ITT: That guy in your group.

>>54385359
He's right you know. You're the literal brainwashed bigot here

>>54385399
fpbp

>>54385399
>this is what 4chan has become

>>54385407
Come on! It's 2017!

>>54385359
>that guy who always plays as greedy mercenary without loyality or honor.

>>54385359
I'm fortunate that everyone in my group is far right and so we always have a lot of depth and interesting dilemmas in our games.

I've played ONE session with a bunch of Leftists and it was the most shallow, boring, and retarded hyper-sexual cringe game I have ever forced myself to endure.

I strictly now only run games with those who identify as far right for this purpose. Generally speaking, they are more intelligent, more widely read (and so bring to the table a greater sense of depth and interest), and are actually more willing to participate in a complicated world as opposed to this trash who are more interested in the character putting on dresses and make up.

>>54385399
Disliking a mental illness isn't bigotry.

>>54385399
Stop trying to normalize your deviancy. I'm so glad my country wasn't infected by western """"values""""

>>54385476
Is one of your players an eagle named Small Government?

>>54385476

It's been very interesting over the last ten (kill me) years on 4chan to see the political creep into every board.

>>54385589
It's because politics have been forced down the throats of everyone for the passed twenty years.

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>>54385569
Haha no but that's an idea.

>>54385589
Unfortunately this is the era we live in where we are given very little choice. You can clearly see the battle lines being drawn and polarization is only getting more intensive.

My point was that the far right guys I play with were far more open to everything as opposed to the Left-wing group I played with. For example, the far right guys don't get offended over pretty much anything and actually are more satisfied with a complex world with complex situations, religious strifes, ethnic tensions, etc.

They want to see realism in my game and they aren't really going to shed tears over the harder realities I like to put into my games.

I just don't have patience for the immature Left-wing that is more concerned with playing with their dicks than they are enjoying a fleshed out game.

>>54385476

I've played with a lot of different groups and now that I think about it. You're right. Maybe not the far right stuff, but anyone who was self-affirmingly a lefty was a shitty, shallow player, with meme characters and often played lolsorandumbXD when the mood really wasn't that kind of speed.

Just nuke this thread.

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>>54385630
>a complex world with complex situations, religious strifes, ethnic tensions, etc.
>harder realities
calling it now, your campaign's RaHoWa-style remove kebab shit

>>54385476
>>54385630
I have an issue with one thing you said. and it can be summed up here.

>immature Left-wing

The issue isn't the leftist views. Its the immaturity that's the problem. There are plenty of right-leaning people who are just as stupid. The problem isn't politics, it's that every idiot and moron under the sun can only think about politics.

>>54385688
see, you're instantly triggered. that guy was right.

If someone is playing a game of socialist utopia where everyone is a transgender transracial transfat fighting against the patriarchy, I could'nt give less of a shit, but somehow this guy is making you mad.

>>54385688
Hahahah not quite. For instance, there was a nation state that formed out of the flames of a previous war and so it contained a mix of Elves, Dwarves, and Humans and these groups wound up actually hating one another.

Believe it or not but the far right guys actually eased tensions and helped put into power a Half-Elf who was able to settle the flames and make the country at least somewhat more stable than it had been when it first arrived.

But man was I looking forward to some good ol' RaHoWa.

>>54385729
>inferring something is automatically proof you're mad
lol 'k

>>54385731
Well, that's interesting...

>>54385688
War over borders, cultural differences and religion has defined civilization for millennia.

When did it become unacceptable for fiction to reflect history? Or do you deny the Reformation, the Reconquista, the fall of Rome...

>>54385476
>>54385630
My personal opinion is that you're just making things up.

I've played with people across the political spectrum, with good players and bad players on either side. I've played with horseshoe leftists who find it uncomfortable when something doesn't align to their values, and I've played with fervent members of the right with a bring their politics into the game and project it on everything in the setting.

The idea that people are any less retarded on either end of the political spectrum is completely fallacious, though I have to admit, the horseshoe leftist is easier to deal with. They at least can be shamed into silence by an infodump about why their idea of how things are doesn't apply to a 1500's-ish fantasy setting. My experience is that when a super conservative decides that [insert downtrodden group] must be the bad guys because he's made them [insert RL minority he doesn't like] in his mind, he has to go, because he won't ever drop that bone.

>>54385718
It is just from my experience that every Leftist I have ever encountered was stuck with a child mindset and incapable of legitimate conversation without falling apart or resorting to name calling. And all of their characters were empty shells probably reflecting their own worthless existence. It was like trying to reenact Lord of the Rings with the cast from Naruto.

Yeah sure, exceptions exist to any rule or observation but after everything I have encountered I'd rather just stick to the guys who are more interested in story, depth, and fleshed out worlds and characters than penises and vaginas and how they still can't figure that one out either. I'm not interested in playing the role of an ad hoc therapist for someones sexual frustrations or fantasies.

The fuck's a laevvel, anyway? Are they Blue Rose AGE's totally-not-elves?

>>54385768
No, they're Blue Rose's term for trannies

>>54385748
Obviously you're upset, otherwise you wouldn't post your epin back to pol pics and automatically assuming he's playing some deus vult campaign based on his comment on a "harsher reality"

>>54385759
I am fortunate in that the guys I play with do not really bring much of their politics to the table and if they do it's at least far more bearable than having to deal with this gender fluid nonsense that is so firmly occupied in peoples minds.

>>54385476
t. proud kekistani

>>54385748
It could just be a group of outliers, I don't know. These guys are far right because we have conversations outside of the game world but they also all happen to be very well read guys who enjoy roleplaying for the sake of roleplaying.

I'm not saying this is a law, I'm just saying that from the experiences I've had in my games I would rather take my chances with guys on the far right.

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>>54385476
>>54385630
>>54385764
>capitalizes Leftist and Left like he's talking about the fucking Devil or some shit

Yeah, I'm sure you're an entirely unbiased source with no ulterior motive or narrative whatsoever.

Please tell us more about how you schooled those liberal Muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professors and abortion doctors at D&D.

>>54385811
t. butthurt antifa

this is gonna be a shitstorm

put me in the screen cap

>>54385879
Sure, I have my bias but this bias was formed from years of experience, observation, study, and research.

I didn't school anybody, I excused myself from the group and found guys that I enjoy playing with for specific reasons.

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>>54385399

>>54385879
>like he's talking about the fucking Devil or some shit
Are you implying it's not the case?

>>54385806
Luckily, my more regular groups don't really bring any politics to the table either. Considering where I live most of those groups are probably center-left in general, though I don't really pry about it, that's rude as fuck.

But I've been playing D&D (fuck, let's be real, I've been DMing, I don't think I've played a PC in half a decade. Fuck everyone) for a long ass time now. Long enough to know that there's an equal number of overly political shitheads on every inch of the spectrum.

>this gender fluid nonsense that is so firmly occupied in peoples minds

It's really not in everyone's minds. In fact, I don't think I have EVER come across this specific issue in a real life game. Not once. I've had people who feel uncomfortable with sexist societies existing, who will generally shut up about it when you explain that this isn't YOUR fantasy, it's a fantasy world designed to provide conflict for a bunch of players, but I've never had anyone get uppity about gender fluidity shit. Not once.

It's mostly an internet phenomenon that is blown out of proportion by how echo-chambery the web can be.

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>>54385688
>instantly and unironically prove him right

>>54385959
Settle down and take your pills /pol/

>>54385979
Ditto, I've had would-be groups derailed by autists of every stripe. It's not political alignments that's the problem, it's being autistically unable to separate your political views from your hobby.

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Unfortunately, this sort of thing is going to be part and parcel of playing a roleplaying game now. D&D 5e introduced pro-fag, pro-tranny language to try to bring sexuality and gender identity inclusiveness into the game, so now if you don't allow sexuality to feature in your game, they can turn to the rulebook and say "look! you're oppressing my character!" Merals wanted to virtue signal, and get some pussy from the writers at Mary Sue, and as a result he left us all out to dry. Hope she was worth it, Mike.

Mix this with the hordes of casuals flooding into the hobby, and roleplaying games are basically ruined. Skyrim and Dark Scrolls players are flooding in, "memes" have become an actual part of real-life conversation, and hordes of roasties join up to acquire beta orbiters. I've seen pathetic, limp-wristed nu males buying snacks and soda for the woman at the table, buying them miniatures, even an entire collection of the books. There ought to be some kind of law against taking advantage of the mentally disabled like that, but I digress. The game has become all about welcoming new players. Even requesting a player use real dice, is considered "gatekeeping" now (see pic related). The rules have been dumbed down to attract new players, and most RPG players (including a good 90% of /tg/) have been brainwashed into thinking the hobby will die without a constant influx of new blood. Sort of like how European governments convinced their citizens that their countries would die out if they didn't import hordes of Muslim immigrants. See how well that worked out for them? Thing is, the hobby isn't dead, never has been dead, and probably never will be dead until they invent a computer that can do everything a TTRPG does. This whole scare tactic is just marketing, and you all sucked it up like shit through a straw.

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>been playing with this group of 5 for 3 years now
>There is a NO POLITICS rule at our table
>Whenever someone starts about how there are or arent gays in the game, how this or that is or isnt sexist, how communist/fascist this or that setting is others remind him of the rule
>no drama whatsoever

Y'all a bunch of autists.

>>54385476
Dude, just play the game, never get concerned with the politics. Seriously, what kind of game are you running where "leftist" and "rightest" even come up in play?

>>54386145
>has strict rules determining what can be part of the tabletop discourse
>calls others autistic

......

>>54386145
This is probably the best way to play, though I feel someone is going to say in a few minutes that this is "suppression", that if someone wants to object to the fact that there's gays (or aren't gays) in the game and you say "no politics", then you're something something cucked something.

>>54386143
There's literally no point in banning digital rollers. It has zero effect on the game.

It really is just you being an elitist.

I mean, can you actually tell me how letting players roll digitally 'dumbs down' the game? Can you explain in a rational manner why this isn't just you getting your panties in a twist over something that doesn't matter in the slightest?

>>54386143
>futa elf god is new to 5e
>numales and roasties
>muslim immigrants

Wow, you sure packed a lot of stuff in there. No wonder you're so butthurt.

>>54386145
>There is a NO POLITICS rule at our table

the moment you have a story about kings and.nations and shit you're bringing up politics you stupid fuck

Why does nobody bat an eye when this kind of subject matter is in a scifi game, but when it's in a fantasy game everyone gets up in a fucking tizzy about it?

>>54386261
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but this thread is full of autistic trolls who are constantly strawmanning their betters.

Put me in the screen grab

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>>54385399

>>54386143
>merals
>dark scrolls
Oh hi Virt, back to shitpost some more I see

>>54386234
Not RL politics. You'd think a roleplayer knows how to distinguish between the two.

>>54386296
>straw manning their betters
Who are you implying that is? Because this whole thread is some high octane autism, and if you're trying to say that one side is more correct in their screeching than the other, you're fucking crazy.

>>54386231
>There's literally no point in banning digital rollers. It has zero effect on the game.
Table has an open roll policy gm included. Phone dice bypass this rule.

Table also has a put your phone away this is a social gathering, you fuckwit rule.

just want a that guy bread REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54386261
Traditionally, sci-fi is about looking forward and exploring new possibilities whereas fantasy is about looking back on an idealised past.

>>54386234
He probably means real political issues, dude. Realpolitik being something that happens in-game is very different from some snowflake getting upset because he thinks the elves are a parallel for Native Americans and he finds any mention of them abrasive to his worldview.

Speaking of realpolitik, has anyone ever tried running a game of D&D while another group of players decide the moves of an in-setting war via a game of Diplomacy? I'd recommend it, it's fun as hell.

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>>54386234
>>54386191
>when you are so autistic that you do not understand a simple NO POLITICS AT THE TABLE rule.

This is exactly why no one wants to play with people like you

>>54386355
You wanted That Guy.

You succeeded.

>>54386368
They're probably also exactly why the rule is necessary.

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>>54386143
>Baiting this hard

>>54386352
Shut up cuck, you know what's happening

>>54386354
>table has a REEEEEEEE MY DICE AUTISM rule
You know you could've just posted that, it'd have saved a bit of effort

>>54385476
I've gamed with a variety of folks.
The best have always been those left-of-centre social democracy types. They tend to be more interested in the basic economic concepts of providing for citizens and keeping the country prosperous rather than the far-left social-justice bullshit.

Contrary to /pol/'s thinking, you don't have to be a fascist to not believe in genderfluid dragon-kin, the "wage gap", or to oppose Islam.

>>54386387
you got me there anon, cheeky

>>54386354
My table has a phones and tablets are fucking useful for looking up obscure rules rule.

That said, sure, if you outline beforehand that physical dice make it easier to keep rolls visible to everyone, that's your prerogative. Though, really, it's not hard to just show what you've rolled on a phone.

>>54385359

>the tt RPG nerd had his feefees hurt by someone else's choices
>muh safespace

The only thing worse then a pansexual demikin is the faggot who gets genuinely assmad about xer.

>>54386389
Obviously. We actually had to turn down a bunch of people who wanted to join in the past because they were not okay with that rule.

It works great as an autism filter.

>>54386143
>invent a computer that can do everything a TTRPG does

I have bad news for you anon, better brace for that Islamic cock.

>>54386427
>Contrary to /pol/'s thinking, you don't have to be a fascist to not believe in genderfluid dragon-kin, the "wage gap", or to oppose Islam.
Given how people treat those who hold those beliefs publicly, you may as well be.

>>54386442
Only the gm needs that tablet if that's the case.
The gm should also be able to snap out a judgement call and look up the rule later instead of holding things up.

>>54386505
>the world is the internet

Go outside you stupid faggot.
Most far left media (twitter attentionwhores included) is a representation of Bay-Area bullshit distilled for general consumption. It is not actually how most people see the world, only urban hipsters and a contingent of University students.

>>54385476

Basically this. The image above is a perfect illustration: I can't tell who's male, and who's female. They just blur together into a weird, amphorous blob.

I entirely agree that games with far-right players are the most fun, while decrying the insanity of it. Like, I consider myself fairly liberal, but now the goddamn far right are the only ones who have anything approaching the values I was taught as a kid. How the hell did we get to this?

>>54385399

This is why Trump won.

>>54386234
>ingame politics
>real politics

They're different, go figure.

>>54386505
>hold those beliefs publicly
>h-how dare they judge me for sperging out about my opinions in public!!
Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, tardo. Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

>>54386534
>now the goddamn far right are the only ones who have anything approaching the values I was taught as a kid
What the fuck values were your kids teaching?

>>54386505
So we should just become fascists right?
Huh, or we could stick to our values instead of becoming edgy faggots because of peer pressure.

>>54385764
>It is just from my experience that every Leftist I have ever encountered was stuck with a child mindset and incapable of legitimate conversation without falling apart or resorting to name calling.
You can visit /his/ on some recurring threads to see the same idiotic dribble from right wingers.

>>54386231
>There's literally no point in banning digital rollers.
They can easily be programmed to give false rolls. Not to mention they cannot easily be seen by the rest of the group. No, it is much easier to abuse something with aspects I can't see (code) as opposed to something I can see (dice, and I know how to spot weighted dice).

Use. Fucking. Real. Dice. If you have an issue with that, get out of my game. I am the Gamemaster, and I am the one providing value here, so if you don't want to be part of that, you can get the fuck out of my house.

>>54386505
People can be hyperbolic in arguments. Whooptidoo. Do you see me crying that some underage anime Nazi thinks I'm a degenerate cultural Marxist cuck?

>>54386568

> What the fuck values were your kids teaching?

I'm Chinese. We hate homosexuals, we're not keen on Islam, we have traditional family values. I was also raised Christian, and my mother's quite devout.

Basically, modern Leftists (With a capital 'L') fill me with disgust and revulsion.

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>>54386583
>being this spergy
>thinking anyone but the autistically obsessive would go to the trouble of getting into an app's code and adjusting it to cheat at elfgames

>>54386620
How come so many Chinese are converting to Christianity?

>>54386569
That's a valid point. No one cared who they were until they put on the mask.

>>54386354
Phones can be really useful for stuff like conveying secret dialogue without disrupting the flow of the session.

Besides, having a phone doing some rolling doesn't mean the player will be using it to text all the time or constantly looking at it. As long as you make it clear that people should be using their phones only for rolling and answering calls that seem important, you're good. If your players don't listen then why the fuck are you playing with these retards?

>>54386636

I dunno. Christianity's simple and has the least fuss, probably.

Does gender change magic exist in this setting like in D&D?

If so, why would transitioning even exist

Just bamf, you're a woman now. No muss no fuss. You can even day trip back and forth across the genders if you want

>>54386568
I understand what he's saying, many left-wingers are very sensitive about stupid shit now.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't express our opinions. Better to open your mouth and be honest, than to live in fear of your ideas.

>>54385359
I don't understand.

This text seems to apply that almost ALL Laevvel change sex during their transition. That means that all Laevvel are born the wrong sex. Does that mean you can solve the issue quite well by, you know, taking a children at birth and raising him as the other sex?

I mean, if all Laevvel boys want to be girls, and all Laevvel girls want to be boys, why is there even an issue? Just make all the boys girls, and all the girls boys.

>>54386620
And half my family's Ukrainian Orthodox. Didn't stop me from realising it was a bag of shit in my teens, although my dad's agnosticism and general practicality probably helped.

>hating gays
>muh traditional family values
How's your countrymen killing their daughters working out for you?

>>54386620
>>54386636
>>54386662
Christianity has very strong growth in Vietnam, Korea, and China. Japan is resistant because Japan, to the north is orthodoxy and to the west Islam and Hindi

As for why, idk better deal than their foll religions i guess

>>54386620
>Chinese
>Not keen on islam

Depends on the chink bud.
Don't let that Han chauvinism get to your head, it's not allowed you know? Chinese constitution and all.

>>54386695
They actually did away with the one child rule.

>>54386695

> How's your countrymen killing their daughters working out for you?

Very well, I suppose. I don't live in China - I'm Singaporean Chinese.

>>54386624
it's super hard to press a screen 20 times until you get the result you want, and then pretend to press the button a 21st.

>Phones can be really useful for stuff like conveying secret dialogue without disrupting the flow of the session.
I'll admit they work better than notecards. They just come with the risk of people getting distracted the second they're out, what with the fucking abysmal state of our world where Nomophobia is considered a thing.

>>54386620
Have you considered that the beliefs instilled in you as a child are at fault?

I know looking inward like this is hard, but shit, there's nothing that makes your parents automatically right about what they taught you. I don't really give a fuck about all the gender whatever stuff tumblr goes on about but I'm capable of looking at my beliefs and trying to inspect them logically.

>>54386695
Agreed, something being traditional doesn't mean it's good.

You can embrace your heritage and traditions while still moving into the future.

Hell I'm a left winger but that doesn't prevent me from wearing symbols of my heritage. I also call people on their shit when they criticize my origins.

>>54386731

But what if I actually like those beliefs? I've seen the opposite, and (to be blunt) they look like trash. I'd honestly rather be right-wing and conservative.

Gay people fill me with disgust, because there's something inherently wrong with them, like people who are attracted to little children or animals. Meanwhile, I really dislike Muslims because their culture is so alien and they keep pressing to institute Sharia law. The immigrant flood is also a direct threat to my economic well-being, so I hate them too.

It's simply what is in my best interest.

>>54385359
Most important question: Who's the artist? I like that bard

>>54386731
This. As I said, I looked at my family's beliefs and came to the conclusion they made no logical sense to me.

>>54386721
>hey anon, who're you texting? we're all already here
Problem solved

>>54386757
Right on. I'll be honest, I don't have many ties to the Ukrainian half of my family. They all seem completely wacko, I can't speak a lick of Ukrainian and I fucking hate borscht.

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>>54386714
Young Singaporeans have generally ambivalent, or positive views on homosexuality.

Pic related, Pink Dot 2017

>>54386232
>futa elf god is new to 5e
No, but putting a "you can play a trans-demi-fluid-kin" in the players guide lends legitimacy to that kind of bull shit.

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>>54386769
>Gay people fill me with disgust, because there's something inherently wrong with them, like people who are attracted to little children or animals.
>it's the old "gays are pedos" meme

>>54386786

You're cherry-picking. Wikipedia says 75% of Singaporeans are opposed to it. The courts dissolved a marriage where one partner was transgender, this week.

>>54386368
>This is exactly why no one wants to play with people like you
Nice strawman.

>>54386568
>Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, tardo.
>including losing your job and being beaten up by crazed antifa niggers
Go back to sucking Randall Munroe's cock. I hope you both die in a fiery plane crash.

>>54386624
>tap roll button until you get what you want
>have to get players to put phone in middle of table so you can see what he is doing
>"what, you don't trust me?"

So sick of this bullshit. I have had so many people cheat with online dice rollers, it's fucking unbelievable. Please run a real game before you pretend to know what you're talking about.

>>54386636
Chinese Communist Party basically burning anything that had a whiff of spirituality about it means there is a sort of hole for a lot of religions to fit into, a lot of converts.
Christianity is relatively simple, the New Testament only having a little more than 130,000 words.
American Chinese will see a lot of Christians in daily life and friend to friend is most common type of conversion.

>>54386793
Aaand why does it matter?

>>54386813
Most Singaporeans are not young anon.

>>54386818
>including losing your job
Yeah, nah, nobody wants a loudmouthed faggotron bringing their business into disrepute with their ranting about niggers. Keep your /pol/ sperging private (I don't agree with trannies but I don't fucking broadcast it) and you don't get made redundant, it's that simple

>>54386793
>putting a "you can play a trans-demi-fluid-kin" in the players guide lends legitimacy to that kind of bull shit.
No,what it does is that it stops neckbeards from preemptively REEEing that you are not playing something they approve of, which is incredibly common in gaming circles.

>>54386786

Yeah, it's basically a non-starter in Singapore. You're aware that attendees were photographed and posted on public websites to be publically shamed, right?

>>54386786

I'm sure you know more about my country than I do, Mr. American. The place had to be barricaded to stop assaults.

>>54386857

I know, I helped. We wore white to protest.

>>54386855
This.
This is part of the consequences part, which are very much social.
"You may judge a man by the company he keeps" is a thing in Western society, and when you put yourself out there as That Guy, people don't want to associate with you. A friend of mine has autism, and literally lost a cushy desk job because he made the people he was around feel uncomfortable. It's the same situation.

>>54386857
>20k attendees
>major corporate support

The only thing making it a non-starter is all the middle aged fucks who admire dictators and are terrified of buttsex.

>>54386856
Oh they're still reeee. Because bringing so much attention to your character's sexuality, in a game that will have nothing to do with that sexuality. Is kind of wack. The only time it is appropriate is an erp. Which is something I also disagree with personally. So double fuck off I suppose.

>>54386917

There's literally no other party in Singapore besides them. Singapore would not run without the PAP.

>>54386910
>everyone is American

>>54386937
Yes.

>>54386937
If only we lived in such a golden world anon

>>54386855
>>54386915
>mind control shills

>>54386769
>But what if I actually like those beliefs?

What you like and what's right aren't always the same thing. Reality doesn't care what you like.

>Gay people fill me with disgust

Your problem, not theirs. 'Wrong' is a stupid term to use here anyway, because it implies that biology is moral, which it isn't. They're not even incorrect, as nature is neither correct nor incorrect in anything, it just is. You probably don't understand this because you're enslaved by a good-evil dichotomy that, while comfortable, has no basis in reality.

>I really dislike Muslims because their culture

Their culture isn't really that alien. Hell, their values align more to yours than the average leftist. You have the same views on family and homosex, for example.

I dislike Islam as a doctrine for the same reasons that I dislike most organized religions, even if they are probably some of the most interesting subjects of study on Earth. But disliking a doctrine with a billion different branches is a stupid reason to dislike someone personally, especially since the average religious person almost always puts pragmatism before their faith.

>The immigrant flood is also a direct threat to my economic well-being, so I hate them too

You hate an entire group of people because one of them may take a job you might go for?

I don't even support open border immigration and I still see that this is a dumb reason to paint an entire group with the same brush.

>>54387003

So many words over one chink, you must be asshurt as hell. Wait, that's your natural state.

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>>54385399
Normally I would say shit bait, but look at all these idiots who fell for it.

>>54386930
>Because bringing so much attention to your character's sexuality, in a game that will have nothing to do with that sexuality. Is kind of wack.

If someone asked me "what is your character's sex", and I said "male," you wouldn't say a damn thing even though that's equally irrelevant in most D&D games according to you.

But if I instead answer, I dunno, "intersex" or something, suddenly it's a huge thing for you even if there's no plan to ever make it come up. You are ASSUMING that my intention must be to "shove it in people's faces" based purely on the fact that I don't want to play a male character, but I don't want to do anything other than kill monsters and take their stuff.

>>54387008
Hey, at least I'm not buttblasted over the mere idea of homosex.

Kinda ironic that homophobes are the ones who always end up sorest down there.

>>54386996
Anon, it's not my fault you think a societal ideal that has existed in America for the last 200 years doesn't apply to you.

>>54387040
>Intersex is a state of being and not a medical condition
k

>>54387040
Your character's sex is a pretty big factor in their appearance in this game of imagination. And yes, U would be concerned if the first thing I knew about someone by looking at them was that they're a herm. It's almost like you jumped to the rarest thing possible in an attempt to pretend you're interesting.

>>54386769
You can feel however you want, so long as you don't peacock about as though how you feel is RIGHT and JUST and you are a good person.
You have pretty asshole beliefs and you freely admit they are self serving first and foremost.
Run with them if you want, just don't claim righteousness.

>>54387086
I rather feel you deliberately ignored the point of what I was posting to focus on one ambiguous word choice. A classic evasive tactic, but a known one.

Fine. Imagine I wrote down "hermaphrodite" or something instead.

>>54387040
Because that is mental illness paraded as some kind of new social norm in the 21st century (weimar era aside).

It is not a legitimate gender.

>>54387115
>U would be concerned if the first thing I knew about someone by looking at them was that they're a herm

Firstly, 'u' is not how we post on 4chan.

Secondly, that guy said nothing about it being the first thing you know about the character.

I would be pretty concerned if the first thing a player wants to tell about the character is that they're hermaphrodite. But it is kinda silly that people will spazz out over seeing it on a character sheet. I mean, fuck, herms have been a thing in fantasy and mythology. I've got no inclination to play one, but if someone wants to see if they can pull off some hermaphroditic species convincingly, whatever, let them try.

>>54387086
When it comes to certain elves, that is exactly what it so.
Welcome to fantasy, anon.
>>54387115
>Your character's sex is a pretty big factor in their appearance in this game of imagination.
Not so for elves, which has been a long running thing about their androgyny. In truth, only the nearest human races in a game would have sexual dimorphism you could recognize on sight. That was outright a thing in LotR that non-dwarves could not tell the genders apart visually, and elves looked very much similar.
>>54387160
>It is not a legitimate gender.
We aren't talking about real life, we are talking about a race that can literally be born as such and it is NOT actually a big deal to them, given their creator.

>>54386451
I do when it affects my rights.

>bill c-16

>>54387123

But my church pastor, the most moral man I've ever known, and my family both believe that homosexuals are tools of the devil. They've guided me well all my life, and so I trust them. I'm pretty sure I'm righteous to shun faggots.

I know my cousin claimed she was in love with this other girl, but she came crying home when her parents threatened to disinherit her. She ultimately married a doctor, and has two kids. If you asked her about 'being in love with that other girl', she'd say she didn't know what she was thinking.

>>54386594
I'd say you're too busy hating yourself to care what others think

>>54387003
Disliking Pedophiles is entirely unreasonable. It's your problem, not theirs. What's wrong with banging a kid? It's not "wrong", because wrong doesn't exist. You probably don't understand this because of your enslavement to morals, something that has no basis in reality.

Muslims may align with the right on some values, but do not align on many key issues like women's freedoms or their expansionist tendencies.

Immigrants are a threat because you could be fired to be replaced by a lower cost foreign worker.

>Came to this thread expecting That Guy stories
>Just sports teams politics and people jerking off into to their mouths.

>>54385476
Shallow people are obsessed with sex. Gay people make sex their defining trait.

>>54387215
>Immigrants are a threat because you could be fired to be replaced by a lower cost foreign worker.
Historically, anon, what they do is remove those jobs from the country entirely.
The president of Mexico came right out and said that people from his country will work the jobs that Americans feel are beneath them, then complain that they are working those jobs they have refused.
And he's completely fucking correct, unfortunately.

>>54387227
>He doesnt recycle his semen

It's like spidersilk bro gotta get protien

>>54386818

>losing your job

That's freedom of association for you.

>>54387244
That is an issue, but being replaced in country does happen. Companies can and do fire skilled workers to replace them with H-1B workers who worker for cheaper.

>>54387215

>Immigrants are a threat because you could be fired to be replaced by a lower cost foreign worker

You should be more worried about software engineers since they're getting paid six figures a year to automate jobs. Automation is going to make entire career fields irrelevant within the next 20 years.

I happen to play tabletop RPGs. In addition to that, my politics happen to be socially and economically left.

Ask me anything, I guess?

>>54387277
How's your day going anon?

>>54387181
What was that about ignoring a point and talking about work choice again?

And because you apparently don't have eyes. Yes your sex is generally what most people will know about you visually. You know. For when you interact with people. In this game about roleplaying.

>only the nearest human races in a game would have sexual dimorphism you could recognize on sight.
And yet you yourself state that elves and dwarves can tell the difference within their respective races. Are you expecting to never run into another member of your race now too? Sounds like you're expecting to pile on to the list of incredibly rare demographics to seem special even harder.

Of course we could look at the other extreme. Beastfolk without such sexual dimorphism. If you're playing one of those who is also a 4 word gender. That's no longer a red flag, that's a good bye.

>>54387276
What if I'm worried about those software engineers being replaced by immigrants?

>>54387115
>It's almost like you jumped to the rarest thing possible in an attempt to pretend you're interesting.

Or maybe I just felt like playing a hermaphrodite for the same reason I felt like playing a sorcerer or a halfling or Lawful Neutral or Sage or whatever. You presume there must be some kind of huge motive behind it, but the choice of sex carries no more inherent weight than the choice of race, class, alignment, or background. Hell, it actually carries LESS weight in D&D since unlike those previous four choices, it has essentially zero mechanical effect.

>>54387287
Relaxing after today's shift, thanks. How are you?

>>54387215
>Disliking Pedophiles is entirely unreasonable. It's your problem, not theirs. What's wrong with banging a kid? It's not "wrong", because wrong doesn't exist. You probably don't understand this because of your enslavement to morals, something that has no basis in reality.
lefties BTFO

>>54387272
That happens far less than you think, because there is only so many H-1B visas to be had.
And what you also didn't say is that those visa workers generally work harder, longer, and achieve more success than the local talent, on top of having a fresh pool of ideas and mindset to add to the company.
They are not hired because they get paid less, they are hired because they often offer more for what you are paying them.

>>54387215
>Disliking Pedophiles is entirely unreasonable

False equivalence, the pedophile is taking advantage of and damaging another human being. The homosexual is not.

Get your shitty as pretend logic out of my face, you manchild.

>Muslims may align with the right on some values, but do not align on many key issues like women's freedoms or their expansionist tendencies

A lot of the right, especially the far right, also believes in curtailing women's freedoms and having expansionist tendencies in regards to national or religious institutions. Really though, the more important point was that the average religious person will usually put pragmatism before their faith. Disliking Islam or elements of Islam is fine, but hating all Muslims is retarded.

>Immigrants are a threat because you could be fired to be replaced by a lower cost foreign worker

And that makes them hateworthy? They're just human beings trying to get by. I can't believe a Chinaman of all people is getting riled about this, undercutting people with cheap labour is China's entire thing.

Get your government to enforce a rigid minimum pay rate that can't be tweaked or lowered rather than whining about people that are trying to survive. Your enemies here are the people willing to exploit cheap labour with no thought for morality or consequence.

>>54387295
>Yes your sex is generally what most people will know about you visually
see
>>54387187

>>54387335

Hardly, he's comparing the manipulation of a child to two consenting adults. Slippery slope bullshit is never a good argument.

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>>54386636
Because surprise surprise, there is an integral spritual aspect to humanity that the totalitarian communist Chinese and USSR states tried and failed to stamp out.
It's why there is currently a massive resurgence of orthodoxy in Russia and general Christianity in China.

And once enough people get over the sickness of abject consumerism in the West, we will see a spiritual resurgence here too.

>>54387371
It's not even slippery slope shit.

The two acts are not remotely comparable. There mere fact that he considers him so shows his poor reasoning skills.

>>54387331
>You presume there must be some kind of huge motive behind it
Yes. Just like I'd think there was a motive behind someone trying to say said characters are lolis or what have you. Hell if you want a more down to earth example if someone brought me a female character and emphasised just how massive her chesticles were.
>Why do you want to be a mage?
Spells and shit
>Why do you want to play a herm
No reason. Nope. None at all.
>Then why play a herm?
ITS MY RIGHT HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY DESIRE TO FOCUS ON SEXUAL CHARACTERISTICS

>>54387361
I clearly quoted that post while forgetting to link to it. So it's nice to see you're not reading anything I say.

>>54387123
Bullshit. Being righteous means knowing when to put your foot down and say no to clearly wtong practices, which he is.

Being an asshole is permitting or encouraging people/cultures to destroy themselves with idiocy.

>>54387392
They're focusing on sexual characteristics about as much as someone playing a male or female.

>>54387341
>>54387339
Just become someone is trying to succeed doesn't mean we should just let them come in to the country and replace actual citizens. Why is thr government more concerned about companies than citizens?

>>54387371
>>54387341
Consent is a completely fabricated construction. Is someone who bangs a 14 year old a pedophile? In many countries they aren't, while in some they'll get nearly a decade in prison. Believing in consent has no basis in biology, where many 13 year olds are fertile and ready to have children.

>>54387392
>ITS MY RIGHT HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY DESIRE TO FOCUS ON SEXUAL CHARACTERISTICS

You're the one putting focus on it, all I've done is write a single word down on the character's sheet's gender line.

>>54387425
>Being righteous means knowing when to put your foot down and say no to clearly wtong practices

Wow, fantastic argument.

I realize now that I've been doing this whole thing wrong. The right thing to do, clearly, is to ban all organized religion. After all, they're all objectively incorrect, as far as any rational thinker can tell.

>>54385359
I mean it could be cool for example you pissed off these two primordials and third one takes you in after they murder you and now you have your previous personality without any of memories and have to kill these two with help of third
But we all know it's not reason they did it so whatever

>>54387450
And everyone else didn't even bother to raise the subject because they knew it didn't matter. YOU decided it mattered. I would prefer it if nobody did so. Please remove it, like everyone else.

>>54387477
Prove it, without resorting to fundamentalist strawman.

>>54387430
>Why is thr government more concerned about companies than citizens?

I dunno dude, maybe you should take it up with your government? Then maybe those immigrants wouldn't be 'replacing' anyone.

>Consent is a completely fabricated construction.

We have pretty compelling evidence that rape and prepubescent sex is usually psychologically distressing and damaging, though. Not to mention physically painful.

Ultimately, the only important thing in morality is the question of whether you are causing undue suffering. Everything else is sophistry.

>>54387450
A better game rule everyone should live by: Don't mention your character's sexuality. I won't raise sexual themes, and you shouldn't.

There, a simple rule. It has NO PLACE at the table.

>>54387425

This is so masturbatory, it's also exactly what terrorists, spree killers, war criminals, and just about every extremist asshole tells themselves.

They're always doing something that they believe is for the betterment of society. They rationalize their actions as freedom fighting, standing up for what's right, etc.

>>54385688
Next you'll say "I was only pretending to be retarded"

>>54387500
I don't really need to do that. Pretty much all religious worldviews have been proven wrong already.

Please don't tell me you're a young earth creationist or some shit.

>>54387530
>compelling evidence
Show me any evidence that consensual sex between an adult and a teenager is harmful. You can't.

>>54387573
>fundamentalist straw man

>>54387551

So you're saying that you, in fact, stand for nothing? You have no beliefs whatsoever that you're willing to take a stand for? That's even worse.

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>>54387538
>"Your sexuality comes up in the name of progressiveness, my loli's sexuality comes up in the name of progressiveness. Do you have any further questions?"

>>54387551
Right, because some people are overzealous means you can't tell your drug addled friend/family member to fix themselves and gain self respect, or that maybe someone with gender dysphoria should see a psychiatrist for professional help instead of butchering themselves in the false hope it will fulfill them and make them happy.

Permissiveness like yours is what leads to self destruction

>>54387499
Uh, no. I came into this conversation when some Anon, presumably you, said, "bringing so much attention to your character's sexuality, in a game that will have nothing to do with that sexuality. Is kind of wack." Right here, >>54387040

I'm pointing out that writing down "hermaphrodite" on a character sheet is no more nor less bringing attention to a character's sex than writing down "male" or "female". It's just a word, written down exactly where it's supposed to go on the character sheet.

All the focus has been the result of a hypothetical DM who's looking over the character sheets and is flipping his shit over the hermaphrodite character when not a damn thing was done to draw attention to it.

Although I realize now that I misread the post I was responding to, which was about sexuality rather than biological sex. Mea culpa. Even having said that, there's plenty of ways for other sexualities to come up in a game without the player being the one to bring focus to it.

>DM: "The sorceress looks at you enticingly and says 'I could make it worth your while...', then winks at you."
>Player: "Okay...I ask her to stop doing that and then tell her that I'll work for 100 gp/day plus expenses."
>DM: "Wait, you're not enticed? She has a charisma 20!"
>Player: "Yeah, but she's not going to be able to seduce my price down."
>DM: "Why not?"
>Player: "My character is gay."
>DM: "REEEEEEEEEE HOMOSEX WHY ARE YOU PUTTING SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON YOUR CHARACTERS SEXUALITY YOU'RE THE REASON THIS HOBBY IS BECOMING DEGENERATE REEEEEEE...!"

>>54387591

No, I'm just not retarded enough to convince myself that I'm some woke warrior poet fighting for a better cause. Once you put yourself in the "I'm doing this for the betterment of the world camp" you became an easily manipulated dipshit who can suddenly justify doing terrible things. You also become resistant to change, even if your ideas are met with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Being a tribalistic dumbfuck is never a good idea.

>>54387584
>teenager

I thought we were talking about pedophiles, anon?

There's nothing intrinsically morally wrong with an adult and a teenager having sex. At that stage consent laws are more pragmatic than moral - there's no actual cause of suffering, at least inherently, but young teens are often pretty vulnerable and inexperienced compared to adults, so the law exists as a safety measure.

I'm a libertarian but I think killing fags should be legal, we need to outlaw islam, unleash the police on the inner city and kill illegals at the border. I know in my heart of hearts that this is what a free society with max liberty would look like. I only game with other libertarians so it all works out pretty well. Tabletop games are going to be shit until we day of rope all the leftists and outlaw their thinking to defend free speech and liberty.

>>54387659
What about a ten year old? Is it wrong to bang an elementary schooler if they are okay with it?

>>54387588
That's not a strawman. I'm not saying you are a young earth creationist, anon. I'm stating that only young earth creationists and the like believe that their religious texts haven't been proven incorrect.

Because they have.

The only one committing any kind of logical fallacy here is you, by trying to deflect the argument elsewhere.

>>54387382
>Because surprise surprise, there is an integral spritual aspect to humanity that the totalitarian communist Chinese and USSR states tried and failed to stamp out.

They succeeded in Estonia. (Czechs were already irreligious long before Marx was born)

>>54387612
>Reverse image search
>This loli is a literal prostitute on the side
>Part of an adventuring party
>A very well-dressed cute and probably very nice prostitute
>Gets dominated by magic and raped

>>54387392
Fine, what secret agenda I'm pushing if I write down 'male' for my character's gender?

>>54387686

>I'm a libertarian but I think killing fags should be legal, we need to outlaw islam, unleash the police on the inner city

You're not a much of a libertarian then.

>>54387642

That's not really an answer. Do you condone rape, cannibalism and beastiality? I mean, we can agree that the world would be better off without that, right?

The real problem is virtue signaling. Everyone is so terrified about including anything 'controversial' that they blend everything down to a non-offensive brown goo. It's ok for games to have discrimination. Just because a fictional world has discrimination doesn't make the world's creator racist. Things can be complicated, just like real life. People can be products of their times and upstanding even if they do things our modern view considers wrong.

The plight of intersex folks is not something I include because it doesn't make for good adventure fiction. When one's life is on the edge due to incursion of barbaric tribes trying to kill me and mine one's sexual identity becomes less important than survival.

>>54387692
Yes.

Because this actually can cause psychological damage. This is proven. Shit, it can cause physical harm in many cases.

There's a reason the Greeks and Romans had loud ass bands playing outside their houses when they consummated with their preteen brides. Because it was almost always distressing and painful as fuck for the bride, causing some serious screaming and wailing.

>>54387705
>Estonia

They already live in hell

>not being a centrist
Extremist go home

>>54387686
Nigga you ain't a libertarian.

>>54387538
I disagree that it has NO place. Sex is an important part of peoples lives, whether we try to repress that fact or not it still remains true, and those themes CAN be interesting.

I do agree with your rule though. Unfortunately, most people can't handle that kind of stuff in general, let alone the small portion of individuals who play rpgs.

>>54387745
That's pussyfooting, virtue signalling is when yo-

Just an FYI Hitler is a jerk and I support LGBT rights.

-u actively, openly, and blatantly shove things in to make yourself look good while not actually benefiting whatever cause you allegedly support.

>>54387633

Not that guy, but when I run games, I run with the implicit understanding that everyone's heterosexual. Crossplayers and homosexuals creep me out. In that example, I would have to quietly tell that player to leave, because he makes me uncomfortable.

>>54387749
They live better than majority of those highly religious central asian people.

>>54386773
bumpo?

>>54387771
>repress

I hate this fucking word in reference to sexuality. If someone not a NEET incel chooses to refrain from sex or mentioning it in public, it's not repression, it's self-control, or discipline.

My group kicks out anyone that frequently squawks about any political beliefs that are focused on identity politics. especially when the targets of those identity politics are members of the group.

Guess the political leanings of the three different people my group had has to kick out for the reason of identity politics.

>>54387824
yes. your correct. that still doesn't mean sexual repression doesn't happen in developed nations.

>>54387848
Socialist? I get into arguments with liberals more often than I do right wingers desu.
A lot of sjw types think that a boot on your neck is acceptable if it has heels or is rainbow colored.

>>54387744

You're stawmanning, there's no point in talking to you because you'll just spin my words back to "so I guess your okay with these horrible crimes then?" I'm obviously not okay with those crimes.

I take umbrage with people like you who delude themselves into thinking there's one right answer, and that the rest of the world NEEDS their ideas.

"I'm doing this for your own good." Is just moral policing That allows other people to shove their ideas down someone else's throat under the guise of progress. You might as well browse Tumblr because that's exactly what they do to.

>>54387824
Still, consider your circle of friends and acquaintances. They dedicate significant amount of time and effort into relationships, so dating and marriage should be part of RPG characters' lives too.

(for the sake of argument let's assume you have friends, ok?)

>>54387686

>libertarian
>"day of the rope"

You're one of those fags that unironically likes Hoppean Snek memes, aren't you?

>>54386666

In pathfinder there is a potion that does it. I think there's also an alchemical item that's non magical that works over a long term, specifically to mirror hormone treatments.

>>54387728
>>54387764
>>54387924
How the hell do you fall for bait this obvious?

>>54386769
Religions aren't cultures. Something like a unified Muslim culture does not exist.

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>>54385399
That was good bait. Here's your (You). Now leave.

>>54387783
>I run with the implicit understanding that everyone's heterosexual

That's not inherently wrong. Statistically speaking most people are mostly or entirely heterosexual, due to biological imperative if nothing else.

>Crossplayers and homosexuals creep me out

Hmm, you wouldn't like me, then - I'm a straight white biological male, and always have been and never felt any serious desire to be anything else, but I usually roll up female characters. Dunno why. Possibly it's a video-game holdover (if I'm gonna stare at an ass for 20 hours, it might as well be one I find attractive). Might just be because when I roll up a character, I'm specifically trying to be something I'm not.

Regardless, this attitude IS kind of inherently wrong. It's just another attempt to create a "safe space", not really that different from those people that 4chan regularly laughs at for trying to escape from reality by not confronting opposition to ideas they don't like. Reality hurts. Deal with it.

If you have legitimate homophobia - that is, irrational fear at the thought of homosexuality - see a psychiatrist. Otherwise, grow up. I'm not saying that you have to LIKE homosexuality, I'm saying that it shouldn't have such a psychological grip over you. Distaste towards homosexuality should come with the same "baggage" as distaste towards, I dunno, legumes, or cheese. I don't like cheese (unless it's been baked into something, like a pizza, and even then I don't like a lot). But I don't think that someone is destroying the fabric of Western society when he or she eats it.

>>54387915
No one has friends here.

>relationships & dating

That's fine and commendable. The issue is with sex itself. My point is, if you don't feel like engaging in it, or discussing it or dealing with someone's publicized fetishes, it is not repression. It's self control and self respect.

>>54387898

If you literally cannot say that these horrible crimes are wrong, then there's no point in talking to you. If you don't stand for SOMETHING, your existence means nothing.

>>54387954

I had a feeling buy I've met people IRL who are totally capable of contradicting themselves that much.There's no sanity in American politics anymore and it's become harder to tell.

>>54386803
The vast majority of pedophiles are gay though.

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>a new campaign to start soon, our GM is now confident with the new found hobby
>fat faggot friend (cool faggot though) invites his girlfriend
>my sceptism tingles but this time the gf is not a bitch
>she invites her other girl friend
>spaghetti already slipping
>she invites her boyfriend, a friend of mine
>out of all this randomness the last guy is THAT GUY
>I always love to read backstories to other people characters so I ask GM for all of them, again
>it's le racist drinking dorf priest
>Alright, I'm not the one to talk after making a wizard fox
>rest is dragonborn, elf, half-elf, human
>dorf ditches the fight to drink beer in some bushes
>girls are the elf and half elf so it's their first time moving caps on the board. Both get KO'd in a retarded way
>dorf dabs every time he casts any spell
>three hours passed, dorf clubbed elf in the back
>as a leader i somehow managed to make them not kill each other in next 15 minutes
>some political bonanza happens between them, dorf plans to kill the half-elf but goes to sleep instead
>half-elf pays some drunkards to kill dord
>later dorf meets those people solo, earlier i tried to find him so that's great, no killing
>he rolls two 1s in very, very bad moments
>at least dragon guy is any competent and in-character, we avoid him dying
>next of the session is quite nice outside of every conversation between dwarf and elves which just turn into typical shitposting
not the worst guy ever but that reasonless attacks really got on my nerves, first time leader too

>>54387215
>right wing Christianity
>women's freedoms

Someone has never read the writings of Paul.
Stop acting like a real Right Wing Christian you fucking pinko.

>>54387915
Most characters who go out 'adventuring' are not normal folks. They live of societal fringes with little to no guarantee of their continued survival.

>>54387983
>Regardless, this attitude IS kind of inherently wrong

Why and according to what standards?

>>54386991
We'd all be dead already.

>>54387954
Because living in the south i know many "Libertarians" that believe all this stuff and more whacked out shit. I even know some libertarians on welfare and who want socialized medicine.

For many people the term Libertarian is just a way to identify as conservative leaning with out saying they are a republican so they can avoid the "Stigma."

>>54385359
But... that's not a chapter. Those are like two pages. There are World of Darkness books from the White Wolf period with more on transitioning than this.

>>54388022
By women's freedoms I more meant the freedom to not have acid poured on their face because they talked with an unmarried man.

>>54385359
Sounds great, I've always wanted to play a truck that transitioned into a man.

>>54388042
>We'd all be dead inside already

ftfy
Consumerism not even once

>be straight
>played a homosexual man
>never came up until a monster with a seducer theme appeared (and looked like a woman with scales essentially)
>I know about the monster and tell my GM I should be unaffected because it's ability only works on things sexually attracted to it
>GM gets pissed off
>tell him to check my backstory which mentions my dead husband
>GM says its dishonest of me to play a homosexual

I fucking hate politics so much.

It ruins all discussion. Delete /pol/ already so that they stop spewing their autism all over the site, and so that thin-skinned SJWs stop getting super triggered and launching a shitposting war whenever they do. Holy fuck.

>>54388089
Deleting pol would have negative reprocusions of /pol/ refugees setting up shop in other boards permanently. Right now we have a trickle, deleting /pol/ would make it a torrent.

>>54388089
You can't escape it bud. We are rapidly polarizing more and more each day, mostly due to various factors out of our control.

Pick a side, it's coming.

>>54388111
A torrent that hopefully would simmer out as the idiots get permabanned or waddle off to the next autistic circlejerk site.

>>54388089
You see that the roof is leaking and your solution is to remove it?

>>54388003

>If you literally cannot say that these horrible crimes are wrong.

I said they were wrong. Those are all crimes where the damage is generally obvious and provable.

What I've been getting at, and what you've consistently failed to understand, is that it boils down to certainty. The moment you draw a line in the sand and say "this is what society needs whether you like it or not" you become a problem. You have stopped being rational, and you have become tribal.

Having ideas is fine, insisting that their what the world NEEDS is when you run into trouble.

>>54387783
>reeee my safe space

Also anon, I'm sorry but you're gay.

>>54388120
No, fuck extremism. Both sides are muppets subscribing to a McIdeology weekly and lapping up everything in the paper rather than thinking for themselves.

>>54388034
>Why

Hmm, I was a tad unclear - I meant to refer to the Anon saying that he'd ask crossplayers or players of homosexual characters (or, presumably, actual homosexual players) to leave the table.

Regardless, I did outline why - it's jut another attempt to create a "safe space" where none of your beliefs are ever challenged even in a passive way. 4chan laughs at people who get triggered by people objecting to third-wave feminism or someone giving a speech about the Holocaust and need to retreat to "safe spaces" where there's pillows and cuddly toys and no one challenging their beliefs, and yet you don't see why it's equally absurd to have people who don't conform to your exacting standards leave the table even if they aren't actively doing anything to you?

Like, it's one thing if a player is going on and on about their characters homosexuality. That's just a player trying to drag everyone into their magical realm. But if it's as simple as

>DM: "The tavern wench tries to seduce you."
>Player: "Well, she's barking up the wrong tree because my character is gay."

Then the problem is with the player who is triggered by the idea that some characters might not be homosexual.

>and according to what standards?

Real life. Real life is full of things you don't like. Adulthood is learning to live with that.

Now, like I said, maybe the Anon had legitimate homophobia, in the sense that they actually possess an irrational, psychological fear of homosexuality or even the thought of homosexuality. In that case, it's the Anon's job to see a psychiatrist and get that dealt with if possible, the same as an arachnophobe would be expected to seek professional help to deal with his or her fear of spiders, or an agoraphobe go and deal with his or her fear of open spaces. You do not cater to your phobias, you try and overcome them.

>>54388012
Sounds potentially entertaining but just falling short.

>Guy at my table is always a pervert, always leching, avatars are from e621 images, the works
>Also a greedy fuck, and a total jerk as well. I keep trying to avoid him but the idea of ruining his life calls to me.
>Wear some traditional religious garb and infiltrate his game
>He doesn't recognize me, but rags on about my newfound faith being this that the next thing blah blah blah.
>Yells at his mother to cook pie for us, because he's too much of a fat fuck to do it himself. That and he was stuck to the chair.
>Game goes on, he's obviously wanking under the table while talking about a dragon's "red lance" and trying to make the party loli submit to sex with the scaled beast. Decide to check on the pie.
>Come back. Game continues. Loli gets +2 to vaginal circumference and has a phobia of dragons.
>The oven dings and his mother wheels into the kitchen.
>A blood-curdling scream cracks the windows. Fatfuck stands up with the chair still stuck to his arse, sniffs the air, and looks straight at me with a look of shock that can only be described as "George Soros having to pay tax".
>pull off my burkha
>"YOU BASTARD!!" he screams, recognizing me and my sphincter shenanigans, dropping to his knees as his mother bursts into tears in the next room.
>Walk out with a swagger, his mother bawling over the cherry pie that I left a footlong jobby on.

>>54388079
>GM is a faggot in denial

>>54388191
>by the idea that some characters might not be homosexual.

*"Might not be heterosexual." Mea culpa. Although boy would that be an in interesting game.

>>54388172
That's not the point.

Our society is divided more than ever, and it just needs a spark to be set ablaze with chaos. It will be all the more brutal thanks to our wealth and other countries stepping in to take a piece of the pie.

If you don't pick a side, someone else most likely hostile to you will for you. You don't get a choice, unless you are an extreme loner survivalist.

>>54388045

Lol this. The number of Libertarians with consistent beliefs are few and far between, for the same reason that consistent beliefs are hard to find among Republicans and Democrats. They sure like smelling their own farts about how they're not partisan though, even though they are.

People are stupid animals.

>>54388191
So I should be okay with murder and crime because it just happens in real life?

>>54388247
Then I'd rather die in the fires than join either rabble of retards. The decades following a complete social collapse are not really worth living anyway.

>>54388089
Bad idea. What we instead need to do is restore old /pol/ by posting there and ousting the "le god emprah trump" immigrants from reddit.

There are no political views which are inherently annoying or wrong, and it's far, far harder than you might imagine to make a game that's so inherently political it's impossible to play it without stepping on some ideological landmine (whether you're talking Blue Rose or Eclipse Phase or MYFAROG or whatever it is you feel like getting angry at). The only element you should be wary of is stupid players, and the solution to that is not to play with stupid people. I refuse to buy into the stereotype that all roleplayers are autistic shut-ins. Odds are you have plenty enough friends to play with, you really don't need to gamble on idiots from the internet.

I remember the last time I tried that thing, and I shit you not, you could make a fucking comedy sketch out of the ten minutes I spent in that chatroom before realizing I was out of there and never coming back. The whole spectrum of politically minded retardation just blasted at me like the A/C when opening the living room door on a California bungalow. You had that one guy who spent half the time repeatedly asking whether niggers got INT penalties (presumably because nobody laughed at his wit the first 17 times and he had to make sure we got why it was hilarious), on the other side of the figurative room was some dude complaining about how his roleplaying abilities depend on being able to create a fucking catgirl he can "identify" with, and the last one (I wish I was making this shit up) actually said "Do I have to be religious to be a cleric? Because I can't even begin explaining to you how much I hate religion."

I logged the fuck out and never looked back. I got three different groups to game with in real life. I don't need that shit.

>>54388270
Well I suppose the weak need to be culled eventually.

>>54388268
False equivalency. You must first demonstrate that being homosexual is equivalent to murder and crime.

Side note - "murder AND crime"?

>>54388223
Quality shit anon.

>>54388320
>Side note - "murder AND crime"?
One's a group of crows, one a legal concept. Really, anon.

>>54388320
AIDs/HIV rates and prevalency, and pedohphilia rates.

Just needed some extra emphasis on that point.

>>54388213
The worst thing was that he didn't even got into his dwarf, he just wanted to abuse game's no limits to push the joke into extreme and it always came out really obnoxious. Also a lot of OOC conversations with his gf and half-elf.

>>54388248
Yeah, most of them will rave about traditionalism and shit. Not realizing that a libertarian society would be rife with debauchery.

>>54388275
>ousting the "le god emprah trump" immigrants from reddit
It's funny idiots like you think Trumps supporters are from Reddit when the majority of the site apart from a single subreddit is against him. It's like saying Reddit's "Pro Gamergate" just because they have ONE board that isn't filled with complete SJWs.

And speaking of GG, it's equally funny that you think you have any authority to "oust outsiders" when you're the kind of limp-dicked crybaby that moot immigrated here en masse around the same time to try and "clean this place up." You are the outsider, sweetie, and you either need to grow a thicker skin or fuck off back to tumblr already.

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>>54386232
This is your god now.

>>54388121
>pol
>circlejerk
Go visit ppl. It's got the broadest spectrum of political opinions ive ever seen on a site. Nobody gets banned there for voicing an opinion.

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>>54388360
I dunno mate, I live in a super gay place and there's hardly any AIDs/HIV/kiddydiddling compared to say, the Bible Belt.

>>54388413
They are from Reddit. They came here because all those Subreddits banned people supporting trump. Use your brain faggot.

Also I've been here since 07. If /pol/tards are triggered by people disagreeing with them on their own board, they're the ones that need to fuck off to /r/teh_donald.

>>54388464
Oh that? Blame the niggers.

Wasn't there a research once that said something along the lines of "people don't notice politics so long as they agree with them"? Like, it was something about how when you watch a movie or read a book or whatever and you agree with the politics, you don't find it to be "political" because the political elements just feel "natural" to you, so they blend into the background. "Well, duh, of course all Muslims are terrorists/gay people deserve rights/atheists are stupid/capitalists are evil/etc., what's next, the sky is blue?". It's only when you encounter something you don't agree with that suddenly the politics detector lights up and it becomes forceful and controversial and so on.

I think it could explain a lot of that shit on /tg/. For all I know, there are guys reading into the old D&D books or whatever getting super angry about the depiction of dwarfs or something, it's just that right now the current is that Blue Rose's politics strike us as out of place instead of Traveller's.

>>54388464
The gay black community is actually a massive chunk of AIDS cases, and blacks in general.
Blacks just outright make up the lion's share of new STD cases in general. I'm not sure why people always jump to the south as a whole when it's clearly a demographics thing. There's just far more blacks in the south than there is other parts of the country.

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>>54385359
I don't know much about Blue Rose but I have to say that it's mechanics, the True20 system are one of the more functional takes on d20.
Something like True20 with Fantasy Craft's feats, a cleaned up magic system and some of the crunch in particular places straightened out and you would have a really solid game.

It's uses a 5 point damage track rather than HP and BAB determines attack and defence. I'v had some really fast, well exectured fights using that system. It also has a toolkit for creating new classes and races and shit.
The side effect of this is that it's really easy to see how the rules work and come up with new houserules that fit easily into the game. It's a weird kind of all the way around from 3e to earlier editions, the game has enough mechanics it goes back to being intuitive to houserule.

It's not an amazing game by any means but it works and it's an interesting take on an old formula so it's worth a glance at least

>>54388527
>>54388502
The vast majority of niggers are highly religious.
Hell, evangelicals try to encourage these impoverished nigs to not use protection.

>>54387745
>It's ok for games to have discrimination. Just because a fictional world has discrimination doesn't make the world's creator racist.

Discrimination is obviously unpleasant for the people being discriminated against, though—and if the groups being discriminated against are also real-life groups, it's likely that a player of one of those real-life groups will want to play as a member of the same group ingame. Is it fair to force a woman to deal with extra ingame barriers to play as a character of their gender when a man doesn't have to? I'm not saying that discrimination should never, ever exist in a fantasy settings, but there are issues to weigh.

But yes, the existence of sexism, racism, etc. in a fantasy setting obviously doesn't indicate creator bigotry on its own, and anyone who says otherwise is a moron. (If it's being glorified, that's obviously a bit different.)

>The plight of intersex folks is not something I include because it doesn't make for good adventure fiction.

Well... you could include it as a background element; for example, a major figure in one of the raided groups (or one of the barbarian tribes!) could be intersex. Would it come up ingame? Not necessarily, but there's nothing wrong with throwing in a detail like that every now and then.

>>54388559
See but they are niggers first and foremost. That's just how they are, social trappings aside

>>54388573
>It's ok for games to have discrimination. Just because a fictional world has discrimination doesn't make the world's creator racist.

By that logic, though, how is it a problem for a game to have SJW style values? Just because someone's world has transgender dudes doesn't make them an SJW?

>>54388559
Black religion is very alien to white religion. You see a far greater trend towards wish fulfillment and instant gratification. They in general are much more flashy in service but rarely will they self sacrifice.
Religion is skin deep in blacks. They do not use protection because it feels better, not because the preacher tells them so.

I think I might be one of the only guys in the world whose group actually includes an intersex woman. Like, by the scientific definition of the word. Was born with an internal testicle instead of an ovary, genetically not quite male or female, hormonal levels all fucked up, that sort of shit. I actually really like her as a player, she really gets into character.

>>54388360
My main issue with using AIDS/HIV as a measuring stick against homosexuality is that lesbian women are actually LESS likely to acquire AIDS/HIV than straight women, since lesbian sex involves much less bodily fluid exchange than straight sex or gay sex.

Basically, if "only the people least likely to get HIV should be allowed to have sex" is your main argument, then the only people who should ever get some are lesbians.

>and pedohphilia rates.

If I might quote the National Academy of Sciences, "the distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143).

The problem is, basically, that you're assuming that the problem is a binary one, when in fact the issue with pedophiles seems to be more than pedophiles are attracted to an age rather than a gender (in this case, children). In essence, if you must connect sexuality to gender, pedophiles can be said to see children as a third "gender" to which they are attracted (though this is a clunky way of wording things).

Also rather notably, 1 in 5 girls appears to be the victim of molestation, compared to 1 in 20 boys, according to the National Center for Victims of Crime.

https://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics

>>54388604
Because the SJW values are put in purely to virtue signal. It breaches the border of fact and fiction and you are using it as a mouthpiece.

All SJWs are racists, sexists, and child molesters. Every single one.

>>54388604
That's fine if it's believable and compelling. Is sexuality is used as a stand in for a personality that's an issue.

>>54388573
>(If it's being glorified, that's obviously a bit different.)
Heck even if it's being glorified. There are cultures in the real world that glorify it. Fictional people with fictional opinions are not the GM's opinions.

>Would it come up ingame? Not necessarily, but there's nothing wrong with throwing in a detail like that every now and then.
That's the thing, when it comes up when it has no reason to come up. What I care about is a believable and compelling world.

>>54388503

I'm willing to bet this is the case in most of these scenarios where politics shut down a game. People are used to being in their insular friend groups where everyone agrees with each other, the moment someone with a different opinion comes along they hone in on it and won't let go.

Some people can ignore it and still have fun, other people let it fester until it ruins the game.

>>54388604
The world itself is fine, and that idea is fine if it floats your boat.

This issue is (and one no one can agree on) is, is creating or emphasizing these worlds a vehicle for promoting an agenda(s)? And will it force a shift in some direction of the medium as a whole?

>>54388459
>It's got the broadest spectrum of political opinions ive ever seen on a site.
good meme

>Nobody gets banned there for voicing an opinion.
That's not the only thing that matters, anon. Don't be disingenuous.

>>54388604
>By that logic, though, how is it a problem for a game to have SJW style values? Just because someone's world has transgender dudes doesn't make them an SJW?

If you're equating LGBTQ acceptance and other liberal values with bigotry, or just calling them "problematic", I'm not a fan of that. I can't be sure you're doing that, though.

Also, I was quoting someone else with that line; you probably meant to reply to them, instead.

>>54388669
>Because the SJW values are put in purely to virtue signal. It breaches the border of fact and fiction and you are using it as a mouthpiece.

I mean, not necessarily? Who says that, say, a transgender character can't make a story more interesting? The Belt of Opposite Gender has been around since AD&D 1e.

I'm not saying that virtue signalling never happens, but you are not the Grand Judge of Things Which Have Value In Fiction.

>>54388705
>>54388729
Biggest example of this that comes to my mind is The Freak from Unknown Armies. Dude(ette?) has been a major player in the metaplot all the way since the very first core rulebook, and he/she/it/whatever is LITERALLY the living avatar of gender transgression. They became so synonymous with the very concept of gender transgression it GAVE THEM SUPERPOWERS.

And nobody ever complains about The Freak. And frankly, some of the time I really can't say if it's because Unknown Armies was all that well written, or if because it's so old and valued it's considered some kind of untouchable holy cow and if we saw a game doing that nowadays there'd be three threads a day just to complain about it.

>>54388669
>All SJWs are racists, sexists, and child molesters. Every single one.
I didn't see this line earlier because I was skimming, but I'd just like to put it out there that you're a fucking moron.

>>54388670
>Heck even if it's being glorified. There are cultures in the real world that glorify it. Fictional people with fictional opinions are not the GM's opinions.
I meant glorified by the author, not by the culture itself.

>That's the thing, when it comes up when it has no reason to come up.
So you're saying that it could never, ever come up? I find that hard to believe.

>>54387848
trumpies

>>54388783
>gender bender
>called "The Freak"

There would be people complaining about it, just most likely not here.

>>54387686
amen brother, let the free market solve it all

>>54386534
The "far right" and "literally Hitlers" are really just anyone right of far left. Stop watching CNN.

>>54388803
>So you're saying that it could never, ever come up? I find that hard to believe.
Of course not. However it is very obvious when sexualities are brought up for the sake of being brought up and not because it makes sense in context of the narrative.

>>54388811
The "Freak" part is less about the genderbending and more about the extreme self harm. In case you aren't familiar with the setting, there are generally two ways of getting magic: fitting perfectly into an archetypal role and thus channeling power from the collective unconscious, or latching onto some kind of philosophical paradox so powerful it focuses your will to go against reality. Most people can't do both at the same time. The Freak managed to find a balance between channeling gender transgression and pulling magic out of the philosophical paradox of self harm (to be able to destroy something is to have power over it>the ultimate power is to be able to destroy yourself). The Freak's got fucking meat hooks chained all over, pulls them out to drink the magic that flows from the self inflicted wounds. It's freaky.

>>54388803
They're like muslims, mate. Once accused, they are guilty by default because you know they'd do it in the first fucking place so might as well go straight to the rope.

>>54388860

If the far left exists, so does the far right. That's not how people's brains work.

>>54388876
That's really cool actually. Too bad most complaining would see the name and base description and that's it.

>>54388862
>Of course not. However it is very obvious when sexualities are brought up for the sake of being brought up and not because it makes sense in context of the narrative.
Oh, sure. At the same time, you seem to feel very strongly about this, so you might want to acknowledge your (potential) bias by asking yourself "is this actually forced?" when you perceive something as being so, but other people don't or there's clearly room for debate.

>>54388899
>>>/pol/

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>Unironic neo Nazi
>Roleplaying with a group of mostly left wingers
>One is a tranny
It isn't hard to deal with anons. Just think before you speak and tune out if they start going on a rant

>>54388921
The far right is a boogeyman. Aside from prison and biker gangs, nobody goes around on the street lynching niggers.

However, there are far leftists who go out on the street and burn down homes and shops and attack people in the name of leftism.

The media is trying to paint anyone who doesn't believe in postmodernist "gender spectrum" or "no such thing as race" nonsense as an aryan brotherhood KKK member.

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>>54388089
Bad idea. Instead, give them another bad time.

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>If you strip naked and shriek as loud as you can, the right wing can't debate you
Checkmate nazis.

>>54389072
Censoring that image defeats the entire point they were trying to make

>>54389036
The only time that board has been anything of value

>>54389096
I dunno, /mlpol/ was kind of fun.

>>54385359
Can someone spoon feed me on what this image is trying to say?

So Laevvel are/are not humans? And they're able to transition to another gender using surgery? But normal humans aren't trans only laevvel? And most laevvel are trans?

What?

>>54389096
That's more than could said for most of this site.

>>54389091
>implying they had a point in the first place
explain

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>>54389113
Oh god, just imagine /mlpol/ being permanent and them doing raids of other boards with their nazi pony shit.

>>54389091
>Their entire point
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They were angry about rape, so clearly the best way to avoid enticing a rapist is to strip naked.

>>54389091
This is a blue board Anon.

>>54389005

Whatever mental gymnastics makes you feel comfortable anon. I'm of the mind that being a violent idiot has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum you're on. For every left winger who burns a car there's some nutso militia type who thinks god put them on this earth to kill anyone who they deem an enemy of liberty.

https://ctc.usma.edu/v2/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ChallengersFromtheSidelines.pdf

>>54389005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting

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>>54389162
A few anons on /mlpol/ made their own chan if you want to check them out. They competed in the /pol/ cup and got second place which was pretty fun seeing everyone getting triggered over FUCKING PONIES. They're pretty alright desu

>>54389157
Drawing attention to their cause, most likely. A political scientist named Gilad Wolfsfled (IIRC) wrote an interesting book about this referring to what he jokingly called "the front door", "the back door" and "the side door" to media attention. The front door is to be what he called "naturally relevant", i.e. something like a major politician or celebrity. The media will forever seek to cover what's interesting, because that's just its job, and being important (or seen as such) makes you automatically interesting. If you can't be important though, you have to take the "back door", which is to be shockingly weird. That's when you see people lighting themselves on fire, dressing up in weird costumes, stripping naked or saying shit so provocative they know the media would latch onto the scandal. The risk here is that it's painfully easy for your actual cause to be lost in the more interesting theatrics you pulled off to get on TV. In Wolfsfeld's jargon, it closes off the front door. If you strip naked to get the media to pay you attention, next time you're going to have to strip naked and juggle babies if you don't want it to move on to the guy dressed up as a polar bear.

(the side door is being what he referred to as a "natural victim", or someone whose very circumstances garner sympathy, but that's both very circumstantial and irrelevant here)

My dm has gotten into trump a lot and now every orc in our campaign speaks in ebonics and retroactively gave my half orc fighter -4 intelligence.

>>54389207
Whatever you say bud.

When the situation devolves into chao (which it will), you're going to want to have those "violent idiots" on your side, or at least not against you.

Peace is the exception, not the rule.

>>54389229
To be honest I'm pretty sure it's been long enough since the initial wave of pony that the global rule banning them should come down, if for no other reason than Tales of Equestria is actually a pretty good game from a mechanical standpoint and I'd love for it to have a general here on /tg/.

Someone also made an MLP for 5e game and I'd like to ask about its cartoon physics rules and some of the other stuff, but can't.

>>54389223
Wow, some guy killed 6 people

*golf clap*

Now google literally any g20 riot in the past few decades to see what leftist scum get up to.

>>54389286
It shouldn't have come about because it just encourages people to shitpost when they see something they don't like.

Hell, Hiroshimoot should hand out bans for "Not hiding shit you don't like".

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>>54389286
Pathetic.

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>>54388998
Even as a JewGM, I'd play with you Anon, and let you be the Wehrmacht uniform wearing and genocide dealing play you've always wanted to be.

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>>54389291
lol

>>54388436
Read up on Corellon, that shots from 1e my dude

>>54389291
Anon, you don't want to play this game. For any leftist act of violence you can find, you know that I can fight a right-wing one. You KNOW this. It's not a game either of us can win.

Extremism of any kind of bad. That's the only thing you should be taking away.

>>54389291
>Now google literally any g20 riot in the past few decades to see what leftist scum get up to.
I didn't make you google "quebec mosque shooting", anon.

>>54389392
NO ANON, CAN'T YOU SEE? THE SJW BOOGEYMEN WENT BACK IN TIME AND REWROTE THE ORIGINAL DEITIES & DEMIGODS TO INCLUDE THEIR VILE AGENDA PUSHING

>>54389328
I mean, replace either of those with an image of Game of Thrones and you have the same effect.

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>>54389377
Thanks heeb, nice double digits

>>54387227
>came to a thread with a blatant /pol/ trolling image in the OP
>acts shocked that the thread is full of /pol/tards of both kinds

>>54389291

Picking and choosing what "counts" is pretty much your standard partisan shill bullshit.

>When the situation devolves into chao (which it will), you're going to want to have those "violent idiots" on your side, or at least not against you.

Which ones? You were just telling me that they're all bad. Now they're good.

>>54389413
>>54389291

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Do_your_own_research

>
"Do your own research!" is a common phrase used by conspiracy theorists and pseudoscience promoters of various creeds in response to people who are skeptical of their claims. This phrase is a form of the escape hatch (Argumentum ad googlam) used by a charlatan who wants to win the argument but does not want to bear the burden of proof.

>>54389286
I can help you Anon.

There's no cartoon physics rules in Ponyfinder: Dawn of the Fifth Age, it's mostly made to just add horse player characters into regular 5e games and thus it just adds character options, items, and spells to the game. If you have /mlp/eople friends (or are one yourself) then I highly recommend buying the first book in print (if you're the kinda guy who likes to own psychical books), then getting the others in PDF.

It's also called Ponyfinder because it was originally made for Pathfinder, but it was given the full 5e treatment.

>>54386143
>Sort of like how European governments convinced their citizens that their countries would die out if they didn't import hordes of Muslim immigrants. See how well that worked out for them?

Dunno what you're attempting to get at here pal, quality of life even for the poor here in Europe is better than across the Atlantic

>>54389492
No, the cartoon physics thing was part of a different 5e write-up someone did, unrelated to Ponyfinder.

There's this alt right retard at my table who literally argued for forty five minutes that any human that isn't white should have negative penalties to all three mental stats.

>>54389568
Have a name for it? I'd like to also check this out then.

>>54387954

One of my friends is a "Libertarian" who unironically believes in chucking those who would violate the NAP (AKA, Commies) out of helicopters.

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>>54385476
people might be shitting on this guy, and I'm not sure if he is joking or not, but I had a similar experience

>Tabletop association in law faculty at uni
>everyone either conservative or politically incorrect as fuck "no snowflakes allowed"
>fun times with a variety of cast and people, serious adventures taken with humour and classical plots with executed with satisfaction

>group of conservative friends
>they love military shit, weapons, battle tactics and history to different degrees
>Very detailed and realistic campaigns with elaborated plots, action and drama. Never boring

>group of Rowdy friends
>no politics, but the kind you can have fun being an immature shit """"ironically""" and swear a lot while saying nigger and whatnot and poking fun at sjw
>stupidity all around, but there has never been a single argument and its pure unadulterated fun to play with them

>play once in a convention organized by a feminist association, went there as courtesy by our law association
>"You are given a character, and if you are given a female one you can't play it as if it was female"
>wtf does it even mean
>stupidest premise for a campaigns
>couldn't suspend my disbelief for a second: "who the fuck, in the world of warhammer fantasy, dark sun or WoD would give a shit about gays and women in power? as if it wasn't a thing already, have these retards even read the source and lore?"
>game had to be interrupted every time someone was misgendered
>argument arose around if a guy was allowed to have its character be trans and if it would defeat the purpose of what the GM had prepared

won't fool me twice

>>54389604
MLP45E, I think.

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>>54389638
Thanks Anon.

>>54389328
>misogynist
wat

>>54387642
Whats so inherently bad about being tribalisitc? I mean i cant be expected to help everyone so if i have to chose ill Pick my countrymen First. NOT That other guy BTW.

>>54388622
>Rarely will they self sacrifice
Dude the civil Rights movement were organized by be black churches and those protests were literally the definition of sacrificing short term comfort for long term gain. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>54389727
>Whats so inherently bad about being tribalisitc?

At its most basic, it tends to lead to a rejection of new ideas due to their origins. While I hesitate to bring them up for obvious reasons, a good example might be the Nazi's Aryan philosophy. The emphasis on "pure German thought and ideology" - i.e., German tribalism - lead them to a number of stupid and avoidable mistakes, most notably the reject of "Jewish physics" in favor of "Deutsche Physik". Bluntly, this meant rejecting the innovations of Albert Einstein and others because he/they was a Jew.

The result was that attempt as a German atomic bomb was pretty much stillborn.

>>54389727
Mostly because we are facing global problems (mostly climate related) which require international co-operation which can be rocky if you are a tribalistic country

Also insularism has tended to result in war quite often, and war isn't great in my opinion.