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When's the last time your character took a bath?

>>54435022
Last night into this morning. She's a mermaid who sleeps in a portable bathtub.

>>54435057
Sleeping in potable tubs is top tier, you have fine taste.

>>54435022
PRESTIDIGITATION

can you use vital strike as part of a full attack action or just when you make a regular attack action?

>>54435085
it hurts to look at you, anon
you didn't even fucking read the rules, did you

>>54435099
What do you want to bet he's like the friend I have who's been playing Pathfinder for almost half a decade and still doesn't grasp how Deadly Aim works?

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>>54435080
FUCKING CASTERS GET OUT, REEEEEEEEEEE

Get in the fucking tub!

>>54435099
the description of vital strike states 'when you use the attack action".

>>54435118
But she needs to cast Create Water to fill the tub, you silly

>>54435123
You know what that isn't? A full-attack.

>>54435123
Gee i wonder if there's something different from an attack action and a full attack

>>54435123
Now take a moment to think. Use that noggin. Which one of those two are more likely to be the "attack action" that you seek? Is it the thing that's called a FULL attack action, or is it the one called just the attack action (not "regular", just attack action)?

>>54435022
The PLD party almost drowned today if that counts.

>>54435162
yeah but you can make an attack, and then decide to full attack or not. It states it right in the rules of attacking that you don't have to declare you're making a full attack. I'm not talking about two weapon fighting.

>>54435184
Nope. Tell them to get back in the water and don't come up until they stop twitching.

>>54435180
what I'm asking is if I have two attacks from my base attack bonus, if I can make the first one using vital strike and then attack again normally.

>>54435212
no.

>>54435212
No you dumb fucknut, you can't. Because Vital Strike is not usable with the full attack action, and you need to take a full attack action to make multiple attacks from a high BAB (or TWF). And so, if you make one attack with Vital Strike, you lock yourself out of taking the option of making a second attack, because you can't full attack anymore.

>>54435212
You either make one attack with vital strike, using the attack action, or you make a full attack

HOLY FUCK WHY CAN'T NIGGERS JUST READ THE RULES

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>>54435147
Get buckets and a well, you divine spell bootlicker! Ain't no way but the martial way! We work for our comfort!
>>54435199
It's a Standard, and can't be used as part of a full attack. I am feeling incredibly abrasive, do further arguments to three contrary will be met with derision.
>>54435184
Unless you scrubbed behind your ears while struggling for breath, it doesn't fucking count.

>>54435249
No! Mermaids can use as much magic as they want, and PoW is shit! Go back to the grave from which you rose!

>>54435249
Fucking phone!

>>54435246
christ, you don't gotta be a fucking asshole dude. I'ts one particular question about a particular feat, you act like I'm asking "DURR WHICH DICE DO I ROLL"

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>>54434760

Describe to me the sexiest build.

>>54435281
"DURR WHICH DICE DO I ROLL" implies you can't read. "DURR WHAT IS THE ATTACK ACTION" implies the same. Thus, you can't read, and the reaction is completely justified.

Now get out, nigger.

>>54435281
You literally fucking are, you are literally asking a basic question. The attack action and the full attack action are different. You absolutely cannot read.

>>54435212
Anon I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not trolling but are rather some kind of a noob, but if you're doing something that takes an Attack action to complete, that action is going to be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to a full attack action, which eats up both your move and standard/attack action in order to actually hit more than once.

>>54435117
I'm sorry but I feel the need to expand on this, when I say that she doesn't know what it does I mean that I watched her try to shoot something with a crossbow, roll a D20 then add no bonuses to her attack roll, then if she hit she described her damage as being her Dex mod+her level. Apparently she came to this conclusion after reading the text blurb on the feat listing and not actually clicking into the feat to read what exactly it did.
>>54435281
As far as I can tell you're guilty of the same thing she is, any level of investigation would have told you what an attack action implies.

>>54435297
Grappling mermaid

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>>54435262
Disgusting chumshits and their mermagic.
>>54435297
Tetori Monk. Come to papa.

>>54435322

Grappling Lamia also works in a landbased campaign.

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>>54435297

Mysterious stranger

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>>54435022
A few threads ago.

>>54435246
He has, he's trying to be a munchkin.

>>54435336
Naw dawg, the tough bitch crawling toward her foe at low speed is half the appeal.

>>54435372

is that even a term anymore?

>>54435184
And fucked by tentacles?

>>54435394
Yes.

>>54435394
Yes. It applies to people who try to be rules lawyers but don't actually have any basis for their claims at all.

>>54435352
I remember that. Were you they anon that drew it, or the player for one of the subjects?

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>>54435297

I'd give some credence to the Catfolk rogue.

>>54435313
Y don't you answer the newcomer like a fellow gamer who was once green instead of being a promoter of this incestual circlejerk?!

>>54435480
Because if the newcomer read the rules, the newcomer would know the answer. They are asking somebody to not explain a strange rules interaction, but something that is clearly spelled out for them. The books exist for a reason. Pfsrd exists for a reason.

>>54435432
XS drew it. I just asked for the hat.

>>54435480
Because newcomers need to be scared away from Pathfinder. It's a terrible system.

>>54435480
If the fuck can't read i don't want him.

>>54435525
It's a nice hat!

>>54435480
Because we aren't your personal fucking knowledge bank. If you want something actually obscure or confusing we're happy to help, we're not here to spoonfeed you the fucking CRB, especially if you can't type like someone who isn't suffering from fucking downs

I get it. I've been around awhile, but try not to be a collosal douche. Fuck, man. Fuck off. Invite new players. Fucksa matter with you?

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>>54435297

Pitborn Tiefling Ungermaw.

>>54435480
>fellow gamer
someone who can't read simple shit is no fellow of mine

>>54435603
We hate you because you're a fucking faggot, anon. You deserve everything that is thrown at you, and if this is enough to scare you off you never belonged here in the first place.

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>>54435604

partial to human Ungermaws myself.

>>54435580
It's people like you, who think you are ennobled because you memorized 800 pages of text, that ruin this site. I would gladly shit in your mother's cunt.

>>54435638
And you too, if you're not the same stupid cocksucker. It is a community, you stupid fucking moron. Know what that means?

>>54435657
>>54435701
Bro this has nothing to do with 800 pages, this is something you should know within the first like, 3 pages of information about this game.

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>>54435651
>>54435604

standard devil spawn tief ungermaws are best. Prove me wrong.

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>>54435603
If a player wants to join, there is a minimum amount of effort they need to put in. Anon didn't put that effort in, and wanted information they could find incredibly easily. That's not being a fellow gamer.
>>54435657
It's not about memorization. A quick search of the pfsrd would have given the exact answer laid out clearly. Instead of making any effort to find the information, they held their hands out, expecting spoonfeeding. If you're a part of this community, lift your weight.

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>>54435604
>>54435651
>>54435730
D A E M O N S

Is there any way to guarantee a percentile roll, or even a d10 roll? In the same way a Cyclops Helm does for other kinds of rolls.

For the purpose of getting the most out of Amnesiac Psychic.

>>54435748

all ungermaw party when?

>>54435517
Chill the fuck out man, what crawled up your ass?

It's not that hard a thing to be unsure of.

>>54435580
You're kind of a shitter, anon.

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What's the best class for a Black Knight?

Not necessarily THE Black Knight as in pic related, but something similar.
I'm thinking a Hellknight of some kind, but I don't know whether or not it's the best choice

>>54435734
Mebbe motherfucker wanted the how and why. Are there any exceptions, loopholes, advantages I can take advantage of? Maybe just new here. Get the fuck off your horse and DONT BE A DOUCHE!!

>>54435404
We killed the giant squid of the lake and nobody was lewded that day.

>>54435787
When people get their apps in for the Feast and the Furious:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75987/the-feast-and-the-furious

>>54435805
Antipaladins are good. Especially with Tyrant letting you not be a douchelord.

>>54435807
Go back to /reddit/ you fucking child, you have to be able to fucking read before you can come here.

>>54435826
Tyrant is just as much of a Douchelord as regular anit-paladins, they're just self righteous and up their ass about it.

No wonder this place is such an inbred, degenerate shit-hole with fucking idiot fucks like you greeting newcomers. Do us all a favor and keep ur dickhole shut.

>>54435872
Stop obviously samefagging and go back to /reddit/ already.

>>54435801
This isn't reddit. You're expected to put in at least a minimum effort.

>>54435821
I would unironically play this

>>54435826
Yeah, I thought of that. I plan on making him LE, so it looks alright. I'm not sure about the manipulation aspect of it though. This will be a villain that will hopefully lead the party to investigate his organization

>>54435805
There isn't actually one kind of black knight. In video games it's usually just some evil knight, but I would say that's actually the more uncommon kind in literature.

Sometimes it's just a heroic knight without a lord. Sometimes it's just a powerful knight who conceals his identity. Sometimes it's a disgraced but still-noble wanderer.

>>54435885
That is a minimum effort, dickweasel. They were asking about actual rule interactions.

People bitch and whine about this place being nothing but waifus and shitposting, but you stop that kind of thing by being an open community so new people join and it doesn't become incestuous.

wich Ensoulment wud u hugg?

>>54435787
>>54435748
>>54435651
>>54435604

>First session tensions rise as the party realizes they have. Collectively on their person. 3 days of trail rations. which would hardly last one day for one of them.
>Moral debates surge on who goes hungry.
>one of them makes a grand discovery! Nearly every living creature is made of meat!
>crisis averted! Lets go hunting!
>That dragon looks tasty!

>>54435921
Yes, but I'm specifically modeling him after that Black Knight. I'm not trying to replicate his exact stat line, but he will be similar

>>54435945
no minimum effort is reading the fucking rules, in the most basic way.

We don't want to be an open community where anyone who can shit themselves can join, if you can't fucking read, I don't want you posting in this thread, let alone have you as a player.

I'm happy to answer complex RAW questions, but when people come in here with basic bitch shit, i've got no patience for that.

>>54435945
Thank you.

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>>54435604
>>54435651
>>54435730
You might find it's the small races that can really pack it away

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>>54435998

>>54435945
>failing to recognize people trying to destroy the community for their own sadistic pleasure and nefarious purposes
Eh, it'll pass.

>>54435990
Fuck off... to anyplace else. Reddit, anywhere. Your kind is not welcome here.

>>54435022
>Character 1
A few days ago. They've been in pursuit of some serious, time-sensitive threats and haven't had a moment to relax just yet.
>Character 2
Yesterday. They've been exploring uncharted woodlands and there ample streams for bathing.
>Character 3
A few days ago. They've a long journey ahead of them, and much ground to cover in a short time before a proper bath might be had.

>>54435956
Matheo.
Chivalrous and knightly types tend to lead hard lives, more so if they're actually committed to high ideals.

And the more of us that speak out against this bullshit, the less we will see it. Go back to /a/ or wherever you fucking faggots hang out.

>>54435022
>Character A
Finally got the opportunity just a little while ago after sleeping in caves for a few days beforehand.

>Character B
Bathes regularly over the last couple years.

>Character C
He's been out in the woods, so occasionally the party can be assumed to stop and bathe at a stream, or else just get a bucket and a cloth to wash in the privacy of a tent.

>>54435801
I'm completely chill, and it's really clearly said, an attack action is a standard action. Anon didn't read, and anon was told to go read. What did anybody expect?
>>54435807
I haven't called anybody a single name. I haven't told anybody to fuck off. If telling somebody to read is being a douche, then I'm a douche. It's written in the rules right there. There isn't a how and why beyond that. Read, and you'll know that. Simple as that. It's not a high horse to expect somebody to read the instructions before asking questions. I'm seriously being civil here. Don't try to aim for loopholes without a solid understanding of the rules. You'll fall flat on your face. Read the rules, play with some friends, get comfortable, then dig deeper. If you do it before, you'll have no fucking idea how your character works.

>>54435959

I would unironically play this game.

>>54435990
Y'ever sat down and thought about how many goddamn rules there are in this game?

And also, have you ever thought that some people want to ask people who specifically know rather than try to puzzle out this super specific system on their own? That maybe it could be an opportunity for them to talk about something and get involved in the community? That maybe people ASK OTHER PEOPLE because they WANT TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE?

Them asking doesn't hurt you in any way, so don't chuck such a goddamn tantrum over it, you baby.

>>54436093
Have you ever tried reading the basic rules, so that you don't ask super basic questions on level with 'what dice do i roll now?'

Once again, I don't want people who can't read here. If you can't read, fuck off to 5e or some other game where they'll coddle and spoonfeed you, but if you can't be bothered to read and understand THE MOST BASIC RULES OF THE SYSTEM I have no time for you.

>>54436078
>HOLY FUCK WHY CAN'T NIGGERS JUST READ THE RULES

Civil. Uhuh.

Maybe take some time off 4chan pal.

>>54436078
the confusion was because the rules state you can use the attack action as a standard action and then decide if you want to continue attacking or move.

>>54436116
Have you considered there's maybe more than one guy in this thread who thinks you're a fucking illiterate shitskull, nigger?

Because there is. We're just varying amounts of polite about telling you that.

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>>54436107
How the fuck does someone end up this elitist over goddamn Pathfinder

>>54435998
>>54436010
>>54435959
>>54435748

you all are nice people. and i want you to stay around.

>>54436143
And have YOU thought that maybe there's more than one person telling you that you're a raging cunt?

I'm not the newbie guy.

>>54436149
I don't know man, how does one become elitist over 'reading the rules'
Yeah man what dice do i roll to attack?
>>54436179
Well then you too need to go back to /reddit/ where you belong.

>>54436179
Then you're just as bad as him for plying forgiveness where none is deserved.

This is not your home.

>>54436078
I get it, dude. But rtfm isn' how we promote community.

>>54436149
Ever seen a 4e player anon? They were so fucking elitist they became hypocrites about the fallibility of their own system - and to this day they'll lie to someone's face if they have the slightest hope that someone might play 4e.

>>54436169

Ungermaws are secretly the most powerful characters in the game.

They can swallow buildings whole and spit them out as projectiles, and they can completely obliterate the Tarraque for good provided it can get knocked down to negative hp for a round.

>>54436107
Moron, it IS an open community. Why not try to make it a better one?!

>>54436207
i don't give a fuck about community
>>54436215
good if pathfinder dies all the better.

>>54436184
Lemme guess, you're one of those assholes who try to defend your retarded behaviour by claiming 'muh board culture' aren't you.

>>54436215
Yeah, but that's because 4e players were desperately trying to prove their game wasn't shit. We know our game's shit. How do you get elitist over something you know is shit.

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Getting a Megaloceros animal companion with 6 int. Is there a good feat progression to take advantage of its powerful charge ability?

>>54436227
Because spoonfeeding actual retards who cannot read will not make the community better, it will make it worse, we need to drive those scum the fuck out.
>>54436231
all i'm elitist over is the ability to read.

>>54435657
>all of 4chan is ruined by some neckbeards
Pathetic.

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>>54436230
If you don't care about pathfinder, why are you here?

>>54436249
>I need to drive people away, this is what makes community good

Also you already admitted you don't give a fuck about community.

>>54436249
I would rather drive your type of scum away.

>>54436207
Actually, you know what? It is. This community was built by thousands and thousands of people, screaming hatred at each other and calling everyone they saw a faggot, until they embraced those things as part of themselves.

We are shitposters and faggots at our hearts. That is what makes us anons. If you are too weak to make the same journey, to embrace the hatred that fuels us and turn it into cheeky-but-cheerful camaraderie, then you are not one of us, and you should get the fuck out.

TL;DR >>>/reddit/

>>54436249
Ignorance can be taught away. Stupidity cannot. You are stupid. We can at least teach the ignorant to read.

>>54436269
because this is my hole.
>>54436271
"how dare he suggest that someone read!"
>>54436278
Being unable to read isn't ignorance, its retardation.

>>54436276

>>54436231

Called it.

>>54436269
Welcoming newfags en-masse has never made a community good.

>>54436320
>4chan culture is bad
>we should be nice and welcoming, like reddit guys

I wonder who's behind this post...

>>54436320
Deal with it m8.

>>54436320
Good for you, now get the fuck out.

Getting away from stupidity for a second, I have an actual question I'd like your opinions on. What color dragon, if any, do you guys think would be most likely to be involved in raising the dead?

>>54436226

>"Evil is not only delicious, but nutritious "

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>>54436116
Yes, because I clearly typed that. There are multiple users in this thread.
>>54436123
That is actually not true. You can decide to forgo your remaining attacks after the first, but it doesn't say that makes it an attack action. It doesn't mention the attack action at all. So where would they have gotten that?

>>54436350
Raising the dead, or animating the dead?

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>A realm of vast wastelands under a rotten sky, Abaddon is perpetually cloaked in a cloying black mist and the oppressive twilight of an endless solar eclipse. The poisoned River Styx has its source in Abaddon, before it meanders like a twisted serpent onto other planes. Abaddon may be the most hostile of the Outer Planes; it is the home of the daemons, fiends of pure evil untouched by the struggle between law and chaos, who personify oblivion and destruction. Daemons, which are ruled by four godlike archdaemons, are feared as devourers of souls

Abaddon campaign WHEN?

>>54436350
Are we restricting ourselves to classic chromatic colors? Black. Otherwise Negative Energy.

>>54436230
Then take a flying creampuff off the end of my dick, as well as everyone else here who does care about community, or "fuck of back to reddt" you fucking useless troll.

>>54436350

Greens and blacks most likely.

Maybe the odd blue

>>54436350
Black dragon swamp zombies. Do it. DO IT

>>54436207
It is though. Read the Fine Manual is how you can contribute to the community instead of making people spoonfeed you the entire Manual. It demonstrates that you're willing to put in effort and are willing to come to the table, so to speak, ready to talk about the game and not about something explicitly laid out in the rulebook.

Parrot, we know you're upset, but that doesn't make your point any less wrong. Just fuck off and fly back to discord where you belong.

>>54436269
A bigger community is not necessarily a better community, i would rather have a small one that gives a fuck and knows its shit than a big one full of idiots

>>54436322
I will continue to smash your stance and others will back me. Change your attitude, dude.

>>54436375
but reddit is where you belong

>>54436350
Actually, it would probably be Umbral Dragons, as their breath weapon is literally negative energy. But Crypt dragons, a form of Planar dragon, are the epitome of what you want.

>>54436365
Animating.

>>54436372
I'm willing to do any of them DESU, though I wasn't aware there was a dragon subtype native to the Negative plane.

>>54436377
>>54436401
Seems that Black is a popular choice. I was hoping to save that particular color for another one, but that may be what I'll end up doing.

>>54436430
Wait, this entire shitshow is the Discord sperging out again?

>>54436447
muh social justice muh smash the fash

>>54436413
They asked one question, not just 'how do I play this game'

>>54436356
Under combat, under standard actions.

>>54436465
if it is, its not the cabalcord

>>54436446
A small community of toxic fucks, like yourself, is an any way better? How?

>>54436465
Nah.

I'm going to kill everyone, and then myself.

>>54436459

Remember blacks are more likely to have reptilian servants. so you could theoretically go with Greens, the "smart ones".

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Is the Deities DM going to allow undead "classes" like the Ghoul? For what it's worth, I want to play one but it's purely for the fluff implications, rather than the racial bonuses.

>>54436521
Didn't that Dm say the game isn't running any time soon?

>>54436503
>toxic
go back to league of legends kiddo, holy shit.

>>54436371
Destruction is chaotic evil but also the purest evil untouched by chaos? Paizo?

>>54436514
Go to bed, Woolie.

>>54436514
You should do the opposite of that

>>54436521
I'd go ghoul blooded sorcerer if you wanted to go that route.

>>54435956
I'd hug all of them.

>>54436542
No, it's neutral evil. the Abyss is chaotic evil.

>>54436430
I'm reading discord and agreeing with Kawase somehow

he's being a dick but his point is that it's stupid to get upset over people being dicks on 4chan

>It's another "Kawase ruins the thread" episode

>>54436542
What's the issue? Daemons are as willing to work within the confines of the law as they are willing to break said laws. They are not considered with corruption or domination, only destruction.

>>54436577
fucking shitters don't use quotation marks

>>54436457
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Umbrals, I might just end up doing one of those.

>>54436517
I was trying to save Green for the Nature loving "may as well be an evil Druid" bastard given their natural spell selection from aging.

>>54436430
Just because I'm talking about something in the discord doesn't mean I'm posting about it here.

Arguing in one medium is plenty for me.

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>You will never play a campaign dealing with worst parts of the worst planes uniting to achieve their goals
>tfw no Titans and Daemons teaming up to scour the Material while Qlippoth realize NOW'S OUR CHANCE DEMONS GET OUT REEEEE REEEEE

>>54436616
newfag detected

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I've been drained of my creativity by a long day's work.
What could make a fun, short game? I'm thinking about running something slightly longer than a one-shot since starfinder is releasing soon.

>>54436535
Keen response. Do you feel priveleged? Entitled, grognard? Fuck you, man. You need to step back and reevaluate yor self-worth. Protip: It ain't much. Not to anybody here or anywhere else, I suspect.

>>54435815
>PLD party avoided tentacle rape again
doubt.jpg

What do people think about the Akashic classes?

>>54436706
Oh yeah, I feel priviledged and entitled, mmm, oh yeah lay it on me, oooh make me feel guilty more moooree

I literally do not give a fuck about millenial bitches like you that can't handle a few insults on the internet, if you ask a basic bitch question, i'm going to give you the answer and tell you to fuck yourself.

>>54436483
Making an attack is a Standard Action, as stated. Also stated above that section, right under the heading of Standard Action is... Attack Action. The same kind of action mentioned by Vital Strike. One said to be a special type of Standard Action. The question was if you can use Vital Strike as part of a Full-Attack Action, but an Attack Action is said specifically to be a Standard Action. A special type of Standard Action. So, why would you be able to do this?

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>>54436701
Depending on the players, why not a simple delivery quest through this setting

>>54436514
Start with me, I'm ready.

>>54436662
Kawase is a faggot who doesn't use quotation marks

>>54436738
I'm 38, dawg. Been coming around for a grip. My only problem is fucking idiots like you who think because they been haunting the board for a cpl years that they are the prince of the shit. Shut ur fucking mouth and try to be helpful. Clown.

>>54436514
>>54436545
Yeah, Omikron's over. Just play something else and calm down.

>>54436810
I used it today tho

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I don't like this conversation so i will now post muscular women untill it stops.

>>54436821
Omikron's never over; The pain will live on forever in their nightmares.

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>>54436853

>>54436639
While I'm at it, I was also unsure of what I should choose for a sort of "master of constructs" dragon, maybe Blue with the justification that he uses his electricity breath to assist in bringing them to life?

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>>54436870

>>54436853
The hero we don't deserve but who will also probably get the thread pruned

>>54436766
It's been a loooong time since I've last seen talespin.

>>54436072
How was Overlewd?

>>54436758
lol so by your own admittance the question has merit. You act like it's this oh so simple thing and anyone who ever could need clarification about it is a complete moron and yet read your post, it doesn't seem crystal fucking clear at all.

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>>54436884
>>54436895

probably. but hey, good riddance to bad garbage?

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>>54436924

Speaking of pic related.

What's your favorite pure martial build?

>>54436909
it's a simple concept that would slot in well to Starfinder.

Just going to interesting, themed lands and dealing with some situation that they either brought along (need to do ship payments) or have to deal with when they get there (giant space hamster civilization is still only guinea pig sized)

>>54436909
>>54436953

OHH EE YEAH
OHH EE YOH

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>>54436949

I've got a personal preference for polearm users. Specifically when you can use Polearm/spear dance and double weapon it.

>>54436712
It's no lie. Gloriana tore Dina Martel's throat out, too.

>>54436821
>>54436868
I just want them to do Detroit and complete the Sadness Saga.

>>54437005
Huzzah! Glad to hear justice was served in such a dark setting!

>>54436913
PM me later, still in progress.

>>54437040
>somebody's getting PMed
So fucken lood

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>>54436533
>Didn't that Dm say the game isn't running any time soon?

Oh... Oh...

>>54437103
>That downs face

What the fuck is this thread. holy shit.

>>54437040
Sounds good!

>>54437139
Every once in a while /pfg/ just sort of boils over and becomes the biggest dumpster fire on /tg/ for a bit. This should blow over by the weekend

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>>54437103

>>54437126
I'd still hit it.

>>54437139
Grab yourself a muscle bae and post it while you're still able.

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>>54437139
A mess.

>>54437181
I mean I can see an argument, but I have no idea what it's about or who these people are? What do parrots have to do with this?

>>54437199

that's actually unrelated

Wipe this thread from the face of the board

>>54436922
It's very clear. An Attack Action is a special Standard Action. That's it. You use your standard to do it, which means you don't get to Full-Attack. They're 2 different, defined actions that are spelled out in the rules as different. They aren't the same. Honestly, I really don't get what's confusing. The problem is you think the terms are interchangeable, but they aren't. The question boils down to "can I do this special standard action as part of a full-round action?" This is a basic question. Any muddying is trying to get more out of the rules than was presented.

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Hey pgg. I'm making a homebrew world. Lemme tell yah about it.

In this world called Xera there is a single city called Amsemar built within a gigantic pit in the earth and long slope of earth that leads out of the pit and into the surrounding wastelands. A gigantic white, circular wall segments the city into two parts. Within the wall is a paradise inhabited by the precursors, a race with similar qualities to the aasimar, who live in luxury and follow a strict set of ritual guidelines. On the outside live the regular Xerans, with similar traits to tieflings, who have been mutated by the harsh rays of the sun over many millenia. The Xerans work in the mines that surround the city under the guidance of the priest caste, which believe that with enough tribute in gold and jewels that the hardworking Xeran can shed their mortal form and inhabit the body of a Shabti, made from the product of their labor, and rise into the land of the precursors, whom they believe to be the Gods and Goddesses of Xera.

There's a great deal more to the story and the world that will be uncovered by the Xeran party after events have unfolded, but you can see that there is a heavy ancient egyptian influence on the world aesthetically speaking. Sha, mummies, scarab swarms, all that. I like to use music or background noise in a lot of my scenes, so I was wondering if anyone has some musical suggestions for any of the various areas they might encounter.

Also if you have any other tips on a fun egyptian themed game I'm totally open.

>>54437199
People were arguing about it both here and on discord, and in true /pfg/ fashion, some twats try to drag one into the other for no reason.

>>54437233
The actual rules question was irrelevant to the shitstorm.

>>54437233

It could be a bit clearer.

Frankly i'd rule vital strike as being a "Standard Action" rather than "An Attack Action"

>>54437267
That'd probably make life a lot easier.

I mean, it's not inconceivable that someone could think that a full attack is made up of multiple attack actions.

Paizo's writing isn't exactly stellar at the best of times, and CRB shit is the absolute WORST it's ever been.

>>54437267
Would have been clearer, but they wanted it to mesh with other things that are Attack Actions. If they're all separate Standards, Paizo would have to list which ones work together, and that would make adding more interactions more difficult, as they'd need some grand table or you edit the text of the old feats to match the new feats.

I can see why they did it, that doesn't make it any prettier, though.

>>54436995
God that feat chain is badly designed. The FIFTH feat in, you are permitted to use Weapon Finesse with the thing you've been presumably swinging around off a bad attribute for all eight previous fucking levels. Paizo puts zero thought into whether concepts are allowed to work at a reasonable level.

>>54437386
Charging Momentum (Weapon Mastery)
You use the momentum of your charge to deal devastating
damage to your opponents.
Prerequisites: Str 13, Vital Strike, fighter level 5th,
weapon training with a melee weapon.
Benefit: Whenever you charge an opponent and make a single
melee attack at the end of your charge, you can attempt to strike
with devastating force. You can apply the Vital Strike feat to this
attack. You can apply the Improved Vital Strike or Greater Vital
Strike feat to your charge instead if you have either of those feats.
In addition to those feats usual effects, for every 5 by which your
charging attack roll exceeds the target’s Armor Class, increase the
number of times that you roll your weapon’s damage dice with
the Vital Strike, Improved Vital Strike, or Greater Vital Strike feats
by 1, up to a maximum number of additional rolls equal to your
weapon training bonus (minimum 1).
You cannot benefit from this feat while using any ability that
allows you to take multiple attacks at the end of a charge, such
as the pounce ability.
Combat Trick: Whenever you make a charge attack while
using Charging Momentum, you can spend up to 6 stamina
points. For every 2 stamina points you spend, your weapon
training bonus counts as being 1 higher for the purpose of
determining the maximum number of additional weapon
damage rolls that you can make with this feat.

>>54437214
>>54437250
So the argument in the thread was over elitism? And the aptly named Discord is having some other argument?

>>54437470

Something about politeness of strangers. What constitutes an argument. and the detachment of the politeness filter when your identity isn't displayed.

>>54437470
The two venues were arguing about the same thing, ultimately. Different people though. Maybe. Allegedly. Possibly. Who knows.

Also is Captcha being a bitch for anyone else? It's either 7 rounds of 'signs' or 'pick the things with X then wait for more to slowly fade in after five seconds then do that like three times'

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>>54437528
Legacy captcha m8.

>>54437470
The argument here was that we aren't welcoming to newcomers, I think. It started because somebody asked a question and was told they are stupid and should read the rules.

aaaaaaa I want to be in a meme game!

>>54437551
Then run one and make a DMPC. Tadah!

>>54436817
>38 years old
>using "ur"
>being angry about people being rude on 4chan

Goddamn.

Is there any way to make a longsword or dueling sword count as a monk weapon?

>>54437470
Same argument, though the Discord one was a lot more one-sided since Parrot was making actual, literal non-arguments that amounted to "I can't believe you're saying this when you have a name".

>>54437551
Then DM one

>>54437565
He's actually 12-and-two-thirds.

What're the CHA based initiators?

>>54437588
Gareth hates Cha

>>54437544
I get the sentiment, as I go to /a/, but I think that's their culture and /pfg/ isn't like that. The rules are complicated enough that it pushes people away for us; we don't have to try harder than that.

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>>54437568
>Dragging shit into the thread
>Continuing to do so

>>54437528
>Also is Captcha being a bitch for anyone else? It's either 7 rounds of 'signs' or 'pick the things with X then wait for more to slowly fade in after five seconds then do that like three times'

>Go to Settings ([Settings][Home] is the thing to Ctrl+F if you need to.)
>Go to "Quotes & Replying"
>Check "Legacy Captcha."
>Enjoy

Seriously, even before the Captcha started to shit the bed, this is way way WAY faster. All you gotta do when done with a post is hit tab, smash out the two words, and hit enter. Don't even need to click no more.

>>54437578
Isn't this fucking idiot clever?

>>54437593
It's not really /a/ culture so much as /a/ tries to be more strict about it (/jp/ was way worse about it, they still don't use greentext for example). The complaint was less "you're asking questions" and more "you're asking literally a rulebook question did you even read the rulebook".

>>54437566
Did you check weapon mods from AA2? I know you can get it in the Monk Weapon Group, but that's different. Give it a look, I might have missed it.

>>54437588
The CHA-based full initiators are warlord, zealot, and rajah (which is still in testing). Warlord holds up despite the gambit nerfs and zealot is damn good. From what I've seen and played of rajah, it's shaping up to be amazing.

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>>54437625
The properties you can get from Tactically Adapted doesn't include the Monk property m8.

>>54437617
>this butthurt

>>54437664
>2000 fucking gp to add a bigger crossguard to a sword or hook the end of a polearm

>>54437614
Yeah, I'll probably have to swap to legacy.

I just normally preferred nonlegacy captcha since I got used to it and it USED to be less annoying than legacy. Ah well.

>>54437628
Is Lords of the Wild any closer?

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>>54437645

i think she counts.

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>>54437685
>he thinks martials were meant to do anything but clean up after the true kings of the battlefield

>>54436737
The Daevic is nuts and can do over 1k damage a round at higher levels.

>>54437700
I have no idea. I just got to playtest the rajah as well as see one in action.

>>54437628

After Rajah gets released, that puts us at two Intelligence-based (Warder, Harbinger) initiators, three Charisma-based (Warlord, Zealot, Rajah) initiators, and three Wisdom-based initiators (Stalker, Mystic, Medic.)

I predict the last full Initiator class released will be a hard battlefield control class with an Int-based leaning and a similar chassis to the Rajah. What do you predict, /pfg/?

>>54437755
Revised Belluspex

>>54437755
I predict 5 more months gulag.

>>54437769
What's that?

>>54437714

das an ungermaw and you know it. That is a lady who routinely makes golden corral close early.

Is Cavalier the best non-alignment locked class for heavy armor men?

>>54437884
No, fighter is

>>54437628
What book is the rajah going to be in? Or is it its own separate thing?

>>54437755
Harbinger sans archtype is already a hard battlefield control class. Their 19th level ability being 100% indicative of this

>>54437993
Like I mentioned here >>54437741 , I have no idea.

>>54438002
>19th-level ability

...Sure thing, buddy.

>>54437993
Chances are that it might be its own little PDF release.

>>54438032
Geting half int to attack + int to damage makes you really want to prioritize INT, thus amping your DCs. That combined with save reducing features like Ill Intentions and Bleak Prophecy scream "use save or suck maneuvers, make your enemy think its fighting a control caster"

>>54438047
Of course it is, just like the Medic, and the Empath, or the Malefex. Highlord will be as well.

>>54437741
Still got the playtest doc? Share?

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Do Demigryph exist in Pathfinder?

Rajah. Playtest.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?528186-Dreamscarred-Press-New-playtest-the-Rajah-an-akashic-initiator!

>>54437884
>>54437949
Seconding Fighter. Cavalier is a solid second-best, though.

>>54438342
Alce Griffons are wingless Griffons. Less land speed than a horse though.

There isn't a feat that lets me swap out PoW disciplines is there? Other than Additional Traits into Unorthodox Method.

Can the Two-Handed Fighter take advanced weapon training?
The archetype says that you keep weapon training, but you only get the bonus for two handed melee weapons.
It goes on to say that this replaces weapon training, so I'm really not sure what to think about it

>>54438380
I was in two Rajah/Radiant Dawn playtest oneshots that were run.

Highlights:
>Healing everywhere for days from Radiant Dawn
>Unseen servants have combat use! They can open doors. This is huge because of the default PF rule that opening a door is an entire move action.
>Sunstroke is the silliest 4th level boost with 2 essence invested, we were turning Argent King’s Scepter strike into a 10ft radius of 12d6+weapon damage from across entire rooms. At level 11 that's not too crazy but it's still the difference between hitting one person with a single target +12d6 strike and hitting three or four.
>QANON enjoyed the Specialist veil a lot and how she could finally be an Arcane Archer that worked how she liked
>Fool's Errand counter The Best Weapon Is Theirs used through vassalage meant you could knock away the weapon of an enemy attacking your ally, and suddenly yank it into your hand from 30ft away. Wist used this with Crown of the Moon Queen and stole enemy weapons every round.

I think everyone involved had fun!

>>54438693
I had fun with The Great Mujadeen and the edgelord that's for sure.

>>54435022
My character bathes twice daily by rubbing blessed salt and ash on his body.

>>54438681
You don't get the option to swap stuff out, but you can still take the feat, yeah.

It's a little bit shitty, some archetypes work technically, some don't, due to an arbitrary difference in wording.Twohand Fighter is gucci with it. though

There's a ranger combat style that gives whirlwind attack at six and spring attack at ten, what's up with that?

Why are guns so expensive? Also, should a pistol be more expensive than a two-handed equivalent?

>>54438776
That does seem a bit backward doesn't it? Whirlwind seems like it would be more difficult than Spring Attack, and even has fewer prereqs.

>>54438820
Because Middle Ages equivalent memes and also because they hit at Touch which in 90% of the encounters you run into is massive.

>>54438820

Pistols should be more expensive because of the wheelock mechanism. A matchlock pistol is not practical.

>>54438852
I mean I'm not complaining. Whirlwind attack is fuckin badass

I could use some help.

I want to try out Ungermaw as a class, but i have no clue how to make a character around that class.

Any backstory ideas you guys can think of?

>>54438852
>>54438776
>>54438899
What would you build with it? Just Falchion Power Attack a bunch of dudes, I guess?
Oh! Bardiche a bunch of dudes!

>>54438930
Yeah bardich for the reach power attack them suckers and dreadful Carnage to shake everyone around you

I have to ask, is there a reason why you need at least a +1 on a weapon before you can add a weapon enhancement to it? Would it really be that broken? The fastest you can get a weapon enhancement is 8k(+1 and enhancement). But if you allowed it straight away you can get an enhancement at 2k. Besides the +1 costing enchantments that rely on +x enchantments to determine their ability, this should be fine right?

How's Radiant Dawn if you don't have Essence?

>>54438971
No Billy, you can't make your 18-20 weapon Keen by level 3 or 4, just wait your turn like everyone else.

>>54439001
Fuck yes you can, play a Weapon Master (Falchion or Scimitar) and take Advanced Weapon Training: Spirit Guide.

>>54438927

Wizard experiment trying to solve world hunger. Blows up in your face. Now you can eat everything. but now you're always hungry.

You have daemon ancestry. you can never truly be sated.

You're part of a special class of state sponsored warriors who take on demonic parisite implants in order to gain the ability to eat spells. You adventuring career is really just your training program for your real job.

You really really really like food.

>>54439000
I think it gives you essence?

>>54439030
>Wizard experiment trying to solve world hunger
Why do Wizards always tackle the big problems?

>>54439066

>This is gonna be the one to put me in the papers!

>"Sir this is far beyond your mea-"

>"THE PAPERS!!"

>>54439077
>paper
More like the Magical Journal
>Journal of Arcane Theses
>"Your paper has been rejected as inconclusive and lacking in evidence."
>"REEEE I'LL SHOW THEM ALL"

>>54439065
It does, one per maneuver known to a max of the highest level maneuver you currently know (thus up to 9 max essence).

>>54439093

At level 20 all wizards get Tenure.

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Does it make sense to have Swivel Cannons on land?

>>54439111
Campaign to get hired by the University of Boccob when?

>>54439121
As shore defense guns, they'd be significantly bigger though.

>>54439093
>Your paper has been rejected due to a lack of real world (Material Plane) application. Demonstrating proof of your hypotheses exclusively in a demiplane consisting only of a perfect frictionless vacuum disregards too many variables for use in practical experimentation

>>54439133

What about as part of a caravan?

>>54439143
This is going to turn into some fantasy SCP shit.

>>54439152
I think SCP specifically says something to the effect of "programming is basically magic."

>>54439162
Are you thinking of some other SCP?

>>54439152
>SCP 3.5e is to be stored in a featureless permanent demiplane of no more than 60'x60'x60' which has had a Forbiddance spell cast upon it to prevent planar travel. The plane is to have no physical entrances or exits, rendering the holding cell impossible to enter or exit.

>>54439030

Food critic eats "Life changing food". its a piece of grilled mimic. changes body physiology. Rates food 6/10, "too much sause"

>>54439077
No joke I once played a Magus that basically did this in the post-credits scene of the campaign, his paper was about the nature of multi-dimensional space and the ramifications of "popping the bubble", so to speak.

>>54439001
>>54439028
A magus can get keen at lvl 5
A Weapon Master at lvl 4
A paladin at lvl 5
Based on character wealth by lvl with 10.5k at lvl 5
Am I missing anything?

>>54439093
>when your paper gets returned unreviewed

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>>54439225
actually triggered

>>54439162
I forget the source. I think it was a tweet or something.

But I recall someone saying that...

'electronics is us having tricked a rock into thinking.'

'To be fair though it's not that simple, first we have to flatten it and put lightning inside it'

I have a violence boner for killing dinos with my ranger

So does any of you chucklefucks know a good place to drop a playtest doc in a slightly more anonymous manner than gdocs?

>>54439369

drop box?

>>54439369
pastebin?

>>54439369
Google docs with a dummy account.

>>54439443
I've been using Pastebin for it all this time, but I figured I should try to make it somewhat pretty for the final release. Sadly, Gdocs doesn't want to cooperate with me on the whole "don't reveal my personal information to everyone" part.
>>54439450
I know, but I'd really rather not.

>>54439206
"The fucking Mimic is FUCKING RAW"

>>54439459
Pump it into Homebrewery and PDF-ize it?

>>54439199

Our new currently unlabeled SCP, Resembles a small wooden chest adorned with a gold trim. It is to remain unopened unless permission is granted by the council.

However upon opening, The interior resembles a large maw, containing long rows of sharp teeth. Comparable to human cuspids. It also has a large tongue with which it can use to drag itself along the floor to "prey". It also uses it to feel around like an antennae.

It produces a sticky ichor that functions as a digestive acid. It's clear in color, but testing with gathered samples of the Ichor, has resulted in the decomposition of 1 steel gauntlet in 6 hours. The result from the test left a small silver coin in it's place. When the coin sat outside of the SCP, or the sample acid for an additional 6 hours. The coin returned to it's original form as a steel gauntlet.

These creatures are known to be created by the Sorcerer/Trickster known as [REDACTED]. As a side note, Mr. [REDACTED] is still missing as of today.

Prey consists of gold/jewelry/etc. However after extended testing. It will consume whatever is in front of it, after being exposed to lack of "nutrition" for over 48 hours.

So far it has consumed, 1 large rabbit, a glass mug, a bucket full of sand, and 1 [REDACTED].

The items it consumed can be removed carefully when the creature is "asleep", or from reports from trusted outside sources. When the creature is killed. If the item has had time to digest, the coins are the output. (Even if coins were the input, the coins will have pictures of coins on them. Turning into the original coin after de-exposure.) Though if it has only been a short time after retrieval, the item can return mostly unscathed.

More accounts of this SCP have been reported. Coming in many different shapes, and sizes. They have resembled Crates, Pots, and in one report, a coffin.

>>54437717
I love people like you. you always cry when you meed a demon, devil, daemon, dragon, aberration, or other intelligent spellcasting creature that also happens to be able to beat the crap out of a martial, since it no only counters magic, but eats magic users since they're tasty treats.

>>54439030

We need to PUSH ungermaws for summer slam.

>>54439548
INB4 "but if I cast X, Y, and Z spell while having 5 scrolls of spells I can't normally cast on my person I could easily beat all of those because wizard" memes.

Did protagonist say anything about using Jericho as a NPC?

>>54436650
Speak for yourself, running that right now.
Shits cash.

So here is something that is common in my setting and how my players reacted:
>adepts, being an NPC class, are relatively common (make up 5% of the population)
>adepts have a more diverse spell list, but that's not important to this post
>familiars are an adept class feature
>familiars are therefore pretty common
>because familiars are intelligent and can transfer information to their users they make very good eavesdroppers
>thieves, mercenaries, soldiers, and other professions who work in less scrupulous circles often develop the habit of killing small animals
>you have no way of knowing if that pigeon is a familiar, so you grab and snap its neck just in case (most familiars need to get back to their owner to pass off the info)
>if you find dead small animals you know secret meets took place
>dead small animals will littler military camps (ones that aren't eaten)
>players know this indirectly through a companion of theirs with the habit (it was explained in character)
>one of the PCs uses his familiar (a raven) to try and eavesdrop
>the second the gangsters see a raven one of them throws a stone at it (has throw anything and deadly aim, ends up putting the raven unconscious)
>they kill the raven just in case
>player is extremely angry and blames the setting for being unrealistic

>>54439597
So this information of the area and culture was given ahead of time. The player then decided to push his luck and do the thing that npcs actively look out for.

Well that is the players fault. At least he can still replace the familiar at a cost.

>>54439597
Well, ensuring that familiars are killed on sight might be realistic, but it's a dick move unless you told your player's so. If you told your player's so, then they're idiots for taking a class with a familiar in your game.

That's pretty much on par with "you start off with nothing, but why are there so many druids, monks, and sorcerers in my game?"

I don't understand Piercing Thunder at all.

>>54439647
Well from what I read of the post, they do not actively go after all familiars. It is just that because there in the presence of familiars all the time, they are paranoid of all small creatures. Better safe than sorry.

Is rovagug the best god?

>>54439597
I think I remember this exact same story from like a year ago.

Alright, looks like the Soulforger will have its official release...tomorrow. I'm going to do all the final prettying up on wordings for Smith and Truth aspect before leaving it today, so I can dedicate tomorrow to pure formatting and finding some place to upload it.

It's probably not gonna look very good, because at this point I just want to get it done. I apologize beforehand in case any of you get eye cancer.

>>54439689
It doesn't matter if it's "actively going after familiars at all times". it's declaring open season on familiars and effectively the same thing. You can't not expect a familiar to die in that scenario.

>>54439829
You can expect people to try and kill your familiar if you just let it go and send it to do things. If you know people kill small animals for fear of eavesdroppers don't use your small animal as an eavesdropper.

I mean it's literally being told it'll happen then getting angry when it does.

>tfw no new Iron Gods reviews tonight

>country players are in have high level people as part of law enforcement
>players get angry when special investigators and task forces are as good or better fighters than they are
It's funny, especially when a wizard learns that he's up against a counter spelling specialist and he gets to be a fancy commoner the rest of the encounter.

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>>54435805
Hellknights work. Harbingers can be okay too.

Sometimes harbingers end up like this though

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>>54439654
It's used for squads of NPCs so that Phalanx formations are useful.

>>54438342
Just ride around on a celestial hydra. It only moves like 20ft per round, but it has its own smite-y goodness.

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>>54439937
probably got scared away by broodie's sperging

>>54440229
What sperging? Who is this broodie that people keep mentioning anyway?

>>54440144
FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN THOU-BLUGH

>Captcha: Exit Nova

next bread

>>54440247
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New thread

>>54440252
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>>54440257

i like the dragon, but rules are rules; >>54440254
wins

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>>54439654
Piercing thunder is neat. You can lower armor penalties so you can do stuff faster/better (like jumping). As long as you're in a piercing thunder stance you can retrieve unattended weapons that you come nearby in your turn as a free action (as long as they're within your reach at some point in time). You can do neat charging attacks, you can do neat throwing attacks, you can dual wield spears (that's always fun if you want to be RANSA from fate/zero). It's sort of somewhere between traditional military spearman, a final fantasy dragoon, a javelin thrower and a heroic spear user from nasuverse.

In particular the school works quite nicely with zweihander sentinel archetype warders.

>>54440272
>rules are rules
Which we conveniently ignore whenever there's an OP some of us dislike.