Who was in the wrong here?

>>54364617
The Admech for having such shit defenses on their Forgeworld.

Leandros. He should have kept the matter internal to the Chapter, Titus could have been tested by Chaplins, Librarius and Ad Mech on Ultramar.

If you suspect there could be an issue with a member of your Squad or company you don't call the fucking Inquisition to have him dragged off in chains likely to never return. (even if found "innocent")

Hopefully Leandros was banished by the Chapter.

Titus for not giving her the geneseed

>>54364617
Titus for not embracing the LEFT-tenant one last time.

Why are Brits so retarded about that word? It's LU-TE-NAT. Not LEFT-TEN-NAT. lieutenant@!

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>>54364632
I've always wondered about this

I thought that the mechanicus had access to the best technology in the imperium, wouldnt that fact coupled with their worship of machines mean that their forgeworlds would be heavily defended?

>>54364657
No.

Tau and Necrons can conquered Forgeworlds before.

>>54364657
They are and should be. The fact that the planet had titans yet couldnt defend itself is laughable.

The only thing you could argue is that it was an insignificant forgeworld that stayed away from normal channels as they were creating new technology.

>>54364670
but it wasnt either it was orks

>>54364632
This is the real answer. Also I really find it hard to believe that they just decomission Titans that big in the first place let alone let them around like that doing fuck all like that but escorting the shell was top kek. Also Leandros in that specific situation. He is a cock and forgot not to be a dick to his commanding officer. You had better believe he is getting blackshielded for sending a 2nd company captain to the Inquisition for being possibly warp tainted because muh codex! The chapliancy and the lubrarius exist SPECIFICALLY to deal with those issues in individual space marines at an administrative level.

>>54364653
Fuck off, Frenchie

>>54364653
>It's LU-TE-NAT. Not LEFT-TEN-NAT.
The imperium is british, not american. They say lieutenant the right way.

>>54364708
This. LIEUTENANT means the one who is left tenant. So the British pronounciation is fine. As for why it's still spelt the French way, everything military is spelt the French way.

>>54364746
Got to wonder why burgs have such an issue with the british lieutenant.

I don't think I've ever head people complain about someone pronouncing "colonel" with an r

>>54364822
>lieutenant

BUTTER BAR

>colonel

FULL BIRD

>>54364617

I love it how everyone is defending Titus because Leandros is a dick and the Inquisitor is a pompous fuck.

But remember, Nemeroth pointed out a truly suspicious thing - Brother Captain Titus indeed was surprisingly resistant to Warp's touch. Is it extreme courage and conviction, or inner corruption? It is Inquisition's job to find out.

The Black Templars are always correct.

>>54365152
>It is Inquisition's job
Nah m8, it's the chaplains and librarians jobs, and the captain already said he'd convene with them about it when he returned to the chapter.

Space marine like to do everything in-house if possible, and they can do so because they share many of the same privileges as the inquisition.

>>54365206

Leaving such potentially threatening matters like Chaos corruption of a Company Captain solely in the hands of a chapter, and barring Inquisitorial supervision, is allowing the seeds of Heresy to spread freely.

There is a reason why the Ordos have some authority over the chapters.

>>54365248
>There is a reason why the Ordos have some authority over the chapters.
And there's a reason why the heads of inquisitors frequently roll in chapter fortresses.

>>54365282

Only proving there are reasons for Inquisitorial activities.

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>>54364692

Orks have conquered Forgeworlds in the fluff.

>>54364643
I like to imagine Guilliman had a nice chat with him

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>>54365206
>Space marine like to do everything in-house if possible
Which is why its exactly the Inquisition's job to investigate such things. Every Imperial organisation wants to keep things in-house, Space Marines are often just a bit better at doing it. They don't actively murder every Inquisitor poking around, because that's a sure fire sign you're hiding something and it WILL provoke a response because you don't just murder other loyal servants of the Emperor for no reason. Only the Dark Angels regularly do that sort of thing, and even then only on Fallen related activities and its just Inquisitors "going missing".

>>54364643
>>54365577
I think he'd have been seconded to the Deathwatch at the next available opportunity. Its theoretically a position of honour as befitting someone with experience saving a forgeworld from Orks and showing "commendable initiative" in helping the Inquisition, but its functionally exile to a group where he is guaranteed to have to take orders from Space Marines who care even less about the Codex than Titus. Its a perfect political solution: Leandros gets punished for flouting the Chapter's customs (if not the laws as written), while the Inquisition gets assurances that the Ultramarines as a whole are on the up-and-up at the cost of a single disruptive influence. If Leandros survives he will win glory for the chapter and gain them allies, but will be foroever marked as a servant of the Inquisition. If he dies, he dies serving the Emperor. Everybody wins except Leandros!

>>54365248
There is a difference between a chapter and the fucking Ultramarines.

Let's be honest. If that inquisitor is any good the only thing he would do to Titus would have been to escort him to Ultramar and leaving the matter to the chapter. Titus gets tested by the librarius, The Ultramarines get to do everything in-house, and the Inquisitor has now established a good relationship with a first founding chapter.

Meanwhile Leandros get assigned to clean the ultrashitters for the next century.

>>54364617
It's 40k so every one. The point of the setting is to be a crapsack universe where every one is the bad guy.

>>54366145

Again, you base your judgement on the fact that Titus is a likable character and Leandros and the Inquisitor are not.

No one is above the law. Do you mean that to tell me that possible corruption in the command echelon of first founding chapter should be ignored by the Inquisition and left for the chapter do deal with, but in case of a chapter founded in, say, 36th millenium, it should be investigated?

>>54366145
I think I remember the grey knights taking Uriel Ventris and putting him through pretty extensive and thorough purification rituals before handing him back to the chapter.

>>54366185
Have you any idea of how the Inquisition works?

Yes, an Inquisitor has absolute autority, but that autority is mantained by having good relationships with lots of Imperial bodies and a network of favours to call for.

This is the big difference. If the chapter in question is the celestial lions then you can have their apothecaries getting killed by ork snipers, but if you try to do that to the Ultramarines you are not pissing off a single chapter, you are pissing off everyone that has a good relationshipt with them, which amount to basically half of the entire Imperium.

That inquisitor has two options. Not pissing off a first founding chapter or pissing off a first founding chapter.

In the first case he do some routine controls, maybe he does some ritual but the big part is that he leaves the matter in the hand of the Ultramarine. For which the Ultra will be grateful, and now that Inquisitor the next time he need something he can just call Ultramar and says "Hey, remember when I left alone that Captain? I have a favor to ask".

On the other hand if he manage to piss off the chapter, the next time he need a ship to go to some place he risk that the current admiral will respond him "you are the one that waste his time pissing off the Ultra? The same Ultras that saved my world multiple times? Well, we currently have all ships occupied, I can offer one to you in some months". And let's not talk about all the other Inquisitors loyal to Ultramar that are now gunning for that guy.

There is a reason first founding chapters are allowed as much shit as they do. The Wolfes have basically declared war to the Inquisition. The DA probably have a tally about who made the most inquisitor disappear.

Also, let's look at the situation and the scene. Titus just saved an entire forgeworld from becoming a daemon world. It doesn't really scream "chaos corruption". It's a big different from Titus being found screaming BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD on a pile of corpses

>>54366185
corruption in the command echelon of the Ultramarine so ingrained that the Librarius and the chapliancy can't root out (or are part of the corruption itself) it's basically a worst end scenario because it means basically a new Heresy. I reming you that half of the space marine chapters are ultra successors that are more loyal to them than to the other imperial autorities.

If things have already gotten to that stage then the Imperium is fucked, no matter what would a lone inquisitor do.

>>54366193
The best part was them fighting against the GK captain 2v1 and see if they won. If they did they were guilty because they could have accomplished that only with chaos assistance and thus were to be shot.

>>54364617
Whoever made both the Inquisitor and Player Marine look like Sam Neil. They went over their Sam Neil quota.

>>54365152
Allegedly, the main guy of the game said that in the sequel it would've turned out that he had Khorne's Mark/Blessing (Like that Tau fag from Fire Warrior) and the game would've been about him "going rogue" and "making his own chapter out of other rogue space marines" like the Soul Drinkers.

It sounded pretty dumb.

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>>54366393
That's fucking hilarious.

>>54366185
>Do you mean that to tell me that possible corruption in the command echelon of first founding chapter should be ignored by the Inquisition and left for the chapter do deal with, but in case of a chapter founded in, say, 36th millenium, it should be investigated?
Don't be naive.
Consider;
1) the ultranarines are among the most influential organisations in the Galaxy, and have a vested interest in not ceding authority to the inquisition
2) they can bring down a fuckton of heat in a thousand indirect ways on anyone they feel like, and plenty more direct ways
3) the inquisition, while theoretically having near supreme authority, is a fractured entity
4) the Inquisitor has bugger all evidence outside a rookie marine, with plenty of evidence countering it, including witness from other astartes.

If he'd sprouted horns and started shooting people, he'd put him down in an instant, and if he'd accumulated evidence over a number of years, he'd take it up.
He's not going to piss off the ultrasnfor something like this, especially when he can get a favour out of not doing so.

>>54366433
And they started the fight with Ventris asking the GK "what are the rules?"

The GK said "such an ultramarine" and punched him in the face.

>>54364746
>>54364822
>>54364708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-5iI1pThN4

>>54366337
>>54366379

So basicaly if you are popular in the Imperium you can do whatever you want. That's how they got Goge Vindare you know.

>>54366447
>the inquisition, while theoretically having near supreme authority, is a fractured entity

So much this. The Ultra have probably dozen of Inquisitors that they have helped in the past on speed dial ready to deal with any uppity inquisitor that decided to start shit with them without any compelling evidence.

>>54366172

You're wrong

>>54366489
First, yes, that's called politics.

Second, the Ultra, like basically all first founding chapter, they are popular because they literally saved the entire Imperium multiple times. If the Ultra were actually corrupted all they would need to to is to stop helping.

Who do you think the Imperial navy is going to believe, a lone inquisitor screaming about corruption, or the Chapter that saved the entire system multiple times?

>>54364617
Um, I dunno, the guy with the red cape.

Literally who?

>>54366567

No, its called Ultramarines always getting a free pass on corruption because they are the Mary Sues of Space Marines. The Ultramarines are heretics for their constant lies and execution of their own citizens. Guilliman is a heretic for trying to recreate his old empire and wrongfully seizing worlds away to do it.

But they don't get punished because they are the Marysuemarines. Well at least TItus got dissected for trying to pretend he wasn't embracing the Ruinous Powers.

>>54366648
3/10 because I don't like some ultramarines fans

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>>54366452
wtf I love Grey Knights now

>>54364702
This. Leandros is a top tier shithead, though to be fair he fits right in for an Ultramarine.

Wouldn't mind seeing a sequel to SPHAYCE MAHREENE some day, particularly if we got to cleave through some Tyranids or Tau, and definitely if we got to shit on Leandros' day.

>>54366496
Terrific argument, you sure showed him.

>>54364657
weren't they caught off guard because some asshole didn't report the oncoming ork fleet or something? I seem to recall there being an audio log about it.

>Trusting the (((Inquisition))) even if you've see 20 mins earlier one of them being nothing more than a chaos dead puppet

Yeah, right.

>>54364617
Leandros. Finding out if Titus was a heretic was a job for Tigerius, not the Inquisition. For a codex thumper, Leandros sure did fuck up being a codex thumper.

>>54366059
>Which is why its exactly the Inquisition's job to investigate such things.
True, but Space marines are one of those special cases where the Inquisition will typically let them deal with their own. Mostly because the space marine's status within the imperium is such that if an inquisitor suspects a space marine of heresy and he's wrong, he will wind up being accused of heresy. So better to let them deal with their own issues unless you are DAMN sure there is heresy afoot.

>>54364702
>This is the real answer. Also I really find it hard to believe that they just decomission Titans that big in the first place let alone let them around like that doing fuck all
Pretty sure it was a manufacturing plant, wasn't it?

>>54368081
yes, yes it was.

>>54367234
I remember one of the first logs mention that the local population did not believe their planet would be under attack by xenos. You know how well it ended.

>>54364617

>>54364632
>>54364643
are very good answers.

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>>54368012
True, but in this particular situation all the cards are in the Inquisitor's hand.

1) The accusation is made by an Ultramarine who was instrumental in saving the Forge world and knows the accused well as a commanding officer. The Ultramarines reached out to the Inquisition for help - who are they to refuse?
2) The accused is cut off from the bulk of Ultramarine forces. The Inquisitor is the closest, most qualified person to determine if Titus is tainted having faced unfathomable amounts of Chaos corruption. Given the suspicions of the men under his command it is vital that he is tested stringently before he can corrupt others.
3) The Black Templars are there to ensure the dignity of another Space Marine is respected (and to murder the shit out of him if he tries anything).
4) The accused surrendered to the Inquisitor's custody willingly. Sure, he was put into a situation whereby any response other than surrender would have gotten him killed immediately, but that doesn't matter. The Inquisition speaks for the Emperor. It has De Jure power over Space Marines, even if De Facto it doesn't always. Space Marines might prefer to keep it all in-house, but by the letter of Imperial Law they shouldn't. By allowing the Inquisitor to take custody over him the Ultramarines can't intervene without causing incident.
5) Possession is 9/10s of the Lore. In this case, the Inquisitor possesses the Marine, he makes the Lore.

Holding onto Titus might cause him political problems down the road, but equally, being the guy to successfully arrest a captain of a First Founding Chapter shows he has gigantic balls and could well help him with non-Ultramarine factions. He also gets to decide what to do with Titus while he's being tested, which could well mean that the Inquisitor has an Astartes champion for his retinue for a time. He can now also be able to extract favours from the Ultramarines if they want him back.

Inquisitor Lord careers have been made with less.

>>54364617
Relic for not making a sequel.

>>54366393
>grimnar confirmed chaotic
Burn yiffs now

>>54370212
The Inquisitor holds all the cards but if he's not smart he could still cock it all up. And showing how big his balls are could possibly hurt him more than help him since people he might have been able to use his weight to push around will likely try to keep their heads down and stay off his radar even more so than normal. And then there is the fact he's pissed off one of the biggest most influential sects of one of the most powerful factions in the Imperium. So if he doesn't play those cards right he has fucked himself hard.

>>54370481
Plus with the black templars around if the inquisitor does one think out of line then he's going to be in deep shit.

Anyone else find it ironic that Leandros was talking about following the codex blindly while working with Black Templars?

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>>54366059
>pic
Somehow those proportions feel off, moreso than normal.

>>54370712
>>54366059
T O A D L I N E

>>54370787
MARIN SMASH

>>54364617
No one desu. It takes balls to step up against your CO and while we played through from Titus' perspective, the others have no fucking idea what happened up there. All they have to consider is that Titus is resistant to the Warp. If a Company Captain is corrupted, that's really deep shit for the Imperium. Heresy can work subtly you know. Contacting the Inquisition was a wise and hard decision.

>>54366466
but matt, that doesn't explain why no one pronounces colonel phonetically

>>54371983
Leandros pls go and stay go

>>54372088
It's My Lord Space Marine to you, Heretic.

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>>54364617
Lt. Mira was in the wrong place at the wrong moment and see some daemons .... But thk to the Emperor mister Inquisitor is here to fix that.

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>>54364657
Yeah, there's a HUEG hole in the fluff there. They seem to be every other battleground in the game, but they should be Dwarf Karak level of Hard To Crack. The Forge World in First and Only has a working population of 19 BILLION, not even counting techpriests or the defence force, and was overthrown apparently without resistance by a mere single billion Chaos Cultists. In the Skitarii dex it says there are usually a few billion of those too, plus tens of millions of Kataphrons and similar. The Mechanicum navy is hardcore as shit, their Arks Mechanicus pound battle-barges fairly easily, and that's not even counting the fact the place is fortified, has a billion redundancies in case of accident, has Titans, Ordinatii and Omnissiah knows what else locked away and implant electoos into every civilian that should make them into convenient cannon fodder ready to be armed by the massive factories whenever required as the Lacarymaerta hit the control switches. They should take decades to normally conquer by most standards.

Instead, that all gets entirely ignored whenever some random Space Marine needs to show off. In one of the HH books the major militarized Forge World of Mezoa has apparently but a "rag-tag fleet" of converted traders and even after being reinforced by a Salamander ship has a mere TEN THOUSAND defenders. On a planet of more than three times the population of modern Earth, smaller available landmass and supreme Mechanicum authority, only ten thousand troops so they could lose to a single company of AL and 15k Iron Warriors, and then be crippled for decades because one Magos was killed and one Forgefane was shot up by a few dozen infantry.

There's loss of scale, and there's outright narrative stupidity of the highest order.

>>54370255
T.T

Indeed.

>>54364617
Contrary to popular belief, Leandros is as a Chaplain wasn't present for some fucking reason in Titus' piss-tiny command squad. Titus just suddenly develops warp powers halfway into the game allowing him to survive contact with a powerful warp device with zero explanation (and no, he isn't a blank, space marines cannot be blanks). Leandros is completely justified in the fear that Titus may have been corrupted, which is something of IMMEDIATE concern when you just stopped a Chaos invasion from claiming a Forge World responsible for the creation of TITANS.

There can be no loose ends or leniency when dealing with something as important as a titan forge world.

>>54372751

They weren't the only Ultras in the area and the fucking Magpies and Black Templars showed up as well. If this fucking inquisition dick sucking traitor would have gotten on the phone and dialed up the other Ultras in the area he could have had them bring a Chaplain with them.

>>54372291
Implying she isn't in the inquisitor team now.

>>54372883
Except that if a Company Captain is corrupted, who knows who else is. Leandros was right kiddo.

Titus, for not wearing his helmet for all the events.

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>>54370787
SMASHED AND SLAMMED NIGGA

>>54373218
This is the only correct answer.

Guilliman hears about the situation and Leandros' buffoonery. What is his reaction?

I felt like there were some fairly heavy-handed hints Titus might be legit corrupted, though nothing specific was stated- The fact that all his finishing moves against Bloodletters were decapitations, for instance, sat with me a bit.

Still, they used the name of an Inquisitor (Referencing Daemons Codex in 5th for my source) who undertook the exploration of a daemon world post-invasion, if he was prepping for it I'd assume he would be looking for warp-resistant individuals. I had always hoped Space Marine 2 would be about that, because it would give a chance to show off Chaos in ways that aren't directly related to existing models.

>>54374311
I really doubt he's gonna go off on Leandros for being extra careful around chaos, especially given the circumstances. The inquisitor, on the other hand, better hope he's treated the captain super fairly, unless he wants a whole crusade shoved up his eye of terror.

>>54366648
>always getting a free pass on corruption because they are the Mary Sues of Space Marines
Piss of fuck nugget. No first or second founding would ever accept shit from the Inquisition. And the Inquisition knows not to fuck with first or second founding since that brings down all the other chapters of that founding down on them. It doesn't matter if its Dark Angels, Ultras, White Scars, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Fists, Blood Angels, or fucking Raven Guard, First Founding don't tolerate shit. And an inquisitor fucking with any one of them is an affront to all of their legitimacy and right to operate. And no inquisitor is going to risk another civil war so he can boldly say he doesn't trust the librarians and chaplains of a chapter.

>be inquisition
>pick on a chapter
>100 of their brother chapters declare war on you

It was bad enough when they started shit with the space wolves, and the space wolves have no other chapters to run to their help, if they started it with the ultramarines or blood angels or anyone else (save maybe the salamanders but everyone likes the salamanders) then they (the specific inquisitorial cabal) would not fare well.

>>54366426
>Khorne blessing
Pretty sure this is just memes from /v/ from when the game came out. That was the joke as to why he heals from.combat executions

>>54366185
>No one is above the law
Actually Space Marines pretty explicitly are, they answer only to the Emperor.

>Erm... did someone call the Inquisition? Because they just arrived
>Leandros here, Yes, it was me, I was playing Brother Nathaniel at cards last night and he beat me four times in a row, the only logical conclusion is that he is in league with the Dark Gods, So I called the Order Hereticus naturally.

>>54364617

If he's 7 feet tall then she must be, what, 6'3?

Fuck space marine lore, do a run around on your C.O. like that in the real military and see how deep the fuck you get pushed into is.

Spoilers: the fuck is quite deep, it goes up to your neck

Don't believe me? Every time someone reports/leaks the US government or military doing something illegal their asses end up in jail. There are whistle blower in Leavenworth right now who were 100% justified but that still doesn't save your ass from that long strong khaki green schlong

>>54375173
Who said he is 7" tall?
Theyre meant to be 2 metres + which is 6"5 +

So he is probably roughly between 6"5 and 7" rather than definitely 7"

>>54364617
Why were the BT escorting the inquisition?
Don't they fucking hate each other in the fluff?

>>54375364
No. The inquisition has made a stink about the BT's numbers but they've worked together on several occasions. The Sororitas as well.

>>54373215
>>54373215
Except if you want to accuse a Company Captain of heresy, you'd better have some damn good evidence.
being able to resist the warp isn't it.

>>54375173
what? no. Ignoring the fact that he's not standing up straight, he's definitely got more than a foot over her.

She's likely around 5'9-5'10

>>54374875
Yeah I guess that makes sense. He's seen Chaos corruption in marines at its very inception and knows how truly insidious it is (especially being an ultramarine he had a lot of dealings with the very first heretics, the Word Bearers). He's probably get a stern talking to for taking the codex at such full-retard face value though, and not involving the proper in-chapter resources made to deal with this very threat.

The inquisitor would be downright fucked though. And probably the BT escort would get a foul verbal pimpslap for being lapdogs, something like "your primarch was a cunt".

>>54375364
>>54375459
The black templars are codex adherent under nufluff anyway enjoy being boring

>>54375364
The Inquisitor probably manipulated the Templars by implying the ravens could do a better job.

>>54365517

I really hope he manages to ork up some engines big enough to get that planet moving. Then he can body slam other planets.

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>>54375517
>Guilliman finds out what happened.
>All of it. Mira, the rogue Inquisitor, everything.
>Gives Leandros the "Son, I am disappoint" speech.
>Renovates the Inquisitor's sphincter with his boot.
>Gives the BTs a "the hell, guys" speech that makes them feel just awful about themselves.
>Takes Titus to Tiggy for Soul-Scanning.
>Assuming Tiggy gives the all-clear, sets Titus up as a Liason to the now-Inquisitor Mira.
>As he sends Titus off, slaps him on the back and whispers "don't break her, now..."

>>54364822
>Got to wonder why burgs have such an issue with the british lieutenant.

>I don't think I've ever head people complain about someone pronouncing "colonel" with an r

To be fair, the "kernel" pronunciation is just a corruption of the "colonel" pronunciation, whereas "leftenant" is, while rooted in history, completely counterintuitive compared to its written spelling.

It also sounds dumb

>>54376408

Makes one wonder why there isn't more art of Titus Ultra Smashing that booty for the Emperor

>Titus goes to the Lord General for the Cadians
>Tells them he's taking Mira back to Ultramar

What are you going to do? Tell him no?

>>54372034

see

>>54376560

The modern saying is just a verbal corruption of the original over time.

>>54376582
Because Titus is a secret heretic who would only do that to her once they're married, while holding hands, in the missionary position, with the lights off.

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>>54376657

I think we all need to just calm down here okay..?

>>54375252
Space marines are seven feet tard.

>>54366885
There was a trilogy planned. Part 2 would be Titus breaking out of Inquisition control to fight Chaos as a solo mercenary, he would have been a little unhinged and a little less heroic but be a fearsome enemy to Chaos.

Part 3 was supposed to be his redemption arc, ending with him as the primarch of a new chapter of Space Marines.

Or so I read, could have been bullshit.

>>54376820
That's not a hard ceiling, some are bigger, some are marinelets.

>>54366185
>no one is above the law
Except the inquisition, rogue traders, ecclesiarchs, mechanicus, and yes, space marines.
And that's just off the top of my head.

>>54372482
Wow, not content to constantly whine about this in /hhg/ you're just gonna do it at every possible opportunity huh?

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>>54375521
nope, not any more.

>>54375173
>tfw no 6'3 soldier gf
Why live?

>>54376820
There's been a fuckton of differing sources on Marine height.

They're usually depicted around 6'6" though, bigger with the addition of power armour. Mostly because proportions start to look vaguely hilarious after a certain point.

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>>54377172
Just gotta change the number of heads, brah

Reminder that Space Marine was a mediocre game with boring characters. Leandros was the only true 40k character since he was a stuck up cunt that worshipped the Codex Astartes as all Ultramarines should. Titus was as deep as a puddle and boring with little character. The game would have been better if the main character was Uriel Ventris and the guardsmen having actual character besides dumb bong accents and being useless. I hate that the game was so shallow and lacking the otherwise brilliant Warhammer atmosphere found in DoW1 and 2.

>>54377055
Not the anon you're replying to, but I never understood the anons who insist that 40k has a solid canon now that's kept consistent, when even GW changes their mind with just about every single book; nevermind how full of contradicts BL is.

Though it's funny that it would seem they gone totally in the opposite direction.
>BT have anywhere between 4000-6000 marines. No one knows for certain
>BT have about 1000
>BT have many fleets of many thousands of marines! INFINITE BLACK TEMPLAR!

>>54377252
Nigger

>>54377172
>They're usually depicted around 6'6" though
Are you legitimately retarded?

The fucking height comparison in Nottingham is a 7 foot tall space marine. Jes Goodwin always said marines were seven feet tall. The statue was seven feet tall. They are not "usually" depicted as 6'6" at fucking all.

>>54377012
No, per word of god from GW Space Marines are seven feet tall. It's only freelance authors who say otherwise. What makes Primaris Marines special is that they're 8-9 feet tall as a rule.

>>54364617
Leandros.
The Guard, Inquisition, and Titus all made the right moves given their circumstances.
Titus should be tested by, and if the circumstances demand it, executed, by his Chapter.
Not the Inquisition.

>>54377815

Did Dark Imperium state the general height of a Primaris or is that just logical deduction?

>>54377055
Okay, let's see. Black Templars have "thousands of warriors" per fleet.

They have "dozens" of bloody crusades.

So if we assume three dozen to low-ball the plural, and three thousand marines per fleet to low-ball that, they have at the low end somewhere around 100k marines.

That's outright legion strength.

>>54364822
>mfw I'm a burger and I prefer the British pronunciation

>>54378305

British shit always sounds classier. And when it's a woman pronouncing it? Oh baby

>>54367721
>((()))

Fuck off, Nazi

>>54378305
>mfw I, too am a burger, but use either pronunciation depending on the circumstances or my whims.

>>54376952
>him as the primarch of a new chapter of Space Marines.

And that's how the Primarchs were made children.

>>54373215
>Except that if a Company Captain is corrupted, who knows who else is
>full scale corruption in the ultras, as well as potentially the magpies and the bt's
so, worst case scenario is a second heresy, and you're just gonna hope that the inquisition doesn't fuck it up? also, if they're all corrupted, and you know inquisition agents can be corrupted, how do you know that this inquisitor isn't also corrupted?

>>54364746
>This. LIEUTENANT means the one who is left tenant. So the British pronounciation is fine. As for why it's still spelt the French way, everything military is spelt the French way.
So do British people say "in left of flowers" instead of "in lieu of flowers"?

>>54375250
pretty sure the ucmj does not have any sort of whistleblower protections

>>54378448
>expecting consistency from the creators of the English language

>>54375250
>do a run around on your C.O. like that in the real military and see how deep the fuck you get pushed into is.

B-but muh request mast...

>>54364617
RELIC for wasting money on real live rhinos
SEGA for not reviving this series

>>54378095
It was actually from one of the authors at the con.

>>54378538
>from the creators of the English language
>comes the new hit sensation that sweeping the nation
>[explosions and fanfare, hard rock starts up]
>AMERICAN ENGLISH!!
>[quick cut to BMX jumps, corn fields, strike aircraft bombing shit, and huge-titted beach bunnies playing volleyball ad infinitum]

>>54364708
>They say lieutenant the right way
>right way
Bullshit, they say it the left way.

>>54379053

WWWWWW

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>>54364617
Magnus. It is Magnus' fault. Everything is always Magnus' fault.

>>54364617
>>54364643
>this

>>54364653
because we're English not french.
every time you say LU-TE-NAT, you're saying "I like frogs legs and surrendering"

The word is pronounced lu-tenant.

If you say left-tenant, you out yourself as a crooked-teeth fallen empire little shit.

>>54378568

Lets face it, it wouldn't sell. If its developed by nuRelic post-DoW3, it definitely won't sell.

>>54377815
GW is a fickle god, Space marines range mildly in height.

>>54379161

I bet you like hurbs on your fish fill-its.

>>54379882

I don't know why but this made me laugh a lot.

>>54376952
Now I'm even more sad that there will never be a continuation.

>>54378249
Not sure how canon this is, but 6th ed space marine codex had a passage in it talking about BT crusade fleets. Said something to the effect of, some crusades only have a couple squads in them, others full companies.

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>>54377317
>but I never understood the anons who insist that 40k has a solid canon now

I never understood why you love to suck dicks so much. If you think 40K has no solid canon, then give me an official statement from GW. Until then you can fuck off.

And by the way, the Black Templar number change, according to Guy Haley, was mandated by GW's management. Why? Because they realized how much a cocksucking cunts the Black Templar fans are.

Returning to the canon issue, Laurie Goulding has the final word on it (picture related).

>>54364617
The retards not wearing helmets?

>>54374815
>show off Chaos in ways that aren't directly related to existing models
I'm pretty sure the IP-protection mafia breaks people's legs if they try that any more, anon.

>>54376408
Man, I have no idea where people get the idea that Ultramarines in general, and Gulliman specifically, gets treated like a Mary Sue...

>>54378538
I remember Eddie Izzard doing standup, and making a joke about 'Yes, but we pronounce it schedule, because it has a fucking h'.
And my immediate thought was 'oh, did you learn that in shool?'

>>54382731
1)Is there something really cool he did to justify his existence? Because every single thing I've ever seen him say makes him seem like a jerk and a hack.
2)Does he even work for the company any more? I thought he'd left, rendering this whole point moot (or just bait, I guess)

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>>54382731
"Often folks ask if Black Library books are ‘canon’. With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. There are certainly established facts – the current Emperor is Karl-Franz, the Blood Angels have red armour, Commissar Yarrick defended Hades Hive during the Second Armageddon War. However, to suggest that anything else is non-canon is a disservice to the players and authors who participate in this world. To suggest that Black Library novels are somehow of lesser relevance to the background is to imply that every player who has created a unique Space Marine chapter or invented their own Elector Count is somehow wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."

>>54382953
>BL author interview
>trusting non-canon authors authority on canon

Bruh.

Is it actually confirmed that Space Marine will not be receiving a sequel? I mean, a lot of shit has changed in the past year. THQ is back as THQ Nordic, DoW3 did kinda bad, and Relic needs a quick shot of fan service to redeem themselves. SM2 would be a good way to do it.

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>>54382953
Laurie Goulding the main editor of the FW and BL HH > a freelance author

Laurie Goulding whose job to keep the integrity of the fluff repeatedly said that ADB got it wrong.

>>54382853
He doesn't work there anymore but his words are the last comment on the canon by anyone of worth in GW.

Also he is hilarious in his disdain of "oldlore" and warseer nerds.

>>54376820
Maybe some are , but not all

>>54366466
Whenever I see one of his videos I always think he might be the most uncharismatic person I have ever seen.

>>54364617
DAT ZOGGIN' LEANDROS GIT!!
-A random Ork Kommando

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>>54378305
>Being a teaboo

>>54383210
Someone on /v/ claimed that Relic said in a interview that they want to make a few RTS before giving a shot again to TPS.

>>54366426
Reminder that there is (or at least was) a Grey Knight with the favor of Khorne.

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>>54364617

>>54393019
>teaboo
That's a creative name, but being that my ancestry is Irish I'm inclined to not like the British.

>>54378249
>They have "dozens" of bloody crusades.
I think you're misinterpreting this. I read it as those fleets each embark on dozens of crusades consecutively. It's not happening all at once.

>>54393019

Is this pronounced "tea-a-boo" or "tea-boo"?

>>54396063
probably the former.

>>54366426
I thought the SM sequel was supposed to be Titus getting recruited into the Deathwatch.

>>54382953
You can quote Gav Thorpe, a codex and black author at him. You can quote Laurie Goulding's recent interview where he says all 40k canon is cool, and if you don't like what he wrote, it's fine because it's only his personal take on the story.
It won't matter, you already lost. The only winning move with Carnac is not to play.

>>54396543
>and if you don't like what he wrote, it's fine because it's only his personal take on the story
He was saying you're free to headcanon all you want. That doesn't contradict his previous statement that new fluff is canon and old fluff isn't.

>>54383216

goddamn, did they change Ollanius Pius again?

What is it now, a fucking Knight Titan to stand up to Horus to try and save the Emperor?

>>54396882
Not that anon, but, why would we care about 40k canon then? If it's not a contradiction then he's saying that "canon" is just the personal take of whoever happens to be writing it. Which certainly explains the nonstop retcons and flipflops, but honestly why would anyone care? It just means whatever's canon now, can, and historically will-be, just be overwritten by the next author's personal opinion.
If anything, it's quite silly that you seem to be spitting the word "headcanon" like so many do on this site, while praising an ascended fanboy's headcanon over that of 40k's creator, which will just be overwritten by another fanboy's headcanon in due time.

People here take 40k canon much to seriously for what it is.

>>54382768
They broke.

>>54395486
>My great great great great granddad came from Glasgow but i say he's Irish so fuck the Brits.

>>54395486
Why are plastic paddies so embarrassing? Why don't you give more money to a bunch of Marxist drug dealers to kill Irishmen?

>>54378379
can't tell if srs

>>54377252
>besides dumb bong accents

Are you seriously complaining about 40k characters having british accents?

Fucking Yanks.

>>54364822
I used to work at KFC and loads of people asked for colon meals

>>54397073
Because there are storylines and things build on each other. Canon matters especially in lore discussions. You headcanonfags insist on making it annoying and hard to have them. And 40K's canon is as serious as any other setting. So immensely serious. It's very annoying to see guys who don't care about 40K try to lower its value to push forward their shitty headcans.

>>54396543
What possessed you to lie like that about based Laurie Goulding? You are worse than a thousand Warseers.

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>>54365152
>Nemeroth
taken from us too soon.

Honestly, if Chaos Lords had even a modicum of his style, they'd look so much better.