returning.

>>54490012
Wouldn't fielding blobs of 20 still be better though? It's not like they magically lose more models from morale. If I have two units of 10 or something all that would do would make it easier to get wiped out. So wouldn't it hurt smaller units too? Or are you comparing them to Immortals now? I like Immortals.

>>54490003
>doesn't like how it looks
nobody likes how it looks, it's fucking retarded.
Also there are tonnes of conversion kits for wheels online that fix it and make it look good.
It's the best transport in the game when you give it a punisher gatling gun that's S5 Ap0 D1 Heavy 20, yes heavy 20 for a cheap af amount of points. It's worth it for the dakka, chuck in some flamer scions or put in guardsmen/vets and go to town
>>54490029
it's a reference to the phonetic pronunciation of the word "hamburger" when written in japanese, which translates to "Hambaga" in english
>>54490053
ah, if it's only the hq then it's worth the rest of the box

>>54490082

I agree that running an entirely old marine army is fine and will probably do quite well.

I merely disagree with primaris being in shit-tier, I don't think that was true outside of the starter box where they get pooped on (heh) by death guard.

... wait, what happened to the 40k 8th ed battlescribe repository? I went to update data and it's just gone

>>54489974
I just extrapolate the likeliest scenarios from all of the info at hand. I don't have "inside info" but I read all of the leaks from rumourmongers with actual info and combine that with everything else we have.

I haven't been wrong about a prediction once since last October, for what it's worth, but you have to take me at my word for that.

Here's my take: Low chance (but not nil) of a Tau release this year, unless they happen to fall into one of the rules-only update slots with no new models, and I think Tyranids and Drukhari respectively have priority on those slots after CSM and GK are out of the way.

>>54490023
dark imperium novel? part or chapter of the novel?

>>54490076
thanks

sounds like I don't need the codex then, and just the index (and packed in rules) will do

>>54490068
The way this works when my autistic brother gets into this game, and he will because he's seen me painting my models and wants to, he's going to want to play Genestealer Cult and Tyranids.

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>>54489922
Kay, pal.

>>54490094
>>54490096
I meant like the recent posted chapters dudes, splitting the DI box with a friend.

Is it just me or did Black Templar get the short end of the stick?

So there is a guy at my local shop running 3 Hemlocks and I have no fucking idea how to deal with it.

>>54490003
The car has has crazy shooting potential and even if you wanted to deep strike you can use the thing as a distraction that can put in work, what dont you like about it exactly?
and yeah the skitarri box is still great as the troops are multi-part and can make 2 different units, almost every skitarri army I've seen uses 2 or 3 as a foundation

How are Blood Angels these days? Death Company don't see amazingballs. Sanguinuary Guard neither. Also they seem to be Aura Army in Aura Edition.

>>54490139
Table the rest of his army and win

>>54490067
Heavy Weapons Teams, perhaps? I don't know, I just do the maths.

Is there no way to remove the birdy and add magnets for swapping the two? Seems like something that would probably be worth the effort.

Going to bed now, so won't be doing any more mathhammer since it takes forever without a keyboard and a calculator at hand.

>>54490048
>but for units like Tactical Squads are those replaced by the codex?
Yes. For casual play the index is still fine but tournaments may require you to use the new Codex rules.

>>54490135
The Black Templar players who are upset they're still not allowed to have Black Templar Librarians seem to agree with you.

>>54490128
>posts an image of many fun choices
>Oh no not those I just meant the boring new stuff

>>54490124
>>54490023
Not him but could it possibly be that Cato becomes lost on the way to the next battle ground? As in, the codex fluff about him being lost happens after Dark Imperium?

>>54490151
Death Company are good when you play them as the aura army they are. You need both named chaplain dudes and a libby for maximum sauce but it makes for a hell of a killy unit when you put all the pieces together.

>>54490135

charge rerolls in marines are hard as fuck to get and crusader squads are strong as fuck with the grim/helbrecht combo.

Denying a power on 4+ for 1 CP is baller.

>>54490085
>>54490093
I'd be fine with that esplanation if it wasn't for the autocannon pattern, which is absolutely not there to kill infantry. They already don't do great at it in tabletop, and in lore autocannons are explicitly for shredding vehicles.

>>54490135
I think the other sons of Dorn in yellow did.

>>54490107

T'au have new models soon.

>>54490152

Not that easy, the rest of his shit is pretty damn durable. I haven't gotten close to killing off everything that isn't a flyer.

>>54490153
A waste. Its capacity is ONE unit of up to THIRTY models with FIFTEEN fire points. Really odd #s for Guard. Is there a better IMPERIUM squad I could shove in there?

>>54490165
I don't want to have too much fun anon I might get grounded

>>54490139
how many points, and what are his ground forces?

Hemlocks are strong, but they can, at max, put out 15 wounds a turn. If they are extremely lucky.

I'd ignore them and focus the other stuff.

>>54490170
But doesn't Lemartes and Astoraths shit not combine? One is 're-roll Death Company stuff' and the other is 'Re-roll Blood Angels stuff'. So you can't use both, makes that part of Lemartes a bit crap. What happens if you then throw Sanguinour in there for +1A aura?

How are Sanguinary Guard?

>>54490135
Re-rolling charges after Deep Strike is pretty damn good. Their Relic and Warlord trait are kind of trash though. Their Stratagem will occasionally be useless but every once in awhile will be kickass.

>>54490186

Tau are the people, T'au is the planet anon.

>B-but GW said-

They're wrong. Can't just change gears on that after 20 years and expect people to not reject your stupidity.

>>54490211
Re-read them. They do distinctly different things from each other. Also read how black rage works.

>>54490036

That'd only be worthwhile if we had some kind of light/medium tank that is the Vendetta to the normal Chimera's Valkyrie (ie. lose some/all transport capacity in return for beefier weapon options). Would that we had that, anon, but asking for more vehicle variety for the Guard always feels real entitled.

>>54490221
Tau are the people, T'au is the planet.

The Empire is named for the planet.

>>54490186
No, that's definitely false, unless you're talking about the rumoured mini-faction that's not directly related to the Empire. IF that's even real, it will be getting its own Codex entirely separate from the T'au Empire release.

>>54490135
Just you, rerolling charges is damn great for a typical Templar play-style of rushing forward and charging. Sure its not as versatile as the Raven Guard but it means most of your charges should connect and deep striking terminators are getting into the thick of things more reliably.

Their Stratagem is easily the best anti-psyker defense in the codex and their warlord trait means that your warlord can counter-charge an enemy unit within 6'' of it, which should be long enough to actually connect or at least you are getting a free 6'' move every time your opponent charges you.

>>54490221
>Already hearing AoS players using 'Orruks' unironically

You'd be surprised ...

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Just played a game at LGS and got stomped hard by 1st edition Squat models.

He used these insane stratagems and relics he said were from the leaked Squats codex for 8th.

Did I get bamboozled or can I find this leak?

>>54490205

He runs (from memory)

The Ynnari Chick with the Dress
Eldrad
3 units of 5 Dark Eldar Warriors w/ a blaster
5 Wraithguard with their flamer gun
10 of the FW aspect guys (Spectres?)
3 Hemlocks
3 Venoms
Wave Serpent

Puts the Ynnari Chick, Eldrad, and Wraithguard in the Serpent. Everything except the Serpent is atleast -1 to hit at all times. Its fast, the FW aspect guys are fucking shitty, they get a flamer or a possible 3 shot S6 gun (main target for guide).

>>54490254

I play a Dryads army in AoS and exclusively refer to it as a Dryads army.

>>54490265
He's a netlisting asshat by the sounds of it

>>54490249

Leaker is a pretty reliable one at that, and they said the T'au will get. Not that they're unrelated to T'au.
I doubt it'll be a release big enough to merit its entirely separate dex, not big enough to split

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>>54490262

you've been tricked

>>54490233
Don't even need rules for it, just a lore explanation. Either that it's done but is relatively rare, or that it interferes with the machine spirit or something and is impossible.

As it stands it's just a weird outlier as the only thing the IG won't try to put lascannons on.

>>54490282
That looks like a fair and diverse list, not the usual netlist of SPAM ONE THING 6-8 TIMES PLUS SOME MINMAXED TAX UNIT

>>54490282

He goes to a lot of tournaments I know (stuff like LVO, ACon, etc). I actually don't think he netlisted it though - he's been pretty close to playing that list since the 8th leaks (he just recently added the 3rd Hemlock).

>>54490310
I'm pretty sure I've seen a close variant of that list posted here and on other sites at least a half-dozen times

>>54490175

Pretty sure that autocannons are explicitly for knocking heavy infantry, walkers, and light vehicles, not vehicles in general. This still fits with the whole IFV/Infantry Support Vehicle deal the Chimera has. From Lexicanum, referencing the 5e IG dex:

"...Due to their high rate of fire and sufficient killing power, they are effective against large infantry formations and light armored vehicles"

Ohh. The Visarch got a 4++. Sweet.

>>54490310

>3 Hemlocks
>Not Spam

Pick one.

>>54490283
No other reliable leakers have corroborated that rumour so I'm finding it less and less likely.

>>54490110
Part 2, Chapter 4.
On same chapter, it also says states that:

‘until a century ago when Archmagos Belisarius Cawl, aided by the alien aeldari and a saint said to be the personification of the Emperor’s will, had awoken him to a galaxy tormented by war.’

So 130 years after Bob revives and begin Crusade. Cato is still there.

>>54490226
>Astorath
>Redeemer of the Lost: All friendly BA units use his Ld instead of theirs. Friendly Death Company units auto pass Morale tests.

>Litanies of Hate: Re-roll hit rolls in fight phase for friendly Blood Angel units

>Lemartes
>Guardian of the Lost: All friendly DC units use Lemartes Ld instead of their own
>Fury Unbound: re-roll failed charge rolls and hit rolls in fight phase for DC units

My point is, Guardian of the Lost is useless if you have Astorath. As he's making your DC auto pass and use Astoraths Ld instead. Fury Unbound is reduced by 50% because Astorath makes all BA units re-roll hit rolls in fight phase, not just DC.

That's my point. So you're buying Lemartes for one thing; re-roll failed charge rolls. What Astorath gives via Mass of Doom is great. So using Lemartes as well is kinda pointless when you're only getting charge re-rolls.

As for Black Rage, yes I am aware of what it does.

>>54490254
What's wrong with that? They're a new thing in the new area. It's really not that bad and nothing to complain about, really.

>>54490327
It's less than a quarter of the total units.

>>54490339
Hmm, I must have misread something. I could have sworn one of them also let you reroll wound rolls. Rerolling charge rolls is still pretty useful, though, since you're probably going to want to multiassault.

>>54490085
>>54490093
Well in some regiments and PDF, Chimeras are the only armored support that guard can ever get and sometimes used as light tanks.

I remember a guy made some variants for a WD like one armed with the Conqueror battle cannon, etc. I think they was rules for them in Epic.

>>54490169
From leaked Codex:

"Fearing for Ultramar, Guilliman sent to safeguard his realm much of the task force of Ultramarines and successor Chapters that had accompanied him to Terra. With them went the first Primaris Ultramarines..."

>>54490323
>>54490323

There are only very few viable options for Eldar atm, so of course all decent lists are going to look similar.

At least the guy doesn't have a million wave serpents, and while he has lots of hemlock spam, the rest of his army looks relatively diverse, if optimized.

>>54490124
lol canon conflict with the new codex?

>>54490324
I more meant from books, but I suppose Codices are considered more reliable sources of lore. In the IG books I've read autocannons are always chewing through vehicles and transports. (They always describe it as chewing too for some reason...)

>>54490329

Not to say it should be taken as the word of God, but in the swarm that is internet leakers, she has among the best record

>>54490374
>Conqeuror-pattern Chimera

I never realised how much I needed this in my life.

>>54490374
>Well in some regiments and PDF, Chimeras are the only armored support that guard can ever get and sometimes used as light tanks.

Thats the whole point of the Imperial Guard, a regiment should not be covering all its bases on its own. If an Infantry regiment is lacking in armored support then they probably have more anti-tank in the form of heavy weapons and are expected to be supplemented by a mechanized regiment to offer them more anti-tank.

>>54490254
As far as shitty new trademarkable GW names go, Orruks isn't bad at all.

Shit like "Noxious Blightbringer" in the Death Guard stuff is fucking horrendous though.

And then there was that whole insert on the "Malignant Plaguecaster" page talking about all the different types of Nurgle Sorceror and how they were all shitty Adjective Nounverber variants, it was almost like a satire of itself.

Compared to that I'll take something nice sounding like "Orruks" any day. It's not far off from Tolkiens "Uruk-hai", it actually sounds fantasy. Not every settings Orc needs to be named/spelled exactly as Orc.

FUCK OFF MISANDEI AND GREY WORM THIS SCENE IS 5 HOURS LONG AND GAAAAY AS FUCK

fcuk

>>54490150
'Snout' on the front and multiple caterpillars I guess. Somehow it feel more like an Ork vehicle to me.

>>54490371
Unless it got FAQ'd, I don't think so. I mean the re-roll for the charge is fine. For me it seems like Blood Angel is making a big blob of infantry and sticking loads of characters in. Astorath, Sanguinour, Lemartes, Librarian and Sanguinary Priest surrounded by Death Company would be great.

>>54490376
I'm sure Cato must get lost.

>>54490383
Well, there's conflict with Gathering Storm Book 3. Cawl and Yvarine said not to remove his armour yet in Dark Imperium he does and is fine.

>>54490331
How strange, the codex indicates that cato is lost when the death guard and mortarion retires from ultramar. Possible canon conflict maybe.

>>54490197
Oh, missed the "only one unit" thing since that doesn't really happen often in 8e. I'd suggest a full unit of 12 Kataphrons, but that would be like £140 and 1000 points. 15 Corpuscarii would only have a range of 12" but be reasonably cheap and stick a big Blob Death Radius on the thing given how big the model itself is. Full block of hellblasters?
I don't really know, not many units that can shoot go up to 15.

>>54490393
Atia and Hastings have the best records, and they're only like 80% max, maybe less.

I don't trust this rando unnamed leaker about a leak no one else is corroborating and that doesn't even make sense with the extrapolated release schedules.

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>>54490438
I'm watching too, but wrong thread.

>>54490213
I will agree that the chapter tactic is amazing.

But everything else is pretty shitty.

Give up librarians, but gain crusader squads, which are just Tactical Squads with bolted on scouts.

The strategem feels lackluster considering it's spending a CP to get a coinflip to deny only one power per turn, when other armyies get as many attempts as they have psykers. I'd rather just have to eat psyker powers but have an actually useful strategem.

I was wavering back and forth between Black Templars and Salamanders as my Space Marine army, I like the fluff and aesthetics of both, but only Black Templars have a bits kit and you can achieve the look on the table. Salamanders just have to be green Marines.

So basically I'm wondering do I want cool looking space crusaders, or green marines with great rules.

>>54490135
Just you. Particularly with Crusader units offering them an excellent troops choice (now obsec with DoH) and the best special characters aside from Ultramarines. Plus the CT and Strat are both solid and even open up some interesting orbital assault army options that are very fluffy. Ultras probably have the best rules overall, but Templars are no slouch. Unless Cityfight becomes the norm, IF did the worst.

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>>54490432
>Shit like "Noxious Blightbringer" in the Death Guard stuff is fucking horrendous though.

There are even worse stuff out there...

>>54490386

Big calibers aren't known for leaving tiny holes.

Also, have you ever seen a well-loved chew toy? Bring how that looked to mind, then Google Image "A-10 target practice"

>>54490469
>rando unnamed leaker
?
The leaker is Atia

>>54490460
More like the timeline is a little vague at the moment

>>54490151
Good. Learn how to maximize their overlapping auras. Getting rerolls, +1 S and +1 A on the same elite assault troops is very scary.

>>54490036
I always thought there'd be a niche for a Chimera-chassis Tank Hunter.

Standard armament is TL Multilaser, can be upgraded to TL Autocannon or TL Lascannon or even (for a hefty cost) a Vanquisher cannon. The Vanquisher model loses its hull-mounted HB/HF.

This would be a fast(ish), amphibious tank hunter unit that would put the fear of the God-Emperor in light/medium vehicles, but is still a glass cannon that can't really hold its own against any dedicated anti-tank.

>>54490516

fuck off, the blood slaughterer impaler is a timeless classic that should never go out of production

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>>54490516
That's oldschool though.

>>54490539
Sadly it's very expensive. Death Company, with Sanguinour and Unleash Rage, on the charge, do 5 attacks each. 6 if they have a Chainsword. I dunno if they have 7 if they have two chainswords, I don't think so.

>>54490506
>when other armyies get as many attempts as they have psykers.
A 4+ to deny a power is a lot better than the usual chances, and you can't make multiple attempts to deny the same power regardless of how many psykers you have, and don't always have that many psykers in the right position, or they can be killed off and then you have no more psychic defenses. BTs always have a defense as long as they have CP until they're tabled.

>>54489903
Heh. You got suckered.

>>54490428
Yes, i know. But i was talking in situations where a proper regimental support can't be there or isn't even expected since, not every Imperial Guard Army have the access to the same quantity of weapons. I can imagine that in some PDF they use Chimeras as battle tanks.

>>54490552
>>54490560
the name is still dumb

>>54490560
i still have 2 of these

>>54490566
It was actually confirmed in the FAQ that two chainswords gives +2 attacks.

>>54490414
Chimedon

>>54490572

You can't make multiple attempts to deny the same power with BT either.

So, are IH as bad as they look? Chapter tactics is basically just the same thing they already had but worse (6+ damage ignore is a worse IWND, 6+ damage ignore is a worse FNP). Only one relic, and it's just a big stick to smack things with instead of the gorgon's chain. I haven't seen the warlord trait, so hopefully that's redeeming? The strategem seems okay, but the best SM vehicles already have PoTMS.

Am I missing something? Are IH back to being the joke chapter GW forgets about and the only first founding without a named character in 40k?

>>54490602
Then Death Company doing 7 S5 attacks on the charge is pretty good. Shame the price to get there is huge. Plus you have to hope you keep Shield of Sanguinius up on them constantly.

>>54490560

Holy shit, why didn't forge world adapt a faithful sculpt? That wheely chainaxe and whip fucker is way cooler and more imaginative than a shitty Spiderbot.

>>54490607
Exactly, but the other guy (you?) made it sound like armies with multiple psykers all got to attempt to deny. BT's aren't any worse off and a flat 4+ is actually a lot more reliable than a normal Deny test against most powers.

>>54490607
But can you deny powers that dont affect your units with your psykers?.

>>54490560
In the next 20 or so years, will the next generation feel what we feel about this model when they see our newest Primaris models?

>>54490628

Yeah I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out that part. I actually think the BT strategem is a gem and will see use in higher tier play.

>>54490630

Yes.

>>54490428
But that anon was talking about desperate Field Conversions.
Idunno, I could see someone put AT weaopons on every available surface if a Horde of Daemon Engines was on the other side of the trenches.

Why not just get a Culexus for a psychic defense?

>>54490654

He's good, doesn't just auto turn off stuff but is good. I like using him to eat smites, they have to target him if he's closest and don't do anything.

>>54490544
Shit, I'd run it. It would fit way better with my Tallarn force than the Russes would.

>>54490654
THat's what I'd do if I was an imperialfag.

They are amazing against psykers.

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sooo bout those storm raven armies.. btfo ?

>>54490683
Yep.

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>>54490654
Why not just get Sisters of Silence and not put all your eggs in one basket?

>>54490683
Nah, now you just take like 3 or 4 instead of 6.

Take Roboute and a bunch of chaff to buff them.

>>54490683
Blown the fuck out, anyone that's willing to exploit a part of the game should expect such exploit to be addressed eventually so Im not sure why anyone would spend time or money to do such a gimmicky army.

>>54490506
Crusader squads are awesome. You get special and heavy at min size, a larger max size, and the option for an extra power weapon instead of a heavy if you plan to use them more for assault. Probably the best SM troops choice available.

The Strat is great because its there if you need it and quite reliable if your willing to use a re-roll. Plus you never have to worry that youre opponent spiked a high cast roll. You know you always have a 3/4 chance to deny your opponents warptime. And if the opponent has no psykers? Great! There are tons of othergreat Strats to spend on. Could I recommend Honour the Chapter?

>>54490262
Okay, this shit is just gay. Even gayer than DA. So stop banging your dickbeaters on the keyboard.

>>54490710
>anyone that's willing to exploit a part of the game should expect such exploit to be addressed eventually so Im not sure why anyone would spend time or money to do such a gimmicky army.
Well... this is a recent development in 40k. Many 7th edition armies were an exploity clusterfuck that went on for months or longer. GW actually trying to make a good game with their models is a relatively recent experience for some competitive players.

>>54490604
Just googled it, I love the Chimerax and the Chimerro. Are there rules for them?

>>54490698

Whoms't'd've that

>>54490432
>GW's new motto
"No name too retarded to copyright"

>>54490698
Unlike SoS Culexus can show up whereever he wants, have bigger aura and 6+ to be hitted?

>>54490544
That's dumb as shit. Might as well ask for a transport version of the Lemon.

releases until end of September.

- Adeptus Astartes: Space Marine (multiweek release)
- Adeptus Astartes: Grey Knight (codex only)
- Heretic Astartes: Chaos Space Marine (codex only)
- Heretic Astartes: Death guard (multiweek release)
- Astra militarum (2 week release)
- Xenos: Orks (2 week release)

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>>54490822

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So I saw that officers can get free shipping now. I know they're COOL AS FUCK but are they actually practical?

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>>54490822
Gimme dat sauce.

>>54490822

>More leaker memes
You do know that CSM comes before GKs?

>>54490636
Doubt it.
Old modes were made by human hands.
The newer ones are made in CAD.
More detail yes, but they lack something.

>>54490432
What is wrong with those names, though? Honestly. These names have applied in dozens of settings for hundreds of monsters. What is wrong with those names? These days it seems like people will moan about new Adjective Noun/Verb creations, but will ignore Adjective and or Noun/Verb creations from 20 years ago.

Doing my nut. Complaining about unit names is so fucking retarded this will be my only post on the matter.

How do you guys deal with ~30 Boyz, Gaunts etc charging in for the melee?

>>54490788
Sixes to hit doesn't change the fact it's T4 and 6+ save.

>>54490888

Flamer overwatch. My Hellhound roasted a full unit of Gargoyles yesterday.

>>54490878
Shills gotta shill

>>54490893
???

All assassins have a 4+ invuln.

>>54490822
>Chaos Space Marine (codex only)
It interesting that GW may have finally gotten the message that most people don't give a shit about generic Renegades or Black Legion, but want the cults and other specialized legions. I do think they need to make a new CSM box and Havocs box soon though.

>>54490893
4++, fampire. He's damn near unkillable

>>54490888
Arc-Flagellants
27D3 attacks, S4 AP0, W2 each and a 5++ save helps
Oh and they re-roll to hit the first round of melee.

That or a Vulture Brrrrt Ship

>>54490822
Seems plausible, warhammer community say Astra militarum.

>You may be envious of Space Marines and their Chapter Tactics and Stratagems now but just think: soon you’ll have your own tricks and ploys to play, and unique rules for your Traitor Legion, Astra Militarum Regiment.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

>>54490919
>4++ is invincible guiz really huehue
Not this time

>>54490888
Agressors?

>>54490902
Uuhhh...
>Inferno Cannon: Heavy D6
>Heavy Flamer: Heavy d6
>Full unit of gargoyles: More than 12

How tho?

So... the Repulsor looks like a good killy gunship, but what are you supposed to do with the transport capacity? It can store ten guys, but they have to be Primaris Marines... and as far as I can tell all the Primaris Marines honestly kinda suck.

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what do you think guard will get with this new multi week release guise?

>>54490910
Havocs need a fucking update

Like goddamn, metal monopose models with a schizo weapons loadout just doesn't cut it today, especially with the Devastator box being so much better.

>>54490936
What are you shooting at him with?

If you're using a lascannon it'll take 21 shots to kill him. Also he's a character so has to be the closest target.

>>54490957
Flamegressors maybe.

>>54490930
I'm glad marines are first. Because it means they got the shit codex this edition

>>54490805
It's not a transport, though. Like the Hellhound, it's just the tank, all the transport space being replaced by ammo.

>>54490750
Not in 8th, and not for several editions.

>>54490936
It takes 120 bolter shots to kill a Culexus on average and if you're shooting him with heavier weapons you're practically throwing them away from an opportunity cost standpoint.

>>54490936
Takes 120 bolters or any other S4 weapon to kill him, or 180 lasguns, 90 assault Cannon shots, 45 autocannons, etc.

Of course you CAN kill him you mongoloid, it's just a matter of can you do it without wasting a whole shooting phase. the only efficient way seems like D2/3 guns you can fire of en masse, which even then isn't really pheasible.

Keep in mm don't on top of everything heavy weapons are what you'll likely need to off him (outside of melee of course), and since you're hitting on a 6+ that means moving dudes literally can't hit him at all

>>54490135
the Emperor's Champion is 75 pts now

>>54490964
Everyone just uses plastic CSM with Forgeworld 30k heavy weapons. It's even fluffy.

>>54490976
Wait, are those Primaris? I thought they were regular marines in Gravis armor or whatever.

>>54490960
Infantry kit
Heavy Weapon Infantry
Command Squad
Ratlings
Rough Riders.

IM not sure what new unit the Guard could get.

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Did you had any games today /tg/?
Or just working on your models?

I've been working on my side project, it would had been easier just to buy from GW or Chinaman, but not want I wanted.
This nightmare of a thing has turn into my personal relax time

>>54490957
You can fit in 4 aggressors and 2 non-gravis characters if you want. Like maybe 4 aggressors, Lt, and apothecary. I think aggressors are the main thing you'll use them to carry.

>>54491013
Only Primaris marines wear Gravis.

>>54491013
gravis is primaris gear

Anyone know why Readium will format an epub page correctly but if I extract and open it in chrome it isn't?

>>54490988
But why? They'd be perfect for my "Raided a warehouse full of shitty prototypes" Traitor Guard.

Oh, right, no models.

>>54490910
Fuck off, I want some new unaligned shit. If regular CSM's got as many models as regular space marines then they'd be just as popular imo.

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Battle scribe 8th ed is missing

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How dicked am I running a Primaris only IF army?

>>54491031

This "only primaris wear Mark 10 and Mark 10 is all primaris wear" thing seems too absolute for a galaxy with a million inhabited worlds.

>>54491054
Yeah it's down. The github is still up though

>>54491007
>>54490936
I amend my statement, flamers are the best. Only takes 6 (!) regularass old flamers to kill him (4 heavy flamers), so yeah. That's the way

>>54491062
No stronghold will be safe Godspeed son of Dorn!

>>54491054
Oh, there's an easy way to get a free replacement.

>Get a sheet of paper
>Also a pen
>Some assembly required

>>54491076
And going back and forth between 40 pages to get the points and options.

>>54491053
It is almost like armies that have support and renovations are the most popular. Wonder if there is a connection.

>>54491075
Well shit I mean I want my stronghold to be safe

>>54490985
Butt the hellhound has to get close. What you're suggesting is a long range fast moving tank that can kite everything. That's fucking cheesy bullshit and you know it.

>>54491025
Is that an inquisitor force with a stripper entourage? Uh... proceed Anon.

>>54491088
>he can't do basic math
>he can't make a basic spreadsheet

>>54491088
Holy shit you dumbass, everything you need is on one or two pages. Do you really need to look to remember what options a tactical squad has?

>>54490984
I sort of agree in the way that the new hotness will always be the new Hotness. Each codex going forward will be flavor of the month with improvements over the last.

>>54491110

...honestly, anon, it sounds more like he wants a Chimera-based version of the Destroyer.

>>54491088
Print out/photocopy the points if you want to do things by hand.

>>54490960
F-female g-guardsmen... please.

>>54491112
Inquisitorial Battle Harem.
The naked ones where used in 7th as those cheap 10 point psyker. Sadly those are gone so the theme of expendable mind bullet slaves got axed

Yes I do not have much time to sit down and paint

>>54490960
Multi week release?

>>54491064
Considering Chadmarines are fairly new I don't think their wargear has had time to drift very far from Cawl's design yet. Give them a few thousand years and we'll see some variants produced.

>>54491088
>tfw I stopped using battlescribe and the math isn't hard
>tfw only stopped using battlescribe because it wouldn't let me put Chaos Space Marines and Chaos Daemons in the same detachment.

>>54491025
Looks awesome. I was gonna play today but things got in the way. I think next week I'm going to try to play a mostly melee rush guard ministorum army and I'm deciding what to bring. Gonna try my Terminator Inquisitor too possibly.