/STG/ - Star Trek General

>>54407496
>Edition
There we go, much prettier than all these steel donuts being thrown around. Comfier, too.

>>54407865
I dunno. The Oberth and Daedalus classes are really comfy feeling. That said, the Nebula class is best class.

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aeroshuttle is happy about the new arriving thread.

Anons, you've got the most RIGHTEOUS OF TASKS. I've started work a Star Trek Adventures game, where the players are going to be assigned to the command staff of a Starbase in the Dominion War, on the opposite side of the Quadrant where all the misfits are sent to keep them out of the way of the war effort, for one reason or another. To that end, I need some weird (yet plausible) captains. I'm already planning on using the ancient Vulcan, who's just wanting to ride out his hitch here then go back to exploring with his Connie, but I need more.

Hard Mode: No Barclays.

>>54410223
An extremely paranoid Andorian convinced that anyone could be a shapeshifter, rotated out of the War effort because he vocalised fear about the Federation losing to the Dominion.

A Changeling that has taken over a smallish vessel and is honestly just fucking with the Feddies on this side of the galaxy. Not directly harmful, but causes plenty of problems in the running of the station and the safety of the space around it.

A Tellarite that has become crippled with indecision. Likes to sit in his office all day listening to klingon opera at full blast, while his Number One actually runs the ship.

An overly warm and genial Denobulan that keeps inviting people out to dinner aboard her ship, staffed entirely by her extended family.

Captain Nephew-Of-The-Admiral. Generally an okay guy, but considers himself a higher class and likes to throw his weight around. Largely untested in combat, so he’s kicked out to the curb.

>>54410223
An El Aurian that seems to seek out problems just so he can try and solve them. He has a nasty habit of causing significant collateral damage with his "unique solutions".

>>54410223
All I can come up with is "obvious rip-offs of WWF heels/babyfaces", like a Vulcan whose Pon Farr has tuned him into the perfection of Destrucity.

>>54410223
A Bolian woman whose wild parties are the kind that songs like We're Banned From Argo were written about them as factual accounts.

Otherwise an excellent commander and scientist, highly disciplined during all times other than shore leave where things just get a bit explosive. Literally, at times.

Assigned to a small ship to keep possible trouble to a minimum.

>>54410223
The single Federation ship Sigma Iotia II has. An antique Miranda staffed by 1920 mafiosos, who are hardcore emulating Kirk's enterprise down to the outfits, with extensive use of out dated tech.

>>54410223
Captain suspected to have ties to the Maquis and so was assigned far away with the ranking Admiral keeping an eye on him. Whether he does or not is up to you.

War veteran possibly suffering from PTSD, rotated off the front because he was flagged for psychological trauma. Ideally would be taken of duty for counseling, but Starfleet needs all the warm bodies it can find so they're hoping taking him away from the war zone is good enough to let his ship's counselor handle things. (spoiler: it isn't)

Captain who doesn't seem cut out for front-line war duty, but it's a charade because he's actually an intelligence operative keeping the Klingons and Romulans from making a mess of the Federation's backyard during the war.

Grizzled veteran with diplomatic experience, assigned away from the front because keeping things stable in the homefront is more important to the Federation than dying in the 4318th Battle of Gamma Whereverthefuck. Kinda like what the Ent-E was up to during the war, but with less facestretching aliens.

>>54410223
A cargo captain that is almost certainly a spook. She knows way too much about sensitive operations in the area and is willing to trade non-Starfleet info for "little favours".

The question is which government and organisation she's actually working for and whether she's working for or against the crew.

>>54410223
Cpt. Roberts.

Human. Veteran of the "Spoonhead" War among other thing she would like to forget.

Not actually an officer of Star Fleet, more of a private contract. Essentially her does odd jobs for local star bases hired by the local command directly on the basis that he has his own ship.

Ship is a Daedalus(probably the last one still in "working" condition )named The Barge. It has had considerable repair work done. Has a moonshine still on board somewhere of which he drinks considerable.

Crew is likewise of a similar no questions answered, don't look too close variety. Chief engineer is a Nausicaan who did time in a UFP prison for stabbing a Star Fleet boy/cadet right through the rib cage. Was freaked right the fuck out when Star Fleet looked down at the half a foot of serrated steel jutting out of his chest and started laughing. Fucking humans, man, they're all fucking insane.

Cpt. Roberts has seen some shit and only hires those to The Barge who need to be "baptized in the Styx". Cpt. Roberts is fucking insane and all the crew knows it but they will follow him because Cpt. Roberts hires only the mad and the damned. He is the only Captain they could follow, the only captain that could lash them together into a functioning whole.

>>54410223
Basically just "The Irresponsible Space Captain Tyler". Either the greatest military genius or the the luckiest idiot the fleet has. Might be both. Crew is insane and kooky but somehow manage to get by.

Seriously, just watch the show, it's great.

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>>54410223
Alternate universe duplicate acting as a replacement of a ship's original captain. Keeps getting procedures slightly wrong because they did things differently over there, but only slightly.

No-one knows they're actually a duplicate except the captain's partner (a non-star fleet specialist), who likes them slightly more than the original so won't tell.

>>54408855
I just imagine the aeroshuttle unleashing photon torpedoes on an unsuspecting adversary with that dumb smile on its face.

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>>54414451
Eat multi-megaton explosives new-friends!

>>54410223
Captain Sirius Lee Notaugmentedugaiz. One of Soong's brood from ENT waken from cold sleep. He's significantly less jerky than Khan was due to having served with the cranky Vulcan for fifty years and receiving a few beatings when he got uppity as an ensign.

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Not the guy who originally asked but that was a lot more ideas than I expected... is /stg/ feeling unusually creative today?

>>54417147
It's easy to come up with generic one-sentence ideas. Although I would say I could probably come up with more if you mentioned exactly where this starbase was supposed to be instead of "on the other side of the quadrant"

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>>54417147
>/stg/ can come up with more good ideas in a few hours than actual Trek writers have in the last twenty years

>>54417224
/stg/ isn't constrained to the set of ideas that intersects things publishers will approve and trekkies will pay money for.

What would exactly happen if a changeling had become infected with borg nanoprobes?

>>54417544
Changeling gets eaten. The nanoprobes aren't them, so they can't be shifted away. At best the changeling shifts into pure water and dives through a reverse osmosis filter.

>>54417544
On one hand, the Borg couldn't infect Species 8472, and they were definitely solid creatures with a concrete biology. On the other hand, Changelings were vulnerable to Section 31's morphogenic virus. So it depends on whatever the writers feel like.

>>54417544
Well with luck the changeling would figure out what was going on and turn into flame or some other difficult to assimilate form.

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>>54417190
The plausible part is the difficult bit. Most ideas I had would just immediately get a captain jailed or demoted and transferred as a consequence of them fucking up, because the obvious ways to make a fuck up captain are generally the ones we see them getting chased down for as villains.
I mean if you're a captain you're probably damn good at something, and the responsibility involved is huge. It's very hard to fail upwards in star fleet to the point that you'd be in charge of anything important, because of all that idealised meritocracy stuff they have going on.

>>54417544
I kinda doubt that borg nanoprobes can bond to changeling whatever the fuck they're made of, not without locking them into a specific form first.

>>54417294
There is that, the lack of risk-taking is pretty obnoxious. To the point that it seems like good ideas of any kind would be risk taking, since it's pretty much just terrible fan-service bulking out everything.

>>54410223
A weird borderline-unethical medical Doctor with a fetish for reverse engineering Borg biotech.

A hipster Engineer who hates any new tech older than the Reliant class ships.

A Chad Red Shirt who slept with the wrong Admiral's daughter.

A rookie shuttle pilot on his first assignment.

A Christmas cake Andorian Science Officer with the hots for the new Captain.

The dour by the book Federation Diplomat nominally in charge of the civillian side of the station.

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>>54410223
Just grab Roger Wilco from Space Quest V (or any of the SQ series). Job done.

>>54417847
>A Christmas cake Andorian Science Officer with the hots for the new Captain.
I didn't know I wanted this until now.

>>54418408
inb4 Andorian futas and yule log jokes

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>objectively a mindreading genius
>not one person asks him for help with their personal problems

>>54419977
>that
And to think we give the Oberth a hard time for having part of the main deck between the nacelles, nevermind ALL HABITATION AND THE BRIDGE

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>>54420394
>not using 24th century materials technology to block out the subspace radiation
>not using a subspace modulator in battle to phase shift your escort so it can tank damage better
ISHYGDDT

>>54413224
>Chief engineer is a Nausicaan who did time in a UFP prison for stabbing a Star Fleet boy/cadet right through the rib cage. Was freaked right the fuck out when Star Fleet looked down at the half a foot of serrated steel jutting out of his chest and started laughing. Fucking humans, man, they're all fucking insane.

Wait a moment. Is this the fucker that stabbed a young Picard?

Also raises a potentially interesting point.

What does Star Fleet do with it's old junk ships?

Can private individuals get hold of them to repair as a sort of pet project?

Because one plot for Trek could be a bunch of pissed off cargo haulers and retired Star Fleet officers and shit getting together, arming their ships with weapons off of the black market, forming an armada and going to nuke the Nausicaan homeworld and dockyards to the stone age.

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>>54413345
This.

A bubbling starfleet idiot captain assigned to a derelict Miranda ship after he stumbled coincidentally into command. That Miranda is a dropping ground for people too quirky for starfleet. The goofball wasn't expected to actually do anything.

Instead, he manages to win several engagements against great odds. No one, not even his own crew, can tell if it is by pure luck or if he is just pretending to be dumb.

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>>54420783
>That Miranda is a dropping ground for people too quirky for Starfleet

That was the basic premise of the Ark Royal before it devolved into a snowflake extravaganza.

Is there any particular Fleet in STO that anyone would recommend above any others?

>>54410729
>A Changeling that has taken over a smallish vessel and is honestly just fucking with the Feddies on this side of the galaxy. Not directly harmful, but causes plenty of problems in the running of the station and the safety of the space around it.
Why can't he be the vessel? They do seem to be able to change mass at will.

>>54410729
>her extended family.
>denobulan
>three spouses each, whose spouses have two other spouses who aren't your spouses (ie no sextets)
So all of Denobula?

>>54417697
>Section 31's morphogenic virus
The morphogenic field of an organism is an outdated concept which held that organisms had "ideal" which the aspired to and became closer to over generations. Basically, Platonic idealism as applied to evolution.
Given that in ST evolution actually does seem to work "towards:" things, I'd be willing to bet that the morphogenic virus actually works on the morphogenic field, and Section 31 managed to make something which infects the higher realms of pure form and idea.

>>54418707
They feel intimidated by his position of power, and his pointy ears.

>>54422311
The /v/ fleet, Vidya Trek is handy. There's no restrictions on resources and projects for fleet credits are frequent. And there's no requirement to engage with fleet activities or anything.

>>54422545
...or they're simply referring to actual morphogenesis, and since the Founders are shapeshifters its reasonable to assume they have some kind of biological matrix governing how their "body" changes shape by use of morphogens, which is what the virus targets. I mean I know Star Trek has had more than its share of retarded pseudo-science, but morphogenesis is an actual thing, and it seems strange that they'd try to refer to a theory that had been debunked decades before the original series, let alone DS9.

>>54422559
so racists all along, merely pretending to have advanced beyond it. sad.

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>>54419977

>>54422863
> pretending to have advanced beyond it
This is TOS, not TNG.

>>54422863
Bear in mind that the Humans had just discovered that their most hated vicious enemy was actually just an offshoot of the Vulcan race. I'd be a bit cagey around them too.

>>54420783
Thank you, I certainly thought it was a good idea.

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>>54422865
I'm not too fond of the refit escort hull myself but you have to admit it has a certain style.

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>>54420694
>What does Star Fleet do with it's old junk ships?
Put them in surplus depots apparently.

>Can private individuals get hold of them to repair as a sort of pet project?
Probably not or the Maquis would have been having a field day.

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>>54423950
>>54424006
>Probably not or the Maquis would have been having a field day.
Considering the same model was used for both Maquis raiders and Starfleet Peregrine fighters, I think it's implied that's exactly what's happening. Just that the Maquis need to smuggle in their own weapons systems because Starfleet strips the ships of anything important before selling the rest.

>>54424064
A 300m starship would certainly be a lot harder to smuggle out of a depot than a small civilian courier.

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>>54424767
Who needs to smuggle anything when you can just go through a Ferengi middleman?

>>54413345
I'm now wanting to write a story that is basically this, Space Captain Tyler meets Star Trek
>Bumbling idiot/military genius captain
>By the books and wound up second in command
>By the books but more relaxed third in command woman
>Sexy communications officer who joined Starfleet to give her some more focus
>Highly religious but laid back helmsman
>Sexy nurse who is actually an android spy but who comes to actually believe in the ship and her captain
>Constantly drunk and looks far older than he is doctor
>Brash and harsh marines who, later on, are found to have some of the biggest hearts
>Young and handsome as well as highly misogynistic (due to being gynophobic) pilot of one of the fighters on board who comes out of shell and comes to really appreciate women after finally getting laid
>Enemies range from absolutely cruel war criminals to honorable opponents who all fail to see the captain as he truly is, a bumbling idiot/military genius and whose leader ends up falling for him as well since she is young and idealistic
>A Starfleet admiralty who despise the captain since they think he is an idiot and constantly try to undermine/kill him with suicide assignments or worse. Come to end up relying on him way too much for their liking.
>>54420783
Wouldn't do a Miranda class, maybe a busted up Constellation Class or something along those lines.

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>>54417847
>A Christmas cake Andorian Science Officer

I'm not sure I get this term, all I can think of is icing-coated, fruity and full of booze, is that accurate?

>>54418707
Bones was clearly the one to go to for personal problems. Spock was just there to filter crew things out because Kirk didn't give a shit.

Also Spock was a better captain than Kirk.

>>54424892
Christmas cake means a woman who is over 25 in Japan. It their culture not being married and trying to have a kid by then is dishonorable or some shit. The idea behind the name means "too old" since no one wants old and out of season sweets.

>>54424767
>>54424858
You'd be better off buying the weapons from one of Romulus/Cardassia/Ferenginar's approved buying list and strapping em on to a triangle-class freighter/cruiser. That's what everybody else does. Hell thats what the entire Bajoran fleet is.

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>>54424892
You're kind of close, 'Christmas Cake' is a Japanese term for women over the ripe old age of 25, who are now considered past their prime, much like a Christmas cake is now good after Dec. 25th.

Anyway, who here is a fan of alternate refits/competing design projects coexisting? I have some ideas for a campaign along the lines of 'Group is the test crew for an alternate refit of the Constitution, and their (ultimately futile) attempt to one-up the box nacelles design for the full Starfleet rollout, using pic related.

Thanks to everyone who replied, I've got a ton of characters now, though most of these will be sort of bit players rather than fully fledged plots.

>>54407496
What do you guys think 4chan would look like in the star trek universe. Holy shit the bants would be epic.

>>54425061
Retired EMH Mark 2's would be assigned as moderators.

>>54425107
Kek. Pol would be epic though

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>>54424915
>>54424986

That's awful.

Especially since Christmas cake lasts for ages because of the high alcohol content. At least the way I/my family makes it...

I quite like competing design projects. Particularly the SFM did them nicely, such as the more 'conventional' yet not ship line that was built as a competitor to the Constitution but mostly ended up filling the gap because of project delays for the Constitution being too bleeding-edge. It's nice to see design compromises in ships, makes them more believable rather than all the can do everything super vessels. Also ship designs that are sort of failures but still went into service any way.

>>54425132
>Also ship designs that are sort of failures but still went into service any way.
Like the "we need three chief engineers and the ship still explodes at least twice a season but we're keeping it going anyway because sunk cost fallacy" Galaxy-class.

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>>54425132
Like the curry class?

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>>54425194

Oh come on...

>>54413224
>picard stabber
noice

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>>54425061
/tg/ would be interesting. I mean with super-fast intercontinental travel and a lot of free time, it's possible that groups could actually meet up, and the board would probably be one of the busiest given the resurgence of pastimes that require thinking, creativity and other people.

>>54425157
Sort of, more the "it took 20 odd years to get into service because we kept trying to make it do everything the best we can but that had problems and then it turned out to be not that great an idea anyway even though we actually succeeded in doing all that".

>>54425194
If that thing actually had a proper cargo pod instead of just a flipped Excelsior hull I would like it. Unused kitbash from DS9 related. But holy crap were DS9's kitbashed ships so much worse than the TNG ones.

>>54425284
But where is Spacu Dandy-san?

>>54418707
Telepaths are objectively bad counselors. You end up far more guarded and defensive around someone like that, since you feel more vulnerable around someone who could just open up all your problems whether you like it or not. Which is why Troi was a failure as both a Betazoid and a counselor. And anything, really.

>>54420783
did you mean: the Ark Royal before the autism set in?

>>54425420
I honestly hate saying this but I don't know the Ark Royal reference. Help me on this one?

>>54425353
Troi really wasn't qualified for much of anything. She got her position because her mother was a big time Federation Ambassador and her father was Starfleet. Straight up nepotism.

>>54425284
TOS swap with Bebop, OldBSG swap with TAS, Futurama swap with RD, and I'll accept.

>>54425452
It was a potentially fun little side setting to Star Trek based on a big Excalibur class Star Fleet ship that the brass used as a holding box for mavericks and oddballs.

Barclay was Chief Engineer.

Space Suit Dave was innatubes.

Then someone had to put in their 300 year old but only look 18 katana wielding super sword skilled Japanese sisters and it went downhill from there. There is a 1d4chan page.

>>54425985
Thanks. Also, Reg being chief engineer? Fuck yeah! I would have him help me with all my holodeck wants/needs.

>>54418707
Spock had enough problems of his own - daddy issues, bullied for being mixed-race (literally). Plus, it's not like the guy was approachable...
>>54425061
/sp/ would be ruined with douchey Parrises Squares generals

>>54425985
>Then someone had to put in their 300 year old but only look 18 katana wielding super sword skilled Japanese sisters and it went downhill from there.
Seriously it wasn't even the best anime to cross over with Trek. That would have been Evangelion. I imagine Q looking at Rei (or to a lesser extent the other pilots) and running away screaming.

>>54426074
/asp/ would have Dabo, Chula, 3D chess and more.

>>54426074
Is Tongo a sport or a traditional game?

>>54426220
Yes

>>54426220
Traditional game when played with Ferengi. Contact sport when played with Klingons.

>>54426141
>"PLAY DOM-JOT, HYU-MON"
>734 replies and 451 images omitted. Click here to view.

>>54427224
Pakledposting on /o/.
>we need things to make us go

>>54427300
I would just imagine people shitposting on pol with We wuz prophets n'shieet with pictures of bajorans.

>>54427362
AYO HOL' UP
>*bombs temple*
YOU IS SAYIN
>*sabotages mines*
THAT WE
>*attacks labor camp*
WUZ
>*opens the fire caves*
PROPHETS
>*joins the Maquis*
N SHIET?

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>>54427362
"How could there be war crimes, when there wasn't any war."

>>54427514
Kek. But are the Bajorans supposed to be space jews rather than sterotypical space blacks?

>>54425194
>>54425241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7_RqRn910
If she isn't named the "Plutonium Nyborg," I will be sorely disappointed...

>>54427737
Space Balkans inhabitants more than anything else.

>>54427637
Probably one of the very best episodes of any series.

>>54427362
>A bunch of people LARPING as Terra Prime or the Terran Empire
>Cardassians posting about being culturally enriched by the Dominion
>Bajorans talking about how they have a deep and rich history
>Australians still routinely banned for shitposting
>conspiracy theories about the illuminati trying to stop first contact by destroying the Bozeman launch site

>>54425061
Well it wouldn't be 4chan, for starters. Japan is now part of the Federation monoculture so we'd need to fetishise the art of another species. I'm guessing Klingons. Meaning Dax is a total weeb. The site would be called 4be'Hom and the Duras sisters would be my be'nala.

>>54429212
Guess so m8.
>>54429110
No, it would be Lunar shitposters, and maybe there are constant threads about why future pol does not like interspecies relationships.

Anyways, thank you for the ideas I plan on making this a thread sometime in the future.

>>54420394
The bigger issue with the Oberth is that the lower and upper parts of the hull are both apparently habitable, but aren't connected in any way other than the nacelle struts (which seem to thin to fit a turbolift in there).

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>>54429922
The way those struts are mounted though, they're not really there to support the nacelles, which are on top of the flat area the saucer is on top of.

Still awkward though with the lift travelling diagonally.

>>54430038
To be fair, with artificial gravity the lift can travel whatever way it wants.

>>54430220
I was about to say that too. We've seen pylons have people in them (thanks to windows and what not) so having a turbolift in them should be no issue.

Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>54431223
Nor did he do anything right though.

>>54431223
>>54431256
Cardassian pride galaxy wide!

>>54431256
>BIDF please go

>>54431286
>>54431256
>>54431223
Hope you Cardies enjoy sucking shapeshifting Founder cock.

>>54431223
Other than putting himself before the state. That's kind of a big thing to Cardassians.

>>54431305
Joke's on you, I'm Starfleet who doesn't give a shit about your backwater.

>>54431339
>>54431305
Hahahaha pieces of Bagtagh I am a warrior in the Klingon Defense forces who cannot care about ypur """""fleet""""" you know as far as I am concerned it was my people dying during the dominion war while you stayed there on your ships like the honourless pansies you are and crying about your fee fees to your betazed counselor while I was tearing Jem hadar in half.

>>54431339
thats what (((they))) want you to believe, good hew-mon

>>54431381
Fucking ferengi scum, swear to god I hate them so much, I believe you cucks will gladly watch as your women are impregnated by big klingon dicks.

>>54431380
Look! It's a defenseless colony of Tribbles! Go nuts!

>>54431381
But aren't you the (((they))) my good merchant friend?

>>54427737
Ferengi are space Jews. They're tiny, nebbishy, big-eared, big-nosed space merchants with overbearing mothers and an almost comical lust for money. Bajorans are more like Space Koreans with the Cardassians being Space Imperial Japanese.

>>54431429
>being this insecure over a race that hasn't been able to into technology since fucking kirk
feddie manlet detected

>>54431380
>be Klingon
>fight everybody
>die in the millions
>get led by idiots into more wars
>act surprised when the Empire's infrastructure and agriculture collapses

Just give up and join the Federation already, Klingon.

>>54431256
He saw opportunities for a better tomorrow and he took them.
It's not his fault that literally the entire way his universe works goes against what is sensible and instead supports idealism.
He did he best he could, but besides the prohepets and q, who knows how many multidimensional beings are moving behind the scenes to keep this charade of a world up as their art project?

>>54431380
See, replicated pasta never tastes quite as good as the real thing.

>>54431760
He was a decent Gul. But he was too much of a narcissist to make it as a national leader. The Cardassians were better off with Damar. A drunkard and a womaniser, but a patriot that knew the difference between being masters in their own house and favourite slaves of the Dominion.

>>54432116
Should he have been assassinated?
During DS9 there were multiple opportunities to correct the failures of past attempts

See, my Andorian wife and I decided to help rehouse a nausicaan refugee. They're not as bad as everyone thinks - she seems to like him very much.

>>54432177
I feel like both the Obsidian Order and Central Command wanted him dead but killing him outright would have caused too much of a scene, particularly as he had a decent amount of influence.

>>54425132
>that computer core
I don't think it ever hit me before how expensive Starfleet ships must be.

>>54433343
5-6 decks tall and as wide as the bridge is pretty typical for star fleet ships of any size. And they typically have 2 or 3 on the big ships.

They've got a lot of computing to do at all times, even if a lot of it is distributed, local stuff.

>>54433497
It's pretty reasonably sized compared to modern datacenters too.

>>54433343
>>54433497
All that computer power and it still self-destructs when Kirk tells it to calculate pi

>>54434331
It can hold 50 decaquads of isolinear teraflops though. Whatever that actually means.

>>54433343
>I don't think it ever hit me before how expensive Starfleet ships must be.
The energy credit cost of ships in STO is just how much the legal work costs to get a ship assigned.

>>54424006
I always wondered what Starfleet was doing with that Klingon ship, especially at that point in the time line.

>>54434945
Probably the same things we used to do with all the Migs at Groom Lake.

>>54434963
Fair point.

>>54434963
???

>>54435064
We reverse engineer and test them to better understand enemy technology and get first hand experience of capabilities and limitations.

>>54435064
>>54435097
You can even spot some of the older ones that weren't shuffled off into to museums in the Air Force boneyard.

>>54435097
I figured but I looked it up, saw "test squadron," and wondered whether we actually flew the damn things.

>>54434945
>he doesn't joy ride over Federation worlds dressed up as TOS Klingons in D7s to fuck with the locals
Worst mothballs curators ever. Hell, I've made that a plot point in my games.

>>54435133
Aaaand we have another candidate for >>54410223

>>54435116
Oh yeah, some of the Nevada UFO sitings were actually captured Soviet planes.

>>54435155
Both of them are from the same poster.

>>54435177
I should follow that up with, that's something my players did, to my complete and utter shock. I was laughing so hard I couldn't continue playing for a good ten minutes.

>>54436067
They were so sexy.

>>54436174
I find the production model aggravating to look at.

This pre-production design, so much better.

>>54436067
Looks like a horseshoe crab.
I like it.

>>54436067
Best ship is still best ship.

>>54436067
Only tweak I would make is a little bit of hull across the top of the nacelles so there is a clear, visible access route to the pod. Wouldn't even spoil the lines to make it so.

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The bridge and the spherical part just below seems pretty TOS with that smoothness and those windows.

>>54437684
It's just so...wrong. I don't understand how something so aesthetically displeasing could make it out of drafts, let alone into production.

>>54437707
>>54437684
My only objection is the gaps in the saucer section. The triangular body is fine, there's no reason not to use solid hull instead of just struts, as the Klingons demonstrate with their designs.

Honestly it looks like a Klingon drive section mated to a Federation saucer, and back when we first saw the old design I thought that it might've been some sort of joint project before relations between the Federation and Klingons fell apart, presumably during the course of the show

>>54437713
Me either. Pretty sure not only is it fucking with the established aesthetic in so many ways, its not following good guidelines for proportions and positioning of elements. It is so... Kids drawing of what they think would be a cool ship. The holes in the saucer just look retarded, the angular secondary hull clashes hard with the curved parts, very little flows together in terms of the important lines of the ship. I hate it on a very considered level.

>>54434452
needs bullshit absorbing crumple zones

>>54443446
Is this some fan film or something?

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>>54444632
Nah just some forum collaborative story telling thing, that somehow got someone competent invested who works on the character portraits, pin-ups and ship art.

Actually some really good stuff, at least graphically, I came across it looking for pictures of ship interiors.

>>54444745
Theurgy is kinda fanwank, but at least they have fun with it, so I can't give them too much of a hard time.

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>>54444959
It's fanwank that's produced some decent quality images so whilst I'll probably never read it, I'll enjoy the pictures. You never know, might get some character inspiration out of them.

>>54445942
That's the sexiest spoonhead I've ever seen.

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>>54445958
the other picture of the character I can't post on a blue board..

All these pics though have really cemented the First Contact onwards uniform as 2nd best (WoK era is first of course ) for me, I don't think I've seen anyone look bad in them in the way that colour clashes can be had in more typical star trek bright colour uniforms often do. Everyone still looks pretty respectable in them.

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>>54446138
This one?

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>>54446240
No, the even more not-worksafe one due to the distinct lack of clothing.

>>54445958
If Garak played D&D would he be a spoony bard?

>>54446372
Yes. Yes he would.

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First attempt at a long range transport based on one of the old Excelsior concepts using Ambassador and Miranda parts.
Thoughts?

>>54446969
I don't like the "ribbed for her pleasure" look of the top one but the bottom one looks a little odd too. What if you just straightened the neck of the top one?

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>>54447010
The bottom one is just this old thing.

I'll get rid of the quad Miranda hull for the top one.

>>54446969
Looks like discoveryprise the next generation edition.

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>>54446969
Did it for you already. This looks better to me, but hey, different stroke for different folks I guess

>>54447124
I still like the detachable module look better:
>>54425306

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>>54446969
>>54447124

As long as it can hold bulk cargo container tubes on the underside I'd be happy. Internal bays only = nice but not enough.

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>>54447061
That can't really be helped.

>>54447346
That was the idea. Lots of big cargo containers would go on the top and bottom. Also why I wanted the reinforced hull bit running the length of the ship.
Shuttle bays would be to the sides so that their flight path wouldn't be obstructed by the added modules. I'm looking at you Nebula class.

>>54447632
You do realize you're reinventing the Constellation class right?
>many shuttlebays
>Miranda parts
>four nacelles
If anything I'd make the engineering hull thicker to provide a bigger warp core and fusion reactors. The Constellation was overworked and underpowered even without external modules.

>>54447874
The Constellation doesn't have enough capacity unfortunately. I needed a ship that can haul more than a Galaxy class. External modules will help a lot in that regard.

>If anything I'd make the engineering hull thicker to provide a bigger warp core and fusion reactors.
I'll try to do this.

>>54447632
I like it. I feel like I've seen familiar looking designs but either way, good use of the model.

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>>54446294
Could you spoon out the evidence on that one?

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So me and some friends were looking into doing a starship combat game, I was wanting to choose between the FASA Starship Tactical Combat Simulator series and the Amarillo Star Fleet Battles/Federation Commander series. Has anyone played both and can give me a good overview of the differences between them and the + and -'s of each?

>>54437684
>>54437707
I think what bothers me the most is that it has 2-3 times the internal volume of the Constitution. Its possible to justify an older ship being bigger, but it just doesn't feel right.

>>54434688
>EC cost of ships
>ships
>EC
what did he mean by this? although for the t1 to t5 ships, if I enlisted in Starfleet and got assigned doing admin for new starships,
I'd want to be paid in dilithium too.

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>>54449312
No idea about FASA's game but I'll always recommend the A Call To Arms: Star Fleet game over old SFB for people who are not hardcore into ship management during battle. Or just want a game that's way simpler to get into and play whilst still getting that star trek feel to fights. Or started playing wargames within the past 20 years and have certain expectations as to how things work.

>>54449022
Look up the artist (in the image names) on deviantart for more.

>>54435064
>>54435097
>>54435113
Considering how poor ivan's tech was at the time (as opposed to now, where the now-weakened kremlin decided to get into an even bigger dick-measuring contest with the US), I'd say just for dissimilar combat training. So, the latter, mostly. [/polk]

>>54449729
Dunno, I don't play STO. But there has to be some sort of economics involved in star ship creation even once replicators are available.

I suspect that the most expensive parts directly would be the computer systems and the warp engine/nacelles. Hull materials are probably fairly cheap but all those emitters of various kinds, the field coils in the nacelles, the energy cost involved in creating anti-matter (or siphoning it from an alternate universe or whatever they do) and the equipment needed to store it, all that has got to be very time and energy intensive to create, let alone design.

Dilithium, whilst rare, has got to have dropped in value once the re-crystallisation process was developed. And can't cost all that much to mine either.

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>>54449770
>No idea about FASA's game but I'll always recommend the A Call To Arms: Star Fleet game over old SFB for people who are not hardcore into ship management during battle. Or just want a game that's way simpler to get into and play whilst still getting that star trek feel to fights. Or started playing wargames within the past 20 years and have certain expectations as to how things work.

I mentioned the FASA and Amarillo games because I played Attack Wing and I was way too simple. I am not asking for something stupidly complicated, like managing Federation 1040 tax forms while in combat, but a game where we just run towards each other, roll dice and that's it is boring as fuck and doesn't have any actual tactics or strategy.

>>54449937
*it was way too simple.*

>>54437684
>>54437707
>>54438589
>the further you get from the bridge, the less TOS-y it gets.
Realising this was more of a disappointment than the design itself desu

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>>54449937
ACTA: Star Fleet Battles is probably the one for you then. It's on Wargame's Vault these days for the updated version. ADB sells the miniatures as well as their older regular star fleet battles models. The ACTA ones are bigger and nicer.

>>54449890
>But there has to be some sort of economics involved in star ship creation even once replicators are available.
Antimatter can't be replicated, IIRC. Most of the remaining industrial base of the Federation goes to antimatter, dilithium, and various hipster handmade crap that's not technically any better than what replicators make but has value via scarcity.

>>54450060
I just looked into the game. Seems again to be too "simple", plus I want a game with movie-era kirk ships and next generation ships

>>54443446
>The Urgy
She gives me The Urgy

>>54450267
Well you ain't gonna get any easy to get TMP/TNG era ships/games outside of Attack Wing, the only option for that is 3d printed/garage casting miniatures and customised/home-brewed rule sets.

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>>54450638
Well here's my plan: I will buy and use the Eaglemoss miniature ships, and I will go out and get/make my own boards and sheets if I need to. I'm just deciding on which game to use as the rule set, and then the hardest part is making up attributes for each ship if they do not already exist in that game

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>>54450294
I comprehend your statement.

>>54452205
If this design were about 50% the size I'd really like it. As it is it seems excessively large and the lack of anything in the middle seems wrong. Needs texturing too.

Fitting though for the era.

>>54451624
>Hillary Duff as a Dominion War era Trill science lieutenant
YES PLEASE.

>>54452723
I'm pretty sure it's just the inner ring up through ops of DS9 retro'fied and with the scale monkeyed with.

>>54451624
HHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG

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>>54425284
>http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html

anybody got the actual play test ?

also

enterprise >= voyager.

(personally cannot enjoy voyager).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COJuF7n9gGA

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>>54452805
>>54452807

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>>54448449
>I feel like I've seen familiar looking designs
Maybe you're thinking of this one?

>>54453722
That's the thing!

>>54453722
Best ship in that game, sexy as hell.

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You guys are gonna sit here posting Theurgy art but not post the ship itself

>>54454085
It looks kinda like a Vesta with extra nacelles.

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>>54454085
Not much of a fan of it desu. It's ok I guess. I don't like the split into multiple ships ala the Prometheus gimmick.

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>>54454085
>Vesta
>Not a modified Prometheus

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I think the most interesting part of the Theurgy design is the Positronic Brain A.I. that runs the ship

>>54454489
Okay, so "Theurgy Ascent" in >>54454085 filename wasn't for nothing.

>>54453164
Do you mean does anyone have the rules? I got them but not on this computer. They seem solid enough but I wish there was a little more crunch and less fluff (char gen doesn't even really begin until page 100)

Also, DS9>TNG>ToS>AS>ENT>VOY

This may change depending on Discovery...

>>54446138
I enjoy the ENT costumes too. It's really FC ~= WoK ~= ENT >>>> everything else for me.

>Tupac
>Tuvok
Coincidence?!

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>>54454725

>>54449312
At first I mistook this for a shitty amateurish photoshop.
Man, special effects have come a long way.

Current ideas for TOS era Star Trek: Adventures oneshots

>"Sword in The Stone"
>Players are construction crew aboard the USS Excalibur, which is being built at Axanar. When the Klingons make a surprise attack ahead of schedule, the players have to get the Excalibur closed up and running as quickly as possible - while a Klingon Battlecruiser is bearing down on their construction yard(which is in an asteroid) and the larger Battle of Axanar rages in the inner system

>"The Doomsday Affair"
>After the USS Constellation and Enterprise destroy the Doomsday Machine, the players' ship, the USS Copernicus, is the first science vessel to arrive to study its empty shell. With the possibilities of that much neutronium and a pure antiproton beam weapon on hand, the Romulans break their traditional isolation and send a ship to investigate, leading the players into a game of cat and mouse as both sides try to learn about the Doomsday Machine's hulk.

>"Skies and Hearts of Grey"
>The players are tasked with establishing first contact with the Cardassian Union, rumors of its existence having reached the Federation over the last few years. This is prompted by a Federation-flagged freighter having gone missing near where Cardassian space is supposed to be. The players are tasked with negotiating the release of the Federation ship and its crew as well as establishing peaceful first contact, but there are indications of a third party at work who wants to see the two at war.

Would you play these, /stg/?

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>>54454521
Reminds me a lot of ye olde GTD Perseus.

>>54455160
>Would you play these, /stg/?

Yes.

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>>54455160
I'd play those even without the potential for violent conflict. Sounds fun.

>>54455160
Keeping in mind that pre-TNG cardassians were a spiritual but extremely poor people with strong family-tribal values. Also TOS era, the Bajoran were at their most active in space

>>54455160
One more
>Tarnished Mirror
>A few months after the USS Enterprise bridge crew returns from a brutal alternate dimension, a team from Starfleet Temporal Investigations replicates the transition with the intent of undoing the contamination by the Enterprise crew. They find the Terran Empire irrevocably changed by Bearded Spock's influence, and have to decide whether to try to undo the contamination or simply write that universe off and return it to their own time.

>>54455400
Why would Temporal Investigations be involved in a Mirror Universe adventure? Even in the 2260s, their canonically most active period, where actual time travel was going on, the Mirror Universe isn't part of their mandate. Also, the events that led to the Enterprise crew translating across the universes was nearly unreplicable.

>>54455495
1: They initially class it as an alternate timeline. It's only after they realize the true nature of the setting that they realize this isn't their job in the first place.
2: No explanation there...

>>54455495
>Also, the events that led to the Enterprise crew translating across the universes was nearly unreplicable.
Didn't they replicate it all the damn time in DS9? Or did they specifically need some kind of wormhole energy or better tech than TOS, I don't really remember those episodes.

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>>54407496

>>54455160
I would in a heartbeat, especially the Sword in the Stone. That just sounds awesome.

>>54455594
Except the DoTI's mandate is to (at the time) prevent people from time traveling willy nilly along with an Admiral who wanted to explore up and down time, not get involved in alternate timelines.

>>54455830
The first one was made through the Wormhole, the rest were made by the Mirror Universe replicating the process. None of them were made by the Prime universe, IIRC.

>>54455830
Better tech than TOS. Interdimensional transporters were only available on the Mirror side(At first) and were a recent invention. Plus, after the events of Mirror Mirror, the Mirror universe redesigned all their transporters to the original incident couldn't happen again.

>>54455854
I was trying to give them titles that sounded like TOS episodes. Putting the USS Excalibur inside an asteroid construction base was just too good to resist.

Also, I've suddenly picked up a group of interested players who want a week-by-week campaign, so I've decided to make it the adventures of the USS Excalibur before the events of TOS. Naturally I'll contrive to get the players off it before the events of The Ultimate Computer, if the game lasts that long.

>>54455904
They can be on the Excalibur A!

>>54455943
Well yeah, except Axanar has to be way before TOS. Probably the campaign will end before the events of the original series. I just have to get it going before Discovery comes out so I don't have to worry about that.

>>54455896
Between what you said and shifting the whole thing to be pre-TOS era, I'm going to drop this idea

>>54456043
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot it down. Coming at it from the Temporal Investigations angle was the only thing that confused me.

>>54456000
Could just say "fuck it" and set the main thrust of the game far from wherever the fuck all the shit in Discovery/ToS is. Does ToS even reference Axanar? I don't remember it. And if all else fails do what the greats do - Retcon!

>>54456287
"Whom Gods Destroy", anon. Should probably watch it.

>>54456340
I've seen every episode of star trek, every series (including the animated series), I'm just not perfect on memory recollection is all (oh to be Data or Spock...). I will check it out again though. That's the one with the insane criminals right?

>>54455839
_____Oh my~!_____

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Ezri, I love you, but what the fuck

>>54458622
>loving ezri
They should have kept Dax off DS9 S7 so the episodes wasted developing her character could have went to making the season better.

>>54458644
No they should've made a season 8 so the show could end with Bajor entering the Federation rather than just the end of the war.

>>54456617
Yep. Garth of Izar, who served at Axanar.

>>54458644
>hating Ezri
Your opinion have no value whatsoever.

>>54458644
They only should have just skipped the whole jungle sex stuff. The Ezri Goes Home ep was the only real episode that was "wasted" just on her, though they did waste a lot of time (and a lot of people's hair, being pulled out) on resolving the Worf-Jadzia-Ezri garbage. I can see her going to rescue Worf, because that's what Dax would do (and it gives her something to do), but the whole relationship thing was resolved already, and then they brought it back.

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USS Excalibur-anon here. spent five hours tonight actually buckling down and learning STA's system. Feel confident enough to run a campaign.

Is Attack Wing even still alive?

>>54459339
I think the first session/sessions will be the Battle of Axanar, and then we'll timeskip a year or so to the war having resolved and the Excalibur launching on its first Five Year Mission - with the players having been kept on as the bridge crew after their success in a pinch at Axanar.

>>54453722
>Ark Royal: In the Beginning...
Just a bunch of pre-Federation officers and MACOs who REALLY hate Romulans, left to their own devices so long as they don't start a war...

If I'm reading this right, in STA, starship weapons roll d20s for how much damage they do, but once you've stripped shields, you only need to roll over the target's Resistance, and no matter how much you roll, you only inflict one Breach per hit. Is that right?

>>54453722
I didn't much like the HEUG ships that each of the factions got around then in the game series. They made the cruisers (Connie and D7) much weaker players overall.

>>54459352
Really depends on your local gaming store. Mine has Attack Wing tournaments/free plays on Fridays, alongside the Star Wars ship miniature games and a couple of other ship tactic games.

X-Wing and Armada tend to be more popular. But every time that I've gone I've found at least 3 other people that want to play a few games of Attack Wing, either because they like the game or because they want to try it out.

>>54458656
There are basically a host of fucked-up legal/contractual reasons why they couldn't reasonably make a season 8 (of any Trek series, not just DS9). The short of it is that, amusingly, Ezri and any character only introduced in season 2 onward would be allowed to be used.

The seven-season thing isn't just something Star Trek writers decided to do. It's something they were legally forced to abide by.

>>54462750
How is it SG1 went for 10 seasons? Richard dean anderson was a regular for 8 of them.
Genuinely curious.

>>54462750
>The seven-season thing isn't just something Star Trek writers decided to do.
It was for TNG

If anyone here could choose to be of any species, what would they be. Personally I want to be either a Klingon, Andorian, or Romulan.

>>54463236
Android

>>54463236
Q

>>54459352
Pretty sure they don't make it anymore. My local game shop doesn't sell it and Games by James only has a couple left that looked to be on clearance when I was there the other day picking up some X-wing minis and Destiny booster packs.

>>54463236
Eugenics wars augmented human

>>54463551
Asshole. We'll Genesis your ass like Kirk did to KHAAAAN!

>>54463236
El-Aurian because insane lifespan and ability to detect temporal bullshit.

>>54463236
Holodeck character because then I can become sentient while still being immortal, utterly fail to comprehend my own existence, throw a fit, and try to take over the ship. Every time.

>>54463657
OH FUCK, IT'S A BACK TO THE FUTURE REFERENCE
>DeLorean
>ElOrean
>El-Aurian

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>>54462750
There's also just that the writers were completely done, having told pretty much all they wanted to with DS9 and wrapped it up as best they could. I think it was Ron Moore that said at best they had maybe a half dozen episode ideas between them that they could have squeezed out.

>>54462874
Different company/production/stuff.

>>54462907
Yeah and holy crap did the quality drop for that one. Though I do put most of that down to a lot of the staff wanting to go work on DS9 or the preparations for Voyager. And Jeri Taylor pulling the dumbest shit:

>"Jeri Taylor took over as showrunner for the final season of the series. One of her first decisions was to put an end to the open-submission process that Piller had put in place for scripts, and focus the writing around a core team of regular staff, with freelancers occasionally invited to make submissions."

That's why it ended up being the series where everyone suddenly has something happening to a relative because the writing team was burning out of ideas HARD. Geordie's Mother, Worf's other brother, Picard's fake son, Crusher fucks a ghost that also fucked her grandmother, Data's Android Mother, Worf's son from the future, Wesley fucks up because Ron Moore tries to make him Jake Sisko for a bit...
Jeri Taylor really fucked up with that one. And kept the fucking up process well into Voyager. The writers constantly getting ideas from outside their own team was one of the big things that made star trek good in the first place imho.

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>>54431223
>Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.

I'm lazy after photoshopping this, someone write the song for me.

>>54464137
No.

>>54464137
In west Cardassia born and raised in the maintenence crew where I spent most of my days when a couple of Bajorans who were up to no good bombed my governance of bajor and tried to assasinate me the detapa council said to me you are being sent back to cardassia and given a position with damar in the back of the bird of prey, and made the fresh prince of Bajor.

>>54464210
What
The
Fuck

That was terrible

>>54464232
That is the point. It is to show how much of a terrible sentient rights record gul dukat had as his time as prefect.

>>54464137
>IN WESTERN CARDASSIA BORN AND RAISED
>IN THE ARMY WAS WHERE I SPENT MOST OF MY DAYS
>CHILLIN' OUT, MAXIN', RELAXIN' ALL COOL
>AND SHOOTING BAJORAN CHILDREN IN THEIR SCHOOLS
>I WON ONE LITTLE FIGHT AND THE GULS GOT SCARED
>THEY SAID "YOU'RE MOVING INTO ORBIT AS THE PREFECT OF BAJOR"
>I GLOATED AND BRAGGED TO MY WIFE DAY AFTER DAY
>THEN SHE PACKED MY SUITCASE AND SENT ME ON MY WAY
>SHE GAVE ME A KISS AND THEN SHE GAVE ME MY TICKET
>I STRAPPED MY PHASER ON AND SAID "MIGHT AS WELL KICK IT"
>LEGATE CLASS, YO THIS IS RAD
>SNORTING COCAINE OFF OF KIRA'S MOM'S ASS
>IS THIS WHAT THE PREFECT OF BAJOR LIVES LIKE?
>HMM, THIS MIGHT BE ALRIGHT
>I CALLED FOR A SHUTTLE AND WHEN IT CAME NEAR
>THE REGISTRY WAS "FRESH" AND THERE WERE DICE IN THE MIRROR
>IF ANYTHING I COULD SAY THIS SHUTTLE WAS RARE
>BUT I THOUGHT NAH, FORGET IT, NOW HOME TO BAJOR!
>I PULLED UP TO THE STATION 'BOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT
>AND I SAID TO THE PILOT "LONG LIVE CARDASSIA!"
>LOOKED AT MY STATION I WAS FINALLY THERE
>TO SIT THERE IN OPS AS PREFECT OF BAJOR!
>[1990s synth outro]

>>54463551
>Eugenics war
>Ignore all of it, instead living the NEET life in parents basement and spending all time on internet
>Parents get sick of your shit and trick you into signing up for the genetic supermen experimentation program
>End up super strong and intelligent but no ambition, still want to spend all your time on the internet
>The Superior Neet
>Considered a program failure
>Sealed in a cryotank
>Centuries later, 24th century
>Starfleet's been moving your cryotank around from facility to facility for so long they don't even know whats inside anymore or where you came from
>Some lazy janitor accidentally breaks your tube seal
>Wake up
>Find yourself in a world of intellectual cowards trying to "better themselves" by reading Shakespeare and pretending they're artists
>They use the greatest masturbation aid ever created to play stupid Sherlock Holmes and Robinhood games.
>No internet
Wat do?

>>54464486
>i don't want to live on these 150 planets anymore

>>54464486
Technically Star Trek does have the internet, it just isn't interplanetary. Of course, this is also a society that uses multiple tablets, rather than just one that multitasks.

>>54464486
Get a job on a frontier starship and become Barclay MkII, spend the rest of my time and superior intellect shitposting on future /pol/ about superior augment master race and how Cardassia did nothing wrong.

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>>54464587
>this is also a society that uses multiple tablets, rather than just one that multitasks.

If I could freely have multiple tablets so as to not have to switch between stuff on a single screen, I would too end up with a pile of them when doing any kind of research or work.

>>54464654
Ditto for RPG gaming, having 8 minimalist tablets with useful resources onscreen would be so much better than fucking around with a laptop or even a dual screen PC.

>>54464486
Either get job on frontier ship at very low rank until you're up to speed

Or

Trip to Klingon space and become a cage fighting celebrity

>>54464486
Steal a ship, conquer the Orion Syndicate, and be neck deep in green pussy for the next 200 years.

>>54464587
>>54464654
>>54464675
Multiple limited-use tablets would also be better for security purposes. This would help explain why we see officers hand in reports and such via PADD rather than just sending them via the computer.

>>54464815
Technically it's because they were using the PADDs as standins for paper reports, rather than computers. The novels do end up using that idea, along with the PADDs having limited wireless capabilities to pass on information.

Of course, the novels also attempt to handwave why TOS looks less advanced than Enterprise by saying that the Romulan highjacking tech meant that Starfleet went for simpler systems with less advanced connections. The "retro" affectation was because the designer REALLY liked Earth's 60s culture.

>>54465023
I always hated that bullshit. I mean earth is clawing its way into the stars after WW3, The augment bullshit, AND the klingon/romulan/andorian wars. They've barely got computers in the first place, let alone the equivalent of modern tech (ignoring ENT because it's shit). Clearly the R&D went into weapons and hull plating and warp drive instead of consumer electronics.

>>54464486
Steal a shuttle go to Ekos, push them into the internet age, install yourself as the power behind the throne, hide in your room and masturbate all day while sending orders via angry text to whomever the current leader is.

>>54463236
Ferengi so I can get me some oo-mak for fun and profit.

I'm about to leave for several hours, but I'd like to collect some thoughts and suggestions for what I'm planning for my group, an adventure set after the fall of the Federation.

Setup, in brief, sometime in the 2550s an invasion force arrived in the Milky Way, which the Federation and other political factions had almost fully explored. They promptly kick everyone in the dick, beat down society, and turn to their greater purpose, strip mining fucking everything, from asteroid belts all the way up to stars.

The adventure would begin roughly 300 years later. The invaders, who never reveal much about their nature, have a hands-off approach. Don't advance your tech beyond certain levels and they ignore you. Get their attention and nobody will ever see you again. The galaxy has fallen into an almost feudal era group of nation states controlling what little they can, but always knowing the invaders could turn up at any moment to start in on their system or systems next.

I want to give my players something of a sandbox. There'll be a plot in mind; determining the nature of the enemy (including shocking revelations as to their identity which I have a few ideas for but nothing yet set in stone), opportunities to repel them, and perhaps, with time travel, actually stop their invasion but at the cost of everything they know. However, I'm fully expectant that I'll be tossing a lot of that out the window. They may want to simply install themselves as traders, go on generic D&D adventures, take over systems, or turn tail and run to another galaxy while chasing down rumors of a lost fleet.

Thoughts in general about the idea? Suggestions?

>>54466288
You're better off running a campaign in any other sci-fi setting. There's literally no reason to put your campaign idea in the Star Trek universe.

>>54466288
So... not star trek?

I mean it's a fine idea, but there's really no point asking here when your idea erases pretty much everything star trek related about the setting.
Traveller might be a good system to use, given Star Trek's ones are heavily based in the setting as a set-up for characters, vessels and so on.

>>54466288
I would suggest giving Andromeda, another Roddenberry sci-fi setting a look. As it suits your needs much more than Trek does.

Does anyone know a good soundboard for TOS-era Star Trek effects? I want to be able to play the appropriate sound for what the players are doing. Main thing I really want are the ship phaser and photon torpedo sounds, the Red Alert klaxon, etc. I'll also have a low-volume loop of the TOS bridge sounds going during the game.

>>54466664
Nvm, rigged one up myself.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwBWo5FzN-KvLTBQZ3NBd0NlbVU

Has a few shipwide alerts, combat sounds, and those musical cues you hear before the cut to commercial

>>54466584
>>54454521
>>54454516
>>54454489
On a side note, is the USS Theurgy a soft reskin of the Andromeda Ascendant?

>>54454418
MVAM is some of the dumbest shit ST has ever done.

>>54467144
It's a logical successor to saucer separation in combat, but yeah, it's dumb.

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>>54466987
Nah, just some vague similarities that could have been gotten from anywhere. Like female-presenting AI for the ship might well have been HALO inspired, or just an extension of the classic Majel Barrett voiced computer.

>>54467144
Agreed.

>>54467144
>>54467194
I see nothing wrong with it. Smaller ships are more agile and spread out the firepower for flanking maneuvers, and if used on an exploration-based vessel, it allows the same ship to cover three times the distance.

>>54467211
Why not just build three smaller ships in the first place? If they all need individual warp cores, shield emitters, impulse drives, and tactical systems, what's the point to ever combining them into one large ship?

>>54467211
>if used on an exploration-based vessel, it allows the same ship to cover three times the distance.
That's what runabouts are for, and why Shuttlebay 1 on a Galaxy is so big. You don't need a cruiser class starship for a basic planetary survey, and it reinforces the "mobile starbase" role for the big fuckers.

>>54467240
Assuming the warp cores are capable of interlocking, combining is more efficient and allows them to bring the combined power to a situation if necessary. Separating provides more flexibility at the cost of efficiency and peak output.

>>54467194
>>54467211

The logic it's build on though of multiple weaker ships > single very strong ship falls apart upon any serious examination of consequences, or just the additional requirements in control, damage control, the sheer maintenance requirements, the need for constructing and operating multiple ships worth of M/AM reactors and nacelles...

It's a solution looking for a problem that's already well covered by just having either a single better ship or bringing multiple independently operating ships.

>>54467144
Yeah. Good episode though.

>>54467211
It's much more efficient to build destroyer tenders, or ya know, carriers.

>>54467339
Won't deny that.

>>54467349
A single Akira class ship with its big ol' shuttlebays full of runabouts > some overengineered bullshit that can split into three parts

>>54467369
Yes, Akira is one of my favorite ship classes.

>>54467349
>>54467369
Carriers are good if you need to send a whole swam of things at a problem, but there are situations that require both the flexibility of multiple starships as well as the ability to pool resources in a way multiple starships cannot do. Granted this is a niche situation, but Starfleet post-Borg seems to be trending more toward a larger number of niche specialist classes instead of having a smaller number of "doing everything" generalist classes like the Galaxy.

>>54467476
10 fighters carrying a single photon torpedo each has the same alpha strike as a Galaxy Class, at 1/1000th the resources. Also, niche specialty ships have never worked well historically. You want to make an Atlanta that can split into 3 Sumner, just build Sumners or an Atlanta.

>>54467592
The historical reason for larger ships was better defenses, since industrial replicator time is cheaper than sentient life. With the "traditional" enemies of the Federation either annexed or in disarray, Starfleet's threat model is basically Transwarp-capable monster species like the Borg or the Voth, against whom standard Starfleet shields are worth dick all. I can see that being analogous to the decline of battleships after WWII.

>>54467634
I was just sitting here thinking about it, and the ST universe really isn't conducive to capitol ship doctrine. I mean, Defiant can fight a ship 20 times its size to a standstill, Miranda carry the same phaser and torpedo types as the Galaxy. The one thing I can think of is that large ships have disproportionate power generation capabilities, giving them the ability to run their shields at higher levels, as well as maximizing the ability to multi shot the phaser arrays. That said, MVAM is still a stupid idea. There's better ways of doing things.

>>54467710
I think the difference is that Starfleet tries really, really hard not to be a military, or at least they did before DS9. The Defiant's technologies can pretty much all be backported to the freaking Excelsior class from 90 years prior. The reason Defiant was so small was because there was none of the other crap a typical Starfleet ship carries, like extensive science labs, roomy quarters, top-notch medical facilities, holodecks, large shuttle and cargo bays, an arboretum...

>>54467786
This, the Defiant only works attached to a larger vessel or station. It has limited food, no cargo space, deeply problematic engineering and maintenance issues and only really has the armaments of a pair of runabouts or a squadron of heavy fighters.

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>>54467710
I quite like that Star Trek keeps things 'small'.

I mean ships typically being 300-500 meters long ain't exactly tiny in reality but compared to most sci-fi it's minuscule.

>>54467835
I also love that Star Trek has a bunch of technologies drive "hard scifi" nerds into a frothing rage.
>inertial dampeners
>structural integrity fields
>grav plating/netting
>warp drive
>transporters
>replicators
>heisenberg compensators
It creates a selective pressure where all the screeching nerds puffing on their inhalers and saying "acshually this wouldn't work because it violates physics" shut up and leaves the setting for people who want to tell stories.

>>54467872
Really, the transporters are the only part that's complete BS. The rest is semi-hard given they have force fields and exotic matter generators.

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>>54467872
Well, it is a nice vehicle for telling stories about people dealing with shit.

>>54455160
>>54455400
Holy shit, yes.

>>54459181
you are fake news

>>54463236
andorian, for the futas

>>54463756
I fucking hate you.

>>54467872
As one of said screeching nerds, I just love Trek for how comfy it feels and the overall design aesthetic and maybe a little bit of Gene's Box being a welcome break from LE EBIN DYSTOPIAN FUTURE memes in "hard scifi"

>>54467872
>>54468795
I'm currently autisticly trying to optimize a nuclear reactor in CoDE, while watching DS9. Some of us can do both.

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>>54468795
>dat spoiler'd text

I agree. A lot.

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Thoughts on this custom starfleet ship? Seems pretty solid, but I want other opinions.

>>54469099
Can't give an accurate opinion without seeing more angles.

>>54469099
Change the nacelle shape up a bit so they aren't giant grains of rice, although I suppose the side view will reveal that sooner or later.

>>54468917
I do too. Star Trek is actually post-dystopian and assumes that we'll come out of radioactive druggie hell better and more humane than we were before

>>54468869
If you can do both you're not who I was talking about. Most trekkies can have a good time with Memory Alpha or beta open in one tab and Project Rho in another. The HARD SCIFI ONRY autists can't.

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>>54469319
And a size comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsYu9jsmlHc

>>54469319
>>54469346

The shaping is good but it is waaaay too big for my tastes. Shrink it to the size of the Galaxy class or thereabouts and I'd be happy with it.

>>54469346
Well you can start by shrinking it by at least a third, maybe even half. Keep in mind the Galaxy class itself was supposed to be a deep space ship capable of doing everything and operating independently without needing to return to starbase for years, if not decades. There should be no reason to have a ship that size for any mission.

>>54469357
Why is there an Akira in half the trailer? Is this more time fuckery?

>>54469357
Still have no idea why I should give a fuck about main character woman as a character.

Or anything else in it for that matter.

>>54469505
I'm just... I'm just not impressed. It just seems too... Much. It fucks with canon more than Enterprise did from the looks of it, from the ship designs, the Klingons, and more. I'll give it a go but I doubt it will last more than two seasons and that makes me sad. Star Trek has a lot of potential but they seem to want to make... I don't honestly know sadly.

>>54469620
It's a political issue. The old Trek standby of "everyone gets along but the FUCKING WHITE MALES from the US and Europe are still pretty much running the show due to competence" is now considered not progressive enough for the studio owners and the agenda they're trying to push, especially considering how pro-American TOS was by their Harrison Bergeron standards. This necessitates temporal fuckery or yet another alternate timeline via executive meddling.

>>54469705
lulwut?

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>>54469767
He's mad because the main character is an alien black woman, completely missing the point of Trek in its entirety.