How would one slay an Overdeity such as Ao?

>>54380077
Kill Gary Gygax.

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>>54380077
With an anti-Overdeity such as Oa.
duh

On some level I imagine he'd have to have let it happen. Otherwise maybe getting a bunch of the lesser and intermediate deities to team up on him, but the politics of that would be baffling

>>54380077
If a being is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent you can't kill them unless hey want you to.

>>54380077
Ever hear of Ouiyanspace?

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>>54380287
That's bullshit. Being omnipotent doesn't mean he's all powerful. Everything has a weakness.

It's just a DM refusing to let the players have agency.

Castrate him and throw the testicles into the sea.

>>54380331
Yeah, what's next? Killing people when they die?

>>54380344
God forbid!

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>>54380331

Cut into tiny pieces, then unceremoniously toss its remains into Tartarus.

>>54380077
It is said that in the deep dark madness of the Abyss lie the terrible Demon Lords and that among there number are an even more terrible group the Obyrith Lords mad gods from another realm that destroyed their previous universe in a great conflagration. Journey forth young knight through the farthest realms and search through the ashes of that broken land! Find the seed of darkness that still lies therein and you shall find a weapon strong enough to topple AO!

>>54380212
Kekked softly

>>54380331
>>54380344
>>54380356

It's an old meme you dips.

>>54380387
That does raise a point, the obyrinth are from the previous reality or another.
How did they kill their overdiety?

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>>54380077
Grind and out-level him

>>54380077

Maybe destroy the planet they rule over. That might either kill them as their existence depends on the planet... or they will continue to exist but simply rule over a debris-strewn crystal sphere... or they will be freed to take revenge upon the rest of the universe.

>>54380411
Assuming they did such a thing, and simply did not use magic to preserve themselves out of reality.

>>54380411
Obyriths are the first and original rulers of the Abyss, before their creations, the tanar'ri, betrayed and overthrew them. They're not from the previous reality or another reality. Something like Pandorym is from another reality, or the gribblies from the Far Realm.

There are some things from previous incarnations of the multiverse still kicking around, such as the le shay or Draedens (there's an entire layer of the Abyss that actually formed around a sleeping Draeden), but they're as nothing to, and unrelated to, overdeities.

Overdeities are a very specific type of entity. They are tasked with creating, regulating, and maintaining crystal spheres as "projects" given to them by their boss (not all spheres have an overdeity, but we do have reference to Toril, Krynn, and I think Athas all possessing them). That's their job. Yes, things like the Lady of Pain, Asmodeus, and so on may also be a similar class of being, but those two examples have very different jobs. Ao is an overdeity tasked with Toril. Even if he's alike the Lady, the Lady clearly has a very different job as relating to Sigil rather than to crystal spheres (maybe, you don't ask questions about the Lady ya stupid berk).

You can't kill them, or at least there is functionally nothing known that can save their boss. But why would you WANT to kill one? You don't get their job by killing them. You don't get loot by killing them. They aren't statted, so there's no "challenge rating" to get XP for. All you'd do is royally fuck up an entire crystal sphere, even assuming your GM let you do it.

>>54380077
Well, in an old forum RP I was in, I destroyed the Realms' crystal sphere from the outside. That seemed to do him in. Took out Her Serenity the same way vis-a-vis Sigil.

>>54380578
>But why would you WANT to kill one?

This is a stupid question. They're more powerful, therefore they should be killed.

>>54380907
It's true. At some point the only practical way to level up is to just kill god.

>>54380907
So is a sun, are you going to kill that?

>>54381006
sun isn't sentient, therefore you can't kill it, just destroy it.

Anything that is sentient and is more powerful than humans must be killed because one day it could try to destroy us.

Anything that is sentient and is less powerful than humans must be killed because one day it might become more powerful than us.

For the sake of humanity existing everything else must be killed or made impossible to harm us.

>>54381079
>sun isn't sentient
Depends on what crystal sphere you're in, really. Even in FR there's precedence, Chauntea is simultaneously a goddess and a manifestation of the earth itself. So killing her is killing the planet.

Call Raistlin

>>54381079
>endgame of humanity is just a single naked man floating in absolute emptiness, screeching autistically at particles passing by

>>54380578
>why would you WANT to kill one?
What if they're an asshole?

>>54380077
You don't. They fucking work for Yog-sothoth for crying out Loud.

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>>54380212
Oa is not an anti-Overdeity. Oa is a planet.

The anti-Overdeity would be Anti-Ao, or Positrao

>>54381079
>>54380907
Are you severely autistic? You sound severely autistic.
Why you even think of doing that, you stupid fuck.

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>>54380077
>How would one slay an Overdeity such as Ao?
Conceptual death, I suppose. If you destroy the concept of deities or divinity in general, it should be piss easy to kill Ao.
A kid with a kitchen knife could do it, for Christ's sake.

>>54381079
>than humans
Sorry buddy, you mean "by adventurers" I have seen far too many human kings and villains murdered by rainbow parties of rust monsters, half demon half elves, dwarves, half-ogre-half-minotaur-water-orcs, and elves to believe that humanity has any real claim to the adventurer game.

if anything, they're a minority.

>>54380077
Ao is kind of an ass-pull, an omnipotent overdeity in a polytheistic world does not make much sense. I'd go so far as to say someone like Ao is really incompatible with the whole point of polytheism.

>>54380077
Okay. First, we make about a dozen or so weapons that can absorb the supernatural essence of beings, and get stronger each time they do. Let's call 'em Pillars of Souls
Next, we leave them lying around on the planet for the sheeple to find. They take 'em, start slaying supernatural shit with them, absorbing their supernatural powers.
But we have a system built into these weapons that when their bearers meet, they're compelled to fight to the death, and the winner gets to absorb the loser's Pillar.
We let this happen for however long it takes to get down to one. Then we take out the Original Prototype Pillar, kill that hump, absorb their powered up pillar, and start killing lesser gods to absorb their supernatural power.
Once we've absorbed enough God-Juice to put us on level with greater gods, we switch to them until we hit overgod levels.
Then we send our guy who's using the Uberpillar to kill the Overdiety(and the fates, while we're at it), bing bang boom, humanity is free to decide it's own course in life, under our leadership.
t. Barnabus

>>54384971
Overdeities do not function as deities do though.

>>54380411
Did you read on the meta of Ao and friends? Ao has a superior called a being of light, heavily implied to be the DM. The obs are actually just a stand in for Tharizdun or whatever from Greyhawk, because in that setting's canon he forced an edition change, and Wizards is bad about being original.

The obs are literally corporate CEOs, strong-arming the DM.

>>54385190
That's why we need to kill ALL the regular deities to gather enough God-Juice to make the dude we send after the Overdiety strong enough. Duh.

>>54380212
or turn Ao's spouse against him: Eiu

>>54385498
John Madden?

>>54385484
But all the deities put together wont be enough, Ao effortlessly cast them down in ToT.

>>54380077
With a really big gun.

>>54385670
Look, pal. All we need is to clip him once with the Pillar, and we steal a portion of his God Juice, thus leveling the playing field.
Also, we'll obviously have Null-fields in place to prevent his omniscience and all.
Shit man, we've been working on this for over a thousand years, give us some credit.
This being Imperium, they will still fuck it up somehow. And probably in a way nobody saw coming.

>>54384118
What is El? What is Zeus?

>>54380578
I was just using 4th ed fluff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obyrith

>Heavily reworked obyriths make an appearance in the 4th edition of Dungeons & Dragons. In the Demonomicon supplement, the obyriths are described as entities of unfathomable evil from another universe. After consuming or destroying everything in their universe, the remaining obyriths fashioned all of their hatred and hunger into a single, horrific shard of pure evil, which they used to pierce the veil between universes. The shard was found (in the default D&D universe) by Tharizdun, who was instantly corrupted by its evil and used it to create the Abyss. The twelve surviving Obyriths fled their dying reality and entered the new plane, where they dueled several primordials- the beings who would eventually become the likes of Baphomet, Demogorgon, Orcus, and Yeenoghu- for control. The Abyss warped both the obyriths and the primordials into demon lords.

Anyway, all we need to do is kill Tharizdun and steal his powers.