Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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first for Necrons got stomped in 8th edition!!!

Can someone sauce me where it says Konor week 1 is 500pts?

Does anyone have shroud of night?

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KONOR WILL FALL!!!

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Reminder to roll and paint. Thinking about doing a Chaos one, it would be substantially harder but still.

Anyone else hyped about normal marines finally getting lieutenants back? I just wish we had the updated stats on the primaris ones

>>54456719
In the same leaked shit where we got almost everything we know about Konor. They'll announce everything officially on Thursday. Why do you ask?

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>>54456705
>fuck you
>you may revive your entire army at any time for 1cp

>>54456719
I think it's up to the venue but most are starting low like an escalation type deal. I'd check your venues Facebook or event calandra in store.

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So I have a "friendly" 2k tourney tomorrow (we can't have duplicates of a unit outside of a transport/troop) and I was feeling lazy so I made this meme list

Say hello to the "Don't talk to me or my grotz again" lads

>>54456719
My store's skipping that slow build bullshit. We already did that for all of 8th so far and finally hit 2k this week.

By the way 1k and under suck dick. I havent played too many 1.5k but 2k is certainly what you should be playing. Around 1k you just don't have enough firepower or unit variety.

>>54456737
I happen to have a certain <500 Fortification piece I wouldnt mind using all campaign and was worried I might have to save it for later.

>>54456719
interesting, would make sense as it would lead to a crazy amount of participation as its very beginner friendly and they wanted week 1 to be about the SC! kits

>>54456740
D-do you have the other version of this gif?

>>54456750
the bike guy is a Big mek btw, everything else is WYSIWYG

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>>54456734
THE EMPOROR PROVIDES PAINT!

>>54456750
Poor Little Bike Boy

>>54456734
It'd be smaller for sure. The legions didn't split up too much after the Heresy and GW just doesn't give a shit enough to fluff up the ones that did. There's a lot of chapters and warbands in the fluff with no symbol or color scheme at all still like Skyrar's Dark Wolves.

>>54456705
I'd almost feel bad for them, if so many of them hadn't been cheese mongering faggot in the last edition.

I guess they got what they deserved?

>>54456740
I mean they already have "your entire unit can get rerollable 4+ to get back up as long as 1 model remains in the unit, this costs 0 points unlike everything else that creates models."

May as well have rez your entire army for 1cp since the codexes are looking to be strictly superior to the indexes.

It's open-play apparently. I'm amazingly tempted to bring my Leviathan Dreadnought for the first couple of battles at 500 points, just because of how stupid that will be to deal with.

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Ok /tg/ am i about to get my shit pushed in tomorrow? or will i make papa nurgle proud?

playing 2k points vs Thousand sons army..

+++ New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [101 PL, 1999pts] +++

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Questor Traitoris) [23 PL, 540pts] ++

+ Lord of War [23 PL, 540pts] +

Renegade Knight [23 PL, 540pts]: Heavy stubber [4pts]
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer [112pts]: Heavy flamer [17pts]
. Rapid-fire battle cannon and heavy stubber [104pts]: Heavy stubber [4pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [42 PL, 819pts] ++

+ HQ [21 PL, 384pts] +

Malignant Plaguecaster [6 PL, 110pts]: Gift of Contagion, Miasma of Pestilence, Smite

Malignant Plaguecaster [6 PL, 110pts]: Miasma of Pestilence, Plague Wind, Smite

Typhus [9 PL, 164pts]: Miasma of Pestilence, Plague Wind

+ Troops [21 PL, 435pts] +

Plague Marines [9 PL, 195pts]
. Plague Champion [56pts]: Combi-plasma [15pts], Plague knife, Power fist [20pts]
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon [34pts]: Plasma gun [13pts]
. 5x Plague Marines [105pts]

Poxwalkers [6 PL, 120pts]: 20x Poxwalker [120pts]

Poxwalkers [6 PL, 120pts]: 20x Poxwalker [120pts]

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [36 PL, 640pts] ++

+ HQ [6 PL, 124pts] +

Warpsmith [6 PL, 124pts]: Combi-plasma [15pts], Flamer [9pts], Meltagun [17pts], Nurgle, Power axe [5pts]

+ Heavy Support [30 PL, 516pts] +

Chaos Predator [10 PL, 172pts]: Twin lascannon [50pts]
. Two heavy bolters [20pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts]

Chaos Predator [10 PL, 172pts]: Twin lascannon [50pts]
. Two heavy bolters [20pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts]

Chaos Predator [10 PL, 172pts]: Twin lascannon [50pts]
. Two heavy bolters [20pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [20pts]

>>54456790
Except replenishing units never costs points. No matter the army.

>>54456812
What are Daemons? for $500
Alternatively, what is Chaos?

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>>54456734
do it.. chaos naos

lewd macha is lewd

>>54456790
Works the same points wise as other model healing like apothecaries and sisters hospitalier.

>>54456782
Exactly.
Some legions like the DG or the WE split into enough warbands to have their 10 slots filled in.

But the TS, BL, or NL? At most I'll find like 5 with a picture for each, probably fewer.

>>54456783

It's weird how under the radar Necron players are with their cheese. Guess they aren't popular enough to be scrutinized regularly

>>54456806
It can't both be Open Play and a points limit. Points are only used in Matched Play.

>>54456811
Figure out a way to fill in that last point don't wanna start off with the juju of you opponents holy number tainting you build!

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>>54456690
Should I continue using the ork conga line method to get all the buffs or will this be considered cheese? I got through all of 7th with a smile on my face so I feel entitled to piss some people off. Giving shoota boyz 5 attacks on the charge hitting on 2+ just feels...right.

With DE, do <kabal> or <wych cult> keywords matter too much? With the SC, the Archon's ability affects <kabal> units but not the <wych cult> reavers or the raider, let alone the scourges I'm going to get.

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>>54456700
I don't know what's worse, you or the rules that allowed you to do that.

>>54456849
i could drop the combi on the warp smith and pop a castigator on a predator..

>>54456833
What unit that can get models back has to pay?

Read, get models BACK, no create new ones.

>>54456790
Which does cost, because no single unit can do that on its own. RP is 5+, with no reroll.

Also, doesn't matter if you keep getting back up, if you don't have mobility, or damage output to counter any other army this edition..

>>54456846
People just forget Necrons exist because they're the most boring, bland army in the game. No offense to Necron players but it's basically true.

Meanwhile T'au are really easily hateable and weeaboo and obnoxious and in your face about it.

>>54456806
My store's already banned forgeworld in tournaments after looking over that monstrosity.

You should probably ask if your store's okay with that shit.

>>54456732
Xenos players! Remember to vote against Imperium so maybe GW will throw us a bone some time instead of giving Space marines another 10 kits and all our unique shit.

>>54456750
I like the Deff Rolla arm except the Stompa's original arm already looked awesome

>>54456833
New units cost points, returning slain models to a unit (daemon icons for example) does not.

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>>54456767

>>54456871
Really? I always thought IG fit that more.

>>54456868
Horrors.

I'd also argue that using the rules of special weapons shouldn't cost points every time you swing them. (ie staff of change)

>>54456734
rollin

>>54456854
All that won't be as important until codex release really.

>>54456873
>Xenos players! Remember to vote against Imperium so maybe GW will throw us a bone some time
That's not going to happen just because Imperium loses. All that would happen would be Chaos players gloating more about being the big bads and making more shitty NPC memes. The last thing we need is for 40k to turn into more autistic power armour loyalist vs traitor wank like 30k. If Imperium wins at least we keep status quo.

>>54456846
Under the radar? You weren't here for the start of 7th edition then, were you? Everyone cried about the cheesey robots.

Now, they got nerfed so bad, that no one wants to play them any more.

I'm happy for this. I just wish that Tau had gotten the same treatment.

>>54456806
2+ 4++ W14 T8
BS/WS 2+

Can do 16.8 wounds to a landraider in one phase with super meltas
Grav is its own class

Shit it ridiculous

>>54456871
Necrons are like, oh ya they exist

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>>54456767
I have this one

>>54456887
What do these scratch marks mean.

>>54456850
You mean to get in aura range of characters? That's standard, do it.

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>>54456736
Post lieutenants

Sorry I'm not sorry about the photo size

>>54456910
>>54456873
DEATH TO THE IMPERIUM!!!

>>54456898
>PINK Horrors
>Being replaced by BLUE Horrors

They're different models man.

As I stated, replenishing models doesn't cost anything. Adding new models does.

Take Tervigon for example. You can make a new unit of Termagaunts but you have to pay or replenish a unit for free.

>>54456897
Basic Cadian IG are also pretty bland but they at least have a lot more ability to be customized and converted and played in different ways.

Necrons could really use some more expanding to other themes than just DEATH and SPOOKY SKELETONS and SINISTER GLOWING GREEN MAGIC CRYSTAL TECH.

They could start by bringing back Pariahs.

>>54456910
not to mention it'll give another xenos army the spotlight as the next big bad for the imperium good guys to fight

I've been out for a bit, do we know what stuf the Raven Guard are getting in terms of tactics and strategems?

>>54456918
>and just Luke that, my creamy skinned waifu was gone

>>54456705

Can't say I didn't see this coming. I'm going to wait until their Codex comes out, but at this rate they are looking like the contenders for bottom tier.

You guys shouldn't have abused those formations....

>>54456947
Units have -1 to hit Raven Guard when shooting at them from more than 12 inches away. Pretty awesome.

>>54456887
W-who is that

>>54456844
It'd be cool if GW did an event where they'd ask players to make up some new chapters and warbands for them and take the ones that are the least shit (because let's be honest 99% of them won't be good) and make them canon or something.

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How does one (You)'s Mek/Big Gunz properly? I'm thinking of buying anywhere from 3-10 from some anon on Reddit, and want to know how useful they are. Specifically vs. T'au or Space Wolves.

>>54456943
The different Dynasties might help.

More wargear options would be nice but will never ever happen.

>>54456967
Some random filthy knife-ear whore?

>>54456848
Exactly, so which is it?

Now that no one will call me a cheesemonger, rightfully so, I want to play Eldar. I know Hemlocks are stupid op, but what do you guys think about Dire Avengers vs Guardians for the troop slot? Are Rangers even worth it?

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>>54456972

>>54456980
Rangers look the coolest take rangers.
Post results.

>>54456980
Dire Avengers look prettier and more fun

>>54456734
Brollin down a river

>>54456912
>>54456959

>Necrons players crawling out of the woodwork to cry about being the worst
What
Secondly, you're still drawing plenty of salt so don't expect buffs

>>54456966
Thats pretty neat, but seems a little counter intuitive in a way

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Pretty new to 40k. First attempt at a higher points list. Thoughts?
Teminators with Chaplain deep strike. Sterngaurd in rhino.

>>54456705
>It's funny when someone else army get left behind in a new addition.

Nice gloating bro! Care to share what you play.

How is it good for the game when an army is nerfed too much?

You are a fucking sad individual.

>>54456972
I hear Kustom Mega Kannons are the way to go
> anon on Reddit
>Reddit
Doesn't that make it NOT anonymous

>>54456980
Dire Avengers just because they look great.

>>54456901
So should I start deldar then if things are going to change, or should I wait?

>>54456990
Fuck off, I've been here since '07 and only joined Reddit two years ago.

>>54457007
I don't know his real identity, do I?

>>54456943
It's kinda funny actually
>Necron players pissed off that their faction aren't Terminator mindless drones anymore and have personalities
>Majority of Necron however are mindless robots with no individuality
>Players also proceed to get pissed off that their faction is called NPCs despite the fact that they are playing generic mindless robots with no interesting things about them

It's the same shit with Tyranids, they are called NPC because we don't know their motive and their players get pissy anytime GW hints at some form of individual thought amongst them that makes them interesting

>>54457022
>since 07
Cute

>>54457014
No it can only go up from here Anon! Honestly DE have really good rules from the index already. So the codex can only make them more awesome. You leaning toward cult of kabal more?

>>54456917
It should cost 500+ points. I mean shit, the Scorpion does less average damage than that to a land raider and costs at least 662 points.
Of course if it wants to just barely outshoot it it will become less durable(yes, less durable than something that costs half as much as it) since it wont even have the pittance of a 5++ or 2+ armor.

>>54457024
It's been well established what the Necrons want. Their leaders are far from mindless.

>>54456967
Llofn's mom I think.
She's a wraithknight now because Kyras made her play AoS once and her body couldn't handle that kind of torture and expired.

>>54457022
You could probably find it easily enough with enough digging. People like to use the same UN across multiple games and websites and if he's active enough he's probably left enough little pieces around those websites to piece together a bigger clue like where he lives or what his job is. From there it's even easier. Internet stalking is so much easier than people seem to think it is.

>>54457022
Yes, but you have a name to associate with him, don't you

>>54457022
If that were the case you'd know better than to mention reddit at all

seriously, what was the purpose

>>54456998
Yeah. Accept that I don't even play Necrons....

Reading comprehension aside. If you are denying that Necrons got fucking smashed in 8th, you haven't seen them on the table, or you're just being dishonest.

>>54456751
Fuck off mark

>>54456947
Chapter Tactic: Enemies have -1 to hit from more than 12" away.

Stratagem: 1CP, a Raven Guard INFANTRY unit can be deployed in reserve and set up anywhere more than 9" away from any enemy models at the end of your movement phase.

Warlord Trait: Can't be Overwatched.

Relic: Jump Pack that re-rolls charges and the wearer can Advance+charge in the same turn.

>>54456942
Blue horrors are strictly inferior to pink ones, same to brimstone. This also only happens once and doesn't add models to the unit.

If necrons that revived went to T3 S3 BS4+ then maybe you'd have a point.

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>>54456751
Fuck you Mark you Waac fag loaded dice having fuck.

>>54457078
God dammit just read the fucking rule book. This conversation is done.

>>54457041
Really a big fan of the edgy space pirate theme so probably more kabal themed

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>>54456734
Rolling

>>54457075
Wrong, in the stratagem, you deploy before the first turn begins.

>>54457078
It does add models to the unit. Pinks split into two Blues. Furthermore there's no way to stop them from doing it. If you wipe a whole Necron unit or a whole Termagant unit they can't replace dead ones, but you can wipe a whole unit of Horrors and have them all split in that same phase. That's why it costs points.

>>54457068

Alright, whatever you say. A battle of anecdotes

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Im ready for Week 1, gents.
Sadly could only afford two Heavy Bolters

>>54457097
Awesome same got me into it! Trying to find court of the Archon stuff now. Ur-ghuls look sick on paper.

>>54457110
Okay cool I almost typed that up but then thought I got it wrong, I'm gonna try and double check that one.

>>54457125

Literally an NPC

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>>54457106
Why are these massive pricks so cute?

>>54457062
Are you kidding? Have you seen how many (You)'s I got?

>>54457144
But I aint getting tabled? : ^ )

>>54456705
Other army's got nerfed too, you know. Just saying.

>>54457144
How so?

>>54456980
Dire Avengers are terrible and overpriced. A lot of people think the cost was a miscalculation or misprint since they're so absurdly expensive especially when compared with their PL value.

Also Dakkadakka amusingly put Dire Avengers in their own tier, below bottom tier: Dire Avengers.

Rangers are okay. Too expensive for so little damage output. But at least they can snipe characters so if you get really lucky rolls (4+ rends on a volley of 5-10 shots) they might make themselves useful.

Hemlocks aren't stupid OP. They're solid but also self-balancing thanks to the rule of 1 restricting more than one of them casting conceal. If you take a hemlock you're also locking all your warlocks out of their best power. They also cost more than 200 points which really hurts the wallet for your limited damage output.

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Reposting from /wip/ in hopes of someone with this experience seeing it


Anyone have any experience working with chitin?

I'm in the beginning stages of raising and breeding some dynastes species with my brother, and we both had the idea of utilizing the shells to make a custom space marine chapter. I'm trying to concurrently get some info from /an/, but does anyone here have experience with applying paint or using glue/epoxy with insect chitin?

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>>54457149

>>54456971
Can't remember which one, but I THINK there's like a single chapter that started as a fan homebrew. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and am thi king about something else for another game.

>>54457176

>Army is literally a building
>how is Npc? i dun get it

work that noggin boy

>>54457075
Thanks anon; sadly it looks like aside from the Tactic it doesn't do too much for a gunline army.

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>>54457125
>mfw I agree to a 1500 point game
>Intentionally set up no LOS terrain on one side of the board
>My confused opponent, naturally, chooses the edge with cover
>I plop down 3 of these manned with an infantry team each.
LINE HELD

>>54457194
I have no idea how to help you, but this is interesting as fuck. Carry on.

>>54457002
RG arent "jump pack onry" anymore. They're a mix a sneakiness and speed via jump packs. Their startegem lets the deep strike any infantry they want, and their relic is a special jump pack. And of course Shrike helps jump pack troops too.

>>54457209
Its a manned building anon, manned with MEN.

ELEVEN MEN AGAINST IMPOSSIBLE ODDS

ELEVEN MEN WITH A GIGANTIC COCK CANNON ABOVE THEM

>>54457125
Imperial Fists are gonna fuck you with the fury of a thousand exploding melta charges!!

>>54457125
Wouldn't it be better to put a heavy bolter into the infantry.

>>54457227
You best post some battle reports anon. I wanna feel your opponents salt vicariously

>>54457210
The Tactic is pretty huge for a gunline army, and you can always use one of the generic Space Marine Warlord Traits and/or Relics that works better for you and save your CP for Space Marine Stratagems. You aren't actually forced to play melee to make the most of their abilities.

The other gunline options would be Salamanders, Ultras, or IF.

>>54456734
Nigga I've done like 10 of these for my Deathwatch

>>54457227
>IMPOSSIBLE ODDS
>men with a fortified position and mass firepower achieving victory
That doesn't seem too impossible
As a matter of fact I'm certain this happens all the time in war.

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>>54457135
So this isn't like age of sigmar where my army is totally fucked if one unit lacks a keyword?

Will we ever get fully functioning webway portals or some shit for space elves? Like strong hold type stuff?

>>54457194
Super glue will work fine. Paint wise you'll want to prime it first, or leave it unpainted.

Personally I think they'd make awesome alien looking basing material.

>>54457293
Not at all with detachments and all that jazz your gravy. Just keep things effected by bubbles around the bubble givers and your straight.

>>54457293
Might be in the future. But not if youre just using the index.

>>54457247
Cant afford it unless I drop two off of the Fortress. Its only 8 per on the Strongpoint and ....huh.
DONE AND DONE
Then again Id keep two more lasguns the old way while only gaining 3 HeavyB shots on 4+ instead of 5+.
In that case I think Ill keep it on the Strongpoint. That way if for some freak reason I gotta bail, the Strongpoint keeps more covering fire.

>>54457125
>three units of troops chill next to a wall while my MC just stands .5" behind and removes wounds
this sounds like a game that could be played in Excel

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>>54457225
>>54457252
I'm starting up a Storm Hawk force and wanted to keep it fluffy (though I rather wish I'd gone Black Guard now that I've seen they're big on Vindicators and Thunderfire Cannons, both of which are in my line up). I think I should be able to work with it though, like you guys said the Chapter Tactic itself is pretty sweet and I can always take generic stuff for the rest.

>>54457253
Keep on going and show us your boys my dude. It's good motivation.

>>54457271
You just Jelly

>>54457295
You mean terrain? They made some eldar ruins stuff a couple months ago.

>>54457335
Jelly of what?
That sounds like a boring game for both parties

>>54457326
The fuck are you talking about?

>>54457218
Yeah, I've been surprised so far at how little information I can find about this.

Unfortunately it takes about 2 years for larvae to turn into adults, and after that the species will live for up to a year. Once I actually have the larvae I'm going to post occasional updates and maybe some lore building threads with a trip, so keep an eye out if you're interested.

>>54457305
Thanks for the info. I was personally thinking of leaving them unpainted, and painting the marines in the style of the beetles. They will be the species I posted in the pic, so tan with black spots.

My initial thought was using a head strapped to the front of a rhino or tank, and smaller pieces wherever I could. Similar to space wolves but beetles. It all depends on how big they grow, though. Can reach up to three inches. I definitely agree they would make good basing for larger models.

>>54457346
Jelly of his line being held.
Whats the difference between this and a Baneblade that wont move anyway?
Least this is fluffy

>>54457327
You rolled that army? Feels good man.

>>54457293
Turns out all of the special rules like Chapter Tactics, Stratagems and so on are Detachment based, not Army based. So you can actually mix and match quite effectively.

You can take all your shooty units in an Ultramarines/IF Detachment to be able to ignore cover or fall back and shoot, and all your melee units in a Black Templars Detachment to re-roll charges, and all your bikes in a White Scars Detachment and so on.

Kind of busted.

>>54457383
Just so long as I can use scourges

>>54457349
a stationary bs5+ building that can't shoot at things it can't see? a couple turns of movement from los block to los block and then its just rolling dice for a while to see whether it can chew through chaff wounds faster than something with decent AP can hack through it

>T'au sept: +1 bs
>vior'la sept: -1 for all enemy hit rolls, stacks with stealth shit
>Kel'shan: battlesuits are troops now
>Farsight enclaves: ws 3+ all units

>>54457383
and to do that youll have a bunch of hqs you dont want that buff a very limited portion of your force and very limited cp to spend on those stratagems

>>54457403
>>T'au sept: +1 bs
Hahahahaha no.

It'll be like +1 Leadership and add 2" to the For The Greater Good ability.

>>54457399
Scourges gallor! Path of the renegade has a really cool Archon (forgot his name) obsessed with birds of prey and flying units. He rolled with hundreds of scourges hellions and razor beak flocks. That books series really sold me on DE.

>>54457399
I run mainly CW eldar, and I run scourges because there is no reason not to.
Going up to 2, maybe 3 units soon.

So good, so good looking.

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Just ordered a bunch of bits so I can properly equip my blaster scourges and wyches. Prices make me want to cry.

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>>54457400
Well I WAS trying to be nice about it but if you insist I need to be a WAACfag and make the campaign "fun" then I can just take off the death eagle.

>>54457421
That's your bullshit? Not the vior'la and -3 to hit ghostkeel?

>>54457382
Yeah, I dig the nice, simple colour scheme too and managed to get some shoulder pads for them on shapeways.

>>54456811
>Plague Champion [56pts]: Combi-plasma [15pts], Plague knife, Power fist [20pts]
Technically, he can't have the fist in addition to the combi-weapon. Which sucks because I definitely have plague marine champions armed with fist/combi.
Unless I'm horribly misreading the Champion Equipment list options. And I'd love to be proven wrong here.

>>54457451
now thats the meme cannon the emperor desires

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Should I pick up his book?

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>Grey Knight Draigo stuck in the warp
>Blood Raven Aramus crusading in the warp
>Blood Raven Thaddeus crusading in the warp
>Ultramarine Cato Sicarius lost in the warp

Are your bodies ready for the greatest kill team to have ever existed?

So you get 1 relic for free, and 1 more for 1cp.

I'm going to give my apothecary Teeth of Terra because he always ends up in melee supporting my terminators and chaplain. Then spend a CP to either give my captain/chaplain armor indomitus, or give my captain or techmarine the axe of medusa.

>>54457486
How heavy is it? Just use good body mechanics and you should be alright.

>>54457147
Because people draw them wrong. Eldar should cause the uncanny valley reaction.

>>54456734
Just started debating myself about my marines,either sticking with my own I made up or switching to something already established. Like the Executioners

>>54457496
Don't forget Russ

Videos are out of guys who have codex space marines, any leaks of the book yet?

I love this system.

Every army getting one free Relic is going to be great when all the Codexes are out. No more "this Relic is cool but trash for the points".

>>54457507
But I need waifus.

>>54457519
We've been discussing leaks like all thread, and the last thread.

>>54457518
And corax.

>>54457526

Successors and OC chapters can't field named characters, though.

No one discussing the fact that Space Marines got Objective Secured?

>>54457554
How? I didn't catch that.

>>54457550
Unless they're their own named characters (CT, BT, FT). Or running them as "counts as" the parent chapter rather than their own keyword.

>>54457550
That's the opposite of a problem. It's named characters that CAN'T take Relics.

>>54457511
>either sticking with my own I made up or switching to something already established

I like picking a named Chapter but one of the minor ones with only a little bit of background. Means you still get the occasional mention in the lore but gives you some space to build them as you see fit.

>>54457550
"Lysander showed up to help his buddy's chapter"

"OC chapter has a good relationship with the Ultramarines so Calgar is hanging around with them"

"[named character datasheet] is representing [dude in lore without rules]/My Dude™"

variety of ways to do it

>>54457550
Wouldn't you just say "Oh, my chapter is running as the X chapter for this"

Sounds kind of retarded that GW would limit all players who have done a chapter without a named character.

>>54457526
> Dat feel when I can have a Chaplain Dreadnought wearing the Mantle of Vulkan.
> Dat feel when smashfucker is back again.

>>54457565
New special rule Defenders of Humanity, on the same page as Chapter Tactics.

If your army is Battle-forged, all Troops in a Space Marines Detachment control an objective if they are within 3" of it regardless of whether or not your opponent has more models within 3" of that objective yadda yadda.

>>54457590
Don't even fib. Calgar is just lonely and bored

>>54457592
Its really going to annoy dark eldar players, almost everyone makes up their own Kabal.

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>>54457596
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CANCER IS BACK

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>>54457439
>craftworld bitch elves

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>>54457583

Yeah, it's funny though too. I ended up writing up fluff for my guys and it turned out to be similar to the Executioners. Where both are using skulls as trophies to show off and are now both in the Orpheus Sector fighting the Necrons.

Pic is my guys color scheme

>>54457464
damn .. oh well rip the combi off then . i need the fist for anti armor use.. maybe not?

>>54457613
Counts as

>>54457225
They always were. Folks memed them into jump only.

>>54457632
You can take a plasma gun and a fist, just not a combi-plas and a fist. Fists aren't as good this edition though.

>>54457625
Not really, they badly needed this to deal with horde armies.

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>>54457428
Godamn, hellions are cool too. I could include them with scourges in a separate non kabal detachment, and use the scourges for tank hunting and the hellions for rapid infantry fucking.

>>54457596
Yeah, it appears that in addition to the army-wide rules in the indexes (eg And They Shall Know No Fear) everyone is getting a new additional army-wide rule for Battle-forged Detachments in the Codexes, then their sub-faction rules, then their Stratagems, Warlord Traits, and Relics.

I am giddy over how much new shit this adds. The combinations are going to be dizzying once we start seeing more books.

>>54457091
My African American compatriot
>>54457072

>>54457496
>Sicarius lost in the warp
Say what? Source?
At least Ventris has officially entered the canon, DI has him as the in universe Titus.

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Came across this comparison pic.

>obsec is back
Fucking cancer

>>54457627
you know you want our bloody handed god of war.

>>54457784
Stop throwing your little tantrum, nobody gives a fuck what you think idiot

>>54457784
Obsec?

>>54457801
>implying i'm the guy above
No

Really though my least favorite part about obsec is that it forces you to take troops. Screws over specialist armies and whatnot unless they bring back X HQ makes X unit troops.

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [53 PL, 996pts] ++

+ HQ +

Chaplain in Terminator Armor [7 PL, 126pts]: Combi-flamer

+ Elites +

Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]

Company Champion [4 PL, 70pts]: Combat shield, Master-crafted power sword

Company Veterans [9 PL, 95pts]
. . Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. . Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. . Veteran Sergreant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon

Vanguard Veteran Squad [7 PL, 174pts]: Melta bombs
. . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw
. . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw
. . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw
. . Space Marine Veteran: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. . Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Flyer +

Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 311pts]: Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta, Two Hurricane Bolters, Two Stormstrike Missile Launchers

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)


Apothecary with Teeth of Terra, company champion with Shield Eternal

>>54457815
Objective secured.

>>54457625
Fuck off retard, this is actually really needed by marine armies and actually makes stuff like tacs really worth taking

>>54457816
You aren't forced to do anything, idiot.

>>54456931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvAr9DRmgQ
dude flipped right by them but they're basically the same as primaris lieutenants but with normal captain wargear

>>54457816
And the current rules where who ever has more models in range screws over smaller specialist armies vs armies with lots of cheap bodies.

>>54457838
You aren't forced to do it, you're "encouraged" to do it.
>>54457852
That is true. As I said if they bring back the old "X becomes troops" rules then Obsec will be fine. For now though it's gay that you have to bring generic tacticals if you want to do anything close to winning a game of Maelstrom

>>54457837
That is infeed a big argument in favor of it. I actually prefer obsec, "specialist" armies are another name for WAAC bullshit imo.

>>54457786
>being too dumb to see you're worshipping khorne

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Is this how the Ork race was created?
It seems to check out.

Well Hellblasters will be getting other weapon options.

They're all plasma.

Marine players have to play to table the opponent, they have no real chance of getting objectives unless fighting other low model count armies. This is a good change if other forces don't get it.

>>54457890
>For now though it's gay that you have to bring generic tacticals if you want to do anything close to winning a game of Maelstrom
You also have Scouts and Intercessors.

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>>54457905
forgot the pic

>>54457890
Fuck you, shut the fuck up with your retarded whining you stupid little shit. You want to take a retarded spam list and no troops, man up and pay the price.

>>54457451
>No LOS needed
>D6 mortals on HIT
>IF it survives, fuck you here's another 6
Most playtested edition.

>>54457891
I mean I can't exactly take Lascannons in my Dire Avenger squads but how are they WAAC?

>>54457920
Scouts are pretty shit outside of snipers which are mediocre and Primaris is fucking gay
>>54457932
>retarded spam list
Lol no, I can't even field stupid Stormraven spam if I wanted to.

>>54457905
It's Assault Plasma Incinerators, Plasma Incinerators, and Heavy Plasma Incinerators.

24" Assault 2 S6
30" Rapid Fire 1 S7
36" Heavy 1 S8

All versions have -4 AP, D1, and get +1 Strength and +1 Damage when overcharging like usual.

How triggered would you be if someone did Primaris Ashen Claws?

>>54457852
I'm betting we'll see a stragem and/or ability thats something like " this model counts as 2 for capturing objectives", turn up for an elite army/unit.

>>54457948
Then quit fucking crying and shut your fat fucking mouth

>>54456734
Rolling

>>54457948
>and Primaris is fucking gay
Well then no one can help you, manlet.

Intercessors are rad as fuck all around, best looking Primaris models, and have cool options in the Codex.

>>54457965
You sound awfully upset, is something wrong?

>>54457976
Sorry retard, zero tolerance for retarded bitching. Fuck off

>>54457951
not really at all. its been long enough to have some primaris marine geneseed stolen in a raid on some minor chapters fortress monestary.

could probably even swing some primaris renegades that have fallen in with the nearby renegades.

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What kind of stratagems do you think Khorne-aligned CSM are gonna be getting?

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Guys, stop.

>>54457975
They have options now? What can they take?
Also in general I think the primaris models look terrible. Really tastelessly done.
>>54457986
That's cool, there's a safe space on reddit on you if you ever need somewhere else to go to if 4chan is too much.

>>54457994
Advance+charge.

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>>54457990
Just wait til Honsou gets a hold of enough primaris geneseed to start Daemonculaba 2: Chad Boogaloo.

>>54458003
>starts fucking crying like a retarded little child
>gets told to shut the fuck up
>tells someone else to go to reddit
Typical fucking loser

>>54457994
probably a charge after advancing one.
+1 S and/or A for a fight phase seems likely.

might get a FnP thing again.

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>>54458003
They can take auto bolt rifles, bolt rifles, and stalker bolt rifles.

>>54458003
>They have options now? What can they take?
Auto bolt rifles, 24" Assault 2 AP 0 if you need more anti-horde instead of the normal bolt rifles.

Stalker Bolt Rifles, 36" Heavy 1 AP-2 if you want a firebase

Auxiliary Grenade Launchers, one per 5 models, turns a Grenade into a 30" weapon so you can launch Kraks or Frags.

>>54458030
>i don't like thing
>STOP DISLIKING THING
>fuck off, return to reddit
>L-LOSER
Angrier than Khorne right there m8. Careful or you'll crash a plane.

>>54458044
Crash a plane into what, your massively fucking stupid opinion?

>>54458037
>>54458039
So I guess they can't take specialist weapons like flamers or melta or plasma. That kinda sucks.

>>54457939
That's all right. I was more thinking about something like "Hey my army is full of "specialists" on Scat bikes" and the likes in 7th ed.
But as another anon said, if you get the chance to have units become troops it'll be fine with obsec.

>>54458044
>>54458058
two retards can't stop replying to each other. many such cases. sad!

>>54457996
I appreciate you Mr Rogers

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How badly would I get shit on at 2000 points with a list of 2 land raiders, 2 custodes units, Celestine, and a knight?

>>54458058
Unsurprising that the retard missed the joke. But whatever, keep bitching about other people bitching if you want to.

>>54458068
Well, a 30 inch krak grenade launcher is something

>>54457990
Good cus I've been meaning to do a Primaris army. Was gonna do Raptors but I feel its a bit done by now. I lije the Ashen Claws scheme.

>>54458017
Primaris deamon engines.

>>54458085
Keep crying you flappy cunt, nobody gives a fuck what you think

>>54458068
They don't really need to. You have Hellblasters for Plasma, Aggressors for Flamers, and Lascannons are pretty much better than Melta this edition since Drop Pods suck now.

So should I wait for codex before picking an army?

>>54458083
you'd probably get to go first.
land raiders have decent shooting, so you might be able to kill some dangerous things.
knights have decent shooting, so it might be able to kill some less tough, but still dangerous things.

they will probably target the knight first because it's big and scary.

you'll have a chance at least.

>>54458083
I literally cannot describe to you how fast and easily my Tyranid list would fuck that.

>>54458119
If you're one of those people who picks armies for the rules rather than for liking them, yeah.

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>>54458037
>>54457627
>Day 49, still trying to force npc meme, and the edgiest kiddy npc at that

>>54458088
I guess.
>>54458098
Honestly speaking you come off as really fuckin pathetic, telling people to stop disliking what you like.
>>54458101
That's the thing though, you gotta pay for another unit if you want any other weapons

>>54458133
Tyranids fuck everything except guard and orks. They have an even fight vs guard unless they let you pile into all his shit. Orks are way more cost efficient than the usual genestealer spam

>>54458083
Good luck, I'm behind 200 boyz.

>>54458119
No, pick an army because you like them.

If you're worried just buy some solid core choices or stuff you really like and don't go all out on building a huge army until the Codex.

How's this for a DE start:

>SC $100
>scourges $30
>venom $36

Total of $166 CAD. Might even grab a second box of scourges.

>>54456734
Rolling

Has anyone seen a points list from the new Codex?
Power costs on a lot of things seem different. The Intercessors went down, Centurion Devastators went up, Assault Centurions went down, etc. etc.

Is this GW's first attempt at altering points costs for balance purposes? How much do we really know about how that's going to change?

>>54456750
activate your windows you filthy pirate

>>54458083
I dont see this list worth it. You have so little firepower for a 2k army..

>>54458119
Only if you want to see what new models will look like.

I know DG is getting more models, but we haven't seen them all yet. So it would make sense potentially waiting if you're on the fence in this case.

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>>54458197
Pretty good, more or less what I did; from there I got another SC for a second partybus and the Gangs of Cormorragh box for a big batch of Reavers and Hellions.

>>54458068

You can still take a 10 man squad with two grenade launchers and then combat squad them for double the grenades

do we have a picture of the reiver rules that isn't total ass?

>>54458227
Or... take two squads

>>54458206
>How much do we really know about how that's going to change?
It's going to change every time a Codex comes out, once a year across the board for everyone in the Chapter Approved books, and possibly more often than that if absolutely necessary.

For example, if we still see Stormraven spam winning too many tournaments after this book is released, they might do something about it.

>>54457994
Khorne demonkin bonuses in stratagem form.

>>54456577

That looks weird. Shame.

>>54458069
Not to like burst your bubble or anything but Bikes as troops and tanks is actually a fluffy list if you're Saim-Hann. Lots to be said about how OP Eldar are in 7E but complaining about bikespam is like complaining about White Scars lists in 6E.

>>54458222
>>54458197
All these here Archons! What are the kabal wych cult names ya'll are kicking around? Further more anyone have any cool DE battle stories?

>>54458153
>projecting
Stop fucking bitching and shut the fuck up.

>>54458265
looks like he has chipmunk cheeks.

>>5445673
rollade

>>54458296
>anon comes onto /tg/, sees opinion he doesn't like, feels flustered.... autism! many such cases!

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>>54458273
I'm debating between using the flayed skull, dying sun, and last hatred schemes. Dunno about wych cults.

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>>54458273
>>>54458222
>>>54458197
>All these here Archons! What are the kabal wych cult names ya'll are kicking around? Further more anyone have any cool DE battle stories?
I call mine the Kabal of The Rising Storm
Haven't gotten a huge amount done on them, really stuck with getting my vehicles looking good, but my infantry is nailed down.
Beat a Custodes+Sisters force before the AoF FAQ which was a slog, managed to destroy a whole squad of Custodes by running 3 venoms and a ravager into them which was fun

Foregrip bolters, or knife and pistol Reivers?

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>>54456854

I love the fact that my <Cult> Raider rerolls 1s in melee when my succubus is nearby.

>tfw my Voidraven killed a jump Marine thanks to a reroll

>>54458273
Still waiting on most of my stuff to arrive in the mail, then I'm going to mess around with paint schemes and see what I come up with. Placeholder name is Archon Edmundus and the Kabal of the Black Adder though.

>>54458329
Oh man, that looks really nice, good job

>>54458331
I'm going knife and pistol reivers because the foregrip bolters look retarded.

>>54458265
I don't know, it has grown on me.

>>54458248
God I hope so.

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Anyone else buying up Tau armies from WAACfags for pennies so they can sell them back to them when the OP codex drops?

Planning to make a primaris chapter, using some stormtalon/stormhawks and tarantula sentry guns as fire support to help with tank busting but everything else primaris. Which legion should I go with? My main army is Iron hands, want to do something else.

>>54458329
looks good, but could use some shading or layering on the orange and white.

>>54458312
>retard so assblasted about being told to shut the fuck up that he's putting on a routine for hours after

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>>54458265
>>54458364

>>54458390
Autism is an epidemic anon, please take your ritalin.

>>54458388
yeah, archon and the sybbie aren't finished in that pic, just the blaster lad

>>54458396
>routine continues

>>54458405
Same as it ever was.

>>54458405
Shhh shhh, everything is ok now. Here, I'll let you have the last say. That's what you want isn't it?

>>54458273
If I had to name my own, I'd call it the kabal of the sanguine dance

>>54458416
>routine continues

>>54458392

The Mk X needs studs and power cables to look right with the Mk V helmet.

His paintjob also doesn't help since it's so bright.

>>54458329
You have done he dark city proud! Dig the orange love when it's done well like so. Ramming raiders into things is hilarious to me for some reason.
>>54458319
Very nice soon you too shall have stories of glory in real space to regail us with surely.

>>54458422
Thought so. Here you go, my final (You) to (You).

>>54458378
do a traitor geneseed.
It was mentioned somewhere that Cawl had made primaris marines based on ALL the legions geneseeds.

>>54458430
>routine continues

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>>54458377

>>54458378
Scythes of the Emperor; cool colour scheme, been around since the early days without being pushed into "main character" tier like the Ultramarines, BA, DA, etc, good fluff and are specifically being brought back from the brink of destruction by the addition of Primaris marines.

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>>54458392
WHO WORE IT BETTER

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what do yall think of this?

>>54458444
I think it looks unhappy.

What's the consensus on the Boring Space Guys codex leaks?

>>54458444
Deathguard Helbrute? Looks cool.

>>54458344
Purple black in whichever order sound nice with that name Archon! Be sure to let us know what ya end up with.

>>54458444
looks like a helbrute that got basecoated and dipped
a solid 5/10

>>54458460

What IG leaks

>>54458460
nice, but not game breaking.

>>54458378
Just roll. >>54456734

>>54456734
Gona end up with DA shit aren't I

>>54458441
Nah I already have my color scheme, I'm just wondering which chapter tactic to use it on.

It's part of a chapter painting contest, I was given a randomly generated name and mandatory color. So I've got the Thunder Eaters that have to use Rakarth Flesh as an important color in the basecoat. I'm doing kind of a gradient, rakarth flesh on the lower legs and hands, then the upper legs and torso is done with a lighter blue (Either P3 Frostbite or Fenrisian, not sure which yet), and the head, shoulders, and backpack is done with lightning bolt blue.

>>54458442
He's...so small. It's weird now. Not everyone can agree on the fluff but hoddamn the scale of Primaris is a breath of fresh air.

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So I'm thinking of making a Black Dragoons Primaris Army. Any tips for making the bone blades they have? I'm thinking of just sculpting plasticard onto some Reivers wrists but I'm wondering if there is a better idea than that.

>>54458470
IG aren't boring anon.

>>54458483
It seems you'll be going in all sneakie beakie like

WHY DOES THE REPULSOR TANK HAVE SO MANY FUCKING GUNS.

HOLY FUCK IT PUTS THE STORMRAVEN TO SHAME WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS.

>Turret Main Gun: Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon // Las-talon
>Front-mounted: Twin Heavy Bolter // Twin Lascannon
>Pintle-mounted: Ironhail Heavy Stubber // Onslaught Gatling Cannon
>Rear-mounted: Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber // Icarus Rocket Pod // Stormbolter // Fragstorm Grenade Launcher
>Turret-front-mounted: Two Krakstorm Grenade Launchers
>Turret-side-mounted: Two stormbolters // Two Fragstorm Grenade Launchers
>Side-mounted: Auto launchers // Two Fragstorm Grenade Launchers
>Co-axial turret mounted: Optional extra Ironhail Heavy Stubber

This means you could take a Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Twin Heavy Bolter, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Two Krakstorm Launchers, Two Fragstorm Launchers, three Stormbolters, and an extra Heavy Stubber, for a total of 12 + 6 + 6 + 2 + 2D6 + 12 + 3 shots within 12", or 48 shots on average with more than half of those shots having AP -1 and S5 or better

Or you can swap some of that out for more anti-tank or anti-flyer

And it has PotMS so you don't get a penalty for moving and shooting all the heavy weapons

Why are people saying Necrons are the worst?

I just acquired a large Necron army, did good?

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>>54458427
Thanks. My only worry is that if I did kabal of the flayed skull with cult of the red grief, it'd look too much like craftworld guardians.

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>>54458273
Originally I was calling mine the Kabal of the Severed Soul, but then after googling it to make sure it wasn't already taken, I found out that the Kabal of the Severed Soul was mentioned on a single page of Warhammer Visions. I didn't want to take the chance of GW writing them into some non-Marine BL book and completely messing me up. So I chose to go with the Kabal of the Torn Soul instead. Side note, I need to get more army pictures...I bet people are tired of seeing this one.

>Cool battle story
I ran them as Ynnari back in 7th and my Archon managed to wipe a Guardsman squad, get the Soul Trap boost from the Sergeant, and then Soulburst into the Commissar and murder him, too. Not sure if we could do that, my bud and I were still learning about Ynnari and how they just told the rules to go fuck themselves.

>>54458504
Someone make the "how many levels or irony are you on" meme with this and the Stormraven please

>>54458420
Very nice you the guy that was inquireing about the red scheme earlier?

>>54458504
How many points does this fucking thing cost?

>>54458499
Well that is a nice suprise, I was making a Lias Isso anyway...

>>54458504
anyone have the rules for it?

>>54458511
Nah I wouldn't worry about that DE are way more fabulous.

>>54458527
It's 16 PL. A land raider crusader is 17 PL as a reference. So it's going to be in the range of 320 points.

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One of these days

>>54458522
Yup, and the guy above worrying about looking too much like CW (>>54458511). Pretty sure if I went with the red scheme, it'd be khorne red with a nuln wash and wild rider highlights. Just dunno if it's too bright

>>54458509
Good? Bad? Did? Done?

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>>54458441
>>54458485
This is my planned color scheme btw

>>54458509

Necrons are really good. Their durability is the best in the game and their one and only weakness is lack of good tank killing guns. No idea why people are saying they're bad other than typical /tg/ stupidity or trying to misdirect people.

If you like Necrons you should be fine, they've been extremely good for over 6 years without any breaks.

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>>54456910
Hi there Carnac. Being crafty i see

>>54458546
Pretty sure that one darkens a bit anyway but after a good wash it should mute the brightness a bit.

>>54458542
Primaris squats when???

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>>54458546
Also, I'd do the helmets red and leave the eight to the cloth. Then make some paildrons a dark metallic colour

>>54458497
>regular modern day human soldiers, except in space
>not boring
>less boring than 8 feet tall supersoldiers stuffed with extra organs put in powered exo skeleton suits dropping in from high orbit

Sure they aren't.

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How come there isn't a WH40K MMO?

>>54458514
I remember the twins from WIP forever ago! Nice work Anon.

>>54458579
Because warhammer online bombed hard

>>54458579
Because the warhammer MMO failed.

>>54458496
tyranid swords

>>54458576
>regular men with only their sub-standard guns, sub-standard training, and balls of steel to get them through battles against impossible odds
vs.
>an entire faction of gary stues who suck all the cool out of everything because every faction must job at the altar of the space marine

>>54458579
Because a good mmo is even harder to do than a good mini game.

>>54458579
They tried that with Eternal Crusade, but it suffered from scope bloat; they had a small team but kept promising more and more features they couldn't possibly deliver on.
Even people who have spent 1k+ hours on it claim it's dying and will not have any long term lifespan.