Need a light?

>>54467177
>give it pantsu helmet
>count as Sister of Battle

>>54467177
Gotta say, they look better without the big dumb missile launcher on the back making them look top-heavy. Now if only they could have made it so the flamers didn't look like they were haphazardly bolted on without any thought put into it.

[Kurwa intensifies] I will never defend this whole ,,gw ain't stole from blizzard" anymore :/

>>54467315
>Blizzard steals from GW
>GW steals from Blizzard
now Blizzard just has to steal from GW again and the cycle will renew itself.

>>54467177
"Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy."

>>54467177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWPNmgfakAg

>>54467237
yep, not-psychic hood aside the position of the fistguns is the worst thing about gravid armour

potentially fixable, but it'll take some work to bend the feeds properly

>>54467315
>>54467353

Dreadnoughts with twin flamer fists were a thing in 1988.

>>54467695
That's why I said Blizzard stole from GW first, or rather, they were inspired by GW. I don't remember if Warcraft was originally supposed to be a WHFB game or if StarCraft was supposed to be a WH40k game.

>>54467746
That's a myth, neither are true. Warcraft was just heavily inspired by WHF, but it was never supposed to actually be a WH game.

>>54467762
Alright, I could never tell, I heard it a lot but I never found anything confirming it.

>>54467746
Both.
And Diablo is clearly also inspired by WHFB as well.
It's alright, though. In about ten years, when Blizzard needs to go back to the well Yet Again, they'll probably steal whatever mutant creations GW has that descend from Steampunk Balloon Mustache-Firing Dwarves, and Space Marine Scouts made out of Reaper and Soldier 76; then, a few years after that, GW will steal it back, and the cycle will continue.

>>54467479
If I get any I'll probably just end up giving them terminator arms with a bit of converting to fit the proportions better.

>>54467809
>Both.
>And Diablo is clearly also inspired by WHFB as well.
You are so ignorant, you don't even have any idea how ignorant you are.

>>54467894
why ?

>>54467177
Heh. Bone.

>>54467177

Slammin'

>>54468055
Because Diablo wasn't even a Blizzard game. It was developed by a completely different company called Condor which, just a few months before the game was released, was bought out by Davidson & Associates and renamed Blizzard North.

Furthermore, the notion that Warcraft was ever going to be a Warhammer game has never been supported by anything other than idiots like you repeating lies you heard from other idiots or, even better, from bitter GW employees. It's been reported by people that were actually involved in the game's development that Allen Adham was literally the only person that wanted to make a Warhammer game and he was overruled by the entire rest of the studio.

>>54468325
i wasnt the anon you talked to before, i just wanted an explanation, thank you for gibing me one

>>54467809
I don't see how Diablo is inspired by Warhammer in the slightest. It might share some common inspiration sources, though, since Warhammer ripped off everything in the 80's.

>>54467177
"How do you want your Tyranid? Original or Extra-Crispy?"

>>54467177
Fire it up.

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For the Emperor!

>>54467207
SoB players are the new Ork players
"B-but can I put a Waugh nun in there?"

>>54467177
Just rating those flames 90 degrees and recessing them slightly would make that look so much better

This is similar to what happened with vulkan, just a normal flamer slapped on the side which looks stupid

>>54467353
Their passive aggressive warfare has resulted in a win for me so fuck it.

>>54471304
Right? When I first heard the rumors of gravis dudes with dual flamers, firebats are the first thing that I thought of.

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>>54467177
>We StarCraft now
Tyranid Queen of Blades when?

>>54468325
They are correct in that warcraft is taken from wargammer but not in the urban legend that keeps getting passed around. Metzen and co are just really into metal and fantasy so took inspiration from everywhere.

>>54471409
Am I the only person who would welcome this?

I love Nids but with no personality they are difficult to put a story behind them.

>>54471409
Isnt the lore implying orks and tyranids are merging.
We could very well get our magical ork queen.

>>54468325

Blizzard Irvine a shit

>>54471429
Agreed, some Avatar of the Hive Mind would be a good addition

>>54471304
That looks awful, I never thought there would be someone with shittier design than GW.

>>54469042
Warhammer Quest used to be big.

>>54467177
I need to see this as a Salamander

>>54471449
This would make me quit 40k.
Or embrace it, sell my IG and buy a tyranid waagh army, depending on the day.

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>>54471553
>Tyranid Queen of Blades when?
B-but anon-kun, we already have an avatar, don't w-we?
...I-i can be sexy too, anon...
...why doesn't anyone like me...

>>54471663
You don't have anything to worry about, >>54471449 is just an idiot. The ork/tyranid stalemate just means that they're each getting bigger and badder the longer it drags on. Eventually, one or the other will get the upper hand and then the Imperium is fucked.

>>54467746
Andy Chambers

>>54471710
>xonosfags think they will ever amount to anything but jobbing to the Imperium
Plz
(but srsly, I love that idea, would finally make my nids relevant in the lore again

>>54471710
>calls an anon an idiot because he doesnt like current lore
Fuck off you autistic retard

>>54471744
>Isnt the lore implying orks and tyranids are merging.
Different anon here.
But seriously, where the fuck did you read that orks and tyranids are merging.

>>54471710
>Eventually, one or the other will get the upper hand and then the Imperium is fucked.
Or Guilliman flies in with his super special fleet that's been upgraded to withstand both Ork and Tyranid defences by Cawl ex Machina, drops a Cawl pattern extra-exterminatus bomb, wiping out all Orks and Nids on the planet so hard that both species forget anything they learned from the constant warfare, allowing the Imperium to remain dominant.

>>54471761
There is a numerous references to it now such as genestealer orks and genestealer gargants.
And its just... lore that tyranids assimilate those they are fighting.

Remember kids just because you knee jerk you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't true.

>>54471787
genestealer cults in the orks are older than you are

>>54471809
I'm referring to current lore you stupid kid. Why are you such an idiot?

>>54471809
Then you don't have a problem with orks and tyranids merging because the current lore makes it clear its happening idiot.

>>54471847
>[citation needed]

>>54471872
>Dark Imperium

>>54471882
Alright, asshole, I've got my copy right here. Give me a page number and I will explain how you fail at reading comprehension.

>>54471909
Anon i think you are mistaken. You are the asshole. I'm done with your autism.

>>54471909
p257, 2nd paragraph, 3rd sentence.

>>54471689
Because it still has no character

>>54467237
>Now if only they could have made it so the flamers didn't look like they were haphazardly bolted on without any thought put into it.

Slow down anon, this is still imperial technology

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>>54471882
nice page number[s] senpai

>>54471977
>>54471935

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So I take it Aggressors are more offense focused where Terminators are defense focused, yes?

>>54471414

I'd like to see ANY evidence that Warcraft has even a shred of inspiration from Warhammer, desu. "Dude they have orcs and guys with swords xD" So did Lord of the Rings, which Warhammer itself is a copy-paste of.

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>>54471935
>p257, 2nd paragraph, 3rd sentence.

>'The time of your redemption is at hand,' said Mortarion. 'The sevenfold way opens. The seven campaigns of this invasion bear fruit ready to rot. Roboute Guilliman has returned to Ultramar.'
>Ku'gath gave a sly look of delight, almost a smile. Typhus laughed.
>'You are foolish, my lord father, if you think this will end well,' said the first captain. 'We should have finished his realm while he was absent.'
>'Typhus, Typhus,' said Mortarion. 'So long you have lived, and so little you have learnt. What use is the destruction of a kingdom without the death of a king?'
>'A king without a kingdom is no king, but a vagabond. His suffering would have been pleasant meat to savour,' said Typhus. 'You court disaster in confronting him. This employment of the Hand of Darkness is convoluted and foolhardy. Simplicity was the watchword of our Legion - the direct attack, the weathering of pain, not this deviousness. This was not the plan of the Great Father.'

>>54472053
And just in case you want to be cheeky, the core rulebook:

>Planetstrike
>Planetfall

>Invading forces orbit above, raining fire upon the foe, their landing parties inbound to take for themselves any fortresses still standing. The defender must weather the storm and repel the enemy, no matter the cost. The attacker must not rest until the world is theirs.

>The Armies
>The players should first choose who is the Attacker and who is the Defender, then each selects a Battle-forged army. The Power Level of the Attacker's army should be greater than that of the Defender's.

>>54472043
Green, square jawed, somewhat dimwitted orcs. That's about it.

>>54472053
>>54472125
I just jumped in to shitpost, sorry anon.

>>54471919
>called out for being a bitch
>runs away like a bitch
Sounds about right.

>>54467387
terrans are the best scifi humans desu.

Are these the new Terminators?

>>54467809
>Steampunk Balloon Mustache-Firing Dwarves,
but they already made gnomes.

>>54467177
I unironically like this, but still wish they hadn't given them symmetrical weapon loadouts.

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I see you like to bolt flamers to your arms.
I too like to bolt flamers to my arms

>>54472032
aggressors are more shooty than termies.

>>54472266
>implying legend of the galactic heroes isn't best humanity
You have one of the shitest taste I have ever read

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>>54472730
this

>>54467177

>Let's buuurn...

I'm honestly considering poaching one for a Kill Team, now. A Firebat would make a great addition to the team.

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>>54471409
>>We StarCraft now

>>54472032
>>54472324

Aggressors are a few steps shy of a straight up upgrade to termies.

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>>54473827

>>54474142
I mean, it's not a bad look (I've always felt that a piece of transparent plastic would fit well over terminators' heads like in the shoop)-it's just too practical and bland for 40K...

>>54471414
Yeah it's just better to say that GW and Blizz were taking from the same sources. Moorcock, Tolkien, and D&D.

>>54471339
Only way they're getting new models.

>>54471787
>There is a numerous references to it now such as genestealer orks and genestealer gargants.
>And its just... lore that tyranids assimilate those they are fighting.
Ork guy here.

You do realize the bugboyz (genestealer orks) actually fight for Gork n' Mork and NOT the nids, right?

Call of the WAAAGH! > the Hivemind when greenstealers/bugboyz are involved.
They're not merging, you just fail at reading comprehension.
>>54471710
>Eventually, one or the other will get the upper hand and then the Imperium is fucked.
Given that Hive Fleet Leviathan is more or less dying off at this point and the only major remaining tendrils are in Octarius (that aren't being cannibalized by Hive Fleet Hydra), the war of attrition currently favors the Orks.

>>54467177

You've got my attention.

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>>54473218

>>54474656
You realise gw is older than blizz right?

>>54474965
So what?

>>54474992
You are implying blizz didn't use warhammer as an inspiration there lad.

>>54475040

WHFB ripped off WoW. Orcs are only green because they drank demon blood.

Are people forgetting that Starcraft was supposed to be the first Dawn of War game? Sweet jesus

>>54471429
>I love Nids but with no personality they are difficult to put a story behind them.
No no no don't give them ideas, fuck off

>>54467207

Honestly, it would have been a pretty damn good idea for a SOB unit. Not using the exact same weapons as other units while still keeping in theme.

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>>54475194
Unless you mean WoW ripped of WHFB.

>>54467177
why is every weapon bolted to a fist now?
why do they all have psychic hoods?

>>54471339
Now I'm just imagining an Ork who is inexplicably a a member of a Coven of SoBs
>"While we admire Sister Gittoasters conviction, her methods are a bit...unconventional"

>>54476055

I'm pretty sure an ork would love an evicerator with an exterminator attachment. It's a super choppy sword with dakka.

>>54476101
Indeed!

I'll be honest, I just through an Ork crammed into a suit of SoB power armour with a mop on his head called Sista Gittoasta would be funny

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>>54467177
No thank you, got my own, prifaggit.

>>54472043
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/07/how-warcraft-was-almost-a-warhammer-game-and-how-that-saved-wow/
Literally first result on google.

>>54471553
>avatar of the hive mind
Nigger every single tyranid organism IS the hivemind. That's the point, there is no central bug, no queen controlling all. The closest you could get is norn-queens but even those are just psychic nodes to help spread the field out, as well as being tyranid factories.
Having an "avatar of the hive mind" would completely destroy that idea.

>>54476195

More Nid special characters would be nice but you need justification for why they are unique. Genetic aberrations the Hive Fleets have failed to successfully replicate again or ones that have been part of something that left them changed.

>>54471429
No, but you're one of the few.
As a Tyranid fan please fuck off and stay away from them forever.

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>>54471553
Some kind of named character Magus?

>>54476195
You have Dominatrix

>>54467177
They look marginally more respectable without that silly missile launcher. Now if we could only fix the fists. Hmm didn't deathwatch termies have flamer fists that didn't look like complete cock?

>>54476221
Its hard to have a named character of something that always gets nomed by tyranids and never becomes more than a local legend.

What if the Tyranids had a Kerrigan style character?

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>>54476221
>>54471409
Welp there's always me.

>>54467353
>>Blizzard steals from GW
You cannot steal from the dead (I talking about green orcs)

>>54476225
Which is... The "female" equivalent of a hive tyrant. Which itself is just a smarter fighty bug that also spreads the psychic field around, acting as commanders. A and a dominatrix is just that, except titan-sized.
Again, the tyranids do not have queens ir centeal bugs who "control" the lesser ones. To be a tyranid means that you are the single cell of a super organism that is the hivemind. Does your body have a single super cell that controls the rest of you and tells the billions of other cells what to do?

>>54476331
you actually can

>>54476309
just no

>>54476351
>Tyranid Queen of Blades when?
Name one thing what Blizzard stole from GW except green orcs (who doesn't exist in actual Warhammer universes)

>>54476309
What if someone came over and destroyed your favorite faction because "m-muh special characters"?

>>54467479
>yep, not-psychic hood aside

It's not a psychic hood. It's a reference to Starcraft armor.

Starcraft stole Marines from 40k, and now 40k is stealing them back. The circle is complete!

>>54476372

They did that with SOB. Except it was 'm-muh special characters' and took one of the few remaining ones to hand to the Grey Knights.

>>54476372
That would be cool

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>>54476383
>Starcraft stole Marines from 40k
Coolstory

>>54476371
Zerg were stolen Tyrannids. Marines were stolen Marines. Protoss were stolen Eldar.

Ork/tyranids or Orkids would be pretty rad. Like the Xelnaga plan in Starcraft.

I find it sad how no one talks aboit the fact the big plot thing at the end of starcraft 2 is Kerrigan becomes an Avatar of Khaine. That was funny as hell and nostalgic for old 40k games.

>>54476396
>Protoss were stolen Eldar.

Aside from 'ancient psychic race' they have nothing in common.

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>>54476396
>Zerg were stolen Tyrannids.
Now go and goodle how tyranids warriors looked before starcraft.
>Marines were stolen Marines
Before SC marines were normal-size humans, and looked more like stormtroopers. Bulky design happenned after Starcraft

>>54476501
>Now go and goodle how tyranids warriors looked before starcraft.
why do people claim the crest was a starcraft influence when it's an obvious xenomorph queen one?
it doesn't even look like the crest that the zerg had at the time

>>54476119
Lutherniel made a pic exactly like that.

>>54471619
Dungeon crawling also used to be big.

>>54475428
Nobody's forgetting that because it's not true and never happened.

>>54476137
That's a clickbait Kotaku headline. If you actually read the article, it's a repost of an earlier retrospective written by WarCraft: Orcs & Humans producer Patrick Wyatt, where he says:

>Allen Adham hoped to obtain a license to the Warhammer universe to try to increase sales by brand recognition. Warhammer was a huge inspiration for the art-style of Warcraft, but a combination of factors, including a lack of traction on business terms and a fervent desire on the part of virtually everyone else on the development team (myself included) to control our own universe nixed any potential for a deal. We had already had terrible experiences working with DC Comics on "Death and Return of Superman" and "Justice League Task Force", and wanted no similar issues for our new game.

Which means that WarCraft was almost a Warhammer game in the same way that the sky is almost green.

But good job showing us you can't read.

>>54477526
I did read it, it says that warcraft was going to be a warhammer game, It also says that warcraft was heavily influenced by warhammer. are you illiterate?

>>54476501
>Before SC marines were normal-size humans, and looked more like stormtroopers. Bulky design happenned after Starcraft
Nope, starcraft came out in '98, metals of the aquila pattern armor came out as early as '93.

>>54477526
>Warhammer was a huge inspiration for the art-style of Warcraft
How can a person posess two eyes a brain and soul and NOT read that as warcraft was taken from warhammer.
Dumb autist scum.

>>54477560
>One person wants it to be a Warhammer game
>Nobody else does and for a number of excellent reasons including not getting jerked around by licensing again
>It was totally going to be a Warhammer game

>>54477658
>and soul
slavs don't have souls

>>54476195
Hey, the gave avatars/heros to those faceless legion necrons, just give it time. How else are they gonna sell single fucking figures for £30 a pop?

>>54471710
>and then the Imperium is fucked.
but then some daemons will appear and kill all the tyranids/orks off screen :^)

>>54476296

Ackshually it's a grenade launcher.

>>54471429
They are supposed to be horrific, faceless hordes. Not having characters sets the Tyranids apart from the other races, with their fucking bland edgelord snowflake overpriced overpowered supermegakillaherotwats.

>>54471429

I bet you're the same guy who thought the Borg Queen in Star Trek was a good idea.

>>54467809
Starcraft was to be a Star Wars license thing I think.
Can't remember, just google that shit, I could be wrong.

>>54478250

thats a lot of buzzwords anon, besides the tyranids already have the swarmlord as their only special character, he's the only tyranid capable of self reflection and I'm pretty sure he's ment to be the original tyranid

>>54474956

>Rogue attacking Warrior, c.2005 (digital)

>>54474956
nice. i love that scene.

>tfw when reaper and seraphim
>>54471409
infinity

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>>54478913
>infinity

i give up

>>54476055
It's been done, including art, but I don't have it saved.

>>54471339
SoB players are LITERAL sissy cuckolds.
>massa GW massa GW can I hafta update please massa???
>No cuck slave keep eating my rotting shit from the toilet bowl I want it clean for next edition
>THANKS MASTER YOUR SHIT TASTES SO GREEAT!!!!!!

>>54471429
Go back to find fucking Blizzard!

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>>54467177
But can I get it in NASA white...

>>54478496
And there are a lot of tyranid fans out there who dislike the swarmlord as a result. Myself I like to imagine the swarmlord as just a specific build of a hive tyrant any hive fleet can call on and shit out of their birthing pods at any time should they deem it necessary. With there being other similar builds around as well that get mistaken for it.
It's even how hive tyrants work in the first place. They all preserve memories of previous battles and can be birthed again. The swarmlord simply being a particularly resource-demanding and old variant. Which us why he rarely gets deployed.
Him being "the original tyranid" is obscenely stupid.

>>54475040
No, I'm implying that Warcraft has little to take from Warhammer.

>>54471946
Demanding "character" is how you end up with garbage like newcrons.
If you want character so much, play an RPG.

>>54476195
Fair enough, if part of the draw of the army is that it doesn't have special characters then more power to you. It fits with 40k that they wouldn't because for them to have a special character that was, for example, capable of communicating with the outside universe in a way other than inarticulate screeching would effectively humanize them to a degree. As of now, they are basically a virus that has come to consume the galaxy, and thats part of their horror factor.

I get why you wouldn't want special characters, but it means that 'Nids will always be NPC in everyone else's mind and keep its player base relatively small. I suppose thats some of their charm, in a way, that if you are a 'Nid player in your group, you may be the only one.

>>54481170
Nid player base being small (i don't believe you on this) has to do with the fact that they have been garbage for a decade and have steep barrier to entry due to model count or magnetization hassle.

No one in their fucking right minds play an army just because people talk in there.

>>54481256
To be fair, I only haven't seen that many Nid players locally.

I'm not saying that people play a certain army because the characters 'talk'. I am saying that some people chose to play a faction for the lore and 'narrative' behind the army, which is harder to develop for an army with no (good) special characters to drive their storyline.

>>54474925
>Given that Hive Fleet Leviathan is more or less dying off at this point and the only major remaining tendrils are in Octarius (that aren't being cannibalized by Hive Fleet Hydra), the war of attrition currently favors the Orks.

That's quitte wild say anon, the Tyrannids ability to eat everything, including their own dead mean you must destroy the bodies to prevent them from sustaining reall loss ( no the thousands gaunt definitly loss because they exploded are not signifiant ) and since they also eat everything else...
Honestly this fight will probably play itself on
1-Does the Hive Mind snap it and decide to trully deploy the Swarmlord to solve the problem (they have been rumors he is already here, but nothing confirmed)
2-Does Ghazghkull show up or does a Warboss emerge

>>54476392
>he doesnt know

Anon, I...

>>54476048
Less librarians have been decapitated than the brimless and hoodless Marines.

>>54481559
You don't see many nid players in one meta but every meta has one.

>>54481559
It's a setting. Narrative doesn't need to develop behind any singular character. If narrative is the only thing keeping the playerbase, it's a bad army.

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>>54467177
It's about to get heavy.

>>54467353
>Implying Doomdist isn't a Nob

>>54482571
I don't disgree that the army might be uncompetitive if the only thing holding people in it is the narrative, and I also agree that you don't need a singular character to development a story, but having a few certainly helps.

Some people get into the game because they like the lore and playing out stories, some do it for competition, and some do it because they enjoy the mechanics of a certain army over another, and no reason is any less valid for buying plastic dudesmen. Sorry if I kicked off your reflex tyranid defense mechanisms.

I'm legit starting to see Primaris as just cobbled-together via plagiarism. SC2 designs, taking shit from another one of their own factions (Tau) and trying to pass it off as original.

My friend's defending the borderline plagiarised Primaris designs saying other forms of media have done the "powered suit with flamethrower hands" for the NotFirebat and the "powered suit with jetpack dual-pistol-wielding shock troopers" for the Inceptors/NotReapers.

He said even HALO games have suits that can fly. And he says Blizz ripped off GW not the other way 'round (Like how nids changed to look like zerg after SC1 was released..)

>>54477526
You have to be 18, to be on 4chan.

>>54482775
what about the reivers(c)?

>>54467177
double powerfists look like ass and defeat the purpose of attempting a good scaled marine

tacticus>reivers>>>>centurions>>gravid

>>54483150
What were they copied from?

>>54483269
yes?

I mean night lords are obvious influences, but in this case we could look for further stuff stolen from traitor legions

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>>54481014
Newcrons are awesome.

>>54482775
Yeah, they copied the space marine armor too!

>>54472032

The old range is dead, this stuff isn't designed to compliment terminators but replace them.

>>54483226
Double fist isn't bad but it's the issue where the gun gets in the way of punching.

>>54483097
Then what are you doing here?

>>54483738
You have no taste.

>>54483807
the gravis suit or whatever it's called is probably meant to compliment termies in chapters that can field them. Chapters that can't afford to field their miniscule number of terminator suits likely will receive gravis suits as a cheaper alternative.

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40000 hours in ms paint

>>54467177
I dont get it

is there a height difference between primaris and normal space marines?

>>54467177

Will anyone play them with this load out though?

>>54484150
... trolling or ignorant?

>>54484244
Uh yes?
Pack a crew of them in a Repulsor.

Or sneak em in with RG tactics

>>54484276

But why? When they easily out do with the other setup. Sure the models looks better, but I just dont see them having a place in the army.

>>54467177
Is that a refractor field generator on his chest?

>>54484350
That many automatic hits is no joke. Being able to advance and put out that kind of damage is pretty potent.

>>54471409
Actually... the hive mind is hard at work... she's coming...

>>54483028
He's right.

>>54484090
Nice

>>54484490

While I can totally see the 7 hits (average on 2d6) per model a threat, its still only range 8" (if I remember correctly). This means they get to fire once before a charge. The other setup, while not auto-hitting, can dish out 6+3.5 (average 1d6) will result in a good 6+ hits/turn for each model anyway! And having a 18" range gives them plenty of time to dish out the hurt before pummeling in to CC to use the fist.

And that's not all, as they all get to fire twice a turn, so you can double that to around 12+ hits/model/turn at 18" range. They just seem like so darn good with the other setup!

The only thing I really can see with the flame setup is the fun of having cooler looking models on the board. Hell, if the Primaris captain that came in the starter box could swap his glove out to something similar (with a buff aura of course), it would totally change the picture. But as it stands, he only helps the other setup as well (with re-rolls to hit of 1´s).

>>54483028
Sounds like your bias-boner is already firm. Your friend is correct. You're just a douche. Go play Warmafags.

>>54484882
You're already settled on it. No point in debate.

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>>54476396
Blizzard stole Marines and Tyranids from the same thing GW did, Starship Troopers.

>>54478218
Broodlord $40
Biovore $41.25
Pyrovore $37.25
Lictor $24.75
Deathleaper $24.75
They're doing a good job on that front already, and that's not including the big bugs they just love to make more and more of.

>>54485375
Did the guy who made that pic not get that it would've been Relic/THQ marketing who made that image not GW?

>>54484882
Why not 2x flamers and then the missile launcher pack?

>>54485656
It's anti-GW propaganda, facts don't matter.

>>54476396
Raveners are clear hydralisk rip-offs.
But Blizzard ripped off the general look of the space marines and things like drop pods.

>>54485669
Not a legal loadout.

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>mfw I realize that Primaris models were made to basically create taller space marines from 2.1 meters to around 2.5 on average, with chapter masters around 3 meters and primarhs between 3.5 and 5 meters

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DEldar Alarak when?

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>>54477615
Much earlier, actually. You'll see proto-aquila pattern suits in the various rogue trader lead figures, and all the infantry in Space Marine (1989) are sporting mk7. (this is also when they made the various "proper" armour marks, 1 through 8).

I don't think he cares much about the etymology of GW's space men, though.

>>54485934
Exactly. Space Marines behave like Orks now. Bigger = Higher Ranked.

>>54486561
Clearly this is due to the rise of Mr. Mag Uruk Thrakka, and the subsequent forcing yet another part of the Orkish psyche on the galaxy at large.
Red goes fast. Green is best. The weird ones are kept separate but used in battle anyways. Constant war. Eldar are pansies. And now, the largest are in charge.

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>>54476501
>Before SC marines were normal-size humans,
Codex Angels of Death circa 1996. Two years before SC.

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>>54486761
Another example.

>orkz behave like space marines in the beast series
>space marines behave like orkz in the dark imperium

>>54486903
Why was that green texted?

>>54471787
this guy >>54474925
But also, about bugboyz:
Most of the time they exist in secret because orks can detect there's something "wrong" with them and will kill them outright when found. It's not like human genestealer hybrids who can pass for normal and sneak around.

They do show up sometimes, however, because some ork warbosses don't give a shit / are desperate enough to take whatever troops they can get.

Either way, ork psychic field overwrites the tyranid one in this case.

>>54471429
They don't have a story behind them. That's the point. That's the appeal.

If you wanted special character tyranids, first of all, you don't understand what the hivemind is, second of all, they're called necron dynasties.

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>>54476055
>>54476101
>>54476119
>>54476631
>>54479097

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>>54478471
>Starcraft was to be a Star Wars license thing I think.

>>54481559
>I only haven't seen that many Nid players locally.
Because tyranid collectors use their secondary armies to play games with.
Just because my army is garbage on the field doesn't mean I don't have them collecting dust on a shelf.

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>>54471449
>This thing.

>With tits.

.................................................................................................................................................................Why?

>>54481642
You're looking at this from a human perspective and human goals. Tyranids want to eat. Orks want to fight. The stalemate doesn't happen because there's no great tactical commanders in play. The stalemate happens because both armies are halfassing it to keep it going.

>does the hive mind snap and deploy the swarmlord
That hurt me to read. Why, why the fuck would the hivemind "snap" at one planet full of orks? The tyranids are a disease. More tyranid ships will just get pulled towards the planet until
A. the tyranids win
B. there are no tyranids left to transmit the "come here" signal

Also, the swarmlord is a random ass hive tyrant. It doesn't need to show up for anything to happen.

>>54481642
>2-Does Ghazghkull show up or does a Warboss emerge
You know there's a lot of warbosses, right? And Ghaz being the most famous doesn't make him the best or even most powerful necessarily? A warboss could emerge, or there's probably already a dozen hanging out enjoying the infinite "death squigs" planet. They have no reason to want the battle to end. If anything, it'll be like Armageddon, where orks go there on purpose to fuck around forever.

>>54485748
>Blizzard ripped off the general look of the space marines and things like drop pods.
From the space marines in starship troopers that fight giant alien bugs?
Yeah, that's obvious.

>>54471396
>Their passive aggressive warfare has resulted in a win for me so fuck it.
Blizzard a shit.

>>54467177
I sell propane.

And propane accessories.

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>>54487873

Why NOT

>>54477526
>he believes Blizzard have any shred of originality
You must believe that waifu fortress must be a new and original form of shooter

>>54484425
Looks more like a rozarius desu, but it will not have any effect in game probably.

How hard would these be to convert such that both flamers are on the same hand?

>>54487901

swarmy isn't a random ass tyrant, he's a tyrant+1, its like calling calgar a chapter master.

besides swarmy has demonstrated the ability to turn a losing fight around multiple times, it could probably cobble something togeth

I just want to read a greentext about the swarmlord and ghazkull beating the shit out eachother, then the blood crusade arriving and them taking time off from beating the shit out of eachother to beat the shit out of a bloodthirster before returning to murdering eachother

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>>54487958
Try again kiddo this is what mobile infantry looked like before the animated series and the other movies from 2000 onwards, it's obvious that Blizzard ripped off gw just like how they reskined team fortress with Jap waifus

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>>54490136
Well, here's the most definite cover of Starship Troopers the novel, and it shows a guy in power armor with a skull-grill sorta face...

Let's be honest though, the MI are way more on-the-bounce than Spess Mehreens and would win in a squad encounter, or company v company.

>>54490136
>this is what mobile infantry looked like in that one anime adaptation from 1988

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>>54490195
This is the best cover for Starship Troopers though.

>>54490230
>One anime adaption.

It was designed by Naoyuki Kato for a '77 edition release of the book and has been used for every new edition and side merchandise since.

>>54490195

yeah, because they're all packing nukes and jetpacks and heavy weapons

they're basically an army of crisis suits

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>>54490308
In Japan that is.

And it is unironically the best design that has been made of Mobile Infantry armour. It's accurate to Heinlein's description and looks perfect. It covers all the features he listed. There's nothing wrong with it at all.

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>>54490359
>>54490308
Also the Japanese publisher gets a special commendation for me for publishing stuff that resembles what happens in the book on the cover. Unlike my copy which has a random sci-fi moon base on it.

This Polish publisher takes the number 2 slot though.

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>>54490308
>It was designed by Naoyuki Kato for a '77 edition release of the book and has been used for every new edition and side merchandise since.
Well, that's not true because my copy is a mid-90s printing and it uses >>54490195's James Warhola painting.

>>54490195
>>54490230
Even then SC Marines seems to copy more of the GW space marine aesthetic than from the starship troopers depiction since ST power armours are more form fitting and less bulky unlike GW and SC.

>>54490444
Sorry, I meant in Japan, made another post with it here >>54490359.

The point is that it predated the OVA by a decade.

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>>54490359
>>54490390
Also the OVA design is a bit different from Kato's design.

>>54487873
You mean titsquigs, right?

>>54467177

The Centurion is looking great since it went on a diet.

>>54467237
The most practical placement would have been under the forearm tucked back just enough to not interfere with the power fist whilst using it.

This being a tabletop game, they wanted it to be easily visible from the front profile, thus practicality and thought going into the design take a backseat to "hey look, flame-punch fire-fists"

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>>54474142
Reapers don't have the dome helmets though.

Do people seriously think the Starcraft 1 marines look like Space Marines? They're basically just an up-armored space suit.

>>54485738
It's not exactly propaganda. It was a response to GW trying to claim ownership of the term Space Marine by having amazon remove a book that included it in the title.

>>54481014
yeah, because who wants a faction with personality or more than literally 1 interesting thing about them?

>>54481695
they didn't, though, they were both inspired by things like Starship Troopers. Think about it -- literally the only similarity between Starcraft and 40k space marines is that they *are* power-armored space marines.

>>54492011
Not that guy, but I'd say 40k was a probable influence, but 40k has been an influence on most sci-fi gaming since its inception.

>>54492011
And the idea that they were reconditioned criminals

>>54492064
Which space marine chapter does that? Most of them recruit from feudal and feral worlds. Penal soldiers aren't really a specifically 40k thing, they appear in the real world actually.

>>54492118
all the ones that recruit from hive cities

>>54492138
Mostly pick up gangers rather than actual convicts if I recall.

Regardless, penal battalions date back to the Napoleonic era. GW does not get to claim ownership of that concept.

Don't play muhreens, are centurions even a thing in 8e or has GW tried to sweep them under the rug in light of all the primaris variants?

>>54492179
I just think the concept of 'brainwashing criminals into space marines' is unique enough to Rogue Trader that I cant see it Blizzard taking that idea for their own marines, specially knowing that most of them knew and played Warhammer Fantasy and probably played or at least knew about Rogue Trader.

>>54467177
Godamn I am getting pretty fucking sick of these poses in all the new Space Marines, legs akimbo, arms uselessly held by their sides, do something dynamic you fucks.

>>54492381
Starcraft marines aren't brainwashed though. They have aggression inhibitors, which are just sci-fi restraints.

>>54467353
Well supposedly the rumor goes that Warcraft Orcs and Humans was meant to be a licensed Warhammerr game but there was some problems.

Either way Blizzard owes existence to GW, and now GW has stopped themselves collapsing by stealing from blizzard, ie. Stormcast Faggoternals.

>>54492347
I hope they are gone. Most of the things like them created at the time were poorly designed.

>>54492424
>Either way Blizzard owes existence to GW,

In what way?

>>54492424
>Well supposedly the rumor goes that Warcraft Orcs and Humans was meant to be a licensed Warhammerr game but there was some problems.

It was never meant to be a WH game, in the beginning someone had the idea that they could get the licence but the entire office rejected it because they never wanted to do another licenced game after doing the superman/justice league games for the SNES.

>>54491882
It's probably because of the oversized proportions and the shoulders looks like Marines pauldrons, for example fallout suits are boxy and square and even though the new ones from fallout 4 makes them bigger they are their own thing, just like halo looks like it's own thing, with the Warcraft and StarCraft rumours the similarities are undeniable.

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>>54492491
But even the pauldrons don't look similar except in being somewhat large.

I honestly think it's just fanboy asshurt from back in the day when everyone thought GW was dying.

>similarities

They're heavily armored space soldiers called marines.

>rumours

Unsubstantiated claptrap from fanboys.

>>54476048
>Why fists
Because they want to throw lots of weapons on and yet not look like the marine is juggling a bunch of trash.

>>54468264
Fucking needed that. Though that immediately and had to see if someone else was gonna beat me to it.

>>54471429
>Difficult to put a story behind them

They don't need one and it's faggots like you that gave us the newcrons, which just fucked the necrons for their fanbase. Play orks if you want spam with character. Or imps. Leave my bugs alone.

>>54480830
>No, I'm implying that Warcraft has little to take from Warhammer.
>literally made their own orcs green
Sure thing pup

>>54492414
>Starcraft marines aren't brainwashed though.

Yes they are

>Neural resocialization is a rigorous process, devised by the Terran Confederacy, used to treat criminals suffering from mental disorders or at least prevent them from committing crimes and turning them into loyal soldiers. Some Dominion military personnel have even volunteered for the process (in an effort to avoid mental problems). Those who undergo the process often have a blissful look.

Now not all marines are criminals but the expendable majority of the Dominion's forces are resocialized criminals. The Reaper's fluff also alludes to this as they are individuals that require a more invasive and strong resoc process.

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>>54492657
I've got plans for making a Terran Primaris army.
These are some of the models I'm planning on converting

>>54492657
that's 100% a nod to the GDI Orca.

>>54492533
>But even the pauldrons don't look similar except in being somewhat large.
>I honestly think it's just fanboy asshurt from back in the day when everyone thought GW was dying.

>They're heavily armored space soldiers called marines
The problem is that the SC armor is too big for humans to wear as depicted in the game, GW Marines can get away with it because the lore mention they're over from and deformed super humans, like super mutants in fallout, if you try to convince someone that a normal human can wear SC 1 armor that's too much of a stretch, so other people will believe it's a copy because of the SC 1 Marines deformed design

>Unsubstantiated claptrap from fanboys.
Rumors aren't know for being accurate

>>54492649
Neat. Didn't know that. Regardless not unique to 40k either. Unless you're going to claim Orwell ripped off GW.

>>54492858
Implying he didn't.

>>54492632
>Game Workshop invented orcs
>Game Workshop invented colors
>Game Workshop invented GREEN orcs
Woah

>>54492858
>>54492649
Also, do note, nobody denies an influence from 40k (except perhaps as a backlash to fanboys) just that Blizzard ripped off 40k. Which is laughable since GW had the single least original writing staff to exist.\

>Hey you know that setting of ours that's basically Medieval Germany mashed up with Moorock and Tolkien? Let's rip off the biblical fall of Satan, make it a central setting piece and jam it together with this setting, while they fight space ww1 with tommies, Sardaukar, football hooligans, the terminators, the xenomorphs and elves.

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>>54492683
>>54492657
Found another conversion idea

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>>54492683
>implying that dreadnought design doesn't go all the way to the end of the 80's
>implying it wasn't Blizzard the one that copied 40kek
Blizzard isn't know for originality anon, fucking newfags doesn't even know about space crusade dreadnoughts

>>54492961
dude wtf are you talking about, I'm not even saying they stole it, im saying i plan on converting a derdeo into a Goliath for a 40k army.

Honestly excited to do it as it seems really fun. I don't give a shit about you other fuckers arguing over who stole from who.

>>54492947
Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass

>>54492947
For this it'll be easier and cheaper to use the tau barracudas

>>54493022
Not really, both are equipped with lasers, and missiles. Just flip the wings, attach the main part of a storm talon's tail to the bottom, cut the nose off, attach the wepons to the wings, and you should be ok
>>54493068
I'm talking rules wise and model wise, I have a bunch of extra bits from the Fire Raptor kit that I can use. So it wouldn't be too difficult.

>>54492961
those mechs strongly remind me of Starseige.

>>54492439
Giving them the inspiration for their two most successful games.

>>54493182
Except, they didn't. The concepts used in both are so generic that GW doesn't deserve one iota of credit.

The artistic design, programming, and actual legwork are all Blizzard.

While blizzard clearly stole all their ideas from GW, GW and all their properties are lawsuit the game: how far can we take copyright infringement before getting sued, the fanbase fighting simulator

While GW took it interestingly and made it their own crazy thing, Blizzard took it and kept it copying for several installments of each game, in addition they follow gws old business practices and ignore the fanbase to the point of neglect.

What it comes down to is no one has original ideas anymore and its really about execution of idea soup then originality

>>54467792
Warcraft is less WHFB, Starcraft is more 40k. The stealing is mostly actually the tyranids/ zerg though, space marines have been around longer than either company, even with drop-pods

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>>54493189
>this much denial
>Blizzard
>doing actual leg work
>not stealing others ideas and reskin them with waifus
Anon please

>>54493285
Don't forget the green orks

>>54475194
You got it backwards anon, WHFB came before Blizzard was even a company

>>54492947
Please, if GW stole that from anyone it's Battlestar Galatica.

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>>54475194
An amazing feat since warhammer fantasy orcs have been depicted bright green since before the 90's, pic related, warhammer fantasy 2ed circa 1984

>>54493448
Don't you get it anon? Blizzard invented the scifi genre, everything was created by them, also the zerg were the original design for the alien Queen and both alien franchise and GW copied Blizzard

>>54493342
Which fucking ideas? Name one, just one thing, in a Blizzard game that's a unique concept from GW. If I can point out an older, more generic source, shut the fuck up.

>inb4 green orcs

Green is a colour, they didn't invent Yves Klein green.

Orcs come from Tolkien.

>>54493499
You sound your typical GW fan.

>>54493609
>You sound your typical GW fan.
GW didn't copied blizzard you idiot, it copied aliens, pretending blizzard is somehow original is laughable.

>>54493448
dude, im not saying that they stole the idea, im literally saying im building a Terran Space marines army, and thats what im converting

>>54493665
Are you dumb enough to think anyone is seriously claiming that GW ripped off Blizzard (except possibly on Tyranid aesthetics)? I was commenting on the tendency of GW fans to think GW invented and owns the whole of sci-fi and fantasy.

>>54493703
>except possibly on Tyranid aesthetics
The Tyranid aesthetic come from aliens (alien Queen and xenomorphs), not blizzard, both of them copied aliens for their own space bugs

>>54493609
>Which fucking ideas? Name one, just one thing, in a Blizzard game that's a unique concept from GW
I'm not talking about GW, blizzard literally copied team fortress and realized the game with their fapbait characters

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>>54492961
>what is a ripped off design from robocop

>>54492961
Ah yes, look at those glorious living metal monsters, faceless terminators--- known as Chaos Androids.

Waiting any moment for FW to bring those back somehow.

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>>54493609
>Orcs come from Tolkien.
And warhammer orcs were a deliberate departure from the cunning and industrious orcs of Tolkien. Visually and thematically.

between warhammer and the lord of the rings, it's real fucking obvious whom the guys at blizzard took inspiration for their orcs from.

>>54493785
And Valve literally copied Id's groundwork in shooting games (at one point, they used to be called Doom clones).

>>54493808
We're wasting our time anon, blizzard fags and GW drones can't admit both settings ripped off every other setting

>>54493842
That's one thing but blizzard took even the different units in TF and reskin them, for crying out loud Mercy literally have medic healing gun anon!

>>54493895

She's got a part of the medic gun. She damage boosts, not grants invincibility. Medics also don't raise the dead or fly.

>>54493832
Yeah, GW stole a lot. Necrons were just the Terminator robots, Tyranids were just the Xenos from Aliens, Space Marines were incredibly generic before they turned into monks in space, etc.

The Orks as they exist in 40k are probably one of the most unique sci-fi races in the game if you can get away from the fact that they are called orks. The whole genetically engineered weapon race made of fungus using their own teeth as money and cobbling together tech that works because they believe it does is super unique.

>>54478978
It is insane how good that looks

>>54493971
>The Orks as they exist in 40k are probably one of the most unique sci-fi races
True that, getting renamed as something else will highly improve the orks uniqueness

>>54493686
Use the Valkyrie kit.

The Valkyrie has twin tails and the wings hunch down.

>>54493909
It's interesting because they gutted the characters and split them in the different characters

For example thorbjorn and bastion are both a gutted engineer with few changes to make them not literal copies

Just like Bernhard and the pink Russian heavy gal are heavy weapons guy

English speed waifu and weird Brazilian guy are scout

Only to name a few but the other characters are also gutted versions of the team fortress characters with a minimum change

Also Mexican hacker girl is best girl

>>54494173
And this is a problem why? Wholly original=/= good.

Overwatch has issues, but bitching about copying TF2 is fucking stupid.

At least Overwatch has every class/character played. TF2's struggling with it's 6s mode where good quarter of the roster never see the light of day

>>54492814
It actually works with Blizzard proportions, believe it or not. The wearers hands end in the wrists, which accounts for the super lanky arms. The blizzard anatomy is for everything else.

>>54494173
Who the fuck is Benhard?

>>54494173
>It's interesting because they gutted the characters and split them in the different characters

They also added a lot. I mean, the scout doesn't teleport or recall to heal himself and the medic can't fly or damage boost.

I'd also really, really dispute Zarya being Heavy Weapons Guy other than being Russian. She's a primarily up close fighter, as most projectile weapons ourrange her gun. It's basically a fast firing vidya shotgun.

>>54494303
Heavy is pretty short-ranged himself. The minigun only outranged the scouts shotgun for effective range.

That said he's still not really that close to Zarya. Zarya has a lot of utility to help her team out, Heavy is just a meatshield with a gun.

>>54494265
The weird guy with the hammer, I thought that was his name

>>54494247
I meant mostly the shoulders are way to high almost eye height that or they don't have necks

>>54493832
They don't borrow anything from GW's orcs except green.

>>54493971
>Space Marines were incredibly generic before they turned into monks in space, etc.

Even at that, the hardass elite soldiers of the god-emperor sums up the Sardaukar.

Fantasy orcs also weren't that back then.

>>54494602
>They don't borrow anything from GW's orcs except green.

That and being basically niggers ?

>>54492051
40k has only been an influence insofar as it stole shit from Aliens and Starship Troopers first, so anything copying either of those two is effectively copying 40k as well.

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>>54483955
>good taste means liking simple one-dimensional ideas because those are the ideas we had in The Past™

I'd ask you to leave but this is already the containment board for senile grognards.

>>54494646
Orks are chavs, mate.

>>54494538
Necks are very wide/short in blizzard art for some reason, so you aren't wrong.

Though the helmet rim also comes up to the chin, so that doesn't help.

>>54485669

Not a legal loadout, but it would have totally been a cool thing if they had at least something.


>>54485153

As I stated earlier, if the captain in the starter set had an option to swap his gun-gauntlet to a flame gauntlet, and also give a re-roll for all flamers hits, these guys could really be a viable option. But as it stands now its really just "rule of cool" vs efficiency on the board.

>>54495042
Yeah you're right, or slavs, they seem more smart than nogs

>>54492961
Anon, please. The Goliath's design comes from an entirely different game, and got "borrowed" for Starcraft to use.

Stop being a newfag yourself, and slap down some more chaos androids and screamer killers for a bro.

>>54474956
AtleastYouTried.jpg

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I can't find that old picture. Have a new one.

>>54495513
3rd edition Tyranids aren't actually particularly visually similar to zerg, the only thing they really have in common overall is blade like claws and also raveners which bear some resemblance to hydralisks (the 3rd edition ones actually looked less like hydralisks than the current ones).

Also your image is bad, it doesn't compare the same units across editions, and also uses the original plastic warrior sculpt rather than the actual 2nd edition one, so you're skipping a step in the design lineage. That carnifex is also an utterly ancient sculpt

If you actually want to compare tyranids across editions I suggest using units that changed a lot visually, but actually had their kits released during second edition and actually comparing them to their 3rd edition equivalents. I think good suggestions would be Hive Tyrants, Lictors, Tyranid warriors, Gargoyles and Hormagaunts.

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>>54495513
This is what I came up with comparing what zerg units actually looked like in SC1 using their rendered images that were printed in the manual with tyranid units from the two editions that straddled starcraft.

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>>54492657
Iron Eagles from Epic 40k.

>>54494958
>good taste means liking simple one-dimensional ideas because those are Nu Idéas™

>>54495925
Admittedly kind of half-assed mine.

You should slap on dates and that would be perfect.

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>>54495513
>>54495925

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>>54495968

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>>54495925
And here's mine too, cuz no life.

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/359035454/2977652201

>>54496460
>Cucked by tyranids on an issue that doesn't even make sense

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>>54493231

>>54496529
I would not put a lot of stock in what Gonzoman has to say about this. I don't doubt that his direction was to stay away from the current GW house style, but the stuff about cerebrates contradicts what other devs have said about why they were removed; it's the same reason that there's no more colonial magistrate or executor, they removed the silent protagonist in order to focus on the named characters with dialogue. All of then were handwaved away, but in order to justify the removal of the PC cerebrate, they had to remove all the other cerebrates, too. You'll notice that they didn't get rid of the Overmind, which reappears on a couple of occasions.