Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

first for if grey knights dont get brotherhood bonuses that guy will literally kill himself.

Reminder, GKs get no special subfactions and will be copying the SM codex
Optimism leads to disappointment

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>>54452739

3rd for the Legion of Steel.

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Leave Necrons alone!

>>54452781
Then he's a walking dead man.

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So I intend to run an Iron Warriors army that's basically just a regular HH era force with all MK III marines, lots of Hellforged Dreads and some artillery. Is there a limit on Hellforged models like there used to be for relic units in 7th? I can't say I've seen one anywhere.

>>54452715
you just have a shit manager.

My local GW has a "leave a bit, take a bit" box behind the counter

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List builder where? Official GW one isn't out and no word, yet the fan builder is still fucking dead?
Goddammit "New GW"

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>>54452827
What's wrong with Necrons?

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>>54452827
Post most recent addition to Your Dudes

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What do you guys think of Duncan's skill in comparison to the best painters of 40k?

Where would he rank? 7 out of 10? 8?

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>>54452890

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>54452890
It looks shit.

>>54452881
Maybe he's that anon that has the opinion that reanimation protocols is underpowered and that all Necron units cost waaaay too many points ?

>>54452878
that fan ones death was his own dumb fault, blatently profiting of copyright infringement. GW were well within their rights shutting him down.

>>54452890

THICCsight

>>54452881

Necrons generate tons of salt now

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>>54452890
THIN
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>>54452890
>Starts to vomit uncontrollably

DELETE THIS

>>54452898
The tutorials aren't Duncan's best work.

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>>54452890
Did this guy today.

Might touch up the tabard a bit more.

Maybe give the metal another wash.

Work on the nurgling a bit.

>>54452933
>>/plebbit/

SM: July 29th
CSM+GK: August 19th
DG: September 23rd
>CONFIRMED

angron is literally the best primarch

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>>54452890

>>54452914
Diff anon, but a necron player nonetheless.
I miss options for our lords an shit :(
Also, seems like we got only a glancing hit by the nerf bat after 7th. That being said, tomb citadel sucks (thank god its so retarded), but I just got the MURDER ROBO CENTIPEDES and MURDER ROBO WASPS in the mail and looking forward to trying them out...

>>54452806
Those are great looking Anon.

>>54452968

Hold your horses, the SM's could've been a lucky guess. Saturday releases+end of July gives few other options. So wait two weeks to see

Dunno why they wouldn't just push one dex back so there is less of an interlude in that "prediction"

>>54452970

That's funny you spelled Perturabo wrong.

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>>54452986

thanks! now that ratlings are good again I will have to make a lot more of them as ratling stand-ins

>>54452970
>angron is angry
>there is nothing else to him

The poetry.

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Do Orks still have families?

>>54453017
Also I noticed the "four codex" prediction recently got updated to show ten codices. My guess is only the first four are official leaks and the rest have been added by some troll

>>54453033
t. knows nothing about angron apart from 1d4chan

>>54453045
What are his character traits?

What has he done?

Spoiler: He's angry and he's done nothing.

Winters talking about the Space Marine Codex for an hour:
https://youtu.be/qpvAr9DRmgQ

>>54452949

blood on tabard needs work, my man

get some of that reikland deepshade in and some nuln oil

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>>54452925

>>54453062
He invaded Armageddon. Twice it seems.

What's the verdict on codex space fags?

What stratagems would you like to see for your factions? Would be fitting to have some sort of "More Dakka" thing for Orks that lets a unit fire again after shooting in the shooting phase.

>>54453062
epic, simply epic

>>54453028
That rifle needs some sweet highlighting

>>54453085
Yeah? And what did he accomplish?

>>54453092
It's not even up for pre-order yet

>>54453092
Unreleased, maybe it'll release with the Lion waking up

>>54453075
Quantum Shielding has lots of people complain on Facebook.

>>54453092
No one knows when DA is getting their codex except for the fake list that gets spammed every thread

>>54452898
On the table of 1 - 6, where 1 is someone literally just starting out, and not even knowing to thin their pants, and 6 being golden daemon winner.

Duncan himself is a Level 5 painter. All his tutorials are intended for level 1/2 painters looking to get up to level 3, which would be the point where you get tabletop quality. This is pretty good because duncan's tutorials are literally the best tutorials in the goddamn market for beginner painters. Since they're no more than 1 to 2 minutes long, and provide all the information you need to do it yourself in that short amount of time. It serves as a great starting point for newbies, and can be a stepping stone if people want to advance to high level painting skills.

When I started painting 5 or so years ago, I first started by watching a fuckload of tutorials. And only AFTER did I begin. As a result my first-ever model is about a level 2.5. Today I have 3 level 5 models under my belt, and I'm working on learning super advanced shit like Non-metal-metalics, Glazeblending, and Weathering. This is about the same stage duncan is at in his personal work.

>>54452890

Nice base.

Now strip that abomination and try again.

>>54453094
I would be down for an army wide +1 to reanimation protocol for a turn.

Either that or a return to the veil for a point or two. I miss being able to port around the board with my lord.

>>54452806
Anon, do not be alarmed but you're left is about to be buttfucked by three Pentient Engines

Anyone had a look at the Riever's carbine?

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>>54453092
I like the stratagem that are old school synergy - like the whirlwind auto hit when the target can be seen by and is within 12" of a speeder. Rules like that make me happy.

Overall looks good so far, and I think I'm one of the few people who thinks BTs are fine as well.

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>>54453122
>complaining on Facebook

>>54452949

Looks great aside fgrom the tabard. It looks like he's been painting or cake decorating or something.

>>54453158

It's an assault 2 bolter

>>54453094
>GK : True Grit - All Storm Bolters may be used as Pistol 4 weapons this shooting phase

>Crimson Fists : Bolter Drill - all bolter weapons can be fired twice this shooting phase

>Thousand Sons : Psychic mastery - none of your psychic powers can be cancelled this psychic phase.

>>54453122
>>54453133
>>54453113
I didn't mean codex dark angels. Fag, to me, means "asshole", which adequately describes all space marine players. If I wanted to ask about dark angels, I would have referred to codex space homo.

>>54453028
Anon, help a brother out, how do you do those magnificent bases? I'm doing my IG up as Steel Legion too, and I'd love a step by step.

>>54452890
So this is the power of unthinned paints.

>>54453094
I imagine some of the Enclaves Strategems from Planetstrike might be reused.

Like Kill Zone (twin link your guns)
Aggressive Defence (Overwatch reroll)
Mont’ka Strike (mess with enemy DSs and improve your alpha striking)

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>>54452890

>>54453193
Again -it's not even up for pre-order yet. It will be tomorrow (aka in a few hours)

>>54453166
>Standing atop his fallen brothers

Shit mini

>>54453193
>literally ALL space marine players
>ALL

If you're feeling inadequate it's better for you in the long run to try and elevate yourself, rather than try and bring other good people down to your shit tier forced justification level

So the GK codex will literally be shit that could have been put in the index. We will get what, four pages of rules and 150 pages of fluff? What a fucking waste

Where are the rest of the Stratagems? I need to know what Armor of Contempt does! I need my dreadnought buffs!.

What's the warlord trait for IH?

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>>54453176

Regardless of your thoughts, that is where GW posts and collects feedback to change the game. And where spastics gather to shout

I can't imagine that Redemptors are going to be very popular in older chapters: The ancient is more important than his chassis, and the fluff indicates Cawl cut corners on life support to make it more mass-producible.

Of course Gulliman sees the primaris as cannon fodder and they probably have a huge pro-Cawl bias, so they'll use it.

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Are pure khorne daemons viable? I'd throne in some world eaters if they got a TS/DG styled release.

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FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN. THOUSAND. YEARS!!!!

>>54453262
He can tech marine

>>54453182
Can you even paint over Blood for the Blood god?

>>54452857
Nope! But do not try to repair anything that has the Machina Malifica rule because as of the latest FAQ you cant.

>>54453244
We'll get what's in the Index with one page with strategems and some relics added to it.

Personally I have no issue with it, have yet to lose a game with my GK in 8th.

>>54453275
Look at those sleepy puppy marines, so cute.

>>54453193
>mfw anti-marinefags try to pin everything on marinefags
>mfw just look at this post

lewl

>>54453094
Give deep strike to a raider or venom
Something to give a unit more potent poison/more shots for a round
Buffed fnp/invuln for grotesquerie unit for a turn
Some kind of buff to fear effects

>>54453275
Magnus the Pink just didn't have the same effect on his enemies.

>>54453244

Yep, being the very first codex(es) isn't actually all that great.


>>54453275

>The marine just chilling in the snow
cute

>>54453269
Things like this make me wonder about what GW is thinking sometime.

Mathhammer is a fairly basic way to figure out if something sucks or not. And I have never seen something to show poor results with mathhammer, and end up being good on the table.

>>54453288
At that point they could have gone with no codex for small factions like gk. One good thing would be to have all datasheets from generic SM next to those of GK since going back and forth is annoying. Also allow libbies to use sanctic powers?

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How do my necrons look like?

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Just how good are regular autocannons?
>>54453193
FUCK OF FROM BA AND SALAMANDERS U FAGGOT

>>54453269
This picture is sad.

>>54453269
Normiebook comments are always nothing but marine players complaining about how other armies are too good and how marines don't get enough shit for free. They're unworthy space marine players.

>>54453275
I bet he took off his shirt so that the DA would not be able to help the SW fighting him :^)

>>54453357
Meh I don't really like them as much as I used to, I use missile launchers pretty much exclusively now where I used to use autocannons.

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>>54452890

>>54453336
Like they could use a wash.

>>54453322
GK Librarians already MUST pick Sanctic powers and are not allowed to use the SM ones.

Oh shit. The Marines codex hints at a big Chaos (Word Bearers) offensive against the Shrine Worlds soon. Actual new Sisters hints? If ever they were going to do them the defense of the Shrine Worlds would be the time.

>>54453393
>This axe is so heretical I need three eye lenses !

>>54453405
Word bearers vs sisters sounds fucking badass.

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>>54453393
IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT

>>54453393
Splinter Cell 40k looks pretty neat.

>>54453414
>>54453405

Also, a great set up for chaos sisters, with chaos themed acts of faith.

>>54453357
Pretty good against lighter vehicles and 2 wound models like bikes. But a bit underwhelming as generalist weapons. Missile Launchers do that much better now.

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>>54452890
Couldn't get enough light thru the window so pic sucks. Hopefully finish the cryptek this weekend. First and last failcast model I'm dealing with

>>54453393
>HOLY SHIT IT LIGHTS UP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvAr9DRmgQ

>>54452914
That has literally never been said.

It was reanimation protocols is TOO good and units cost a lot because of it. Stop making shit up.

Wait, the Burning Blade is still there? I thought what Bobby G has is the legit one.

>>54453336
bad. give them a wash or two and they'all be loads better

>>54453283
Really? That sorta sucks. I guess I can have my Warpsmiths cursing the enemy instead. It's a fair trade though, I'm just glad I can finally field a Scorpius again.

>>54453440
Damn I love that green on necrons, struggled between that and nihilakh, which is what I ended up rocking.

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>>54452890
These are the most recent models I've painted. I also painted 3 Heavy Bolters and 4 Plasma Guns, but they are even painted worse than these. The 2 greys are conversions I'm hesitant to prime and paint since I don't know what colors I want or if I want to change the models some.

>>54453393

That sideways pauldron

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>>54453216

1: start with a black primer, spray all matte black
2: use large brush to apply coat of scorched brown
3: use large brush to aggressively drybrush the base with bestial brown
4: aggressively drybrush with steel legion drab
5: wash the base with agrax earthshade
6: aggressively drybrush with desert yellow
7: drybrush with a final khaki color
8: drybrush VERY lightly with skull white

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>>54452890
I don't get how a model painted like that ends up on a base that good.

>>54453476

Paint the DE in Dark Elf or Dark Eldar style colors and have her be one of those sanctioned xenos retinue members of the Inquisition.

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>>54453415
Fuck off Perty, no one likes you.

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>>54453486

final product

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Can a daemonic khornate force have much success? I want to spill an ocean of blood across the stars.

>>54453468
Yeah, I really hope they fix it because as it stands its usually better to take a sorcerer (prescience) or a standard chaos lord (reroll 1's) than taking a warpsmith / hellwright.

>>54453487
Just looks like a precast resin base that's been drybrushed.

>>54453507
Not right now, wait for the codex.

>>54453473
Nihilak was close 2nd for me as well. I think I'm finally starting to figure out how to use the shade for this green tho. RIP those 4 immortals I painted before I figured it out.
Blending the oranges un-jarringly eludes me yet. Is it stupid to get one of those Iwata kits? It seems the compressors in them are overpriced but its difficult to get things shipped to me, so everything coming in one box would be nice. I was looking at getting an airbrush for Chadmarines

>>54453336
Where is the purple thing from?

>>54453507
Mono-god is a challenge.

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Sisters of Battle Mechanized Infantry Company, how fucked am I?

>>54453489
I've been using her as a count as for Straken since I gave her the robo arm and plasma pistol, but I think what you suggested is also pretty neat. Makes me wish Acolytes had more customization in terms of armor and defensive wargear. Also makes me wish Inquisitors had WS2+ and BS2+ as well as access to better armor or a Refractor Field.

>>54453253
Nevermind, found two more Stratagems

>Wisdom of the Ancients: Choose a dreadnought, units within 6'' of that dreadnought reroll 1s. 1CP

>Armor of Contempt: When a vehicle suffers s mortal wound you can ignore that wound and future mortal wounds in this phase on a 5+. 1CP

>Honor the Chapter: Infantry or Bike unit can fight again at the end of the fight phase. 2CP

>Auspex Scan: When an enemy reinforcement is deployed 12'' away from a chapter infantry unit that unit can immediately fire at it as if it were the shooting phase, must substract 1 from all resulting hits. 2CP

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Thought this was an amusing placement of a GW store. When I went, the store had just opened and it was a random weekday so I didn't get to see what the customer base was like.

>>54453465
>>54453398
Damn. I did give them washes tough. Damn, i think i made the lighting too intense it dosent show the grime that the washes made, altough i did go over the overlord to make him really more shiny than his normal troops. gotta bring the blind to the battlefield.

>>54453525
Its a large fire elemental from Reaper Bones. The keytar is made by me.

>got into 40k setting through RPGs
>decide to start collecting army/playing wargame
>look through factions
>get to necrons
>robot skeletons with deathrays, giant bug robots, and lightning guns
>that looks neat
>decide to buy necrons
>get accused of being a powergaming asshat by other people in the store

Did I miss something?

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>>54452890
Build 'em up, break 'em down

>>54452739
So it's pretty much confirmed that Cypher is Zahariel right?

>>54453507

Holy fuck, 8th edition Angron model when? Need me some Khorne army lists soon.

>>54453501

D E C I M A T E D

Man I have to give props to GW, the stratagems are such a cool mechanic.

>>54453548
What did you use for the snow?

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>>54453486
Thank you very much anon! Here's my current project.

>>54453062
read Horus Heresy

>>54453308
Yeah. "The Lavender King" sounds like a special guest at one of Fulgrim's 'parties'.

>>54453547
People are bad at 40k.

>>54453547
Sounds like a shitty playerbase.

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>>54453553

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAqdPMRhuI

Ultramarines with new Chapter Tactics and gubbins from Codex vs Iron Weenies.

Predictions?

I think Ultramarines win by turn 3.

>>54453593
Turn 2

>>54453547
I don't know what people are accusing you of powergamimg. Last I remember necron players were complaining about their army wasn't good. I don't think it's bad but it dosesnt seem really broken.

>>54453547
Necrons in 7th edition were extremely strong (broken), alot of power gamers played them specifically because of this. Currently they are nowhere near the broken that they once were, but alot of people get heated about their quantum shielding rules.

>>54453572
Citadel's valhallan blizzard

The texture/basing paints are expensive yeah but theyre the best stuff out there for basing in my opinion

>>54453572

cocaine

I have 20 immortals to build for the core of my army. All tesla, all gauss, or ten of each?

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Where did the meme start that Iron Warriors hate Chaos start? I keep seeing people saying Iron Warriors aren't Chaos despite being Chaos

>>54453593
IW lose, turn 4

>>54453547
It happens. People are super particular about what is okay in their mind to play. You'll hear people basically whine about 80% of the units. Even if they went up against their own army, they would complain about what was taken.

Just play, be nice and it's fine.

>>54453608
Even tho most of the necron vehicles are T 6. It's a fair rule and give the necrons flavor.

>>54453549
How come?

>>54453626
I have 20 immortals as well and went with 5 death mark, 5 guass 10 tesla but that was just so I could mix guys up for SWA killteam as well.

>>54453635
They don't worship Chaos. Perty started following Horus because Perty got sick of being treated like shit by the Emperor and ended up on the losing side. Now he's just being an asshole because it's literally all he has left.

>>54453635
Like, all of there fluff.

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>>54453671
>>54453669
Why does all their art make them look like Black Legion and covered in Daemon faces and shit?

>>54453593

>2 hours

What happened to text battle reports? Those were actually enjoyable.

>>54453694
Because BL has no sense of continuity.

>>54453635
Index Astartes in 3rd edition, they dont worship chaos they use it as a tool. Of course there's a fine line there where at some point demons are using you or you have begun to worship them in order to gain more power.

Iron Warriors hate mutation and just because they dont worship chaos doesnt mean chaos isnt corrupting their souls.

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>>54453707
>text reports
>picture related

>>54453658
>if you roll high on variable damage it is almost impossible for you to damage my vehicle
>oh by the way this wargear is also free on a vehicle that costs the same as a predator and also puts out 13 shots
>and it flies so you can't tie it up in melee
>and it regenerates hp every turn

Just sayin' necron are still quite good

>>54453726

Well, current GW are shit at them but 90's, early 2000's white Dwarf usually had a decent blow-by-blow going.

>>54453738

*autocannons and Kheres intensify*

>>54453738
>use Dark Reapers, Shruiken cannon and blasters and most of my anti tank.
Kinda ruins my Autuarch fusion gun, but I'll just charge it with my laser lance.
Also, punching a plain out of the air was as fun as I thought it would be.

>>54453707
Video reports are more comprehensive in terms of everything that's happening on the table. Unfortunately, the amount of information conveyed causes the report to be longer unless you edit out a lot of it.

>>54453764

Not who you are talking to but man taking on necrons as the SOB is a pain. Most of our anti-tank is meltaguns.

>>54453547
> and those guys play guard
It's like as soon as those loser nerds got a stroke of luck, they immediately become the thing they bitched about. How hypocritical. How... typical

What do you lads reckon will be in the CSM codex? Any tweaks?

>>54453738
I kept fucking up Tesla shots thinking you still rolled for extra hits, not extra damage.

>>54453694
i don't think we are looking at the same art.

Also, they are not above using daemons and such, or warptech, they just don't revere the entities of the warp as gods or worthy of worship or supplication.

Iron within, Iron without!

>>54453713
Fucking hell that's annoying then. I don't understand why artists always draw them with ornate looking armor and BL keeps forgetting that as well.
>>54453718
So they are kinda like Night Lords in that they are just in it for themselves?

>>54453829
they are alone now that Perturabo fucked off to be a daemon prince

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Okay, so Agressors are officially weird, though without the missile pack on are the first primaris model I unreservedly find cool.

6 cost the same as 20 unupgraded tactical marines, and output an average of 57 Bolter shots at 18 inches instead of 40 at 12 inches. If they stand still, it doubles to 114 goddamn Bolter shots.

On the other hand, less durable than terminators and for some weird reason they both have incentive to stand still, a slow move rate, no alt-deployment method and -dual power fists-, making them flexible but contradictory, and a big fire magnet that can't really take the heat.

Conversely, you can take flamer versions, which are less anti-horde capable but still okay at it, and have more incentive to charge and get stuck in, with a punishing overwatch to boot.

I really don't know what to make of them.

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>>54453544
>Thought this was an amusing placement of a GW store.

Where is that, Miami?

This is Denton Town Crossing, in Texas.

>>54453799
extra auto hits are pretty great, especially on overwatch for obvious reasons

>>54453853
That's kind of cool though. Means they can start whatever empire they want and conquer shit, and since they use Chaos as a weapon, they have no limits on what they can do provided they are skilled enough to do it.

>>54453859
are these terminator equivalents or not?

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>>54453573

Did you fire off the smoke launchers right before you took the picture?

>>54453859
I think the design goal is that they are interesting, do something cool and they are not good to just spam a million identical copies of them.

It's good design in my opinion.

>>54453859
Wait what? 114 shots?

>>54453877
pretty much that.

look up "daemonculaba"

>>54453883
Not exactly, they're more like a heavy bolter dev squad rolled into one guy, with all the huge amount of firepower and ease of being removed from the board that this entails

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>>54453811
This one in particular comes to mind. It's far too fancy and ornate looking to be Iron Warriors.

>>54453877
It also means a lot of infighting because everyone wants to be the new Lord of Iron.

>>54453925
>stay that to my face not online and see what happens

>>54453916

Yeah, I don't envy those guys being on the receiving end of my exorcists.

But then, that's sorta what I've been getting with the Primaris marines in general. 2 wound, expensive infantry are not in a happy place there.

>>54453925
naw man, that is just classic grim darkery.

that really isn't ornate. Just detailed. No extra iconography, hazard stripes, no organic daemon shit. Looks like and traitor Iron warrior to me.

>>54453883

They're kinda terminator equivalents?

Cawl is too cheap to make artificer plate or terminator plate, so he just made bulky add on plates to the regular armour. The end result is T5 3+, which is inferior protection in most situations to T4 2+ 5++.

Y'know, kinda like how his Dread design doesn't have a force field, reinforced structure or even good life support: It just relies on raw bulk to keep trucking a little longer.

>>54453068

Can any video ninjas get decent shots of the points pages?

>>54453948
*has hazard stripes

Do you guys count up or down with wound dice? Personally I count up.

>>54452890
Is it made of cake icing or something?

>>54453897

6 standing still average 114 shots, yes. Math it out yourself if you don't believe me.

Flamers might be the better choice if you intend to either leap out a repulsor or Raven guard deploy with the intent of punching things with the power fists though.

>>54453978
I think having your wound dice indicate the number of remaining wounds makes the most sense, so that you can see at a glance what degrade category a vehicle is in

>>54452949
Hint. Dried blood looks brown, not red.

>>54453960
The weapons of the Redemptor dread also seem kinda lacking. The 12 heavy bolter shot gatling gun is kinda funky, but it can't take two, doesn't even have more attacks than a regular dreadnought, hits on 3+, and has decaying stats. Depending on the points you might be better off taking 2 regular dreads or even venerable dreadnoughts.

>>54453883
I'd say so. They're slower and tougher than regular marines, with a high volume of fairly short-ranged anti-infantry firepower and heavy melee weapons - very, very similar to regular terminators.

One significant difference is that they do not deep strike, which is going to significantly alter how they are used compared to terminators.

>>54453978
Why would you count up? Wound dice is useful to know how many wounds the model has left in order to decide who to shoot at. If you count up you always need to subtract from the total when the opponent asks the number of hp left.
Counting down allows you to remove this additional step and forget about the starting total...

>>54453995

It's also a much better courtesy to your opponent: Let them see how much progress they're achieving.

>>54454005
That blood doesn't look dry to me. It looks like paint and not like blood, but it looks fresh either way.

Thought you guys would like to know, since it's apparently not going through GW's shop.

https://hlj.com/product/MAX08744

>>54454008
>10 Chaos terminators teleport behind them
>Unload 20 plasma shots into them
>"Nothing personell, new kids"

>>54454010
Counting up removes error in remembering what the starting wounds of a model are.

>>54454045
You don't need to remember, the damn dice has the number.

>>54453927
Huh, that's kinda cool then. I wish there would be some books exploring this.

>>54454045
Anyone who "doesn't remember" what number of wounds their model started with is purposefully cheating.

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Asked a day or two again but thought I would ask again with the new IF rules out today: Going to be doing a PURELY Primaris Footslogging army. Just getting into the hobby and house rules are no vehicles right now, just small armies and lots of fun. What chapter currently has the best rules for that? No drop pods too btw. Also, can I use beer bottles as cover?

>>54454006

Boxes are cheap, Contemptors are basically faster, more durable boxes, the Deredeo is a wonderful firebase and good anti-air, the leviathan is a scary centrepiece brick that can put the hurt on essentially any target but pays to do it.

The Redemptor... Is a one-trick anti-infantry pony, with it's durability helping more against small arms fire than the kind of shit it should really be scared of, where an invul would come in handy.

It's sort of... Stack together a quad heavy bolter mortis dread and a twin heavy bolter regular dread into the same body, then shave off a few wounds in return for a D3 shot Skyfire autocannon.

A strange duck, it has one role and it's debatable whether it even does it better than other dreads kitted for anti-infantry.

>>54454038
>£112.56 GBP
SUCK A FUCKING DICK

>>54453927
To be fair that's CSM in general. It's an entire army of Starscreams looking for that one moment where they can stick a knife in the current leader's neck and take his place.

>>54454072
That's why I prefer to mark wounds dealt, not wounds left

>>54453978
count down.
how many wounds are left is what me and my opponent want to keep track of.

So what is the power ranking for 8e armies

>>54454146
Do whatever you wrong (you're doing it wrong though)

>>54454057
Read 'Steel Blood'

It did the 'everybody wants to become the Iron Lord' very nice, and the orks were also done great.

>>54453995
>>54454010
>>54454149
Huh, I never really gave it any thought. Counting up is just what I did. I guess I'll start counting down now.

>>54453230
nice Well Endowed Eagle

>>54454155
wait for codex/10

>>54454156
I'm gonna take the bait - why would you say that?

>>54454185
tracking wounds dealt instead of wounds remaining is less efficient in every way and opens more chance for people to "forget" how many wounds their model has left and leave it on the board after it should have died

>>54454155
1. Guard
2. the rest of the Imperium+Chaos
3. Genestealer cults+Tyranids
4. Orks+Necrons
5. Tau

>>54454057
Correction for >>54454163 the titel of the book is Siege of Castellax

Why the fuck does BL re-use the exact same cover art for somewhat related short stories ? That shit is confusing as fuck.

>>54454194
how does it open more chance for people to "forget" how many wounds their model has left? Is one person playing the game or two?

>>54454217
Fuck off cheater

Hmm... So after a bunch of thought, as a pure dreadnought army list runner, the best use I can think of for a Redemptor is in the old distraction Carnifex role.

That is to say, run it alongside my leviathan and hope people are stupid enough to mess up their target priority shooting the okayish anti-infantry platform instead of the terrifying centrepiece model.

>>54454231
Very mature, I applaud. Take a chill pill and don't yell at me for disagreeing with your broken logic

>>54453860

Orlando

>>54453593
Jesus. Ultras LOST INITIATIVE and even after soaking up all the first turn fire that Redemptor Dread crunched two Hellbrutes (one of which charged it) in melee with 4-1 wounds and only died when G-Man made the third Hellbrute explode.

>>54454113

I can get a blowjob for way less than that though.

>>54454246
Not an argument

>>54454146
but wounds left is what you want to know and the ability to rememer wounds is irrelevant since you'd just check in the book anyway.

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>>54454038
>140 burger bucks

>>54453544
I go there! It is weird placement I like it pretty well myself.

>>54454271
Okay, so say your model is W12. Why would I start marking the wouds from getting down to 11 and having to use two dice when I just can use one dice or one token to mark the damage?

>>54454301
>what is a d12

>>54454292
What is it exactly ? Didn't try the link because assuming virus at best.

>>54454265

Weird, don't take that as statistically accurate performance.

A charging Helbrute oughta take something like 6 wounds off of it, assuming it doesn't also have a flail.

>>54454265

Looks like the battle for Konor is the slaughter you'd expect it to be

>>54454301
Spindown d20s, also not an argument

>>54454309
See the bloody difference?
Everybody everywhere marks wounds dealt, be it a local tournament, ESC or whatever...

>>54454265
And then Girlyman gets charged by a Knight, gets knocked down to 1 wound AND THEN ONE SHOTS THE FUCKING THING.

Why does this kind of powerlevel exist?!

>>54454301
>Not having D8, D10 and D20 dice

Get the fuck out of here you fake nerd

>>54454075
Please consider replying kindly

>>54454350
Not they don't, also not an argument

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>>54454331
It's the Japanese Primaris special release in blue plastic. They look good but damn that's expensive. Then again it's 40k and I should be used to this by now.

>brother Gaijun

>>54454352

For what it's worth, I've never had Bjorn fail to kill Gulliman on the charge.

Snowflake chapters won't get <>s but can pad shit with a few more relics and strategems and more importantly successor chapters.
Deathwatch however, that'll be a bit thin

>>54454352

Cause it isn't broken if it is protagonist marines

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Idk if anyone remembers me from ages back when i posted a Guilliman i did, and everyone said strip and repaint it, i've practiced a bit since then and heres a wip of some inceptors i've been working on

>>54454370
They do, jesus, I play at master-level tournaments at least thrice a year since 4 ed

>>54454382
>primaris
Woops, I'm retarded. They're regular marines.

>>54454382
call me when we get a new brother craig

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>>54454301
That's easy, if it has 12 wounds, it's not surviving getting shot by my Leviathan. Therefore there's no need to consider that problem.
> Mfw my Leviathan casually swats 24-wound models out of existence every turn.

>>54454404
total bullshit, also not an argument

>>54454401
Looking good. A wash and a highlight will do them wonders.

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Buddy cop show where a 8,573 year old veteran Leviathan dread is assigned a streetsmart rookie Redemptor partner who’s barely even 112.

>>54454428
By what logic is your way more efficent, plese explain

Do I want an airbrush compressor with a tank or one of those ninja-desk ones work fine? I assume the desk ones are louder.
Iwata Eclipse HP-CS or Badger (sotar I think is the one thats comparable). Harder and Steenbecks look really nice but maybe too $$

>>54454450
One glance tells you what you need to know vs one glance plus subtraction telling you what you need to know.

>>54454438
Well they both can relate, since both of them are in Dreads that literally kill them despite being stronger.

>>54454401

Not bad, a quick strip and repaint and they'll be tabletop standard in no time.

>>54454471
How does a leviathan / redemptor kill the lad inside?

>>54454401
Yeah I'm digging it nice progress grasshopper!

>>54454463
You need a compressor with a tank, but you don't need an expensive compressor with a tank. Just get the ones that are like 80 bucks on amazon. As far as the brush I hear Iwata is good from watching videos but I can't tell you from experience.

>>54454470
what if the model doesn't have any wounds on it, how can you tell how many wounds are left?

>>54454472
kek

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>>54454401
closer look at them separately, and criticism or tips welcome

>>54454491

The leviathan has an overactive reactor, the Redemptor has shitty life support because Cawl was more focused on mass production than quality control with it.

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>>54454500
fuck off retard

>>54454491
Leviathans have a bad habit of driving their occupants insane.

>>54454512
ad hominem is not an argument

>>54454506
Give that shit a wash in all the detail crevices if you haven't already

>>54454506
Well finish it, for one. Theres still a ton of details you missed

Can thunder hammer terminators work without transport?

>>54454438
> "NEWFAG, DID I EVER TELL YOU THE STORY OF HOW I SINGLE-HANDEDLY KILLED THREE TYRANIDS BIO TITANS?"
> YA SURE DID YOU OLD NIGGA, TWENTY TIMES
> "FUCK OFF NEWFAG, I DON'T REMEMBER A WORD OF THAT. NOW SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND PULL UP YOUR STORYTIME BLANKET."
> Meanwhile the wraithknight they were hunting skips out the backdoor of the manufactorum.

>>54454491
Leviathan dreadnoughts slowly destroy the sanity of their pilot. The sheer mental strain of being being bonded to a sentient and malicious machine spirit wears away at their sanity. Imagine if every time you tried to get some sleep at night, a serial killer was spending the whole time screaming things at you like I NEED YOU TO MURDER THE FUCKING PLANET. GET THE FUCK UP, WE AREN'T KILLING THINGS. I HAVEN'T KILLED SOMEONE IN THREE SECONDS, ACTIVATING WEAPON SYSTEMS AND TARGETTING NONCOMS. JUST FUCKING PULL THE TRIGGER SO THE MEATSACKS OVER THERE CAN DIE ALREADY.

And then try living with that dude for 8000 years.

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Imperial Fists vs Raven Guard for a pure footslogging army?

>>54454534
A command is not intended to be up for discussion. Fuck off retard.

>>54454546
yes

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>>54454506
Fuck i can already see a mold line on it, fuck I'm retarded

>>54454421

>Battle scarred but confident Felinid sororitas

Oh my god I love her? Is there more of her?

>>54454546
I'd no longer waste points on a transport for them now that they can charge after deep strike and dead transports outright killing a terminator for every 1 you roll. Just take one unit and use one CP to re-roll a charge die if you have to.

>>54453275
0/10, no nipple horns

>>54454558
Raven guard all the motherfucking deep strike and minuses to shooting them from afar.

>>54454350
no tournament I've come across has mandated count up/down wound marking.

its a decision players just donfor themselves.

in my experience most players count down, as wounds left is what we want to know.

>>54454556
>>54454524
>>54454510

Fuck that is brutal, thanks anons.

>>54454194
Or
If a model takes 3 wounds, then you put a dice set to 3 on it face up, rather than risking cheating by saying a 10 wound model has 8 wounds left.

Goddamn you kids are salty about this. Must be autism.
>COUNT DOWN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54454428
Total copout, not a valid response. Please restart and try again later.
You must be one of those kids who got bullied by not being able to count up in school, sad really.

>>54454512
>Ayyyyyyy
Stay salty sonny

>>54454546
Yes, deep strike and pray for charge range.
Or just deep strike and watch as your opponent tries to kill them.

>>54454562
>Autism speaks redux
-1/10, see me after class

Stupid question here. I used to love Stern Guard. Made use of 'em all the time. What do they do now that they have no special ammo?

LOL Space Marines Codex has a 1CP stratagem called Death To The Traitors that let's any Space Marine unit ape the CSM special rule in reverse for a turn.

They've got another one called Auspex Scan that basically copies the Taus EWO system so they can shoot stuff out-of-turn that deep strikes near them.

And another one that lets a Vehicle get a 5+ FNP against all mortal wounds for a phase.

The Konor campaign is going to be a facerape.

>>54454383
What else do you expect from Bjorn? He's been kicking ass for ten thousand years. Plot armor can't cancel out that much experience.

>>54454556

>Tech priests these days don't even know how to run regular purge cycles on a malific machine spirit's learning circuits

Twice a week and it'll maintain an average rage level of "Surly kitten".

>>54454618
shoot at things.

>>54454562
I am not a slave, I shall not be commanded by an entity whose unexceptional brain we could boil within his skull

>>54454611
>giant autistic multiquote
Great job!

>>54454113
That is what happend when you buy a box of 24 gashapons

>>54454596
Deep strike as in their ambush? New to this hobby. Bolter drill won't be too helpful? Love playing defensive style armies

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>>54454535
>>54454544
I already washed it the one time, and did a drybrush over the models, it just seems like the wash needed more coats, also yeah there are details i've missed, just don't want to go overboard with them and fuck up

>>54454611
Francis your good boy points are dwindling from this rude behavior!

>>54454500
if theres no wound counter down its still on full wounds.

>>54454640
except there's three of us already and only one of you

>>54454618
They don't need it. They have straight up AP -2 bolters with 30" range now, and a Stratagem that gives them +1 to all Wound rolls with their bolters for a turn. That means you would wound even T7 models on a 4+.

>>54454382
Never liked those huge boxes, it is pretty possible those 24 boxes to have the same fucking model.

>>54454647
Ahh well imp fists might be up your ally more ravens are sneaky gits that wanna hide until that sweet sweet alpha strike.

>>54454383
That game actually went to turn 6 and the Ultra guy only had a single Primaris squad left. Actually close, holy shit!

>>54454647
Personally I think bolter drill is fucking awesome.

>>54454611
>risking cheating by saying a 10 wound model has 8 wounds left.
but there's no risk, you'll eother both accurately remember. or you'll check and see its 10 knowing dice should be set to 7. after that no rules checking is needed as the dice on table shows whats left.

>>54453577

The series in which Horus states not once, but twice that Angron is an incompetent man-child that can't be trusted to perform even the most simple of tasks without supervision from one of his brothers?

Imperial Fist Aggressors
>Stand Still, fire twice
>Bolter Drill
>108 bolter shots from 3 guys for 129 points
Dorn would be proud

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So what is the best way to bring down girly man on the table?

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PLASTIC GREAT UNCLEAN ONE WHEN????

>>54454728
that's just insane and almost better than Kastelans

>>54454728
Uh.... no that's not how bolter drill works, m8

>>54454710
>>54454702
So for a foot slogging sort of sit and defend army would they be good? Not even a huge lore fan of the RG

So how are Levynoughts not broken?

2+ 4++ T8 W14 for that survivability.
2+ BS/WS to hit everything

8 Melta+ shots average averaging 16.8 wounds in close range against a land raider.
Grav bombard is another game entirely.

All for 16 power?

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>>54452739
Do any of the traitor primarchs still actually care about humanity? For all their power, and their strength, surely they could create the utopia that they wanted. Why hasn't Magnus made a safe haven for Psykers? Why didn't Perty make the world of beautiful world he wanted?

Why dont they prove the Emperor wrong?

>>54454764
They are broken. Don't play guys who bring bullshit FW stuff.

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Jesus fucking Christ

>>54454734

>>54454383
>>54454630

Bjorn, apparently.

>>54454756
Yeah most definitely and then on the offensive they ignore cover and blow building ups no prob. You'd prolly be into the seige/turtle lords of the SM's.

>>54454780
They've been driven insane by Chaos. They're all too far gone, the old them is dead.

Abaddon might be the only one who still cares.

>>54454764
For roughly 400 points it is a bit expensive for a dakka magnet.

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>>54454510
I find it interesting that Cawl and Resurrection Gorillaman have basically turned into the Iron Warriors. They pump out as many of these guys as they can. Each squad is armed exactly the same in order to standardize them all for maximum logistical efficiency. They're sent to their deaths with the knowledge that they're all replaceable. Now that they have Aggressors they even basically have Siege Tyrants. All they need now is for the once glory chasing Ultramarine culture to become numbed and embittered by years of grueling, unrelenting warfare.

What happens when the old marines realize that their gene-father considers them a relic of previous time? The old guard is dying and the new marines are little more than battle servitors being sent to die in the mud.

>>54454717
Still got tabled cuz Bobby G cant be beat

>>54454780
because mysterious are the ways of chaos.
That is what's tragic about the primarch, they failed, but not because they were influenced by chaos, but because they let chaos influence them

>>54454625
>LOL Space Marines Codex has a 1CP stratagem called Death To The Traitors that let's any Space Marine unit ape the CSM special rule in reverse for a turn.
The salt is going to be unreal.

>>54454787
Yaaaaaaaaaaaay more Khorne Jerk off sessions. He's totally the strongest evrar guys, even his champions are the strongest of the strongest of the strong cuz blud lel

God damn it GW, you couldn't give us a fucking book about an Alpha Legion warband without shoving that red faggot Khorne in it could you?

>>54454075
Can't speak for Primaris Marine tactics but beer bottles? You should put at least some effort into the table or there's no immersion.

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>>54454806
Perturabo was right

Imperium a shit, might makes right, and only through the use of Chaos as a weapon can true greatness be achieved.

>>54454806
>and the new marines are little more than battle servitors being sent to die in the mud.
The redpill is that all Marines were always that, and now we're getting a peak behind the Imperial Propaganda curtain that RG is in charge instead of the (((High Lords of Terra))).

>>54454796
Great doing that. Wonder how Primaris only shall turn out.

>>54454625

>And another one that lets a Vehicle get a 5+ FNP against all mortal wounds for a phase.

Is it chapter specific? Does It work on regular wounds too? I could super do with something that dials up my leviathan's turn one survivability. Just let it get in range unmolested, it's weapons will do the rest.

>>54454870
Not chapter specific, but it does say mortal wounds specifically.

>>54454201
What faction(s) you play and against what factions have you played?

>>54454806

I get the impression from the... Weirdness of Primaris units that they really aren't meant to be able to function on their own.

>>54453859
They very a lot with you Chapter tactics I think. White Scars make them pretty great since it's essentially +2 M for them and the "hit and run" is still handy even if they themselves can't shoot after falling back. Ultras are slow, but of course shooting after falling back is great, especially with flamer dudes.

On the Strategem side Sallies and Fists each have their favored Agressors too, and those abilities are good, but I think I'd rather help them get into position. Also the Fist one is a bit weak since Inceptors with Assault Bolters probably do that trick better. Similarly you can get cheeky and deep strike Agressors with Raven Guard, but Inceptors are again probably the better option for that.

>>54454865
Should be pretty good! Yellow is a pain in the ass to paint. Also the new aggressors are gonna be a hit with your new imp fists.

>>54454824
They have another one that let's them pick an infantry or biker unit to Fight twice.

They can literally steal all of the special rules from Khorne Berzerkers for a turn if they have enough CP.

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Which Sisters of Battle builds should I do for Konor?

Go full retard (yeah yeah i know, shitsers player you're already a retard) and...

500 points exact
>Inquisitor Grayfax
>5x2 Storm Troopers
>3x Death Cultists
>1x Priest
>3x Penitent Engines

or

494 points
>Canoness w/ Evisc + Inferno
>2x5 storm troopers
>5x4 sisters with 2x storm bolters each
>1x penitent

Full retard or rational field control.

In theory I could replace Penitent with one of my immolators for some AT...but at 500 points is that needed?

>>54453859
>>54454921
You can carry 5 of them in a Repulsor tank if getting them into position is your main problem.

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>>54454780
Perturabo and Alpharius (If he or Omegon are still alive) are the only one's who might. Perturabo has basically been totally withdrawn to the point where his Legion went into a civil war and he didn't even acknowledge it. However he likely hates Chaos as he never liked the idea of anyone giving him orders. The Iron Warriors themes are resilience, self sufficiency, and selfless sacrifice (Or senseless slaughter depending on how you look at it). Perturabo embodied all of these traits along with a calculating and scientific mind much like Guilliman, but turned to industrialized warfare instead of empire building. In the end none of these character traits pointing towards someone who would enslave themselves to Chaos.

The Iron Warriors as a whole seem to disdain Chaos. They cut off their mutations, don't deal with Daemons, and remain a scientific group rather than a religious one like most of their fellow traitors. Even if they aren't at all aligned with the Imperium's interests I could see the Iron Warriors smacking Abbadon down if he starts letting daemons take over the galaxy.

>>54454986
Don't embarrass yourself, bring a real army

>>54454625

Reminder to refuse play against codex rules I less you yourself have a Codex.

>>54455008
I'll bring my Primaris Marine Army. Praise Cawl.

>>54454717

As annoying as that would probably be to experience in real life watching that webm is kind of heart warming.

Is nice to see people having fun and enjoying themselves.

Do you remember fun anons?

>>54454625
Csm is getting their book is a few weeks. They'll have plenty of toys too.

>>54454986

You can do better at 500pts

>>54455034
The campaign will be halfway over in a few weeks.

>>54455014
Everyone gets the underdog feeling when they wipe the floor with them! At least the staggered release dosent give everyone to much crazy shit to process at once.

>>54454751
Every 6 to hit the model makes and additional full shooting attack. Aggressors shoot 12 times each. They're going to get a 6 in there somewhere and end up getting another 6 shots each.