Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>54485243
First for scared beep boop

>>54485243
FLYERS BTFO
FLYERS BTFO
FLYERS BTFO
LOLOLOLOL

>>54485245
>cancer lore
>I want 40 years of lore day ONE
Reeeeeeee! It's lore really isn't that bad.

No bully plz.

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What do my fellow Ork players do to proxy in Bomb Squigs?

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repulsor

>>54485243
So, question: What do various races do with captured populations? We know what Chaos and DEldar do, but what do CWE do with humans? Necrons? Orkz?

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7th for CUTEDAR

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>>54485243

>Browser tabs
You're a funny man.

since OP can't be bothered, review of Codex SM is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvAr9DRmgQ

>>54485265
Hmm why are people so happy about that?

Would people be rejoicing if all fast attack armies got squatted?

All heavy support?

All elite?

No, yet people who collect flyers are just as much of a hobbyist as you. They like certain things and do others. This isn't like shitting on 'Tau' players where you can generalize easily; flyers are a universal unit, across all armies. By shitting on them, you shit on us all and it cheapens the game.

That's why I'm so disappointed with GW. Its like they regret 6th edition.

Are punchy Kataphrons remotely usable, or is it gun all the way?

>>54485273
the beginnings of the Old World were way cooler and more promising than this shit.

>>54485294
REEEEEEE! HEAVY STUBBERS ARE IG STUFF. GET YA OWN SHIT.

All those fucking weapon options.

Is look out sir gone in 8th edition?
also:
Necron faq voidblades buff, monolith buff fuck yeah

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>>54485279
Prisoners of War

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Iwant to build a really diverse ork army.
what should I get ?

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>>54485297
>What do various races do with captured populations?
Prisioners? WTF are those? :^)

>>54485240
>Somebody on here said it, claimed it was from a reliable source. Might be utter bollocks. But we know the book is basically done.

Anything to do with the codex dates "leaker"?
Cause he was pairing up Tau and AM for October. Might make sense to release those 2 codices with FoC

>>54485273
Lore doesn't have to have decades of development in order to be good. There are plenty of books with a fantasy setting that are way more interesting and rich than AoS, and those don't have an entire company behind them.

>>54485294
>repulsor field
looks like Cawl got his hands on some XV9s...

>tfw chadmarines will replace both marinelets AND Tau

>>54485299
Look, a human with longer ears. How exotic.

>>54485307
They should regret 6E it was shit and led to 7E. 8E exists because the foundation laid by 6E was shit. Flyers were the same as skimmers in 5E. If you are a flyer "hobbyist" you shouldn't need OP snowflake rules for your favorite models.

If you were going to footslog Primaris, which CT would you use?

There's simply no room for tanks, so I'm thinking Hellblasters get the inevitable Repulsor and Intercessors + heroes can slog.

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>>54485308
Meleephrons are memephrons. Gun all the way.

>>54485322
>>54485344
Nostalgia goggles. Remember that shit got changed when Lizardmen were introduced. And didn't make sense.

>lizardmen were Old One creations
>Old Ones made the world
>Slann taught the Elves how to use magic
>But the Elves saved the world
>The Elves had their own gods
>There were super god-weapons just lying about
>Oh and btw, Orks were created from spores brought in by Old One ships *wink wink*

I'll wait until 20 years has passed before judging desu. Also 40k has changed it's lore fuck loads of times as well. So yes, it does take decades of development.

Anyway, let's stop here, you're right, I'm wrong. Not the place for it.

Did anyone save the walkthough on how to convert the ePubs to PDF? I want to edit the epubs to include the errata directly before converting them. Editing a PDF in-line is a pain.

>>54485370
Raven Guard. They have a Stratagem to deploy lots of infantry at 9" of the enemy

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>that flyer nerf
So are Elysians confirmed for kill ?

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>>54485294

>it has the same amount of lascannons as a land raider, onslaught gatling cannon, an additional ironhail heavy stubber and 5D6 18" range bolter shots while still transporting 10 primaris

>RAW it can replace its second ironhail heavy stubber with another onslaught gatling cannon

>>54485365
How is 'fielding your army' a special snowflake rule?

If you could not make a legal heavy support army, how would that be fair? I don't ask for flyers to be good, I ask for them to be playable.

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>>54485356
>Taufag who doesn't know about Landspeeders and the Imperium having Anti-Grav technology for ages
Why am I not suprised?

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>>54485363
N-no bully...

>>54485339
Everything.

>>54485324
This. Truly, whose idea it was to give marines Heavy stubbers? Miniguns are cool, but the only ones I remember are Assault (kheres) cannons.

>>54485308
Arc Claws are preferable, +5 is terrble, so Hyrdaulic claws are a no, sadly. They will sit in combat forever with out dying.

>>54485302

>Points too blurry to read
>Can't be assed reading them out

Hooray.

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Daily reminder that WAAC tourney fags are cancer on the game and GW realizes this, issuing FAQ after FAQ to nerf your broken shit.

Keep buying models for the next, not yet nerfed trick/combo, I do enjoy cheap models on ebay.

>>54485297

>Tau
Enlighten them and bring them salvation
Lobotomies very rare.

>>54485356

I hope they don't do too much of that. NewMarines squatting everything including the non-marines is just ridiculous

>>54485404
I was just kidding. But repulsor stuff generally made people hit worse in melee.

The Repulsor Field rule text is pratically the same from XV9 Hazard Photon Caster rule

>>54485339
I mean, if you want diverse, just get one of everything. Well Fluffy Roit?

>>54485370

Raven guard if you want to get up close, ultramarines in general.

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Whats the best carrier bag for the UK? It'll need to be capable of carrying the new Primaris stuff as well as the old marine shit. Where s the best place to look?

>>54485308
Melee is better as they can't be "turned off". But if your opponent is a retard and allows you to fire unhindered for more than a turn or two, the ranged version is ridiculously good. It's just less reliable. It's like choosing between something that does 3 mortal wounds or 2D6 regular wounds, it really depends on the situation even if one looks much better on paper. You should pick the one you think is cooler or helps your army more.

I personally think melee load out is more consistent and what I would pick for tournaments, but for my own personal collection I would go triple gun if I had to glue a permanent load out since it seems more fun and an amusing gimmick.

>>54485407
And they can flap them, holy shit! Silly elf, gtfon my bed ;^)

>>54485394

No you moron.
Use actual guardsmen like other Regiments.

>>54485294
With the amount of guns this thing has on it I feel like the next model release will be some variant of Mad Cat.

>>54485379
Aww, that's a shame, their massive claws look rad as shit.

>>54485351
Wait why does the Primaris Lt. cost more?
His stats seem outright worse, or do my eyes deceive me?

>>54485279
Strap the grenade satchels to the squig hounds in Gretchin boxes.

>>54485395
Lastalon only has 24'' range however.

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>>54485307
> flyers are a universal unit, across all armies.

Fuck off.

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>>54485199
>>54485105
>>54485140
Sorry, for the quality, but here you have all the options for the primaris lieutnant, i.e. replacing his gon with a sword or another gun.
So, yeah. Super-diverse options, that guy.

>>54485442

Rymans make a pretty good sized bag for 10p, should be able to hold about 6-9 tupperware boxes.

>>54485442
5p in any shop m8

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>>54485294

>>54485429
From an effectiveness (dakka & resilience) point of view, aren't Predator Annihilators better at anti-tank than Russes? Marines have marines for anti-infantry anyway.

>>54485451
Kataphrons ≠ Kastelans

I meant the Strogg looking tank gimps not the beep boops

>>54485479

>can take master crafted stalker
>still got his decent attacks

shame about the 3W though, 4W was pretty cool.

>>54485307
>Its like they regret 6th edition.
Precisely, and they took their fucking time showing that regret. Flyers should have never been included in baseline 40k and if you took them against an unsuspecting opponent you proved yourself to be That Guy from the second you finished writing down your army list.

It is perfectly possible, indeed necessary, to generalize Flyer spammers, because if you were truly only interested in the hobby aspect of it, you would only ever play amongst each other. But instead you inflict your nonsense on unsuspecting melee armies and think yourself brilliant tacticians for winning with them. Now your Flyers have been nerfed thrice:
1) Jump units can assault them
2) The To Hit penalty is now just -1 instead of "only on 6+" and
3) Flyers are ignored for tabling purposes
And this is as it should be. Flyers aren't impossible to hit Juggernauts that win wars by themselves, they are support for the ground forces.
So in point of fact, aside from completely removing Flyers from 40k, they did the nicest thing they could and massively nerfed them.

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>>54485460
He's +1W/A, as are all primaris variants.

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>>54485442
I once worked out how strong each carrier bag from the major supermarkets had. I think Tesco was the best with 25kg. But that was 10 years ago cause I'm autistic. I'd go with a bag for life desu.

>>54485454
Yes we can!

>>54485497

Las Dreads are way better than las Preds.

>>54485460
>His stats seem outright worse, or do my eyes deceive me?
With the blurry thing, yeah, maybe your eyes do decieve you.

>>54485502

nigga he was 5 wounds. five.

fuck.

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>>54485243
So just bought another Kataphron box, can't decide what to build them as. So far I've got

>6 grav destroyers
>3 plasma destroyers
>3 arc breachers

I have no interest in torsion cannons or more grav, so I'm torn between the two. Maybe 1 more plasma and 2 breachers, or vice versa? The plasma I shockingly useful, as is the heavy arc rifle.

Help me techies

>>54485442
What's your budget
How space efficient and protective does the case have to be
Do you care if the bag or your foam looks like shit

There are three tiers of storage generally. DIY which is cheapest but often ugliest, budget foam which looks ok and isn't too expensive but also isn't as compact or efficient. And finally BF which is very protective and efficient but extremely expensive.

Generally you pay for looks protection and efficiency but if you DIY you can sacrifice looks for low price and do your own custom efficiency level

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Repeating question from last thread:

I have Bretonian Men-At-Arms. I wanted to use them for something in my Ministorum / Ordo Hereticus army... I've narrowed my opinions down. I've decided to keep their equipment as-is per warhammer fantasy. I'll 40k them up by putting either brass or sculpted Inquisitorial or Ministorum =][='s on their shields.

The question is... do I:

A) Acolytes and get 12 free wounds for my Inquisitor toting Chain or Power [something] + Pistols

or

B) Crusaders and get 12 storm shield toting fuckers who get acts of faith and are relatively cheap.

A note on B: I have 3 penitent, 10 repentia, 3 death cultist. Wanting to have a fairly melee heavy arm at higher point games.

Opinions on what is functionally the best way to represent these models?

>>54485479

that had better be a blurry 5 wounds instead of 3 wounds.

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>>54485515
>Recieving an earjob from your degenerate xenos gf

>>54485511
That's bullcrap, flyers have their own weaknesses and benefits, the way they move, the weapon options they have and their general expensivness.

They are no different in style to knights, specialized units that can be made into armies that use just them. So are we gonna have a ruling that says 'Knights don't count towards tabling'.

>>54485370
I'm still tempted by the idea of White Scar rievers (or maybe intercessors) with the assault 2 gun, running about double-tapping stuff. Remember, you don't have to make an advance move FORWARDS.
>le horse archer face

It's probably nowhere near as workable as I'd like, but the idea amuses me.

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>>54485458

>>54485459
Exactly. That's why you build your Kataphrons with guns, so you can use the big-ass claws for conversions. Iron Hands Power Fists come to mind.

>>54485501
That's what I get for browsing on my tiny ass phone screen and typing up a long ass meticulous reply only to have read the question wrong

>>54485307
KILL YOURSELF
RETARD
YOU'RE LIVIN IN A LONELY WORLD
STOP
YOUR
CRYING
ALL THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

>t.Journey

>>54485394
Not units with Fly - but Flyer Battlefield Role.

>>54485540
Yes, it's still 5 wounds. Use your brain, dingus. If the baseline LT has 4 wounds, the primaris obviously has 5.
Not to mention we already have had his dataslate in the index. Chances are that they won't drop him by two wounds on a whim.

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>>54485394
The things that cannot hold terrain are the ones that have Flyer as a Force Organization Chart battlerole, not the Flyer keyword.
Also, Elysian infantry doesn't fly.
They fall in style.

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The new commissar looks a bit odd.

Don't wanna complain and get executed for it though.

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>>54485463
>>54485463
I was planning on doing that but I need about 15 Squigs, or something like them, and I dont buy Gretchin on the norm

>>54485566
While I appreciate the reference, have you looked at the fucking Repulsor? It's speedy, well armored and can carry a generous ten primaris.

>>54485546
>So are we gonna have a ruling that says 'Knights don't count towards tabling'.
Yes, hopefully. All my complaints apply to Lord of War units the same as Flyers. Knights spam is precisely as bad.

>the weapon options
Yeah, four big heavy guns on a single little flying potato are most definitely not good or anything

>>54485308
>>54485379
>>54485459
Actually arc breachers go balls-deep against medium vehicles, S6 and AP-2 is perfect for deleting 90% of non-marine stuff, and it churns through all light vehicles insanely fast. Melee is trash though. Camp a dominus or cawl with them and its fish in a barrel only downside is fucking Tau suits STILL aren't vehicles.

But really aside from laying down 125 Electropriests, Admech do not into melee

>>54485294
>it's a transport
>all those expensive guns
>all with different ranges and prefered targets
>half of them heavy so they get penalties for moving aka transporting the models inside them
>while the BS of it degrades
>will most likely cost 300-500 points
Unironically looks like it's a confusing mess of a model.

>>54485479
>more expensive
>cant take jump pack
>cant take MC boltgun/combi weapons
>cant take any CC stuff beyond the sword
kinda shit really

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>>54485494
Too bad multi-turret tanks were inviable. But at least remote-controlled weapon stations are a thing.
Too bad tanks themselves are being countered by much efficient countermeasures

>>54485625
Get a box of fantasy squigs and do the same

>>54485566
Honestly I still dig the Repulsor in its ridiculousness but C'MON YOU ANCIENT HERETEK BASTARD GIVE US A SKITARII TRANSPORT

>>54485636
I think it's an outdated image anyway, coming from before we really knew anything about this thing. I just wanted to use an opportunity to post it.

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How fluffy is this?
What do I spend my last 81 pts on?

I've been out all day, what's this about flyers getting nerfed?

>>54485541
I long wondered what it'd feel like if you were a T'au female, being penetrated in the bum, the vagina, the urethra, the ears, the mouth, the back of your knee, the hole that forms if you put your dick across a girls throat and they put their chin to their chest and finally in their nasal slit, what it'd feel like at the point of climax she sneezes.

You know, as a joke. Ironically, of course.

>>54485463
Speaking of grenade satchels, did we work out what that rumour engine grenade part was for? Was it the Repulsor tanks grenade launcher shit?

>>54485646
USA and UK should, together, produce good enough counter materials to make them viable as infantry support tanks by the end of the research period. That's assuming we combine the two different research (USA is doing composite materials I think and UK is doing reactive armour which deals with incoming shells... or it might be the other way round).

>>54485662
Wait until Fire of Cyraxius.

>>54485294
>tau and marinlets on suicide watch

How can one fucking priest be so based???

>>54485520
Oh, 4-las Dread is better than 4-las Predator? Because of the cost, right? Because there's a new strategem FORMATION for triple Predators, could be a thing to consider.

>>54485637
Mate, 5th edition was ages ago.

We aren't living in that world, get your nostalgia glasses of and realize we live in a world with knights, flyers and big huge units. You not liking them is not a basis to penalize people having fun and using these units as a basis for their army. Again: I don't want these units to be good, I want them to be viable as a force on the table. My current 2k list has around 1500 points of flyers. That means in effect, my opponent needs to focus fire on 500pts and I lose.

How is that fair? How is that justifiable?

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Here are plasma spammers
Is there any new thing in the codex people still need a screenshot of?

>>54485640
>half of them heavy so they get penalties for moving aka transporting the models inside them

It has PotMS

>>54485591

I could believe a typo happened

>>54485674
They don't count as a unit on the field. So if your army is all flyers and your opponent has one ground unit, they table you turn 1 automatically. Or if you kill the final ground troop and there is only flyers left, you auto win.

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>>54485662
>>54485679
We'll get any day now... any day now...

>>54485695

what models are actually listed in the index?

>>54485674
Flyers no longer count as units for the purpose of gettting tabled.

So in that infamous list which had 1 captain and 6 marines, he'd lose the game if that captain and marines were killed.

>>54485674
I assume you're talking about this:

Page 215 – Sudden Death
Change point 2 to read:
‘If at the end of any turn after the first battle round, one player has no models on the battlefield, the game ends immediately and their opponent automatically wins a crushing victory. When determining if a player has any units on the battlefield, do not include any units with the Flyer Battlefield Role – these units cannot operate within a combat airspace indefinitely and they cannot hold territory without ground support. Furthermore, do not include any units with the Fortification Battlefield Role unless they have a unit embarked inside – even the most formidable bastion requires a garrison if it is to pose a threat.’

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>>54485566
Yours is my new favourite Cawl meme. Have an older one.

>>54485679
Haha, what if you, like, put your dick into a Tyranid? That would be weird, haha.

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>>54485651
>Literally just ordered a shit ton of fantasy/AoS Orks for Snakebote models
>Never occured to me to use fantasy squigs

>>54485711
So what happens if both players bring nothing but flyers?

>>54485682

Yeah if you really feel like taking three quad-las preads in your list.

I'll be over here with my one Contemptor Mortis.

>>54485719

It is a codex so... all?
Video doesn't focus on everything

>>54485711
Ok. Kind of a weird one, but I see why they did it.

What do you do differently in 3rd that you don't do in 8th?
>You move your guys
>Shoot with your guys
>Melee with your guys
>Psychic stuff somepoint in there
>You got hit rolls, wound rolls and saves

Im genuinely curious as a rather new player (end of 5th)

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>>54485671
Using a script editor to make army lists... neat.

>>54485695

>Is there any new thing in the codex people still need a screenshot of?

Any points you can get fampai.

>>54485689
>That means in effect, my opponent needs to focus fire on 500pts and I lose.
No, in point of fact, any sensible opponent will not even open their case and simply find someone to play against who's less of a cunt.

If you so desperately want to spam Flyers, I think Forgeworld once produced a game called Aeronautica Imperialis.

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>>54485459
I agree with >>54485568, converting shit out of them is rather useful given the sheer volume of spares in those kits. Personally I'm using them to servitorize some Kairic Acolytes for Electropriests. Some come with staves, which can easily be trimmed down to Electroleech Staves like a Van de Graaf on the end of a pole, some get various Kataphron claws, dual Chordclaws, whatever else looks about right. Big blob of combat servitors smashing through everything, also work for 30k Chainblade Adsecularis.
I also managed to put together a full four Cyber-Occulars, arm a few assorted tank sponsons and armour my Archmagos with just the Kataphron armour and guns.

>>54485639
>125 Electropriests.
Who knows, with some kind of To Wound +1 for ALL THE MORTALS, a Triaros or two and some Ursarax for speed melee Mech might be possible.

>>54485662

Personally I would kill for something almost exactly like pic related, just with Admech iconography and look to fit in with the Dunecrawler. It looks almost exactly like a weaponized Mars Universal Land Engine too, come ON GW. Carry in a full squad of Skits, couple fire points so you can shoot plasma out the sides.

>>54485737
Then I guess you play as normal.

>>54485726
Imagine having a mechanical tentacle go down your pee hole and tickle the inside of your balls, hahaha! As a laugh, haha! Bit of lad /banter/ hahaha!

>>54485636
>have you looked at the fucking Repulsor?
looks wise it's a fat, ugly, overloaded, barely floating space bradley

The rules paint a different picture, but if you're just looking at the thing it's not very pretty.

>>54485721

So just keep them embarked, problem solved.

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Tim-Travers-1st-Overall-Boise-Cup-GT-2017.pdf

Tim Travers really must have triggered GW.

>>54485737
The player who's turn it is first looses. Not that hard.

>>54485671
Well scout spam is pretty fluffy, not to sure about the dreads though, seems like they would go for small kill teams, like devastators or hellblasters.

>>54485782
Also the top individual at ATC and some other tourneys

>>54485777
>he dislikes it's look
I don't think I could vomit this much, but here I am!

>>54485754
Thanks anon
You'd think writing, screencapping then cropping would be irritating but it's far less so than BattleScribe

>>54485781
Can't wait to see someone try this and get blown the fuck out first turn

>>54485737
Then you need to do something absolutely terrifying. Hear me out, okay mate?

You need to play a game of Open Play and actually have fun

>>54485327
lychguard still have it

>>54485679
You'll never know until you try, anon ;^)
>Combining research
Aaaahahahaha. International Research teams are proven to be too autistic to work. Look at the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and that cool tank that never was because grown adults had problems with conversions

>>54485807
Yeah you're a genius, can't wait until someone comes up with some sort of text document though that will be a revolution

fucking idiot

>>54485716
>Skittles
>Getting a transport that > every other transport in 40k

Keep dreaming.

>>54485760

Doesn't really show a clear pic.
Fortunately GW has got you

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-3/239fhfght_ENG_Primaris_Marines_Release_03_July_22nd.pdf

>>54485739
Why not three Contemptor Mortis?

>>54485381
as if that is relevant to make a good setting...
enjoy battling for your irrelevant planes, i'm out

>>54485782
Variants of stormraven spam have taken 3+ major tournaments by 'storm.' Unless there were really heavy nerfs to the stormraven in the codex they had to pull something like this.

>>54485855

Eh, that doc doesn't have points values for anything I'm interested in.

>>54485855
That doesn't have points for Hellbalsters, Intercessors and Incestors though.

>>54485381
>Also 40k has changed it's lore fuck loads of times as well. So yes, it does take decades of development.
also, i liked 40K from 1E on, all its preposterous moments included

>>54485639
>arc breachers go balls-deep against medium vehicles
You can shoot those better, no need to close in and punch them.

>>54485857

Honestly the most efficient long range dread option once you start spamming is twin las/twin autocannon venerable. Tourney lists have a shit ton of them.

>>54485424
>Fast Attack changes
>Attack Bike 35 (was 45)
>Bike 25 (was 31)
>Inceptor 30 (was 45)
>Land Speeders 70 (was 80)

>Transports
>Droppod 93 (was 103)
>LSS 70 (was 80)

>Heavy Support (take with grain of salt, images blurry, especially at the top)
>Centurion Dev 60??? or 80??? (was 65)
>Hellblaster 18? (was 20)
>Hunter 80??? or 90??? (was 90)
>Predator 90?92? (was 102)
>Stalker 80? (was 90)
>Thunderfire Cannon 26/55? (was 36/28, has AP -1 now and Tremor rounds stratagem)
>Vindicator 135 (was 160)
>Whirlwind 75 (was 90)


>weapon costs unchanged (only about 40% of ranged weapons could be checked though)

>>54485842
Well, it is kind of a beast. RAMMING SPEED!
If we DO get it, it's going to have ALL the synergy with electros. Load up 20 of them, leap out leaving a channel for a charge at the front, ram in with the shock prow then lead the wave of Rave Priests around the sides.

>>54485781
Embarked: still in the field. Remember flyers cannot start deployed on the table. I suppose you could still clad the infantry inside a LRfull of Land Raider.

>>54485801
Yeah, but figure they'd also get what's needed for the mission, no matter if it goes against their 'standard' or not.
Not really sure what's more fluffy while still being relatively similar in efficieny

>>54485833
So I'm an idiot for using notepad++ over notepad? Literally no difference if I'm not using it for programming.

>>54485823
Hey don't diss. The F-35 was a great deal for every country (mainly UK) bar USA. The Eurofighter is arguably one of the best aircraft around. There is a difference between Eurofighter (which was like a bajillion different countries wanting different things) and the UK and USA combining two different defensive technological advancements onto a new platform.

Challenger 2 is probably the most protected tank on the planet, I think it's due for a review in 2040. As for the M1A3 (I think that's what USA is upgrading to) that could use new stuff for the M1A4. At the moment, the best tank on paper is a toss up between K2 Black Panther and the Leopard 2A7.

>>54485860
he's right though, WHFB changed a million times in lore, I know, I was there from 2nd edition. WHFB didn't even have solid lore until 3rd edition. Expecting AoS to have solid lore right now is stupid. Playing in Not!Earth*

*only 50% of the planet is actually relevant

was silly.

>>54485913
Fuck yeah this means that when CSM comes out Possessed, Oblits, Mutilators, etc (all the unused shit) will get a reduction too.

Also really like how the reductions are all 10 points and not some crazy amount, this shows that they are going for incremental balance

Any input on this 1000PT List?

Detachment

The Emperor's Champion (1) - 140pts
1 The Emperor's Champion

Command Squad (5) - 180pts
1 Champion: Honour or Death,Power sword,Combat shield
1 Apothecary: Narthecium
1 Veteran: Boltgun,Power weapon,Company Standard
2 Veteran: Boltgun,Power weapon

Predators (2) - 240pts
2 Predator: Twin-linked lascannon,Heavy bolters sponsons

Crusader Squad (9) - 167pts
1 Sword Brother: Boltgun,Chain sword
1 Initiate: Plasma gun,Bolt pistol
1 Initiate: Lascannon,Bolt pistol
5 Initiate: Boltgun,Bolt pistol
1 Neophyte: Boltgun,Bolt pistol

Crusader Squad (9) - 167pts
1 Sword Brother: Boltgun,Chain sword
1 Initiate: Plasma gun,Bolt pistol
1 Initiate: Lascannon,Bolt pistol
5 Initiate: Boltgun,Bolt pistol
1 Neophyte: Boltgun,Bolt pistol

Drop pod (1) - 35pts Dedicated Transport
1 Drop pod: Stormbolter

Drop pod (1) - 35pts Dedicated Transport
1 Drop pod: Stormbolter

Drop pod (1) - 35pts Dedicated Transport
1 Drop pod: Stormbolter

>>54485862
I hope they don't nerf the Stormraven too much. I just want to use it to deliver an Assault Terminator squad, a Chapter Master in Terminator armour and a Dreadnought.
Might be a bit much of an expensive deathstar, but hilarity might ensue.

>>54485538
Acolytes work as cheap DAKKA. For 10 points you get a guardsmen squad leader with storm Bolter

Crusaders meh. I rather have Flagellants or DCA
Repentians suck ass again, so run them as DCA or flagellants.

>>54485914
If that happens I want to make a Dark Ad Mech army with rave priests backed up by units of Noise Marines.

SCREAM TO BE HEARD!

>>54485941
nigga is this shit 7th edition

>>54485913

No elites?

Anyhow that drop pod price drop is nowhere -near- enough for anyone to use it. Do they not realise it can't drop in flamer or Melta range anymore? Do they not realise it costs more than a rhino to do less?

>>54485889
I'm talking about the guns, the melee is useless. The only upside is it does provide a little charge discouragement in gunlines, but even that is weak sauce.

Breachers fill the niche of killing stuff between heavy infantry (destroyers) and heavy vehicles (onagers). They combat T5-6 vehicles greatly and can wipe some wounds on TEQs if need be

Torsion cannons are forever ass, though

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Killshot-2017

wow, looks like GW is up to something

>>54485882
>Incestors
lel

But given those are still box set or easy-build, I think they'll get standalone points sheets when they get regular releases with their options

>>54485502
>>54485527
>>54485540
just checked the vid, it's still 5 wounds

>>54485938
I'd both like it and find it very funny if GW just started handing out an extra wound to all new plastic marine kits regardless of faction, like that's how they'll try and get you to buy the models.

>>54485953
Yeah, playing 7th with my friends since we have an assblasted oldfag who hates 8th for really weird reasons.

>>54485948
>Rave Priests & Noise Marines
wouldn't you want to add some TRAN-SONIC Razors?

>>54485771
I'd really dig a transport like that too, it carries on the spidertank theme and the uncovered nature of it continues the theme of the Admech not really giving much of a fuck about their troops (Or perhaps thinks if they can shoot out of it, they're more efficient)

>>54485986
YES! YES!! LOUDER!!!

>>54485975
Fuck off moron

>>54485962
>wow, looks like GW is up to something
We already know what this means, though. There's a Stratagem called Killshot that lets Predators fire in sync.

Can someone post a Belasarius Cawl dataslate?

I wanna check his stats.

>>54485955
Elites are hard to make out in the codex review video. It looks as if the Ironclad might have gotten cheaper but i'd take that with grain of salt given the W3 Primaris Lieutenant debacle in this thread.

>>54485962
Up to something? Read it niggah. It says Killshot Stratagem. Which is if you have x3 Preds together you can combine the shots by paying the Stratagem charge. Which is the same as the old system in 7th.

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>>54485948
If that is possible (would need an allies exception in the FW book) you are a fool if you don't include Pic Related, regardless of what rules it ends up getting.
It's considerably more powerful than a Warlord gun, though, so I imagine whatever you point it at will atomize. Also you'd want some Thallax to add lightning cannon with cool eerie screaming sounds according to HH1, and some Rusties.

>>54486016

I know what it does.
I meant from a selling things angle, got strategems to push sales of certain units with a bundle ready to vacuum those shekels

>>54485980
And why precisely do you keep enabling that faggot?
Also, why are you not just playing the most broken bullshit 7th had to offer just to show him why he's wrong?

>>54485935
I wasn't talking about the Challenger. Srry for not remembering the name, but it was a cool tank where the crew would actually be inside the oversized turret or something like that, alongside with powerful suspension. But, like always, people wanted different things, and the documents had to be translated in several languages as well the units from international to bananafeet.
Also, the F-35 is good...but has costed way too much. As in, of course it'd be good if you invest THAT much money. Which wasn't the plan. Not to mention they wanted a single plane to replace the navy, airforce and marine planes (ironic since someone once said "at this rate the three forces will end up having to share the same plane! Air force on odd days, the navy on even days and the marines on February 28th). Currently they're in the "we've invested so much it'd be even more stupid to pull out now" stage, which doesn't mean it won't work ('cept for the navy, which has decreased range), it simply means it costs too much.
Because militaries never know what they really want.

>>54485695

The heavy plasmas are great if they cost the same as the normal incinerators, they're basically lascannons that trade a bit of damage for more AP on a 2W body

>>54485913
Space marines get BUFFS? On top of all those armywide special bonus rules? On top of 26 stratagems? On top of free Relics?

What the fuck. It's gonna be a fucking curbstomp at the lgs if everything got 10% cheaper for SM on top of everything else.

NOISE MARINE CLARIFICATION IN THE FAQ

YOU GOTTA ADMIT ITS GETTING LOUDER
GETTING LOUDER ALL THE TIME

>>54486045
Because I'm a rookie and he's said that 8th does a lot of weird shit. Also he hates Primaris Marines.

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>>54486020
Any more spoonfeeding you need doing?

>>54486077
Maybe "he" should kill "himself"

>>54486043
>what were Formations?

>>54486036
Oh god lightning cannon modified to play music like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwQmUQauQs

Man Ad Mech and EC fit together shockingly well.

>>54486087
Girly man too thank you Alfred. Is that tea still hot?

What's a good loadout for a captain in a force focused on guerrilla warfare and flyers?

>>54486087
Thanks.

Cawl's rule says

'You can reroll any hit rolls in the shooting phase'.

It doesn't say 'failed hit rolls'. So surely that means if you hit on 3s, and are firing at -1 modifier, you can reroll 3s? That's a weird inconsistent way to word that rule.

>>54486099
Exactly, formations aren't dead and forgotten people hoped, GW is up to its usual tricks

>>54485297
Necrons? prisoners?

Oh you sweet summer child.

>>54486072
all the changes make sense. arguably, the droppod is still overcosted.

>everything got 10% cheaper for SM on top of everything else.
not everything, you moron. only the units that were too expensive for what they're bringing to the fight.

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>>54485990
Well, it kinda IS more efficient for the most part, look at Meltavets for the last four editions. That vehicle looks almost exactly right, too. Give it an alternate build that doesn't carry troops but instead sticks a Void Shield or some ablative wounds a la that Phantom Menace Gungan shield on nearby friendly units from a mounted generator, go full Creeping Barrage with shields up.

>>54486050
Isn't that one of Augustine's Laws?

Law 16: In the year 2054, the entire defense budget will purchase just one tactical aircraft. This aircraft will have to be shared by the Air Force and Navy 3½ days each per week except for leap year, when it will be made available to the Marines for the extra day.

>>54486123
I mean if it's Nemesor Zahndrekh they're dealing with, yes.

>>54485958
>I'm talking about the guns, the melee is useless. The only upside is it does provide a little charge discouragement in gunlines, but even that is weak sauce.
I'll admit having an actual melee weapon deterrs assaults, but Kataphron Destroyers with Heavy Grav cannons do everything better than Breachers with Heavy Arc rifles, even against vehicles, and especially against infantry.

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>>54486105
Yes, sir, I kept it warm between my butt-cheeks. Anything else?

>>54486120
Nothing wrong with making underpowered/used units better with formations. The cancer was stuff like free transports and ridiculous bonuses for already strong units.

>>54486095
Maybe, most of us find the little faggot annoying.

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>>54486105
Here you go, the datasheet for girly man.

>>54486123
> Infinite Pokémon master

>>54486180
BLUD ANGELS!!!

>>54486050
That's why the F-35 was great for the UK (who were 2nd Tier Investors, the only one) who got first dibs and reduce price, got a great deal for 100 odd F-35's. As for military? Tell me about it. The L85A2 is the gun it should have been day one. If it wasn't for the FAMAS the L85A1 would be the worst modern rifle ever made. It was just dogshit. L85A2 is now cheap and good with great modification options. Sadly nobody wants to buy it now because of the poor rep the L85A1 got.

And yeah, sunk cost fallacy is a problem. You could argue the MIC is fucking cancer for USA. As it is, USA is the only country I can hope will decide to build a new huge battleship and equip it with multiple massive railguns. Nothing better than shore bombardment from over the horizon.

>>54486180
>Girlyman
>Mephiston
>Sanguinor

BLOOD ANGELS CONFIRMED BEST.

>>54486146
>Isn't that one of Augustine's Laws?
Kek yeah that one.

>>54486173
You could just say "fuck you, we're playing 8th edition if you don't like it don't play" and then he'll either fuck off or shut up

>>54486123
One dynasty has confirmed human slaves, probably for the lulz.

>>54486120
The fuck they are. If we were still in the Age of Formations, the Killshot Formation would probably need a Land Speeder or a Captain or shit like that as tax for the rule. This time you at least only need to units that are actually involved in the maneuver.
Fags like you complain about everything, don't buy or paint or play at all and still find a reason to shit on GW for imagined offenses. Guess what, they are a company, they need to sell their shit. The fact that they're not quite as in-your-face with the selling schemes as they were under Kirby is an improvement that literally anyone but you can see.

>>54486167
Question, can Guilliman re rolls his failed to hit/would rolls too then or is it just other ultramarines despite him having the ultramarine faction keyword?

>I love Trollzyn the Infinite
>He's got awesome fluff, awesome narrative ability, awesome diorama potential
>He's crap in game
>Sautekh dynasty has 5 or so named characters
>There are two non-dynasty specific members

Really sucks desu.

>>54486222
Does he have the Ultramarines key word? Then yes. Units can re-roll themselves if they have the key word.

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>>54486167
Yes a question.. Should I rape the joker?

>>54485307

Shut the fuck up Juggler- when those armies are mechanically functional to all-flyer lists then you'll have an argument. Overpowered things deserve to get nerfed, end of story. Also 6th edition was an abomination.

>>54485397

>Flyers aren't playable unless I can literally field a list comprising of nothing but flyers

>>54485397
You should Fly down a flight a stairs you fucking loser

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>>54486258
>>54486274
>>54486288
>this level of samefag bitterness

Wow.

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This might be a stupid question but can Orks take off their power klaws like regular power fists? Or is it grafted on permanently?

>>54486248
His fluff is pretty awesome, but damn if his rules don't make any sense for wtf he is supposed to do on the board.

He did get the Nihilakh Dynasty keyword, which is interesting. I thought he was always a free agent in the fluff?

Anyone knows if they have changed the point cost of the old primaris? (Inceptors, intercessor and hellblaster)

>>54486146
Oh yeah, I remember talking about this shit with you, it'd be so cool. I guess for now though the best we can do is hope the Triaros can get on the table without costing an absolute fortune.

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>>54486300
kill yourself

>>54485294
Jesus Christ that thing has a lot of fire powers. What the fuck were they thinking? Are we Orks now?

>>54486309
Knowing Orks, I feel like those things are generally stuck on for life.

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I recently got into Space Hulk which is pretty much my first GW boardgame.

It's really, really fun.

Who has better rules, Mango or Guilmon?

>>54486311
Yeah see >>54485913

>>54485913
Wheres this at, it seemed like he was purposefully avoiding flipping to the points pages.

Time to go through and edit a ton of sheets to comply with the latest FAQ.

>>54486300

Wew

Also not an argument

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>>54486300
>gets shit on.
S-samefag

>>54486300
>52 seconds between posts
Yeah, the level of samefag-bitterness has managed to break the time/space continuum

>>54486309
usually permanent

I think the power klaws in mega armour are part of the suit rather than physically grafted onto the ork's arm

one of the old RT-era ork books probably has some fluff on the subject

>>54485307
>Its like they regret 6th edition.
Shouldn't they? I mean, 5th got me back in for a while, but 6th just kinda bored me and I quit again. 8th got me back because it dropped all the bullshit from the previous editions.

>>54486310
Yeah Nihiliakh is cool too cause they're super rich and their scheme is quite cool. It's shit because the special bonus he has (which is move to another guy) is quite shit because you're essentially replacing a character you've paid for. It's kinda pointless. Basic Lords aren't that cheap.

He should have a Girlyman/Celestine tier resurrection.

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>>54486309
Stuck for life, most minis have tubes going from the Klaw into the flesh. But its not like Orks follow standards.

>>54486309
I reckon they can take them off, mainly for the purposes of replacing it with a bigger power klaw.

None of the ultramarines nonsense matter when a Chaos sorcerer just casts Warp Time on a Lord of Skulls and it basically moves 20" in turn 1 then charges and smashed Bobby G's face in

>>54485944
They need another nerf, Land Raiders are dogshit in comparison.

>>54486309
Boring answer, but I honestly think it varies.

>>54486343
Seriously, flipping back and forth like a spastic squirrel. Does that fucktard even realize that the points tables are coming out as a free download by next week anyway?

>>54485339
Buy everything, paint each mob of boyz in different klan colors. Have several HQ choices from different klans. Use looted vehicles as trukks or wagons as appropriate.

I don't see the white scars making heavy use of primaris marines until Cawl gets around to building a bike pattern.

>>54486153
Not necessarily. Granted a lot of people bring lighty vehicles- like T5/6 4+- in my meta (lots of Xenos so unsurprising), so breachers are a godsend, especially some grav is only doing D1. But against a LR I imagine grav is far better due to better AP and almost double shot output comparatively

>>54486382
What is a 3+ invulnerable save?

Is it good?

>>54486345
Fix the GK falchions to be 0 instead of 35 for me, its making the efficiency on them look like crap.

>>54486318
Yeah, that would be fine for now. It would be so easy to make Mechanicus a superb army, we have a guideline in the 30k books and an absurd amount of cool fluff to work with. It just looks like the writers can't really be bothered where we are concerned.

>>54486412
>I present to you...the Cawl pattern Nounverber attack bike! It comes with quad lasguns, five grenade launchers on each side (front, back, left, right), two heavy bolter sponsons and a heavy flamer! Also, it's a skimmer!

>>54486355
>>54486300
S-same fag too

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>>54485842
>Skittles

>>54485679
>chin fucking

And I thought my armpit fetish was high speed

>>54486422
Huh, I must have been looking at the Dreadfist cost? Not sure how I got 35. Fixing now. Thanks for the catch!

>>54485307
Fliers make no sense at the scale in which Warhammer 40,000 battles are fought. They were a mistake from the moment they were introduced.

>>54485962

wow, a saving of zero dollars, thanks GW!

Seriously though, if they're willing to give discounts on the starter boxes, and pretty steep discounts on them at that (the skitarii box is like 40% off i think) why not just offer discounts on formations like this to actually attract buying in bulk, or would that cut them too much?

Or is that the point, get people hooked and then jack up the price?

>>54485689
Gimmick lists should be punished. Either man up if you truly love the gimmick and deal with it, or play an actual non retarded list. You don't see pure dreadnought or pure terminator players complaining about the obvious weaknesses those build cause

>>54486493
That's what I thought, thanks anon.

So why don't orks have a Start Collecting box?

>>54485538
You should be using your acolytes for 10 pt stormbolters not ablative wounds for a mediocre inquisitor. The amount of firepower they can put out along with being able to go on ANY imperium vehicle makes them fantastic.

>>54486539
But those are in game weaknesses, not 'if you have 7 dreadnaughts, you automatically lose the game'.

Nerf flyers stats, don't make it illegal to field an army of them.

>>54486551
We do.... its got some decent shit too....

>>54485265
What did I miss?

Anyone got the full Redemptor datasheet?

>>54485646
We will probably live to see the end of the role of tanks.

Armored Personnel Carriers and specialist infantry with drone support will be the future of tactical operations. While advanced GTA or Air/Navel support will annihilate targets from beyond the horizon.

At least High-impact war, kids with AK's will still be the go to for every African warlord probably for centuries to come.

We really just need to find more cost efficient ways to kill brown people, dollar for dollar we are just getting worse at our jobs.

>>54485297
Orks use them as slaves, to manufacture things that Orks cannot - like clothing, or as bait to catch more 'umies.

>>54485782
If that's the BA Stormraven list, he was actually a new player playing his first GT so that just shows flyers were a problem.

Flyers aren't super broken but you can just face roll with them while playing the board edge is lava and do well above average

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>>54486574
All flyer lists being neutered.
Bleeding ass holes all around.

>>54486539

Honestly so far the only real weakness my all-dread list has is I can't climb into ruins to punch people.

And even then, it's more frustrating than a huge deal: I can shoot ruin campers, anything big enough to need a dreadnought's fist to kill is big enough that it can't climb either.

>>54486464
>nounverb
Nah, their light jetbikes will be interceptors, and their heavy jetbikes will be incisors. Named to minimise confusion with intercessors and inceptors.

>>54486570
Can you link me it? I can't find it in the store.

>>54486309
It's probably grafted in deep, with connections direction into the bone... but they're orks. Major surgery is just a few hours of hacksawing away. So while they could just get a new ork flesh arm, I don't see why they'd downgrade at any point.

>>54486584
>dollar for dollar we are just getting worse at our jobs
only because they keep restricting or banning the use of the easy/cheap stuff

chemical weapons would be such an easy solution, but we can't use 'em

>>54486536
>Or is that the point, get people hooked and then jack up the price?
Precisely.
They know you can't make a competitive army with just what's in the starter sets, so they sell the rest for full and inflated prices. Though some Start Collecting boxes can be bought in bulk, like the Scions box, which has no dead weight aside from the shitty little Commisar and the box is still a nice amount of saving even if you completely disregard him.

Deathwatch player here, what primaris models could I pick up?

>>54485351
The normal marine lieutnant can take pretty much ALL THE MARINE OPTIONS. Combi Weapons, plasma pistol, jump pack, fist, etc. and why the Primaris only have 3 W instead of 4 like the normal one?.

This is my first list, I hear Grey Knights may be getting a codex soon so I will probably not start buying anything until then. Also, GW seems to be sold out, and my FLGS has no grey knight models. Anyways here it goes, points are pretty close comes out to even 2000 if I got it right.

Strike Squad 5, One Psilincer107
Razorback, Twin Las, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter 123

Strike Squad 5, One Psilincer107
Razorback, Twin Las, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter 123

Purgation Squad 5, Unsure of loadout 177
Razorback, Twin Auto Cannon, HK, Storm B, 108

Paladin 5, 324
Grandmaster, 162
Apothecary, 90
Grandmaster, 162

Dreadknight, Incinerator, Psycanon, Hammer 250
Dreadknight similar 250-267

>>54486670
We've been over this in this very thread.

>>54486668
Reivers

No more storm shield, sword, and a combi-gun for yiffs, lame.

>>54486634
>>54486634
Looks like its gone, odd. They might be reworking them to have an HQ choice in them so that it can be used straight out of the box since Painboys are no longer HQs. Off the top of my head it had
>Painboy
>10 Boyz
>5 Nobz
>Deff Dread

Might be able to find one on ebay or something?

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>>54486708
Good.

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Going to grab my first ever model and paint it up. I really enjoy the lore of Imperial Fists and the have a hard on for defending shit. I'm thinking about grabbing a Primaris Captain and giving him the stalker bolter. Eventually I'll play but shit I want to paint now. What all do I need? Model glue and paints?

>>54486670

Primaris Lt has +1A and +1W in exchange for only getting a power sword.

Regular Lt can take other weaponry but only has 3A and 4W.

Just depends on taste really, I think kitting the regular Lt with crazy wargear is a bit overkill.

>>54486708
Three-armed space wolves gone for good, hopefully.

>>54485546
Nah, fuck yourself kid. Now that facing isn't a thing anymore the only weakness flyers had are gone.

>>54486680
Also does Deathwatch have similar stats as grey knights do for demons, but relating to Xenos?

>>54486736
Plastic glue obviously, and some brushes. Don't be cheap on them, a good brush really helps with painting and does make a diference. Get a white primer, as painting yellow on black is a task you don't want to do. And yellow colours, of course.
Don't forget to get some clippers and a hobby knife.

>>54486747
Kitting him with a jump pack for mobility would be pretty decent, though.

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>>54486332
>>54486359
>>54486371
>>54486376
>>54486397
>Orks often amputate their own arms and graft a Power Klaw to the stump, taking the weapon as an augmetic implant.
>often
So I guess it depends on the Ork. Looks like a mega armored big mek keeps both hands. The meganobz don't amputate either it looks like.

>>54486584
>Advanced Grand Theft Auto support
I could get behind that :^)

>>54486547
Okay, Nemesis Falchions should be sorted. I also realized there was a slight mistake in the Grandmaster cost-calcs and fixed that.

While I'm at it, I'm also adding cost-calc lines for the use of storm bolters on GM/Brother-Captain/Brotherhood Ancient/Brotherhood Champion/Crowe, and cost-calcs for special weapons on interceptor squads, which I appear to have missed.

>>54486736
>I'm thinking about grabbing a Primaris Captain
Nope. Take the Easy To Build Intercessors. The Captain is loaded with detail that is really hard for a novice to paint around. Get the 3 basic Intercessors, they're much easier to paint (cheaper too).

You also need plastic glue and some paints.

With Imperial Fists you can cheat decently and just spray them White then wash them with Cassandora Yellow, but you can also paint them the real way. At best, watch a tutorial on Warhammer TV.

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Just catching up from yesterdays thread.
If the jackass who wasted money on this thing and didnt listen to me tell him its USELESS since it hits on 5+
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO
Enjoy your, admittedly metal as fuck, $120 terrain piece

>>54486747
Being able to make him M 12 is what really clinches it though, you want to be able to have you're buff aura where you need it when you need it.
And giving him a combi-weapon also makes him somewhat of threat at range.

>>54486309
If Yarrick is anything to go by (even if he is a human) they're grafted to the stump where the arm was

>>54486652
You expect us to stay moto when we get paid below minimum wage and often work overtime?

>>54486736
Buy some good cutters too if its on a sprue. I ruined one of my HQs using scissors to cut him off his sprue.

>>54485294
wasnt this thing supposed to have fly?

>>54486756
I sure hope Assault Sergeants with Thunderhammers, Boltpistol, Combat Shield and Meltabomb will not get FAQ'd anytime soon.

>>54485294
>Las-Talon
>Its primary turreted gun is a worst Twin Lascannon
>Is co-axial gun have more range

What the fuck is the desing point of this tank then?

It is going to be worst and more situational Land Rider. right? though it is going to be a must in Primaris only army.

>>54486123
At least one Necron lord treats his defeated enemies like PoWs because he thinks he's still fighting Necrontyr 100 million years ago, and another Necron lord is renowned for "collecting" entire regiments of Imperial Guard and storing them in stasis.

>>54486613
Hah. When are they going to nerf all knight lists?

>>54486812
It does, he's just holding his big fucking sausage fingers over the keyword.

>>54486802
Just do your minimum commitment and get out. My bro stayed up, but he only had one combat deployment. If he had done back to back combat deployments he probably would have gotten burned out.

>>54486680
You should bring ancients since every gk unit has so much melee value. 10 man Strike Squad with Falchions and Hammer Hand for instance can melee down vehicles in one turn. Any multi attack character with a daemon hammer becomes a strong anti tank option.

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IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE NEW APOTHECARY, IT LOOKS FUCKING AWESOME

fuck i promised myself i was going to expand my admech army before my primaris but i guess noooooo fucking gw actually wants to make a sexy as fuck model

heres the link https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

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>>54486780
Noted! Thanks a bunch.
>>54486798
I really enjoy the model so I'm rather set on it, do you think it'll be too hard for me? Good advice on the tutorial too.

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>>54486799
I sure wouldn't care.

>>54486800

12" movement for 5 points is pretty sweet but in my experience my lieutenant is glued to my hellblasters, predator and dread the entire game.

Pretty cool for running with an assault squad or bikes though!

>>54485546
Flyers can't hold an objective in real life either. You need boots on the ground, because that's the type of fight every 40K fight is about. Just buy a few troops and hide them if you have to, until your flyer support can kill every single other enemy.

>>54486860
lack of helmet and hand holding goop are points against the model

hopefully it comes with swaps, otherwise it will require converting

>>54486824
>At least one Necron lord treats his defeated enemies like PoWs because he thinks he's still fighting Necrontyr 100 million years ago
Yeah, but his bodyguard makes sure they're all "shot trying to escape".

>>54486838
No need. They auto-lose pretty much any objective-based mission.

>>54486824
And Imotekh who collects arms of his enemies.

>>54486792
Hey Chart-anon, did you take into consideration Arc Rifles doing D6 dmg vs vehicles?

So if I have an entire dark eldar army in transports, I lose?

>>54486816

Considering it can only transport Primaris, its probably going to only show up with them.

That being said it has way more guns than a land raider in exchange for being 3+ instead of 2+ (a running theme with primaris).

The 24" range barely matters when it can move 12" and fire at full BS.

>>54486838
Knights cost about 100 points more now but more nerfs wouldn't be minded. You guys act like knights aren't hated almost as much as other stupid shit like flyers

>>54485307
I dont understand what you are bitching about. All this "Nerf" did was make all' flyers armies not legal, their stats werent touched

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>>54486824
>another Necron lord is renowned for "collecting" entire regiments of Imperial Guard and storing them in stasis.
>>54486881
>And Imotekh who collects arms of his enemies

But which one is the better collector?

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>>54486167
>tfw took him down with massed fire from skittle anti-tank rifles on turn 2
>player fudged his repair protocols
>ded
>REEEEEEing occurs
>quit and packed his models up because 'his strategy was ruined by my unbalanced list' i.e. that one model didn't win the game for him

Good times.

>>54486892
-> >>54485600
You're playing Drew Carrey. You already lost :^)

>>54486892
no, because the FAQ is adressing FLYERS. A unit with Fly isn't a Flyer

>>54486896
It moves 10'' max

>>54486861
Well, I'm not saying don't get him, I just think that you'll have an easier time painting the Captain if you've already gotten some experience from some simpler models.

>>54486901
They're crying that their army is too easy to table now because they're too stupid to keep their handful of infantry taxes hidden.

>>54486917
Is that really a transuranic arquebus? Because it looks even sexier than I remember.

>>54486856
I wanted to, but I need cheap HQ's. Both ancients appears to be an elite not HQ. I want the mobiles strike and purgation squads to help cap objectives, and the paladin one master and apothecary will drop in, as well as the dark knights.

>>54486860
>apothecary

That is a clearly chaplain.

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>>54486860
>the fucking studs on the knee

CAN'T WAKE UP

New psychic powers leak yet?

How to make epubs open in readium by default?

>>54486884
Are we talking Arc Rifles or Heavy Arc Rifles? As far as I can tell, non-heavy Arc Rifles do d3 to vehicles, not d6, unless I'm blind and can't find that change in the FAQ.

Regardless, you'll notice that for weapons like (Heavy) Arc Rifles, I have two separate damage lines; one for vs Vehicles, and one for vs anything else. You can see in these two lines that the columns defining damage are different, and what they are (IE right now Arc Rifle has 0:1 for vs non-Vehicles, indicating a flat damage of 1, while it's 1:3 vs Vehicles, indicating a 1d3).

I could manually alter the numbers dependent on the test dummy (IE on a single damage line modify the effective damage against just vehicles), but the Light/Medium/Heavy vehicles also represent things like monstrous creatures which the arc rifles would not get their bonus damage against, so I just do different lines for it.

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>>54486951
Yeah, I love how it looks, glad it's recieved a buff now. Fits the Ranger's description as essentially the Mechanicus' big game hunters.

So they've flipflopped on the modifiers after rerolls thing?

Thank god for that rerolling charge rolls clarification too.

>>54486860
>Play of the Game
>Primaris Chaplain

DEATH COMES

DIE DIE DIE

>>54486943
You make a great point seeing as I'm also fucking terrible at anything art related like painting. Will consider it. Also considering waitin for DA rules but I plan on going Primaris only and that might not mesh well.

>>54486666

Assuming they actually make money off of those they could probably make a killing selling those boxes to each sub faction

>Start collecting IW with a warpsmith, a squad of MkIII marines, and a basilisk

And didn't they do boxed armies which included all the stuff you'd need to play the mandatory formation back in 7th? Or were those not sold at a discount?

>>54486838
Knights are fucking awful now, overcosted and underperforming, especially when taken as an army. There is no upside to this, they just straight-up suck.

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I'm glad about the flyer change
All it did was make flyer spam unviable, individual fliers didnt get nerfed into uselessness

>>54486998
here

>>54486969
>>54486860
ah fuck you got me i fucked up, its a chaplain sorry i was just excited

>>54487033
He has good advice, but don't worry about being terrible at painting. I am, and you can get decent looking models by just taking your time and utilizing the techniques you find online.

>>54486930

>10"

okay 34" range, not a huge deal.

>>54486998
Two days ago, slowpoke.

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>>54487012
I was talking about Heavy Arc rifles, the ones wielded by Breachers, thanks.
>>54487020
It recieved a buff? What happened to it? :DDD
>>54487028
Time to Zeal

>>54487023
You can still use a command point to re-roll a single dice of the charge distance.

Only retards thinking reroll charge meant the same as having Fleet in 7th needed this FAQ.

>>54487047
All knights are extremely good at winning kill point missions if you play with the less units go first rule

>>54486860
15 skulls on this guy. nice.