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First for Ulthuan!

Second for Hotel Lorien.

2nd for Fimir.

So, I've been digging through my old homebrews, and stumbled upon idea I found somewhat original.
>Mournelves
>Former High Elves from a colony on the eastern shore of Old World
>During the War of the Beard and the ensuing chaos, combined with Dark Elves and various locals attacking them from the sea, they lost ties to Ulthuan and pulled inland, into Mountains of Mourn. They came into conflict with Ogres, who became their main enemies.
>During their wars with Ogres they learned about the Sky-Titans and managed to track down the last few remaining. The two races forged a pact and carved a small enclave in the Mountain of Mourn, fighting off attacking Ogres, Cathaians, Marauders Chaos Dwarfs, Skaven and Greenskins.
>They basically are pragmatic and ruthless, but not evil, elves.
>They use firearms (Sky-Titan tech adapted to elf size), tame mountain cats as mounts and combat pets, but are overall less magic-oriented than other elves.
>They have no dragons, but Sky-Titans acts as their extremely pricey (and very powerful) Lords and Rares
>Unlike other elves they have no core bowmen, spearelves or cavalry, but have crossbowmen, pistolier skirmishers and halberdiers (hooked anti-ogre halberds)
>Originally they were supposed to be part of homebrewed Cathai campaign, which would also include Cathai, Hung and Tzeentchian army lists, but I didn't even finish the Mournelves one

Any thoughts?

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5th for SIGMAR'S HEIRS

>>54404379
Just wondering; do you get Minotaur and centigor Gaves as well as the normal 3?

>>54404538
sounds a tad bit mary suish
but I'm not sure if the vibes come from the "elves adapt to another culture and tech" or just the "elves" part

it's interesting, though, and snow elves with prehistoric mounts sound cool

>>54404538
The Mountains of Mourn are a fucking long way to "pull inland" from the eastern shore of the Old World.

>>54404404
How do you fight with a halberd and a longsword at the same time ?

>>54404425
>Fimir are canon now

So stuff like this is canon in WH?

https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/4145006

Or they changed their lore?

>>54404627

Fimir have always been canon, they just shuffled the rape factories under the carpet.

>>54404627
>So stuff like this is canon in WH?
it has always been

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>>54404603
Sufficient points in strength to use both weapons in one hand each.

>>54404538
>War of the Beard
>-2000 to -1600 IC
>Last Skytitan dies
>-2735 IC

Um...

But other than that, blergh.

Drop everything Sky Titan and just use giants, drop the ancient tech angle and you might have something.

>>54404538
Hu snow elves could be cool, especially with some technology. The Mountain of Mourns are a bit far away tough, you should maybe think about some reason for pushing that far.

Also, you should probably balance their technological level, like worry about giving them a "Better than you" fibe if you understand me; especially compared to the Dwarf and Chaos Dwarf.

Maybe dig a little on the Sky-Titans side, maybe the traditional elven magic are now partially forgotten, but they learned some traditional Sky-Titan magic lore, who help them survive in the rude condition of the moutain ?

>>54404603
>implying hes not posing for a painter or a sculptor

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>>54404603
>he didn't play Hilde
Granted his sword is a bit longer and the halberd looks heavier.

>>54404666
No joke, exactly what my Oni character is doing in my current campaign. He is way bigger than a human tough, and as Charismatic than a brick (well less in fact, justification for his low charisma is that people are kinda affraid of him).

>>54404603
>Plant halberd in ground, brace with feet.
>Sword out
>Prepare for cavalry charge

>>54404379
WE look like trans.

>>54404597
>>54404679
okay, what if they dropped Sky-Titans completely (they just live in their ruins)

the black powder tech comes from Cathai, so is inferior to dwarfish one

>>54404603
like Gandalf uses staff and sword in movies
except this staff has a huge axe head

>>54404802
>the black powder tech comes from Cathai, so is inferior to dwarfish one

Why are they using blackpowder tech? If they're being pragmatic, their bows have longer reach, better penetration and a quicker firing rate. Why are they resorting to weapons that are not only objectively worse but also give away their position?

>>54404843
do trees even grow in the Mountains of Mourn?
also, mountain beasts have thick hides, need something stronger than arrows to punch through

>>54404870
I'd wager arrows are easier to make and cheaper to acquire than cathai blunderbuses, blackpowder and shot.

It'd make more sense for them to go Rambo and use the blackpowder to make explosive arrow heads.

>>54404802
Honestly I kinda liked the Sky Titans thing. Depends what you want to do with them, but you can twist the date/lore a little. Not really a major event, nobody will care.

>>54404802
I'm enjoying the idea of snow elves being the ones that got closer to the old ones culture second hand through the sky titans stuff

while the gunpowder itself still irks my autism somehow
how do you feel about a liquid proxy in place of it?
still physical in nature, not magical, just used in a fluid state and maybe less noisy and with more elegant looking exothermic reactions?

also terrorbirds

>>54404791
I was going to say jews, but you may be right too

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>>54404379

I've been thinking of homebrewing Nigmos, any good ideas?

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>>54404425
Rape culture, here we come!

>>54405574
That's why we need to add Amazons over in Lustria to the game to balance it out, and give them bonuses to fighting Fimir.

>>54405479
Who's going to rape who?

>>54405981
Orcs don't have dicks

>>54405996
In old editions they had.

Also I don't know if it is stated that they don't have it now. They don't need it for reproductive purpose but may use dicks in dick length contests or to humiliate opponents by rape or something else that Brit football fans used to do in 80s.

>>54405996
They do have, they just don't use them for sex, but to piss.

>>54406031
How do you know they piss out of dicks and don't just have a small opening?

>>54406046
I don't recall the name, but there was a short story in which a human saw orcs pissing. Hopefully I don't remember it wrong.

So what's the story behind amazons? Are they norscan women that start worshipping pepes? Were they always there?

In 8th, it's stated that when you charge you need to bring the maximum amount of enemies into combat. So does that mean if a 5 wide unit charges a ten wide unit, it needs to finish its charge so 7 enemies are engaged with corner to corner touching rather than 6 if it wasn't lined up 1 to 1.

Or simpler, if a grand master charges a unit of minotaurs, does he have to end up in contact with two or just one? If he has to bring the max number of models into combat it would seem he has to touch two and open himself up to being attacked by both and two sets of supporting attacks.

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>>54406189
I think both have been mentioned in different editions/places.

It could always be that they are something set up by the Slann, immortal jungle women that sometimes fight the lizardmen or sometimes worship them, who also happen to recruit women they come across as well to boost their ranks most notably female norscans that came across with the explorers on their longboats.

There doesn't seem to be a clear reasoning behind if they help or murder forigeners either, but they are more more antagonistic towards outsiders than they are lizardmen.

They had a mercenary regiment of renown too.

>>54406189
Humans that got uplifted by the old ones.
Have love/hate relation with the pepes. Norse kinda respect them and are somewhat freaked out by them. Everyone else is just freaked out.

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WHENS

KROAK?!

>>54406672
>The Dead Outside And Inside DLC
>Eltharion, Kroak

>when people say "But character X is dead, he can't be in TW:WH"
WHFB is dead but its totally in TW:WH and nobody has a problem with that

So, apparently in the mists of time, back in 6th edition there was a White Dwarf article about making your own Knightly Order, and you could shake up the Lance&Shield formula with morningstars, pistols, etc.

Would anyone happen to have that doc on-hand? Supposedly it was in WD 310.

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>>54404379
First for embracing the light.

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>>54405996
>Implying that you need a dick to rape someone.

>>54406836
>>The Dead Outside And Inside
>>Eltharion, Kroak
>not oldest High Elf

>>54406324

>Chance to have army of delicious brown musclegirls
>Fuck it up with boring blonde bikini baboes.

YOU HAD ONE JOB GW

>>54406031
>implying they don't have dicksquigs

>>54407502
Games Workshop doesn't care about Black People

>>54406189

Like everything in Warhammer there's multiple explanations.

I think really they're a female tribe of Norscans who were shipwrecked but their own creation myth may be that they believe they were created by the Old Ones, like the mythological Amazons who were supposed to be created by the Gods.

>>54407537

The only good thing they've ever done.

>>54404379
Has Total Warhammer been cracked yet, and if so where would I investigate a download of it?

>>54407537
They painted stormcast and cultists black and there is afro sigmarite priest.

>>54407642
Just buy it faggot.

Personally I'm waiting for the point when all these games and their expansions are compiled into a single release, and they've worked out the crossover of them (including getting rid of the "regional occupation system")

>>54407493
Caledor should come with an issue of White Dwarf.

>>54404379

Everything with this image is good... then you see the Witches faces.

>>54407700
>Just buy it faggot.

Nah, not after Total War 2, not again.

>>54407735
Dude, the game has been out for over a year. Its good, there's no nasty surprises.

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Old Bones is free update for TWW1.

>>54407841
Look like Kremmler finaly found Krell

>>54407232
It's in the pastebin, faggot.

>>54407841
POST KRELL

>>54407735
>Total War 2
rome?

>>54407841
BY ULRIK'S WILL!

Someone was asking about good vampires the other thread, and I want to bring up Ushoran. Well, before he got fucked over. He may not have actually been good, but he knew it was better to be loved than feared.

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Are there sexy witches in WH world or it's all dried out crones with chaos mutations?

>>54407485
I don't think Orcs understand the concept of rape.

They might horribly torment a squishy lesser being for passing amusement or eat someone, but they aren't aren't going to fuck you with a choppa

>>54407735
>preordering a tw:rome sequel with no functioning family tree along with other features
>preordering any game at all

yeah good job mate

>>54408543
Well, Slannesh witches, duh. Also Dark Elf bitches.

The Amazon priestesses are pretty hot too, but there's a good chance they are going to either sacrifice you or lead you into a battle to the death against other jungle invaders.

>>54404870
There are some pine trees in the lower slopes that are very prized for being tough enough to make clubs out of.

>>54408593
I forgot that Kislev is literally ruled by sexy snow witches.

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>>54406189
Can I just dump this for everyone's education?

>>54408622
Most of them actually grow old as part of their magical shit, actually. Katarina seems to be the odd unexplained exception.

It's Bretonnia that has sexy not!elf women that are never seen to get old and are actually known for being rather promiscuous.

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>>54408626

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Will Albion get a gameplay mention in Total Warhammer? The Truthsayers and their giants?

I mean if Fimir get to be in the game then...

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>>54408682

>>54408649
Katarina's Ice magic is so powerful she is perfectly preserved.

She created an entire wing of the Kislev palace made out of ice by her will alone.

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>>54408649
>It's Bretonnia that has sexy not!elf women that are never seen to get old and are actually known for being rather promiscuous
Who the fuck are you talking about?

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>>54408649

You are mixing them with Hag witches. Ice witches don't grow older by magic. It's more like cold magic preserves them.

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>>54408733
Morgiana le Fay.

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>>54408715
That is very clearly a power sword she is holding

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>>54408752

>>54408698

After Norsca everything is possible.

>>54408698
Considering that Albion is the not!Britain of the setting and that both GW and Total War are british I'm actually really surprised that the isle isn't availible in the game.
With that being said there is already a gameplay mention of it in Total War: Hammer in the form of the "A Stranger Comes"-decision.

>>54408649
>promiscuous
Art thou talking shit about mine waifu, knave?

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>>54408783

>>54408775
Which is one single person and only an elf if you bring End Times lore into this, which you shouldn't do.

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>>54406099

No problem.

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>>54408733
Prophetesses and Damsels. Seriously, they are some of the few women mentioned at all in Bretonnian fluff, how can you not figure it out?

>>54408804
I'm saying that your waifu likes dick and is willing to go out and get it, instead of having to wait until she gets married off like every other Bretonnian frogwife.

>>54408698
Don't forget their summoned monsters
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenbeast

>>54408865
WFRP named her elf too. There is also hint in 6E Wood Elves armybook that some of elven emissaries left to live in Bretonnia.

>>54408795
I imagine that if the fluff continued the Empire and Brets and Dorf (Germany, Franks, Eastern Europe) would defeat the Chaos invasions (Mongols, Huns), but they'd need a lot of time to recover, so Albion (Britain) suddenly rises as the Old World's strongest naval power and two hundred years later becomes the world's superpower, Great Albion.

>>54408896
If they are born in Bretonnia they can't be elves.

>>54408896
Bretonnian women are like women anywhere, anon, they still like sex and will find ways to have it, same as men.

Brionne is famous for its fascination with courtly romances that frequently get illicitly hot and heavy.

>>54408766
This. Hag Witches can actually appear as crones even as children or teens, a hideous and uncanny effect that shows the spirits are particularly concerned with them.

Ice Witches grow more beautiful with age and power, and while they have a period of (theoretically) mandatory celibacy, eventually they're allowed to do what they will with whom they will (and they do). Realm of the Ice Queen notes that Ice Witch wives, mistresses, and confidants riddle Kislev's Gospodarin power structure, probably not unlike the way of Damsels or even Lahmian vampires.

The catch is that Ice Witches, like most wizards, are affected by their magic as much as they effect it. They tend to be distant, cold, unaffectionate, unsympathetic, etc.

>>54408766
Goddammit they NEED to add a Lore of Ice to this game along with Kislev units, much more important than fleshing out Norsca.

>>54407841

KELL MY OLD FRIEND

>>54408543
Kislevite Ice Witches
Dark Elf sorceresses
High and Wood Elf spellbitches
Light lore College sorceresses
Slaaneshi sorceresses

>>54408549
>I don't think Orcs understand the concept of rape.

Goblins, on the other hand, do.

>>54409140

They are leaving them for WH3. They will need a major "good" human nation in the East.

>>54409170

Yeah. And I imagine they love raping captured humans with white hot iron things.

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>>54408626
Can you dump some stuff from the Albion campaign while you're at it?

Truthsayers would actually fit together with the Lizardmen in some ways, seeing as they both serve the will of the Old Ones.
Kind of like Amazons but more benign and focused, instead of being barbarians the Truthsayers lead a people made up of barbarians, druids and giants (which would make a pretty fantastic army)

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>>54409406
I'm afraid I've got nothing for you anon, sorry.

>>54409406

I wish they'd made Albion more Saxon than Celtic.

>>54409157
>High and Wood Elf spellbitches
>no bitchy high elf waifu who slowly begins to love you as you go on an adventure with her.
jdimsa

>>54409456
Saxons are lame

Picts for life

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>>54408543

Wizards come in all forms.

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>>54409508

U w0t

>>54408626
>>54408682
>>54408703
>>54408715
>>54408752
>>54408783
>>54408811

Cheers, saved.

>>54409533
Is she meant to be a wizard of the lore of the heavens?

>>54409157
Don't forget College of Fire casters, one of the few others that lets in women along with Amber and Jade.
Those guys don't care what your gender is as long as you understand how fuckin' rad it is to be able to blow up everything with fire, basically.

Actually I think Realms of Sorcery says they have some kind of in-College prophecy about a staggeringly powerful fire sorceress.

>>54408959
Except Albion is kinda of a shithole and is under lizardman control; also they are based on the celtic people from before the Roman invasion; so they are quite crude.

TL;DR : They are not doing anything

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Mierce gonna release some (fucking overpriced as always, damned jews) stormvermin.
Quite nice to have some skaven love once in a while.

>>54409919
BOLOGS
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>>54409902
>one of the few others that lets in women along with Amber and Jade

I remember how in 1st ed of Realms of Sorcery half of college heads were female.

>>54409456
>Saxon
thats high elves
>>54409406
Its slaine as a wizard

>>54410105

Just checked, four are chicks. Including a halfling girl in charge of gray wizards.

Times sure were nicer before Archaon bullcrap.

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>>54410243
>No halfling-oneesan to look up at you and say what a good apprentice you are for learning that new spell...

>>54410243
Huh. I guess they really were.
I didn't even think halfling could BE wizards.

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>>54410363

Feels pretty terrible.

>>54409885

Light Wizard I believe, light blue and cobra heads are their symbols. Lore of Heavens usually have astronomical equipment.

>>54408778

Gifts of the old ones, they have laser rifles as well or 'sun rods' as they are known.

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>>54409885
Light Wizard from the unreleased Battle of Black Fire Pass

>>54410627
I hope they show up in TWW2 armed with their power swords and lasguns.

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>>54410648
Well this makes me sad.

>>54410119

High Elves are Atlanteans. Saxons never left the Empire and answer to the summoning of Elector Counts.

>>54410763

Damn I wish this was released.

>>54408542
>Black Library
>Josh Reynolds

>>54411199
wait, is Sienna Fuegonasus supposed to be that Bright Wizard from prophecy?

>>54411274
She could be, being female, but is she without peer? It's hard to say. We can't be sure until it's obvious that she's the best Bright Wizard ever.

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>>54411274

> When this will do what Sigmar couldn't.

>>54411274

Or it's a Slayers reference.

>>54411377
well, she's not Gormann, that guy incinerates entire armies, but she's really strong and who knows what she could achieve with more training and better gear

>>54411199
>1st ed just had female wizards like if it was completely normal

>2nd ed has an entire paragraph about muh glass ceiling

Sometimes I want to murder all modern GW writers.

>>54411053
So do I.
Hell, I wish they did those packs for every faction.

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>>54411274

I really fucking hate western game developers.

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>>54411573
dumbass weeb

>>54411525
Except there's no glass ceiling written about there?

>>54411525
Oh fuck off, it's a medieval-style setting. Ignoring that there were differences in treatment between the genders at all would be 'unrealistic,' but the game still gives a believable amount of wiggle room for characters of both genders, even Bretonnian knights.

It is not a bad thing to acknowledge something exists and then suggest workarounds. It's a bad thing to go 'everyone is equal and you can't argue with it' and leave no sense of character (a female jade wizard would be regular, a female celestial wizard would be extraordinary) to your choices.

>>54411525
Honestly I understand. The concept of a glass ceiling for female mage is stupid, at least in the empire ( in a very patriarcal society like Norsca, I could argue it's logical).
I don't see why they should give a fuck about a mage gender. While it's justified in the case of a soldier, mage aren't soldier, and they are no difference between sex when it comes to magic, and anyone with knowledge about magic should knew this ( and most of them do, look at the High Elves and the Treefucker).

>>54411573
whats wrong with her?

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>>54411664
She doesn't look like this

>>54411664
He wants her to be sexy with a very attractive fac. Personally, I find her voice actress v. cute. That smoker tier raspy voice females get I find very attractive.

>>54411641
>it's a medieval-style setting

One completely different from real medieval. And Warhammer is more Renaissance anyways.

First edition was much better written in general.

>>54410763
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>>54411571
ffffuck so do I. Finding out about this made me sad.

>>54411641
Hu, I maybe don't understand his post well, but pretty much this
>>54411643
I mean the College of Magic studied under Teclis, and I would assume Teclis was smart enough to tell them "And for Asurian sake you mongrel, don't ignore half of your potential mage; being more fited for fighting won't change a thing, I mean look at me !" since the High elves themselve don't care when it's come to mage.

But I maye overestimate the High elf cultural influence on the college of magic here.

On the other hand, I totaly approve mage from place like Norsca being affected by the obvious social difference betwen sex. Brettonia too, but they are kinda of a exception, since it's the other way around for them.

>>54411641
>Ignoring that there were differences in treatment between the genders at all would be 'unrealistic,'

Warhammer's equivalent of the Pope is a chick. Priestesses are a common sight and have a lot of power among masses especially Shallaya ones that are pretty much the only thing between a sick commoner and death. Verena's priestesses are the most valued judges. Not even mentioning stuff like Ottilia.

Acting like if they would have the same social standards and rules as humans in real life did is idiotic.

This shit is the result of 40k writers messing with the lore to make in more like 40k with badass manly dudes everywhere and more grimderp.

>>54411827
>since it's the other way around for them

There are more cultures with all female caster casts in WH than other way around. Just look at Kislev, Brets or dark elves.

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>>54411907

If 40k writers are responsible why does the most 40k thing in Age of Sigmar have females?

>>54411643
It's more like the world outside of the Colleges makes a big deal about gender, while the Colleges themselves don't really give a shit and just want to keep tabs on magical talent.

Imperials seem to have more of a fear of witches, and are more likely to blame the weird woman with the unexplained powers when something goes wrong. And then poor girls probably don't have the same opportunities to make their way to Altdorf as a poor boy (or maybe all the poor are fucked over), so it's mostly up to the rich/noble girls. This is almost the opposite of the Bretonnians views, whose magic-users are all female and see male wizard with suspicion.

>>54411953

The first wave didn't and did horribly. They are desperate.

>>54411939
Well Norscan, Dawi-Zar, Skaven and Ogres are all male caster if you here; but yeah I see what you mean.

Didn't realise for Kislev tough, but yeah they have Hag and Snow bitchies as their magic force.

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>>54411573
anime was a mistake

>>54412003
Make sense. Make you thing that Franzy boy shoud task the witch-hunter/sigmarite priest to identify and "collect" all the youngs with magical talent (at least among the poor, the nobles will probably give the children of their own). Peasant will listen to them, especially if they are like "Don't worry, I take care of this; just give me the child; trust me I'm Sigmarite."

Would add some rank to the College of magic.

>>54411819
It's got everything. A book of grudges and quill, a pipe, a stein, a pointy finger.

If Warhammer Total War did this to a half dead setting imagine what would happen if they made a Forgotten Realm TW game.

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>>54411274, >>54411377
I mean, she seems like a really unspectacular Bright Wizard honestly.
She's got magic but she isn't even at the "blowing up hordesof enemies with a single spell" level like regular tabletop battlefield wizards are.
Honestly, WFRP 3e was recently out at the time and it had a Bright Wizard woman, and that went a bit of the way to evening the number of female PC's in the Vermintide game without breaking the lore too hard like a female Empire Captain or Dwarf Ranger would or whatever.

You just jumped to that conclusion because she's actually got a name and she's in a famous game.

>>54411461
I highly doubt that.
I think it's just a bit of extra fluff.
This was of course back when tabletop games actually did that sort of thing still.

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>>54407841

>>54412179
>You just jumped to that conclusion because she's actually got a name and she's in a famous game.
well, yes, I did
Vermintide made a ton of allusions to the RPGs, so I thought she could be one too

>>54412109
I think generally the Colleges want to take care of things on their own and keep the Witchhunters out - the Witchhunters don't trust them all that much, and they're quick to try and take care of any rogue members and scoop up those with magical talent...even though they can't be everywhere at once, and obviously some slip through the cracks. And the Hedgewise specifically would have a lot of problems with religious folks coming after them, since it was partially the fault of the various religions of the Empire that they've been stuck in backwoods villages.

>>54412179
I want to do cultural exchange with this elf.

>>54412148
A famous video game increases the popularity of EVERYTHING just by virtue of reaching a much wider audience.
If you're old enough to remember the original Baldur's Gate you might get how it boosted the profile of FR enough (more then the novels did honestly) that there was literally an entirely fluff-central book published to detail Baldur's Gate just after it came out.

>>54412252
That's why the Emperor should do it. Can't let two of the best organisation of the Empire shoot each other foot. But that was just a tough anyway, don't really matter.

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>>54412274
>being interested in the most bog-standard female wood elf
Better waywatchers have been done.

>>54412305

Yeah, Baldur was responsible for D&D explosion. Half of my friends bought the books and tried playing because of it.

>>54412274
Wood Elve cultural exchanges are usually brief and tend to involve arrows.
When they aren't brief they involve MORE arrows and also some hawks and trees ripping you a new asshole or two.
>>54412311
I think part of the problem there is the semi-limited power the Emperor has over parts of his Empire.
The Witchhunters have Imperial authority, but technically speaking aren't actually under the Emperor's command, or even under the command of a guy he personally appoints.

>>54411573
She was specifically be designed to look like an addict, and while there's no age given, Kruber's comments imply she's not exactly young.

>>54412359

It's going to involve shooting alright.

>>54412341
If baffles me how many franchise developers don't try to pull this off.
I think it's at least a little bit because the guys in charge of most of said franchise rarely really "get" video games and don't realize how big and sudden a popularity boost a solidly made game can get you.

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>>54412338
Kerillian's banter was done brilliantly. The merciles back and forth with Salzpyre, who had another fantastic VA, was great and the touch of tsundere with Kruber was the icing on the cake.
It's also the second game where her VA voiced an elf who was best girl.

>>54412438

Even 40k got a gigantic boost after Dawn of War.

I can't believe idiots axed old Warhammer when total war was in development.

>>54412338
Indeed, Kerillian is my waifu, but you need to know about elf to be nice to your waywatcher. I litteraly want cultural exchange.

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>>54412359
Wasn't there older lore where sometimes Waywatchers would meet up with Bretonnian (and occasionally Empire) nobles to discuss some big threat they saw coming? Partially to prepare the nobles, and partially to prepare Athel Loren's meatshields in aid of their own defense. I think they may have even made friends.

Who is the best champion of Chaos? Bring forth your most obscure.

>>54412141
I haven't been this upset with something TT related since I realized they ditched the old setting.

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Why are elves so smug?

>>54409223
I have no doubt, but it's probably worse than that. Goblins have refined torture to an art and are said to understand the things their captives fear and to use them deliberately.

>>54412538
Aekold Helbrass or Count Mordrek.

>>54410105
Even in the 'modern' era, the Colleges are noted not to have any policy against women, just to be generally perplexed by them and subject to difficulty adapting as a result. It's apparently much more likely in the Empire for magical girlchildren to be killed owing to culture and prejudice.

>>54412538
Kaleb, you know who; alternativly Harald Hammermeme

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>>54412546
she wants Karl's D

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>>54412639
who wouldn't?

>>54410381
>I didn't even think halfling could BE wizards.

They can't, now. They can't touch magic.

>>54411274
What, because she's a woman? Doubtful. Sienna is just a very competent battle wizard.

>>54412546
damn she's beautiful

>>54409902
The head of Amethyst is a woman.

>>54411573
why would western game developers not be the best thing for western source material

>>54412368
She is an addict (a pyromaniac), and IIRC she's supposed to be Saltzpyre's age. It's implied, carefully, that Salty may be attracted to her.

>>54412443
Her broship with Bardin is well-handled, too. It's fun to listen to the dialogue arc going from waspish and hardy to the two elder races enjoying one another's company. Hell, listen to how genuinely flattered Bardin is when Kerillian says he'd be welcome in Athel Loren.

>>54412764

Elspeth probably was among those Amethyst wizards who winked out of existence when Nagash resurrected, being a semi-ghost probably made the effect even more pronounced.

>>54412546
MAGNETO!

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU!?

>>54412735
I'm looking forward to the sfm content, if you know what I mean

>>54411907
>Warhammer's equivalent of the Pope is a chick.

Wrong? Warhammer's equivalent of the pope is Volkmar the Grim. And the Empire is stated to not hold the sexes equal politically or socially. In fact, the Kislev RPG even notes that visitors to Kislev often are confused by their egalitarian approach to whom may rule a noble household.

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>>54412847
I did like how they put effort into the DLC banter lines to have their relationships evolve. Hopefully Bardin finding out the location of the hold will be part of a sequel.
>tfw Kruber started Drinking after what happened to his family

>>54412855
I recall she ended up a Necromancer under Gelt and died offscreen.

>>54412891
He probably mean the Myrmidia boss priestess.

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>>54411716
Probably someone like this, in fact.

All the voice actors in Vermintide are great, and Sienna's energy and sense of humor make her a lot of fun.

>>54412914
Myrmidia is a minor god for most of the Old World, respected by not especially prominent. She's only a really big deal in Estalia and Tilea.

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>>54412906
>>tfw Kruber started Drinking after what happened to his family

>yfw no one in the party really seems to understand how much this hurts him, even the closest Bardin comes is to approach it like a dwarf with grudge vows

>>54412886
sadly there hasn't been any SFM content of wh1

>>54412735
She's an elf of sluttyness who worships the Murder God and leads his Murderslut Cult; she's gonna be a looker, yeah.

>>54412950
Wait, what happened to his family?

>>54412037
Kislev's Ice Witches even hold that men are tempramentally unsuited to ice magic, and some assert ANY magic. The Hag Witches generally allow that the Ice Witches know what's best for the spirit of Kislev and go with them on this.

>>54412981
They were probably in Ubersreik, which later fell.

>>54412906
>>54412950
>>54412981
FUKKEN SPOILEEEERS
GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A SPIKY STICK

>>54412952
Lots of Lizardmen porn lately though.

Sadpanda has one with Empire women fucking a captive Saurus, and there's a lot if individual pics of Amazons and Saurus.

Honestly, probably 90% of Warhammer Fantasy porn is Skaven or Lizardmen with the rest Alarielle being raped or Witch Elves.

>>54412981
Died of Skaven plague

>>54413002
M8, you learn they're probably dead in the first elevator ride.

>>54412984

One would think they'd have reconsidered that after the whole vampire tzarina thing, Empire at least never had an evil wizard ruler.

>>54412546
Because compared to them all the younger races are bumbling children that you can easily lead about by the nose. You are constantly taking candy from babies.

>>54412538
Slambo

>>54413022
oh...
I missed that bit...
...thought they be spoilers to than rain town DLC...

>>54413067
IIRC, it's Karak Azgaraz where Kruber confirms it to Bardin, but Saltzpyre and Sienna both have elevator conversations where it's pretty clear they're dead or in the Skaven's warpath.

>>54412932
Sigmar is only a big deal in the Empire.

>>54413026
It had evil sorcerer-kings in Sylvania, at the least, but you've a point.

They probably don't count Kattarin owing to the fact that she was, well, not even a human.

>>54413122
The Empire is actually a big deal, Estalia and Tilea aren't.

>>54413122
The Empire is the most powerful human realm of all. Estalia and Tilea a shit.

>>54413153

Those Sylvanian fellas never got to lead the Empire at least.

>>54413067
To be fair, the game has a nasty habit of bugging when conversations proc, or cutting them off halfway

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>>54413181

>>54412594
>It's apparently much more likely in the Empire for magical girlchildren to be killed owing to culture and prejudice

Book literally states it's bullshit and rare.

The thing is in 2e Empire is in the middle of great bloody war with chaos so if you become a mage there is a big chance you will get send to front lines and die.

I really doubt many noble girls want to do this shit and mages from poor families are rare.

>>54413227
At least they fixed the Bretonnia one where one of Kerillian's lines would never quack, so Kruber would respond to no one.

Her complete contempt for the Bret civil war compared to Bardin's clear interest in Imperial and Kislevite allies shows how bad a friend elven kingdoms are.

>>54413414
>Book literally states it's bullshit and rare.

It states it's bullshit that women can't do magic, and that cultural prejudice seems the more likely cause.

Also, you don't have an option vis-a-vis joining the Colleges. You get found, you join or you burn. You might never make it past apprentice, though. And if you're a poorfag you're usually working off tuition forever.

>>54413165
>>54413173

Empire is such a big deal only because GW writers are lazy fucks and always do everything in the Empire.

Estalia and Tilea are richer than Empire and not locked in endless war with the north.

And with discovery on new world they will mirror Spanish Empire from real life.

Myrmidia is the Old World equivalent of Christianity and by far the dominant deity in the south.

>>54413122

And not even whole Empire.

>>54413473
t. "Merchant" """""Prince""""" from the minor city-state of Cucksuckola.

>>54411573

She just looks like a middle aged woman to me, which she would be considering she's a master wizard.

>>54411573
WILF

>>54413496
>Cucksuckola

This is hilarious coming from a country that gets dicked by chaos, norsemen and beastmen on daily basis.

>>54413473
>We grande deal senor!
>*Conquered by Araby*
>H-help please

>>54413549
Hey, we endure attacks from all sides, meanwhile a few Arabs conquer you so completely you come begging to us and those wine sippers in Bretonnia for free aid.

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>halflings actually can into magic

Nice.

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>>54412936

>>54413013
Probably because, unless you're a real big Warhammer fan, no one's interested in Bretonnian knights and Wood Elves getting it on, or a Empire human learning how fun a halfling girl can be. You get that sort of stuff well enough from D&D, as far as porn is concerned.

Any recommended miniatures to represent Voland's Venators, the finest cavalry in all of Tilea?

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>>54413688
your weebposting is escalating a bit too much, m8, tone it down or else I'm going to mork your gork out.

>>54413473
But Estalia and Tilea aren't united - they're a gaggle of city-states and petty kingdoms. And not only that, but they fight amongst themselves, so none of them just sit there being rich and peaceful, and no one really ever takes control. Even Bretonnia is technically more powerful than they are, just because it's united and Bretonnians share something I hesitantly call 'national pride.'

>>54413697
It'd almost certainly all be written smut.

Course you could just read Vampireslayer, William King clearly has a vampirism and corruption kink. Holy shit.

Would the Red Duke crusade Araby for old times' sake if Estalians asked nicely?

>>54413707

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_64&products_id=2823&osCsid=pc74nptb73ohpt3jnoap1mg6m2

I would these.

>>54413558
Not him, but you know that was literally around 1000 years ago in the Warhammer World timeline, right? Around the time the Empire was split three ways into three separate countries?

Might as well talk about Aenarion in the present tense if you're gonna go that far back before the "present" of the games seeing as you're already quoting information based on an event so old that the setting didn't even look the same as it does now.

>>54413765
Depends on how lucid he is at the moment.

>>54413789
That was Estalia at the PEAK of her power.

She hasn't been unified since.

>>54413787
Ooh, perfect. Thank you very much!

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So with Fimir, Mammoths, and Skin Wolves, it's safe to say CA has some how befriended Forge World, and can now use their catalog of fringe-canon models?

How did they manage that?

>>54413829
True that, and I don't doubt that the Empire doesn't have a bigger army, even Bretonnia with it's way-outdated feudal levy system would have more.

Just pointing out that the current representation of forces is not based off of "modern" info, and that a city-state's individual wealth can indeed make it a very powerful place. See; Mairenburg who gets to count as an entire Elector State despite being just one city by virtue of how much damn money the port brings the Empire.

Plus, the Empire is just shite at working together. The Knights who helped liberated Estalia basically did so because they were getting tired of the bullshit back home because the Empire couldn't get it's shit together for more then five minutes.

>>54413549
Tilea is the home of the Skaven.

>>54413882
Marienburg is not in the Empire.

>>54413882
>Plus, the Empire is just shite at working together.
The "Empire" is more like nine separate nations who have an agreement to fight Chaos or whoever when they show up then a proper nation-state.
Half of the Elector Counts can't stand each other and ALL of them are constantly concerned with internal matters. Hell, Middeheim is the single largest province of the Empire and has more raw military manpower then any other (if not actually having better technology like Nuln or Reikland), but their Elector Count REALLY dislikes the current Emperor.

>>54413726

Empire was a mess of separate states until Magnus too. Discovery of New World will lead to not Spain becoming a superpower just like it happened in reality.

>>54413871
>How did they manage that?

>What scratch do we have lying around that can be reused and sold?
>Can we reskin using that as inspiration?
>cool

>>54413900
>Tilea is the home of the Skaven.
Tilea actually has a better success rate against the Skaven then the Empire because they literally don't have the luxury of pretending they aren't real.

>>54413882

The main problem with Tilea and Estalia is that they were ignored for most of WH existence because muh Empire.

We do know some city states there are filthy rich from trade with elves. And Miragliano is holding back invasions from the largest skaven city on the planet for generations.

>>54413990
I imagine being a sewer worker in Miragliano must be nuts.
You probably are outfitted like a professional soldier.

>>54413834

Just check the scale because Perry's are sometimes a bit small.

>>54413990
>Miragliano is holding back invasions from the largest skaven city on the planet for generations.

If Skaven wanted it gone it would be gone. Tilea is Skaven country, man-things are jst squatters.

>>54414033

They actually have decent mechanisms to stop the rat fucking shits from entering in the first place. I remember in Liber Chaotica the writer mentioned visiting a tilean city and commenting on all the traps and alarms placed in the entrances and exits to the sewers.

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>>54414080

I wonder who could be behind this post?

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Reikland is best province, fite me faggets.

>>54414149
Best province for flamboyant arrogance, sure. Come to Ostland, that's where men are men.

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rip reiksgard foot knight

>>54413882
While you are right, the Empire has been mostly united since Magnus the Pious. If nothing else, it hasn't devolved into open civil war, and I'd argue it's a bit more than a confederacy.

>>54413940
Let's ignore for a moment that Lustria has been known to the Old World for hundreds of years now and doesn't need 'discovering.' Spain in real history was united before they even considered sending out some folks to try and colonize shit, and the New World of our reality is vastly, vastly less dangerous than Lustria, which is pretty much a jungle of death, which is also swarming with humanoid lizards that can match most encroaching armies blow for blow, and with powerful magic.

There is never going to be an Estalian Empire in Warhammer, unless you're really good at T:WW, and even then that's obviously not how it'd go canonically, just like how Bretonnia would never conquer the northern Empire and Estalia.

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previous pictures are from der weisskunig, a chivalric romance about maximilian i contemporary to his time

>>54414209

>implying any provincial peasant of the Empire knows true manliness

Ze Lady would not approve

The Laurelorn elves arent quite as isolationist of fey polluted as the Athel Loren elves. They sometimes treat and trade with the humans, and have signed accords with them about land rights rather than just pincushioning anyone they feel like.

Athel Loren woodelves interfere with human politics mainly through magical means, such as implanted dreams and prophecies, although interactions between individual elves and humans does happen.

>>54414463
>the playthings of an elf calling anything negatively
Snotlings have more dignity than your whole lot.

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>>54414629
It's a fair cop Hans but I gotta say I wish I was the plaything of an elf, not gonna lie.

>>54414666
Me too, but not in that way.
That's some dark elf shit man.

>>54414629
How much are the Bretonnians playthings of elves? Seriously, aside from the questing stuff, they seem fairly independent.

>>54414209

> flamboyant arrogance
> every state troop just goes out in his white long johns.

Averheim is the place for patrician taste.

>>54414912
Their whole society is a joke.

>>54414912
Depends on what edition.
The closer you get to The End Times the more blatantly elf-favoring it becomes; much like everything in later editions favors the elves the way Matt Ward favors Ultramarines.
Earlier on there's a lot more ambiguity and the Brets and Athel Loren still had border disputes and fought each other but they had a general "do not fuck with" treaty that went both ways.

The Lady was earlier on one more weird god in a setting that was full of them already, with her only really notability coming from the fact that she favored backwards technology development.
Even THAT isn't that weird since Ulric worshippers don't like guns and cannons at all and prefer regular bows to crossbows.

Basically later on the dicksucks who wrote the setting wanted there to be a "special truth" when in fact in terms of the larger setting not only was the Lady not that strange, she wasn't even particularly unique.

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>>54411641
>>Oh fuck off, it's a medieval-style setting. Ignoring that there were differences in treatment between the genders at all would be 'unrealistic,'
The problem is that the social treatment determined by someone being a wizard is going to be vastly more important than their treatment based on their gender. Sex being the dominant social determinator only makes sense when there isn't a biological sub-group who have the ability to explode small hamlets with their hands.
>> but the game still gives a believable amount of wiggle room for characters of both genders, even Bretonnian knights.
Funny you mention Bretonnia. It really says a lot that despite Bretonnia having very strict Gender roles, Damsels are considered completely above them. As far as Bretonnian society is concerned, Damsels are not socially considered to be "women". Because being capable of magic is far more significant than having a vagina.

It's really so much a matter of gender equality, as gender irrelevance. At least as far as magic users are concerned.

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>>54406258
pls reply

>>54406258
>>54415245

Sorry I didn't see it.

Yes unfortunately you must bring as many units into combat as possible. This also applies to multiple combats, so if two enemy units formed an L shape you would have to shuffle along so as many models were in combat.

The best way to think of this isn't that the Grand Master is being stupid but that he's being swarmed, the ogres aren't going to form an orderly queue to fight him and will quickly encircle him.

Most people generally do the maths in their head though, so regardless of where the units are you know a 5 wide regiment is in combat with 7 models of the enemy regiment should they be 7 or more models wide.

Remember to keep it morel and avoid skimmed milk.

>>54415382

moral*

>>54415245
>>54415382

Remember though that it depends where you contact the enemy, if you're clever when charging you can preform the bonus wheel in such as way that you may be able to manage who is in and out of combat.

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>>54415233
>biological sub-group who have the ability to explode small hamlets with their hands.

Best quote from WFG in a while.

Alright /wfb/urgers, to distract me from a potential cancer scare, lets talk Chaos Dwarfs. What would you have wanted to see explored about this little guys if GW hadn't dropped the ball and ignored what is demonstrably the most interesting faction in the setting?

>yfw you realise the Black Orc helmet design is clearly showing they are still under the influence of Hashut.

>>54415233
But in Bretonnia's case, only women are allowed to be magic users - males with the trait are stolen away. It's not just that Damsels aren't restricted by the rules that normally restrict women, it's that they're considered representatives of the Lady (or at least her priestesses) and gives them far more leeway than any other Bretonnian female would get. Bretonnia's society is built around concepts of chivalry, given to them by the Lady herself or by those that had been blessed by her like Grail Knights. If a Damsel has the blessing of the Lady, how can anything she does be wrong? If there were such thing as male damsels, they'd probably be allowed to break any rules restricting them too.

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>>54415630
Well, the biggest thing that always confuses me is how there can be trade east to Cathay if the Chaos Dwarves are right in the middle of the trade routes that would be required to get there. I'd be curious to see if they actually try to keep trade going themselves, or profit from it in some manner. In general I really enjoy the Assyrian/Babylonian theme, and that should be expressed more, but if someone ever took the chance to give them some vague Chinese designs and such, I'd say it'd be worth the risk of looking weird, and would add a bit of variety to the faction.

I'd also like to see the fire spirit things that they had get explored more, as well as their worship of Hashut in general. Do they have any relationship with ancestor dieties - if not the kind that the regular dwarves worship, but ancestors of their own that they treat like saints?

>>54415773
Chaos Dwarfs can be traded with (they mostly want slaves) and aren't very expansionist. They just want to dig down and throw bodies in the furnaces for Hashut.

>>54415655
>>If there were such thing as male damsels, they'd probably be allowed to break any rules restricting them too.
Which SHOULD be the big take-away from this. Being a magic caster or a direct representative of an actual deity seems like it'll be something weighed more heavily in terms of social standing than gender.

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>when the dead game goes through threads at two or three times the rate of its replacement

>>54416561

It's been 3 years and half the range is still on squares, it's like GW has learned nothing. If you don't support something it could be fried gold and it still won't sell.

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>>54416561
To be fair, I remember the times a year or two back when the threads were limping along, and there was even consideration of making /wfg/ a weekend thread.

We've been doing well lately, but that's mostly because of T:WW. I don't want people to forget how far we've fallen, and how rare it seems for people to paint up minis and play battles.

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>>54416677
I'm only in it for the RPG and setting fiction. The TT hasn't been good since 6th.

>>54416561
>implying that without total war warhammer this thread would even exist...

if you say so.

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>tfw 100+ Dark Elves to paint

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>>54416797

>>54416879
the OP pic is literally from total war... who exactly do you think you're kidding?

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>>54416797

I'm sorry smeg, but you have to go back.

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>>54409406
Here you go. It's not all the campaign information, but it's the post-campaign 6th rules for the Truthsayer and Dark Emmisary.

>>54416677
>how rare it seems for people to paint up minis and play battles.

My wife and I are painting up and Archaon, Sigvald,Banshee and converted Chaos Dwarf and some Orc Slaves to make minis for our Chaos WFRP.

>>54415630
I've always preferred the idea that Hashut wasn't actually a Chaos God, but an ancient evil from the first days of the world that survived the changes wrought on the planet by the Old Ones.

I'm hopeful the new WHFRP will build up the fanbase some more.

>>54417552
With WFRP 4ed and AoSRPG 1ed being produced by the same company, I'm genuinely concerned that it's going to up the spite factor between fans of the different lines to a demented degree.

>>54416677

I think GW players are spoilt, go look at /btg/. That is an alive game with a dedicated fanbase who all enjoy it. Just because we don't have a shop on every corner anymore it doesn't mean we're dead.

>>54417662

What will up the spite is that WFRP4E does well and the other does not.

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>>54412338

>>54418370
The fear-boner is real.

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>>54418370
You are mistaken if you think that this makes me dislike her.

>>54418835
Aaaay

>>54414033
its called pyromancy.
God dammit, cataph's mod + Skaven is going to be so fucking cash.

>>54414912
>elves keep all the magical shotas around for bullying and /ss/
>worship a literal elf goddess, lileath or liadrielle, take your pick.
>get fucked in the ass by orion when he wakes up and stretches.

>>54414033
Actually they are. The book 'Ratmen and all their Loathsome Kin' mentions that the Sewer Jacks working in Miragliano are well trained Skaven Killing machines. They even have a special breed of attack dog they use to assist in hunting down and killing Skaven.

>>54420175
aren't they little terrier puppers?

>>54415773
Because the Chaos Dwarfs don't control the entirety of the Darklands. The primary land route from the Old World to Cathay and Ind is done further south then the Plains of Zharr. As long as you avoided the handful of Chaos Dwarf mining colonies and the handful of Fortresses they have you'd mostly be fine. Though you'd still have to contend with everything from the Ogres, Goblins the occasional Chaos Dwarf slaver group and so on.
The Dark Lands are incredibly dangerous. But the route is profitable enough that if you manage to survive it you'd be set for life.

>>54420175
They looked more like what you'd get if you got a Mastiff and gave it steroids.

>>54414445
>Let's ignore for a moment that Lustria has been known to the Old World for hundreds of years

Not to humans of the old world.

And even if creating a worldwide human empire is impossible because of all the other races and monsters they are still creating colonies and that's going to bring wealth.

>>54416797

And that matters because? TW revived the setting. Do you even remember what first Dawn of War did to 40k?

>>54420110
Isnt this scenerio/campaign a homenage to the film "The Magnificent Seven"? Back when Warhammer Fanatasy was full of references (like Svens boat beign called Volkswagen)

>>54420277
Caravans traveling through the Dark Lands must be outfitted like miniature armies. I wonder - do the Chaos Dwarfs still make rune-weapons, or are they stuck to Daemonsmithing?

>>54420570
>Not to humans of the old world.
>888 IC - The Norse adventurer Losteriksson founds the settlement of Skeggi in Lustria.
>1492 IC - Marco Colombo discovers Lustria and reports that there are Skaven on the continent engaged in warfare with the
Lizardmen.
>1847 IC - Duke Tudual du L'Anguille funds an expedition, headed by his son, into Lustria.
>Not to humans of the old world.

What did he mean by this?

>>54420702
>1492

You mean it literally mirrors real life?

Is Miragliano supposed to be not-Venice? Or that falls more to Luccini and Marienburg?

>>54420712
>Marco Colombo

>>54420720
inspiring.

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>>54414111
Who indeed...?

>>54407841
...am I a dick or an idiot for being skeptical about this?

>>54420777
https://steamdb.info/search/?a=app&q=Total+War+Warhammer
Unless its le funny maymay jape by CA.

>yfw krell is just a spell and not a permanent companion.

>>54420807

He can't be a LL because no magic. He's probably a summon like green knight.

>>54413473
the reason is no important in the long run
what matters is that cannonically they are nobodies

>>54420702
>Marco Colombo
I know I should be long used to shit like that, but it still makes me roll my eyes so hard they creak every time

>>54420824
>get BonePoints(tm) to summon krell.