/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>54437847
>>54437866
Did not think I'd get an answer this comprehensive. In all honesty I just wanted to know the limits of magic since all I had going on was the Returns trilogy and that had only generic elemental bolts and a few support spells. Now that you describe it to me it sounds way overpowered. I thought there'd be some limit to what you can make people do. The concept of a mage using mind control magic to manipulate his way to the top of a corporation or enact a masterplan seems like it'd make a fantastic side character or villain.

>>54438021
> The concept of a mage using mind control magic to manipulate his way to the top of a corporation or enact a masterplan seems like it'd make a fantastic side character or villain.

Did you miss the part where you don't exist or cast spells in a void? Corps have their own mages omae, they watch for shit like that. You're not that brilliant or inventive that you're the first person to think of the concept.

This is the exact thing that people are paranoid about mages doing.

>>54438070
derp, please excuse me then

>>54438021
Did have a player in my group who took both the Mind Probe spell and Control Mood spell, both which are down that alley. But he rarely used either of them. They were both kinda last resort cards, as his character found them filthy to use.

hey /srg/
how many times have you run food fight?

>>54438108

Mind you, people are paranoid about mages doing it because they CAN do it. So a big part of it is 'So how is he getting away with it?' Is he the head of magical security for the company? Does he have a pact with a shadow spirit that makes his magic difficult to find? Has he already gotten to the other security mages first?

It's not an insurmountable task but you need to work out how it's happening.

>>54438147

I've run a mind control mage exactly once. He was played for being just as creepy as you'd assume. Ex-ASIO interrogator, looked like the classic MIB until he opened his mouth and the most ocker accent you ever heard issued forth.

>>54438221
>people are paranoid about mages doing it because they CAN do it
People are paranoid because they could potentially achieve it without paranoid people making it really hard.

So following Scenario:
You (somehow) get transported to the 2070's of the sixth world.
All you have is what you have with you right now,
which is probably your phone, the cloths you are wearing and maybe your wallet.
Your money ain't worth shit, you don't have a SIN (obviously) and you don't even have a Commlink. You can't access the matrix through your phone. You might get to be a mage, adept, mageadept or a technomancer if you are lucky, but you can't tell right now and you don't know if and when it'll happen.
Beside all of this, you got all the knowledge about shadowrun, which is basically all you are gonna get to "defend yourself".
You wake up on the steets of, say, seatle.
What would your first course of action be or what is your plan to survive?

>>54438021
>TL;DR: Don't make your character a flash in the pan who does nothing but do "cool" things and use his powers in edgy ways in hopes of becoming a legend

I sincerely disagree, since some of my favorite characters are the ones TRYING to be edgy coolguys.
You know, people who when they get shot, ask "but it looked cool, right?"

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Speaking of food fight, how would you make it a little more interesting?

I was thinking of making one of the people in the stuffer shack a vampire or an undercover cop pop up out of nowhere but that just seems too generic and obvious.

>>54440602
>vampire
>in a started level session
Are you nuts?

>>54440602

Go-Gang shows up to acquire snacks. They're regulars and are gonna be pissed if the clerk's been injured or the NURPS were damaged.

>>54440660
That's why I said thinking.

>>54440679
Take something more believeable that won't kill the players in the blink of an eye if they attack it.
A cop is actually not bad, I think.
Maybe put a very humanoid drone in there, maybe even controlled by an AI. It shouldn't be obvious though. I think there are some that can be modded to look passable as human if you don't look at it too hard.
Wouldn't kill them in an instant and would be surprising to an extend.
If the decker tries to hack it, encountering an AI gives alot of opportunities, if they attack it it might surprise them that there was a drone in the first place

>>54440679
Give the shop lights a UV filter, and inevitably break a few filters during / at the start of the fight.

>>54440901
Well to be fair it wasn't going to be a vampire at full strength, but yeah I like that drone idea. Maybe I can have it be one of those ares duelists so there can be a showdown type scenario.

>>54440679
You could get away with the vampire if it wasn't guaranteed to be an enemy, and if it wasn't there "just because".
For example, the group gets accosted (after the action has broken out) by a shabby-looking guy with an ill-concealed hole from a rejected datajack, who offers to help them for "no strings attached". He's obviously not in his right mind and completely unarmed, so there's an opportunity for the players to consider things.
If they accept his offer, he'll fight on their side but leave a shitton of bodies and a lot of problems for the runners, who might have to find and kill him to clear their name.

>>54440602
We must go full Dragonfall:

One of the customers is Lofwyr, and after 15 minutes Fastjack walks in.

>>54441629
Then Shasta and Dunk come in and start fucking while devgrill records it all.

>>54441669
Kat'O and Slamm-O! commentate.

>>54441629
Don't forget the Bull shit. I mean cameo.

>>54440602
Another shadowrun team is having lunch at the stuffer shack celebrating a successful run.

>>54441722
You find Bull when you walk outside, beating H's face in the gutter.

>>54441725
Another Shadowrun team comprised entirely of rejected unplayable/snowflakey character concepts is loading up on food. Communication is difficult.

>>54441767
Complete cosmetic resculpts, custom jobs and crazy clothes/weapons/personafixes are purchaseable in-universe, just expensive enough to land someone in deep debt if they take them straight out of high school to be a shadowrunner.
It's true in-setting that shadowrunners are glorified like rockstars (in their brushed-up silver screen versions, of course), and look what people in this world do for their idols.
A group of people who blew their savings on too-gaudy or too-creepy sculpts, too-intimidating weapons, too many crazy gimmicks and too many skillsofts compared to their actual proficiency, reduced to shoplifting from Stuffer Shack even when they look like skull-faced Blackest Ops and alluring elf-lookalike femme fatales, is about as Shadowrun as you get.

>>54438021
It looks like they're introducing more and more earthdawn aspects, too. Which is scary, because even though ED was balanced around bows compared to SR's assault rifles, things like Matrices and blood charms are fucking insane.

If they ever introduce stuff from Equinox, like that blood magic ability to ignore voids or background counts by stabbing yourself in the face, the fluff is going to get *really* weird.

>>54441803
That's weak as fuck. Come back when you're at least on the level of snowflake of an illiterate sasquatch that speaks no languages.

>>54441832
>balanced around bows
Good. Maybe they'll remember to make some fucking called shots or ammo type specific shot results for arrows then, and we can get a rule on why exactly removing an arrow sticking in you ASAP is somehow desireable enough to justify barbed arrowheads. Maybe we can even get proper Volley shot rules or Multiple Opponent Attack in Kyujutsu.

>>54441844
..but, anon, Sasquatch don't normally speak.

>>54441767
>>54441803
Is being snowflakey that bad? A lot of characters end up being shadowrunners because they're freaks on the lam, changelings, technomancers, AI in certain scenarios, hell even certain metavariants are all wanted for study.
>>54441872
Just use a shotgun.

>>54441883
This is about spicing up food fight though. A sasquatch is a lot more fun to throw in then a guy with a neon mohawk.

>>54441883
There's a big difference between runners who're on the run for being born with something they couldn't control, and those who in-universe try to show off.
It's probably a lot less prominent in 5e, now that the playerbase generally identifies more with the characters and the setting has been made to correspond more to the modern world, but a big part of older Shadowrun was that the prime runners were just the very tip of the iceberg. Below them, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of posers, wannabes, incompetents, half-assers, self-satisfied edgelords and God knows what rabble who mostly just posted on Shadowlands, but occasionally showed up in person (often to get killed).
Shadowrunning in pre-CGL Shadowrun was more of a job taken up by the stupid, the desperate and the suicidally brave, and they had their fair share of incompetents, showoffs and second-rankers. Nowadays, shadowrunners are written like they're spec-ops teams in their own right, never having to contend with their own foibles or weaknesses.
You might put in a team of wannabe snowflakes to taunt this, or you might want to put it in because it's always good to remind the PCs that there's somewhere lower to fall.

>>54442000
>it's always good to remind the PCs that there's somewhere lower to fall
We already put in Bull, though.

Checked.

Gassing the trogs when?

>>54442000
Thank you, that clarifies what /srg/ goes on about when they complain about various metasapients.

I guess I'm lucky the players I know that went with metasapients or SURGEs did it to either cheese out gigganigga retard strength or as a part of their character's background or to recreate shit from Earthdawn.

>>54442000
Not to mention that the 'prime runners' were often from somewhere *else*. Johnny Operator was actually a highly trained special operative who fucked up seriously. Thomas Magecock, Initiate of some stupidly high degree, has been a Magician since the Awakening itself. In CGL SR, Operator and Magecock are plucky kids from the Slums and downtown Bellevue, respectively, who are rebelling against the man. Pre CGL, a runner who wasn't after the 'big score' was probably a complete fucking lunatic, and anyone who actually survived the lifestyle long enough to BECOME a 'prime runner' was to be avoided.

Hell, use the Witcher. Someone like Geralt in the SR world would be terrifying because he's routinely dropkicking paracritters for beer money and can actually *survive* getting into those fights regularly, even if he gets a bit banged up.

>>54442195
Er, banged up, pre CGL. Where as in CGL Shadowrun, that sort of thing is just a lifestyle choice.

>>54442133
A lot of times people seem to take Snowflake as someone gaudy and "loud" in their appearance, incredibly eccentric or stupidly tricked out edgelords and weird mutant metatypes.

In other systems, that indeed is a snowflake. In Shadowrun, that's almost expected of a runner. When you're talking about a snowflake here you should mean a snowflake in the context of Shadowrun, which is likely going to be something so tremendously awkward and stupid that it has approaching zero playability because it cannot feasibly function in the setting, you know, like a snowflake.

CGL just gave the opportunity for pink mohawks to become neon pink, 50 feet tall and hooked to cybercocks that spew Seven7. That's all. Black trenchcoat had its time, now pink.

Is this shadowrun: the movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZCBSsBxko

>>54442512
I think its similar to how True Blood was Not-VtM. This is now Not-Shadowrun.

>>54442553
And of course the titular woman is basically Jane Frosty Foster, with the posted Elf being a set of claws away from being Human Form Lofwyr. Fucking hell.

>>54442595
Shoulda done Armitage as lead and gone a bit more blade runner tbqh.

>>54442635
Neuromancer could probably be trimmed a bit into a solid action film. It'd tick most of the diversity boxes, too.

>>54442651
I feel like you'd need something like LOTR-era Peter Jackson to direct a Neuromancer, though. Or Dune-era David Lynch.

So I'm about to start an SR campaign in Denver tomorrow, and I'm considering running the crew (Two players, a Rigger/Techno and a PhysAdept Street Samurai) through a basic run with some assistance from a few NPC's. What's the best way to use GMPC runners to help with the crew?

>>54442699
Nah. You'd need a solid tone shift for the film to work. Doesn't translate well to film in all it's glory. It's like Ghost in the Shell - the movie was good fun but definitely not anything like the series. Trying for a faithful adaptation would waste the movie.
>>54442712
I'm guessing you want a face who works for a cut of the gross, since neither of them sound like they're the most charming motherfuckers around.

>>54441684
The aristocrats!

>>54442195
One of the other differences I've gleaned from 3e and earlier (through the glasses of someone who started at the end of 4e) is that Redmond, etc wasn't just the shithole it's presented as now. It was a shithole that runners could escape into. Your shithole. Somewhere the omnipresence of SINs and corporate fuckery didn't touch or invade. You could stop pretending to be part of the system, and if not relax, then at least only shoot people for simple, straight-forward reasons. He spilled my beer, she's stealing my credstick, etc.

4e onwards? Runners don't live in the shitholes that spring up in the cracks and shadows corporations don't want to touch. When they're not running, they're living on their fake SINs, accepting the permanent state of sousveillance, and pretending to be part of the system day-to-day with no 'out' time.

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Weird question, but does anyone know who this artist is? I know they did a bunch more psuedo-Shadowrun stuff.

>>54442735
I was thinking ranged support, since the Techno realized with his living persona that he had a decent enough Charisma to justify taking negotiating, con, and etiquette skills. I rigged up a sniper who'll just communicate with them via commlink and provide overwatch already, and I was thinking of maybe adding a mage just that they could contact in case of spooky spirit shit(TM) getting involved.

Other than that, all the denver runner modules look like they're aimed at higher level runners (Not that I won't crib some stuff from them because it's neat) and the group seems oriented towards the 'Kick in the door kill everything' as plan A. Subtlety is secondary. So I've come up with a few ideas.

>Mr. Johnson contacts them, arranges the meet in a helicopter, flies them over the Aurora Barrens, and gives them something he needs in there and an address before kicking them out with some parachutes.
>Since the Alamos 20k terror attacks, organized crime has been hiding out, but the local Vory structure has decided enough's enough. Those yak fuckers have to go. Of course, fighting the Yakuza in the shadows means that Mitsuhama may or may not get involved.
>With the Azzies back on the scene, people have started to go 'missing'. A local buisnessman's daughter disappeared yesterday, and he's willing to pay top dollar to get her back

But I'm not sure if they're good enough or will work for just two players.

>>54442970
Even being prime runners with a group of 2 gets pretty tough. My party eventually whittled down to 2 and while the Phys Adept got good at murdering mages before they could act, we can still get tripped up with enough guards on our asses.

Playing a jack of all trades can get rough, while my S Adept is really good at stuff a social adept gets good at shooting, but when she has to juggle dispelling, hacking (from a com link no less) and banishing we can get bogged down.

>>54443232
Well, I have a third who won't make the first session. Potentially also a fourth.

>>54443232
Why is your adept hacking, what. Is it a burnout?

>>54443339
Hacker adept is some of the worst cheese the system has to offer.

>>54443348
Do you just take no physical attributes and rely entirely on attribute boost?

>>54443348
Only trumped by mystic hacker adept.

>>54443339
No, our decker hasn't shown up in 7-8 sessions, so she picked up decking and slapped a dongle onto her phone.

Our shaman hasn't shown up in 10, so she used her high charisma and picked up some banishing and eventually dispelling, though she sucks ass at it.

>>54443366
You boost your skills like a mother fucker rather than your attributes by using power points.

>>54443366
Heightened Concern, Improved Ability to the max and then some attribute buffs if you feel like it. Combines with attribute enhancing drugs for a merry time and an annoyed DM

>>54440901
>Maybe put a very humanoid drone in there, maybe even controlled by an AI

Why the fuck would there be an AI there? You can have a clever drone by giving it a high Pilot program, you don't need to go full snowflake by having a very rare Matrix entity inhabiting a random drone in a random Stuffer Shack buying Milk Duds.

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>>54442314
Nah. Go read the Shadowlands stuff and you see one of the prime indicators of Mohawks - Giving A Shit. You had eco-terrorists, conspiracy theorists, campaigners for every cause under the sun, and they really cared about it. Sure, a lot of them died pursuing dreams that could never be realised, but before they fell they flew.

Nowadays the roster of Jackpoint are all trenchcoat-tier operators who do it for the money (or the money and the fun, like Kane), with vague platitudes about individual liberties and rights. You don't get points for saying that massacring protesters is bad. The last time I can remember a Jackpointer actually doing something vaguely related to a cause that was not personal enrichment was Fastjack trying to raid that facility where he got CFD.

>>54443570
Laughing Man and Co. trying to patch up Elijah maybe?

>>54443570
The one thing I want to see in the Jackpoint crew is an 'opposite number' to Frosty and Many Names as the High Magical Muckity Mucks. Some fruitcake blood mage/mystic adept/whatever that stays alive purely because mobilizing the level of firepower to kill him isn't cost effective. A Lo Wang expy or something, I guess.

>>54443602
You mean a Kane kind of deal where he plays government interests against each other?

>>54443615
Nah, someone personally powerful enough to sit in that rank but without any serious support infrastructure beyond typical shadowrunners, played straight. So probably pretty much a straight D&D murderhobo with a million fake IDs who never stops moving for more than a few weeks at a time.

>>54443570
Hey, you still have conspiracy theorists - Plan 9, Snopes, etc.

>>54443644
See that's the thing, I feel like its fine to be a murderhobo if you play the off-the-grid game straight.

You can be covert on a run or go in loud as fuck, as its possible to leave no evidence by never making any or by burning down the one you leave, but you better have a place to fucking vanish to afterwards and make sure no one can track you down. I honestly feel like there's just two extremes of "No, always trenchcoat" that need every run to be a heist, and "No, always mohawk" that give very little credibility and integrity to the world and the corporate surveillance machine and basically play without consequences outside of getting shot in combat.

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>>54443595
That's more 'Elijah was bumming around and accidentally a Horror, then all the big hats from the 4th World showed up to wring him for info.' Laughing Man supposedly went there to help, but given how his part history of treating people who get mixed up in it (coughMontgomerycough) he's not doing it for Elijah's sake. Winterhawk at least seems like he went to help Elijah, but that's more personal friendship than anything.

So technically you're right, but I put 'avoiding the destruction of the world as we know it' in the same category of stuff that everyone cares about, rather than a specific cause deep to your heart.

>>54443646
But what do they do with their theories? Pyramid Watcher at least tried to do anti-Azzie stuff, and there was that anti-magocracy guy back in the day who fucked with the IOND because he thought they were a Black Lodge front. Plan 9 ... I don't even know if they're a shadowrunner anymore, or just someone with a surgery addiction and a CFD infection.

Ideas for stuff that happens between runs?

>>54443670
The other thing I missed was that they should be 'normal' - not someone who was probably a student of Coyote, like Many Names, or a baby immortal, like Frosty. Either some bizarre prodigy who screamed up to that level of ability over the last 30 years, or some frothing old lady berserker who figured out a form of immortality. Just to balance them out. Sure, he's not normal at all, but he didn't start with the advantages they did.

>>54443728
It's odd how Ehran has taken on Harlequin's role as the 'sympathetic' one now that Harlequin isn't sleeping with Ehran's daughter anymore. Esp given Ehran was, according to Dunkelzahn, much more likely to disappear people for fun.

>>54443728
Iunno, the whole "that's more than two, Laughing Man" thing seems to imply that H might have regularly checked on the bridge and said he saw 2 steps, and now there's 4, and some people consider it his responsiblity to keep it in check.

>>54443735
So... Captain Chaos?

>>54443729
You mean 'some scenes of RP that aren't about crimetime' or 'full sessions of stuff that aren't shadowrunning at all'?

Because the latter is tricky to do if the group isn't all living together and spending downtime in the same flat. Recently I heard about a game called Route Clearance (https://200wordrpg.github.io/2017/rpg/winner/2017/04/22/RouteClearance.html) that I want to adapt for downtime periods.

>>54443776
But not an electro-buddha in Hong Kong, and magical. A balance to those two.

>>54443729
Pay rent, visit relatives, get SWOLE, spirit shenanigans, take the team for the best soyburgers in the city, buy guns and gun related accessories, go see a movie, drink blood from gangsters prepare for the next run, hit the club, do general downtime stuff. I don't know, ask your players.

>>54443796
FastJack and his choice of SysOps is so much worse. Jack himself is pretty tolerable at least.

>>54443728
On a similarly related note. Has anyone done an 'Azziewatch' campaign, where they play shadowrunners/part time vigilantes that patrol the border looking out for Blood Mages and coyotes with bounties on their heads?

>>54443815
After they straight up printed a book saying DIMR was too broke to properly pay anymore?

>DIMR
>broke

>>54442962
https://keysartstuff.tumblr.com/

>>54443830
Maybe those CHOCOLATE NIPPLES take trillions of nuyen to maintain?

>>54443764
I'd need to reread the Dragonheart stuff and old books about the Chasm to remember Harley's specific role in it. Free Spirit Dunkeldonuts is supposed to be in charge of keeping an eye on things, but Harlequin does get involved with it from time to time. Bull knew about the number of steps as well; it's just a thing people involved with it have knowledge of, if they can keep their sanity. There's more than one Bridge out there.

>>54443848
It's dusky nipples.

>>54443865
I think Bull knew because of his business with H that had Johnny 99 die.

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>>54440341

I'm a 6' skinny fat dude, so I would probably become a comedian, stealing all my material from different comedians of our time and hope nobody finds out.

It's not the best plan, but realistically it's all I have, since my /3/ skills will be worth shit in 2070.

>>54443729
Do your players not have backgrounds and relationships with the family members or NPCs or shit the look into?

Between sessions my DM will occasionally PM me on discord telling me my fixer found a guy on a data haven who can sell me info on which facility has my emerged ferret or some guy on magicnet who found a nearby rift to a metaplane where I might be able to thread an item from the 4th world.

>>54443865
Free Spirit Donutface is bound to Bob the Cyberzombie. Harley and Aina's role boiled down to screaming "ALRIGHT FUCKERS, LET'S DO THIS" and throwing nuclear warheads made of mana at the oncoming horrors while sodomising ryan mercury with more mana to destroy the bridge.

Can I play as lizardman in Shadowrun?

>>54443898
Be an oracle. Accurately predict the future because of sourcebooks.

>>54443918
You can indulge in your scaley fantasies, yes.

>>54443886
That's my point. Harlequin doesn't need to be the specifically appointed Horror Monitor to know how many steps have been taken - he just needs to exist at that level of power and care the slightest amount about the pending apocalypse, which he already lived through once.

He showed up in House of the Sun to stop the Hawai'ians from ending the world, but there wasn't necessarily the assumption that he was acting as the designated champion of the world there (there was a Great Dragon investigating it at the same time, and the two were at cross-purposes).

>>54443918
The example SURGE character was a lizardman, but he may just have been a T'Skrang with the name filed off.

>>54443918
Yeah. There's even one in fiction.
>>54443934
He is, that's why Lofwyr snapped him up. Equivalent of youtube comments going "first".

>>54440341
I just started playing and haven't even finished reading the 5th e sourcebook. I'm fucked, aren't I?

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What stats would lizardman have?
I want to play as picrelated
Being cheeky friendly soldier/mechanic type of person.

>>54443999
You want the changeling rules for a human. Check Run Faster.

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>>54443999
If you want setting accurate lizardmen, then they would have higher dex, body and charisma.

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>>54444014
Thank you

>>54444027
And hope your DM never asks for a social roll outside of intimidate

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>>54444023
thanks

>>54444038
Unless its impersonating a dinosaur. Or a theme park mascot.

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>>54444038
Why?

>>54444050
Or a dinosaur theme park mascot

>>54444066
Or a fast food restaurant mascot for Dino-Bites.

>>54444064
Because the SURGE rules apply negative penalty for freaks.

And despite there being some historical records of river boat pirating lizard people, they are EXTREMELY uncommon in the 6th world. They would number in the 10s, rather than the 10s of thousands that certain other metasapients like AI and Centaurs exist in.

>>54444064
Oh, we have a real furry here.

>>54444099
1. There is 1 known t'skrang. And he was on the wrong end of a mana surge.

>>54444104

>Blacksad
>Furry

Pick one

>>54444114
Sure, but there are enough changelings that at least a few others could be described as Lizardmen.

>>54444114
Known, sure, but the fluff on SURGE mutations seems to imply there are a small number of scalies and furries in the 6th world.

>>54440341
Probably befriend the homeless and have them teach me a few things. Don't know what I could trade for their knowledge though.

>>54444203
Blowjobs.

>>54444119
Nice defending the reaction image and not the post.
I've seen and talked to a fair amount of furries, and the one big warning flag for an irredeemable one is that they have problems understanding that others might consider even their worst fursonas strange.
Furries (perhaps because a lot of them are spoiled man-children who grew up on cartoons
with anthropomorphic main characters and no real human interaction) tend to naturally think that their bara lizardman is "reassuring and cute", their crazy five-dicked rainbow-wolf two-mile-tall city-crushing giantess is "exotic and exciting", and that everyone else perceives anthropomorphic characters in the same way as they do.
It might seem like pocket psychology, but I was lolbombing SL furry sims with the Patriotic Nigras back in the day, and nothing I've seen before, during or after that has ever made me doubt it.
That baffled, slightly insulted incomprehension at that someone might not consider a seven-foot lizardman who just burst out of nowhere a "lovable giant" and start yiffing like crazy is perhaps the greatest indicator of a terminal-case furry.

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Need city artwork for next session

>>54444134
>>54444142
Sure. But 'this is a t'skrang', not so much. He's the most obvious shoutout to a previous gameline since Mage: awakening and the Old Man of the Abyss.

>>54444251
>start yiffing like crazy
You are the one who brought this to discussion.
I never mentioned I was going to be that kind of guy.
Yes, my preferences could be out of considered norm yet I don't let it get loose in the way it would be uncomfortable for others.
If people would be triggered just because someone picked a race different from human, human with pointy ears or green human, well, then that is their problem, not mine.

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>Magical Girl traditions

Is this a thing in Shadowrun Japan?

>>54444300
Maybe, I guess that would come up to GM interpretation? I'd think that a lot of the SURGE II and III victims might emerge with a similar themes hidden away deep inside their biology.
>>54444330
You dumb nigger, it's not just the DM and players that would have a problem. It is a mechanical disadvantage because you look like a freak compared to short human, horned human, tusked human and pointy eared human who humans barely fucking tolerate.

>>54444251
My rule of thumb is if one of the first 3 things I know of you among stuff like your name is your kinks or sexual preferences, I probably don't want to risk having you in my game because you seem to have issues not inserting that shit compulsively.

Had a game in a different system where a guy who played the most normal character and who even had stepped away from some mechanical enhancements (not even real cybernetics) because he felt they were too tacky and stood out to much who after like 4 sessions in the post-session shitshooting offhandedly mentioned he was a gay furry and still found the beastman-type character of a different non-furry player to be a bit much and snowflakey.

He was the best guy ever and played super straight guys that fit snug in the setting and campaign and only brought up anything like that shit after we'd known him for a month+ and only to give context to a statement, not for the sake of bringing it up.

>>54444330
If you want a more fucking tolerant system, go play Ironclaw

>>54444340
I feel like magical girl shit is covered by otaku/technomancers in Shadowrun traditionally. Maybe Frosty excluded.

Also dev/grrl, too.

>>54444358
Lizardman is one thing. T'skrang, down to his adherance to the earthdawn themes of the race, diet, spell list (Troubador adept) and Lofwyr's immediate "Oh, hi, you work for me now" sort of takes it over into shoutout territory.

>>54444388
Sure, I completely understand that that one guy was definitely a T'skrang.

I'm saying it's not unreasonable that more SURGE mutants would start goblinizing, for lack of a better word into t'skrang more consistently as magic begins to grow stronger. It's not explicitly called out for, but it's not unreasonable.

What reason could a 3A corp have to want to blow an orbital habitat out of the sky?

>>54444330
People are used (somewhat) to short human, tall horned human, human with longer teeth, and magic human.

Your average person is NOT going to be used to something that looks akin to a Reptilian suddenly popping up and calling them Chummer. Hell, I'd probably draw a man hunter and shoot it because that shit is weirder than usual.

>>54444386
Technomancer chicks living persona's all being magical girls is hilarious to think about.

Seriously though if you want to go full pink mohawk with a game, playing someone who goes full Sailor Moon with their magical talents is pretty great.

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>>54444289
What city?

>>54444430
Not at all. But in ED, they appear much later in the cycle than they do currently. He's only there because, hey, magic ritual. Actual Lizardmen wouldn't be uncommon ,as far as SURGElings are common at anything. Just not t'skrang lizardmen.

>>54444458
>no Corrupt eastern dragon running toward Aztech pyramid

Disgusting.

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>>54444433
They want to start a war that will destroy the world, or at least their own corporation. The whole point of the Corporate Court is to stop that sort of shit from happening by threat of overwhelming retaliation.

>>54444478
Hey, keep that on the downlow.

Is 5th edition the last?
How long do you think until 6th is introduced?
I want to play shadowruns but just don't want to waste my time if there is a new rulebook coming out soon and I would need to read it as well.

>>54444516
What if they funded terrorists to do it?

>>54444516
FLESH WAR NOW
GAS THE METAHUMANS
SUFFERING FARMS WHEN

>>54444520
There's always the chance the new rules are shit and no one plays it, and until more books for a new edition come out you can expect a decent enough playerbase for the previous one or people porting a majority of old content to the new one still.

As for when they feel they deserve to make another edition to cash in on? Who knows with CGL.

>>54444520
Fourth lasted quite a while, and fifth is probably in the same bracket. We're only 4 years into the book run.

>>54444516
Or the Aztechnology heads finally snap.

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>>54444520
>Is 5th edition the last?
No. But there's no announcements of work on a new edition, there's still several more 5e books in the work (though they have covered most of the major stuff by now), and CGL publishes very slowly.

If you want to wait an indefinite period of time for something that is unannounced but inevitable, that's on you.

>>54444540
>when they feel they deserve to make another edition to cash in on
once the TM book is released

>>54444533
The whole point of shadowrunners is that they are a polite fiction for deniable ops. The Az-Am war started by baiting Amazonia into using shadowrunners, then flipping that knowledge to the public. Corp-sponsored running is tolerated because it establishes bounds for what sort of corporate espionage takes place. Genocide and destruction of billions of nuyen of property breaks those conventions and will have repercussions, and funding someone to the point where they could feasibly commit spacecrime leaves a hell of a paper trail.

>>54444439
That's wrong though. People don't like changelings, but there's a decent number of them and they had huge media exposure. No one is gonna be surprised that one exists, though they may be a little surprised to see one.

Read the Run Faster bit on them. Changelings have communities all over the world.

>>54444626
Communities yes, lizard men coming out of the woodwork no. Most changelings aren't fucking furries.

>>54444626
I have an elf who has tiger patterns on her skin and hair, shit charisma and higher than average intuition. She's a changeling.

Some changelings have tumors, some have a 4th arm, those people are fucking weirdos who get a penalty on charisma checks.

A fucking lizard man is going to freak someone out.

>>54444643
If you run the shadows and you bump into a giant reptile wearing clothes, your first reaction isn't gonna be to shoot it. It might be disgust, latent fear, racism, pity, or any number of other emotions, but any well informed member of the public knows what a changeling is and how far their mutations can theoretically go. Unless you're violently racist against changelings, or you're a wage slave who's never seen anything weirder than a troll before, it's not gonna be a violent shock to see one in the shadows.

It's like saying you'd shoot any naga on sight because it's a talking snake.

>>54444236
I'd imagine that'd probably be one of the cheapest things on the street considering the value of human life in Shadowrun.

>>54444685
I mean, actually, I don't think a proper lizard man is even possible now that I think about it. At least not unless you're a prime runner.

>>54444700
>I bump into a giant reptile wearing clothes

Even in the shadows that shit is still fucking bizarre and unusual. It also has limbs, it obviously isn't a Naga then. For all you know, my character is an avid Alex Jones worshiper, and as such all reptilians are out to turn us and the frogs gay and as such should be destroyed. Check your privilege omae.

>>54444711
That's not human life though, that's human affection.

>>54444753
Plan 9 plz go and stay go

>>54444753
I'm just saying that anyone who runs the shadows should be accustomed to weird fucking shit. Seeing something for the first time is not cause enough to shoot at it, especially if it's not obviously hostile.

What if it turned out to be your Johnson or something?

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>>54444626
Communities with 'varying levels of success' due to their limited population, and communities that actively hate normal humans and even changelings that aren't such complete freaks that they are forced to the edges of society. They accept differences only if those differences also exclude you from any vestige of normal society.

There isn't a decent population that is shown on the media, because the media exposure is, "Look at these fucking freaks!" At best, there's the corpkids who bum around high mana areas wanting to be SURGEd, like goths at cemeteries hoping Satan will choose to fuck them or whatever goths do (the 90's was a long time ago). Changelings who are unable to hide in normal society are hated and feared, and their communities are built on hate and fear in return.

>>54444700
>any well informed member of the public knows what a changeling is and how far their mutations can theoretically go
And how many people are well-informed? And how many are so informed that they can tell the difference between one of those vile changelings, one of those horrifying Infected, and one of those evil bug spirits? The Sixth World has established that, if you don't look human or damn close to it, odds are very good you're a monster going to murder them.

The shadows are not nearly as comfortable with bullshit as you think they are.

>>54444781
>Accustomed to weird fucking shit

There's a difference between abducting people for a variety of reasons, having to chase down a biodrone, needing to pretend to be someone's lover to make their corp think they aren't dating someone outside the corp, murdering a toxic shaman, organ legging for the ghoul mafia, having a dinner date with a dragon because he's lonely, and A FUCKING LIZARD MAN WALKING OUT OF AN ALLEY AND JUST CALLING YOU CHUMMER.

What fucking corp in their right mind would have a lizard man be their johnson. Even Lorfwyr, a fucking GREAT DRAGON IN CHARGE OF THE LARGEST MEGACORP does his day to day business in the shadows while in human form. There are certain things that would tell you 'this run isn't worth it' and a fucking lizard man is one of them.

>>54444781
Then your face would need to make a composure not to reveal the fact that he's disgusted

>>54444777
God, imagine Plan 9 as your Mr. Johnson. He/She would never look the same way twice.

What would an Alex Jones like person want a runner team to do?

>>54445109
Raid the opposing liberal news network.

>>54445156
So Shadowrun's Coast to Coast AM?

>>54441844
Reminds me of the time where we suckered a dude into Gming for us, he didn't check our characters beforehand and we all showed up with sasquatches.
He shat bricks.
He tried, he really did, but it is really fucking hard for a johnson to talk a bunch of wookies into doing the job... because communication was difficult.

>>54441894
I agree. Having fucking chubaka walk in is way better than some dude.
Better yet, have the runnerteam be sasquatches.
Fuck yeah

>>54445181
>Entire party is sasquatches
Man, I'd love to run for your group because that sounds like the recipe for pink mohawks and the runner team being known as the Wookies.
>>54445233
He's called Chewbacca.

>>54445181
>not showing up as an all sasquatch Idol band
>Even when the campaign takes place somewhere besides japan

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>>54445267
>They all are Mystic Adepts of a Magical Girl tradition
>All speak fluent Japanese and like to be called kawaii desu
>In reality are all dudes but nobody in japan could tell the difference

>>54445298
Sasquatches can't speak any language, they can only mimic sounds.

they all speak only in hentai moans and screams

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>>54445379
>[CENSORED]
Kek.
>They have a rival team of centaur runners who are all figure skaters

>>54445465
>LoveLive vs Yuri on Ice
Shieeeeeeet

>>54445492
This would turn into "very cold quasi lesbians covered in blood and gashes" real quick.

I need more info on the Eurowars.

>>54446559
There isn't much published, and one of the best kept secrets of the setting is the reason for and initiator of the Nightwing assault, probably because the guy who wrote it died. I think. What you've seen about it and the NiJ is probably it.

>>54445109
Find proof of the priories of the learned elders of the bloodwood

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I've got a rather unique situation I'm dealing with here, chummers. Down the street from the decker's apartment, there's a Stuffer Shack that can't be arsed to properly configure its own host on the Matrix. A less creative decker would've just fragged around with the patrol IC like a schoolyard bully before bricking the maglocks, but this guy had grander aspirations in mind. He accessed the host's foundation, solved the paradigm he found, and then bit by bit he altered the foundation reality to make it into his own personal playground, mirroring his otaku anime tastes of a typical harem anime, while keeping an anchor planted in it so he can keep coming back whenever he feels like blowing off some steam in downtime.

The question is, would they eventually send in a corp spider for host maintenance every couple of months? I know it's a bad idea to leave a decker with too much time on his hands to his own devices with a relatively unguarded host. I also know that the foundation isn't well-understood by most, and might even referred to as "black magic" in some Matrix engineering circles, so I'm thinking that there might be some adverse effects to messing around with a particular Foundation paradigm too much, even if the decker in question is good enough to avoid creating variances. Assuming he visits the site regularly over the course of several months, what are some weird effects or glitches that might start occurring?

>>54446628
Speaking of best kept secrets, was there ever anything at all regarding Saeletra?

>>54440341
Exercise, get a job, find an apartment, and pray to god I'm a mystic adept.

>>54447179
Nope. From the name, it's probably an elf of Sereatha. The Blood Wood elves and their ilk had different names. But not Harlequin or Ehran. Beyond that, nothing.

>>54447361
But which god?

>>54447435
Whichever one wants me to become a mystic adept.

>>54447464
Just pray to the passions, I'm sure that will work.

>>54447529
Good, after that it's a cozy corporate security job. I'd only run the shadows if I did something to piss someone high up off enough for them to try and kill me. If I got fired I'd just go to some other corp.

>>54447464
I don't any good will pick you with that slutty attitude.

>>54447834
Huitzilopochtli then.

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Holy shit. Netflix is coming out with a movie that is the closest thing to Shadowrun as we will probably ever get:

https://youtu.be/6EZCBSsBxko

>>54447978
Do you even read any of these threads.

>>54447978
Its not SR, but it might be a good test to see if there's interest in this sort of thing, which *could* lead to a SR Cinematic Universe.

Fingers crossed.

>>54448128
Will they bring up the fact that the Shadowrun universe in itself probably has a Shadowrun Cinematic Universe in it?

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What's a good killer app for an up and coming weapons manufacturer? Something that would put them on the map and that draws a lot of attention to them. Something that AAA corps would hire runners to steal or that the company itself would hire runners to protect and prevent leaks about.

>>54448182
*cough* a functioning excalibur rifle *cough*

>>54448182
Cougar Fineblades that are actually better than a regular combat knife.

>>54448007
We'll just get shelled by shills for the next sixth months. I vote we counter it by saying Will Smith sexually abuses his son, and that's why the kid is messed up.

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>>54448512

>>54448558
>How could orcs be real if out eyes aren't real?

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>>54448512
>Shills

I want this meme to die.

>>54448709
If you've browsed /v/, /pol/ or pathfinder's general, you know shills are real.

>>54448587
Use your cybereyes you muppet.

I want to watch Will Smith in 'Bright' while getting fisted in the ass by a Pixie technomancer with a blood crystal arm wearing a Sleeping Tiger dress, whilst Hestaby watches from the sidelines and calls her a gutter trash whore, despite having a recently Leonized Eiger currently eating her out, and the whole thing is being filmed by an AI Street Sam in a drone with no code of honor.

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Is there any way to get more low level spirits?
I don't like the whole "Use a few strong spirits" mentality the game seems to want me to do.

>>54448859
It's been like, two threads. I missed you.

>>54448859
Pixies start with 1 Mag, thus cannot become technomancers.

>>54448926
if that's the only incorrect thing you took away from that mess then you're not very attentive, pal

Backstory question: does it make sense for a SINless kid to go to a public school? If so, does it make sense for him to be picked up by a Corp if he was smart enough? Even if he was, they'd give him a SIN, right?

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>>54448941
Inattentive or just downright autistic. Couldn't pass up the opportunity to point out a mistake or how someone might be breaking the rules.

>>54449045
>does it make sense for a SINless kid to go to a public school?
No.

>If so, does it make sense for him to be picked up by a Corp if he was smart enough?
Really smart/gifted people can get recruited from the streets even without a SIN

>Even if he was, they'd give him a SIN, right?
A limited one, maaaaaaaaaaaybe; and only after a long time proving their worth.

>>54449045
In order of questions: no, yes yes

>>54449055
>AI Street Sam
>Technomancer with blood crystal limb
>no code of honor street sam
>AI street sam

>>54449045
Public schools, like any public institution, is run by the country you're in. That means you have a National SIN if you're attending. Getting picked up by a corp and being issued a Corporate SIN (of either kind) overwrites your national SIN (because Extraterritoriality).

>>54448893
Use drones instead.

>>54449172
No, you get dual citizenship.

>>54449206
Well, I should be clear: It overwrites your National SIN Negative Quality, with the corresponding Corp one. During creation only the "highest" in that sense counts, even if you retain a National SIN you don't have that quality anymore, and if you get a Corp SIN later you'll upgrade to the correct quality.

>>54448771
So is the Illuminati but it loses its effect when people accuse everybody with a positive opinion as being a shill.

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>>54449804

>>54449804
That's the whole Boy Who Cried Wolf issue of people overdoing it, but you can usually spot an actual shillpost from just someones opinion. We don't want to devolve to reddit or imgur, who don't know a paid shillpost when its staring them in the face and even self regulate it into being featured.

>>54449804
It's not a positive opinion that's the problem, it's spamming the same trailer in every /srg/ and starting other threads specifically about how "OMG guize Netflix made a Shadowrun movie!" It's shown up at least 4 times in the past couple days.

>>54449878
Man I just found out about it today and sent it to several friends.
I am fucking hype for ANY chance at a shadowrun movie.
Then again, I'm the guy who has watched fucking every shadowrun gameplay on the internet.

>>54449908
Watching other peoples Tabletop gameplay is something that completely passes me by.

It contains zero of the things I enjoy about it.

>>54449991
see, I need a thing to listen to while I am playing games that do not involve heavy text.
I mean, I have a whole fucking linguistic section of my brain that's not being used, that's just a waste.

>>54449991
I feel you. I wanted to listen to some Shadowrun let's play so see how my table compares to someone else's. Problem is that it's awful no matter how good or bad they are.

It's like sitting at a table with a group of strangers who are all close friends, hearing their inside jokes and interpersonal dynamics.

>>54450126
The big problem with any tabletop game online is that nobody fucking plays like normal assholes actually play the game.

It's all over acted and overly dramatic and no one interacts with one another like they're people, nothing's organic.

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>>54440341
I'd whore myself out as a bunraku doll, realistically, then reinvest that money into setting up a small enterprise where I greenhouse-grow food and marijuana with my IRL gardening/botany knowledge. Maybe supplement that with more bunraku work, or live streaming my life 24/7.

If I'm lucky enough to become something magical, I'll focus that power and opportunity into joining a magical lodge and continuing to enhance my botanical garden.

I do anything and everything in my power to avoid shadowrunning.

If I'm lucky, maybe I can become a corporate comfort girl/wage mage.

Alternatively, I sell my knowledge of pre-Crash media, culture, technology, and sites to any company willing to pay me for that kind of information. That'd require me proving I'm from the past and not just a mentally ill vagrant, though, so I don't see that happening.

I'm not destined to be some kind of Shadowrun badass.

>>54444817
>hateing people for not being as fucked as you, even if you are essentially getting fucked equally anyways
What is this, tumblr?

>>54451305
I'm strangely aroused by this post. You'd probably get so fucked up on simsense that you'd hardly remember your past life if you go for the bunraku doll route.

>>54451305
Replace Greenhouse with Hand Razors and you have the backstory for Molly Millions

>>54447361
You can't get a legal occupation without a SIN, dude.

>>54451455
I'd work under the table like the my paperless Mexican brethren.

>>54444721
SURGE is pretty much random, why would you have to be a prime runner to end up beeing a lizardman

Just has to be in your recessive genes

>>54440341
Two questions. How hard is it to get a rating 1 fake SIN, and how attractive do I have to be to work at a bunraku parlor?

>>54451542
>How hard is it to get a rating 1 fake SIN
Availability 3F.

>how attractive do I have to be to work at a bunraku parlor?
0 Essence cosmetic bioware/surgery. Volunteer and they'll make you into whatever they need.

>>54444907
>>54444817
Run faster uses a Lizardman as an example for a SURGed character.
id say that means that this would be par the course for a highly surged character.
I mean you could end up with an orange skinnd freak with a bird beak who spits acid out of his sweat glands.

>>54451627
>This would be par for the course

Except surge on that level is like, really really fucking rare.

>>54451726
it is.
And people would probably hate you.
But theres a difference between beeing feared and antagoniized and not beeing recognized as a sentient and shot on spot.

Maybe its different in the english material but in the novel Wiener Blei for example theres a literal Minotaur (which is a metavariant fine but still very rare outside of greece) walking about the place and nobody realy seems to give an awfull lot of a shit about it besides beeing intimidated by how HUGE he is.

Maybe europes supposed to be more tolerant or something, i dont know. But at least in that book it appears to be rather normal.

>>54451726
>>54451627
>>54451772

People forget that SURGE isn't all -that- eyecatching in the 6th world because of all the crazy cosmetic surgery and fashion people do.

We're talking about where growing fur, having a tail grafted, or artificial technicolor hair are just temporary fashion statements.

>>54451772
It's because 4chan highly exaggerates the effects of being a freak whenever it comes up in any game or scenario.

>>54451874

I've had a character with technicolour hair before. She was a social infiltrator with fibre optic hair that could shift colours. Between runs she went with full shifting rainbow colours.

>>54451909
>4chan
smells more like DnD to me
>anything that isnt a male human fighter is that guy territory

>>54451919
pink mohawk as shit then

>>54452017
Whether you want to blame it on 4chan or DnD, the result is the same.
Greatly fucking exaggerated reactions to freaks, greatly minimized amount of people who don't give a shit.
I mean, fuck, the majority ALWAYS doesn't give a shit. About anything.

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>>54444064
>Why?
Because this is an actual game rule:

>FREAKS

>Many of the Negative Metagenic Qualities provide serious social issues for characters since they look so strange. In a world of cookie-cutter corporate employees and ever-present surveillance, being different makes you stick out like a pink mohawk at a black trench coat convention. That, and everybody looks at you like you have two heads—which may well be one of the things you have.

>Getting down to chrome tacks, what this means is every time you take a quality that mentions this sidebar, you face a –1 dice pool modifer for all Social based tests, and for every three qualities, your Social limit decreases by 1. That’s the straight rules mechanic, but what does it mean to a character? Well, the character is going to be treated like an outsider or an eyesore, no matter where they go. Staring will be expected, whispers and pointing will occur, and frequent jeers are par for the course.

>Certain aspects of a characters freakish appearance may draw violent attention to them from more than just Humanis schmucks. Many changelings who ended up with insectoid or draconic features have suffered from the bug spirit attention (since the bugs often assume them to be rivals) and attacks from dragon-haters during the dragon civil war, pushing them to go into hiding. Some who hid poorly ended up being killed for their appearance alone.

Page 123, Run Faster.

>>54452017

>pink mohawk as shit then

Eh, not really. It was just part of her toolkit for being a social infiltrator, letting her show up as any hair colour the disguise needed without hair dye or wigs.

>>54452119

>every time you take a quality that mentions this sidebar, you face a –1 dice pool modifer for all Social based tests, and for every three qualities, your Social limit decreases by 1.

That seems really silly. I mean, I'm pretty sure the giant lizard man is able to be pretty fucking scary and would be as charming over the matrix as anyone else where you can't see his face.

>>54452187
>A part of shadowrun's rules are retarded
In other news, water is wet.

>>54452187
>>54452362
If you append it for 'in person' it makes a lot more sense. A lizardman 'smiling' might look like he's about to bite you. For that matter, lizard dudes might sound fucking weird, like even weirder than ghouls.

>>54452418
Yeah, you pretty much have to append all shadowrun's rules if you want them to make sense.
The rules really aren't what you play shadowrun for. Other than d6es. People love them damn d6es.

>>54452418
This is why GMing any tabletop game requires a little bit of common sense and independent thinking from the GM. It's not that hard to take these things into account.

>>54452446
>People love them damn d6es.
Oh how many times I've played with the idea of just converting Shadowrun to a d100 system.

>>54452570
Fuck that, keep the D6es, they're the only good part of shadowrun rules.

>>54452581
I mean I love D6s, just not having to count how many are in my bucket before I empty it all over the table. And d100 system gives a comfort in visible percentages.

>>54452570

>Oh how many times I've played with the idea of just converting Shadowrun to a d100 system.

That would be the first edition of Eclipse Phase.

>>54452446
there's just something cathartic about being able to say "I got this" then drop a massive cube of them. A nice visual to show just how good your character is at a thing at a glance.

>>54444643
You need to take a better look at the changeling qualities, because the overwhelming majority of them are some sort of anthromorphic animal feature.

>>54444753
>Even in the shadows that shit is still fucking bizarre and unusual
A perfect lizardman SURGE might be, but just having scales or a few other features would be common AF among changelings.

>>54444817
>And how many people are well-informed?
Through the 2060s, photogenic changelings were being snapped up by corporations for media. There's even an interview with a catgirl in one of the books. Probably 'Year Of The Comet'. They were plastered all over the media. So people might not be well informed per se, but they know changelings.

>>54448176
Karl Kombatmage, etc already exist, as do shadowrunning trid shows. The only difference would be explicitly stating that they're connected.

>>54448941
Without it, the rest technically works.

Sleeping Tiger is a line, not a single item of clothing, blood crystals work with magic, and code != code of honour.

>>54448859
You are beautiful.

I have a question: Does a shock pad stack with folding stock for recoil control? Chummer doesn't show it as stacking, but I can't see anything in the rules saying it doesn't. I'm using the most recent stable chummer release.

>>54453974
Disregard that I suck cocks

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Has anyone had a chance to muck about with Dedicated Spellslinger/Conjurer? If so, how'd it go?

>>54454193
I put together a pacifist adept mystic adept for a game. It was looking ok, right up until the GM got squirrelly over an innocuous disagreement (the colour of Nuyen), and then bumped the group size up to a full dozen with a bunch of people who had (seemingly) never played Shadowrun before.

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Are there any rules for implanting objects in your body? You know, like a skin pocket or a smuggling compartment, but they're not intended to ever come back out again. I'd like to stick some foci inside of one of my characters that way.

>>54454193
>Has anyone had a chance to muck about with Dedicated Spellslinger/Conjurer?
No, but I could see Dedicated Conjurer going pretty alright with a combination of Channeling and an assortment of bound spirits with spells as their bonus powers.

>>54454460
Eh. Skin tattoo foci are barely defined rules-wise, but follow the same sort of principle, so I guess you're okay?

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>>54454495
What, like getting my ribs etched instead of my skin inked?

Hardcore.

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Are there rules for bunkers?

>>54454654
>>54454495
Man I really want to get my bones etched with orichalcum and gold just to leave a stylin' skeleton.

>>54454654
I actually just meant that there was a precedent for having your Foci not be seperate objects that you carry around but you should absolutely do that.

I sort of want to run a shadowrun apocalypse scenario game.
I'm thinking of an AI going skynet, but being interrupted by bug spirits, with the runners caught in the middle.
Is this a good idea?

Would anyone mind explaining the "Stack" rules for Custom Fit to me? Is there anything stopping me from wearing Second Skin underneath a Chameleon suit to buff my survivability?

>>54454890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wtRNNWJ8sY

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How so I pic related as effectively as possible ? Obviously two heavily augmented cyberarms, but what kind of pistol would work best ? Actual dual-weilding or just having 2 pistols ?

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>>54453646
See >>54453690

Some does not equal furry. Full on lizard man equals furry, which is what that fucker was talking about.

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>>54454661
There are barrier rules and rules for structural damage (core and R&G explosives section, respectively). So you could math out what a bunker would be like. There's no rules for buying plots of land or construction, afaik.

What's the closest thing I can get to playing a treant?
Should I just refluff a troll?

>>54455243
Troll with SURGE, probably of the Giant metavarient.

>>54455243
Possibly fluffing it as a Free Spirit inhabiting a tree? If that's even possible, but it's the closest I can think of.

>>54455323
>Giant
Yeah, the trolls with bark skin is probably a good call.

>>54455081
Don't dual-wield, it's shit. You split your dicepool, and you can't attack the same target more than once so having two pistols doesn't help you any other than potentially allowing you the choice of different ammunition.

Which you can do with a revolver and ammo skip system.

>>54444064
Man those guys all look like there cold blooded.

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What is the best advice you can give for somebody playing in his first Shadowrun game, latest edition, on character building?

>>54455081
The simple, straight forward answer is "Don't".

The slightly more rules nuanced version is "use the Surprise rules to prevent your targets getting a defence test or reacting to you on the first turn."

Just make sure they're down before the start of the second turn. Immediate toxins will help, as they take effect at the end of the turn.

>>54455908
>The simple, straight forward answer is "Don't".

>>54455800
>>54455965
Well yeah I do have to split my pool up if I do a split attack, but I wouldn't lose anything for simply having a second gun out (except off-hand penalty but shhhh). If it comes to that, isn't it better to have a second weapon already ready than reloading ?

Also, which is best pistol sized weapon? Savalette ? why do machine pistols not get any AP ?

>>54455985
>Not the bitchy, passive-aggressive, unoriginal answer.

>>54456031
Because you can use APDS rounds.

>>54456031
>isn't it better to have a second weapon already ready than reloading ?
If you can reliably quick draw, then having a weapon out when you're not using it ... well, you can, but you don't have to.

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>>54455908
>It's always better to specialise than spread your resources out too far, your teammates are there to pick up the slack, don't worry.
>Rule of 12, 10 and 8: Have around 12 dice in your main skill, 10 in your secondary and 8 in tertiary skills
>If you're gonna gimp an attribute, don't go lower than 2. Having 1 in an attribute will fuck you over more than you'll think.
>Always start with some dice in Stealth, Perception, Etiquette, gymnastics, First-Aid and some kind of firearms skill.
>Buy a commlink (and a couple cheap burner-links), knife, plastic restraints, a gun, a rating-3 medkit, a rating 4 fake SIN and licenses, a handful of RFID tags, and a respirator or gasmask. There's definitely more you'll need, but I'd consider those to be the absolute essentials right now
>Start with at least an armor-jacket and helmet, it's an ideal amount of protection that won't draw too much attention
>Pack a non-lethal option such as stick-'n-shock rounds or a taser. The more you can avoid lethal action, the better
>If you're not the streetsam and/or don't have the investment in initiative-enhancing 'ware, pack some Cram or Jazz. The small risk of addiction is worth the penalty
>Even if you don't have good shooting abilities, full-auto suppressing fire means you can still contribute to a firefight
>A cyberarm with 9 Agility (and optionally 9 strength) can allow a non combat-oriented runner to contribute to firefights with one-handed weapons
>Make sure one of your starting contacts is a Fixer, as they can effectively get you set up with any other contact you might need
That's all I can think of off the top of my head right now.

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>>54456305
Fank u

Hey I may have a chance of getting a genuine 4th ed 20th anniversary hardcover in good condition from someone. I'm planning to get it anyways solely because of the aesthetic but, how is 4e overall, specially compared to 5e? Any big pros or cons between each?

>>54456496
4e has the better base core Character Creation system. 4e arguably has better fluff, and a much wider variety of books and setting material.

5e has better Matrix rules, and a wider variety of weapon damage codes (which is nice because it means that not every gun in a class is the same damn shit aside from price, magazine, and recoil compensation) along with rules for alchemy.

So, my friend is making a decker for the first time, and he had this idea to have two decks: a cheap one to get marks, and a powerful for everything else so that he can reboot without losing his marks.

Does this work, or are marks done by device? And if it does work, is it a good or terrible idea?

>>54456702
Even cheap decks are pretty expensive. It's not a bad idea if you come across a spider's deck in play, but it's gonna be stretching him too thin to do it out of chargen.

Unless you're doing a prime runner or sum to 12 game or something.

>>54456553
> better base core Character Creation system
I disagree.
>a much wider variety of books
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>>54456702
It is retarded for several reasons. Even if that could work (and it doesn't work since a persona is formed on a device), he'd have to blow all the resources for it.

>>54457001
Yeah, but using the one deck to get enough marks means you can just order the host to give marks to your more powerful deck's persona. It's awkward and not particularly efficient, but doable.

So, /srg/ the Internal Router 'ware.

Because the rules just say "some wireless bonues" where do you all draw the line for what it affects?

>>54457020
>>54456702
>>54457001
Because of the way techno "programs" work, I could see doing it with a techno and his sprites.
Use the sprites to get all the marks for the mission, then just spam the offensive "go for the jugular" type hack and watch em drop.

>>54457020
There's no persona on a deck you don't work on. Well you could run an agent there, I suppose...

>>54457282
Ag...yeah, exactly. It's wonky, but theoretically possible.

>>54457088
PCs get to keep all the bonuses that don't require external data. And probably hydraulic jacks' bonuses too because it's funware.

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>>54456553
Don't forget that 5th has non-retarded rules for auto fire
>>A baseline Ares Alpha has more potential damage than a baseline Panther XXL
>mfw

>>54457318
Clarification: green-text is referring to 4e

>>54457313
so reduced action reloads = OK
Smartlink = no go?

>>54457287
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Double teaming with your agent for teamwork bonuses works better.

>>54457343
Smartlink is probably go since it's a separate connection from the PAN.

>>54457418
So as long as the gun is fully isolated from the PAN, the worst that can happen is the gun alone gets bricked, right?

>>54457343
Basically yes, that is what I do. But still I think I'll houserule that they can keep all the bonuses. The router is a big investment essence-wise, why not give players a bit more? I mean, smartlink is just two extra dice, and if a dude has a router he probably already has plenty. So what's the problem?

>>54457441
I believe so, but you should really be slaving your devices to a PAN even if you're using a wireless router for your cyberware. The firewall on most commlinks is gonna be higher than your gun on its own.

>>54456553
>much wider variety of books
That was true two years ago. Not so much anymore.

Hey /srg/, quick question. For an infiltrator adept, is an HK 227 good enough at start?

I haven't read the blood crystal book yet. Aside from the new blood metamagics, is there anything else really obscene/ED focused in there?

>>54457793
HK 227 is a solid gun, if you're not trying to conceal it.

Your automatics skill is gonna be more important than what gun you use though.

>>54457020
>Yeah, but using the one deck to get enough marks means you can just order the host to give marks to your more powerful deck's persona.
No doubling up on personas.

>You can only run one persona at a time; switching requires you to reboot both the device you’re currently on and the device to which you want to shift your persona.

>>54457282
If you're not running a persona on a commlink or cyberdeck, then you're not using it.

>>54457897
Agents, omae. Agents.

>>54457504
it's still true in terms of books that have any value mechanically or even fluff-wise. Most of the 5e books fucking suck.

>>54444340
Play a Mystic Adept with 6 Magic, and convince your DM that your own metatype counts for the animal transformation spell. Then slap the Armor spell on yourself fluffed to look like a magical girl getup, and use a Weapon Focus Staff with the Elemental Strike Adept power or whatever it's called (it lets you add an element's damage type to a Weapon Focus).

Specialize 100% in casting and hitting things very hard, pick up your favorite magical initiative boost(s), and zip around the battlefield as a superpowered pink blur.

>>54454890
That's very much Second Skin's gimmick, thus it comes with Custom Fit by default. Your other shit needs to be fit for it, though. As in everything you're stacking needs the Custom Fit quality, which whether or not it can be applied after the items creation is a GM question.

>>54455087
ACKSUALLY anon
Its a scalie.
Subtle diffference

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>>54455087
>which is what that fucker was talking about
Hey buddy, fuck you too

>>54454890
Custom fit (stack) items only stack with other parts of their product line by RAW so you couldn't stack it with a chameleon suit, but with any of the Zoe products it's a go (Executive Suite, Heritage, and Moonsilver).

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>>54458086

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>>54458704
>Custom fit (stack) items only stack with other parts of their product line by RAW
No.

As you can see the Custom Fit on all parts has to have been done by the same person, but the Custom fit can be adjusted (such as to accomodate stat changes). Thus you can bring all the pieces you are intending to stack to an Armorer and have them Custom Fit together for stacking for the price/time, and they will all have been fitted by the same maker for the same person.

>>54442970
Have them be a recon team to find her. Let them roleplay the team thought good enough to rescue her while their PCs get to watch. After they get wiped out weakening the guards the PCs have to finish the job. The players get to practice player knowledge vs. PC knowledge.

>>54451493
I find this hilarious for some reason.

>>54458897
You're reading between the lines pretty heavily there, it says by the same maker and offers no qualifiers that say that you can apply it to armours outside that line. Now, logically there's no real word reason you couldn't do what you you say, but that isn't RAW.

>>54459397
I see zero contradiction in RAW as to what I said, while your summing it up as "from the same line" is actually further from what is stated, since you can't buy one piece of the line and steal the other piece off some guys back and wear them together and then have them magically stack because they're "from the same line."

Look at the Second Skin. It HAS NO line. It is a standalone item, with Custom Fit (Stack). It is meant to be fitted, BY YOU, for a specific piece of armored clothing to be worn with, as said in the text blurb, except obviously for it to work that piece of Armored Clothing needs to be given the quality aswell. Either it works this way, or it never works at all and you can never stack a Second Skin.

>>54459397
>>54459426

Don't forget about the whole 'knockoff products' bit. Every corp has their own brand of a given piece of equipment.

>>54459472
"Maker" the way it is placed in the sentence and considering what the text box describes refers to the maker of the custom fit, not the maker of the item involved.

>>54459426
Sorry I shouldn't have said line there I should have said manufacturer, in my original post I've classified all the Zoe lines as stacking with it.
And your first part is irrelevant though true, I've only talked about the manufacturer limitation on it because that's the relevan t one to the question asked.

>>54459518
The question he asked referred to Second Skins, which have no stated manufacturer. So no, nothing relevant. As >>54459472 said you could literally say "My Second Skin is the Ares variant, and my Chameleon Suit, too" and that would work, if manufacturer of the item mattered, which it doesn't. because the line you're clinging to literally is "have been custom fit by the same maker, for the same person", the verb clearly being the custom fit.

>>54459539
They're Zoe, like all the things under their heading, the formatting is bad but it's discernible.

>>54457318
>Getting hit six times hurts more than getting hit once.
Boy I understand that the Panther XXL feels a bit underwhelming, but being able to actually put most bullets in the target instead of having to default to shooting wide just to get one bullet to hit is a nice thing in my opinion.

After all that Lizadmen discussion I have a question considering Heavy SURGEd characters.
If theoretically such character would have a progeny would it resemble him even though his SURGE is extremly rare like that lizardman mutation for example or would his children be something else?

>>54459771
As I understand it, SURGE expression is in part dependent on the local mana levels, so it's quite likely that their kids would not express unless they were in a high mana zone. Of course, exposure to high mana later it life may cause a spontaneous expression.

>>54457927
To run an agent, you have to be able to run programs. To run programs, you need to boot up with your persona. To boot up with your persona ...

Your other option is to stare at the login screen of your OS blankly, hoping it will just start doing what you want. (protip: it won't)

>>54459771
There's no certainty in passing on damaged metagenetics. (which is what SURGE is) You could pass on any combination of your genetics and your partner's, which may result in worse afflictions, or none at all.

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