Who /custodies/ here?

>>54481985
Battle janitor codex when?

>>54482008
Hopefully soon. The fact that all other armies have split champions and banner guys off from their respective units, yet custards are stuck without any HQs is stupid. It wouldn't have killed them to make the Shield-Captain an HQ choice with W7 and the Vexilla-bearer another HQ with W4.
And FW should suck it up and open their vehicles selection for 40k. If anybody has access to all the old shit it'd be the golden bananas.

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>>54481985
I.

>>54481985
>space marines spent 10,000 years killing shit
>faggot Janitors spent 10,000 years playing hide and seek in the palace. For free.

>>54482637
>playing hide and seek in the palace
With a metric fuckton of daemons.

>>54482188
I love the leather gloves over armored gauntlet design for the art and minis. It doesn't make any sense but it's aesthetic as fuck.

>>54482679
>With a metric fuckton of daemons.
?

>>54482679
Magnus' Fuck Up was sealed idiot.

>>54482679
For a couple of weeks at worst. While Emps was still walking around.
Not saying the War in the Webway wasn't impressive as shit (quite possibly the single most apocalyptic daemon invasion ever, in fact), but it's also fact that they've sat on their asses for the last several millenia. This is part of their fluff now.

>>54482761
Don't they still patrol Terra, route out terrorists, assassination attempts against the Imperial Senate, protect the Emperor and the Golden Throne, and still do Blood Games? Also how long did the War in the Webway last? Because it seems like it was at least five years or something.

I'm not caught up but I heard Primarch Smurf is back and the Custodes are being sent back to fight on the battlefield. I think HH wise I left off at finishing Pharos.

>>54482858
They guard the Imperial Palace, i.e. the single most defended place in the galaxy, alongside scores of marines, praetorian guard, arbites, assassins, sororitas, titans and null-maidens (plus other, more sinister shit). They do occasionally inflitrate the high houses in disguise (how is anyone's guess) and do bloodgames. They couldn't give less of a shit about the senate or anything else; if those get their asses killed it's their own damn problem.
As for the war in the webway, we don't know for sure, but five years seems like a reasonable estimation. The custodes lost 900 of their numbers, so it had to have been going on for a while.

>>54483063
>Marines
What Astartes are guarding the Imperial Palace on Terra? Imperial Fists are the only ones that fit the role as the Emperor's Praetorians besides the Custodes themselves and aren't the majority of them still on the Phalanx?
>They do occasionally infiltrate the high houses in disguise (how is anyone's guess)
Blood Games by Abnett covers this. They have devices that display an illusion that alters their size, voices, and physical stature.

Also what happened to Valdor? And how did some random Daemon fuck up the Emperor during the War in the Webway? And why wasn't the Emperor able to destroy it and had to seal it in Ra, one of his main Custodes?

>>54483265
Because author fiat. Emps must suck at all times, so obviously Drach'nyen is invulnerable.
Also, fuck you, dad. Chaos is best step-dad.

>>54483265
>What Astartes are guarding the Imperial Palace on Terra?
No clue it this is still canon, but 2nd edition mentionen how several chapters were on terra for the explicit purpose of protecting it.

>>54483383
Ah. I don't do the tabletop stuff, I just read the novels. Does the lore in the new novels supersede the guidebooks for the games?

>>54483460
Yes. Well, sorta. It's iffy. Strictly speaking everything is canon and nothing is, since everything is just one point of view for the entire setting. In theory everything has equal standing, but that has changed recently.
BL is generally somewhat shit, so people are wary of it, but the writers at GW lap it up and integrate it into anything.
Basically, just guess. It'll probably be retconned or contradiced by another author anyway.

>>54483864
Wait then how the fuck does anything even count as canon in Warhammer/40k then? I remember that really really old early 40k omnibus I read that is so out-of-date now that its practically non-canon with its references to squats, ratmen, space marines needing to be constantly mentally reindoctrinated to fight daemons, etc...

>>54484256
When everything is canon, nothing is.

>>54482118
What would use for a hq in the meantime?

>>54484665
Kitbash rawbutt to make Big E.

>>54481985
So on average, whose tougher individually, a Grey Knight or a Custode?

>>54485466
Battle janitor. Space marines aren't ageless, custodies are.
Also, the custodies use gene therapy and have the initiate grow the organs inside his body, and marines just shove organs into kids and hope their bodies don't reject the organs.

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Is TotE a good buy if im looking to start collecting space janitors?

>>54485466
Custards are the closest thing to a Primarch and they are all pumped with Big juice.

Grey knights are just space marines able to remember fuckloads of prayers to resist the slanesh sluts.

>>54482761

There was that one time eldar snuck in and the Custodes caught them.

>>54485466

I always heard that basically every Custodes is nearly on par with a Primarch, hence why they guard the single most important person in the galaxy.

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>>54485746
Not really, not at least if you're going to do it properly.

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>>54486425
That's not accurate, there are some Primarch tier Custodes like the Tribune's and Constantine Valdor, but most are just really beefy marines.

>>54485752
Grey Knight gene-seed comes from the Emperor directly.

>>54486530

nope, they are way superior to any marines from the heresy era. It is said in the fluff they are the closest emperor's creation to the Primarchs.

>>54486462
>do you love me brother
>>be strong clarancestode
>>be strong for the emperor

>>54486647
That's a rumour, more likely it's a blenderized mix of mostly traitor gene-seed.
Or maybe just modified Thousand Sons.

>>54486661
I'm talking tabletop here, going by HH they're just marines with +1 in every stat.

>>54486425
Custodes and Astartes are considered to be cousins. Obviously their profession differs, Custodes are guardians and warriors who are trained also in the arts of covert operations, espionage, assassination, and fighting individually while Astartes are first and foremost soldiers and battle in tandem with their comrades and battle-brothers. On average though, a Custode is taller but slightly leaner then an Astarte.

>basically every Custodes is nearly on par with a Primarch
Aside from Valdor, they aren't. Vendatha in The First Heretic killed like three Word Bearer high-ranking officers and champions before they could counter his attacks, killing like two Chapter Masters and a Captain if I remember this right.

But on average, unless you are a Valdor whose at least physically on par with Alpharius and Omegon and considered tough by Russ, they are still way below any Primarch. Basically it goes:

Emperor > Primarchs + Valdor > Custodes >= Grey Knights >= Deathwatch (elites of the elites are the only Space Marines allowed to enter the Deathwatch/Ordo Xenos kill-teams) > regular Astartes. Not that many years ago we didn't even know if Custodes were actually born into becoming what they are or if they were put in a process similar to Astartes and enhanced with chemical stimulants, organs, and biological stimulii.

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>>54486713
>Custode is taller but slightly leaner then an Astarte.
How about no?

>>54486689
>I'm talking tabletop here
Didn't first edition 40k have original SMs just being normal guys in power armor?

>>54486752
How come some of the HH books I read directly say Custodes armor is leaner then Astartes armor then?

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>>54486774
>How come some of the HH books I read directly say Custodes armor is leaner then Astartes armor then?
Because fluff is unreliable as shit and doesn't correspond with tabletop?

A lot of that stuff was also written before they got real models and rules.

This is also 7th and 8th ed stuff so it's not like I'm dredging up outdated lore from the annals of time.

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>>54486871
>>54486774
Also if you're wondering these are the most recent Custodes rules in 40k.

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>>54486871
why didn't the emperor just make all space marine geneseed out of his genes instead of his mutant kid's?

>>54487006
First it was faster, Emps doesn't have "gene-seed", Custodes are based on his genetic material but they're crafted individually since there's no gene-seed to act as a shortcut.
Secondly he wanted Space Marines to be somewhat disposable, they were never intended to stick around for over 10,000 years.

>>54483383
Space Wolves have a permament detail on Terra but thats it as far as I know.

>>54486960
Incidentally, the Guardian Spear is now the inferior choice in both 30k and 40k.

>>54485466
Gray Knights actually do shit so they are superior

>>54487006
Why isn't the US military nothing but navy seals?

>>54487006
>>54487076
Wrong.

Space Marine gene seed is diverse. The Emperor intended his soldiers to be versitile, the banana men are not.

>>54487259
I mean there's that too, but that's probably third on the top three of why.

>>54485545
>into kids
Thawn was an adult by the time he was taken in by the Black Ships.
He is an outlier though.

>>54483265
Because ADB has started to just phone it in, Abnett style.

>>54487312
The viable range is like 6-22, lower end of the spectrum just tends to lead to less complications.

>>54483265
The End of Empires/Drach'nen is no random daemon. It's the darkness within mankind made manifest. A horrid monument to all their sins. It's evidence that humanity is the most EVUL and wretch race in the galaxy. It's seeks to give humanity what it deserves for creating it. Extinction. The Emperor shares in the crime of its existence so like all of humanity he is its prey.

>>54487316
STFU. You dont talk shit about Abnett

>>54487470
fucking cringe

>>54487470
Yeah, yeah, we get it, ADB, Chaos is awesome and being edgy is a good revenge on your dad, but Drach'nyen still is just a really fancy sword.

>>54487137
I don't see how. It's shit for shooting yes, but a +1 to strength with a -3 save sounds godly in close quarters.

>>54487545
>I support murder

>>54487571
It's not about Chaos being awesome. It's about humanity being sucky.

Drach'nyen is trapped in sword form and shackled to Abaddon but its destined to destroy the Emperor and end humanity. As it is immortal and nigh-indestructible (The Emperor being powerless to destroy it), Drach'nyen will ultimately fulfil its purpose. It's inevitable.

>>54484256
The whole point of this is supposed to be to create a fun setting as a backdrop to putting together model dudes that you like the look of and then sending them off to die against other model dudes.
Canon is kept relatively 'soft' so that it's easy for everyone's aesthetic to live together, whether Grimderp, or HFY, or Metal Hurlant.
The class of 40k fan that is actually the biggest problem in online discussion is the ones who take the idea of canon (and the whole universe) way too seriously.

>>54487587
Now look at the Sentinel Blade.
Notice something?
Oh yes, that's the same profile as the Guardian Spear, except without the S+1. Instead you get a 3++ and a two-shot pistol you can also fire in melee. For a mere 2pts more.

I'd like to add that having at least S5 is a lot more important than having at least S6. S5 will wound anything in the game at least on 5+ while S6's only real advantage is fighting against T5.

>>54487683
It's about some neat weapon in the lore suddenly being spawned by the first murder or some shit like that, bestowing way more importance on some background thing than it was ever meant to have.
See also: Perpetuals, the cabal, beast waagh, the list goes on.

>>54487683
Kys ADB

>>54485466
Custodians are closer to individual creations compared to the standardized gene seeds Marines have. There could be a Custodian who's an expert at coding antivirus software for the cognators in the Imperial Palace or can sit in the same security room watching over camera footage for millennia without boredom.

>>54487810
It explains why Abaddon launched a whole Black Crusade to claim the sword. I remember some morons in the past bitching at Abaddon for going after the sword and wasting men and material for it.

Now we know why. Abaddon holds the extinction of mankind in his hand.

>>54487891
People would launch large raids for shiny weapons all the time. It's a strong Daemon weapon. Even if not here was no legend about any of it, people would want it nonetheless.

>>54486871
Modern fluff > game books.

>>54487006
Because the custodes are warriors and he needed soldiers

>>54485425
But that's not an hq choice in 8th

>>54487891
Chaos dudes have always been about getting their mitts on super-fancy weapons. Abbadon has done this several times himself like with the Hand of Darkness and shit.
This does not need a convoluted explanation beyond "It's a good sword, and he wants it because he's a really good fighter." Even most of his chaos lackeys would accept that explanation.

>>54487737
>Necron Player here

I can admit that S/T5 is pretty awesome, I just wish they brought by our wargear and septernal weave So Lords and Lychgaurd could be scary again.

>>54487891
Hello Carnac

>>54487937
>>54488038
Except I know for a fact that Imperialfags harped on it constantly. "LOL launched a whole crusade and lost tons of men for SWURD". Sorry, guys, but this is all your fault. If you don't want something to change, then shut your mouths. GW hears everything and they act on it.

I mean ADB was assigned by GW to dispel the Abaddon meme which you guys started and refused to let die, He is going at it hard. How overboard he takes it is on you guys.

>>54488204
Yes, and people also constantly shit on the wolves, but I see no-one doing much to un-fag them, nor does anybody seem particularly invested in de-scrubbing the nids as a whole.

>>54488284
Here's the thing: He'll stay the Armless regardless of how much effort anyone pours into it because of two facts:
- it's a funny joke (funny being debatable, but that's how memes get started
- no-one with half a functioning brain cell ever actually thought that Abby was a non-thread.
This has taken a life of its own and it is beyond anyone to handle.

>>54484665
Anyone?

>>54488028
Rowboat is.

>>54482118

Forge World is butthurt they're being forced to port over the 30k stuff, they'll drag their feet as long as they can in the name of "fluff"

>>54488761
What detachment let's you take a lord of War as a hq?

>>54487006
Because it takes a fuck long time to produce Custodes and Astartes were meant to be mass produced.

>>54486713

Where do Thunder Warriors rank on that scale?

>>54489280
depends on who you ask or where you look

in some fluff they're budget, garage-built marines
in other fluff they're larger, stronger, faster, and generally more capable in every way when compared with marines

>>54489280
Outcast Dead had the big grand papa Thunder Warrior beating the shit out of several Space Marines including three World Eater berserkers.

>>54489312
In current 40k, we have at least two surviving Thunder Warriors, one whose the Big Boss of the Thunder Warriors, running around in the slums of Terra. The big boss nigga wants to find out the secret to Astartes longevity so he can prevent genetic instability the Emperor engineered in the Thunder Warriors from killing him and presumably others besides his #2 as well as him himself.

They fucked up several Astartes including a "giant" of a Space Marine from the Death Guard.

>>54489312

I thought they were just physically stronger than marines and more ruthless, not necesarily physically better overall.

>>54487006

Because Custodes are the perfection of the formula, essentially a designer baby. And designer babies aren't easy to make.

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>>54489353
From the Outcast Dead. Note how Nagesena, a man specifically chosen by Malcador and Dorn to hunt down the traitor Marines for his skill and tracking abilities talks about how dangerous they are and compares them to the Thunder Warriors.

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>>54489497
Also apparently baring a naked blade before a Custodian is a taboo.

>>54489572
Would you have a sword out in front of a guy who could snap your spine with a flick?

>>54486462
Then what should I start at that won't cost me my other kidney?

>>54489610
Did Nagesena hold his own against a fucking World Eater Captain in a sword duel later in the novel?

>>54489724
*Didn't

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>>54489572
Thunder Warrior vs Space Marines

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>>54489757
Continued

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>>54489782
Thunder Warriors time.

>>54489724
I don't know, haven't read the book.

But still, it's disrespectful to have an open sword in front of anyone, much less your superior officer.

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>>54489893

>>54489280
Thunder Warriors are amazing at killing, worse than Custodes, but are also unstable and crude. Emps got rid of them for a reason, really. And hell, in Outcast Dead some of the Thunder Warriors even seem quite understanding and accepting of exactly why.

>>54489939

>>54489928
Yeah the tracker dude/samurai man does indeed face the traitor World Eater Captain in a duel, though it also involved some luck. Nagasena is simply THAT good but he still gets fucked up.

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>>54490006
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>>54490026
Thunder Warrior Captains are bigger then even big-ass Space Marines.

>>54488401

ARMLESS THE HARMLESS

>>54488307
People only shit on the wolves because they jelly to the max

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>>54490328

they shit on the wolves because its funny, same reason people shit on the eldar for being pansies or the nids for being NPC's or magnus for ruining everything

>>54489928
The custodian didnt out rank him

>>54490384
The Wolves are the most superior chapter and legion. Shitting on them is like shitting on the Yankees, it stinks of envy.

>>54490384

THAT WAS LORGAR GODSDAMNIT

>>54490479

That's a bad comparison because there's a legit complaint about the Yankees and how they can essentially buy their success. A better comparison is the NFL's Patriots or 90s Cowboys. They were the best, but they started on an even playing field with the other teams.

>>54490479
Furries

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Bringers of the coming broom, by sneeze of allergy, we are drawn.

This oath of spotless hygiene, on mop of finest fiber sown, with gunk anointed swabs aloft, advance we, into dust's dankest loft.

Cleaning unblemished unleashed with zest, a spotless washing of sink and seat.

Scrub with soap, brush, and water, bring duster's velvet feathers to frames.

For the Imperium, polishers of the Golden Throne! The Emperor's chosen destroyers of germs!

>>54490407
When it comes to the protection of the Emperor the Custodians outrank any and everybody, including the High Lords and the Inquisition. So long as you're in the Imperial Palace the Custodes are your superior.

It makes sense that having a weapon of any kind out around a guy whose job is to bodyguard your God would be offensive, you're either a potential threat or you're insulting them by implying that they're not doing their job and keeping the palace safe.

>>54490574
The patriots cheat though

>>54483265
>>They do occasionally infiltrate the high houses in disguise (how is anyone's guess)
>Blood Games by Abnett covers this. They have devices that display an illusion that alters their size, voices, and physical stature.
That sounds like a great idea until they have to walk through a door and can't because the door frame only reaches up to their nipples.

>>54490647

But they STARTED on an even playing field. Also all the teams cheat, especially the Raiders.

>>54490653

I'm imagining one whacking his head on the decorative glass above a doorway.

>>54490661
The raiders dont cheat you dumb fuck. They have been the worst team in football for a decade.

>>54490697

I never said they win.

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>>54490574
>Patriots
>literally cheating to win
>"the best"

>>54490643
Nagasena and Saturnalia (the Custodian in question here) were well outside of the Imperial Palace and Nagesana was actually the main put in charge of the tracking and kill-team sent out after the renegade Space Marines.

>>54490818
This. Belicheat would be executed by the Custards for his dishonorable ways

>>54490846
Which team would the Custodies go for? I say the Packers!

>>54490846
>>54490989
You are now imaging Blood Bowl but instead its filled with teams representing different Space Marine legions and the Custodes. Would you play this tabletop?

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>>54490147
Nagaesana vs Tagore 1.

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>>54491223
Nagasena vs Tagore 2.

>>54486752
Do you, by any chance, understand how the words 'scale' and 'proportion' factor into this?

>>54487737
> two-shot pistol you can also fire in melee
> fire in melee
u wot

>>54487230
Pretty bad argument, honestly. You really can't compare the two.

With the direction of weapons technology and ever changing geopolitical spectrum, modern (and future) warfare is essentially special operations, intelligence work, and policing actions.

The days of conventional warfare are essentially over, unless something incredibly serious (and incredibly unlikely) happens.

Equally, there's no logical reason the warfare in 40k isn't identical, not when you can terriform planets almost at will and completely destroy the ones you don't like. The setting has been designed for large-scale, conventional warfare to be allowed to exist when it shouldn't.

>>54491605
In the new edition pistols can be fired in melee.

>>54491605
Well banana-jannies can stab you AND shoot you with their spears at the same time.

>>54490818
>staymad

Implying the Patriots need to cheat to win.

>>54492055
t. Trumpette

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>>54490384

The fluff that should have been: Gulliman wakes up from stasis, Cawl introduces him to the old Thunder Warrior designs left by the God Emperor of Mankind. In need of numbers and power Gulliman allows for the reproduction of the designs on Terra and Mars, under the supervision of the Custodes.

The restored Thunder Warriors are led by Gulliman or one the Custodes captains. Unstable but powerful, they assist in the reclamation of territory lost to chaos, nids and Necrons but are only useful in offensive expeditions due to their rages and instability.

Now they don't replace SMs, are part of established fluff and are justified in their strength.

>>54490384
Fuck off Russ. We all know the real bitch boy is Erebus and Lorgar.

>>54489347
>In current 40k, we have at least two surviving Thunder Warriors, one whose the Big Boss of the Thunder Warriors, running around in the slums of Terra. The big boss nigga wants to find out the secret to Astartes longevity so he can prevent genetic instability the Emperor engineered in the Thunder Warriors from killing him and presumably others besides his #2 as well as him himself.

They must be playing the long game then. 10,000 years and that dude is still slumming it on Terra? Guess he hasn't turned to Chaos at least

>>54493149
I meant lore wise, Ghota and Babu are shown to be alive centuries after the supposed "heroic sacrifice" of the Thunder Warriors at the end of the Unification Wars on Terra.

>>54491778
You sound like the eggheads at Northrop that thought jets didn't need guns in the 70s. Tech seldom outpaces the massed application of the previous eras doctrine. Seldom as in never.

>>54492292
Mah niggah.
Would have made even more sense if that one thunder warrior who was jacking gene seen in outcast dead is who cawl gets his grubby dendrites on to experiment with. They don't have to be carbon copies; maybe just slightly better versions of an older product

>>54493149
With the emperor being more and more human with each release (for good and bad reasons) I like to think their nonviability comes more from the stock of humanity available and maybe emps lack of long term results of gene tinkering. Think high school chemistry done on biker methheads vs doctorate thesis worked on prime non irradiated/inbred alpha stock

>>54491778
Dude, honestly though, the reason assymetrical warfare is the order of the day here and now, on earth, is because we're part of a total, intra-global economy, that has no frontier to be fought over, only ideas to be fought over. Once you're talking about being in space, where there is room for any species to expand, you're looking at uniformed conflict becoming more common place again as the conflict moves away from the urban centers, and becomes more acceptable to a civilian population that is necessary in it's own right, and requires the resources of expansion to reach it's potential technological and societal zenith.

>>54484665
An Inquisitor would have the most synergy (i.e. any at all)

>>54487427
I can't recall exactly how old he was, but I'm pretty sure he had spent lifetimes fighting in various militias prior to his induction.
Then again, he *was* a perpetual.

>>54490479
Yankees are only a shit the last few years, Wolves have NEVER been good.

>>54483864
>>54484526
>When everything is canon, nothing is.
People keep stating this but they're mistaken. New fluff is canon and old fluff that gets retconned isn't. This has been stated by GW numerous times.

>>54490790
What is this from?

>>54491052
In a heartbeat

>>54493783
That's unfortunate. Inquisitors don't really fit the theme of the army at all

>>54490653
What of "alters their physical stature" did you not get?
As longs as that thing is on they are from an outside observers view just normal humans. It's not just an illusion, but a bending of space. DAOT tech.