/btg/ - BattleTech General

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Hyper Kinetic Rabbity Thing sensors active.

>>54364268

>and here we see the Strana Mechty Happy Bunny being preyed upon by its natual hunter, the Green Cockfalcon.

>>54364330
Do you even Sam and Max?

>>54364338

Apparently not, though I see it now.

Who here uses miniature rules for TW. I can't find any batreps for it and I'd like to know who else but my group does it.

>>54364386

Nope, just hexes. We tried once but it bogged down in arguing over LOS.

We do use 3-D hexed maps rather than just the printed ones though.

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>>54364386
I used to have a table a long time ago that I custom built to play Battletech on using the Miniature Rules. It was... 4'x6' I think? It worked okay, but yeah, a lot of futzing with the LOS rules. Of course, back then we used the BMR, so things might be different now. It was alright though. Wish I had the space and time to build another one.

>>54364748
>And I wouldn't be here without the efforts of my teachers.

If you don't work directly in a STEM field, you shouldn't be anywhere at all. Especially here. Non-STEM aren't really even people. They're all just completely irrelevant to the furtherment of humanity.

>>54365420
Yeah yeah, go have a wank or something.

>>54364111
You sound motivated and dedicated. Come to Finland, I am sure we can work something out.

>>54365865
Or don't , the current finnish goverment is actively trying to kill the standards of education we have at the moment for some reason, seriously the prime minister seems to down right hostile to any academic work.

>>54365968
Least it's better than being America,

t. Britfag.

Hey /btg/, remember when we made a mech that would actually work for the one Spheroids "No Lance, only Swarms of Lights." tactic?

I believe it was as simple as taking the weapons from the three mechs he used with this trick with and bunging them into one chassis.

>>54365968
Well, he is both an american-styled christian doomsday cultist and a get-rich-quick nouveau riche market gambler afterall. Toxic to everything reminiscent of an ordered, optimistic and fair society.

>>54366058
>he said talking on an American image board about an American game

britcucks are the worst

>>54366657
>an American image board copied from Japan about an American game copied from Japan
fixed that for you

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>>54366683

So, what faction has the best educational system? Does GOAST BURR bias apply to that too?

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>>54364268
That guy has patrician taste in comics.

>>54367178

Best for top end is the Suns, far and away. They also have Skid Row/The Outback which gets neglected pretty badly and drags down their overall rates.

TC has the best literacy rates but derps out pretty hard after teaching people to read. Higher education is pretty shitty.

MoC has the best medical program outside the Clans.

Dracs have the shittiest educational system overall. Military programs are (allegedly-NACMA gets better stats) the best in the Sphere but unless you're nobility or from a rich, connected family you're unlikely to get much past primary school.

Best overall is probably either the Lyrans or FWL.

So depends on the area or how you mean the question,

>>54367663
And since FWL is kaboomsi, we can arrive at the end-result of Lyrans being at the top.

>>54367178
It's kind of a mixed bag
The taurians had the best system for the average josé, at least before they blasted with the retard hose and fistfucked to death, and are in the periphery anyway and you said IS
The suns have the clear best high-end education, but that's only in a few places, while they have just about the worst in a much greater number of places
probably the lyrans or FWL would have the best education system in the IS proper, though by the Darkest Age the stoners' magic probably means that they somehow pulled super education out of their asses

>>54368676
>Stoner super education

It's called sending your kids to Comstar College in Australia.

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>fire-blackened spaghetti

HAAH WAAH WAAW WAAH HAAH

Oh god this writing is glorious.

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>yfw you realize if Clan Wolf had not single-handedly equipped Wolf's Dragoons then later on after the Refusal War they would have had the gear to arm 2-3 full galaxies of troops

ffs

CGL dead??

Yes, if Dragonfire does not sell.

>>54367663
>people to read. Higher education is pretty shitty.
>MoC has the best medical program outside the Clans.
>Dracs have the shittiest educational system overall. Military programs are (allegedly-NACMA gets better stats) the best in the Sphere but unless you're nobility or from a rich, connected family you're unlikely to get much past primary school.
>Best overall is probably either the Lyrans or FWL.
>So depends on the area or how you mean the question,


IIRC from Handbook: FWL, higher education is waaaay oriented to bussiness.

>>54370059
Two points
1) Most of the stuff given to the Dragoons where what Wolves considered to be 2nd or 3rd rate at best, most of them being mothballed designs going all the way back to Exodus, worn out machines that got refurbished a bit. The only really big thing where the Warships that where given to the Dragoons

2) Clan Wolf was Warden Clan meaning that the Invasion to Inner Sphere was something they wheren't going to take part of or atleast wouldn't have if it wheren't for the machinations of the Smoke Jaguars and Jade Cocks ensuring that the Clan Wolf would take part in the Operation Revival.

I bet they would have been just happy watching on the sidelines all the Crusader Clans fumble through it, getting their shit kicked in even harder than they did, Ulric popping popcorn and laughing his ass off to the Smoke Jaguars and other Crusaders fuming in the Grand Council on how badly they have fucked up.

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>>54370206
Nonsense! Dragon Fire sells like hotcakes! House Kurita, House Steiner, ComCast, even House Dracula buy Dragon Fires hand over fist!

>>54370912
What do we even know of how much of the Goons' clantech was brought along, and how much was manufactured from schematics in the IS itself?

>>54370912
Just saying, the amount of gear was ridiculous looking back. I guess it's no wonder the Falcons bounced back with supplies caches and the Wolves under Vlad never did.

>>54364418
This is what I love most about battletech vs something like 40k.theres no stopping tin the middle of the game to argue about whether or not you can actually see what you're shooting at.

Instead you just stop because it's been two hours and the rolls for fire mean that you've just finished turn 3

>>54371883
Don't forget the Wolves-in-Exile were gifted a load of stuff by Ulric. That lack of gear hurt the real Wolves in the years to come.

Like the Werewolf? A McKenna that was never mentioned before until Phelan's special snowflake Clan subfaction got started.

Plus I think the W-i-E got factories in a trial with the Bears. Might be misremembering that part.

>>54364117
why are battle tech fans so obsessed with the urbanmech? It's a walking trashcan

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>>54372395
>It's a walking trashcan
That's its appeal

>>54372395
It's because we're all trash on the inside. You belong here.

>>54372395
All the previously stated facts are correct, but it's also like a... battletech rubik's cube of stupid. You always have to do some headwork on how to use your units in their current enviroment, but for urbies, it's always even harder. And you feel super satisfied with yourself when you get one to work.

>>54371017

According to solid canon, they didn't bring anything bar IntroTech when they first arrived. Even Natasha's potentially LosTech Marauder only gets those stats in a book of canon rumours and might have been refitted by the Bounty Hunter rather than Natasha.

They only start building Clan gear on Outreach after their last contact with the Clans, and that didn't happen immediately either. The facilities had to be refitted first.

>>54371883

Thing is, the Falcons whipping stuff out of their ass is pretty anomalous to begin with when you look at the rebuilding of others who were hit hard and coincides with Elias Crichell's magical foresight Sibkos who just so happen to be ready in such numbers as to make the rebuilding process possible in the first place. I think it has a lot more to do with having someone on the writing team being willing to argue their case than anything else.

>>54371926

Bears lost a mobile factory and gained Ragnar. Three guesses who got the better end of that deal.

>>54372824
>Bears lost a mobile factory
was that the lupus major space station?

>>54373679
>Bears lost a mobile factory
>was that the lupus major space station?

No. It's never lupus.

>>54373764
NEA, do you know if the Werewolf (McKenna class battleship) ever appeared in canon before the Wolves in Exile were formed?

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>>54372529
Urbies are great and making configs for them is great. Urbie IIC is blasphemy with its 3/5 movement profile.

Quick, everyone post your dankest Urbs.

>>54374079
Holy fuck that's a dank urbie.

>>54373842

As far as I'm aware, the earliest sourcebook mention of the Werewolf was in FM: Warden Clans. It *may* be mentioned in the Clan Wolf phonebook somewhere, but that source is pretty bad about accounting for WarShips.

>>54374556
While we're on the topic, how would you rate the various SL-era battleships? Aside from the McKenna, which everyone already knows is great

>>54375000

Rated how? Against what? In what context?

The latter is particularly important, because of the ludicrous material advantage the SLN had over the Houses. SovSoys are a perfect example. One SovSoy sucks. When you put 8 SovSoys against a single House WarShip (which is, frankly, a reasonable historical scenario), the SovSoys are still going to win, even thought they individually suck. Meanwhile, if you view WarShip combat through the lens of Jihad-era play, that material advantage is completely gone and so ships have to be judged on how they perform individually...even through the House WarShips then are specifically built for that task and the old SLN ships aren't.

>also, taking kid to violin lesson and then meeting wife for dinner out, so if there's an answer I'll have to get back to it later tonight

>>54375000
Texas seems pretty solid.

>>54375425
My bad, I meant more like how do they stack up against each other and maybe the McK

>>54375000
>>54375000
different anon here with very short summaries
>Farragut: Savage Ngauss Bullying/10
>Texas: Very Nasty/10
>Monsoon: More like Meh-soon/10
>Du Shi Wang: Mislabeled Cruiser/10
>Atreus: Purple Bird Stronk/10
>Dreadnought: A Good Destroyer/10
>Stefan Amaris: Undergunned/10

>>54377202
>>Stefan Amaris: Undergunned/10
Not
>Warcrimes/10

You had one job dammit.

>>54374556
There's also The Falcon and the Wolf scenario pack, page 54

>>54370059
what's that reflection? you got a bigger version?

>>54379010

something for another board

>>54378196
It's actually not very good at orbital bombardment, though

does anyone have a good reference for mechs that would fit in a Lyran training battalion?

>>54379468
late succession war era.

>>54379468
Panthers and Jenners.

Plus metric fucktons of bugs.

>>54379468
Chameleons and bugmechs and probably some Commandos for Lyran flavor.

>>54379540
LCAF, drac mechs.
anon...
Chameleons, bugs, maybe a spare Zeus you know for scouting and all.
If Crescent Hawks Inception taught us anything, bugs and a Chameleon, till you get raided.

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First night playing a Mackie 9h on the table. My god is she a nasty dick gun having girl. Light night lance on lance random roll on megamek with a buddy Shredded a Prefect and Griffin that tried to tag team me. Then threw fire for the rest of the match.

>>54379468
Atlases and Zeuses

>>54379981
The non-primitive mackies are absolute beasts, it's great

Lyran scout lance joke aside, who has the most Atlases or Atlai?

For some reason I'm taking a shot in the dark, the Dracs?

>>54380016
I'm so sold, worth every penny of BV, are there any with DA toys?

>>54379981
Welcome to the Mackie Side. There are complementary olive drab paint cans by the door.

>>54380032
>I'm so sold, worth every penny of BV, are there any with DA toys?
Unfortunately not, as far as I know. My Mackie IIC continues to be noncanon.

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>>54380094
Canon or not post it please.
Also more mackie art please. Till then have an Enforcer.

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>>54380154

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>>54380164
Brutal loving them thanks for posting.

>>54379591
I can see LCAF training unit having an aggressor lance or two fitted with Draconis Combine or FWL mechs.

>>54380240
I've read a decent amount of the lore, and I've never heard of aggressor lances, and in real world normally it's not the real deal.

Is it a thing in BT?

>>54380255
>and in real world normally it's not the real deal.
in real world we're not usually mired in wars of attrition against the same two neighbors that go one for centuries

>>54380276
Depends where you live lol.

>>54380255
Nothing lore based, just an idea I had what with the salvaged enemy mechs being used fairly regularly in frontline units. Couple of examples could trickle down to training units to familiarise cadets of the mechs they would meet in real combat. Sure you can do that in Holo training, but it's usually kinda different in field training when you have bug mech and Panther is rushing at you blasting it's powered down PPC at you.

>>54380360
That does make sense, but just wondered if there was some lore I was missing. As a Steinerboo, I still love me a Jenner.

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>>54380032
>>54380154
Glad to see another anon embrace the power of the fat spaceman
Have four mackies, 50s era except for the WoB one

>>54380154
You know I didn't realise it before but Enforcer is truly Mackie in medium form, what begs the question what are the Mackies of heavies and lights, well Lights I would Urbie but for Heavies?

>>54380164
Come to think of it, if Mackies where in production up until the Amaris Civil War, did the SLDF take any of them with them and why hasn't there been a Clan version of said mech as they seem to have hardon on everything Star League?

>>54380948
The SLDF probably took a fair few with them, but by 3060, the supposedly last Mackie in Clan space was a shitty primitive that Russou Howell made Horse pilot to fuck with him. Other than that, they probably just never wanted to build one.

>>54380255
Well, ComStar has set up a galaxy of clan mechs after Tukayyid, using clan formations and clan tactics, and dubbed it 'Agressor Galaxy.' The concept is definitely known.

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>>54380859
Enforcer is my all time favorite mech.

An anon had his sister draw me one and it sits on my office desk at work.

>>54381070
It's a great mech. I have a absolutely rotten luck with them though.

I love a good davion trooper medium lance with 2x Enforcers and 2x Centurions

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>>54381205
I'm kinda cheating but throw them with a Griffin and a pixie. They do work amazingly well with centi's too.

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I just found an old stash of mine, clickytech Jade Falcons. Apparently I've still got a full trinary of them too, though it's hardly balanced. One Star of Koshis (three 3s, two 1s), another Star of 4 Eyries and a Spider 8Xr, and a heavier Star with a Shrike 3, a Jade Hawk, Timber Wolf, a Gyrfalcon, and an Uziel. I've also got a mixed Star of Elementals and Clan Battle Armors. Kinda wish I had another Star of omnis so I could form a Nova

>>54375000

Article-anon here. Basically I would say:

McKenna
Farragut
Atreus/Stefan Amaris
Texas
Monsoon
Du Shi Wang
Dreadnought

At least in terms of ship-on-ship combat. Roughly, any way. There are other concerns you might have like logistics.

>>54375979

Yes and no. It has brick armour which lets it facetank most things up to the Destroyer range while lel-ing, but its Nose and Aft arcs are completely empty and while it has big weapon bays it doesn't have very many of them.

The Texas is the biggest beneficiary of the ECHO rules, because in previous rulesets it was very easy to park things in its Nose and Aft hex lanes where it could do all of jack and shit about it. Now you can ECHO at least one weapon arc onto the enemy.

It does shine as a command vessel or when paired with NAC boats like the Aegis. That way it can add some more guns to the fight, cover them with its NAC-40 so nobody with less than 400 armour on a given facing (ie, all of the ships at the time) are too shit-scared to close, and pick of enemy ASF squadrons with those stupid huge NL batteries.

In terms of 1v1 it's not particularly great.

>>54379290

>8 Killer Whale launchers to throw Peacemakers for 20 minutes straight
>"not good at orbital bombardment"

But even with its normal guns it's pretty good at orbital fire support. Get the planet in the right arc and you can dump 3 dual NAC-30 bays, 3 dual NAC-25 bays, and a triple HNPPC bay on the surface for 3,750 damage plus the Peacemakers at 10,000 each. There are ships that do orbtillary better like the McKenna, but it does a pretty good job.

>>54380032

>For some reason I'm taking a shot in the dark, the Dracs?

Lyrans by a long shot.

>>54380976

Invader Galaxy, but yeah. They used it for OPFOR training a lot.

>>54381517
No Summoners or Hellbringers? They had both, though I traded my Summoners away. The Falcons were also pretty damn short-changed on the ranges, same as Steiner, but with better cooling.

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>>54381805
I wanted some Hellbringers, but I was never able to get a hold of any. Honestly, I think the only Summoner I saw was a Ghost Bear one. My LGS wasn't too crazy about the Falcons, so most people either sold them off on eBay or asked for incredibly steep trades. I'm just happy that I still have the totem mechs, though I wish I could've gotten at least one more Eyrie for a pure Star.

iirc, the whole thing for Dark Age Falcons was that they preferred getting up close and personal in combat. 3/4 of their totem mechs are centered around powerful but short ranged weapons, and they're all equipped for Death from Above attacks too.

>>54381941
Yeah, I still have my minis. Same as my Steiner ones. But both factions were utterly fucked when the Wolves rolled out their 16" Warwolves (got all 4 of them) and Kelswas, and the Dracs brought those 18" Shiros (got those too.)

How common is the Charger 1L?

https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-second-succession-war-pdf

>>54384001

Not very, since it's a modified version of an exported 'Mech fielded by one successor state.

>>54384226
I see. My main player captured one after the pilot ejected from a leg being severed, and seeing how pathetic the armor is, I've been trying to figure out what the hell to do with the thing.

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>>54384112
Fuck, and me without moneyz for the rest of the week

>>54380948
The Mackie wasn't iconically SLDF inasmuch as iconic to the Terrain Hegemony, which wasn't really the clans' fetish, and while we're at it, there's a LOT of other mechs that should really have a clan version but don't
But they did bring about a hundred of the things with then, which were mostly buried in reserve caches so deep that even the Blood Spirits didn't crack them open

>>54384750

>remove 400-rated engine
>replace with 240-rated engine stolen from clint or spider
>give 3 ppcs, small laser, 18 HS, and lots more armour
>no really guys i've always piloted an awesome

>>54385329

Who on Earth would you want to give CGL money?

>>54385392

Actually almost all of them got wrecked in the Pentagon Wars and early days of the Clans.

Horse pilots one of the last and it was a museum piece.

>>54385403
People who like book X or Y? If it's a good book, pay for it. If it's shit, don't bother.

>>54385403
>replace with 240-rated engine stolen from clint or spider

I thought there was some retarded semi-new rule that says you can't do this and needed an engine from a comparable sized mech because of the cost modifiers when initially making a mech in the first place or some such.

>>54376037

Well, your question has been generally answered, but I'll do so anyway because I said I would (and because I sat in construction traffic until after midnight and just went to bed when I got back).

McKenna - best BB, period. Accept no substitutes. (Levs aren't BBs).

Farragut - can and will kill anything smaller than a Texas in short order; 18 HNGRs are a very solid battery, and the backup weapons allow nukes and get meaner as you get closer.

Texas - I rate the Texas higher than most because of its armor; it's not got the best weapons, though its weapons work better than they look. The blind spots are less of a problem than you'd think as long as you stay at medium+ range, which the Texas wants to do anyway. Can't compete against the Farragut and McKenna, but really nothing short of a Lev can anyway.

Stefan Amaris - Somewhat inefficiently-gunned, but it looks badass. I like its weapon/armor ratio better than that of the Atreus.

Atreus - Overgunned and underarmored. Not overgunned enough to make up for the latter.

Monsoon - Shouldn't be compared with the above due to its age. Clearly not a "good" BB, but its sheer mass allows it to perform adequately against modern cruiser-grade opposition. Last "actual" BB on the list.

Dreadnought - Only a BB by virtue of mass; so old that she shouldn't really count. Perfectly fine when taken against other, period-appropriate WarShips, and she can still perform adequately - even against modern BBs - if you can get to Medium Range, since boating NACs is still a solid strategy.

Du Shi Wang - not a BB, so is last on the list. I don't care that the Capellans call her a BB, she's not one. Forward-canted armament leads to her getting totally BTFO'd in BB combat because all the incoming damage concentrates in her bow, and extreme-range weapons are matched and bettered by other BBs.

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Speaking of giving money to absolute abortion of a studio.

I can't.
This is too much.
I almost fell off my chair laughing at how horrible of an animation this is.

Remind me why do people support these monkeys again?

>>54385453
I would personally do 1A5 or 1A9 variant of that Charger. 1A5 if you want close range brawler with 6 run, or 1A9 assault mech that can jump and has decent longrange weaponry, like poor man's Highlander

>>54384750
Either turn it into a knockoff Awesome, or try the Challenger variant, which has four LLs, a ML and a lot of additional armor and SHS

>>54385453
>I thought there was some retarded semi-new rule that says you can't do this and needed an engine from a comparable sized mech because of the cost modifiers when initially making a mech in the first place or some such.

That actually is true; you have to take into account both engine rating *and* match the unit tonnage *and* unit type. So a 300 engine from a Scarabus (10/15) couldn't be used in a Marauder (4/6). You couldn't pull a 300 fusion engine out of a Moltke and put it in your Marauder either.

Engine swapping was "technically illegal" circa BMR (original), but nobody really realized it until early TW-era days when Herb made a big public stink about it. Of course, it was legal for the ~20 years prior to that, so it's not like you're committing a crime - and you're still accurate to published fluff - if you keep doing it anyway.

>>54386969
Fuck Herb. If he didn't want engine swaps, he shouldn't have let the fluff have engines in different 'mechs have the same model and manufacturer.

Lookin' at you GM270, used in both assaults and lights

Or you Vlar 300, used in everygoddamn thing from the Chameleon, to Demolisher II, to Atlas.

>>54385623
'cause they're the ones with the license.

And let's not forget the balance in MWO being changed in ever new ways meant the whales could always go curbstomp people with OP shit, while everyone else was slowly grinding towards an ever changing goal of not sucking.

>>54384112
Who's taking the bullet and buying this for us?

>>54386969
>you're still accurate to published fluff - if you keep doing it anyway
I thought the "a component on 'Mech A was damaged, let's just replace it with a different-sized component from 'Mech B" fluff was new circa BMR era, and that the older fluff was more "oh god my head and arms were shot off, hope I can make the head and arms from 'Mech B fit until I can get the proper parts"

From Adrian on the OF:

>Technical Readout: Star League & Succession Wars. A 'Mech-only compilation. More for newer players, it's 95% reprinted material. I will make a PDF available, with a ginormous disclaimer. There are 90 reprinted entries (including new classic art for some), and new art/entries for the Flea, Galahad and Banshee, and a new introduction.

I guess something to go with the Battlemech Manual. Presumably they're both Gencon releases. Not all that exciting, but if people want just robots, I don't see a problem with that. Also, new Banshee art = more badass shades.

>>54387421
you should

>>54388228
I have, many times before. Not this time, though

>>54388023
>dat title
Hope for unfucking 3039 retcons at all?

>>54388737
Not with "95% reprinted material", no. I expect this to be a straight copy and paste, though hopefully they at least added any errata. A bit more info was posted:

>3039, 3050, 3058, 3075 and a couple from sourcebooks.basically pre-Clan invasion as far as the chassis, but because of where the entries are sourced it covers anywhere from Age of War through Jihad.

>Which is fine, since in-universe the book is literally a compilation.

But, between this and the Manual, the increased emphasis on mechs is interesting. I wonder if it's a one-time thing, or the start of a trend. DESU I think the game could use a bit of scaling back in terms of unit types anyways.

>>54388023
That actually sounds interesting
Hopefully we get the Unseen with the new shimmy art instead of retarded Phoenix silhouettes this time

>>54387421
I bought it. I'll share it if somebody else shares any of the mini pdf bullshit gap between TTS: Butte Hold and now. I think it's one TTS and two unit spotlights?

Also if somebody gives me the instructions for removing personal data from the pdf. I haven't had to do it since I shared one of the Experimental TRO's I bought years ago.

>>54388823
Knights in laser combat who also happen to knock over some tanks or battle armor sometimes is way better than ultra tacticool all combined arms all the time. I can't begin to say how much reading DA combat sucked with the cheap guns of massed tanks making the mechs themselves seem like little more than flagbearers.

I know that's ironic when you had stuff like RCT's and Marik tank units as far back as the beginning, but it wasn't every single fight being 1 mech to 3 other kinds of units always. Maybe I'd bitch less if those other units at least included a few more asf's.

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>>54388868
Browsing through it, there are a few fun things. LAM's are still on the RAT's even though they're not in any noted operations in the book.

I don't like that there's quite a bit of reused art from later eras, like one of the pictures is from a Blakist concentration camp and another is the famous picture of the Rabid Fox assassin sent to kill George Hasek in the Fedcom Civil War. This is supposed to be a big historical book. I don't mind reused art sometimes, but it bugs the fuck out of me when it's from 3067 or 3072 in a book about the 2800's.

Will give more impressions in a bit.

>>54389166
LAMs being around makes sense: this is still the age of plenty, even if the tail-end and they're starting to feel the pinch.

>>54389166
Hey, quick theorycrafting time.

Any art featuring redone Harmony Gold mechs? I want to see if there's any evidence that might point to something larger with the minis being pulled from production earlier.

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>>54389166
Love the focus on the morphing of the Comstar that was simply the Communications branch of the Star League to the old Robes we know and love. Even the opening story sets the stage for that flavor.

I like the nods to all the strange and fun stuff from the old House Books like Combine chain gang stuff.

The book seems more like wrapping yourself in a comfy old blanket full of stuff in the history sections of the old House Books and the original Comstar Sourcebook plus an extra helping of Comstar dickery. In fact, I'd say that's the main draw of this thing so far, seeing all the Comstar dickery and interdictions putting the screws to the Successor Lords in ways not detailed before.

>Shutting down all FWL comms in the middle of their most successful land grab in the Succession Wars until they pay you back the billions of cbills needed to make another HPG on Oriente

>>54389410
I know. They're still around in decent numbers even in the 3rd War. It's just they generally get snubbed from TPTB, so it's nice to see them get acknowledged.

>>54389508
Were any of the new minis even in circulation other than the Shadowhawk? I know prototypes of the Mad and Wasp were done for HG stuff but I never heard they made it to production yet.

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>>54389508
The tech readouts are for the Griffin, Thunderbolt, and Battlemaster.

No HG derived art in the whole book, either new or recycled.

>>54389648
The Wasp made it to production and was online for all of (IIRC) two weeks (so I suppose they'll be collector's items soon if they don't come back). The Valk was on the schedule but was pulled when the Wasp was pulled.

>>54389731
Shit. I really wanted the Wasp. It's one of the most perfect of the redos and I've been wanting to bulk up my bugs forever.

>>54389836
try and dig one up on the secondhand market and get recasting

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So anybody wanna spend a few bucks and grab

TTS:Mizar
TTS:Iron Land
TTS:Old Kentucky
Or Spotlight: Stone's Stoners for me?

Then we can all get two new pdf's today.

>>54389720
Damn that's a nice thud

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>>54389996
They really did all the old boys right in this book. The minis are going to be great.

>>54390036
Man I love the new Beemer. Just great work.

>>54389720
I really like how it has a very strong resemblance to the primitive thud

>>54388023
I just want muh combined primitives print TRO, dang it

I want to see shimmy's osts and quads, now

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CRUSADER WHEN

>>54390036
Unf, wish we got this instead of Alex's. That handheld ppc tho.

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>>54390291
>Unf, wish we got this instead of Alex's

Nigger that is literally "traced" (it's a different pose so redrawn?) from Alex's design.

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>>54390487
I meant this beemer

>>54391197
Yeah no. It's fuck ugly. You'll get your proper Beemer and like it.

>>54391387
I have a feeling you're agreeing with him.
The MWO Beemer is an awful-looking mattress-mech on the level of the Awesome.

>>54389974
Yeah no. Instead, the rest of the thread can have this: http://www.mediafire.com/file/8uw3630y37wu5ew/E-CAT35236_BattleTech_Second_Succession_War.pdf

>>54391898
>two people spend $30 total for the same thing instead of $18 for two different things that the thread folders need

Okay, dude. Your money.

>>54391964
You'd have to pay me to buy anything from the TtS line. You want it, you buy it.

>>54392016
I would have, and shared it here if I knew somebody else was gonna buy 2nd SW and post it here today. Then we'd all be up to date for the first time in like half a year. But you know, fuck that. Better to buy the same thing twice, right? Like I said, your money, you can do what you want. I just don't see the sense in it from an archive perspective. Sounds like a wallet voting thing instead.

>>54392151
No one else gives a flying fuck about the TtS books aside from one or two though. If you want them, get them and upload them. Or don't.

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60% of the time, it works every time. Rawr.

>>54385329

Don't worry, I got you bro. Added to all archives.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/d324pl60514eonz/BattleTech_Second_Succession_War.pdf

>>54385403

Not me.

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>>54392262
Junior, the first thing you need to know about sex is that it's hard to maintain gauss charge with so much fat around you.

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contribootin'

>>54392216
Which is a shame because there's decent fun worlds they could be doing even if they want less known ones like Lackland or Hobbs.

Fuck it. I got Stone's Trackers because I may hate the Stoners but you can only really despise what you know intimately. It's actually kind of interesting. You can tell they based some of the first bit on Nazi hunting stuff after WWII. To see the Republic totally strip them of mechs and dump them as regular infantry on the front lines of the Capellan Crusades where they got murdalized into insolvency was a nice touch on Stone's downsizing of the mechs in the military too.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4dgd8qx692u29j8/E-CAT35SN102_Spotlight_On_Stones_Trackers+.pdf

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>>54392635
I'm still wondering what's up with the mini on this one. I really don't see how HG could claim copyright, since it's a hell of a lot more different in design than the Archer is.

>>54392685
They don't need solid grounds to send some threatening letters. The IWM page is still there, but just says coming soon as well, meaning it may be some other kind of problem.

>>54389720
>>54390036
The two best Shimmyseen with the Locust in third. The rest are "meh" to "eww" tier for me. Waiting on the Stinger, but not holding my breath given the Wasp.

>>54392685
HG can't, at least on that one: the Wolvie is not from Robotech.

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>>54392992
You mean this Wasp?

>>54392992
Locust is near dead last, because it doesn't look like a locust. It looks like a marauder with the dorsal gun moved to the chin and locusty arms. The whole point of the big chin turret in the original is because it should have no waist. Once you move away from the Jenner/Nova esque shoulder legs, you lose the profile of the classic locust. Combine that with taking away the broad v-shaped front cockpit and it's just not a locust.

Not a terribly ugly mech but fails at its purpose of being a locust.

>>54393079
I just like the MWO Locust better myself. It feels more like a Locust, but at least Shimmy's kind of tries to keep the profile of the classic, so that's a point or two towards me not hating it. The giant MG arms are retarded, but I was informed, and agree, that they are for molding purposes so I can't complain about that. White metal is really fragile so thin MGs would be a bane overall.

>>54393053
Yes. I am not a fan.

>>54393178
The shimmy wasp is gorgeous. Keeps all the normal profiles and the quad antennae as well as the hip SRM2 and finally gives us the hidden hand that's been in the record sheets since forever. The face on the Valk is a complete fuckup comparitively.

>>54393178
Frankly the cockpit should be bigger overall, just to give the Locust a more appropriate "20 tonner bottom of the weight chain" feel.

>>54393240
I'd say broader, and ditch the top pane for a hood camera like the old one.

>>54393240
I can somewhat agree with that.

>>54393235
To each their own. I find it too chunky and blocky for my tastes. It looks like a heavier 'Mech even with the SRM2 on the leg and knowing what it is. The Wasp is one of my favorite classic Light 'Mechs so I'm picky about it. Just doesn't strike a chord, sorry.

>>54393178
>Yes. I am not a fan.
I wish the head had a kind of unseen shades look for the cockpit glass, but otherwise it's pretty okay.

The new Beemer is sex minus the positioning of the MLs.

I'm just waiting on any news about the Scorpion. Anyone know if it's even in the plans for the new artwork like the other unseens?

>>54393458
I hope so. I am curious about how it and the Goliath will look, since we haven't seen many Quads out of Shim.

>>54393384
>new Beemer is sex
Yes. I like basically everything about it. Shame I don't play factions that use it much. It's one of the rare instances I like the Battletech version over the MWO version.

>>54393607
>Shame I don't play factions that use it much.

>Not playing FWL
>In /btg/
Heresy!

>>54393651
Memes aside, except for civil wars and getting anally raped by the blue fist germans from time to time, what campaigns can you really do with Purple Burds?

>>54393712
They're better than the Davions at the Davion's favorite pastime of killing Capellans until the 4th Succession War. They like to terrorize the MoC and other Peripherats in their area. Also lots of period stuff related to killing Blakists or Stoners or Steiners.

>getting anally raped by the blue fist germans from time to time
Other way around most of the time bro. What the Steiners get is weird resets at the end of campaigns like somebody putting pieces back on the board when you look away for a moment in chess.

"Wait. You didn't have Timbiqui. I conquered that."
"No you didn't."

Then the internal politics are a lot of fun depending on era.

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>>54393712
Kicking LOLpellans while they're down? or Guerrero, I guess. Once.

Oh hey you can all throw dice to see how many nukes hit Gibson and Poulsbo and Cincinnati! (whatever)

>>54393712
A lot of Marik-Liao border clashing, the combined offensive of 3058, periphery stuff against Circinus, Marians and MoC, and 'peacekeeping' missions under First Lord Sun Tzu in St. Ives.

So no one is going to talk about the opening fiction for 2SW? As earth shattering as it is?

Jerome Blake, not Conrad Toyama, was the one to come up with the idea of ComStar as a religion.

>>54393898
I just liked how it showed both Fochtstar and Blake were wrong on some details but the Focht boys way more so.

>>54393842
>Oh hey you can all throw dice to see how many nukes hit Gibson and Poulsbo and Cincinnati!

You don't have to try and bait NEA. He's on a film gig through the end of the month and won't be around to bite; he just let the Cincy people know today.

>>54395010
Oh boy, I wonder which brand new hopelessly retarded disaster is going yo happen on set this time

>>54393898

I am suprised no-one is talking about the summary of everything we already knew about the wolverines/minissota tribe... they just keep baiting people along. Hoping it ends before I am dead.

>>54395463
>Hoping it ends before I am dead.
>BattleTech
>Going anywhere.
Maximum keks, friend.

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Clans invaded, took your home planet, you got some family name pull.
A mission to get it back.
What 4 mechs do you take
To be fair, one of each category to match the 1stSS 1 light two heavy one assault.
I think I'd go with a wolfhound, grasshopper,t-bolt and banshee.

>>54395463
It's not everything. It's basically the old original info plus calling the Blake Documents bunk and adding a couple modern comments that have the benefit of being written after the Clan Invasion.

But it didn't mention stuff like the 3095 colony find out by McEvedy's Folly because the whole archeology team got killed by Blakists. And that's on the total opposite side of the Inner Sphere between the MoC and the Marians.

>inb4 whoever wrote that story just looked at the name instead of the map and made a Tematagi level mistake

>>54395735
Marauder II, Marauder-D, Marauder-D, that one custom wasp with 6MLs

>>54395881
>Marauder D
????
Which one? 3D? 5D?

>>54395735
>Bushwacker
>Heavy
What?

Anyhow, all you can really get is Steiner or Drac since they're the only ones who got invaded. Gonna have to go Drac with Stinger LAM, Shadowhawk 2K, Warhammer 6K, Hatamoto Chi

>>54396117
fuck you are right... it is a med, I'm retarded. Long day forgive me.

>>54396117
>Anyhow, all you can really get is Steiner or Drac since they're the only ones who got invaded.
FedCom means plenty of Davion toys. And 3050s was when FWL was playing Arsenal of the Inner Sphere and put a lot of stuff out on the open market.

>>54396430
Dude, this mission is like 3051 and upgrade kits are going to line units. Being a Steiner noble doing Steiner politics to get this together won't get you any pull with the military minded Davion transfer officers either. It would be funny if some Steiner officer got rid of a Davion under him for this mission because he was cramping his style and wouldn't party or socialize properly.

>spit and polish bitter officer in his piece of shit old JM6-A providing fire support
Yes, this pleases me.

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Are there any paint scheme guides for the factions? I'm considering making a small Federated Suns/House Davion force. All Google seems to give me are plain green mechs and the blue with red/white stripes scheme. Do they use any other schemes or are those the only two schemes they have?

>>54396730
the fedsuns is big on olive drab and the blue with red and white stripes is the brigade of guards colors.

There's more though, I'd recommending checking out camospecs.com

>>54396730
The Armored Cavalry are green. The BOG are blue with stripes. Avalon Hussars are white. The Draconis March are red. There's tons of others. The BOG are as Davion as Davion gets, as much as the FWL Guards for the Burds, the SOL for the Dracs, or the Lyran Guards for the Elsies.

>>54395818
>plus calling the Blake Documents bunk

This doesn't actually have any weight as far as whether they ARE bunk or not though. Even if they were 100% true, the Clan Council would bluff and bluster about it, and call them bullshit regardless.

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what paint scheme would best suite snord's irregulars, circa Rhonda's time?

I know Rhonda's CCG card is a pink highlander, and camospecs says that snord's irregulars do not have a parade color per se... so it's left pretty open ended.

I was thinking olive drab like the SLDF? Maybe tan like wolf's dragoons epsilon? or per the combat manuals: mercenaries mini?

>>54396849
The article was written for the Sandhurst military academy on Terra.

>>54396864
Read Rhonda's Irregulars itself. The individual pilots all have personal schemes.

>one has fake damage and nothing but fake bare metal and rust
>one painted like a steam locomotive
>one painted like Rom Spaceknight
>one in SLDF royal camo (not parade olive)

It's like asking for the color scheme of Camacho's Caballeros. They ain't got one.

>>54396869
which means nothing. It's quoting the propaganda response of the clans. Even if you're arguing that if it were true, that the author should know the truth or not, it's not as if they tell the secrets of the cult to the neophytes right off the bat.

>>54396954
what is the the SLDF royal camo?

>>54396975
We already knew all the Blood stuff was fake anyhow as far back as JHS 3076 or Terra. That doesn't mean there might not be a couple other small pieces that are true, but nothing that has ever had any proof. The Bears believed and they came up 100% dry.

I swear there's a short or battlecorps story somewhere where Chandy himself says it's all bullshit propaganda he put together but I can remember where. Counterstrike maybe? Fire for Effect? I gotta go look that up now.

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>>54384112
>page 14
>The Rise of The Comstar News Bureau
>Some decried its
brand of solid reporting and analysis as propaganda,
or even worse, “fake news,” but CNB soon established
a commanding market share.

I don't know who's getting trolled, but I sure hope it isn't me.

>>54397090
if you find it, that'd be awesome.

What mechs were used by the time of the battle of Tukkayid? Kind of new to the lore and the ComGuard seemed neat to me.

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>>54397172
Oh man... fantastic.

>>54397519
My ComGuard brethren! I have an entire L3 of painted ComGuard, thanks to a friend who knows who he is.

The ComGuard generally used old Star League stuff, so you'll want to look into Star League mechs. Sarna is a good place to start looking, but I'll save you the time and give you a nice link:
http://www.sarna (notspam) .net/wiki/Category:SLDF_2750_BattleMechs

This list is a good start for mechs that are *generally speaking* available to the ComGuard. Some of the rarer or more exotic mechs on this list aren't available of course, but most of them are.

>>54397602
That's fucking awesome anon. Thanks for the link as well. I'll have to get a collection together and see if i can get some friends to join as well.

>>54397090
Anybody got the pdf's for this? Flipping through the books is a slog.

>>54397699
You'll also want this list:
http://www.sarna (notspam) .net/wiki/Category:SLDF_Royal_BattleMechs

The best of the ComGuard often got mothballed SLDF Royal mechs to drive. Lots of good stuff in here as well.

Further, it's worth noting that the ComGuard relied heavily on combat vehicles, such as tanks and hovercraft, so you'll want to look into those too. Check out the Alicorn, just an FYI, i think you'll like what you find.

>>54397807
>Alicorn

Alacorn.

>>54397519

According to what was canon at the time, all the stuff from TR 3025 and TR 2750 plus the Clanbuster Hussar, Wyvern, Black Knight and King Crab.

I think they might have had a few upgrade kits for the 3025 machines and the Shootist has been retconned in as well.

>>54397807

ComStar having Royals is entirely fanon. In canon, nope.

>>54397947
>SLDF_Royal_BattleMechs
>>54397807
>>54397947 seems right, pretty sure just about all the Royal SLDF 'mechs were sucked out with Kerensky and wound up in the Clans.

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Feeling depressed btg, anyone want some art dump?
If anyone has some BT funny be it stories or memes I'd love to see some.

>>54397947
>>54398119

Not him but it's more accurate to say Comstar certainly didn't use Royals back then.

The Blakists pulled a few Royal units like Mk I LAMs out of some secret stashes later. So there were a few around in C*'s reserves, but not in use. In fact, wasn't the original description in the royal section of TRO:3075 that "Be warned you may face Blakists in these on the battlefield, so we include them here."

>>54398161
2nd Succession War came out today and is in the thread. It's full of good old Comstar being Comstar. If that don't make you smile, nothing will.

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>>54398332
Awesome, I didn't even look up yet. Thanks anon.

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>>54396753
>>54396838
Thanks for the tip. Think I'm gonna make something like the New Ivaarsen Chasseurs and hope nobody more learned than me calls me out for using the wrong mechs for the faction/era/whathaveyou

>>54398382
Well, the Chasseurs are around for a lot of the eras. Good unit, I've played them a few times.

If you're concerned about unit selection, note two things. One, we can help you tune your selections, if you care about adhering to such constraints, and Two, Battletech isn't WYSIWYG, so you don't have to use a WHM-8D mini to represent a WHM-8D, you can use a 6R's mini just fine. If someone has a problem with that, they're probably an asshole and you're better off knowing that ahead of time.

>>54393898
To be honest to me that sounds like someone in CGL didn't like Fochtstar and wanted to go "nuh uh Comstar was allways religious order, previous writers where dodo heads of even suggesting it wasn't"

Personally I liked better when the change was gradual from Toyama forwards.

>>54398546

So now they've flipped from Cray and Herb's "nuh-uh, old ComStar and new WoB are totally religious nutbags" back to them being religious?

Well, it sucks that they've gone back on Toyama's characterisation but I guess at least they're space wizards again.

>>54398456
>Battletech isn't WYSIWYG
Yeah, I figured I could get away with using a standard mech to represent a variant chassis as long as my stat sheets were in order.

>Well, the Chasseurs are around for a lot of the eras. Good unit, I've played them a few times.
I bought myself two of the Alpha Strike lance sets. Namely the Assault lance with Victor, Blackjack, Grasshopper and Atlas, and the Command lance with Cyclops, Raven, Catapult and Cataphract. Hopefully all of those are appropriate for FedSun. If not, I wouldn't mind painting them up as generic mercs, but I do like the idea of a feudal future with knightly, aristocratic pilots.

Mind you I'm 200% newfag to all of this. Played a few games with the intro rules years ago, and have only now found out my local store has Battletech players. I know next to nothing about the fluff.

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>>54391898
Thank you Anon!

>>54398546
I don't like Fochtstar either so good on them. The last good thing they even did was Operation Serpent. The truth being a little in between what both sides believed was alright as well I thought.

Remember in the OG Comstar Sourcebook that Fochtstar made their entire secular argument based on the discovery of "Jerome's secret true diaries" while the Blakists said it was all made up and the ones they had passed down through the years were true. It was kinda ironic they were both right.

Fochtstar also were the ones that accused Toyama of killing Blake by smothering him with a pillow while the Blakists REEEEEE'd about how they were close friends.

God, that's one thing I miss, the little Blakist editor notes in the margins of sourcebooks. Imagine if they had continued that to the end of the Jihad instead of dropping it in the middle.

>>54398641
Raven, Catapult and Cataphract are Capellan mechs mostly, but then again Fedsuns made their own variants of the captured ones so you are fine.

>>54398641
First one is relatively Fedsun. Second is straight Capellan. Pick a Capellan March Fedsun unit and they'll all fit fine.

New Ivaarsen is Draconis March though.

>>54398641
For the FedSuns the Assault Lance fits better than the command lance, but depending on the era(s) that interest you, you could definitely justify both. Nothing in there is impossible, though some of them are unlikely for the Draconis March.

In particular, the Raven, the Missile variant of the Catapult and the Cataphract are more strongly associated with the Capellan Confederation. the Raven in particular will stick out a bit in Succession Wars era play. Why they chose it for a generic pack I don't know.

the Catapult is used by the dracs, though they have a weird ppc and machine guns variant they favor (which you could claim it to be, since non-wysiwyg) that you should be aware of. that and the Grasshopper could easily have been salvage acquisitions.

You could also go with the "hey, I bought a couple packs and I'm playing with what I've got, let's just have fun" approach.

>>54398827
>>54398756
>>54398734
Yeah, I'm not sure how much of a button-counting "historical" modeler I want to be, I'm mostly just fishing for interesting paint schemes. Besides, I figured no arrangement of mechs is outright impossible, however unlikely, due to capturing or trading in those rare moments of peace.

Speaking of modeling, is there anywhere to get transfers? Because there's no way in hell I can paint those sunbursts.

>>54391898
Thanks!

>>54398827
>Why they chose it for a generic pack I don't know.
These are the same masterminds who put the fucking shogun in, remember

>>54398693
Detected the WoB fanboy. Though I agree as most often truth tends to be somewhere between the two extremes when talking about history.

I just like Fochtsar as religious nutjobs are not the kinda people you want to play big role for so long as Comstar did, again relating real history as in my opinion one of the best thing to happen to Europe was when Catholic Churches power was curtailed in 1500's. Remember all real religion have gone through transformations, especially ones that have been around long time.

It's also that Blake being behind the religious transformation takes away Toyamas agency to shape Comstar to what it was.

>>54398965
>Detected the WoB fanboy.

You mean Comstar fanboy. WoB are just old Comstar. Personally, I feel too much pagespace has been wasted on both Blake and Toyama over the years. It's the First Circuit as a whole who has always been the most interesting from the beginning until Fortress Republic. If Conrad as some doof in a suit in the newer Star League material didn't take the shine off him for you, I don't know why this would.

Being devout isn't being a nutjob either. Actually, it's kinda like Blake said in the new thing. You need the people and the organization to have a mission. Focht was just like "Fuck the clans...I guess...when you get around to it...ah forget it, go follow Victor or something."

>>54398904
Yeah, don't sweat it, my suggestion at >>54398734 was that use the Fedsuns variants on the mechs as pretty much all of the mechs have seen usage in one or more of the Inner Sphere powers.

>>54398827
The reason is that the Alpha Strike is mostly 3050's, not Succession Wars, as the Combat Manuals talk about stuff early Clan Invasion Era.

Anons which side would you be on in the battle of Tukayyid? And what would you do to bring victory to your side?

>>54399258
Comstar and every dirty rotten trick that the real Comstar forces brought to the table. Except more infernos for the V's and Toads.

>>54397947
>ComStar having Royals is entirely fanon.
Really? I was pretty sure I've been given Royals at ComGuard canon tables before. Well, nvm then, guess I'm retarded.

New version of Megamek and MekHQ available from github.
>quadvees in game
>multiple cockpit functionality

Also, LAMs are under development.

>>54399804
multi cockpit? Different from Command Consul? Or the super heavy thing only?

The axeman and ostol with LAC5s are some of my favorite mechs, are there other good mechs with LAC5s, and are there any that aren't good?
Am I a bad person for liking LAC5s?

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>>54400019
Yes you are. Your punishment is to drive one of these.

>>54399447
Atleast MUL doesn't have any Royal variants on their lists and what's even more odd they didn't even have Wyvern-5N, which is Star League model

>>54400153
I just looked that mech up. Wow. That's a harsh punishment.

>>54400153
>>54400215
Playing the Devil's advocate a reasonably tough 7/10 with AP is good at trolling fire support mechs. And the 4K, the PPC variant, is not terrible.

>>54400215
>>54400290
God damn Black Dragons in DA are morons when your light is worse in anything except Speed and armor than the Panther, hell if I was Drac mechwarrior in DA i would go find some old Panther than drive that thing.

>>54399870
applies to
command console
quadvees
tripods
super-heavy mechs

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Yeah, see... about that whole HG thing that may or may not be happening... I might or might not be responsible...

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See, on a whim I decided to repaint the Macross Reseen as their Macross counterparts.

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>>54400966
Funny story, I did it just for fun, to compare what they were like. I didn't think it'd turn up in tragedy.

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>>54400973
There's a chance HG might've seen the recolors of the designs and noticed that copyright was being infringed.

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>>54400984
If I did cause a kerfuffle, than you have my most sincerest regrets and apologies. I just wanted to have fun. I didn't know this would happen.

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>>54400996
At the very least, then the versions of the Dougram Reseen I did didn't cause a squabble, but then, they never did, did they?

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>>54401007
Which is funny, because the Dougram Reseen are a lot closer to their anime counterparts than the Macross ones are, with the exception of the Marauder.

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>>54401019
Case in point.

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>>54401046
Funny story, I'd intended these to be on the level of the Gundam: The Origin designs, since the details match up so well.

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>>54401063
Anyway, that's my testimony. If I'm lucky, I didn't do any damage at all, and HG is just being a stickler. I'm just saying this because they balked at Jetfire before Hasbro beat them, so I might've done some damage. If I did, I'm sorry for shooting myself in the foot and taking you all with me.

>>54400498
Funnily enough, those things probably would be really cruel in that BT online game, what with them being hard to hit due to their small size, armoured like fucking bricks and relatively fast while sporting a fast-firing gun with really good reach.

You can't ignore them, you can't take them out fast enough and if you aren't careful, one of them will stab you in the ass.

>>54399447

>I was pretty sure I've been given Royals at ComGuard canon tables before.

Nope. The Clanbuster Black Knight and King Crab are Royal-quality though.

A lot of people expect ComStar to have had them in their caches and technically speaking it's not beyond the realms of possibility. But in terms of established canon, all known Royals went with Kerensky and were killed off in their early days.

Royals are an idea that sounds good in theory but in practice runs into a shit ton of fluff and old scenario packs saying that only standard models were used. Even the Clans didn't upgrade their old machines to Royal status because reasons, even though they logically should have done that long ago.

>>54401541
Well the old fluff thing is because Royal variants didn't excists back then same thing with Clans and nobody bothered to retcon those.

With Clans it's also worth noting that almost all the clan hardware is better than the SL stuff the Royals had and they did IIC models of most notable mechs so they didn't see the need to use Royals

>>54401095
I think you did a good job.

A century after the return of the SLDF’s descendants, we stand at the threshold of a Clan assault on the core worlds of humanity and the prospect of one of them claiming the mantle of ilClan. Even then, it is unclear whether the christening of an ilClan will bring the perpetual cycles of war to a close or merely ignite another iteration of them.

Republic of the Sphere confirmed BTFO. Should we make an Eternal Terran response for this?

>>54402037

I just don't get why they did the Royal retcon after the War of 3039 tech retcon.

"Oh yes, the Royals had these 'Mechs, but nobody realised they were better than the normal ones EVEN THOUGH THE ROYAL SENTINEL HAD A FUCKING GAUSS RIFLE AND THE NORMAL ONE HAS A U-A/C-5 AND SHIT and then nobody remembered it until now because OH LOOK A DISTRACTION."

And the Clans not upgrading doesn't make sense, since early on they were using SLDF designs and knew how to do the Royal refits, which they could and should have done as time progressed on all their second-line gear.

Royals are a pretty good idea since quite a few of the SLDF machines are fatally flawed. But as reasonably wide-spread designs and considering the Clans? Runs into problems to implement. The concept would have been better handled as a cutting-edge upgrade program for Kerensky's hand-picked favourite commands so there were only a few dozen of each rather than multiple regiments. And even then you'd have to explain why the Clans weren't fielding them.

>>54402212
>the Clans not upgrading doesn't make sense
I figure they upgraded them as needed, and that the upgrade cycle eventually turned them into IICs. So anything you see unupgraded has been sitting in storage or otherwise not worth bothering with yet.

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*UNH TISS UNH TISSES ROBICALLY*

>>54402301

The Clans are still fielding shit like the normal Black Knight even though one of their Khans piloted a Black Knight, the Thug hasn't been upgraded, etc. There are a lot of designs that it doesn't make sense that we haven't seen a IIC for and where those a lacking questions about why the Royal variant didn't are inevitable.

The only real answer to the questions is "Well, they don't have it IC because we came up with the idea of Royals OOC a long time after we said that only the basic models were in use by the Clans and ComStar."

Which is an answer I find a bit irritating, but hey. It's BattleTech, Jake. Forget it.

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>>54401019
>Which is funny, because the Dougram Reseen are a lot closer to their anime counterparts than the Macross ones are

That's an easy one. HG only has the illegally obtained (stolen) Macross license.
They have fuck all to do with Dougram and Sunrise does not give a fuck what you do with their designs of a show they don't even remember existed.

>>54401063
>Gundam: The Origin designs

How is that show, anyway? I've only seen (and came to) the scene where Char fucks up the EFSF. Provided, I've never been into Gundam and only watched the new ones for the most part even if I know how UC works.

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>>54374079

I like to imagine it just spinning as fast as it can 360 degrees and spraying fire in all directions.

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>>54403144
Deploy it.

>>54398380
Whose insignia is that? I swear I've seen the Titty Skeletor before so many times.

>>54403144
>>54403173
It should also be painted bright red, and be equipped with loudspeakers making the killer tomato sound all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2uvp-rNyo

>>54400955
>I might or might not be responsible...
You're not.

>>54401063
>>54401095
Just stop it with the self-congratulating fantasy bullshit. Goddamn embarrassing.

>>54398636
>at least they're space wizards again

best decision ever

>>54403198
>Whose insignia is that? I swear I've seen the Titty Skeletor before so many times.

It's Rolling Thunder. That Jim Holloway painting was the cover of the Rolling Thunder novel.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rolling_Thunder

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>>54404745
Ooh, Regulans. That makes me moist.

Am I blind, or does the latest MekHQ zip from github not actually have...MekHQ in it?

>>54403715
This, please.

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Anyone have more faction pics like this?

Looking for Wolf specifically but any are good.

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>>54401095
>...so I might've done some damage

I was going to complement you on some great coloring, but thankfully you changed my mind. You're a random person who recolored a picture on the internet. You are not special.
Fuck off.

>>54402807
>>Gundam: The Origin designs
>How is that show, anyway?
>I've never been into Gundam...

If we are talking about the original, 0079 Gundam?

The original Gundam, followed by it's sequel Gundam Zeta are arguably some of the best anime shows out there. Gundam does what many of it's follow-up series never could; it has human enemies that you feel bad when they die, has weird 1970s goofy giant robot vibes wile remaining rather realistic, and manages to have kid side-characters (war orphans) who aren't annoying and heartfelt. There are some bumps in the road- and the art is terrible- but goddamn, I still load up episodes every once in awhile.
Zeta is literally all this, times two. Art is fixed, many characters return. Like Playing Republic of The Sphere? The EFSF is litterally that- space Nazi's using the spectre of an enemy long-gone as an excuse to create an army with no oversight, allowed to essentially do what-the-fuck-ever, because the lead-up fluff to Gundam 0079 is terrifying. Shit, that picture of Char saying "I came here to laugh at you"? He forcibly shows humanity that it's single-minded goal of wiping out Zeon has caused the earth to start dying. It's always considered one of the greatest anime's ever made, and it deserves every ounce of praise.

NOW BACK TO THE HPG RAVES

>>54406071
>If we are talking about the original, 0079 Gundam?
Bandai is doing a semi remake of the early UC stuff under Gundam: The Origin. The manga's not bad, except Amuro Ray is no longer a FUCKING LEAF, but from LA.

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>>54405937
I've got a Smoke Jaguar for you.

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>>54406150
And a Marik.

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>>54406183
Samus Aran has never looked more purple.

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>>54406095
>>54406071
Gundam Origin also has a lot of funny "prototype to 0079 suits" mobile suits.

>>54406229
And the Bugu, plus making the Guntank and Guncannon into crapola made years earlier because fuck Kai and Hayato.

>>54406095
>Amuro Ray is no longer a FUCKING LEAF, but from LA
that sounds like a pointless change

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>>54406183
Also a Blakist.

>>54406249
It was done to streamline the plot, basically. White Base lands in California rather than Canada to make the trip to Jaburo not seem as pointless.

>>54406095
Hmm.

>>54406229
> "prototype to 0079 suits"
Awesome!

>>54406265
I uh... huh. I think I can get behind that?

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Did the Starslayer ever get less wonky art than pic related?

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>>54406562
Only thing off the top of my head.

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>>54406982
Anyone else have a bit of soft spot for the Rim Worlds Army?

post RWR stuff

>>54407040
I called down fire from a Stefan Amaris on a RWA regiment that had displeased me and was losing against the 392nd Royal Battlemech Brigade. Does that count? I've been unable to convince my group to let me put enough CASPARs to matter on the table.

>>54406982
Mildly less goofy.

It feels like it's ripe for a better treatment.

>>54402301
A lot of royal mechs never got the IIC treatment, though. Pity.

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>>54407186
>>54406562

The 2nd version Starslayer looks great. The only issue it has ever had is the giant fins on the hips.

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Hey /btg/, got a question for you all.

I'm planning a game set in the Jihad era, and since my friend and I are huge MGS: V fans I started thinking of what kind of 'mech Venom Snake would use. I have a feeling it would have to be some kind of medium for that mix of speed, guns and armor, but I don't know what kind or what guns it would carry. I'm hitting a wall, and i'd love some ideas.
inb4 battlemaster

>>54407703
Snake, 45 tons, you can always strip the weapons and have some fun with it.
Either that or Uziel, Nova / Blackhawk, Ryoken / Stormcrow, maybe a 55 standard like Kintaro, Shad, Grif or Wolverine. IDK, there's a lot you can do.
Do you need heavy speed? Are clan units off the table?

>>54407655
>that pose
Somehow I'd forgotten the Starslayer strut.

>>54407829
>Snake, 45 tons
comedy gold

>Either that...
Hm, Uziel kinda fits with it's original, fuck-conventional forces loadout. Shad, Grif and Wolverine also fit just due to a large spread of guns to mimic all his tools in Phantom Pain.
>Do you need heavy speed?
I'm gonna say yes, just for tactical re-positioning.
>Are clan units off the table?
I WANT to say yes, but being the man who sold the inner sphere I could see him having some for his own ride. Stormcrow would fit tthe bill, but it seems so cheesy sometimes.

Either way, I'm feeling it will need TAG, some amount of jump jets/supercharger as an "oh shit" tool, LRMs/MMLs for a big range of ammo types, and some kind of LBX cannon for anti-conventional and anti-air. Does that seem like an "okay" idea?

>>54407998
He pimpin'

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Guys, when did the IS develop levitation technology and why haven't I heard of it?

>>54407655
>look great

Anon, the cockpit either only has space for the pilot's head or the whole mech is +300 tons.

>>54408986
3058 is the second version, muchacho.

>>54408720
The torso also counts for hover technology. +1 to hit torso sections.
>It's not a bug, it's a feature!

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>>54408986
Cockpits were never really even remotely logical in BTech, anon.

They ran with the Dougram aesthetic/style for them, but also took in mechs with the traditional protected cockpit, cameras only mechs from Macross and made those tiny camera lenses as the new cockpits.
And really, no one ever gave a fuck about just how big these things would need to be.
Shimmering Sword or FlyingDebris, neither they nor any other artists engaged with Battletech ATM really give a fuck about it.

Just look at how MW:O handles "cockpits".
The white ones are game sized, the Evangelion-sized giant in the middle is how big the mech would have to be to fit the in-game cockpit which simply floats in your center of mass when you're playing the game.

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>>54407040
Googly.

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Googly!

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GOOGLY!!!

>The Davy Crockett-M meanwhile can be launched via Arrow IV or Long Tom and, while heavier than normal rounds at one ton each, behave exactly as their normal munitions do.

Wait what? What are the stats?

>>54409884
JHS:3070, along with all the other nukes and unfriendly warcrimes.

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>>54409884
What >>54409922 said, though they're also in Interstellar Operations. You can fire them as standard rounds with all the travel time implied. Just be prepared to fuck up literally everything within 20-25 hexes from the blast alone, followed by the secondary nuclear effects killing mechs in surrounding 10 to 15. Pic very much related. My Nuclear Naga has well over 150 kills because AtB gave me 2 weeks of almost nothing but Base Attacks. Don't forget, you can also mount them on your ASF's wings for maximum fuck you.

Does anyone have any additions to the second to the last pastebin? Anything for nubes, anything?

>>54409884
Hella stupid, this is. A Davy Crockett round weighs in around 35 kg. But that's just BT and its specific type of ammo stupidity.

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>>54409760
>>54409787
>>54409816

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googly

>>54410433
Could you picture how many you'd be stuffing on a mech had it any way shape or form been close to real life?
There's warcrimes then there's
oh shit nigger what are you doing
using rough math, you'd have 28 nukes per ton.
That's well past the line of oh shit nigger what are you doing.

>>54409262
Yes, I too was complaining about there being no space for cockpits on certain variants of these designs.

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>>54410433
>>54410655

We can use Battletech math, similar to the way it works in O.G.R.E. What if you had the means, say by some kind of 31st-century ECM, to cause the typical Davy Crockett round to detonate in its launcher once it moves within range of your device?

So, then, the guys with the DK rounds invent some kind of baffle... which works until the round passes about 90m from the launcher, *then* it detonates.

So, back to the drawing board... we can install a smaller version of the baffle on the round itself, but this dramatically increase its size and mass.

Then the opponent comes up with a *different* way of making this work, or causing the round to fizzle out when exposed to some other stimulus, like an X-ray laser.

So the weapons developers build a *new* round - bigger, heavier, but immune to both the detonator trick *and* the X-ray laser trick...

... and so on, and so on... until your round is a giant 1-ton chunk immune to 16 different types of ECM and ECCM and can survive being shot at by all 12 of the leading manufacturer's anti-missile systems.

>>54410655
Yeah, sounds more reasonable to me. Nuke LRM20. It should exist, for certain.

I mean, what kind of bullshit 31st century are we at when our weaponry is weaker than in the 1950's? But then again, we can't help some things, such as table size crunching weapon ranges down to infantry close combat levels.

New thread

Some minor updates in the OP

>>54410906

>>54400955

Wait. WHAT HG thing is it this time? Is CGL getting sued again?

>>54366683
you talking about the mech designs or is there a board game that battletech copies?