/btg/ BattleTech General

haha butte hold

>>54410906
So, /btg/, admit your BattleTech related sins!

I actually unironically like the Goons, mostly because of their mech selection, which is sweet.

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What are they listening to /btg/?

>>54411408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoZ8l40RpeE

So wait. What new that thing is HG doing to CGL now? Recolor anon was talking about some new HG shit in the last thread, and I'm not up to date on what CGL has stolen recently.

>>54411408
>Best border shit going down in the background
>Comstar party in the foreground

It's like this was made for me.

>>54411444
Checked as hell. Anyway, judging by the fact that the Unseen that aren't from Dougram have dis-a-fucking-peared from the schedule going forward, HG looks to have gotten froggy again and tried to fuck with the franchise. According to the Robotech Tactics (kill me) email this week, HG seems to be going forward with Sony on a movie, so they probably think they've got a big dick again. Then again, the first cover art for the BMM was swapped out for the Clan box art, so it happened earlier.

>>54411392
I like all the factions but barely know shit about the regional variance in the Steiners or the Caps compared to the Stoners, Fedrats, Snakes and Pidgeons where I know all their regional powers and major boys and flavors. But then how many people actually know anything special about any of the Capellan Commonalities outside St. Ives? Like I couldn't tell you any special shit about Victoria the way I could about the Azami or the Regulans.

I also think the Star League is the most boring weakest era and worked best as a vague magical golden age that was romanticized versus all the excruciating detail piled on it now.

And I rather like the Late Dark Age despite the giant trainwreck that is the Early Dark Age.

>>54411617
>Robotech Tactics (kill me)
I still get those too. I don't even know what I'm waiting on. I think there's a Monster in Wave 2 I got one or two of. I got the rest of my stuff forever ago and it was all the major stuff I wanted in terms of destroids for unseen and whatnot.

>>54411392
When it comes to factions, I am grong af. I don't like any of the shit like TDF, Marians etc. Give me my 5 houses and 4 major clans.

>>54411392
I really like WarShips and LAMs for fluff reasons but have never actually used either on the table

>>54411392
3rd and 4th Succession Wars are the most retarded eras and every stupid aspect of the game is a result of writers having to comply with the original stupid decisions

>>54411392


I like the post-Jihad Taurian Concordat mech selection. They might not make many unique chassis (just the Brahma and the ancient Toro) but they do built variants of old classics. Many of those manage to be weird and/or interesting without completely breaking the original 'theme' of the mech. Thunderbolt 9T, Warhammer 10T and 11T, Ostroc 5C, Griffin 4N, Rifleman 9T etc.

I quite like Light Gauss, and wish their were more mechs that paired LGauss with regular PPCs. I also like Light PPCs and I compare them to ERLLs rather than ERMLs.

I unironically disbelieve the 'Capellan fiat' memes, and think that until 3145 the Capellans actually look pretty pitiful as they slowly claw back what they lost to Hanse. The influx of technology that came post-Invasion was much smaller than many anons seem to think (check out FM: Updates for proof) and was largely due to their contact with WoB.

I think that calling the Lyrans 'Space Germany', the Capellans 'Space China' and the FedSuns 'Space Britain' is far more misleading than it is useful. And stop using fucking Charl for the FWL.

I think the Ice Hellions got what they deserved and it was entirely in keeping with their boneheaded mindset. All this 'muh genius Raina Montose wuz retconned' is simply not backed up by the books, all I can see is that she wasn't completely outright insane like Asa Taney.

>>54411617
>HG looks to have gotten froggy again and tried to fuck with the franchise.

What's actually going on, though? Is there a link or a press release? I was looking on the OF and I didn't see anything (not like the mods would let a thread about that stay up, though). Where can I read more details on this?

>>54413710
>Where can I read more details on this?
Nowhere. There is no press release. Not a peep.

>>54413710

There's nothing but rumors, some of which seem to have spawned from these anonymous threads.

>>54413612
>and think that until 3145 the Capellans actually look pretty pitiful

>Forces in 3132
>RotS:10 regiments total, about 3 worth of mechs
>Davions:25 regiments of mechs
>Kurita: 31 regiments of mechs
>FWL states: less than 5 regiments of mechs apiece

>Capellans:44 regiments of mechs

When you got more military than every other state in the Sphere as a rump state then you got serious authorial wanktitude going on. It's not a meme.

>>54413710
Like the thread said, it's all rumors and inferring. CGL was releasing teasers and hints for the Unseen left and right last year, but so far we've gone (until 2SW came out) with nothing for 7 months Unseen wise, while the BMM initially had a Rifleman cover, but now has a Mad Cat.

>>54413612
>I like the post-Jihad Taurian Concordat mech selection. They might not make many unique chassis (just the Brahma and the ancient Toro) but they do built variants of old classics. Many of those manage to be weird and/or interesting without completely breaking the original 'theme' of the mech. Thunderbolt 9T, Warhammer 10T and 11T, Ostroc 5C, Griffin 4N, Rifleman 9T etc.
Absolutely same here
I really wish that the TC got (even retconned) SW/50s era mechs that lead into the weird-but-fun theme they developed in 3085

>>54413926
Not to mention the canopian commonality has like another 30 fucking regiments (which is more than every other periphery state put together, for that matter)

>>54413612
>I unironically disbelieve the 'Capellan fiat' memes, and think that until 3145 the Capellans actually look pretty pitiful
That's the point. They were the also ran of the Inner Sphere. Not big enough to win, but too big to swallow. Would you consider North Korea invading the US and taking large swathes of territory to be a believable prospect, or a bullshit one? Because that's the closest real world comparison we have.

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Color test for a homebrew FedSun/FedCom division. Trying to evoke a sort of "Colonial French" feel.
I think I'm leaning towards the middle one.

Am I blind, or does the latest MekHQ zip from github not actually have...MekHQ in it?

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>>54414570
I'd go with something along the lines of the old Crusher Joe scheme since Crushers are Davions anyhow but Joe's color scheme has never been used.

>>54414182

>canopians have a larger force than the Suns and are almost as large as the Dracs
>after the Drac invasion they will be larger than both

What the literal fuck?

>>54414182
>canopians being beefed up again irrationally

Is anyone surprised? This shit was going on in FM:P years ago. They magicked in half a dozen regiments even though Canopian industry couldn't do it and no one was selling to them enough for that.

>>54414182
>>54414916
they've actually got like 20-ish, but those regiments also have magic experience levels and all that good shit

as for why, the eternal kit strikes again

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>>54414182
>>54414916
>>54414959
>>54415019
Leave the Magistracy alone.

>>54415019

Slightly more reasonable but that'll still be more than the Suns post-Palmyra and the Dracs have probably ground themselves down to about that level by now too.

>>54413926
>got serious authorial wanktitude going on

That's just the Capellan just desserts by virtue of having been unfairly held back for so long by racist FASA authors. They deserve to be on the oppressing end of the oppressed-oppression spectrum finally. Maybe we can talk again in 20 years after they've had a fair go.

>>54415133

Or we could talk about it now. Literally 17 years after Xin Sheng material started and the Cappies became a powerhouse.

>>54415042

0/10 try being somebody who actually argued that the magistracy wasn't powerful enough instead of a person who kept arguing with tptb that the MOC was being unfairly inflated.

kit has an avatar; try that one.

>>54415187
hey DW

>>54415183

They whole time that cgl was wanking over the wob doesn't count. That's wasted page time that could have been spent on the Capellans regaining ancestral worlds.

>>54415133
While I chuckled, it's sad that there are some actual faggots that think like this. Not just about Caps but other stuff in real life.

>>54415183
17 years after their crazy DA power boost. Xin Sheng started with Double Blind back in '95 or '96.

>>54415205

DW types like an old person, not somebody texting. He doesn't even have a mobile phone.

>>54415227

Well, I mainly went with 2000 since that's when FM: CC came out and things kicked into Xin Sheng overdrive, but yeah, you could definitely argue for earlier.

Either way the Cappies have been top-tier for longer than they sucked now so seeing people seriously argue otherwise is a bit o_O for me. If they were arguing the Dracs and FWL got shat on or ignored, sure though.

>>54415213

I don't agree that the Cappies deserve a damn thing just because they were the designated bitches of the setting, but this is also a good point. It's no fun at all for a faction to finally get some level of fun and interesting designs and characters, only to get BTFOd by another faction that gets an even bigger author fit stick. The time that the Jihad was going definitely shouldn't count towards the Cappies "not shit" time.

>>54415227
You know, the terrible thing is that the XINSHENG MAGIC FAST RAP DOMINANCE has been the dominant thing for longer than the FedCom was actually the big bosses of the setting

>>54415343
>The time that the Jihad was going definitely shouldn't count towards the Cappies "not shit" time.

It sure should because they were raping their way across the Dark Age concurrently. By Temptations and By War came out in like 2003.

>>54415442

I think everyone is talking about the Capellans being good in real Battletech though. Not Dark Age.

>>54415460
The novels are all real battletech.

>>54411392
I'm a Clan Wolf-in-Exile fan.

I would really like to intern or volunteer for Catalyst Game Labs. I'd really like to be a part of the gaming community.

From what I've heard Catalyst got a cease and desist from SOMEBODY. And poof mechs disappeared. Seems pretty obvious what happened.

It seems really weird to me that Macross and Battletech are competing for headspace/ namespace. They don't seem like the same market.

Is battletech big in Japan or something?

>>54415494
>>54415460
lol, there is no such thing as "real" battletech.

At least.. not yet...

>>54415979
You're trolling, right?

>>54416009
Someday I have no doubt that giant robots will clobber themselves for our amusement, that much is assured.

As to whether they will be to battlemechs scale, that I'm not so sure..

>>54411392

>I'll never have to answer for this, so why not?

I'm an actual, honest to God transsexual, and I play that Steiners and Magistracy solely because they're run almost exclusively by women. I hate Dracs and their fans because their faction is sexist.

I think Fanpro and CGL have been the best things to happen to the franchise, because for all that they've gone bad over the last year, they're still better than FASA.

I think the wob and their incessant warcrimes we're the worst thing to happen to the game, because of all the realism autists who use that as ammo for their argument that everything in the Battletech universe should be solved with warcrimes.

I think the mods and admins on the of are well intentioned and are genuinely trying their best to grow the game and community, and we should be a lot more supportive of them.

>>54416021
Never seen a game of battletech in japan.

>>54416061
you know, when I hear stuff like that, i just kind hear "pony-pony-pony-pony." Its like, I'm not your dada sweetheart.

>>54416061
i remember when b8 was good

>>54414015
Apparently they got the Shadow Hawk 7M just before the Jihad, and with the New Dallas core they began building the royal Marauder, Warhammer and Thud.

>>54416120

B8 has never been good.

>>54416120
>>54416143

Neither was Battletech.

Well Mecha is like, 'silly' i guess. Battletech is more for young adults. I think what people in Japan get upset about is that Battletech doesn't have an anti-war message.

Japan had, and I think, still has, a very strong pacifist movement. They do not want to revisit the horrors of war and always want to keep clear in their memory that war is tragic, though sometimes necessary.

I think they know more than anybody that war has fundamentally changed, it would be hard convincing them to fight for their independence from foreign sovereignty when they know first hand that war is no longer as simple as killing the enemy soldiers, civilians become inextricably involved in the macabre mathmatics of war.

You could say killing so many civilians with the atomic bomb was an act of terrorism, it dealt a blow to the peoples morale, it created a scar, a wound, that has never been healed.

>>54416061
>I think the wob and their incessant warcrimes we're the worst thing to happen to the game, because of all the realism autists who use that as ammo for their argument that everything in the Battletech universe should be solved with warcrimes
I know you're a shitposter, but I unironically agree with most of this point

>>54416245
It may have saved lives, but it destroyed part of their spirit. It pacified them in a way that we have a hard time understanding.

Now that the world is tame and there are no more dragons to fight or windmills to chase, America is left to suffer the consequences for the havoc it has wrecked.

>>54416245
>You could say killing so many civilians with the atomic bomb was an act of terrorism,
No it wasn't, the nips deserved it.
>t. burgerchink

>>54416348
its like flipping a safety.
when in rome, do as the romans do.

>>54416061
>I think the mods and admins on the of are well intentioned and are genuinely trying their best to grow the game and community, and we should be a lot more supportive of them.

This is a true point.

Also, I actually believe the tranny claim. I know two MtFs who play BT personally, and I've seen at least one other playing at original, so they're definitely out there. Of course, they're all 50-year old tranny's who transitioned too late to be anything but a horror show, like the military history Jew from the History Channel who got surgery last year.

>>54416321
You might say the Japanese spirit, like the British spirit, has been tamed. Now America has spread across her shores it is our turn to be tamed.

It will not be an easy process. America is used to being the hero in its own saga.

>>54416418
>I've seen at least one other playing at original,

At Origins.

Fuck autocorrect.

>>54416424
>Now America has spread across her shores it is our turn to be tamed.

No. We'll kill ourselves first, or kill ourselves and everyone else if it's an outside force who tries to tame the US.

>>54416424
>He believes he is being respectful, but is actually being a shithead.
>And how would he know if you didn't tell him? >He is trying to honor and respect your traditions.
>Yeah, but hes such a butthole!

>>54416469
that is the dream, yes.

Most empires settle in a far more graceful form of decline, one which does not so much resemble a viking funeral.

>>54416490
How fucking obnoxious would it be to cast a redneck imbecile as a kung-fu master who takes a world weary troubled asian youth under his wing?

No, I don't mean Grand Tourino, shutup

>>54416517

One would think it would be in everyone else's best interest to keep the US from collapsing, if for no other reason than the "everyone else" clause in "kill ourselves and/or everyone else".

Instead, people are rooting for it while hoping they get lucky and the burgers only kill themselves.

>>54416559
>redneck imbecile as a kung-fu master

That's cultural appropriation anon.

>>54416584
yes, but cast it in the opposite direction its a frat flick. Maybe the redneck has achieved inner peace? Maybe the redneck has no great shakes as a kung fu master, but his philosophy on life is different and hopeful?

Your traditions are going to be appropriated eventually due to cultural drift, accelerated by mass media, isn't it better to keep it true to its roots? who cares who the players are, is the philosophy tied to one place, one ethnicity?

If you want a deep character drama, you can have an easterner whose adopted and accepted his new western roots. You need some Chinese guy to say, "I'm from the Bronx. Thats where I've lived my whole life. I don't beleive in kung-fu, magic faries or any of that shit. Where I'm from, its a struggle just to stay alive." Maybe for him, western values work.

>>54415914
Do it with a better company. I say this as a fan of the game. Love the game, but lament what lap it's in right now. CGL apologists, fire away. No amount of REEEE can dispel the truth that the IP is being grossly mishandled, and the fans are suffering for it.

And yes, /btg/ could do better. This group of literal dysfunctional autists could do better than CGL handling the IP.

Of course, thats basically just saying you gotta play ball, and you've been hearing that shit forever. You want to get an americans attention you gotta lean on their toes a little bit. Respect their short attention spans. No lesson is too small or too simple.

>>54413926
The only reason the Capellans have that many regiments in 3132 is because they weren't playing nice with the RoTS, while the other states mostly were. It's not that the Capellans were given magic things out of nowhere, it's that they wanted and expected war while the other states were much more aquiescent. There's nothing wankitude about it. You may dearly like to frame it that way, but any objective and unbiased look at it says otherwise.

Funnily enough, at that point in time they were still not much bigger than they were post-4SSW either. It's not until they butt up against Prefecture X and have taken New Syrtis that they start to look good... and they're still not doing quite as well as Hanse did, though it's close.

But cheer up, anon. Hints in XTRO: Republic III and TRO:3150 suggest reversals for the Capellans on both their Republic and FedSuns fronts. Read em closely.

>>54414359
That's an unrealistic comparison. The US doesn't share a direct border with North Korea, the US has a massive military and technological advantage over North Korea, and the US hasn't recently suffered a devastating military defeat that wiped out multiple major combat units along with their head of state.

There is no workable real world comparison, and trying to force one doesn't do us any favours. A shaky analogy is basically no better than a straw man.


>>54414015
They have some Royal variants like the Royal T-Bolt and Marauder, which are nice slow-and-steady back up to those mobile homegrown variants. I'm actually a little surprised they didn't go for some crazy Marauder build, they had two factories for them IIRC, but I guess they reasoned they needed a slugger in their Heavy ranks.

>>54416690
Well, that's like, your opinion man.

>>54415284
>Either way the Cappies have been top-tier for longer than they sucked

Nope.

Go read FM:Updates. Look at their upgraded tech ratios compared to the FedSuns.

Then go read FM: 3085. Look at how pummelled they were by the RoTS.

Then look at the maps, starting with the 4th SW. Look how long it takes them to claw back anything. Look how much they backslide when the RoTS kicks their asses.

None of your memes can be backed by facts.

>b-b-b-b-b-but they beat tiny St Ives! And some independent Chaos March nations! With the help of two Periphery states!

Yeah. So badass.

>>54416418

>This is a true point.

Not really. I can recall a laundry list of public fuckups they've spearheaded. I'm sure they *believe* this themselves but the truth is that the mods are the reason the BT forum is so hostile to outsiders and that it's got such a tiny pool of regular posters.

>>54416559

Gran Torino is hilarious. My father rented a copy because he thought it was going to be Clint Eastwood BTFOing the "slants" and by the end of it he was like "... oh."

>>54416671
>Maybe for him, western values work.

then too, many values are universal, or at least shared. We consider many of the same things taboo, we consider many of the same things to be virtues.

>>54416707
Best attitude to have, I salute you.

>>54416706

>There's nothing wankitude about it.

A lot of things like this have less to do with individual situations and more to do with being part of a pattern. We were coming off over half a decade of JUST AS PRANNED from the Cappies when it turned out they were the only ones smart enough to go "lolnope" when asked to downsize, and even the much more militaristic states were going along with it.

>>54416750

Then go look at who ended the FCCW and Jihad in the best state and who is top dog in the DA.

I'd say Capellans are about due. Their forces are positioned well at the start of the era, they are probably doing what I used to do when I ran our online campaign and trying to lose old units through attrition so they can get them replaced with new ones.

>>54416706
Knigga, the Caps had over 12 regiments hidden away. That's almost a +50% force boost. And they should have been grinding down their spare forces in the continuous wars they were in since the end of the Jihad such as the Capellan Crusades and the Victoria war. And then AFTER all that, they pulled an additional 7 mech regiments out of their ass while at full scale war with both the Republic and the Fedsuns.

Compare that to Anson Marik being super proud he managed to scrape a battalion together unnoticed.

The author fiat was not grinding them down during the wars and also having a military industrial complex capable of pre-Jihad manufacturing numbers when everyone else was getting their factories wiped and half busted.

>while the other states mostly were.
Mariks weren't and they got jack shit. Kurita played nice diplomatically but totally ignored the MRP. Only the Suns really went all in.

>>54416862
I think maybe they lost the culture war during the Jihad. Nobody wanted to trade RotS for Cappie rule because back then they represented Camelot.

Now with the wall coming down some people are thinking they would be safer with the Cappies.

Casis Belli is a big part of integration during and after the war efforts. If you've got more reason to feel hostile towards your host country than you do with the invaders you might indeed welcome them with open arms.

>>54416816
>and even the much more militaristic states were going along with it.
Honestly the lyrans just throwing their army in the trash when they had three giant gangs of mongoloid retard murderers who conspicuously didn't disarm AND were attacking them literally all the time on their borders is really one of the biggest bits of DA high impact idiocy

Honestly the best thing that could happen to Battletech right now would be if CGL lost the license. It's painful to watch them let the franchise rot.

>>54416914
>Now with the wall coming down some people are thinking they would be safer with the Cappies.

That's Prefecture X only. All the other nine prefectures got all eaten up. The Capellans were all out of old Capellan worlds minus Caleb's Davion Protectorate in Prefecture IV by late 3135. Then they took that in 3145. Wall doesn't come down until 3150.

And quite frankly everyone jumped ship to stronger parties as soon as Levin put up the wall in the first place. If you read Fortess Republic, you see all the people on half a dozen major worlds freak out as the Republic garrisons just pull up stakes and leave while Levin announces that everyone outside the core are acceptable losses.

The Davions took the Swordsworn Territory. The Senator Alliance latched onto Marik. The worlds of Prefecture III went Kurita or Ghost Bear. So on and so forth.

>>54416976
And just who do you think would take it? Paizo? Wizards of the Coast? PALLADIUM? No one exists who can do it justice and cares, even a little, except CGL. At least I genuinely believe they want the game to be good, even if they're incompetent fucks who can't run a company to save their lives.

>>54416976
Fuck you. Second Succession War was back to form to me. Get them rolling on ilClan and a new box and we're back in business.

wait, so is that what the little letters mean?
D for davion, K for Kurita ect?

I don't know where to buy hardcopy TRO's. If I knew some place other than Amazon I would buy them right now.

>>54417239
Well, technically, CGL's store sells them, but realistically they take your money then laugh at you and never ship anything, so I'd advise against that.

>>54417181
Generally

R (Regular/Star League Regular Army)
N (Normal/Standard)
G (General)
B (Base model)
b (Royal Star League)
C(Capellan, Command or clan gear refit)
*C(C3 refit)
T (Taurian)
M (Marik)
D (Davion)
K (Kurita)
S (Steiner)
W (Word of Blake)

But there are a lot of exceptions, ho boy are there exceptions.

>>54417300
You also forgot one common one:
X (experimental)

>>54417239
Best bang for your buck is to grab old lots of them at auction as they pop up on ebay. Amazon/ebay new should be saved for the newest stuff like TRO 3075+.

Also, avoid the garbage that is TRO 3039 or TRO 3025 Revised (Original 3025 is fine)

>>54413994
Too bad the CGl doesn't have the money to really put a fight vs HG, because this time the damn designs are new ones and yet Battletech is getting dicked by HG AGAIN.

>>54417326
Nice catch. Also might as well do some of the omnis.

Z (Society)
H (Heavy Lasers)
U (Underwater/extreme environment)
R (IS omni clantech refits)

>>54417372
Last time this came up in the great 25 Years of Art and Fiction debacle of 2008, it was said if it gets to be a legal fight, it's the Topps lawyers that take the ball.

So might just be that CGL is buying a little time while the boys upstairs are weighing their options and HG might get wrecked like Hasbro wrecked them a few years back.

>>54414608
I know the one you get from their homepage has MekHQ in it as I just played a game with it yesterday.

You know, it really hurt to never have won a damn game. thats not how you build a general. You'll end up with someone who is good as an underdog but poor in a fight.

>>54417409
Holy Crap! You sound like somebody who knows what they are doing!

(Even if you don't necessarily)

pick out a brigade of mechs.
an entire fucking brigade.
Do it!

>>54417463
I remember it so well because it was the year we found out about the sealed case from '95 with HG and we wouldn't even have to alter the unseen at all legally if it wasn't for that. CGL back then had everything cleared with the Japanese from every franchise.

I think we even still have the original unaltered PDF of that book with the Warhammer cover and full of Marauders and stuff in the OP. It was only up like a week before they pulled it down. Thankfully the print version still had the Dougram and Crusher Joe stuff at least.

>>54416245
You know, if you make a good war related thing being a game, movie or a book you don't really need have a preachy anti-war message and why is that? Well if it's well made you would get that war is horrible, think Saving Private Ryan, didn't really have preachy "War is bad m'okay"-speech, just details in the film like the scene where they going through the name tags of all the dead soldiers and some of them start goofing off. their medic just says them that they are counting dead people infront of their friends.

Which Battletech character got the best death?

>>54417983
Probably Wayne Waco. You never see the fight itself, just the description of both dead machines still standing in the burning ruins of Harlech.

No dumb strokes, heart attacks, rare diseases, assassinations or jump jets. Just a straight up knock down drag out mech fight in to a draw in machines that walked when the Star League was still around, torn apart and upgraded more times than god could count.

Just the image of it, glorious. He got his revenge at the last.

>>54418137
Agreed, also Wayne was cool as hell. But you knew/hoped he was gonna die guns blazing and he did.

>>54417983
It's got to be Wayne Waco.

>>54418201
I gotta give the runner up to Thomas Marik. Just look at that smiling motherfucker on the cover of Final Reckoning while the Delos rains death down on Circinus.

Now that I think about it, because of the political bend to most of the high profile deaths, they either go out to standard stuff or flukes. It's super rare that you get a real glorious death.

All I can really think is like Ian Davion and Aiden Pryde off the top of my head. All the Camerons bumrushing Amaris on the throne after the coupe when he was executing them piecemeal was pretty great too. They almost overwhelmed the guards.

>>54417983
Wayne Waco, of course.
He got his Ahab moment, only he actually managed to take Wolf with him
He got his last big ride with the devil, fought to the very last and died with the enemy's heart in his hand
And to top it all off he did it at NINETY FUCKING NINE. He was on his way out, but wasn't ready to go alone, and he set the world on fire on his way out
Who else got an exit like that?

>>54417300
You left out L for Liao, the more typical designation for a Capellan refit.

>>54418405
Yep. I also left out V, but I forget what V stands for.

>>54418280
Aiden Prydes death shows also that as much Clanner scociety tries to fuck with the family connections, he still developed feelings for his daughter to do the last stand to save her.

At the same time I think all the Prydes done in that time period are really well made characters that actually have nuances other than "hahaa I am an evil Cockfalcon.You dare to refuse my Batchall"

>>54418429
Also add to that in some cases if there is A follwing the letter like Panther-10KA that means it's modfied version of an another variant

>>54419223

When the As were introduced for most things they were presented as a FedCom refit of the design, like the Panther-12A or the TC Guillotine. I assumed A for Avalon or some shit back then but since those have been retconned to other factions since IDK.

>>54419223
there's also a couple of -W mechs originating with the Dragoons (like WSP-1W, ARC-2W)

And wasn't -P for project phoenix mechs?

>>54419526
>And wasn't -P for project phoenix mechs?

No. Almost all the 60's Phoenix mechs have standard designations. Wasp 3L, Stinger 5R, Rifleman 5D, so on. P is usually some sort of energy weapon refit, or sometimes used for Periphery.

>>54416143
>>54416160
Playing B8letech?

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>>54416245
Come on, anon.

Japanese 3D simulation wargames (the genre Battletech is a part of) that were long out of fashion by the time BT had its Japanese debut.

It also had abysmal support (no miniatures, little to no material, sold almost nowhere) and overall, it was yet another fuck-up by FASA.

There's no magic involved, no alien nature of people across the ocean, no Bandai chemtrails.
It's just a horrible company screwing up and the results are the same as they would be anywhere else in the world.

I really love all this talking-through-the-asshole about pasty-faced nobodies telling how the japanese collective hivemind accurately feels about something they've never heard of. You really are special people.

>>54415042

I remember that comic. Danger Girls, I think? My dad has some of them.

Are the parade colors of the SLDF royal units, the sane as the regular units (od) ?

>>54417520
Where did we ever find out about this? I've seen a reference to this before, but no links.

Well, I sent in a job inquiry to Catalyst. You never know if you don't try, right?

スケールや設定御構い無しだな!

>>54410906
you always think matriarchies are about kinky sex, but they always end up being some Yenta's clucking about like Golda Meir.

>>54422237
All traditional power structures are the same. I think the anarchist have it right, in principle, if nothing else.

Most evil in this world is caused by one man (or woman, as the case may be) imposing their will on another, forcing people to do what they don't want to do.

>>54422252
Of course, people with that mentality, trying to get them to do anything constructive is like herding cats.

You have to learn to how to serve to be a good leader.

>>54422237
I think women have a way of escalating hostilities.

I consider myself a cultural chameleon. If my life depends on fitting in with a group of violent skinheads, thats what I become. If my prosperity hinges on dying my hair pink and promoting a feminist agenda, I'll do that too.

All I really care about are my friends and family, and my own health, happiness and well being. I'm sure there are some cultural and humanistic ties in there somewhere, but ideology has always taken a backseat to pragmatism and survival.

>>54422495
I think I would be happier promoting an agenda I believe in and can relate to, (Peace, Love, Prosperity, all that jazz) but you put anybody between a rock and hard place and they turn mercenary fairly quickly.

So, from what I understand, Davion, being a consitutional monarchy, with (i think?) a parliament, and FWL with its Senate and other trappings of a republic, would be a good fit ideologically.

But I do think fans have a point in that the fiction can seem awfully lopsided in the Davions favor, and there is a definite pro-monarchist flavor to them, which I find distasteful, having been indoctrinated in the benefits of a republic from day one.

Sometimes it is nice to have someone to take responsibility, but more often than not that person is a bit of a nitwit and makes unpopular decisions to boot.

But nobody ever got anything done sitting around debating in committee.

>>54422224
translation: "there goes the neighborhood"

>>54422561
I mean, have the Davions ever once just had a complete fuckwit they could not dislodge, who was just a placeholder on the throne?

Has there ever been an incompetent Davion?

>>54422633
I remember during the clan invasion reading the wolf saga and thinking the prince at that time was likable, kind of a gung ho in the trenches sort of guy.

Has there ever been a unlikable Davion?

>>54422633
>>54422643
I'll tell you whats worse than having somebody who is a competent asshole, someone who is a nice guy who just can't think for shit.

Its basically up to his advisers to set policy and polish his image. The last person you really want in charge is a "nice guy".

that is, assuming you engaged in conflict. otherwise you just want a soft hand to keep things nice and quiet

>>54422633
>>54422643

Caleb was both incompetent and unlikable.

Yvonne I think gets more stick than she deserves because all her hurr durring was in service to the FCCW plotline where she was actually the smartest person on New Avalon, but that turned out not to be saying much.

Honestly, I don't see what drives the inner houses. They all seem a bit power mad. The clanners are certifiable nutcases, but theirs is a madness you can negotiate with. The houses just seem determined to drive towards conquest, peaceful relations with their neighbors do not exist.

I don't see what is so great about your ideology if it is mutually exclusive with 80% of the rest of humanity.

At least the clan's offer makes sense.

>>54422724
>At least the clan's offer makes sense.
And I think, tragically, that's what caused them to fall, is that they weren't able to live up to their promise. They could not protect the people under them.

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>>54422749
The people of the IS want stability, and they are willing to tolerate the clans if thats what they provide for them. But if they waste their efforts on their suicidal quest to conquer the inner sphere, fighting for themselves for possession, they will destroy themselves.

Tell me more about house stiener.

>>54422801
Return of the warden wolves?

See. each faction promises safety only for its core worlds. You live on the border you take your chances.

Camelot basically has done the same thing the rest of the IS had done since the fall of the star league

That why jihad shook everything up, they challenged that notion that the great houses could keep them safe. Now the RotS is doing the exact same thing with the fortress.

>>54422749
Thats what causes all new powers to fall. And ultimately, thats why the great houses are still in charge. They aren't looking out for everybody, only those who support their right to rule.

>>54422883
When you choose a faction, you aren't so much as picking what ideology you favor, but what kind of lifestyle you want to lead. You are acceding to its culture and its norms. You decide who offers you the better chance at prosperity and survival.

People who fight for ideology are really just stirring up the pot. They unnaturally suppress nationalist and ethnic movements from all nations, which stirs resentment and leads to widespread discontentment.

Great powers tend to disseminate their populaces hostilities evenly and thinly, instead of allowing them all to gather in one place. That is what allows them to grow more large.

Whats really interesting about sociology, is that it is when a nation is receding, thats its citizens are most prosperous and wealthy, and it is only after the walls give way that their corruption and inequity is exposed.

>>54422932
How much does the average noble know, fighting on the frontlines, about the state and condition of his people? If he found out that his homeland had been razed by corrupt politicians and paramilitaries, he would be outraged!

>>54422947
Outlaws, bandits, pirates and other potential paramilitaries, when they find something unsettling about the culture they were born in, have difficulty repatriating in their homeland. Their rebellions take place, not so much in armed displays of force, as displays of bravado and dangerous, reckless behavior.

They can't quite bring themselves to wage war against their homeland but they can provoke the government into anger and see how it reacts.

Thats how many of them end up getting drafted, being offered a chance to join the military and do something useful, or being subject to severe censure by their communities.

Its the military's version of "What have you done for us lately?"

>>54422996
If you hand them a slap on the wrist, the problem only escalates. If you come down on them too hard, it causes backlash. You promote them to light duty and give them something to do, everybody wins.

People don't like being drafted to promote domestic interests abroad. Paramilitaries generally don't see the need to fight abroad. I used to be a diehard isolationist, but the truth is your little empire is either growing and expanding, or it is shriveling and dying.

I'm just not sure whether the "golden era" is when a nation is in decline or whether it is in bloom. For civilians, its a completely different experience.

I still consider myself a civilian.

>>54423047
What i mean is, I'd still consider myself a civilian if I were drafted into a paramilitary organization. I'd probably develop a sort of love hate relationship with it, if I made the cut. (Which, you know, I probably wouldn't. I'm soft, pudgy and fat and I like it that way)

Paramilitaries need to develop a way to pacify the enemy. That doesn't often mean killing them. When paramilitaries start killing civilian, you know things have gotten out of hand and you require military intervention.

>>54423047
And whether we like it or not, war has a business interest. There is a need to allocate resources as efficiently as possible, and that means buying lots and lotteries and meeting quota's and building to scale and all that other good stuff you learned in economics.

What if the lack of "new" unseen miniatures isn't an issue with HG, but because they're hording production (or trying to make the boxed set the only place to get them at first) for a new boxed set to coincide with the release of the Battletech Mech Manual?

It seems to me that if it were a HG issue, wouldn't they have issues with the artwork in 2nd Succesion War?

>>54415801
yuck, why?

So how exactly is it that there are no interplanetary smuggling economies? Is that a message we want to leave out for the kiddies? Or should I say, the kiddies parents?

I guess I just sometimes use rpg's as an excuse to talk about politics or war. You have to admit, politics are rather integral to any role playing setting.

If you want anything other than hack and slash, you are going to have to introduce some politics, and kids at that age hate to be patronized.

I remember I wanted to be a pacifist. It made sense at the time. But a lot of "pacifists" I know end up being more violent than police or soldiers.

I mean, if your the one causing trouble, you're not really pacifists, are you? You're terrorists. And I'm not saying terrorists are always wrong, but their methodology is always a matter of conscious.

If the people support them, they will be "guerilla fighters", but if the people think they are bums they will call them "rebels". The government, will, as always, call them "insurgents" or some equally innocuous term, because our media is spineless, and won't recognize the need for some internal order, so you end up getting a mana'ge of teenage bickering and ideological splits as the movements leaders butt heads and bump egos.

Their politics collapse on themselves and they all get sent away.

In promoting all agendas, they promote none. Thats not generally the dangerous type of paramilitary movement. The dangerous type of movement is paramilitaries trained in terrorist tactics.

Now they not only understand how to fight for their ideology, they also know how to promote it using underground media.

Being in Al-Quieda becomes like a movie. You start feelings like your in fuckin' Rambo fighting WITH the Taliban. (Rambo 3, look it up)

So, you know, with comstar, part of the thrill was probably in feeling that your cause was righteous and your thoughts were just, even if you did look in the mirror and feel a bit off your rocker.

Leftist and civilian movements tend to have disastrous leadership. Leftist movements that succeed are so rare they are like rolling on a roulette wheel. Even if if you wanted one to succeed, political demagogues do not make good generals.

>>54423383
I don't think there is such thing as a left wing military. I think anyone who engages in paramilitary engagements is a civilian. They think and act like civilians, not formal militaries. They will do things you hadn't thought of, they will try to surprise you.

>>54416706
New Vandenberg`s VMI is doing the MAD-2R, Pinard`s PPL is still doing the -3R.

>>54423264
You're joking right? You do know that the three mechs in the Second Succession War book are originally Dougram designs, right?

>>54423418
Leftist movements will spend most of their time trying to evade capture and solicit manpower. The more of them they are, the easier it becomes for them to secure shelter, raid facilities, and bully the community into paying for their necessities through armed barter or trade.

You'll notice a trend. Each time a leader refuses to step down from office, they become more popular with the ruling class, until, eventually, they become so embedded, that they are indistinguishable from them.

>>54423336
Knock it off with the Reddit spacing.

>>54423420
Haha!
My secret plan worked!
I succeeded in boring you to death!

>>54423264
It's possible that they have a Gencon surprise in store, as they've done it before. But there's absolutely no HG-inspired art in 2nd SW, I gather, even stuff that came out previously.

>>54423478
If I didn't double space it it would look terrible. Each of those sentences is a separate paragraph. Go ahead, cut it, cut the spaces, and see if it reads the same.

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>>54423490
Wat?

>>54422815

All but confirmed they went out like bitches against Mad Malvina and the Cockfalcons.

>>54423336

>So how exactly is it that there are no interplanetary smuggling economies?

But there are, anon. It's just that the game is called BATTLETECH, not BLACKANDGREYMARKETECONOMICS.

As for the rest, do try to be coherent.

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>>54423621
No! I demand an INANE amount of complexity in my games!

>>54423509
>Single sentences
>paragraphs
Try again, buddy.

>>54423621
well then why do battlemechs have price tags?
why go through all the hassle of listing and labeling every god damn factory that makes every god damn mech in existence? Why right nearly 500 pages of strat and campaign ops if they are never going to be used?

>>54423509
What goddamn school did you go to that taught you that all of those would be a separate paragraph? I need to know to make sure my kids never go there.

>>54423280
Not that guy but MW2 and Clan invasion books were what got me into BTech, I'll always have a soft spot for Trollic and his ability to shoot the crusaders in the foot at every turn. As an a adult looking back though, Phelan a shit and really suffers from stackpole protagonist syndrome.

Really the only protagonist he did that didn't was Vlad, and he started as a villain/foil to Phelan.

>>54423921
>>54423621
>>54423727

You my boss?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

>>54423983
>Vlad
That guy really had it in for him. He didn't hate Phelan because he challenged their tradition, he hated him because he was envious of him.

Also, Vlad is not the protagonist, he is the villian.

>>54423983
Also, didn't Vlad die?

>>54423983
>>54424078
I thought he died in one of Phelan's trials.

>>54424078
Vlad didn't die until after the Jihad, where he was killed by the Horses.

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>>54423983
Same for me, and I went Wolf all the way up to the Refusal War.

But when it ended and Phelan went off to have his own Sue adventures with a couple galaxies worth of troops and warships that had never been mentioned before, I dropped the Wardens and stayed with the true Wolves.

I mean damn, I don't play Clanners so I can be a pet to some Inner Sphere faction.

And I'll admit I did enjoy Phelan as a protagonist in the Blood of Kerensky books. But he as a character, and the Wolves in Exile in general, felt rather pointless as the plotline went on.

Honestly the WiE, like Wolf's Dragoons, should have just bought it permanently in the Jihad.

pic related, a young Natasha Kerensky after raiding Snord's Irregular's clothes museum.

>>54422633
Does Katrina Davion-Steiner count? Maybe she didn't officially hold the throne, but she caused a pretty big mess trying to get there, as I understand.
That being said though, Davion seems to be the standard "good guy" faction, even though they have their own shades of gray, so naturally the writers are going to give them a few less faults.

>>54424137
>I don't play Clanners so I can be a pet to some Inner Sphere faction.
damn straight. better to be a crusader than a lapdog.

I don't have a problem with the ideology so long as it is implemented properly. I'm accustomed to a great deal of freedom and I think sometimes living in a monarchy might cramp my style.

>>54424004
>You my boss?
On the internet I am

>>54424258
People need to be given a chance to excel. Having a rigid and stratified class system can make it difficult for people who want a high station in life to attain any measure of respect or self-worth.

>>54424280
I'm sorry, have I met you?
Cause I don't recall your name, Mr. *cough*fucksticksayswhat?*cough*

>>54424321
Damn, you can't win trying to out-faggot >>54424280 Also helps to be over 18.

>>54424050
>>54424078
>>54424088
Vlad got his own book later on where he learns how to troll people from Ulric, chokes out the falcon khan and becomes khan of the crusader wolves.

>>54424137
>Honestly the WiE, like Wolf's Dragoons, should have just bought it permanently in the Jihad.
I agree

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Let's stop playing pol.
Have a pixie and cheer up.

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>>54423509
>>54423490
>>54423472
>>54423418
>>54423383
>>54423336
>>54423164
>>54423130
>>54423047
>>54423012
>>54422996
>>54422947
>>54422932
>>54422883
>>54422852
>>54422749
>>54422724
>>54422561

Fuckin' Circinians get off my board. You're deader than the Jags.

In fact, all the good Pirates are dead.

>>54424524
If you want to be caught up then read the housebooks/handbooks and the latest DA plotbook (that's FM:3145). That's like seven books.

That's not asking you to read any of the hundred novels, fifty other sourcebooks, etc. As for the rest of us. We LIKE that thirty years of fiction and plot has been rolling and significant in what's going on in the universe. It's why people are so pissed that ilClan is still delayed.

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>tfw no Clanner gf

>>54425080
>In fact, all the good Pirates are dead
And it's a damn shame
If I was rewriting the DA, one of the many, many things I'd change would be having a bunch of new bandit kingdoms pop up all over the place during and immediately after the jihad

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>>54424381
That guy was horrible with his lines but did make some nifty designs.

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>>54424381

>>54425408
If the head was closer to the traditional unseen Stinger I would totally use that.

>>54425427
The missile lay out on the shad is interesting to say the least.

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>>54425437
It's clear he wanted to make it so that the thing actually had a cockpit.
Stinger is simply not one of the mechs that can be redesigned properly. The correct way to do it would be to bend the rules a bit and make the head a camera visor that it really is, wave it off as some of the earlier efforts to make torso cockpits. Then feel free to go wild with the head design.

>>54425238
she looks like she is in a sports commercial.

Clanerade. Its got Electrolytes your body craves!

>>54422723
Caleb is a lazily-written case. They couldn't have an actual repellent person, they had to go and try to play the "mentally ill" card.

Though, really, the entire house is rather tainted when they went in for that Oriental Purge during the 1SW...

>>54425669
a pox on deze nutz, Stiener Trash!

Similiarly, I notice how most people in the mechwarrior universe are almost universally well mannered and well behaved. None of them ever exhibit any crass or crude behavior.

That just goes to show they are afraid of behaving like men. Men are filthy. Men are animals. You put a woman in a dorm with a group of men she better be more animal than woman.

>>54425527
>wave it off as some of the earlier efforts to make torso cockpits
In one of the Gray Death books set on Caledonia (Tactics of Duty?) a Stinger is described pretty much that way. The head is actually more akin to an oversized helmet while the pilot sits mostly in the torso. I for my part dig it.

"Military traditionalists have repeatedly pointed out that the Assault Mechs are very poorly designed weapons - farcically bad, some have even said. They're extremely tall and are almost impossible to camouflage, making them easy targets. Their two-legged gait is more complicated, more expensive, more vulnerable and less efficient than are treaded wheels. And if one of the blasted things fall over, it can't get up again without the assistance of massive cranes or helicopters. Yank off the legs and mount the chassis on treads, the experts say, and you'll get a better weapon at lower cost.

All this is true. However, the units have one thing going for them that more than compensates for all of their weaknesses: they're massively, enormously cool. Military planners have long noted that national governments often confuse coolness with effectiveness and are willing to pay a lot more for flashy armaments than they are for effective but dull systems. In other words, a military with Mech Assault units has an easier time getting its bloated budget approved than does one without them. As long as this continues, the Mech's future is assured."

>>54425758
Mechwarriors always come off as a bit of a priss, you know what I mean? Like my daddy bought me a brand new jaguar and now I'm an airplane pilot kind of way.

Just once, couldn't you have them come off as crude, slovenly, maybe even a tad undisciplined?

>>54425758
Ah, that paradoxical canard. Maybe people stopped acting like that when you could get nuclear-fragged with an Elias, because you could get nuclear-fragged with an Elias.

>>54425779
see, this is where the scene would cut away and somebody would throw a beer bottle into the television. Then you'd cut to a bunch of wild marines having a good time.

>>54425795
>this dude hasn't read about backwater stations and pirates

Stop reading about flagship parade units if you don't want to read about flagship units.

>>54410906
DESU my first introduction into Battletech was Mech Warrior 3. Many years later as I got into the actual Battletech Universe I found the more Animesque mechs to look weird and stupid.

Is this unusual, or is it just me?

>>54425804
Somebody getting nuked half a galaxy away is completely inconsequential to your daily lives on another friggan PLANET.

People aren't being drafted into the war effort, there is still a middle class, the majority of people living in the core worlds are so far removed from whats going on in the fringes that they can't even imagine a conventional warfare scenario.

>>54425888
Nah, just joking. It's probably like >>54425848 mentioned. Nuke-fragging is only possible on well-stocked units, anyway.

>>54425484
micro-mini's

>>54425920
Also, >>54425888, half a galaxy? The IS isn't even a quarter of one arm on the Milky Way, and jump drives make travel even easier than the text seems to think it is.

>>54425758
>>54425795
>>54425804

Read about pirate bands then. If you read about elite units, don't be surprised they act like elite units. I mean, it's like people forget that in BT, Mechwarriors are supposed to be knights of the Inner Sphere.

>>54425839
Giant humanoid mechs are one of the most common designs in the known galaxy. They can be seen on nearly any battlefield bristling with guns, rockets, missiles, lasers, and god knows what else.

And sometimes I look at these multi ton death machines and I think to myself "We could've made them look like anything, but we made them look like US."

>>54425874
These are mechs made by a couple dozen different cultures spread across four million square light years over the better part of a thousand years.

There should be vastly different designs and you should hate some of them.

HAMAS, its been 30 years!
When are you going to get a job and move out of the basement?!
But Mom, I need to capture a russian nuke and use it to blow up Washington!
When are you going to stop watching old movies! Go! Get up! Find a job!
(Takes his AK-47)
Hamas... give me that, c'mon, give it, its time to go out and find a job!
Awwwwww!
ANNND de bombs!
AWWWWW!!!

>>54425963
Nice.

>captain autism is back with the shitpost shotgun again
And here I was hoping we might get an actual discussion in, this thread

>>54426030
dude, WHAT DO YOU WANT
its an anonomous image board, if you want to have a productive conversation you have to petition the forum for a change of venue.

"Hey guys! Want to have a bit more highminded conversation over at the pub?"
OR
"Lets pick this up over at the bt.forums gaiz."
see how easy it is?

>>54425874
>I found the more Animesque mechs

The irony is so thick here you could spread it on a toast and serve it with beer.

Believe it or not, I can be civil for five minutes at a time. Its just here, people get up in your face all the time, they talk shit and they talk trash and you gotta talk back or you get smashed.

If you don't raise your voice on 4chan, nobody can hear you!

>>54426086
Is it so surprising that people like giant robots without the anime aesthetic?

>>54426086
Do you guys ever stop whining?
A hobbyist stole a couple of designs from a popular cartoon show in the 1980's, who fucking cares?

At this point, its just patent trolling

I saw the Macross remake, it was SHIT, okay? Robotech, Southern Cross, and the Sentinals up until the moment it got shitcanned were all good shows, after that the show tanked.

>>54426129
There are almost no giant robots without the "anime aesthetic".
You either rip off Star Wars, make something uncanny or use the "anime aesthetic" and make a normal giant robot.

You know why I don't watch anime anymore? Because I haven't seen any anime with any artistic merit come out of southeast asia in a LONG ass time.

90% of it is just nasty ass hentai and pseudo philosophical stuff like Evangelicon, I haven't seen one statement that had any integrity besides, "We like big tiddies and fucking underage girls."

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>>54426265
>No giant robots without Anime

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>southeast Asia
Gee, I wonder why. *cough*Burger education*cough*

>>54426329
You forgot one word there.

As I said, there are some examples out there, but Battletech is not one of them.
The only thing that would never run with the Japanese is the Omega, because 3 legged robots are not their thing.

who's for tying some helpless civilians to the side of mechs and using them as meat shields? Mechs with big ass meat spikes and skulls everywhere?

Do you want that? Is that what you want on your television?

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>>54426329
>Battletech took theirs from anime originally
>40k took theirs from Battletech TRO:3025 mechs originally

You just didn't Kevin Bacon it enough broham.

>>54426441
We have venues for this sort of stuff. Its not kids stuff.

You have two, desperate and distinct categories, adult and young adult. Except in america, only young adults watch adult films and only children watch young adult films,

Every adult film is guaranteed to have gratuitous sex scenes and violence, while every young adult movie is bound to have patronizing themes which insult young peoples intelligence.

Your not censoring our content, you're censoring our culture.

>>54426441
That's literally what the pirates of Haven's Cluster do.

>>54426527
Butthurt Cappie detected

I can argue both sides of the issue because I am completely un-invested in the outcome.

>>54426265
Dude, giant robots were a thing before Anime. You can look at pulp comics from the '50s and earlier.

>>54426624
If you really want to drag it back, War of the Worlds is probably the earliest modern use of the giant robot. Giant stuff was around before but I think that's the earliest where they're just machines.

>>54426624
>Dude, giant robots were a thing before Anime.

Not ones you pilot. Come the fuck on /btg/.
Look where the fuck you are, I'm not trying to insult BTech or something.

>>54426709
>Not ones you pilot.

See>>54426654

Or rather listen to this. You'll probably have more fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABbtSF4vII

"Look! There they are! What did I tell you?"

>>54426709
This pleb has never heard of ATOMO!

>>54426791
Wasn't that changed a million times between now and then with numerous re-prints? Still, that's about as much of a claim as Da Vinci being the inventor of the helicopter, tanks and even robots.

>>54426904
No. The tripods were always piloted machines.

>>54410906
Davion
medium
heavy
heavy
heavy

>>54427594

Rolled 2, 3 + 2 = 7 (2d6 + 2)

>>54416061
Tassa go and stay go

>>54426904
Except giant robots still remain fiction, whereas tanks, planes and normal robots are not and the original contestation was that giant robots as a concept don't originate in anime and therefore can exist quite comfortably without the aesthetic.

Nice movement of the goalpost though.

>>54427594
Field Manual 3145
9 Griffin 6S
8 Warhammer 9D
4 Thanatos 6S
11 Rifleman IIC 8

I really like Victors, Thunderbolts and Griffins.
what faction makes heaviest use of those mechs?

>>54430731
Fedcom/Lyrans, though you could also argue for Davion too.

>>54430731
Victors? Davion
Griffins? Davion and Steiner
Thunderbolts? About the only faction that doesn't use a lot of them are the Dracs. Marik, Steiner, Cappies, Davions all use the Thud.

>>54430731
that could easily be a Davion, Taurian or possibly Lyran lance.
could probably be plausible as a second-line drac force, too

>>54430731
>Victors
Davion, Liao, Kurita

>Thunderbolts
Steiner, Marik, Liao, Taurians

>Griffins
>Steiner, Davion, Marik


So like the other guy said. Fedcom.

>>54427663

But I like it here. It's better to have real conversation here than play Mother May I with the OF mods.

How do you guys come up with names for your custom mechs?

>>54432835
I go just go full 80's. Also, people who use non-english characters in theirs should be shot. Everything should have a standard three syllable or less enemy code if nothing else like the Wolftrap or Mauler. Stuff like the Umlautachingchongahorohito-niichan just plain doesn't belong.

Animals, weapons, troop types, mythic creatures, gods, armor pieces and famous people are always popular. Stuff like Vambrace, Blaster, Tiger, St. Elmo, those sort of things.

>>54432835
I usually do custom designs not full custom mechs. I like to give them super grandiose names and make the pilot customs for characters in campaigns.

For example the BBEG of my last campaign piloted an atlas variant called Titanicus.

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>>54432835
Basically what >>54433169 said; There are a lot of recent canon units that have shitty names for the purposes of being military units; the Cappies are notorious for this shit post-Jihad, and Hell's Horses have tripped over it a few times. FWL too. To add to the "famous people" thing, that counts for both RL famous people like Sheridan, Musashi, Rasputin, etc, and it also counts for in-universe folks like Toyama, Blake, Mad Max, and so on. Digging up a famous Star League general or something to name your 'Mech after is bonus points, and apparently, from my experience, the /k/ crowd loves it when you name things after anything Gun Jesus would talk about; pic related.

>>54433292
A fellow /k/ommando I see.

>>54433558
Nah, I casually like guns and watch a lot of Gun Jesus. Only sparingly visited /k/, but I do like me some shootan'.

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First 'mech. Be gentle.

>>54434759

Nice detailing with the "eye". Solidly done, anon.

>>54434759
For your first mech, you are surprisingly good. Do you do other mini work somewhere? That kind of cockpit detail isn't a new painter thing.

>>54434126
Glory be to Gun Jesus

>>54434800
>>54434813
Thanks. It's definitely not my first mini, just my first Battletech piece. I've done a lot of 40k and various fantasy before, but nothing beyond average table quality. The eye was just something I found on google and tried to mimic. Glad to hear it worked.
Honestly, the panel lines always intimidated me when I looked at BT minis, but it seems I can cheat em well enough with inkwashing and drybrushing.

>>54433169
I fucking hate the last Drac and Cappy mech/vees names...some are just a tongue twister

>>54423280
Similar reasons to what >>54423983 said. I've liked the Warden Wolves since MW2 got me interested in BT, and Ulric is basically the Clans' greatest troll.

>>54434889
Fucking Americans
For us, that don't speak English as first language, every mech name is nonsense
You guys get a couple of weird names and start bitching about how hard it is for you to comprehend words in other languages


Fuck you

>>54434889

And going by what I've heard from native speakers, Google Translate rather than what they would actually say.

>in b4 roosterboy posts to say that's intentional because muh linguistics and muh language drift

>>54435222

>oh no, product made in america for americans gives non-americans problems
>reeeeeeeeeeee

>>54434818
Blake, Gun Jesus, ???

Who should the third of the holy trinity be?

>>54435399
Cameron, since he gave us the Blessed Mackie.

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>>54435222
>how hard it is for you to comprehend words in other languages

Foreign language is tough, but English through a megaphone is impossible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqvAFd4gVE

>>54435222
>For us, that don't speak English as first language, every mech name is nonsense
Soooo why not translate them to your first language?

>>54435222
It's less about 'foreign' words and more about how long they actually are, m8. Assuming this isn't pure baitshow, something like the Zeus (Greek) or the Naginata (Japanese) aren't bad at all. Cuchulainn on the other hand? If you don't speak Gaelic good luck. Huitzilopochtli? Don't speak Nahuatl? Welp.

>>54435222
Make your own mech game in your own barbarian language then.

Besides, if the names are nonsense then you're obviously not as well versed in English as you should be.

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Since we're on the subject, thought I'd make one of these. Haven't played against of the new retarded Steiner or Clan named machines to have my group have any nicknames for them, and the Kuritan ones usually get shortened more than outright replaced or used normally. The long neck monster mech becomes the Roku, and so on.

Hopefully somebody gets a chuckle.

>>54436311
"Lurch" and "Mr. T" made me smile, at least.

>>54433292
I actually named one of my Black Knights DeChevalier, it was piloted by a Clanner pilot so I thought they might use names of the friends of old Kerensky. I know it should be an Atlas but at the moment in the campaign I didn't have any.

>>54435675
Cuchulainn causing you problems, how ? I agree on the Huitzilopochtli as it's god damn mouthful to say in middle of combat.

>>54437035
>>54435675
>Cuchulainn
Pretty sure that one's pronounced "coo coo-lan"

>Huitzilopochtli
I'm sure nobody would fault you for calling it Huey. Fuck that aztec noise.

>>54437484
>I ain't no fortunate son plays in the distance

>>54435675
>>54437035
Coo-CULL-in, I think.
The Nahuatl one is definitely harder. Google suggests wheat-seal-o-poached-lee or some shit.

>>54437756
>wheat-seal-o-poached-lee
That's the Huitzlopochtli.

Nahuatl would be like nuh-huh-ut-el.

>>54438351
He's saying Huitzilopochtli is in the Nahuatl language.

hey. I'm putting together a merc lance (around 3030), can't decide on the fourth 'mech.

So far I have the commander riding a wolfhound, blackjack for direct fire support, and commando as a striker. Any suggestions on the fourth? I was thinking ASN, but I'm not 100% sold on that one.

>>54437035
>Cuchulainn
If you have to look up how to pronounce something in a workable manner, it's not a good name for a combat unit in a wargame that must be repeatedly referred to. That's mostly my point. Sure, I mean once you have looked it up, then it's a non-issue, but that's just an extra hoop you should avoid making players jump through.

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>>54438952

Zeus. You've got a heavy Steiner bias and it's a good Steiner light mech so it fits in.

Seriously, though, get a Zeus. Memes aside, that's an awful light lance so far, and having something that can give and take some punishment will be useful; you can give your scout units long-range cover with actually useful guns (and the Blackjack), and the enemy will likely focus-fire the Zeus which leaves your scout unit free to do their thing and de-ass the battle area. Ideally you modify it to replace the AC/5+ammo with a PPC and add 2 SHS, and remove both MLs. Extra tonnage gets ploughed into armor (giving you about 13.5 tons, which is more reasonable)..

Thematically, a Griffin would probably be better, but it doesn't give you a lot of extra capability over what you already have. Right now your lance does one thing - recon - and only passably well. Might as well have a heavy asset to cover your collective butts.

>>54438952
Mercs would be unlikely to have the Assassin, since it's quite rare. The Wolfhound is also a bit odd since it's very new for that time period (it's only been in production for two years and only the Kell Hounds and Goons have gotten their hands on it). I'd advise replacing the Wolfhound with something more accessible. Perhaps a Phoenix Hawk? For the fourth, I'd suggest an actual fire support platform that the Blackjack can bodyguard. Maybe a Griffin or a Dervish?

Of course if you don't care about fluff or dates, then disregard my Wolfhound and Assassin comments, but I think the Assassin isn't the best fit because while it's mobile, it's just another striker for the most part, so it's not that great a fit. A Javelin might also be a prudent choice, since you're already riding the SRM logistics train.

>>54438952
You are in profound and desperate need of something heavy to anchor the lance, and fire support as well.
I'd suggest an Archer or Crusader st the very least, or, since they're good or connected enough to lay hands on a Wolfhound, a Awesome or Stalker would be fitting, or perhaps a modified Zeus (they seem lyran) or Atlas or Longbow

>>54439422
>>54439117

Mercs should barely even have access to Mechs in general, and assuming they can get anything heavier than medium class mechs is munchkinry of the purest form. If you want fire support you can buy LRM trucks.

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>>54439545
I wondered if you'd show up. Slow night?

>>54439117
>>54439149
>>54439422

that zeus doesn't sound like a terrible idea. The general notion is that the mercs are well connected and able to get their hands on good hardware. If not a Zeus, how about a Grasshopper for an anchor?

>>54439721

'Hoppers are supposed to be rare as fuck but show up a lot on RATs due to the removal of the Unseen and people knowing how good they are as energy boats.

I'd go the Archer.

>>54439839
>I'd go the Archer.

Goons and Hounds already do that. It's derivative and unoriginal.

>>54439849
Being original as a new Merc group is a bit tough if you're trying to be realistic about it. If not though, then you have a lot of options. The Hopper makes a great addition to a recce lance, because it is mobile and extremely tough, making it the perfect linchpin and something your scouts can hide behind. Another thing to consider is the possibility of a Victor; jumps, decent armor, and a big thread on that AC/20, and they are much more readily available. If you want a heavy fire support 'Mech, the Crusader L is a good jumper that an fight at all ranges, if not a bit explodey. You could go full SLDF cache and use a Bombadier too.

>>54439849

It's also one of the most common 'Mechs in existence.

>>54439931
If I was going full SLDF cache I might add a GLT (fits the same role as a hopper).

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>>54440102
You do you man. Don't let anyone tell you how to play or build a force. Everybody has a way they wanna Battletech, and the trick is to find folks who'll play with you despite it.

>>54440323
yeah, well I wasn't quite sure of that last 'mech - that's why I asked for input.

WLF-1 is a decent run-and-gun 'mech, and with a commando to get in with his pepperbox, and a BJ to poke from afar, I wasn't quite sure what else I wanted. A 'hopper fits the bill quite nicely.

I did run a traditional Steiner Scout Lance a few times (two atlases, a bnc-3s, and a zeus).

Think I'll get around to painting a snek striker next though (two Jennys, panther, and worthless).

>>54441387
I would argue that something like Wolverine 6M would a good fit for 3030s Merc team and Steiner probaly got few for salvage during the 4th Succession War and willing to sell them to Mercs due to Steiner forces going "fuck Marik and mediums I want damn heavies and assault mechs."

>>54442075

Reminder that MUL is canon, and that the WVR-6M is arbitrarily Marik-only because fuck logic and fuck you.

>>54442075

GRF-1S works for that, and it's #lyranpride.

>>54411437
. . . Good pick

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>>54411392
I hate Energy weapons, In that they seem to throw the balance of everything out of whack for me, Specialized AC ammo is generally too uncommon and not quite effective enough to make up for the difference in power level

In campaign play, nothing can compete with the logistical efficiency of Energy weapons, and on the tabletop, they generally outperform their closest Ballistic and Missile counterparts, especially as one draws closer to 3025 3rd Succession war (Which most of my group games in)

They're cheap, low crits, low weight, the heat is usually much easier to manage than the weight of ACs, don't need to worry about exploding ammo or running out of ammo on the tabletop, or accounting for ammo in Campaign play

I hate them because they throw the engineering balances out of whack, the design choices that guide the tactical choices of managing attrition and avoiding Pyrrhic victories are somewhat mitigated by a weapon system with infinite ammo

I hate them because I can't beat them, and I don't want to use them, but I have to

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>>54411444
>>54411544
Trips, dubs, in sequence?
What an age we live in

>>54438952
If you can't decide, default to Atlas.

>>54443782
I'm pretty much settled on the hopper, unless I take a zeus or a griffin 1s.

>>54435222
Not an american moron. And english is not my main language (That would be panchito, or spanish if you like).

But shit like Yinghuochong is a tongue twister in mandarin or whatever ching chong language it is.

>>54436311

If making someone chuckle was your goal, mister, you got it. Specially with the Big Titie...i am using that bastard mech in a merc campgain.

new thread

I think there's a minor update in this one.

>>54444189

>>54444195
I love how you keep making new threads like 6 posts early. Well, by *love* I guess I meant despise.

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>>54444688
ok