Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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So the Sculptor worked 8 month on the Chaddread and said its the first step.
What do you think the variants will look like ?

>>54441620

Why is the you picture cooler than the not to worry about picture? I don't think you get how this meme is meant to go.

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3RD FOR CUTEDAR!

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>>54441620
Don't worry, we can hit the gym together!

>>54441674
>Vedros dread better than redemptor
Show me on the dreadlet chassis where nuGW touched you

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4th for fuck the sharks

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>>54441606
I must admit, the Redemptor is growing on me, especially having seen it in better colors and with open armor.
Plasma and gatling are boring gun choices, though. I'd have preferred something a little crazier.

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>>54441694
Sorry you need a ChadDread BFF membership to enter this Gym.

SM: July 29th
CSM+GK: August 19th
DG: September 23rd
T'AU+AM: October 7th
TYRANID+BA: November 11th
NECRONS+TS: December 9th

>>54441705
>So slow you turn up 6th

W E W L A D D Y.

>>54441723
>look mom, i posted my fake leak again!

>>54441723
>Look Mum I posted it again!

>>54441730
Dont you have some MLP Space Marines to paint ?

>>54441620
> dreadlets
When will they learn?

>>54441674
The new legs are pretty cool. The rest of the model is bad though.

>>54441620
To be fair, that's the black reach dread, which looks like ass in comparison to the real boxnaught

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>>54441720
I know this guy.

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>>54441735

Is there anything better than a balanced list in 8th? So far I've been smashing face with a good varied force of IG (loving actually being able to use my collection) but a lot of folks in my local meta are all about spamming "the best" units. They actually are actively trying to convince me that I'm wrong and I'm only winning because guard are op at the moment.

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I'm trying to make a full squad of 30 boyz. The boss Nob with the choppa and the rest with shoota.

I want to do a mission which the IG lost an important part of the city and have to do a last stand to defend the last part they're in while space marines are trying to get back their armour the Orks stole.

Any suggestions for what rules I should use? Was thinking of making it a 2000pts game. Orks get a major victory if they hold onto the armour and capture the last part of the city. Minor if they only complete half of their mission while the imperium gets major if they return the armour and defend their city and minor if they only complete half of the mission.

>>54441720
> sorry marinelet you need to be this tall to be chapter master
The future?

>>54441699

It's an older model sir, but it checks out.

(Just drill the barrels and the smokestacks, it's basically fine and you can get it real cheap)

>>54441705
>manlets
When will they learn, that isn't even a chad-terminator.

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>>54441620
>>54441720

Hey guysss i'm here...what'ss going on in thissss thread...?

>>54441694
Never ssskip leg day, brother...or arm day. Or any day for that matter...you need to get sswole as fuck is what i'm ssaying....

>>54441719

Melta would have supported it's overall profile better, given it a linebreaker role.

>>54441748
> no no anon I'M 5'8", not 5'6"!!
When will they learn?

>>54441764
Do the arms on this one come on pegs like the ven dread? I need a few more chassis for my 10 dread list.

>>54441772
He clearly didn't skip shoulder and hand day.

>>54441620
The Night Lords dread should be her "cousin" (quotes included), or her co-worker, or her friend. Her brother being turbo-chad doesn't really mean much from a cuck perspective.

>>54441777
>shit taste

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>>54441790
>hand day

>>54441753
Orks will be at a major disadvantage if they have to conquer a guard gun line to win. I played a 2000 point game last night guard vs orks and I only lost a quarter of my army while the orks got tabled. You probably want a game where the guard have to advance a fair bit to win. Maybe a battle over a objective in the middle of the table?

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>dread knights aren't marinelets guys

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>>54441799
REEE! STOP USING MY PEPES!

>>54441753
Isn't there a mission like that anyway? Defend the Relic or some shit? Just modify that. I don't have my book on me right now.

>>54441799
>Not doing a grip strength day where you carry weights suspended from towels held between your thumb and fingers

>>54441779
The black reach dreadnought's arm mounts are the same, but a slightly different size to the regular dread/ven dread.

Which is a shame, because short of converting or pinching the part from the space wolf kit it's the only way of getting multi-melta dreadnoughts.

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>>54441810
>tfw gay knights will always be manlets

>>54441814
sounds more like crippling carpel tunnel gains day

>>54441808
I can make it so the battle just happened and the Orks are still advancing up so the guards have units scattered around the map or the guards are reinforments trying to protect the center of the map. Only guards can secure the objective while sm are only able to get the armour back.

Any idea how I can make it work fluff wise because I know sm would never pet their armour fall into the hands of the enemy.

>>54441775
I'd also have accepted a mortar or a quad laser.

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>>54441808
Or you play on european boards

>>54441824
but you can grasp things so hard!

>>54441814
>>54441824
>Not just masturbating furiously for 9 hours to your Diasnettes /Keeper of secrets and calling it hand day

>>54441752
For Guard a balanced list will trump anything else you'd do (well sans-russes, artilery or hellhounds do their job better, and maybe just taking nothing but FW vultures would also do pretty well), other armies do things differently, all the storm ravens and the minimum required other units is marines best build for instance.

>>54441810
Will gk get updated models?? When the fuck is the codex coming???

>>54441779

The pegs are a different size, but if you're willing to do permanent attachment it's a trivially easy conversion to do an arm swap. Mine has a forge world close combat arm.

>>54441818

You can buy multi-meltas from forge world anon.

>>54441836
It's one of the first 4 codex releases, calm your tits you inpatient shitter.

>>54441851
Gibe leak now

>>54441834
Beating off isn't actually great for your grip strength.

>>54441851
>First xenos codex when

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>>54441862
New Dreadknight

Posting again here, building a mechanicus list out of the following:

Vanguards
Infiltrators
Cawl
Dominus
Kastelans & a datasmith
Dragoons
Dunecrawlers

What should i add, if anything, to cover eventual weaknesses? I really think the khataphrons look ugly as sin and from what i hear they're not too essential.

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Rate my list.
Tournament is primarily killpoints, No FW, max 2 detachments.

>>54441862
You are the person who was asking for an epub of AoS Skirmish two weeks before it was released, aren't you?

>>54441874
just field mass antiair from your onager thing and win

>>54441752
Guard armies are op and undercosted by anywhere from 10-30%.
On the other hand, those people are mongoloids who fell for shitty memes, so fuck what they have to say.

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>>54441878

>>54441867
Then we'll call it 'Dick day'

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>>54441620
I love the new dreads but why the fuck does nuGW have a hard-on for ""dynamic"" poses with the fucking arm and fingers hanging out like he's about to pull out a revolver out of his holster at high noon? Pic related.

>>54441882
>caring about ded gaems

>>54441869
10e, all xenos armies fit into one 40 page codex with a 5 page fluff booklet detailing how they die to conscripts.

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>>54441890
I love shooting conscripts block with 66d3 hits with 3 Leviathan.
Long live the memes

>>54441869
>they release a codex for the shitty space manlet baby carrier subfaction instead of something actually interesting aka xenos

>>54441902
Hey man, AoS Skirmish was nearly good. Shame GW didn't write a campaign system for it that actually did what people want a campaign to do.

>>54441900
IS THIS BARREL PRE-DRILLED ?

>>54441958
Since Aoshitmar is dead, aos skirmish must be deader than dead

>>54441900
I hate those mid stride poses they look bizarre with marines in power armour, like they are about to fall over

>>54441969
>Since Aoshitmar is dead

Got anything to back that up or are you a WHFBtard that lost his thread?

>>54441956

Those are only killing like 36 points worth of models each.
And any smart player actually running memescripts would focus those 18" weapons down first

>>54441983
>whfb
deadest game

>>54441969
It was born dead because the campaign didn't supported exactly 2 players playing exactly 6 games played in a specific sequence with only the last game counting for anything.

>>54441900

No idea.
I wish they'd just pose all their models like they're in the middle of shooting or fighting, so i don't have a tabletop full of marines strutting around, tyranids doing a mating ritual, and necrons crab walking

>>54441984
You kill 110 conscripts per turn with this. so you render 3 full squad of conscript nearly useless per turn.
Only like 10 guys in the world would field more than 3x50 conscripts.
They also infiltrate thanks to Ravenguards :^)

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>>54441620
I don't know, but I did make this.

>>54441734
>>54441730
> I clapped. I clapped when I saw it!

>>54442012
the thing is that 150 conscripts are fucking expensive.
I got my 2 leviathan from chinaman for like 18 each arms included.

>>54442012

>You kill 110 conscripts per turn with this.
How do you figure?

>>54441983
He's one of the resident shitposters, just ignore him.

>>54441869
You realize that there's a high probability it will be written by cruddace, right? Guy responsible for the last 2 tyranid codexes.

Why would you want to hasten the coming of something like that. The longer we wait the more likely he'll die.

>>54442041
>I want to WAAC so I buy illegal moulds from recasters
>I AM HELPING THIS BUSINESS! JUST LIKE WHEN I PIRATE MY VIDYA JAMES

Don't reply.

>>54442048
each leviathan vs 50 conscript
each 50pts grab flux does d3 + 10d3 hits
so 11d3 hits per arms so on average 22 shots per arm
Bs2+ means 18.3333 hits and S9 Ap-5 means approx 15.21 conscripts killed per arms.

3 leviathans means 6 arms

>>54441983
In my local area AoS is pretty fucking dead. Barely anyone ever plays it. The bigger question is whether or not it is more dead than WHFB was before AoS came out, because nobody played that shit at all. I do not know how representative this is of things in general.

>>54441873
supersized pop? more like supersized poop! :DDDDDDDDDD

>>54442078
Buying bad quality stuff instead of chinaman is rather dumb.

>>54442090
If we go on actual stats, WHFB didn't get into Top 5 for wargame sales. AoS is currently 4th. So, AoS is doing better than WHFB. That's just facts. In my area? It's played way more than WHFB ever was. But 40k is still king. Though I've not been since 8th, so who knows.

>>54442014
"your crush" should be an eldar wraith

>>54442041
Which chinaman and how long did your order take? I need some things and don't know which chinaman is currently clearing orders at a decent rate.

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Why is this unit so good?
27D3 attacks when charging!

>>54442119
not him but just order on miranda irene.
its more expensive but the stuff comes within 2 weeks and is always 10/10

>>54442099
>GW makes moulds
>LOL IMMA GONNA BUY FROM LE CHINKY MAN
>GW makes moulds for factions which sell despite people like you buying from illegal sellers
>OMG WHY IS GW SUPPORTING X FACTION MORE THAN MINE? :(((( FUCKING GW!!!

Which is, once again, the same logic that /v/ uses by saying they're 'helping' the industry by not buying X game because 'it's shit', forgetting normies buy it and encourage them to make more of it.

If you're buying shit to practice on or convert, fine. But buying your main army from china is literally detrimental to your faction as GW don't see it getting sales. It's the SoB Paradox. People don't buy SoB because it's crap and overexpensive, so GW doesn't think it sells, so GW doesn't update them, so people don't buy them.

>>54442088

>Bs2+ means 18.3333 hits
They take -1 to hit from moving and shooting heavy weapons.
Conscripts outrange them, so they pretty much have to.

>and S9 Ap-5 means approx 15.21 conscripts killed per arms.
So taking that into account, you're looking at about 12.

And the very next round after you shoot, they ARE going to charge you, since your 270 point models can't run from melee and shoot.

>>54442122
they are basically berzerkers for imperium, almost exactly the same killyness
they are great though

>>54442014
>no babycarrier
Missed opportunity.

>>54442106
>WHF didn't got to top sales
Ok you have no idea what you are talking about.

6th WHF kept GW running, then GW decided it was a good idea to shoot themselves, then blame the consumers about the bleeding.

>>54442143
no need to move Ravenguard makes me infiltrate.
You think i cannot kill the last 3x12 conscript with THE WHOLE REST OF THE ARMY ?
Its 3 leviathan, not the whole army bro

>>54442143
couldnt he just like, get anything else to shoot at the scraps left ?
Even tacticals should do it.

>>54442131
I need some hyper specific shit. I know I can get it from Z or CCON but Z is sometimes processing orders very slowly and there seems to be something up with CCONs site.

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>>54442155
WHFB wasn't even in Top 5 in 2013, anon.

>>54442141
Buying from china sure is detrimental to Space Marines...

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>>54442155
>6th WHF kept GW running

>>54442155
>proof chicken

>>54442156

>You think i cannot kill the last 3x12 conscript with THE WHOLE REST OF THE ARMY ?
>Its 3 leviathan, not the whole army bro
That's really amusing, because before I brought up all these facts, you were perfectly happy to compare them in a vacuum

>no need to move Ravenguard makes me infiltrate.
That will just make it easier for the conscripts to tarpit you into a corner though, so why do it?

Anything gets into melee with those things, and its at least 1 lost turn of shooting, while you try and get units over to rescue them.

>>54441983
Pretty dead where I am, no one plays it at my LGS.
Hell there's new players purchasing Fantasy models so they can play 8th edition Fantasy Battles.

>>54442152
didn't know what to call it
i did however consider adding a stompa and calling it her trashcan

>>54441753
>wasting money on Orks now instead of just waiting on their Primorkis replacements

You're throwing your money away! Orklets will be squatted this time next year!

>>54442141
Anon, SoB sell. They sell enough to run ouf of stock. Even with stuff like $14 burgers for a single model with heavy Bolter
GW is just being retarded at this point, third parties are making money with the market GW has left to rot.


On a side note you do not seem to know why people say chinaman is better. This comes comes from FW products only. Due to how FW works and how recaster works.

>>54442155
Look, I like WHFB as much as the next guy, but from 5th onwards, 40k raped WHFB. Hate AoS all you want, but it's doing better than 6th, 7th and 8th WHFB.

>>54442155
>6th WHF kept GW running
I wasn't sure if there was something below an outright lie on the scale of factual accuracy, but this is some new kind of thing. It's like anti-truth.

>>54442202
>6th
God damn it, meant 5th. But nevermind. GW basically blame the consumer for their failing product.

>>54442204
WHFBtards are that delusional. I wish they stayed in their containment thread where they can circle-lie to each other.

>>54442155
> alternate facts
Trump voter detected.

So I tried buying from mirandairene but was forced into using Western union, which I am not comfortable with. The site clearly states paypal was an option but I can't see it anymore, anyone know anything about this?

>>54442228
Can't fault them if they see people constantly buying their flaming shit, and logically expect the same people to buy more flaming shit.

>>54441873
Funko Pop shit is like the normie version of GW models.
I know people who drop thousands of dollars on that stuff and freak out when new ones are released for their favorite movie/comic/character/etc.
Pretty much how like we freak out when new stuff is released for our factions

>>54442099
Where can I find Chinamans website?

>>54441874
Kataphron destroyers, at least one squad of three. They're not too expensive points-wise and put out a shit load of damage.

>>54442236
That whole thread belongs on /vg/. All they do is talk about Total War anyway.

>>54442261
There are many chinamen, most don't have websites, the process of ordering from them is esoteric, slightly dubious and treated as a sektit klub by many.

>>54442187
huh? theyll just die to the overwatch

>>54442238
>Trump voter detected.
nothing wrong with being a trump voter. Shit, he got elected and look what happened-- 40k was made great again

>>54442271
>falling for the cuckafron meme

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>>54442280
How do I join the club?

>>54442238
I voted for Trump and I am offended that you compared me to a WHFBtard.

t. Kids that didn't play when GW at least pretended to care.

How are the new cash grab marines treating you all?

>>54442283

Not unless the unit is like literally 5 models.

>>54442301
Stop being a namefag.

>>54442312
bro I think you didnt even read up the Leviathan data before trolling.
there's 2 heavy flamer per leviathan near their dicks.

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>>54442306
I dunno, my legion hasn't gotten any yet.
Ask again in a month. I optimistically hope

>>54442306
They're treating me well, really easy to paint with their larger surfaces, and so easy to put together!

Actually the last bit's a lie (well, even more of a lie). The snapfit primaris are surprisingly fiddly to put together.

>>54442301
You don't. Recaster ask not share their information.

Or just ask Reddit, the fucks who get mad when you call them out in their illegal shit

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>>54442301
https://www.reddit.com/r/yoyhammer/

'ere you go

I need some help building a 1k list using as few models as possible while still remaining somewhat competitive, I just need to actually get my foot in the door and start playing at my local store while I work on my main army. Any faction is fine

>>54442325
Whoops!
Made a terrible joke with that before.
Forgot to take it off.

>>54442328

Those kill like an extra 3-4 models each, assuming they are able to fire at all.
If the unit charges from more than 8 inches away, the flamers do nothing.

Gorkanaut(or Morkanaut) versus getting a stompa. Repost of a question from last thread. Heard the gorkanaut was good but the stompa was overpriced in points for it's performance, that true?

>>54442339
>>54442338
Thanks!
Never been to reddit before.
Exciting!

>>54442338
>that feel when you use recasts in official GW stores.

hue.

>>54442339
>using gargoyles
for what possible purpose

>>54442340
Magnus and a Knight.

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>>54442288
>>54442302

>>54442357
It's pretty fucking terrible, and be prepared to trawl around all over the place looking for information only to find out it's horribly outdated.

>>54442348
of course you make <20% charges.
I mean Im autoloosing against you since you could btfo a warhound titan in 1 turn of shooting with 30 conscripts.

God IG fags are the worst.
pic of your 150 painted conscripts ?

>>54442362
because they're funky models.

i used to play all stormravens but shitters on this thread bitched about "waacfag" or something so I'm trying something else.

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How many marinefags and chaosfags would get piss if I run some SoB for testing as chaos marines?

Since my old Celestine is rather small and I found a bunch of old Diaz demons I'm tempted to try some chaos just for shit and giggles.

>>54442358
i use recast knights at Warhammer World fite me faggit

>>54442385

I'm guessing by the terrible grammar and typos, that English isn't your first language, or you have special education needs.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/21/chapter-focus-the-imperial-fists-crimson-fists-and-black-templars-july21gw-homepage-post-3/

frustrating
though imperial fists have a good warlord trait

>>54442395
heh.

anyone noticed anything ever?

>>54442403
To be fair most English speaking countries do not even speak proper English. The assburgers are constantly misspelling words like "colour"

>>54442338
Not him but I just want to buy Juan Diaz Daemonettes.
I tried to ask reddit, and I spent an hour googling and looking through catalogues, and I even sent an email to an address I found after hours of googling.
I guess he must be making enough money but I'd still like to buy those daemonettes off him.
>>54442391
Nickname your Celestine/Chaos Lord Miriael Sabathiel and you'll be fine.

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>>54442403

>>54442173
What the fuck does non-collectible miniatures mean?

>>54442411
Fuckers at GW thought old marines from 2nd were some third party shit.

Hell some even think GW released a batch of Finecast SoB. They are fucking clueless.

>>54442242
you have to email her after and then you'll get to pay through paypal

>>54442440

I couldn't even understand your first point, and the rest was just shitposting.

>>54442453
Miniatures used for reasons outside of collecting, like warming for example

>>54442471
Kind of makes sense I guess, still sounds stupid as there is definately a collecting element in wargaming.

And now I want warming miniatures.

>>54442471
>warming
Fug I meant wargaming

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>>54442453
It is most likely fake information. It was constantly shown during AoS craze to justify their stupid rules.
Anyone has the compilation of those abomination?

Have some old lore that has been reuse. Fucking Xeno lovers.

>>54442484
Collectable miniatures generally have no use outside of collecting them for sets, while non collectables have other uses, yes you CAN just collect them, but it's not their intended purpose

>>54442410
>1CP for 50% to deny psychic power

Pretty broken desu

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>Redemptor dread going on pre-order tomorrow

Oh boy. Gonna get me sum conversion work done.

Do you know what is shit? you can no longer use grenades in close combat. This makes my ass sad

Anyone here used stencils and/or know of any lettering stencils small enough for the scrolls on Space marine shoulders?

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>>54442410
Yeah, this seems pretty amazing.

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>>54442530
So the marine version of Dva?

>>54442530
>Redemptor dread going on pre-order tomorrow
Source?

>>54442564
Gw on multiple streams + Warhammer community website + their facebook

>>54442453
A collectible miniatures game typically uses pre-built, pre-painted miniatures and often sell miniatures in random blister packs and shit, for example Monsterpocalypse. Essentially the hobby aspects are not present.

>>54442530
what is this shitty photoshop on the sarcophagus on the right ?

>>54442564

We've known since early last week and known for sure since last Friday.

>>54442256
What fucking playerbase are you thinking of?

Every single new thing which has been released for any of my factions, ever, has recieved nothing but scorn.
>Riptide
Cheesy Shitsuit
>All superheavies
Welcome to Apoc
>Tempestus Scions
Sturmtroopers.
>Exalted Sorcerors
Lel mutants
>Bullgryns
'Kay they're cool
>Tzaangors
Repurposed AoS chaff.
>Breachers
5" cumshots

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Is Camodread the best Dread Scheme ?

>>54442593
X-wing are pre-built pre-painted.

Collectible miniature are shit like amiibo or random miniature pack that give you a hundred duplicate and never the one you want.

Can chaddreads be used by Deathwatch?

>>54442629
nazidread is

>>54442638
>ebay

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>>54442530
>Redemptors

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>>54442507
>>54442549
>mfw crimson fists
if this means CF get a bonus to melee when outnumbered, this isnt great.

>>54442629
All I see is a piston-operated dildo for glorious surprise buttsecks upon the enemy.

>>54441890
I'd agree that the infantry is too cheap for how effective it is. Everything else seems pretty fair though. Having 100+, actually somewhat effective guardsmen clogging up the table for 400-500 points makes all the rest of the army far more effective.

>>54442683
Even bloody veterans are good considering their plasma guns can no longer explode randomly.

>>54442256
No funkopop is the normie version of Nendoroid and similar japshit.

>>54442621
All the other Thousand Sons models were received extremely positively. Haven't seen much bad about the new Death Guard either.

>>54442714
People are hating on the new death guard tank pretty hard tho. Mostly because all the pictures we've seen have been from the front, which doesn't exactly do favours for a creamy white paintjob.

>>54442640
No they're not.

>>54442714
>Haven't seen much bad about the new Death Guard either.
the new DG is a good laugh to paint, pity the rules are a bit shit for all of the uniques though

>>54442638
I have no idea why x-wing isn't considered a collectible miniatures game, presumably because FFG doesn't call it one. But games like monpoc, heroclix, mutant chronicles etc are examples of collectible miniatures games and the creators will describe them that way themselves.

Getting random shit you don't want in a foil pack isn't the defining feature, but it is a thing sometimes. It's also fucking dumb.

>>54442758
Marine stop being interesting around 4th. What did you expect?

>>54442549
>against attacks with a AP of -1
>not 0, not -2, not -3 or anything else, just -1
???

>>54441752
>Is there anything better than a balanced list in 8th?
the competetive meta right now is headed for:
>flyer spam
>conscripts spam (generally hordes)
>smite spam
>razorback spam

>>54442773
"non-collectable" just means that there is an official game you can play with them, like 40k or X-wing

>>54442780
>Marine stop being interesting around 4th.
for u

>>54442507

It makes me kinda jealous as a SOB player. That is WAY better than Shield of Faith.

>>54442758
That and all the pictures have been quite low Res which is even worse for such a low contrast colour scheme.

But all the models that have actually been released have been positively received.

Most of the Ad Mech range has also been positively received, main exception being the dorky robots. Harlequins were also quite well liked.

>>54441620
>Chaddread

The proper term is Pregnought.

>>54442795
Well.. yes ?
It means you got a 2+ against ap 0 and ap-1 but do not counter seriously penetrating weapons

>>54442563
Tau are a mistake.

>>54442795
Basically, it makes AP-1 weapons into AP0 if you're in cover, so you sit there with a 2+ save against those weapons.

>>54441956
except as you kill things they become less effective and the math on those really isn't that great. you'd be better off with stormravens, vultures, or taurox primes.

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>>54442827
No it's the HGHnought.

>>54442851
>stormravens
no thanks, i'll just wait for the Chadraven

>>54442807
That's nonsensical, since collectible miniatures games exist and obviously all have official games associated with them.

>>54442851
In my meta stormraven and flying circus doesnt cut it anymore since everyone and their mother is fielding hydras and antiair

>>54442866
>It's a stormraven with double the weapons and half the points cost!

>>54441606
Contemptors still look better.

>>54442835
It means it has absolutely no effect.

Before taking it in to account.
against ap0 power armour has a 1+ save die to having +2 to their save from cover, becomes 2+ because 1s always fail.
Ap-1 gives them a 2+
Ap-2 gives them 3+

so 2+ 2+ 3+ becomes... 2+ 2+ 3+

>>54442889
I mean going by all the Primaries rules so far it'll be 1.5 times the power for 1.8 times the cost.

>>54442795
herpderp. better than nothing i suppose.

>>54442911
>against ap0 power armour has a 1+ save
wrong

>>54442835
>>54442849
while ignoring their cover. it's thematic but not super-powerful.

>>54442913
Thats before the Primaris codex.
Just you wait a bit

Can't decide which Chapter Tactics to give to my Successors

This is partially because I'm not a powergaming faggot and don't want to pick "the best" one, and partially because I still haven't decided how to build my primaris force because it's all so bloody expensive in terms of points

I know footslogging isn't a great choice, but Raven Guard and Iron Hands would do fairly well with this, and might mitigate not using their only (inevitably incredibly expensive) transport, if I'm correct? These two would also encourage fair use of Reivers (RG) and Redemptor (IH) I think?

>>54442881
well, hydras vs stormraven spam isn't going to do much of anything, but there are hard counters like the flying nurgle prince list. I was talking about the most effective way to kill conscript blobs per point though.

it's better to take sabre searchlight platforms and use them with normal lascannon heavy weapon teams or use dreadnought with lascannons (or overcharged drop plasma ig) than hydras, at least that's what I remember last time i worked it out.

>>54442946
Just get a random scheme like >>54442629 and try out each tactics once

>>54442911
If you have a +2 from Cover with a base save of 3+, it is:

AP0 = 2+
AP-1 = 2+
AP-2 = 3+
AP-3 = 4+
AP-4 = 5+

versus
AP0 = 2+
AP-1 = 3+
AP-2 = 4+
AP-3 = 5+
AP-4 = 6+

without the additional +1 Cover.


4+ against Plasma is pretty all right.

>>54442943
Whatever helps you justify blowing all your money on chads.

These were brand new models so there was no reason not to make them OP from day 0 but they consciously chose to make them mediocre.

>>54442807
By Mage Knight, Heroclix, D&D minis, etc were all sold principally for games playing.

>>54442974
And considering how big the jump is from 6+ to 5+ in terms how many saves you will actually make, this protects you from melta and shit decently well too. 1/3 Marines saved from melta shots is quite a jump from 1/6.

>>54442549
i feel like that would have made more sense as a chapter trait

Reposting this from the Your Dudes thread

If space marines recruit at age 10-12 how the hell do they judge if you are exceptional or not? Like kill a superwolf naked as your trial exceptional. Doesn't it make better since to run it like a military academy & just take the top percent? That way you are getting a range of decent tier kids & as they grow yout just keep taking from the top percent to take to the next stage? Betting on a 10 year old to hit puberty right & say, gain height & weight that makes a difference just doesn't make since. Sure, when dealing with adults becoming marines you should only take the crazy amazing ones, but if you start at 10-12 it's mostly just grooming them for the role & not because they are inherently amazing right?

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>>54442975
>new models are OP meme
Deathmarks, Gorkanauts, Succubus, Exocrines and loads of other shit was new once and was dog shit. Sick of this.

>>54443030
Seems a little too strong for that, I think having it centred on the leader is better.

>>54442974
>>54442995
Except it doesn't give you a +2 due to Cover. It effectively just reduces AP-1 (and ONLY AP-1) to AP0.

Which is great vs mass dakka of Heavy Bolters / Autocannons which lets IF have a 2+

>>54442549
Time to buy ALL THE FORTIFICATIONS

>>54442975
Whatever.
You dont understand anything about marketing.
Making the chads op day1 would have 90% of the playerbase screeching.
By including them now and being not so much better they let SMfags buy them before going full on Primaris in a year

>>54443044
Either they have some way of consistently telling "this, this is worthy of becoming an initiate" or it's part of how actually, the process IS inefficient and stupid. They would be better served not doing it that way, but dare not change it.

>>54442974
>>54442995

except it specifies that it's only against ap -1
so it turns into
AP0 = 2+
AP-1 = 2+
AP-2 = 4+
AP-3 = 5+
AP-4 = 6+
it's a rather useless trait that won't even effect most factions since most standard infantry weapons that are gonna be shooting at the marines are ap- anyway

>>54443044
It's the same shit as how Spartans did it. Believe it or not, a 10 year old is strong and only gets stronger because of puberty. That's why their training is best to start at that age so they can build up exponentially and by the time they hit puberty they will train even better when their bodies natural growth hormone kicks in

>>54443047
I want you to read my post again and this time more carefully.

>>54443049
>seems a little to strong for that
>RG,WS and UM exist

>>54443056
>>54443075
Awwww shit, you are perfectly correct. I only skimmed the text, herp a derp. My bad.

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>>54443083
I did. You said consciously made them mediocre; as in they could have made them OP. BUT GW HAS RARELY MADE NEW MODELS OP. Wraithknights and Riptides are all I can think of.

>>54442866
>Chadraven
8 Assault cannon
2 Avenger gatling canon
Can deepstrike ChadDread

>350points

Calling it right know

>>54443090
Lets wait and see what their warlord traits are before getting worked up.

I think IF, RG, WS, UM, and Salamanders are all pretty decent, they just favour different niches, as they should.

>>54443068
That really doesn't make much sense, if the rules are mediocre then most people won't buy them and then when they amp the power it'll be no different to if they had been OP from the start.

Honestly GW have released plenty of very mediocre rules for new Space Marine models in the past, and Space Marines are always quite mediocre in almost every edition. In 7th all they had going for them was gravis and a couple of formations.

Primaris will be entirely unremarkable because GW doesn't actually put much thought into their rules.

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What are some good loadouts for this old timer?

>>54443132
>if the rules are mediocre then most people won't buy
Not him but ask your FLGS if primaris arent selling like hotcakes...

>>54442974
you only have the additional +1 against AP-1 though. so:
AP0 = 2+
AP-1 = 2+
AP-2 = 4+
AP-3 = 5+
AP-4 = 6+

versus

AP0 = 2+
AP-1 = 3+
AP-2 = 4+
AP-3 = 5+
AP-4 = 6+
for other chapters

>>54443134
Missle/ lascannon. Set him up backfield and enjoy popping vehicles

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>>54443134

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>tfw not sure If I wanna buy an IG army with a Knight ally or a Blood Angels army with Sanguinary Guard and Death Company troops for my first list

>>54443117
WS and UM have a chapter wide "ignore the basic rules"
RG cut the effectiveness of any bs4+ army's shooting by 33% and they can pretty much guarantee a first turn while they deploy 9 inch away from the enemy, ( unless they faq that the units deployed with that strategem need to be placed in reserves or some shit)

>>54443103
>they could have made them OP
>they rarely do

These aren't mutually exclusive in any way, besides the original argument was about making Primaris OP in the new codex.

Also there was the Ghostkeel.

>>54443132
except it does. you can cook a frog without him jumping out by heating the water slowly to boiling point.

>>54443165
>RG cut the effectiveness of any bs4+ army's shooting by 33%
thats the real deal right here

>>54443132
>if the rules are mediocre then most people won't buy them

People will buy them because they're new, or because they like the look of them.

As the other anons been telling you, most new releases arent that overpowered, because they don't need to be to sell new models.

>>54442698
Though you probably will want to overcharge them anyway as you need plasma to deal with heavy infantry. Though the reroll 1s order makes it very safe to do that. Guard can deal with everything very cheaply, lasguns and flamers for light and medium targets, plasma for heavy and lascannons for armour. All super cheap and in mass. It's a good time to be a normal human.

Don't forget that you can probably pick your Warlord Trait. If enemy packs a lot of -1 and you plan on sitting in cover, get that trait.

Otherwise get something else.

>>54442273
Well its the only good WHF property, so yeah.

And I'm not counting AoS because that's it's own thing and better than WHF.

>>54443148
They honestly aren't selling all that well in any of my LGSs, most people buying the starter sets are doing it for Death Guard and all the local listings for model trades are clogged with Primaris marines no one wants.

>>54443195
Where do you live ? Im in Paris and desesperatly looking to get Primaris on the cheap and everyone is selling DG

>>54443162
I'd go Blood Angels, easier to collect and paint and will probably see a Codex sooner. Also easy enough to add a Knight into the mix, then build up the guard over time.

>>54443170
Actually that's not true, put a frog in slowly heating water and it'll jump out when the temperature hits 25 °C.

>>54443195
what kind of backwards place do you live in that dg are selling more than primaris ?
my store is full of people starting primaris and like 2 nurgle players who are rubbing their hands buying everything on the cheap

>>54443174
Right so you're agreeing with me then, they have no reason to make Primarines OP in the new codex.

>>54442629
Does that thing have Dangles and smurf markings?

>>54443205
>>54443224
It seems something about cold climate makes people play Xenos and Chaos.

>>54443195
the fuck so you live ? in london I can get the DG part for £10 but good fucking luck having the primaris part.
My 3 DG part are unsold since day1

Alright anons, what kind of Strategem would you like for your army?

>>54443162
BA should be getting a new codex around Nov is the Devastation of Baal book is anything to go by.

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>>54441606
Hey, so official GW rules writer; we're looking for some intresting things we could put in the 2017 chapter approved. Anything is appreciates!

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>>54443217

Do people run Knights in BA armies? Is it decent?

>>54442261
1. Google: Yoyhammer
2. Do some research.
3. ???
4. Profit!

>>54443261

I play SOB so:

>Something to allow negating psyker powers to help the poor psychic defences the faction has/line up with fluff.
>One to improve random shot weapons (As Exorcists and Flamers are both a major part of it)
>Something to allow conversion of CP to Faith Points.

>>54443289
Long range firepower to supplement your blitz kreig. Or they target the knight and your troops get through.

>>54443236
are we talking the Space Marine codex coming out soon, or some hypothetical Primaris codex later?

If the latter, then I could see them buffing them at that point to reel in the power gamers that didn't purchase them previously, but not in the Space Marine codex, no.

>>54443261

>Unholy Fury 3CP
Choose a friendly unit. For the remainder of the current phase, change all weapons Damage from D3 to 3 and D6 to 3+D3. Increment all other weapons Damage by 1.

>>54443289
I don't know, but I don't see why not. Knights are a decent splash in most imperial forces and they're easy enough to justify fluff wise.

>>54443162
Wait on the Blood Angels.

YOU'RE BEING REPLACED

>>54443157

Don't give bad advice bro, if you want to run a shooty dread of that type go mortis and take quad las or two missiles and cyclone missile.

Even better, consider Contemptor Mortis options too.

>>54442391
MOD...
>Image.jpg
Carry on.

>>54443292
Most of the info is outdated as fuck, many recasters refuse to accept new emails and it can be difficult to get shit done.

>>54443269
Chapter or Regiment builder, or just more of both.

Gue'vesa and other Tau auxiliaries.

Neutral faction stuff, or weird beasts, sort of like was in some of the older stuff.

Options for weird mercenary detachments, like Blood Axes for other factions.

>>54443346
>just be a waacfag bro
K

>>54443195
Berlin here.
Not. a single primaris half to be found. and when you find them its acrually more than 50% of the price of the box.

Where can I order all those primaris that do not sell ?

>>54443103
>Wraithknights and Riptides are all I can think of.

Wraithknights weren't even THAT OP on release as they were MCs.

It was 7e codex that transformed the Wraithknight to a GC that made it OP.

>>54443261

Iron Warriors

>Preparatory bombardment: 1+CP

>At the start of your first movement phase you may spend any number of command points to bombard that many enemy units (a unit may only be bombarded once). The selected unit(s) immediately suffers D6 str8 ap-2 d2 hits. When rolling battle shock at the end of phase wounds caused by these attacks are counted as double.

>>54443261
Fire on my target 2 cp
select a unit to which a friendly astra militarum OFFICER can draw line of sight. for the remainder of the shooting fase any weapon that rolls a random amount of shots , do not roll a dice , instead the maximum number of shots are fired. not that you must still roll to hit

>>54442131

I'm not going to call her 10/10, but her quality is on the better end of things.

>>54443394
Wait 8 days, most of their new kits will be out by then.

>>54443400

>Wraithknights weren't even THAT OP on release as they were MCs
They were a lot cheaper then too, and benefitted from the shitty cover system.

>>54443292
How long does it take for shipping? The ebay recasters are always posted at around 2 to 3 weeks.

>>54443302
>Something to allow negating psyker powers to help the poor psychic defences the faction has/line up with fluff.

Either you get the copy-pasta of Black Templar's to deny on 4+

Or

1CP. Your shield of faith deny is increased to 2d6 instead of 1d6.

>>54441823
GK are the next codex after basic marines. Do you honestly think they aren't going to get primaris dudes?

>>54443411
* for the remainder of the shooting fase any weapon that rolls a random amount of shots and targets the marked unit , do not roll a dice

>>54443373

Identifying the key wimpy options on a unit with a lot of options isn't WAAC, it's common sense.

No missiles or plasma on boxy dreads, unless on a Mortis which can go quad missile after the FAQ.

>>54443426
About the same, 2-3 weeks! Usually you get tracking info too

>>54443421
Not answering where is the place where literraly no one want Primaris Half and DG Half sold for their weight in gold

>>54442256
Funko pops scare the shit out of me.
They're not cute, they have beady little eye and massive square heads.

Why anyone would collect them is beyond me. They're awful reskinned horrors.

>>54443425
True. But couldn't stomp. Split fire, didn't have a FNP, wasn't immune to ID. And didn't have any Str. D weapons.

I mean the Tyranidbro used Toxicrenes to murder them in melee
(I6 > I5 so it always attacks first. Poisoned 2+ and any 6s were ID.)

The Wraithknight (MC) was a a more durable Wraithlord with 12" move.

Good? Yes
OP? Hell no.

>>54441869
Ynnari and Asuryani are probably going to come relatively soon.

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So can you guys actually explain how the war game works to a noob?

All I've gathered is that people roll dice for buffs or something. Is there tactics and positioning that plays a roll?

Run me through the summary of a typical game, please.

>>54443496
Go watch a battle report.

>>54443439
They won't.
Their plastic kits are still good.
Would require entire new kits as GKs don't use standard SM weapons.

So no Hellblasters, no Aggressors, or Inceptors. Intercessors would need an upgrade kit to get Stormbolters and Force weapons.

GKs were chosen as an easy 1 week filler codex that won't get new kits. It's why they were sandwiched between two BRAND new armies. The SMs and DG took all the new kits.

>>54443439
Thats cute. Go back to your bland mary sues, never to be updated again.

>>54443496
players take turns. first one players moves all his units, then they shoot, then they fight close combats. actions are resolved by dice. there are a variety on victory conditions but generally the more you kill your enemy and the less you get killed, the better.

Not sure which army to pick. I want to run pure DE, pure GSC or just AdMech.

Can anyone help or/and give quick summary of each one?

>>54443523
>t. npc faggot

>>54443160
Ignore tourneyfags
Deny tourneyfags games
Do not reply to tourneyfags
Do not visit their containment forums
Do not watch their podcasts or youtube videos
Do not share their cancer

>>54443453
Wow, not bad. I play Admech, and I want the 30k Admech beep boops so horribly, horribly bad. But I have to wait for the stupid FoJ book, which Forgeworld is dragging its ass on.

>>54443532
>pure DE
Fast. Strong. Fragile.

>Pure GSC
Not sure of how they are.

AdMech
>Strong. Durable. Low models.

>>54443533
Imperial fists actually. Who despite being bland autists, are still less bland and shitty than your gray faggits

>>54443269
VEHICLE
DESIGN
RULES

>>54443532
>Pure GSC
for what purpose, you get both tyranid and guard units

>>54443558
Imperial Fists
>Wiped out by Orks

Crimson Fists
>Nearly wiped out by Orks.

Any other Dorn chapters that suffered massive casualties due to Orks?

>>54443496

Things like Mission type, how big and how much terrain are going to be on the table are all decided before the game begins.

Both players set up their models deciding if they want to start them on the table or have them enter play through another means later on in the game

From there each turn of the game contains a player turn, one for each player, which contain 5 phases: movement, psychic, shooting, assault and morale, in which you move your models, shoot mind bullets, shoot regular bullets, man fight, and see how many of yur dudes run from the effects of any or all of the above. Things like shooting, psykic powers and dudes lost to morale are determined by dice and individual model stats.

This is all in pursuit of some objective, like playing king of the hill in the center of the map, trying to take and hold a specific artifact or simply trying to see who can table the other first.

I'd recommend for anything more then that to watch some battle reports and/or read the rulebook in the links in the OP.

>>54443558
>your
>implying

>>54443586
Celestial Lions
>Crippled by Ork Snipers, then almost wiped out by orks

>>54443586
BT

>>54443532
>Not running GSC with cyclopse demolition vehicles for maximum religion of peace

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How do I improve this?
>inb4 flyer spam

Gonna play casually and not against WAACfags

>>54443610
Just realised I'm missing an HQ for a battalion detachment

>>54443601
???

When? Armageddon? They lost less than the 200 marines they sent to the planet and probably less than half of the 1000 marines that were in orbit as whatever losses they might have had there are never stated and Helbrecht goes straight out of Armageddon with his fleet after a single season, which isnt time enough to refill big losses if there were any.

>>54443160
I see them say Thousand Sons, but all I ever see is Magnus, Daemon Princes, and a zillion Brimstones

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>>54443599
>it actually was orks and not just the inquisistion

>>54443610
What program are you using ?
How to make it dark

>>54443671
Because Rubrics, SOTs, ExSorcs and Ahriman are all overcosted garbage, as usual.

>>54443683
Notepad++
You can configure any colour as it's meant for code editing.
I just printscreen the list and crop it in paint

So uh, I notice in the FAQ they only granted mortis Contemptors the ability to take a missile launcher... I stuck a missile launcher on my betrayal at Calth Dread, what do I do now?

>>54443684
Rubrics and Scarab Occult are mostly just hampered by the crappy Sorcerers, Ahriman needs his identity back and most of all they just needs way more spells.

>>54443678
It actually was the Inquisition using the orks by misinforming the Celestial Lions ("There aren't that many orks in there, trust us") making sure they received no support from nearby forces and with providing ammunition that didn't do anything

>>54443684
I despise how 'playing Thousand Sons' now just is having Magnus in your armylist. It used to mean something, and even earn a certain respect.

++ Patrol Detachment (T'au Empire) [28 PL, 500pts] ++

+ HQ [8 PL, 202pts] +

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight [3pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

+ Troops [7 PL, 107pts] +

Strike Team [7 PL, 107pts]: MV36 Guardian Drone [8pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [11pts]: Markerlight [3pts], Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 127pts] +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 127pts]: Homing beacon [20pts]
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Multi-tracker [64pts]: 2x Burst cannon [20pts], 2x Multi-tracker [4pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]

+ Fast Attack [7 PL, 64pts] +

Pathfinder Team [7 PL, 64pts]: MV31 Pulse Accelerator Drone [8pts]
. 6x Pathfinder [48pts]: 6x Markerlight [18pts]
. Pathfinder Shas'ui [8pts]: Markerlight [3pts]

++ Total: [28 PL, 500pts] ++
It doesn't seem too cheesy right?

>>54443738
Well that's why these days you have to say you play Thousand Sons without Magnus.

>>54443496
You move your guys and then have your guys shoot by rolling a bucket of dice about 3 times. If you havent died of boredome, you get to watch your enemy do the same. Then you repeat this up to 6 times.
Tactics and positioning only really play a role in that you might want to keep your important stuff out of the way of things that can hurt them.

>>54443722
Contemptors have only ever been able to take a cyclone missile launcher 'on the roof'. What the hell were you thinking, glueing a regular missile launcher on a contemptor ?

>>54443738

For what it's worth, I played against 1ksons recently and Magnus was the least valuable part of his army, mostly because he flew him straight into my leviathan dread, knocked it down to 3 wounds then got counter-charged by three more dreads.

Which is bad playing, but it's worth noting that my opponent actually did pretty good work chewing some of my units up with all that rend and if all those points sunk into Magnus had been more rubrics or scarab occult I'd probably have lost.

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>>54443408
I personally like the one being tossed around where IW get to use cultists as cover, that's fluffy as Fuck. I'd also like if you could maybe attach melta bombs to a cultist and have them suicide charge the enemy.

>>54443758

why are you even here anon

>>54443760

...It is a cyclone, I ordered it from FW.

Do you always take people this literally?

>>54443269
Kroot mercenaries list. Just needs to say something like 'a kroot shaper may be taken as a HQ choice if all units in the detachment have the KROOT faction keyword' and a mercenary tag.

Looted wagons, of course. Ideally a full range of vehicles to choose from.

Rules for NPC models, like wild animals, civilians, etc. Maybe treat them as a third side, with the players alternating who gets to control them in each phase or something?

Optional game mode which brings tank armour facings and LoS from weapons back.

Rules for summoned units using power instead of reserve points. Just something like 'for every ten points put in the reserve pool, you can summon 1 power worth of units'. Current system is good in that it prevents abuse, but a little fiddly.

>>54443788
Meh, I'd rather have a stratagem to shoot into combat for the rest of the phase, but hitting your own guys on a 4+

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>>54443610
>>54443632
Now 100% more legal (I hope)

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>>54443068
>>54443132

Hey guess what? They're just nice models.

If everything will be primaris marines one day, that just means old marine stat line is out and primaris is the new norm.

At which point you can just use your old marines anyway. Fluff; primaris strong jizz now in every marine. The armour doesn't matter new tech.

Buy whatever minis you like best because they'll all be the same eventually anyway. Just like people using old school minis for nids or marines or whatever now.

You're all fighting over absolutely nothing.

>>54441620
Honestly, they would look perfectly fine if you tore off that retarded beer-gut plating and gorget.

>>54443843
Looks fine for a casual game. Are your cent devs equipped with lascannons? You might be a little light on anti-tank if not.

>>54443856
Nah, bolters all around
Anon recommended trying them with a Company Ancient and an Apothecary; infinite dakka

So you think 8 BS2 lascannons and a conversion beamer is too little? Like how much too little? I've already a low body count

>>54443795
Bitterness has hollowed me out and I can't leave anymore.

>>54442880
X-wing miniatures are primarily game pieces and come with uppgrade cards, tokens and maneuver dials specifically designed to be used with the game.

>>54443856
>>54443872
Oh yeah plus if there's no enemy flyers the Hunters work as BS3 lascannons so that's actually 8 BS2 & 2 BS3 lascannon shots per round

>>54443269
probably not a real GW rules writer, but if you are,

Build your own <LEGION>, <REGIMENT>, <FORGE WORLD>, etc. with minor buffs to the units, akin to chapter tactics, along with the ability to pick a stratagem from a list to make it unique.

Increase the Points of conscripts to 4 Ppm, not too much of a nerf but further discourages the strategy.

add Beastmen of each chaos god, all with unique rules to vary them from Tzaangors.

>>54443872
>>54443893
I'd count on losing at least one contemptor in the first battle round, and with only 4 bs2 and 2 bs3 lascannons you might have difficulty dealing with vehicles.

>>54443255
I live in Canada and I play Eldar and Slaanesh, you might be onto something here.