Is it possible for a Cthulhu monster to be benevolent?

>>54410842
Nothing George R.R. Martin creates is benevolent.

>>54410842
Sure

Have you ever caught a bug and thrown it outside instead of killing it, or rescued a drowning bee from a bucket of water?

There you go.

>>54410905
I alway reasoned like this. If their mere presence fucks over our entire planet it makes sense they stay far behind distant stars, its like when you avoid stepping on the ant roads.

>>54410842
Yes, Titus Crow once married Cthulhu's adoptive niece.

Cthulhu's brother was kind of a black sheep though - and not in a Shub-Niggurath way

>>54410842
go read up on bloodborne

Everything is possible.

The thing here is that Mythos beings do not share same kind of perception and understanding as mortals on Earth do.

For example, something among them would focus on locking up humans in a special zoo so they wouldn't hurt themselves or get hurt by old ones doing their thing.

On the other hand, you may have those that understand humans and do whatever they need to preserve them without zoo's for reasons unknown.

>>54410842
Yep, but it operates on such a different scale and system of morality to the average human its still an incomprehensible eldrich being enacting its horror upon the world.

For an example play Bloodborne

>>54410950
Because they're paranoid about having human get on their flip-flops and bite their feet?

>>54411032
Yes, some probably do that but some also do it because they dont wanna kill the ants.

>>54410842
While Lovecraft mostly kept his creation's goals and morals unclear at best and incomprehensible at worst, later authors created beings that were clearer on the good vs evil spectrum. Whether that's a good thing or not is up for debate.

>>54410871
What did he mean by this?

>>54410842
Well yeah but they would be a hippy. A cthulu hippy.

>>54411170
A joke based on the absolute ignorance of OP to use the phrase "Cthulhu monster"

>>54410842
Humans that got changed, or human descendants of monsters, sure.

But the REAL monsters and gods are generally far too alien in their nature to consider it.

Is a human "benevolent" or "evil" to an ant if it steps on it or doesn't step on it simply because it doesn't notice it or spend even a second contemplating it?

>>54410842
I think there is a race of aliens that created humanity, then died out. But they still sort of linger, and talk to people in dreams and stuff.

So they're the closest thing to benevolent.

>>54411737
>But the REAL monsters and gods are generally far too alien in their nature to consider it.

No, anon, HUMANS are the REAL monsters.

>>54411737
This. The Old Gods and most of the alien races are so different from humanity and strange to our morals that "benevolence" is under or beyond their nature. Now humans, hybrids and humans turned to monsters have shown good will in some stories.

>>54411737
They're often far too alien to really be considered malevolent either. Many of them are completely unaware of what they passively do to normal beings.

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Yes

>>54410842
In the Cthulhu Mythos is an entity named, if I remember correctly, 'Nodens'; he appears as an old (human) man, and while he's not exactly the friendliest guy around, he does go out of his way not to fuck with humanity unless it's for the express purpose of ruining Nyarlathotep's plans.

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>>54412766
Nodens isn't a Great Old One or an Outer God, though: he's a mere Elder God (AKA the Gods of Man) from Celtic mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodens

>>54411737
Yea but he mi go and the great race both have interest in humanity.

There is nothing stoping lovecraftian monsters from being good to us, but it is the exception not the norm

>>54413057
Nah, there's a difference between Elder Gods and the Gods of Earth.

Nodens is on a level roughly equal to other GOOs, he just tends to avoid squishing us.

As another example, Bast and Yig are pretty damn similar, just people like cats.

>>54411170
he confuses JRRT with Edgar Allen Poe, you dumb, uneducated cocksucker

Technically, sure. Most aren't malevolent to begin with, and simply ignore humans like you ignore the microbes all around your body right now.
But just like you ignore the trillions of microbes dying every second to your outrageous body heat, so too do you ignore how your lower intestines house loads of friendly microbes that you live in symbiosis with, sheltering and feeding in a most benevolent way.

>>54410842
>a Cthulhu monster
What did they mean by this?

>>54413724
Sorry guys kind of a brain fart

What would you call it though?

>>54410842
Read his "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". It has plenty of bro-tier monsters, including ghouls and the blind winged guys.

>>54413874
Lovecraftien (after Cthulhu's author) or Eldritch (a word Lovecraft masturbates to)

>>54412715
was Rom actually benevolent?
after all, the only way to truly end the nightmare is to fight off the Old One who created it
was she even aware of her powers holding back the bloodmoon, for that matter?

>>54413442
>Your friendly microbes in your intestines will never worship you as a god being.

>>54414827
You think they don't? What about all the offerings

>>54411737
I would call a person who steps on ants a cockhead, personally. I always make sure to not step on insects when I walk.

>>54414847
There's only so much Vitamin B and K that I can accept before I just want a shrine of some kind, ya know?

>>54410842
>Jesus Christ Pleasant, put some clothes on.

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>>54414905
Just because you keep shitting it out doesn't mean there is no shrine.

>>54410842

A good Cthulhu monster is neither benevolent nor malevolent. You are merely beneath it and it may kill you on accident.

>>54414982
This is why the comparison to humans and insects is so apt.
Eldritch creatures typically don't even bother thinking about humanity, unless we get in the way somehow. Otherwise, they just go about doing their own shit and may occasionally kill a few people out of boredom.

>>54411100
Yes, but even people like that sometimes kill ants if they are in a bad mood, want to keep ants out of their personal space, or just don't realize what they are doing.

>>54414750
I will say no, since the actual Japanese name is "rom the stupid spider"
>>54413286
Maybe if they weren't spending so much time putting brains in jars they'd make better music

>>54414971
>I'm constantly genociding my own worshippers

Fuck. I can't even god right

>>54414750
depends on interpretation like fucking EVERYTHING in bloodborne

>>54416537
Being a genius loci is fucking tough man. Especially when you realize the very landscape spawns monsters to devour invaders, which know enough to not be microbist and assume all bacteria are harmful.
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>>54410842
>Cthulhu monster
>benevolent

Feel free to draw inspiration from other works and change them. There's no rule against scary monsters that are actually nice (gentle giant trope?). But what about your monster do you want to be "Cthulhu"? Mysterious? Very powerful? Hideous? What is the character, what is the idea?

>>54411110
I thought Cthulhu was meant to elevate mankind to a "everybody kills each other and parties" sort of "civilization"?

>>54414905
Kidney stone, on the way.

>>54414750
Well first of all the blood moon is always there, you just couldn't see it.
Second, I don't think so. Redgrave's The Paleblood Hunt is a good read, and makes the case for Rom being an infant or child transformed into a great one kin. Rom barely fights you, only doing so in self-defense and even then you have to exhaust your stamina bar like 3 times before it does anything, and even then it's just flailing around, no cunning.

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I was under the impression that The Great Race of Yith was actually pretty ok with people.

Also possibly consider Mantorok from Eternal Darkness. It was content to live as a benevolent fertility god to the Khmer people it came to.

>>54414982

Nah, Nyarly's the best Cthulhu monster and his entire deal is that he's not one of those lame I AM TOO ALIEN TO COMPREHEND gods.

His deal is that he's a cunt and a dumb cunt and will fuck up your day because he's a cunt.

>>54410981
This. The Great Ones are sympathetic in nature and would love for humans to join them, but humans never seem to ascend because of there horrible ways of going about it.

>>54418175
>It was content to live as a benevolent fertility god to the Khmer people it came to.
Well, it wasn't a fertility god at all. Mantorok's power is all about time and decay and crap, not fertility. It was content to passively accept worship and sacrifices and not disabuse them of their mistake. Which is about the most you can hope for, I guess.

>>54416468
>Rom the stupid spider
No. The actual Japanese name is Rom the "empty headed" spider.

Many eastern religions, particularly Taoism and Buddhism, place a great emphasis on clarity of mind or absence of unnecessary thoughts as one of the key components of enlightenment. FROM was likely trying to express something along that line through Rom's title, a connotation which was completely lost when translated into English and looked at through the lens of western culture. Of course, Rom simply being mindless instead or in addition to this other interpretation is also certainly possible, but either way its still important to look the title in its full context.

>>54418473
The PC makes it though.

>>54414750
Rom was a good boy, just trying to look after everyone.

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>>54410842
Sure, it looks a little something like this.

>>54414750
Rom was more of a tool used to hide, occlude, and hinder the other Great Ones. She was stupid but harmless, and passively benevolent, if not actively.

You fight her because it is the only way to reach the truth about the Great Ones, but a case can be made that she is actually the only thing keeping people alive/sane in the beginning of Bloodborne.

Are there creatures and monsters beyond the comprehension of even the Great Ones, or are they at the top? Is there anything above those above the Great Ones? Etc.

>>54420220
Probably, but it's really hard for humans to even conceive what kind of beings they would be. A running theme in Lovecraft's works was that the true nature of reality is way, way bigger than what humans can comprehend after all.

>>54419994
But only after becoming the legendary,
BROCCOLI MAN, MAN OF BROCCOLI, GREATEST HUNTER THERE EVER WAS

>>54420220
it loops around. maybe the great incomprehensible ones don't interact with us because we're their great incomprehensible ones

>>54410842
Please oh Great One, grant me the power to-
> SURE THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR IM A GOOD GUY AFTER ALL! HERE YOU GO!
Haha! Time to conquer earth!

Please grant me my wish, oh Majestic One.
> ALREADY ON IT! GOSH I DO LOVE HELPING PEOPLE!
AAAH MY ZOMBIE PUPPY IS EATING MEEEE

Please grant me knowledge, oh Awe-inspiring One.
> EASY PEASY MY FRIEND! I DO LOVE HELPING!
Argh, my brains....knowledge...WArglglglelalbellal

>>54420412
I'd become a broccoli if it meant I got to live forever.

>>54420540
Who wanntts to live forevveeerr
Who wannttss to live forrevverrrr?
Oooohh
Ooooohhh
When love must die?

I don't think they're actively hostile. More like they have a blue/orange morality scale.

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>>54410842
Is it possible for a kid with a magnifying glass to NOT burn ants on an anthill?

>>54420877
Yes, just unlikely because the Kid doesn't understand the concept of life/death or even morality. They are in fact, physically incapable of it because their brains aren't developed fully.

Incidentally this is how I explain species with "Always Evil" alignments, they lack empathy centers by nature

>>54418473
>This. The Great Ones are sympathetic in nature and would love for humans to join them, but humans never seem to ascend because of there horrible ways of going about it.
well that and the Moon Presence being a dick and making things even harder by being the source of the Beast Plague(ironically the Great Ones are actually pretty understandable by Eldritch Abomination standards, their basic motive has logic to it, it's just the way they try to achieve it and the scale they operate on that gets harder to understand)

heck people like to make comparisons between Oedon and the Abrahamic God or the Zoroastrian Ahura Mazda, in such a scenario I'd say the Moon Presence is the Satan or Angra Mainyu/Ahriman of Bloodborne's universe

>>54410842
See: Nurgle

not saying the chaos gods are eldritch and complex abominations, but Nurgle clearly is a benevloent god, who is made evil by his purview.

>>54414750
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit

If you like reading and bloodborne, have fun. Very coherent thesis.

>>54421018
Nurgle's issue is that he loves all living things equally
So if it's better for the millions of bacteria in your gut if you're a bolated abomination, tough shit, there's more of them than you

>>54410960
>was kind of a black sheep though - and not in a Shub-Niggurath way
Ha!

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>>54420044

Why live?

>>54416537
Some would argue that's EXACTLY how one should god

>>54410842
The great race of Yith is arguably benelovent to humanity in their own dickish way.

Same for the elder things.

The Mi-Go are on the grey area, they doesn't want humans to be extinct but they are colossal faggots about it

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>>54418632
>Well, it wasn't a fertility god at all.
He chose Alex Roivas and her juicy lickable ass as his champion, anon. He can make it work for him at times.

>>54421013
pretty sure Kos is the source of the curse