/ore- One Roll Engine General Discussion

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Here's the current draft of The Velvet Book. It's been updated as of today with some new rules including:

>3d Personas
In our playtesting we've found that the default dice pools from MaOCT aren't always compatible with the playstyle of Persona, so we have added rules for playing with lower-power Personas.

>Element Scanning
Rules for detecting weaknesses and resistances have been added to the Combat rules

>All-Out Attacks
All Out Attack rules have been modified to ensure that they are more rewarding to execute.

>Starting Relationships
Some brief rules have been added to cover how GMs should handle players starting with no Relationships (as is typical for Persona) as opposed to a fully fleshes out social matrix (as is standard for MaOCT).

One of our playtesting groups completed their first "Palace" run through and collected a lot of valuable information concerning combat that is being processed right now. If anyone else is interested in playing or, as importantly, signing up to GM, please join the discord linked in the OP.

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Here are the current Character and Persona Sheets. I'm not especially happy with the Persona Sheet so I'm going to revise that this week to something a bit more...interesting to look at and use. But it should work for the time being!

Just reaching out to people who posted in prior threads, specifically:

--The guy who wanted to try and adapt Nemesis for Resident Evil (an amazing idea)

--GM and Players of the MaOCT game set in a catholic school where everyone's monsters are based on horror movies

--I know a couple anons posted about running their own Persona games apart from the Velvet Book discord. Any updates on those?

--How are your games in general going?

Bump

Looking to hopefully get another playtest off the ground. Talked to the prospective GM and it's got a lot of promise. New changes to the system in the recent TVB draft are being well received by GMs and players.

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Here's the new approach I'm taking to the Persona Stat sheet. Already kind of liking it better.

>>54373037
You should have "I am thou. Thou art I." somewhere on it.

>>54373751
Good call. That should be a given.

Looking forward to Wild Card rules

Mid-game bump

One More! Bump

Hopefully we get some comments over night too.

How do these games deal with Social links? It seems like that would create situations where everyone is sitting around while one person interacts with their links?

Also, any fun S-links yet?

>>54380635
Couldn't you just use the existing, satisfyingly robust, central to the game mechanics Relationship rules?

>>54380635
If a DM can't keep the game going for the rest of the party while one player is working on a social link, that's his fault, not the fault of the system.

>>54380635
Go "you, you, you, you"
The scenes happen at once, you move between them.

>>54380635
In the playtests its working pretty nicely. S.Link scenes don't need to be lengthy, and generally it goes down with each character dealing with one of their Relationships in turn. As we work on the GM section those rules will be ironed out better, but scheduling is important: there's not enough time in the day to do EVERYTHING, so you need to prioritize. You can't hang out with all your Relationships without throwing a party, and more importantly the system calls that kind of stuff Quality Time, so you actually need to try a little bit.

So far the playtesters have been loving it. S.Links, it turns out, is an extremely popular part of the game.

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Progress on the revised Persona Sheet. Definitely more space when I assemble it this way.

Trying to decide if I should format the Hit Location/Dice/etc section to have discrete boxes for each, or just leave it as a blank space where players can fill in whatever they need to as it normally is in the standard MaOCT sheet (since there's no standard number of body parts a monster must have)

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Slight update with extra formatting. I may also end up adding specific boxes within the Damage field for tracking your hits, but that may not be necessary.

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To bump with some content:

Debuted a new character last night whose gimmick is that he has a pair of genetically engineered, highly trained attack dogs that he can roll as a miracle. Worked like a charm too until my dice started to be uncooperative.

One thing I'm going to do is modify his Wolfpack passive ability to include a Duration feature that allows his dogs to be rolled as a separate dice pool instead of as a declared action for their user, Los Lobos.

Is there any good MaOCT blogs out there?

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>>54391046
If you go to Roleplaying Public Radio they have a ton of MaOCT actual plays, including a couple that were turned into official supplements (namely Road Trip and Curriculum of Conspiracy)

Also, here's the final draft of the second version of the Persona Sheet. Very happy with this one.

One more bump before I'm off for the day. Been a pretty quiet couple of weeks for ORE discussion.

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How do you deal with losing a Put-Down fight in MaOCT?

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>>54369499
Is there a Dungeon Delving game using this system?

>>54397386
Not yet, though it's a prospect that intrigues me. Reign has enough fantasy elements, magic, and weird monsters to fill a dungeon; all you'd need to do is engineer a framework for exploration and resource scarcity (if you wanted to go the Torchlight route) and you'd be in business.

The classic DnD "guy with a blank sheet of grid paper filling it in at the GM's instructions" probably wouldn't work, but something with a bit more abstraction would be fine. I've done plenty of dungeon-like scenarios in Wild Talents (infiltrating government facilities and criminal hideouts and exploring sewers and alien habitats). One approach that we use is to have 10 locations in an area and roll a set number of dice to randomize the movements of patrols or native life. It's consistently fun.

>>54398514
What would the stats and skills be?

>>54401312
Reign's default Stats and Skills would work nicely actually and provide some very interesting build and action options.

The Stats are Body, Coordination, Sense, Knowledge, Charm and Command. All of them are pretty equally important: Body is your Strength and Constitution stat, Coordination is needed for sneaking and using weapons in any kind of adroit way, Sense is not only your perception but also determines your initiative (essentially) in combat, Mind is a grab bag of useful stuff and Charm and Command are what you'd expect.

Skill-wise is where it gets interesting. Sense skills distinguish between Sight and Hearing and include Eerie for detecting weird magic stuff and Direction-- all of which are vital for dungeon exploration. Body has separate skills for Athletics (to lift up a heavy iron gate) and Running (for running to slide under a closing iron gate), and Coordination has a specific skill for Climbing. All in all they present a fairly interesting array that would be nicely at home in a dungeoneering setting.

So I've been talking with the Velvet Book GMs and one of the changes that we're considering is moving away from the single dice pool Shadows to a system where Shadows function kind of like dwarf Personas, with 2-3 parts @ 1d per hit location, plus the ability to spend AP to add dice, extras and qualities. There's a bit of excitement at the idea which could add some needed versatility and survivability to the system.

>>54405446
Possibly give them all 1 attacking, 1 defending, and 1 useful part?

>>54406047
Right now the only rule is you need at least one part with an Attacks quality. Beyond that it's entirely up to the GM what other qualities should be attached where.

Any new ORE players with questions about the system/games? I've been playing Wild Talents and some Reign for about three years weekly now and can answer just about anything I think.

>>54410169
How does Wild Talents stack up with powers compared to something like Monsters and Other Childish Things? I know MaOCT likes to do it with Attack/Defending/Useful designations to your pet monster's body parts.

>>54410929
MaOCT is based on Wild Talents, and the two share that framework, actually. Powers in Wild Talents have Attacks, Defense or Useful Qualities, and a variety of Extras and Flaws that modify their behavior.

What's different is the dice pools. In Wild Talents, the sum of a power's Qualities, Extras and Flaws adds up to a per die cost, and you spend character creation points or XP to buy up those dice.

For example the basic "Harm" power, which inflicts Width in Shock and Killing either at long or melee range, has the Attacks Quality and either the Mass (meaning it can move and smash things) or Range (meaning it can attack at a distance) Capacities, and a base cost of 2pts per die. Now if want it to penetrate armor we add Penetration+1, which increases it to 3pts per die. Then you buy up dice however you want.

WT uses special dice called Hard Dice, which function as Awesome x1, and Wiggle Dice, that function as Awesome x2, which cost double and quadruple the point cost of the power.

So if Harm with Penetration+1 costs 3 pts per die, then 6d would cost 18 pts, and 6d+1wd would cost 30 pts.

>>54412139
Oh sounds beautiful! My group fell pretty hard into the Overwatch hole, and I was thinking about running either ORE game to do something in such a setting now that Papa Jeff is giving us something resembling lore.

>>54412405
I can't think of a better system to run Overwatch than Wild Talents. It lets you make literally any character you can fathom, which falls in very nicely with Overwatch's mixture of characters and abilities.

Call it ORE-verwatch.

>>54412405
>>54413472
I'd love to help with hashing this out, btw. It would be a really interesting character building challenge.

>>54413602
>>54413472
As a setting, Overwatch is rooted in the Science-Fiction category with a (now very little) focus on mysticism, so that rules out the Divine, Extradimensional/Extraterrestrial, Paranormal, and Psi, and (generally) Life Force Source Meta-Qualities. Remember, if it seems weird, it's either hard light or nanomachines.

Permissions are, for the most part, quite alright as are Intrinsic Meta-Qualities.

I do notice that a lot of abilities in Overwatch are very much gear-related. Most of the time it's about the equipment that the characters have, rather than whatever inborn superheroic traits they have. For the most part. Bastion and Winston are not included for obvious reasons.

>>54414259
That works just fine; in WT you can apply the Focus flaw to powers to bind them to a physical object, be it a magic artifact or a piece of technology. In this case since that's the core assumption we might want to negate its effect since it would, as you said, apply to just about everything.

Are we looking to recreate Overwatch characters to play as, or set-up new characters in the Overwatch universe? Or both?

>>54415286
A mix of the two. One possible player loves the heck out of D.Va, and the other is undecided as of right now. I do want there to be a possibility of you playing your original hero and such. Only because The World Needs Heroes.

>>54413472
The only other system I'd run Overwatch in would be Mutants & Masterminds, honestly. And that's simply because it's so close to the classic comic book approach to heroes.

>>54415347
This can totally be done. I'm not especially knowledgable about Overwatch but I know about ORE and Wild Talents, so if you post D.Va's capabilities I can cook up a character profile. She's the one who flies around in a mech, right?

>>54416471
D.Va and all other characters have their abilities listed on the Overwatch site. In D.Va's case:

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/dva/

>>54416471
D.Va's big thing is that she rides a bright pink mecha. It's got boosters for limited horizontal and verticle movement, a defensive array of lasers that zap projectiles in the air in front of her and can set the mech to self-destruct. It's got a pair of rapid-fire shotguns, and when the mech gets broken, she runs around Zero Suit Samus style with a dinky laser pistol.

Fun fact, every time they work out an update, D.Va's two-characters-in-one-ness breaks the game.

>>54416654
If this thread is still up in the morning I'll take a stab at this. I think we can have some interesting results.